and is likely headed to Congress:

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/12/901628541/qanon-supporter-who-made-bigoted-videos-wins-ga-primary-likely-heading-to-congre

I know we haven't had the pleasure to really break down the QAnon lunacy here (and I really didn't want to) - but now that these cultists are running candidates for Congress - we should talk about it. Also, this QAnon cult is more widespread than you might think - pulling in not just traditional Conservatives but also gunning for the (un)conscious community and the self-identified "Woke" community - and Trump is (literally) banking on them giving him a boost in November:

https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/products/woke-hat

Look: we have our difference here as we've made abundantly clear - but I hope we can all rally in unison to thwart this absolute lunacy coming from the far-right - which unfortunately is no longer just a fringe movement.

What's the strategy of countering this? Because it ain't just some boogaloo boys buying into this - but even your local yogis are spreading this non-sense as of late.

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one of the things repubs instinctively do is take the most 'extreme' liberals/dems and paint them as the embodiment of the entire group.

but repubs have real extreme folks among them and dems dont really capitalize.

trump called her a future party star (even tho repubs tried to publicly distance themselves from her while not losing the base that supports her). dems should hold him/her to that and show the american people where the republican party is headed.

Trump this very moment is peddling the "Biden and Harris are radical lefties" non-sense (even though he invested in Harris as a candidate lol) - but by all objective standards this administration is the most extremist, radical regime imaginable - but the Dems don't capitalize on that politically.

They should be jumping on this immediately and calling it out.

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First off, these people are nuttier than a fruitcake.

Second, have any of the things that "Q" predicted come to pass?

Is the QAnon group the source of most of the crazy conspiracy theories that are floating around (Pizzagate and the false flags at Sandy Hook, the Deep State conspiracy, etc.)? Or do they have their own separate stuff?

I just saw someone on Facebook screaming that Kamala isn't eligible to be president and that this was a conspiracy for leftists to continue getting adrenachrome. This was the 1st I had heard of the adrenachrome thing and I looked it up. Again, these people are crazy.

An entire world collapsing conspiracy because white people at large don’t have any idea how basic they are.

“Nobody talks about pizza that much it HAS the mean something subversive” meanwhile the discourse around tacos, donuts, bacon, ipas, and sour beers for the last decade says otherwise.

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>Second, have any of the things that "Q" predicted come to pass?

See, that's the thing: when things don't happen (like Obama or HRC or George Soros getting arrested), they'll say that it really did happen and the government is just keeping it secret for now with to plans to reveal everything at a later date.

> Is the QAnon group the source of most of the crazy conspiracy
>theories that are floating around (Pizzagate and the false
>flags at Sandy Hook, the Deep State conspiracy, etc.)? Or do
>they have their own separate stuff?

The QAnon and Deep State stuff is related. Sort of Pizzagate too. But it seems like QAnon took Pizzagate and ran with it to even nuttier extremes.

From my limited knowledge of it, most of the "mythology" seems built around a throwaway line Drumf said during a meaningless photo op back in '17/'18. He was doing some pointless free-association yammering (like he always does) and some bozo from 4Chan ran with it and started this whole stupid movement.

I recommend listening to the June 7, 2018 episode of the "Reply All" podcast. They breakdown in about half an hour the basics of it and where things stood as about two years ago.

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"Is the QAnon group the source of most of the crazy conspiracy theories that are floating around (Pizzagate and the false flags at Sandy Hook, the Deep State conspiracy, etc.)? Or do they have their own separate stuff?"

there are a lot of Q groups.

and the thing that makes it go, is that it pretty much lets you attach whatever conspiracy theory you want to it.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

how fucking mind bending it is

that the same place that birthed Q is the same place that birthed the hacktivist group Anonymous which has done interesting shit through the years like direct involvement with Occupy Wallstreet, leaking personal info of 1000 klan members, taking an interest in nationally recognized shootings of unarmed black men

BUT - this is also the same Anonymous that caped hard for Julian Assange who now may or may not assisted Trump n' Russia with the whole election business in 2016 (I'm not sure what to think about Assange, I don't know if hes a baddie or a good guy because I'm ignorant)

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QAnon may be crazy, dangerous nonsense but it instrumentalizes a sentiment that isn't crazy at all:

The rich and powerful people who govern this country, every single one of them, would harm us and our families in the cruelest way possible out of as little as sheer whimsy. It's usually money, but whimsy is also a factor. The liberal institutions that were built to support the stability of all Americans have now been re-directed to protect the wealthy and to bind the poor.

There is no durable solution to this problem as long as we're guided by a constitution that elevates the bourgeoisie and tethers us to serve them. The United States depends on that structure for its existence, and so there is no form where it can continue to exist and still serve people in a way that will heal people's faith in liberal institutions. This was broken way before Trump, but he shined a light on it and so he gets to be its avatar. In any event, it doesn't matter who's fault it is now that it's done. You don't just defeat fascists in elections, something a bit more thorough is needed to address the issue.

In addition to being crazy, I think QAnon is such an impotent answer to this problem because even though it's politics are fascist, its aims are really kind of tepid and liberal. Thinking that prominent Democratic politicians are running an enormous, pretty public child abuse/murder/trafficking ring is pretty standard conspiracy theory stuff. Thinking that the charisma and will of Donald Trump (with some help from, uh, JFK Jr.) is going to fix it by brazenly arresting these prominent and influential figures is the genuinely weird part. And the end they're pursuing is just the restoration of trust in American institutions. No empire that lasts a thousand years or a grand new title for Trump. Just the justice system arresting the correct bad guys. Incredibly lame. They can't even do fascism properly.

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>The rich and powerful people who govern this country, every
>single one of them, would harm us and our families in the
>cruelest way possible out of as little as sheer whimsy. It's
>usually money, but whimsy is also a factor. The liberal
>institutions that were built to support the stability of all
>Americans have now been re-directed to protect the wealthy and
>to bind the poor.

