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legsdiamond
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"Anyone cancelling Netflix over Cuties? "


          

I’m not but I definitely find it odd how many people are posting clips of the movie on social media to protest the movie.

It’s not a good look at all.

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The trailer doesn't make the movie look as bad as that netflix poster
Sep 11th 2020
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nah but they wildin for that shit
Sep 11th 2020
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Saw the trailer to see what all the fuss was
Sep 11th 2020
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It's got a 1.7 score on IMDB lmao
Sep 11th 2020
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Netflix ruined any chance this film had
Sep 11th 2020
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Have you seen any of the dance clips from the movie?
Sep 11th 2020
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      The thing is, it's just as weird and gross as real life
Sep 11th 2020
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      I saw one clip where the crowd is initially cheering then disgusted
Sep 11th 2020
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           This country is psychologically injured by having a mirror shown on it
Sep 11th 2020
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                Nah.. I didn’t see clips with a crowd
Sep 11th 2020
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                     RE: Nah.. I didn’t see clips with a crowd
Sep 11th 2020
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                          Right? Lemme show all the sexual clips on FB
Sep 11th 2020
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what weirdo signed off on that movie poster??????
Sep 11th 2020
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Someone that knows that America is a perverted nation wrt children
Sep 11th 2020
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      RE: Someone that knows that America is a perverted nation wrt children
Sep 11th 2020
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      Yes. There are some sketchy dance shows as well
Sep 11th 2020
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           Because Netflix and Hollywood is "Liberal" and TLC isn't
Sep 11th 2020
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There were two HUGELY different posters for the film. *links*
Sep 11th 2020
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Here’s the thing tho... the American poster actually depicts the image...
Sep 11th 2020
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      It seems the central premise is that left to their own devices kids will
Sep 11th 2020
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      both images are from the film lmao how is it false?
Sep 11th 2020
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           You know why..
Sep 11th 2020
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Is this a QAnon thing?
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No. This was a FB stream thing I witnessed first hand.
Sep 11th 2020
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      shorter: yes.
Sep 12th 2020
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There was a notorious show in the UK in the 80's called Minipops
Sep 11th 2020
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I saw this on the bird app and ignored it. I'm not sure how to 'researc...
Sep 11th 2020
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Answers:
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It's a movie about the dangers of sexualizing children.
Sep 11th 2020
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I haven't seen it either but this is what I was gathering, too.
Sep 11th 2020
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It's part of a proud tradition of blind outrage over cinema.
Sep 11th 2020
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      Lmao.. so the women I grew up with are under a Qanon spell?
Sep 12th 2020
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           No, but they may fall under one of these two umbrellas:
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           yes.
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           its really alarming how quick some people can turn.
Sep 12th 2020
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                everybody wants to be the plug
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           Alotta OKP doesn't respect voices who disagree with them.
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                I definitely peeped this game
Sep 13th 2020
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                LOL. it might explain something if everyone you know is gullible too
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                Word
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                     except literally no one has said the problem is who "agrees" with who
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                          Bruh, you're on record doing this ya damn liar
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                               thanks for linking those posts so anyone can see that you're a liar
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                                    Thanks for lying and denying what's in plain sight.
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                                         I have never denied that you're insecure and mostly illiterate
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                the authentic rape investigators
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                     Got anything other than trolling, hit-dogging, and bringing up rape?
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                          you mean, discussing facts?
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                               I mean the lies you always resort to when challenged.
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                                    nope
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                                         Got anything other than more trolling and projection?
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                                              quick, try saying I said you agreed with someone
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I mean just at a glance i assumed that was the approach
Sep 11th 2020
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      Seems like it. And that being the case I'm glad Netflix is standing by i...
Sep 11th 2020
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MORONS do
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well its making folks uncomfortable, which is good thing
Sep 11th 2020
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if you see a trend pushed by jackj posobiec
Sep 12th 2020
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^^^
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Aba and Preach provided the most sensible commentary on it imo
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Thanks
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      You're welcome even tho I disagree with them lol
Sep 12th 2020
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           What part did you disagree with?
Sep 12th 2020
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                I should say I had problems with it that they didn't have.
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Ok, so I watched it and.... uh
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im indifferent about it.
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its a particularly sensitive subject at the worst possible time.
Sep 12th 2020
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Except you haven't heard about this
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      you aint gotta tell me fam.
Sep 12th 2020
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Watched it
Sep 13th 2020
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fuck no. Fuck that QAnon bullshit
Sep 13th 2020
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Trump admin violated anti-trafficking laws expelling 8.8K kids at border
Sep 13th 2020
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Tulsi is a motherfuckin joke and this is exactly why
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      there's so many ways to see tulsi is a weirdo
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Nah, it's just a movie
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RE: Nah, it's just a movie
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      RE: some Kellz type shit.
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           so you guys have gone from judging whether women were raped
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           Troll harder
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           What?
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                Huh?
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thought it was a good little movie.
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did their directors face death threats from suburban moms?
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"all"
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      they got debated by a few movie critics or whatever
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people also complained about Sia's Elastic Heart Video
Sep 15th 2020
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Saw it yesterday
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MEAT
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1. "The trailer doesn't make the movie look as bad as that netflix poster"
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Like ... at all

