Don’t attack the messenger

Just wondering if these protest and the whites who are inciting a lot of the destruction are going to cost us the election.

Ionno.. something seems a little off about the timing of this shit.

These bigots really are trying to make this Biden’s America even tho Trump is still in office.

What are your thoughts?

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MY take is that we collectively and vocally bow out, rebrand and re-approach....because these protests are no longer ours....they're something else entirely....

live and in person, i saw the 'black lives matter' protesters and was
shocked. if that's what it really is, we're never going to be able
to get out of that.

>MY take is that we collectively and vocally bow out, rebrand
>and re-approach....because these protests are no longer
>ours....they're something else entirely....

He left things up to the states. He can pull out the old "states rights!" card. Could say he left it up to the states to handle their issues, because sending in federal troops would have been overstepping. Can point out that the states & cities with the biggest problems are all run by Democrats.

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2. We need to stop allowing the oppressor to frame the way we express ourselves..we shouldn't use their language to describe OUR experiences...not even in quotations

3. they value property and we value our lives, therefore the destruction of their property is a valid response to the destruction of our lives.

4. the dictator will use any and everything we do or don't do to his advantage. therefore, no Black person should spend an ounce of precious energy, that we need for survival, trying to outhink evil forces that have us outgunned. vote them out is our only play

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>3. they value property and we value our lives, therefore the
>destruction of their property is a valid response to the
>destruction of our lives.

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>3. they value property and we value our lives, therefore the
>destruction of their property is a valid response to the
>destruction of our lives.



sole proprietors even. Not the sgt of your local precinct.

if there is any business loss that is not the fault of the business owner, insurance will cover it.

that business owner should also be a part of the fight against white supremacy & police terrorism lest their property becomes collateral damage.

again, my Black life is worth more than any piece of property.

the fact that you're so concerned about the property, in everything i wrote, is telling.

d

And wins elections

... is that (a) insurance companies will find some excuse(s) to deny claims, and/or will run out of money and literally be unable to pay (the smaller ones, obviously not the national behemoths).

Then you're at the mercy of the state as a businessowner as far as accessing/getting any kind of money. Which is never guaranteed.

I want to be clear that I'm only offering some context to the situations that many small businessowners may find themselves trying to navigate, depending on which state they reside/operate in, etc. I am 100% on the side of protesters fucking burning it all down in response to these ongoing racist atrocities.

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>... is that (a) insurance companies will find some excuse(s)
>to deny claims, and/or will run out of money and literally be
>unable to pay (the smaller ones, obviously not the national
>behemoths).

>Then you're at the mercy of the state as a businessowner as
>far as accessing/getting any kind of money. Which is never
>guaranteed.

greedy capitalism is a dirty game and when you play in the sandbox, you will eventually get sand on you.

This is why the entire system needs to be dismantled. The insurance industry is completely corrupt. It is not designed to do what those of us who purchase it expect it to do. It's designed for one purpose: to not pay claims and for the company owners to enrich themselves.

Therefore, the eventual outcome is always that we will not be made whole from insurance. i pay for car insurance because its required in order for me to own a car. I know for a fact that that will never work out in my favor. Cuz if i have an accident or any loss, my insurance payments will increase as a result.

And who are the people likely the pay the most insurance premiums (hint: car insurance premiums are paritally based on your zipcode and your credit score)? Black people.

>I want to be clear that I'm only offering some context to the
>situations that many small businessowners may find themselves
>trying to navigate, depending on which state they
>reside/operate in, etc. I am 100% on the side of protesters
>fucking burning it all down in response to these ongoing
>racist atrocities.

I totally get where you're coming from...that's why i took the time to write what i wrote just now...

but we are all connected in this system, cuz even amongst "small business owners", they don't have equal access to the tools & mechanisms to stay in business, because systemic racism. So even their interests aren't always converging. white business owners can get access to lines of credit and other loan instruments that Black ones rarely do (see: the recent debacle with Paycheck Protection Program loans)

again, the whole system has to fall and be rebuilt from a place of equity. people selfishly holding on to what they think is theirs won't help.

d

If that's what you're saying I agree with you wholeheartedly.

My only point was that in the short term, I have some level of empathy for folks who put their entire lives into small businesses, who may have lost their businesses over the course of the last few months in the protests, and who will ultimately get fucked by the insurance industry and be left with nothing as well.

Again I want to be clear, my empathy referenced above is in a vacuum - I support the protests a trillion percent. The loss of property means less than nothing to me relative to how passionate I am about the human suffering that results from systemic racism and police brutality.