Quite a fair assessment here of the degradation and overhaul of our institutional integrity in favor of an oligarchic power grab and consolidation at the top. Really should be clear as day at this point.

Re: QAnon. I think it's a brilliant psy-ops that is exploiting the empathy (and ignorance) of a large swath of the public. You pull them in with the human trafficking stimuli and paint this narrative that Trump is the Knight in shining armor coming to save the day (even though the facts show us that Trump has done even less than previous administrations to combat human trafficking). But to Q - Trump is "undercover" - which is why he was on Epstein island cavorting with Epstein/Maxwell for decades. And there's no convincing them otherwise (even though there's zero facts to substantiate the outlandish claims).

Trump is many things - but dumb ain't one of them. He (and his campaign arm) understand the American psyche and know how to exploit America's most vulnerable/gullible and in some instances outright racist population segments -- and there's a lot more of those Americans than many previously surmised.


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just won a primary in FL - with Roger Stone in tow:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200818/right-wing-laura-loomer-with-roger-stone-in-tow-wins-house-primary

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Isn't she banned from like everything? Like she can't even order Ubereats or Doordash?


I feel like they're already ramping up in case their clueless leader doesn't win again. It feels like the Tea Party play and how that was the first crack in letting these nutballs in.


I mean what happens after Joe if he wins? What's the strategy? Who does the left or progressives push as the next person to lead? That's the question I always had if Bernie would've won? What happens after Bern, to stop these QAnon, Alt-Right, and just terrible repubs from running rampant.

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Devin Nunes is a qanon

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

I've said it before but I think...I THINK there is some psychological shit at play among the zillion other layers for the reasons why people get into Q.


Essentially, I am willing to bet a crisp hundo that

IF

you were to make a venn diagram

with q supporters on one side

and

adult survivors of childhood trauma, adult children, sexual abuse and trauma survivors, those from fractured families, those suffering from abandonment issues

I theorize...the overlap would be significant.


They have such a crazy deep obsession with saving children from general exploitation and sexual abuse that it's a theme that is mirrored in what seems like everything they talk about. Trump - come save the country from marxist globalist elites from being exploited.

All of it is rooted in a position of viewing the self as being helpless prey for institutions to pull one over on everybody - which is hella ironic since Q and conservatism go hand in hand and a major conservative tenet is a deep believe in those almighty bootstraps.









I do get it - at a core level of one of many reasons why it spread. The world is becoming complicated. The operation of the world can now only be explained by abstract concepts and levers so we have to trust experts to explain the world to us - it takes more work to think for yourself, answers are not always easily obtainable, you can't just go to yourself for the answer so what do you do? You just end up trusting nothing and being suspicious of everything and everyone.

Black people being upset about inequality in American life, protesting, creating BLM is not a cut and dry, cause and effect equation.

To the modern mistrustful skeptic, this cause and effect equation does not fit their framing. No. To them, BLM is instead an unnaturally "movement" "created" to disrupt American life, destroy the American nuclear family and kill white people.




I was really laughing at these people too until I found out a church popped up where they combine Q teaching and christianity. That shit...there is too much synergy there to think of it as benign.












UGH.

I don't think we were ready for the internet. I blame our money brains for not being ready for this. This has all been like giving a type a personality a gigantic bag of crack and a pipe and saying "You know what to do. Turbo mode"



E: ALSO, fuck these fools, I've run into Q folk, flat earther types and they never come off with the researched facts. They will always say "nah bruh, you sleeping, you gotta do your research. LOOK IT UP MAN"

like...that's not how you get people into things Robert.

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>E: ALSO, fuck these fools, I've run into Q folk, flat earther
>types and they never come off with the researched facts. They
>will always say "nah bruh, you sleeping, you gotta do your
>research. LOOK IT UP MAN"
>
>like...that's not how you get people into things Robert.

Like to a T, he's saying those exact words. "Gotta do your own research that's the point" and all that bullshit. But he hasn't done his, so why would I continue watching these videos ? There's zero evidence behind any of it. I recognize this bullshit for what it is because I used to watch these types of videos all the time in college. It's compelling and exciting, but it's smoke and mirrors most of the time.

This dude's arguments on behalf of these videos are so fucking juvenile and intellectually lazy. I can't stand it. Arguing with a toddler. This person then gets upset that I'm "forming an opinion about qanon without all the facts" because I refuse to spend any more time with these horseshit videos than I already have (I watched the first just so I'd have some frame of reference). Mind you this same dude had some really strong opinions about BLM before he'd ever even visited their website or spoken to a single black person about BLM or their causes.

But facts don't exist to these dumb pieces of shit. Yet and still, they're so defiant about their "opinions" despite the fact that they're based on not a shred of supporting evidence, ever.

Oh, and this same dude also says all that tired shit about "nuclear families" and "individual choices" and all that type of doggshit that you referenced. Gawwwwwwwwd I'm getting heated just talking about this.


>I don't think we were ready for the internet. I blame our
>money brains for not being ready for this. This has all been
>like giving a type a personality a gigantic bag of crack and a
>pipe and saying "You know what to do. Turbo mode"

Yea I'm listening to a semi-corny but also really illuminating podcast called "The Last Archive," a recent episode of which talked about Congressional hearings about building a "data warehouse" that took place in the 60s. These hearings came at a time when the internet was in its absolute infancy, and when conspiracy theories were at an all time high for obvious reasons. Anyway there was one dude (his name escapes me but I wrote it down while listening) kept warning that Congress should enact some privacy laws to prepare for the inevitable. And, partly because they were ignorant about what all of this technology meant, partly because of the centuries-old conservative fearmongering bullshit about "big government," Congress did nothing.