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2. "nah but they wildin for that shit"
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3. "Saw the trailer to see what all the fuss was "
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People mad about this Are gonna be in for a shock if they ever go on IG

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4. "It's got a 1.7 score on IMDB lmao"
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Never seen that low of a score before

  

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5. "Netflix ruined any chance this film had"
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The trailer clearly explains what the fuck the movie is about and Netflix blew it with one poster. It's despicable.

  

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11. "Have you seen any of the dance clips from the movie? "
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I’ve seen 2 people post clips and they were awful.

The poster was terrible but the actual clip of the movie I seen on FB was even worse.


My friend deleted it but I’m not sure how she thought reposting that clip was a good idea.

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14. "The thing is, it's just as weird and gross as real life"
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And the reactions from the crowd in the movie are disgusted.
While this is an entire celebrated and cheered culture in real life.
I'm not saying it's right. I'm asking how are folks gonna come after fiction but not real life.

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16. "I saw one clip where the crowd is initially cheering then disgusted"
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Dance culture is very very real. From a very young age. Cheer too.

Years ago I remember seeing a grown man gawk at some of the dancers at a Clark Atlanta game. Like his jaw was dropped. Yes the young ladies were college aged, but that shit happens EVERYWHERE.

  

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18. "This country is psychologically injured by having a mirror shown on it"
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Dance culture isn't wrong! It's the Hollywood elites that are putting this image out there!!

Meanwhile in less than 10 seconds trying to find the clip legs was talking about, I came across a video from 2017, with younger girls, and smaller outfits, and the same name as the movie.

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20. "Nah.. I didn’t see clips with a crowd"
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it was their first time practicing the new moves and of course it’s a Black girl teaching them..

spamming but cheeks.. jumping the floor.

Nah b, even if the message at the end is that you shouldn’t do it, showing those clips on FB to get people to not watch it seems like a bad idea.

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21. "RE: Nah.. I didn’t see clips with a crowd"
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>Nah b, even if the message at the end is that you shouldn’t
>do it, showing those clips on FB to get people to not watch it
>seems like a bad idea.


That's the internet, unfortunately.
People know that it gets THEM attention AND they get to wave their moral bonafides.

Jay Smooth said it best
https://twitter.com/jsmooth995/status/996799108525514753?s=20

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22. "Right? Lemme show all the sexual clips on FB"
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Fri Sep-11-20 10:42 AM by legsdiamond

          

in order to tell people they shouldn’t watch it

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6. "what weirdo signed off on that movie poster??????"
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7. "Someone that knows that America is a perverted nation wrt children"
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Wild how people are LIVID at Netflix but Toddlers and Tiaras ran for seven years.

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8. "RE: Someone that knows that America is a perverted nation wrt children"
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>Wild how people are LIVID at Netflix but Toddlers and Tiaras
>ran for seven years.



never heard of that one.. but i stopped watching cable tv years ago.. it all seems like trash to me..


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9. "Yes. There are some sketchy dance shows as well"
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and I’m sure there was some uproar when it first stared but people move on to the next topic fast these days.

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10. "Because Netflix and Hollywood is "Liberal" and TLC isn't"
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12. "There were two HUGELY different posters for the film. *links*"
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The original promo:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Cuties_poster.jpg


The Netflix promo:

https://assets.change.org/photos/8/xu/uh/NdxUuHUEFqbdEIW-800x450-noPad.jpg?1597885273

Netflix knew exactly what they were doing. They apologized for the revamped poster and they also personally spoke with Maïmouna Doucouré -- the director and writer of the film and apologized to her.

It blows my mind how they didn't see this coming.

The fucked up thought about all of this is -- had there been no outrage over it, Netflix would've kept running that poster in its promos, as is.

  

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13. "Here’s the thing tho... the American poster actually depicts the image..."
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in the movie

I’m not defending Netflix but the first poster makes it look like an innocent cute movie.

but if the clips I saw were from the movie.. smh.