But being that I care about human suffering, that compassion also extends, on some level, to folks who are losing their entire livelihoods through no fault of their own and who will ultimately end up getting fucked by the insurance industry as well.

All that said, your point is well taken that if you play in the sandbox, you get sand on you. But we're all forced to play that game. So again I'm just saying I save some sympathy for those who are otherwise good people who will end up losing everything in the course of all of this.

But if that's what it takes to dismantle the system, I'm with you. I guess we're all gonna have to experience a lot of discomfort in the process.


>>... is that (a) insurance companies will find some
>excuse(s)
>>to deny claims, and/or will run out of money and literally
>be
>>unable to pay (the smaller ones, obviously not the national
>>behemoths).
>
>>Then you're at the mercy of the state as a businessowner as
>>far as accessing/getting any kind of money. Which is never
>>guaranteed.
>
>greedy capitalism is a dirty game and when you play in the
>sandbox, you will eventually get sand on you.
>
>This is why the entire system needs to be dismantled. The
>insurance industry is completely corrupt. It is not designed
>to do what those of us who purchase it expect it to do. It's
>designed for one purpose: to not pay claims and for the
>company owners to enrich themselves.
>
>Therefore, the eventual outcome is always that we will not be
>made whole from insurance. i pay for car insurance because
>its required in order for me to own a car. I know for a fact
>that that will never work out in my favor. Cuz if i have an
>accident or any loss, my insurance payments will increase as a
>result.
>
>And who are the people likely the pay the most insurance
>premiums (hint: car insurance premiums are paritally based on
>your zipcode and your credit score)? Black people.
>
>>I want to be clear that I'm only offering some context to
>the
>>situations that many small businessowners may find
>themselves
>>trying to navigate, depending on which state they
>>reside/operate in, etc. I am 100% on the side of protesters
>>fucking burning it all down in response to these ongoing
>>racist atrocities.
>
>I totally get where you're coming from...that's why i took the
>time to write what i wrote just now...
>
>but we are all connected in this system, cuz even amongst
>"small business owners", they don't have equal access to the
>tools & mechanisms to stay in business, because systemic
>racism. So even their interests aren't always converging.
>white business owners can get access to lines of credit and
>other loan instruments that Black ones rarely do (see: the
>recent debacle with Paycheck Protection Program loans)
>
>again, the whole system has to fall and be rebuilt from a
>place of equity. people selfishly holding on to what they
>think is theirs won't help.
>
>d
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and yes, absolutely, i have compassion for all those that are suffering or will suffer in the short term when/if we're able to dismantle capitalism

but let's not forget that a failed business or business loss is not the end of the world. Pre Covid, people's businesses failed all the time..that's the inherent risk of opening a business. that doesn't mean that business owner is ruined forever

many people have had a business, it failed they opened another one, that failed they took a break for a few years and opened another one etc etc

no one is entitled to a successful business, or a successful career etc etc. But what we SHOULD be entitled to is a universal basic income so no one has to worry about starving to death should their job or business disappear.

>RE: absolutely. everyone will lose something..there's no escaping that
>and yes, absolutely, i have compassion for all those that are
>suffering or will suffer in the short term when/if we're able
>to dismantle capitalism
>
>but let's not forget that a failed business or business loss
>is not the end of the world. Pre Covid, people's businesses
>failed all the time..that's the inherent risk of opening a
>business. that doesn't mean that business owner is ruined
>forever
>
>many people have had a business, it failed they opened another
>one, that failed they took a break for a few years and opened
>another one etc etc
>
>no one is entitled to a successful business, or a successful
>career etc etc. But what we SHOULD be entitled to is a
>universal basic income so no one has to worry about starving
>to death should their job or business disappear.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I thought he was dead in the water with the Covid stuff.

But this issue is tailor made for him. He can appeal to fear. Racial resentment. Law and order. Don't need to use MS-13 anymore or caravans.

Trump's initial reaction hurt him. The image of violently shutting it down with force. He's better off letting stuff fester and just doing his right wing commentator act

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and im sure some white 'undecideds' will use it as a socially acceptable excuse to come back into the trump fold.

its still surreal to see a candidate effectively campaigning against himself.

'america under my watch is a terrifying place. elect me again to fix it'.

he essentially ran on that same speech at the 2016 rnc and things have gotten dramatically worse under his presidency.

https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/1299101680970149895


i think things play out like they usually play out with a lot of these republican attack strategies. trump is so overexposed that it gets hammered to death and it eventually just loses its punch pretty quickly.

covid and unemployment are still gonna be here all throughout september and october. will these 'riots'?