Then the host played clips from the Facebook/Zuckerberg hearings about THIS EXACT SAME THING from 2018, when it was too damn late and when all our personal data had long been in the hands of every major corporation on the planet who wanted it.

That episode was so frustrating to listen to, but shouldn't have been. Because it's so typical of the US. We really are a shithole country.

Anyway the podcast has a lot of really great episodes, I recommend it.

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i'm not knee deep like you but the few people I know who share this Q stuff are just right wingers who have gone further off the deep end ever since 2008, and further since Trump.

I see the save the kids thing is something they can use as a noble cause to hide their hatred and cult like ways behind.

I know one girl who shares this stuff who I know for a fact is an abuse survivor, but she's been down with any kind of anti-obama pro-trump thing you can think of. Now it's a lot of "Why won't the MSM talk about all the pedophiles?!!" but it's not like i've seen anybody who isn't already far right or horseshoe left entertain this kind of thing.

>will always say "nah bruh, you sleeping, you gotta do your
>research. LOOK IT UP MAN"

I was just talking about this recently. how i never see actual smart people say "do your research". It's always the dumbest people I know

>I was just talking about this recently. how i never see actual
>smart people say "do your research". It's always the dumbest
>people I know

Same. Smart people can give some evidence to support things they say and theories/ideologies they have.

Dumb people say "do your research" or, like, "there's a lot of people who would disagree with that" rather than providing anything of substance.

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you don't hear actual researchers or scientists say that stupid shit. but your boy who just watched 4 youtube videos on Bill Gates and 5G is quick to tell you to wake up you fucking sheep.

For sure. But I also feel some sense of responsibility for him cuz I've been close friends with him for almost 25 years at this point. So as badly as I'd like to just cease the conversations altogether, on the other hand I feel like it's my duty to try and set him straight.

What makes it all the more frustrating is that two other kids we grew up with have been part of these interventionist conversations to try and save him before he collapses into totally detached racism and insanity. To almost no avail thus far sadly.


>RE: it's one of the quickest ways to know to dip out
>you don't hear actual researchers or scientists say that
>stupid shit. but your boy who just watched 4 youtube videos on
>Bill Gates and 5G is quick to tell you to wake up you fucking
>sheep.

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do you think convincing him is even possible? You're the one that knows him so i'm not gonna pretend I have the answer to that.
My friend's kid's mom is literally a flat earther, and she was your run of the mill democrat a few years ago. She voted for Obama twice. She got with some far right dude about 5 years ago and now she's all gun carrying pro-Trump and thinks Obama's going to hell (I'm not even sure her reason). She's always been an easily influenced dunce though. There are probably a couple more left leaning people I know who would be right wing given a change of environment.

>do you think convincing him is even possible? You're the one
>that knows him so i'm not gonna pretend I have the answer to
>that.

Two things about that: (1) if he can be so easily convinced of all the bullshit in this string of qanon videos, I have to assume (hope) that the switch can be flipped back off, too. But maybe I'm underestimating the power of these conspiracies. In fact I pretty clearly am I suppose, considering how far we've fallen in four years as a country, and how many otherwise good people I know who have inexplicably supported this fool and so quickly jumped on board this conspiracy train.

(2) He's a really good person, or at least has been for the time I've known him. So perhaps I'm naive or biased, but I think/hope this is just a glitch in an otherwise good person's life. But I'm also really concerned that he's too far gone, because the country as a whole is seemingly too far gone on so many levels. And considering the fact that we've very patiently tried to bring him back to reality, and he still hasn't budged ... maybe it's hopeless.

All that is to say - I'm not entirely sure hah. But I hope so.


>My friend's kid's mom is literally a flat earther, and she
>was your run of the mill democrat a few years ago. She voted
>for Obama twice. She got with some far right dude about 5
>years ago and now she's all gun carrying pro-Trump and thinks
>Obama's going to hell (I'm not even sure her reason). She's
>always been an easily influenced dunce though. There are
>probably a couple more left leaning people I know who would be
>right wing given a change of environment.

Goddamn that's crazy. And I know a lot of people who, like your friend's kid's mom, voted for Obama twice and are now borderline right wing extremists or at least Trump supporters. Mindblowing.

I hope there's research being done on these types of people in real time. In other words I hope that someday we get *some* explanation for this left/moderate-to-right-wing-extremist wave we've seen with so many people since 2016. Because it doesn't make any logical sense.

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>I hope there's research being done on these types of people in
>real time. In other words I hope that someday we get *some*
>explanation for this left/moderate-to-right-wing-extremist
>wave we've seen with so many people since 2016. Because it
>doesn't make any logical sense.

Obama in 08 felt like something special and there seems to be two types of former Obama supporters. The much larger one of course make up a lot of the bro wing of Bernie's base and have convinced themselves that Obama duped them by running as the fox news version of Obama instead of the center/left guy he always openly was. The Obama to Trump ones are more all over the place in their reasoning. Some are easily influenced, and yes many are lying, but I know the girl i referenced legit supported Obama. But it seems it took another "movement". Trump and Bernie embodied that but you didn't see anyone flock from Obama to Romney.

Q, Tea Party, people who follow Jordan Peterson around, people with pepe the frog avatars, they feel like they belong to something and i gotta believe that's a big part of it. This just reminded me I need to peep the recent Frontline on conspiracy theories.

that's the consistent personality trait.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

when this was a story that came and went, I thought to myself, "self, these Q people are not to be fucked with"

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-children-rescued-tunnels/fact-check-35000-malnourished-and-caged-children-were-not-recently-rescued-from-tunnels-by-us-military-idUSKBN23M2EL

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is that the "research" always consists of unhinged media like "Fall of Cabal" on YouTube.

It's never actual research lol.

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I can read through controversial reddit threads or gab or that new reddit like place for trump fans for a while

I can't do a full on youtube video, my head would explode

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I watched one and, because I have a functioning human brain, laughed at this man for taking even a single second of this bullshit seriously.