Nah yo.. that first poster was false advertisement.

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15. "It seems the central premise is that left to their own devices kids will"
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Replicate what they can find. And that by denying the kids the opportunity to learn dance and find dance ... they'll mimic shit from adults.


"Premiering at Sundance after which it travels to Berlin’s Generation section in advance of a French theatrical release and Netflix global outing, Cuties will certainly garner mainstream media attention, but it’s the streaming service, and its giant young audience, which should propel Doucoure’s debut into the YA hit zone of 13 Reasons Why or The End of the F***ing World.

Underscoring that this is her target audience, Doucoure moves the film along furiously and brightly, painting the scenario in broad, teen-friendly, neon-accented brushstrokes. It’s also scored with an eye to the zeitgeist – heavy on Ygress, and with tracks including ‘My Bitches Are Comin’. Adult supervision is conveniently negligible at home or at school; this is a film for and about kids, and Senegalese immigrant Amy (or Aminata), played impressively by Fathia Youssouf Abdillahi throughout, is chief amongst them.

Amy’s home life is troubled: her family is deeply religious and she is consistently admonished to be pious and cover her head when outside the family’s new home, which is a giant public housing block in Paris mostly inhabited by her fellow countrymen. She awaits the return of her father from Senegal but, when he does come back, it will be with his new second wife – a fact which Amy’s depressed and mostly-absent mother Mariam (Maïmouna Gueye) initially hides. Amy must go to school while looking after her two younger brothers (which she often does by locking one in the bathroom). There, she is drawn to a bitchy girl gang who have a dance group called The Cuties. And, as it turns out, she will stop at nothing to gain their acceptance.

Doucoure’s screenplay requires Amy’s behaviour to escalate radically (and often hysterically) in the absence of any real-world consequence. She steals a phone from a family friend and money from her distracted mother; her brother floods the bathroom; she goes to school wearing a tank top and PVC trousers and has screeching fights with rival gangs. Yet nobody in this close-knit community raises an alarm. In short, she’s acting out in some style, and pretty soon she wins a place in the Cuties troop despite her “flat ass”.

We then move to outrageous musical montages involving close-up crotch shots of pouting pre-teens. Doucoure seems to want to provoke censure, but fails precisely because she’s trying so hard. Ultimately, that’s the fate that also befalls Amy as she learns the perils of the internet and the limits of the selfie.

All four Cuties members give excellent performances, both in their routines and as convincing members of a fairly oppressive demographic – the pre-teen girl gang. It’s Abdillahi who is outstanding, however, moving between child and young adult with an ease that mirrors the real-life confusion of that age. Doucoure captures her, and pre-adolescence, at a moment in time which young audiences will recognise and respond to. Most viewers – and parents in particular – will find some truth in at least parts of Cuties. Ultimately, though, Doucoure has chosen her own girl gang, and they’re the ones who will most benefit from this cautionary tale when it moves to streaming."

https://web.archive.org/web/20200124065122/https://www.screendaily.com/reviews/cuties-sundance-review/5146293.article

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17. "both images are from the film lmao how is it false?"
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why am I even engaging you

  

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19. "You know why.. "
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no call me some fucked up name and k.i.m.

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23. "Is this a QAnon thing?"
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34. "No. This was a FB stream thing I witnessed first hand. "
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2 Black women I grew up with streamed clips of the movie while telling people not to watch it...

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36. "shorter: yes."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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24. "There was a notorious show in the UK in the 80's called Minipops"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minipops#:~:text=Minipops%20was%20a%20television%20series,music%20hits%20and%20older%20classics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywbsStZ-hAQ&ab_channel=bravejordy

  

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25. "I saw this on the bird app and ignored it. I'm not sure how to 'researc..."
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They called it pedophilia, which I'm guessing is massive hyperbole, but either way I'm not trying to investigate by watching clips. If its as bad as they say then extra no thanks. But really, I'm just trying to sit this one out. I mean, I was never going to watch this movie anyway.

Was it bad enough for anyone on here to actually cancel Netflix? Or is it more like - hey they might have done too much in this film, but not crazy wrong? Or is this just crazy Q people who are uncomfortable with their levels of attraction to children and massively projecting?

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27. "Answers: "
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>Was it bad enough for anyone on here to actually cancel
>Netflix?

No.

Or is it more like - hey they might have done too
>much in this film, but not crazy wrong?

People may feel uncomfortable about some of the depiction here, which is valid-- and is of course the point of the movie, and the movie makes that explicit. People also have the right to not watch the movie and not like that people are trying to confront in a movie this thing that's actually happening in the world that real girls have to deal with. People have strong opinions about art they haven't seen all the time online. (Which, to be fair, includes me on this! But I also am friends with multiple critics who *have* actually seen it, and I trust them over the hordes of people who watched a 30 second out-of-context clip that some Q guy uploaded.)

