Pharrell & Jay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTOoY5MIkvM

Cool video


Alicia & Khalid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDCXT7C7lnk

Also a cool video
Nice song too

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I can't call it, fam. There's a lot he's doing there with his spacing that I find questionable as well. Sounds like he forced himself to put these words to melody imo.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I appreciate the message, but... yeah.
I enjoyed watching the video tho.

Might be the first Alicia song to make the playlist in a while.

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Beat is hard AF, Jigga smokes it. Pharell? Comes in w/ some off brand singing and changing up the whole feel of the track w/ some weird synths that clash and shit.

You hate to see it.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

but shit, that whole thing was a bammed up mess.

Pharrell and his people's don't have no quality control to run this by?

just didn't even sound in tune.

*it being his falsetto. this song sucks.

and some of it really is

it's the other stuff that is the issue.

he can't really tell the difference

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

This dude has been making heat for over 2 decades, thats like 20 times as long as *most* producers on a roll. How does he not recognize his own duds? I know he knows «Grindin» was that shit, how he ends up releasing stuff like this and the Deadmau5 song etc etc when you know he still has other heat on his HD.... I dont get it



>and some of it really is
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

idk what's real though

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

without Chad

I think the issue is he sometimes marries these styles that he gets hung up on and he makes dozens and dozens of tracks in that vein.

This is one of those tracks. With that said the main issue here is his vocals and not the production, really

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song is pretty dope though. Khalid been killing it with the collaborations




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This is Republican rap

Jay Z has been a one trick pony over the last couple of years. We get it, you like money, and making black people feel like they can make money.

The video looks like a college project. Maybe people just sent in their videos?

I get the intention but it seems patronizing for small local business owners.

I think the Entrepreneur song would be a great series on Apple Music or something. Each week steps on starting, sustaining a business. Something felt incomplete about the video and song.

JayZ and Bey are officially preachy auntie and uncles.

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
Heart & Mind

My favorite song right now

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I like Pharrell but this isn't it..

he could have made it a posse (I'm dating myself) song and had everybody on there...


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I thought it was pretty good visually.

Can’t even celebrate Black entrepreneurs without getting shitted on? Damn

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I know that’s her steez but damn.. I thought the visuals were the best part.

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lol

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and you know i've heard THOUSANDS of them, literally.

the discussion of this song on the Joe Budden Podcast was HILARIOUS.

I mean, if you're looking for good music about black entrepreneurship.

I can really see his growth from All Gold or whatever that track was called but the industry has kind of assumed he was a one trick pony

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music is something he just does for the love and fun.

he's grown a ton. and to be fair, he actually has a lot of projects out now, but i don't think any of them are great. that said, you're likely to find a joint or two or three if you listen to any particular one.

but yeah, music listeners pretty much wrote him off after his initial success.

You believe Parrell messed up the song and it's the worst song but

this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtMLE2J01e4

is a good song. wow

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song about Black entrepreneurs.

Nice beat but I wasn’t inspired to be a Black owner based off that video.

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but i said "songs."

okay.

or entrepreneur

I don’t either one inspired Black entrepreneurship on song alone.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

i was merely pointing out a better song (IMO) on the same topic.

one thing i will say is: i don't know what pharrell and jigga do on a day to day basis in that realm, but i do know trinidad uses his platform almost daily to support (with his dollar and his influence) black owned businesses.

also, if you're you're looking for a black owned business to support in an arena that most people don't think of, check out Ride Frsh.

for $5 a month plus shipping, they offer a car air freshener subscription service and for that $5 you get two different air fresheners a month (that are the typical "hang from the mirror type"). the product is pretty good and it's only $5.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

it's weird

when you're an artist at high levels of recognition, it seems people think they own your process and should be able to tell you whats good or not good

to a point, sure, the consumers are allowed to hold their opinions

but at the same time, artists bring new ideas to people who didnt know they even liked or knew the new ideas

making art is a vulnerable process - to get to the stuff you love you sometimes have to go through some shit you don't exactly love. "process" being the keyword here.

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it's also the artist's responsibility to experiment on their own time and present a polished version of their experiments as official releases. Earlier career Prince is a great example of this. He has the bootlegs and unheard tracks, but his official releases were legit. If people don't wanna hear your noodling, you can't blame them for that.