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there are certainly abused people among them because abused people are everywhere

but abuse victims aren't generally looking for the shadowy cabal.

they know that they know their abusers

these are people whos experience with that stuff is mostly hearing about it on tv and telling themselves that they'd definitely know a perv when they see one

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>there are certainly abused people among them because abused
>people are everywhere
>
>but abuse victims aren't generally looking for the shadowy
>cabal.
>
>they know that they know their abusers
>
>these are people whos experience with that stuff is mostly
>hearing about it on tv and telling themselves that they'd
>definitely know a perv when they see one

>
>I don't think we were ready for the internet. I blame our
>money brains for not being ready for this. This has all been
>like giving a type a personality a gigantic bag of crack and a
>pipe and saying "You know what to do. Turbo mode"
>
>
Facts, we saw money and ran with it.. privacy is all over the place.. holes everywhere.. security is all over the place..
we making money tho...


>
>E: ALSO, fuck these fools, I've run into Q folk, flat earther
>types and they never come off with the researched facts. They
>will always say "nah bruh, you sleeping, you gotta do your
>research. LOOK IT UP MAN"
>
>like...that's not how you get people into things Robert.
>
>

yeah that gets us no where..

>I've said it before but I think...I THINK there is some
>psychological shit at play among the zillion other layers for
>the reasons why people get into Q.
>
>
>Essentially, I am willing to bet a crisp hundo that
>
>IF
>
>you were to make a venn diagram
>
>with q supporters on one side
>
>and
>
>adult survivors of childhood trauma, adult children, sexual
>abuse and trauma survivors, those from fractured families,
>those suffering from abandonment issues
>
>I theorize...the overlap would be significant.

I think you're correct, however that description would overlap with any number of other groups of people. To that end, I don't think this is all that significant a factor.

I think a more telling overlap would be in people who believe in flat earth, Mandela effect, and other ridiculous and easily debunked tinfoil theories... up to and including pizzagate and wayfair.

That said, I think there are more significant factors at play:

First, they already support Trump, which is in and of itself a leap in logic. They already support him, and as such are prone to believe all kinds of outlandish shit, like the notion that we'd build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. So it's a theory that paints their guy as a superhero.

To that end, Q paints him as a genius superhero, but takes it a step further, because not only is he a hero, he's a hero taking down the lowest of the low: child predators.

And that's the second most important factor, I think. I think there's a natural barrier to that theory, in that the one thing the vast majority of people can agree to hate with ardent fervor is a pedophile.

Thing is, that's not a discussion most people can have with a measure of nuance, and it's the lowest hanging fruit imaginable. Who doesn't hate a pedophile? It's the easiest of low hanging pickings. So it's easy to be on the right side of that.

So they get to view their guy as a genius who saves children from pedophiles- and anyone who doesn't buy into it MUST be a pedophile or a sympathizer.

>They have such a crazy deep obsession with saving children
>from general exploitation and sexual abuse that it's a theme
>that is mirrored in what seems like everything they talk
>about.

I somewhat disagree. From what I've seen, they aren't *actually* obsessed with saving children at all. As far as I can tell, the bulk of these people have simply made this their social media "thing", but it's really just that, just their little niche of social media where they can appear to be taking a stand for a serious, largely non-controversial cause that is unlikely to be met with much challenge.

I think a lot of it is rooted in fantastical thinking, personally. I think people like the idea that, not only are they living in a real-life sci-fi/political thriller, but they're the hero. They're all Woody Harrelson's character in 2012, the ones everyone else sees as a crackpot in the beginning, but all the while, they're the ones with open eyes, the ones who know this secret truth to which all others have been blinded.

I think Q is a veritable perfect storm of factors. All in all I think the element of being a survivor of childhood trauma would rank relatively low on the scale of significance though.

ugh, I kept thinking about this more and more

you know what pinches my nut purse about these people?



They willingly swallow out-there-way-way-the-fuck-out-there truths with only a whiff of connective information


Yet

Yet Yet YET


institutional racism, racism, implicit bias, history of racism in the US, microagressions, generational wealth, inequality. crystal clear ass footage of us getting gunned-the-fuck-down, redlining, the southern strategy, quotas, blockbusting...

you know, actual fucking conspiracies?

These fools will run over hot coals to put on a blonde wig and do their best Dolores Abernathy impression to state "“It Doesn't Look Like Anything To Me”

NIGGA IF YOU DON'T STOP BULLSHITTING AND LOOK AT THE REAL REAL IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES...




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... in the conversations I've been having with this dude I mentioned in my response to you above. Literally exactly this.

It's mindblowing !! Fucking mindblowing. And infuriating. Pointing out his very clear and very obvious hypocrisy only makes him more defensive somehow. I can't get my mind around any of this. It dominates my thoughts. I've tried every strategy I can think of. Nothing works.

Literally after spending months trying to calmly explain systemic racism/police brutality/white supremacy/etc. to him, with MOUNTAINS of historical evidence, context, data, podcasts, documentaries, books, theses, articles, etc. (and all he's provided thus far has been like 3 thinkpieces "this sums up how I feel," a couple cherrypicked data points about "violent crime" and "fatherless homes," and one report he hadn't even read yet), this motherfucker had the nerve the other day to tell me that all I've given him has only served to "reinforce {his} beliefs."

It made my blood boil which is what these kind of people thrive on I guess.