Or is this just crazy
>Q people who are uncomfortable with their levels of attraction
>to children and massively projecting?

Bingo. That and, like, Tucker Carlson people make up 98+% of this.

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26. "It's a movie about the dangers of sexualizing children."
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Every critic I know who saw it said it's a terrific film that explicitly criticizes the sexualization of children. It's designed to make people feel uncomfortable, because this is a real thing in the lives of young girls, and people should be confronted with this reality.

Netflix just fucked up with its marketing and now it's all over QAnon's radar, so it's getting trolled into oblivion, which really sucks, considering none of those people saw the film except for maybe a couple of scenes completely devoid of context. Anyone who thinks it's mere pedo bait just... hasn't seen the movie.

Also ironic that the vast majority of people trolling it are supporters of a president who's actually been charged with raping a 13-year-old girl. And, as you said, those people are so freely showing clips of the movie they insist is pro-pedophilia. But you can't reason with any of those people.

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28. "I haven't seen it either but this is what I was gathering, too."
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I read this after seeing this post:

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/cuties-netflix-poster-hypersexualisation-controversy-mignonnes-watch-why-trailer-release-date-b405032.html

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30. "It's part of a proud tradition of blind outrage over cinema."
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Here's a tweet that I just saw from another critic friend of mine who's definitely more of a right-wing guy:

"Having now watched CUTIES, I can say that the horrified descriptions of what goes on in the film that I've seen floating around are completely misleading, disingenuous, and intentionally inflammatory."

Like, nearly every critic who's seen this thinks this is the case. So either you think all of the film critics of the world are agents of a nefarious pro-pedophilia cabal... or you need to take a deep breath and realize the outrage is being generated by bad actors.

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38. "Lmao.. so the women I grew up with are under a Qanon spell? "
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everything isn’t driven by some online conspiracy.

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44. "No, but they may fall under one of these two umbrellas:"
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"So either you think all of the film critics of the world are agents of a nefarious pro-pedophilia cabal... or you need to take a deep breath and realize the outrage is being generated by bad actors."

I think most reasonable people, if they read what reasonable people had to say, would realize that the people generating the outrage are bad actors. It's fine to be upset by what Netflix did with the publicity-- they obviously fucked up. But the people who are extending it to say this movie, which is anti-sexualization of young women, is pro-sexualization of young women, based on out-of-context clips and/or what the Ted Cruzes of the world have to say? I think they need to take a deep breath, yeah.

Also, to address your original post, if they think it's actual pedophilia, then why in the *world* would they be sharing clips of it? lol

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50. "yes."
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I recall like...a month ago when I said remaining friends with gullible people and scammers is going to put weird shit in your feed.


q anon doesn't always call itself q anon.

and anyone who cares about the safety of kids isn't in the group of people pretending to be mad about this movie.

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51. "its really alarming how quick some people can turn."
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this chick i follow on ig went from posting pics/vids from nightclubs and vacations and constantly trashing donald trump as racist (was talking about wanting someone to kill him during the george floyd protests)...to posting about tom hanks and ellen being involved in pizzagate...to just straight up adrenochrome and donald trump saving children/america/christianity/earth.

the crazy thing about these people is that they feel the need to repost ALL this shit. like they dont just read it and believe it and move on. theres this cultural impulse among them to continuously pass the information on.

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52. "everybody wants to be the plug"
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it's taken the last ten years to get my mom to not believe stuff she reads online and i shudder to think what she might be into if things had gone differently

...and even she's still obssessed with tracking and posting information about random recalls. it's a mostly harmless thing, but there are a ton of spam pages and whatnot that come into play, and it's also just like...it's not for a reason

but everyone needs to feel like an information source

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53. "Alotta OKP doesn't respect voices who disagree with them."
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It's gotten progressively worse too. Even the response directly under you is saying maybe those women either A) don't trust critics or B) bought into manufactured outrage. There's no C option that says they're intelligent people who simply see this differently than he does. It's as if they sincerely believe that's impossible.
If you disagree with a Black woman they agree with, you'll be accused of hating Black women.
Oh, but since THEY'RE disagreeing with Black women, those Black women are just gullible or not allowing themselves to be led by the right voices. That sounds pretty misogyn(oir)istic actually.
Anyway, some of these people are incapable of legit dialogue and a productive exchange of ideas.