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things that actually affect peoples lives and potentially lead to them dying.

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to fuck up their medications, small business shipments, etc.

Enough of them bought that Hillary's emails were a menace.

I'd think no - but then again, GOOBERS.

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The more they will think this is what “defund the police” looks like under Biden.

It shouldn’t be this easy but Americans crave this type of imagery to justify their bigotry.

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They were getting ready to switch up. They were thinking they can't continue to exist without expanding their demographic reach.

Then Trump came through and showed that that was bs. He showed it's possible for Republicans to keep on with largely just white men. And he showed them how to do it


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>It shouldn’t be this easy but Americans crave this type of
>imagery to justify their bigotry.

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I still think there are a bunch of Trump voters who aren’t saying shit but will show up religiously to vote for him.

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and anti-democratic redistricting in 2010 and beyond.

plus a conservative supreme court gutting the voting rights act.

trump didnt show the republican party they could win with largely white men.

the republican party showed itself they could win by suppressing the vote of everyone but largely white men.

that preceded trump. trump didnt precede that.

dems would have regained full control of congress in 2012 if it wasnt for repub gerrymandering that took place during the redmap initiative after 2010.

those gerrymandered maps also led to statehouse majorities and state court majorities for republicans to institute *waves* of voter suppression measures that systematically targeted dem constituencies.

thats about as much responsible for trump as trump is.

>RE: youre forgetting the intentional massive voter suppression
>and anti-democratic redistricting in 2010 and beyond.
>
>plus a conservative supreme court gutting the voting rights
>act.
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>trump didnt show the republican party they could win with
>largely white men.
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>the republican party showed itself they could win by
>suppressing the vote of everyone but largely white men.
>
>that preceded trump. trump didnt precede that.
>
>dems would have regained full control of congress in 2012 if
>it wasnt for repub gerrymandering that took place during the
>redmap initiative after 2010.
>
>those gerrymandered maps also led to statehouse majorities and
>state court majorities for republicans to institute *waves* of
>voter suppression measures that systematically targeted dem
>constituencies.
>
>thats about as much responsible for trump as trump is.

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All the stuff you mentioned has been in place and Republicans still struggle. They were getting to the point where all that isn't enough and they needed to expand their outreach. Rubio and Jeb were the wave of the future

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immediately after the 2010 elections. a wildly successful midterms that he was largely responsible for.

one dominated by the racist tea party wave.

safe to say that post 2012 autopsy didnt last long lol (the author sally bradshaw said the party basically ignored it). they knew the key to their electoral survival was being racist and just flat out cheating. not relying on democracy and attempting to appeal to a growing diverse electorate.

2016 was the first presidential election in its wake

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what im saying is the autopsy was window dressing to enchant the media (like good conscience republican office holders privately concerned/troubled by trump).

it like how we get media reports of the koch brothers sitting out the election or being at war with trump. then all of a sudden the trump administration is packed with koch lobbyists and operatives and aggressively pursuing the exact koch deregulation gameplan.

the 2014 midterms revealed their real election strategy (continuing what happened in 2010).

it was based on white evangelical and tea party grievance (again) and anti democratic measures from koch/alec/federalist bill mills.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

that trump would win the popular vote.

no discussion of him doing anything during his 1st term that would win over the majority of americans.

its basically about whether he can do just enough to exploit an anti-democratic anti-non-white electoral system to squeeze out enough states to hand over the highest office in the land to the 2nd place finisher.

when people talk about all the tension and unrest in this country...they should start by talking about how deeply unpopular politicians can be elected and pass unpopular policies that are completely opposite of the will of the majority of the people.

while they're sitting and eating food is always a good look. Or how about marching through the suburbs and shining bright lights into people's homes -- even if they stand with you.


I just pray the general public is not as tapped in to these clips as some of news junkies are.




this is layup line warm up shit for your favorite conservative talk show, podcast, radio whatever the fuck



everyday is a new low for the fringies on the left

its hard to know whats real and whats not nowadays...but a lot of this behavior just seems weird.

white black lives matter protestors just randomly marching through affluent dc neighborhoods and shouting down other white folks at diners?

iono fam.

because we definitely saw that at the height of hte Floyd protests.