>RE: moreover, FUCK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE.
>ugh, I kept thinking about this more and more
>
>you know what pinches my nut purse about these people?
>
>
>
>They willingly swallow out-there-way-way-the-fuck-out-there
>truths with only a whiff of connective information
>
>
>Yet
>
>Yet Yet YET
>
>
>institutional racism, racism, implicit bias, history of racism
>in the US, microagressions, generational wealth, inequality.
>crystal clear ass footage of us getting gunned-the-fuck-down,
>redlining, the southern strategy, quotas, blockbusting...
>
>you know, actual fucking conspiracies?
>
>These fools will run over hot coals to put on a blonde wig and
>do their best Dolores Abernathy impression to state "“It
>Doesn't Look Like Anything To Me”
>
>NIGGA IF YOU DON'T STOP BULLSHITTING AND LOOK AT THE REAL REAL
>IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES...
>
>
>
>
>America, eat your gotddamn peas.

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Mark Foley and Dennis Hastert

NEVER COMES UP in their conspiracies

they never ask about it.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

In both ears.

I wasn’t aware, thank you

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https://www.axios.com/facebook-bans-qanon-b63b5554-a84d-4dbf-947f-6320b4b5d7ae.html

Facebook announced on Tuesday it would ban all accounts, pages and groups representing the fringe conspiracy theory QAnon from its platforms.

Why it matters: Facebook previously banned or restricted hundreds of groups, pages and Instagram accounts that "demonstrated significant risks to public safety" due to their ties to QAnon, but the latest update goes even further — removing all accounts "even if they contain no violent content."

Context: QAnon is a sprawling, far-right conspiracy theory that falsely alleges a secret cabal of sex traffickers and pedophiles is waging a war against President Trump from inside the government. Trump has previously praised the group, which the FBI has deemed a potential domestic terrorist threat, saying that he understands its supporters "like me very much" and that they "love America."

The big picture: The move comes as Facebook, long accused of bending over backward to accommodate the right, looks to take action against harmful rhetoric coming from conservative groups and figures. Just this morning, Facebook took swifter action than Twitter against a post from President Trump falsely claiming COVID-19 is less deadly than the flu.

Yes, but: Facebook has its work cut out for it with the hard ban. QAnon supporters have already gotten canny about dodging enforcement actions from social media platforms, and the movement is increasingly intermingling with more anodyne-seeming calls to protect children that may be hard to claw apart from the conspiracy theory.

What they're saying: "We’ve been vigilant in enforcing our policy and studying its impact on the platform but we’ve seen several issues that led to today’s update," Facebook said in a statement.

"For example, while we’ve removed QAnon content that celebrates and supports violence, we’ve seen other QAnon content tied to different forms of real world harm, including recent claims that the west coast wildfires were started by certain groups, which diverted attention of local officials from fighting the fires and protecting the public."

"Additionally, QAnon messaging changes very quickly and we see networks of supporters build an audience with one message and then quickly pivot to another. We aim to combat this more effectively with this update that strengthens and expands our enforcement against the conspiracy theory movement."

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spouting white nationalism and Q dogma with reckless abandon.

She's even worse than many thought she'd be.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/greene-qanon-house-trump-republicans/2021/01/30/321b4258-623c-11eb-ac8f-4ae05557196e_story.html

Even aside from all her garbage which we're all aware of at this point, it's these "average people" that are truly scary and no matter how many times I encounter these kinds of quotes or actual people I can't believe how blissfully unaware they are of the hypocrisy and willful dumbness.

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Another member, James Waycasie, said that while he doesn’t think Greene is a Q supporter, and he doesn’t know if Q is real, “you can’t deny” that millions of people are involved in “the movement.”

“They are trying to discredit her,” one wrote. “It won’t work, it will only make us love her more.”

Another wrote, “I wish we had a million more just like her.”

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If any punishment just increases her/Donald's influence, what the fuck is the point? Or if people aren't willing to accept a conspiracy or its thought leader is real, but ARE willing to follow along with the people who HAVE accepted them as real simply because there's a big number of them...shouldn't it be easier to say to those people, "but look, there's more people over HERE" ???

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that thinks dems should take a hands off approach because they run the risk of elevating her and turning her into 'another trump'.

like dems should just play it safe, not over reach, etc and she will just fade away or some such other shit.

hell nah.

the problem is...much of the country/media isnt aware that she represents the *real* republican party...not the eloquent conservative suits on the sunday morning shows.

elevate her...brand the entire party with her...and attack her while you also attack the party leadership for not doing enough to distance themselves from her.

at the least...you pry away more suburban voters. at the most...you get the repub establishment to throw her under the bus and heat up a civil war between the kooks and the connivers.

i honestly didnt know she would attract as much mainstream attention as she has already gotten fresh out the box.

hopefully she sticks around long enough to pop up in ads for 2022.

trump already called her a star and the future of the republican party. dems need to oblige him and let the rest of the public know how great she is.

>i honestly didnt know she would attract as much mainstream
>attention as she has already gotten fresh out the box.
>
>hopefully she sticks around long enough to pop up in ads for
>2022.
>
>trump already called her a star and the future of the
>republican party. dems need to oblige him and let the rest of
>the public know how great she is.

What if states like Arizona, Wyoming and Pennsylvania get what they want and just elect more of these sorts of people? You've got very prominent people in Wyoming calling Liz Cheney "washed" and "old-school" and all of Pennsylvania's government still clinging to the fact their state's count was rigged.


In a best case scenario it just means they lose constantly, but as we've seen it took record numbers and historic district flips to beat out just a handful of them - and lose to another handful.


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i don't see anyone on the right stepping up to provide voters with something to actually vote for. Even more tax cuts for the wealthy? More military spending? More flags? That's not going to cut it anymore. Right now Republican legislators are united and actively opposing an insufficient Covid relief bill that would provide payments and vaccines directly to large swaths of the GOP base.

I don't know where the right goes from here exactly, but it's not headed in a positive direction. Census fuckery under Trump and more gerrymandering also makes this problem a bit more permanent problem moving forward than a lot of people realize.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

It's promising that they're pushing ahead with the COVID bill without repugs. Hopefully this goes well enough in terms of public opinion that it convinces dems that the way forward is to just ignore the nazis altogether and just ram shit thru to help people the next two years.