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54. "I definitely peeped this game"
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Also notice how they will use a twitter handle as their fuel. “Imagine anyone agreeing with what @jojodevhater says”

Who the fuck live life like that?

So and so on twitter said it so anyone who also holds the same beliefs must be a gullible soul because lord knows kids dancing sexually with close up shots of their private parts isn’t something anyone should have an issue with.. cause Dance Moms right? Huh?

Like it’s impossible for Black women to not want to see kids sexualized on film. They are gullible and unable to use their own brains to decide what’s appropriate to them.

It’s definitely dismissive to the Black women I know but we already know how these people get down. so invested in the us vs them they are literally defending seeing kids do sexual shit on screen just because the “other side” doesn’t like it.

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57. "LOL. it might explain something if everyone you know is gullible too"
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if you can't figure out a scam being run by the least competent people in the world you should really give up.

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59. "Word"
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>Also notice how they will use a twitter handle as their fuel.
>“Imagine anyone agreeing with what @jojodevhater says”
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>Who the fuck live life like that?


People who are incapable of intelligent free thought. They need a template. Just remind them that they agree with Umar Johnson about ADOS. That always makes them find another angle other than who agrees with who.


>So and so on twitter said it so anyone who also holds the same
>beliefs must be a gullible soul because lord knows kids
>dancing sexually with close up shots of their private parts
>isn’t something anyone should have an issue with.. cause
>Dance Moms right? Huh?
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>Like it’s impossible for Black women to not want to see kids
>sexualized on film. They are gullible and unable to use their
>own brains to decide what’s appropriate to them.
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>It’s definitely dismissive to the Black women I know but we
>already know how these people get down. so invested in the us
>vs them they are literally defending seeing kids do sexual
>shit on screen just because the “other side” doesn’t
>like it.
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100%. It really does boil down to their position being anything that opposes certain people rather than certain principles. They become easily maneuverable pawns in their opposition's game.

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62. "except literally no one has said the problem is who "agrees" with who"
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except you

it's something you made up.


and then you whine about your made up shit.

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65. "Bruh, you're on record doing this ya damn liar"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13341577&mesg_id=13341577&listing_type=search#13398787

That's just one of MANY examples.

Oh wait, here's another where you accuse me of agreeing with someone I've never even heard of.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13389308&mesg_id=13389308&listing_type=search#13389318

That's a 2 for 1, because you're accusing a Black woman of being a grifter solely because you disagree with her politics. That's only relevant because you JUST accused me of trying to shut down Black women I disagree with. That's something YOU do. I actually engage and listen to people while you're just a liar who actually does try to shut down people you disagree with.

Both these examples are happened last month, so you can't even say I'm pulling up something old.

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68. "thanks for linking those posts so anyone can see that you're a liar"
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I called a person a grifter because they're a grifter, not based on whether or not I "agree" with them

and it's obviously evident that the problem with ADOS isn't that ann coulter "agrees" with it, which isn't what I said, or why I said it was shit.

but you're a liar, so you don't have anything else.

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72. "Thanks for lying and denying what's in plain sight."
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75. "I have never denied that you're insecure and mostly illiterate"
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55. "the authentic rape investigators"
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are now the protectors of women's voices.

weird, I don't remember anyone appointing you to any of those positions


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60. "Got anything other than trolling, hit-dogging, and bringing up rape?"
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63. "you mean, discussing facts?"
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thanks for asking though, I'd like to point out how once again you rely on darvo.

Even though the only thing you do is attempt to shut down the voices of black women who disagree with you, you immediately rely on the language of social justice in an attempt to say that you actually are uplifting the voices of black women


that this only occurs when they're backing the scams you like to promote goes unsaid.

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64. "I mean the lies you always resort to when challenged."
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I don't accuse ppl of hating Black women for disagreeing with them.
That's your ilk on here who does that.
Calling yall out for lacking the mental capacity and fortitude to listen and understand nuanced conversation makes me your villain. DARVO is yall's game.
Anyone trying to have legit discussion gets hit with the kind of trolling you're doing now, or namecalling, or some other weirdness.

I've defended many voices, Black women and otherwise. You've always been too busy trying to silence me for disagreeing with you to notice. You conduct yourself like a child. Emotional and unhinged.

Now sit your trolling ass down somewhere, boy.

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69. "nope"
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you attack any woman who makes you feel like what you are


and you only pretend to support women who pander to what you wish you were.


it's a simple pattern and no one has ever been fooled by you.

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71. "Got anything other than more trolling and projection?"
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76. "quick, try saying I said you agreed with someone"
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no one's ever cared or read your replies before and they won't now either

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31. "I mean just at a glance i assumed that was the approach"
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even though the poster is cringy i didn't for a second think it was some kind of pro creeplife movie.

but that's the world we live in. outrage first, ask questions never.