It's definitely a process, but the first song you spit out is often part of that process. Let it marinate. Cultivate it. Refine it. THEN share it.

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its more useful to an artist for listeners to be completely honest with their reaction than to disingenuously act like they enjoy that particular work of art.

i think jay and pharrell can handle it lol.

just cuz we criticize the way someone performs on the field doesnt mean we devalue or disappreciate all the work (process) they went through in the off season.

plus most people are saying they like the video but dont like the song. which shows they have some discernible ability to appreciate creative work and arent just hating across the board.

is uh....kinda my part as the audience?


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thing 1: "I don't like the whispering and falsetto"

vs.

thing 2: "what was he thinking when it came to the falsetto and whispering? why did he think that was a good idea?"

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you can do #2 all you want.

it would be overboard to go into his studio and delete all recordings of him using a falsetto

but saying wtf was he thinking is having a response to the music which is what music is meant to cause.

it's the whole point of the thing.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

The second you put something out for public consumption, you don't get to coddle your baby anymore.

I like these joints personally, but check it:

Jay and P have a ridiculous slew of classic, beloved, well-regard material under their belts, and some of that was accomplished together.

They both occupy rarefied artistic air to the degree that both can make a real case for GOAT within their respective fields.

They got the accolades, the praise, the fan worship, the classics, the videos, the plaques, and catalogs most artists would kill to achieve.

So this isn't some lil ol mc get bizzy grinding his heart out for the world to take a collective shit on.

These are two top-tier legends with enviable catalogs.

Everyone isn't going to like it. As P said on So Ambitious... Oh Well.

It Be's That Way, Sometimes, (c) Joe Simon.

Even MC Get Bizzy would have to take his lumps, but these two? What can anyone say about anything they put out, that has any real impact on their craft or their livelihood?

Criticism is part of the game, but they're about as teflon as it gets.

>The second you put something out for public consumption, you
>don't get to coddle your baby anymore.
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>I like these joints personally, but check it:
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>Jay and P have a ridiculous slew of classic, beloved,
>well-regard material under their belts, and some of that was
>accomplished together.
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>They both occupy rarefied artistic air to the degree that both
>can make a real case for GOAT within their respective fields.
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>They got the accolades, the praise, the fan worship, the
>classics, the videos, the plaques, and catalogs most artists
>would kill to achieve.
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>So this isn't some lil ol mc get bizzy grinding his heart out
>for the world to take a collective shit on.
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>These are two top-tier legends with enviable catalogs.
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>Everyone isn't going to like it. As P said on So Ambitious...
>Oh Well.
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>It Be's That Way, Sometimes, (c) Joe Simon.
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>Even MC Get Bizzy would have to take his lumps, but these two?
>What can anyone say about anything they put out, that has any
>real impact on their craft or their livelihood?
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>Criticism is part of the game, but they're about as teflon as
>it gets.


I think I'm just not feeling the sense the responses here are giving these dudes space to work things out.

Maybe I'm reading too much into things.

Maybe I see things differently.

Kanye for me is a good example, I did not 100% like his Yeezus era stuff but I figured it was progression, which turned out to be true since his work around Pablo, Daytonam, KIDS and Nasir were all really interesting ..but then his work after that point has been meh.

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Were they reacting to an early leak of a rough cut, I'd be able to see that take.

But this is the released product, with a video and all. This is what it is, so what is it that needs to be worked out?

AB and I send beats to each other all the time, and we'll nitpick all kinds of shit, because we're working out our ideas.

He's sent beats that are pretty much perfect as-is.... except that he didn't make good enough use of the stereo field, or some shit. I've sent countless sketches.

That's a process. That's working things out.

But if I put up a sketch on itunes, record a video, etc, that's the released product. There's nothing to work out. The time and space needed for that process has passed, and it's now been made available for public consumption.

That said, i get it if you think the criticism is to harsh, or doesn't seem proportionate to the quality of the track, etc. I think it's a dope song personally, and don't get the criticism at all. I can see, say, the critique that there's not much nuance put into the criticism of the song.

But I have a hard time with the idea that two all time greats aren't being given sufficient space to work out a finished product. That may also be semantic, and how I'm interpreting your thoughts may not be in line with what you intended to say.