Eventually nazi senators in even the deepest red states are gonna have a hard time arguing against the results. Reasonable repug voters are gonna be like "yea, but they gave me money ..." "yea, but they saved my business ..." etc.

There's almost no doubt that dems will find a way to squander these opportunities, but at least they're off to a good start.

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of the GOP base.

They don’t care about what the government can do to help them, they only care about what the government can do to hurt minorities.

They will gladly take the healthcare, money, and help the Dems give them and still vote Republican because the Dems elected a black woman and confirmed a gay man as Secretary of Transportation.

These people (GOP and their base) genuinely love this country and hate half the people in it.

>of the GOP base.
>
>They don’t care about what the government can do to help
>them, they only care about what the government can do to hurt
>minorities.
>
>They will gladly take the healthcare, money, and help the Dems
>give them and still vote Republican because the Dems elected a
>black woman and confirmed a gay man as Secretary of
>Transportation.
>
>These people (GOP and their base) genuinely love this country
>and hate half the people in it.

I agree that most of the repug voters (and most Americans period) are racist, hateful, and ignorant, but it's a spectrum.

Many fall under the umbrella you described: they'll take everything the dems give them, and still vote repug because they're hopelessly racist and stupid.

But many are, at least, astute enough to recognize which party is giving them what they need to survive, so they're willing to put aside their racism to serve their own needs.

We saw this in 2008 when Obama won a lot of historically red states no one thought he had a chance to win.

None of this means that these repug voters who voted for Obama aren't racist or stupid. My point is just that I think there's a spectrum: some let their racism cloud their ability to see what's in their best interest, others are willing to put their racism aside - however temporarily - to serve an immediate personal need.

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Even those that aren’t racist, and ignorant, they will cry about the deficit and small government and vote GOP.

Dems to GOP are Brady to Dr. Claw, ain’t no winning them over!!

But if we can peel off 5-15% of GOP voters then the Democrats should win the majority of national elections.

>Dems to GOP are Brady to Dr. Claw, ain’t no winning them
>over!!

>Even those that aren’t racist, and ignorant, they will cry
>about the deficit and small government and vote GOP.

Which is hilarious on a number of levels, the first being that repugs almost always increase the deficit a trillion times over.


>Dems to GOP are Brady to Dr. Claw, ain’t no winning them
>over!!

lol


>But if we can peel off 5-15% of GOP voters then the Democrats
>should win the majority of national elections.

Right - exactly my point. And it's possible and has been done many many times.

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in the last few years because those repub state parties have gotten more and more extreme. and they continue to get even crazier.

and the dem party stays firmly within the mainstream and sucks up votes where the majority reside (in the center).

this is why repubs are in a death spiral in the suburbs. and thats the demographic that is most rapidly changing the political complexion of those states.

and most people dont even realize how extreme the repub party is. because theyre still presented as a center right party by the media. so the more dems highlight the repub nutjobs and how firmly theyre entrenched in the rank and file of the party...the better for dem electoral prospects.

To GOP/Republicans are actually leaving the party and going Independent or Democratic compared to Democrats leaving states like California, NY, etc and settling in the states you mentioned.

it’s a whole new universe now...

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I heard someone’s being investigated in GA for election fraud. any info?

is ridiculous. Save for Mitt Romney - all of these Republicans were bowing at the alter of Trump.

So how do you all of a sudden call out a Q disciple when you pledged fealty to the Q Prophet himself - Donald Trump?

Disgusting.

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Infuriating because its once again comparing mediocre, no, substandard white to AOC like its a valid comparison.

I think its awesome because when you actually compare them, or spend the time listening to either, you walk away realizing AOC is really smart, and impressive and will say a lot you will agree with and MTG is an ignorant crazy idiot.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I keep hearing people be like "MTG is the AOC of the Republican Party! She needs to be removed from Congress!"

Think about the absolute absurdity of that comparison and it is indeed "infuriating" - but that's how our body politic has been dictated - to where a sensible, intelligent, and humanity-loving star like AOC has to deal w/ such absurdity and claims of "far left extremism" simply because she stands for common-sense human rights and dignity in a way that challenges long-standing institutional decay.

They are *nothing* alike.

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>RE: yea it's such a grotesque false equivalency
>I keep hearing people be like "MTG is the AOC of the
>Republican Party! She needs to be removed from Congress!"
>
>Think about the absolute absurdity of that comparison and it
>is indeed "infuriating" - but that's how our body politic has
>been dictated - to where a sensible, intelligent, and
>humanity-loving star like AOC has to deal w/ such absurdity
>and claims of "far left extremism" simply because she stands
>for common-sense human rights and dignity in a way that
>challenges long-standing institutional decay.
>
>They are *nothing* alike.

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I’m anxious to see how tomorrow’s vote goes and the aftermath.

https://giphy.com/gifs/snl-saturday-night-live-episode-4-l0MYrc4PAiZrYmKKQ


It's all optics. Will this make us look bad? Can we fundraise off it? Can we make them look bad? Etc.

The vote is a given. The Democrats have enough votes. It's all about getting Republicans on record with their opinion on her.

being on a committee gives a politician ALOT of sway and power to help their districts.

by removing her from these committees...

it'll be much more difficult for her to get funding for her district (ie" schools, transportation, public housing, etc.)

it'll also make it more difficult for her to enact specific legislation that impacts her district (ie: zoning laws, employee protections, life quality issues, etc.)

its a political way of making her a lame duck for her constituency, which would in a round about way, forces her district to vote her out and someone else in the next time around.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

y’all watching the vote?

Hoyer came thru lol

and Coey Bush...”and expel them all”. I like her...