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33. "Seems like it. And that being the case I'm glad Netflix is standing by i..."
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29. "MORONS do"
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Welcome to moronville.

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32. "well its making folks uncomfortable, which is good thing"
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I was Big Sister to a couple prepubescent lil girls 5 years ago, and I'll never forget when one of them said

"my man better have some bread to break me off or he aint gonna go past this green light"

green light= sex

she was only 11 years old, and her "man" was 13.

now you got really young girls competing with grown women. take a look at Granville Avenue in Detroit.

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35. "if you see a trend pushed by jackj posobiec"
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then you know it's a scam and not a real thing.

this isn't hard.

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45. "^^^"
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37. "Aba and Preach provided the most sensible commentary on it imo"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psJwJRpJMes

For anyone wanting to hear from someone who actually watched it and also agreed that the marketing was terrible.

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39. "Thanks"
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42. "You're welcome even tho I disagree with them lol"
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43. "What part did you disagree with? "
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49. "I should say I had problems with it that they didn't have."
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There are parts of what they said that I agree with, but the parts I disagree with are prevalent in reply #40.

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40. "Ok, so I watched it and.... uh"
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I thought this was a documentary about children in dance culture. I hadn't seen any clips or anything.

While Aba and Preach are sensible guys, I disagree with their take quite a bit.

I get the idea that they wanted to show how dance culture is too much for little girls, but I felt a documentary would've been better. The thing that really fucks me up about this is the close ups of these little girls as they were dancing... I mean all in their crotches and stuff... man wtf was that all about? I really dgaf about people arguing that it's "supposed to be uncomfortable" because that message could be conveyed without those shots. It still would've been uncomfortable. Those shots were gratuitous for no reason. They really sexualized these child actors and put the camera all in their lil hind parts to prove a point? That doesn't sit well with me.
Other than that, the story was... ok I can't even say the story was very good. Far more complicated than I've heard anyone say, for sure, but Idk if I'd say it's good. The girls were annoyingly mean, but maybe that's normal? Idk man. The way the lead character turned into a complete villain so suddenly can easily come across as conservative propaganda like "THIS is what dance culture will do to your children!" The way they're sexualized is bad enough. Sure, there were other things going on in Amy's life, watching her mom struggle with polygamy, for instance, that could've contributed to her acting out, but her jump was still quite drastic imo. This movie could really be just as much a critique against polygamy and the "virtuous female" idea as it could against dance culture. This could all have a bit to do with the way it's being framed tho. Overall, there's a lot going on, and I don't think it's just about dance culture at all. I didn't need to see this, but maybe someone does.

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41. "im indifferent about it. "
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from what i read its supposed to be shocking and "against" sexualizing children. Looks like the satire is not working. i feel sorry for the woman that directed it and the child actresses.

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46. "its a particularly sensitive subject at the worst possible time."
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theres no way youre getting any nuanced discussion on this in the qanon era.

child trafficking/porn/etc is the last moral refuge of conservatives because theyve been shown to be completely immoral in literally every other area. this is like the only arena they can appeal to a broad swath of the majority of americans so you know they gonna hammer this shit hard.

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47. "Except you haven't heard about this"
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From two days ago
https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/local/courts/2020/09/09/metuchen-diocese-two-new-priest-sex-abuse-lawsuits-filed/5759003002/
(2 new sex abuse suits filed against Metuchen Diocese include clerics not accused before)

Or this from four days ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/07/us/bishop-duluth-minnesota-sexual-abuse.html

(Bishop-Elect Resigns After Being Accused of Sexually Abusing a Minor)

Or this from two weeks ago
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/25/church-youth-leader-indicted-89-counts-child-sex-abuse/3428399001/

(Dover-area church youth leader indicted on 89-counts of child sex abuse)


It's 100% manufactured outrage.
I don't think it's a touchy subject at all. I think it's a cudgel to use against "liberal institutions" that's ignored when it's people on "their side"


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48. "you aint gotta tell me fam."
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>It's 100% manufactured outrage.
>I don't think it's a touchy subject at all. I think it's a
>cudgel to use against "liberal institutions" that's ignored
>when it's people on "their side"

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56. "Watched it "
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Kinda reminds me of another movie called The Fits

Also reminds me of the movie Thirteen.