Agitators dressing the part in all black but are really there to undermine the movement. The BLM crowd was actually really good at calling these folks out and in some cases literally handing them over to cops. I saw one video of a kid trying to break up sidewalk concrete with a hammer. And true BLM folks swooped in and picked him up LOL. Handed him over to nearby cops



Definitely can't rule out the possibility that you have those elements in the crowds too. I also think many of them are just well-intentioned but misguided kids.

during the george floyd protests...there were viral clips of the protestors speaking to journalists and live tv interviews and so on.

these new 'protestors' dont seem to get any camera time, no viral clips of them telling their feelings, no clips of them giving their perspective/grievances on their own social media, etc.

shit...most of the clips we see (including the kenosha shooter) are coming from right wing recorders and being amplified/circulated by right wing social media folks like andy ngo.

it just seems like a perfect brew of protestors being present enough to have a narrative about them framed...but not present enough to have their own actual voice/identity.

Though from what I’ve seen there elements within the protest that would attack journalists if they didn’t have security.


Still. You’re right. They should be out there interviewing them

it's trash

some of them were shouting and holding up signs that made absolutely no
sense and they were able to mix in with the real BLM group. in dc they
have abnormally large police escorts, the most visible that i have
ever seen.

the george floyd protest organization was everywhere. i saw actual people on social media posting details nshit. these other shits only pop up on viral clips that trump supporters wanna use against them.

this incident was 4th of july at the national mall so,
there were a lot of different people out and a lot of
commotion because they were marching up. people were curious,
confused, scared, and opposing groups started to form.

it seems like they thrive off of chaos/confusion.

the police escort stuff is definitely planned, coordinated, and made
to be a spectacle, which is the point.

I don’t think a lot of these people rioting are allies.

A lot of these people are angry white kids or double agents.

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>I don’t think a lot of these people rioting are allies.
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>A lot of these people are angry white kids or double agents.


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It just seems like a LOT of coordination for the blame to Be placed squarely on the proud boys and stuff

Is it possible? Of course.


But I prefer the simpler explanation. These are Mostly well intentioned, but misguided leftist college aged kids

Now of the optics are fair. Its no longer about the why people are protesting, it now about the who. That narrative only help Trump. I just don't understand an independent who isn't racist seeing what happening and going, yeah Biden's America.

�If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

for these (we assume) lefties that prolly dont even fuck with him personally or politically.

meanwhile trump doesnt have to answer for his literal supporters that have been shooting and killing people.

Trump Campaign ads literally showing other countries' riots and passing them as ours. Its ridiculous.

I'm convinced the venn diagram for Trump supporters is 5 categories.

1 - Religious Zealots
2 - Racist
3 - Rich and Greedy
4 - 2nd Amendment gun nuts
5 - Uneducated

I'm Probably wrong and over over simplifying it, but I just can't understand them.

�If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

to a t.

those are the groups they surgically target with their brand of identity politics. from the racist southern strategy, to championing anti-abortion judges (when anti-segregation judges lost electoral appeal), to anti-intellectualism/'elitism', to white evangelicals (who remain 25% of the electorate even as their general population falls), to 'small government' folks (aka cut taxes for the rich and stop paying for shit that helps poor people), etc.

republicans have historically/intentionally assembled the exact coalition of groups you just listed. its been thinktanked and focusgrouped to be exactly that.

knew that shit would start to happen too as the protests continue and get worse

I want to see Biden's national lead at at least 6 points. Anything between 4 and 6 points I"m nervous. If it gets under 4 points Trump wins.

we will see.

i hope we get at least one more big trump bombshell or fuckup closer to the election (or at least around most early voting periods) that send public opinion (and poll numbers) away from him at the point when votes are being cast.

the issue set thats fresh on voters mind needs to be as trump-negative as possible.

the media already seems to be fading away from coronavirus, school closings, etc. and another 1 million people filed for unemployment and it barely made a blip.

these post-convention polls are gonna say a lot about whether bricks need to be shit or not.

on broadcast tv (doesnt include cable news).
https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1299386072464580614

and night 3 was an absolute disaster.
https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1299092980444409856

also its not being talked about a lot...but a disproportionately huge segment of the rnc viewership comes from fox news...who is getting record ratings for a cable news channel while overall ratings are much lower than the dnc.

so a lot of the messaging from the rnc is just attracting/hitting their base they already have in tow. those mainstream voters that arent super engaged with politics dont seem to be all that intrigued.

edit: broadcast+cable news ratings in
https://twitter.com/mulvihill79/status/1299387206767792128

trump down significantly to biden.

trump lying like usual lol.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1299345147294109697

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