Man, this dude really nailed this take on Kevin McCarthy. I just can't believe how afraid of Trump's base these old bags are they can't even recognize their coworker isn't up to the job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/kevin-mccarthy-is-now-our-most-disgraceful-political-leader/2021/02/04/e3d99f4e-6723-11eb-886d-5264d4ceb46d_story.html

Reminds me of this dude that got hired at a bar I used to work at and on his first day, he poured a saison when he was asked to pour a stout. Not only that, but it was like a honey-wheat saison instead of the chili-pepper stout. It was just ALL wrong, but when we asked what he thought he was doing, he said he was pouring the beer I asked for. This wasn't that high pressure of a place, we were right next to an arena so the money was pretty automatic, but you still gotta get the basic order right. We poured the saison, set it right next to the stout, said "see this is why it's pretty unfortunate you insist that you poured a stout" and he just kinda stared into the middle distance for a moment before saying "it's a beer, though, right?"


He got sent home at a job that basically sold itself as long as you could get basic facts right, but this bitch here?

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On the morning of Feb. 3, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) sat in the Capitol Rotunda for a service honoring fallen U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick, who died during the Jan. 6 attack by domestic terrorists. On the evening of Feb. 3, McCarthy asserted that the big tent of the Republican Party should include those who have advocated political violence.

All in a day’s work for the United States’ most disgraceful political leader.

The Republican legislator whom McCarthy has tried to shield from the consequences of sedition, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), said in 2019 that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is “guilty of treason . . . a crime punishable by death.” She endorsed the view that Pelosi might be quickly removed by “a bullet to the head.” She approved of the suggestion that federal law enforcement agents hostile to then-President Donald Trump should be executed. Responding to a proposal that former president Barack Obama and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton be murdered, Greene wrote: “Stage is being set. Players are being put in place. We must be patient.”

McCarthy claims he has received private assurances from Greene that she no longer wishes death on Pelosi. Greene made a weak, private apology to the House Republican caucus, mainly for causing them inconvenience. She also made a de minimis mea culpa on the House floor, saying she regrets some “words of the past” without directly apologizing for her overt racism and embrace of political assassination. This might best be called a false-flag apology — conceding just enough reality to sound sane, while leaving plenty of wiggle room for conspiratorial insanity. Greene’s admission that the 9/11 attacks “happened,” for example, did not include conceding a plane crashed into the Pentagon (which Greene has denied).

As apologies go, this has been thin gruel. But it has been enough for McCarthy to declare a united Republican front, reaching all the way from Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), who voted for Trump’s impeachment, to Greene, who supported the execution of Trump’s enemies. The McCarthy coalition is so diverse and exciting. Republicans must be proud.

McCarthy wants us to know that he is not personally supportive of the wing of the GOP that approves of political murder, accuses Clinton of skinning babies and blames a Jewish conspiracy for setting forest fires. “I condemn those comments unequivocally,” he has said. But for McCarthy, equivocation is always a tool near at hand. “I think it would be helpful if you could hear exactly what she told all of us,” he explained Wednesday, “denouncing Q-on, I don’t know if I say it right, I don’t even know what it is.” McCarthy was referring, of course, to QAnon, which he was perfectly aware of last August when he denounced it. Feigned ignorance is the purest form of equivocation.

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The "Q-On" shit is what really gets me. Why does this idiot have any power?

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Greene: "GOP should be the party of Christian Nationalism":

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-says-202722384.html

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so the media can no longer play dumb.

is just out there unabashed not giving AF. I actually appreciate the honesty moreso than those who feign like they aren't racist citing MLK quotes - but in the smoky back room are peddling Great Replacement Theory.

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but be faux outraged if you'd like.

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just another selling point for their base to see if they'll get buy in.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

well then it might explain the Tulsi thing.

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You stay trying extra hard to argue just for the sake of being argumentative.

>well then it might explain the Tulsi thing.

Oh that's what this is about? Me introducing Tulsi at an event (while also introducing Warren, Sanders & Williamson) in 2019 when her congressional record had a 100% legislative voting record with the Human Rights Campaign and ran on one of the most progressive platforms in the primary? You're still mad about this years later?

lol cool. Enjoy your Lurking experience.




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Just because she calls herself Christian nationalist ? smh

>You stay trying extra hard to argue just for the sake of
>being argumentative.
>

Nah nothing to argue about and I'm not outraged or mad. Do you think MTG defines Christian nationalist the same way you do ? If your answer is no, how can you call it MTG being honest.

>>well then it might explain the Tulsi thing.
>
>Oh that's what this is about? Me introducing Tulsi at an event
>(while also introducing Warren, Sanders & Williamson) in 2019
>when her congressional record had a 100% legislative voting
>record with the Human Rights Campaign and ran on one of the
>most progressive platforms in the primary? You're still mad
>about this years later?
>
>lol cool. Enjoy your Lurking experience.
>
>

Come on now, too many receipts for you to pretend like your "VP" pick was just introducing someone with a good voting record on Human Rights lmao too late to downplay it.

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She's proven her racism time and time again. Just look at her comments on Ilhan Omar. I also don't think she's attempting to pull a con when she says that she's a Christian Nationalist. That's who she actually is. What do you think she's being dishonest about?

>Come on now, too many receipts for you to pretend like your
>"VP" pick was just introducing someone with a good voting
>record on Human Rights lmao too late to downplay it.

lol I mean what do you think it was about, then? Yea I floated her as a VP pick or Sec. of State pick in a Sanders administration that never was. Is that the cardinal sin you're still bringing up? We were discussing an entire hypothetical cabinet. In 2019 she had one of the most progressive legislative records in the house and aligned with Bernie on a lot of issues. That she's a different politician now doesn't change her legislative record while in Congress.