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58. "fuck no. Fuck that QAnon bullshit"
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1) you always have the option to not watch
2) if you do watch, you will see that it is a critique OF the sexualization of children, albeit one rife with problems in its presentation
3) Netflix were assholes for changing the visual marketing from what the poster originally was (more reflective of the film)

fuck QAnon and their bullshit moral panic.

  

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61. "Trump admin violated anti-trafficking laws expelling 8.8K kids at border"
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using the pandemic as an excuse. Yes, the same pandemic that is not a reason to provide American's financial support or nationwide testing or any kind of actual plan for addressing the pandemic.

It is used as cause to violate anti-trafficking laws moving children from hotel to hotel w/ no accountability and then dropping unaccompanied minors from Central/South America off at the Mexican border to be preyed on.

https://twitter.com/jacobsoboroff/status/1304828058591952898?s=20

It's almost like Tulsi Gabbard clutching pearls and potential Supreme Court Nominee Ted Cruz mounting a preposterous legal challenge to the film are designed to distract from the administration's consistent violation of trafficking laws.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/about-8800-unaccompanied-children-are-expelled-at-us-border/2020/09/11/04452e1a-f48d-11ea-8025-5d3489768ac8_story.html


A District court judge ordered them to stop moving children around in motels/hotels for violating anti-trafficking laws earlier this month:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-rules-migrant-children-held-in-hotels-have-protections-dealing-blow-to-shadow-detention-system/


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66. "Tulsi is a motherfuckin joke and this is exactly why"
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I don't need to see bipartisanship as it has been sold in the U.S.

  

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70. "there's so many ways to see tulsi is a weirdo"
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and yet....

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67. "Nah, it's just a movie"
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Maybe it's because I don't see little girls as sexual beings, but I don't find anything about this movie arousing or suggestive. These are dance girls doing dance moves; I'm not entirely sure that I'd be anything more than viscerally shocked but morally ambivalent if two really talented 13 year olds wanted to recreate the dances from Dirty Dancing.


I'm also naturally curious how this movie would've come off if it were about young male dancers, particularly since other countries that have healthier relationships with their sexualities had no problem with these young women performing these moves and America has such a specific psychological profile when it comes to images of women no matter their age.


Netflix really should've just kept the original promotional material and probably have not even changed the name from French to really drill home that this is an independent "arthouse" film from a Somalian Black woman rooted in her own experiences as an immigrant child that Netflix bought the rights to and not some Netflix original about twerking Black children.


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73. "RE: Nah, it's just a movie"
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>Maybe it's because I don't see little girls as sexual beings,
>but I don't find anything about this movie arousing or
>suggestive. These are dance girls doing dance moves; I'm not
>entirely sure that I'd be anything more than viscerally
>shocked but morally ambivalent if two really talented 13 year
>olds wanted to recreate the dances from Dirty Dancing.
>


Lmao. This some Kellz type shit.


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74. "RE: some Kellz type shit."
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For real

Dude even went as far as to point out he's not aroused and to suggest that everyone who takes issue with sexualized depictions of children is "aroused" by little girls. The fact he even tried that angle here is highly suspect on his own part.

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77. "so you guys have gone from judging whether women were raped"
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to the point where you're actually fantasizing about what arouses other men



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78. "Troll harder"
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79. "What?"
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>For real
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>Dude even went as far as to point out he's not aroused and to
>suggest that everyone who takes issue with sexualized
>depictions of children is "aroused" by little girls. The fact
>he even tried that angle here is highly suspect on his own
>part.


I didn't say that. I didn't even mention sexual arousal, just arousal in general. But even if I did, nowhere in my post did I say that anyone offended by this is only offended because they're defending something repressed about themselves!

If you can point to where I said otherwise please do because I've re-read my post five times and I said three things:

1. I see a movie about girls who like to dance doing modern dance moves.

2. I wondered if this movie depicted young boys doing the same thing if there would be the same reaction.

3. I explained that I wonder that because other countries are not having this visceral reaction to this film, whereas this country's struggles with the depictions of the female body in general predisposes us to sexualizing these dances.


Again, if you read into any of that that I think anyone who dislikes this movie is a sexual deviant, enjoy that ball of yarn you've got. I don't see it and I certainly didn't intend to say anything like that.


Having seen the movie now and not just the trailer, am I comfortable with how some of these scenes were filmed? No, of course not. But given the pedigree of the director and the overall tone of the film, I'm struggling to see how the point of view of the camera in this film isn't a criticism of the point of view of whoever's looking through that lens in the audience, which is a unique power of movies. I still think it's silly to think you should "cancel" a film distribution service for supporting a provocative art film for and about marginalized people who could possibly benefit from seeing this story and these characters on screen.

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80. "Huh?"
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>I didn't say that. I didn't even mention sexual arousal, just
>arousal in general. But even if I did, nowhere in my post did
>I say that anyone offended by this is only offended because
>they're defending something repressed about themselves!


Given the sentence you wrote, this is an odd denial. What would it be arousing or suggesting when the full sentence reads: "Maybe it's because I don't see little girls as sexual beings, but I don't find anything about this movie arousing or suggestive." ??
It's not like I'm just guessing you meant sexual. You used the word to preface your use of both arousing and suggestive.
Maybe you've seen people saying the movie is inappropriate because they're sexually aroused tho. I haven't. Not even those judging from clips.


If you're gonna deny how the writing of your sentence comes across, fine. Your 3rd point below does say that you think it's simply about this country's struggle with the female body. That's the closest thing to a pass I can find here, despite the weirdly superior tone of the the initial sentence.


>1. I see a movie about girls who like to dance doing modern
>dance moves.



I see a movie about so much more than that. To the point that I'm not even sure if the dancing is the true "culprit" in the move, so to speak.



>2. I wondered if this movie depicted young boys doing the same
>thing if there would be the same reaction.



I'd see it the same way. Many people would, but overall, probably not... especially if they were Black boys, sadly.



>3. I explained that I wonder that because other countries are
>not having this visceral reaction to this film, whereas this
>country's struggles with the depictions of the female body in
>general predisposes us to sexualizing these dances.



Multiple points here. In the movie, I recall Amy's aunt saying that when she was Amy's age, she was taken to her husband. So maybe in some other countries, the difference is actually that they already sexualize young girls. The visceral reaction we see here is because we don't and parts of the movie with dancing scenes is shot like a music video where grown women are being blatantly sexualized (close-ups of hind parts and crotches, etc) which is just extremely weird and unnecessary imo. The message here would 100% still be conveyed without that.




>Again, if you read into any of that that I think anyone who
>dislikes this movie is a sexual deviant, enjoy that ball of
>yarn you've got. I don't see it and I certainly didn't intend
>to say anything like that.


Alright


>Having seen the movie now and not just the trailer, am I
>comfortable with how some of these scenes were filmed? No, of
>course not. But given the pedigree of the director and the
>overall tone of the film, I'm struggling to see how the point
>of view of the camera in this film isn't a criticism of the
>point of view of whoever's looking through that lens in the
>audience, which is a unique power of movies.



So if people feel the movie is shot inappropriately, then that should be a criticism of the viewer and not the person responsible for shooting the movie? Is that what you're saying?
I'm asking this because the camera generally shows you where someone is looking. For instance, there's a shot in "A Time To Kill" before the man rapes the little girl and there's a close-up of her from the behind, which shows us that that's where the man is looking. That isn't a criticism of the viewer. That's expressly about the director telling us something about a character. What do you feel the director of Cuties is telling us with the same types of shots of little girls done gratuitously?


>I still think
>it's silly to think you should "cancel" a film distribution
>service for supporting a provocative art film for and about
>marginalized people who could possibly benefit from seeing
>this story and these characters on screen.


Which marginalized people are you referring to, and how could they benefit from seeing this movie?



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81. "thought it was a good little movie."
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Was already mentioned in here but reminded me a little bit of Thirteen, except thriteen was more from a 'parent's nightmare' point of view of a young mom trying to be buddies with her kid. This is entirely from a young girl's viewpoint navigating between an ultra conservative home life, and and ultra sexualized world, trying to fit in

There are absolutely some scenes that made me uncomfortable. I didn't see them as gratuitous or exploitative (Larry Clark type shit), but I'd argue that the movie doesn't work as well without them. A lot of it just reminded me of 6th and 7th grade when things abruptly went from playing with Star Wars toys to everyone suddenly talking about sex and not really understanding most of it.

I also wouldn't chalk up all the controversy to Qanon shit. Thriteen was controversial when it came out. So was KIDS. We just didn't have social media

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82. "did their directors face death threats from suburban moms?"
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84. "they got debated by a few movie critics or whatever"
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this ain't that.

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85. "people also complained about Sia's Elastic Heart Video"
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/sia-apologizes-for-controversial-elastic-heart-video-with-shia-labeouf-62021/

The QAnon stuff is people posting about Netflix being a liberal or leftie company and asking why Susan Rice and the Obama's are not doing anything about it. Stuff like this: https://twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1304083923518074883?s=20

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86. "Saw it yesterday"
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The big dance scene near the end is very uncomfortable to sit through but I'm guessing that was the entire point?

To put it in your face and make you actually look at it and face up to it and wrestle with your own disgust.

  

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