Tulsi clearly is a different politician now and shifted to a moderate or even a center-right politician. It's not unheard of. Warren did the same thing in her 40's (she was a Goldwater girl/staunch conservative and then shifted to a liberal). What's interesting to me is that a lot of people on this board love moderates with crossover appeal - but not in this case. Maybe it's because she dunked on beloved Kamala -- or that people hated how she went after the Clintons. Either way, does Tulsi deserve all the smoke while Dems laud Liz Cheney and posit her a hero? Strange obsession with Tulsi.


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>She's proven her racism time and time again. Just look at
>her comments on Ilhan Omar. I also don't think she's
>attempting to pull a con when she says that she's a Christian
>Nationalist. That's who she actually is. What do you think
>she's being dishonest about?
>

She's being dishonest about everything. She doesn't care about that label, it's just way to get money from the cult.


>
>lol I mean what do you think it was about, then? Yea I
>floated her as a VP pick or Sec. of State pick in a Sanders
>administration that never was. Is that the cardinal sin
>you're still bringing up? We were discussing an entire
>hypothetical cabinet. In 2019 she had one of the most
>progressive legislative records in the house and aligned with
>Bernie on a lot of issues. That she's a different politician
>now doesn't change her legislative record while in Congress.
>

It's about avoiding the obvious. No it's not a sin but it is a pattern. I mean what more would it take for you to see Tulsi for who she really is, instead of the rose colored version you created. The same way you gave MTG credit she doesn't deserve.

>Tulsi clearly is a different politician now and shifted to a
>moderate or even a center-right politician. It's not unheard
>of. Warren did the same thing in her 40's (she was a
>Goldwater girl/staunch conservative and then shifted to a
>liberal). What's interesting to me is that a lot of people on
>this board love moderates with crossover appeal - but not in
>this case. Maybe it's because she dunked on beloved Kamala --
>or that people hated how she went after the Clintons. Either
>way, does Tulsi deserve all the smoke while Dems laud Liz
>Cheney and posit her a hero? Strange obsession with Tulsi.
>
>

What ? Tulsi a moderate ? She tried to smear IIhan. The same squad member who you said the comments MTG made to her proved that MTG is racist, which is true, but in your mind when Tulsi tried to smear Ilhan it doesn't carry the same weight. What moderate or center right Dem would parrot Republican talking points and double down on pushing maga rhetoric ?

Yeah politicians shift but do they apologize for a previous position and then go back to it again. I mean supporting Desentis Don't Say Gay bill is a problem given her past right ?

People can be wrong about Cheney and right about Tulsi at the same time. Neither one of them deserve any kind of praise.

It's not an obsession about Tulsi if she has mad a career out of promoting maga talking points, and people comment on it.

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I'm honestly trying to understand where you're coming from here but still don't get it. You're saying she's not actually racist and isn't a Christian Nationalist - and is just acting like one to con her fanbase for money?

>It's about avoiding the obvious. No it's not a sin but it is a
>pattern. I mean what more would it take for you to see Tulsi
>for who she really is, instead of the rose colored version you
>created. The same way you gave MTG credit she doesn't
>deserve.

lol bro. I called out MTG before anyone did here. Look at the original date of this thread. Calling her a dangerous racist and a QAnon lunatic and saying we should believe racists when they tell us who they are somehow equates to "giving her credit"? lol c'mon.

But back to Tulsi - you act like I was her campaign manager or something. I supported her in 2016 (and she was the darling of Democrats at the time as the Vice Chair of the DNC). But let's be clear: it's disingenuous to say that the Tulsi you see in 2022 is the same Tulsi from 2016. That's intellectually dishonest and there's a reason why the Human Rights Campaign (one of the most prominent progressive orgs) gave her a perfect legislative score that she likely wouldn't have today if she were still in Congress.

As I stated: Tulsi is a center-right politician now in many ways (though still retains some of her progressive stances) - but to equate her to MTG is hyperbolic and silly. As you referenced, Tulsi fucked up when she gave credence to that Project Veritas hitpiece on Ilhan for sure - and I called her out for it. But she did actually apologize directly to Ilhan and admitted she was wrong.

When I see Tulsi now I find myself disagreeing with the vast majority of her positions. I just think it's odd how she's been the ire of so many Democrats - even before she turned. She committed the cardinal sin in 2016 of calling out Clinton for foul play in the primary and endorsing Sanders. It was then that a very deliberate smear campaign was aimed in her direction to posit her as a plant/Russian asset -- and it worked with a lot of Dem voters who bought into it. In many ways, you can make the argument that how she was treated by the party in large part contributed to her being seduced by the other side. This is where Dem leadership fucks up. Regardless of how you feel about them, why in the world would you want to alienate people like Sanders, Yang, Tulsi, Williamson etc.. and treat them like stray dogs? I don't care what your personal view is on these politicians -- if you're a Democrat, why would you want to weaken your party by losing them to the FWD party, or Fox News, or to a place where they only feel welcome as independents?

Yang is a perfect example. People hate him, but Biden loved him and wanted him in his cabinet because he saw he had some smart ideas that could contribute to the democratic tapestry. But Yang was the object of all this ire within party ranks - and the result of that is his forming a new party that only exists to hurt the Democratic party and coax votes away from the party. For what? Just to say we dunked on Yang and make jokes about some of his gaffes? As if Establishment dems are so perfect and without flaw? Peculiar electoral strategy, especially when Dems are still struggling to fend off a woefully regressive GOP that should as extinct as the dinosaurs by now.




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>I'm honestly trying to understand where you're coming from
>here but still don't get it. You're saying she's not actually
>racist and isn't a Christian Nationalist - and is just acting
>like one to con her fanbase for money?
>

When she uses the label Christian Nationalist, it's the same as the terrorists who stormed the capital on 1/6 using the "patriot" label. It's a lie.

You stated when she called herself Christian Nationalist

You: MTG takes off the only ask mask she'll wear -- a Klan mask"

You: Some of the old guard would dog whistle. This new breed"
is just out there unabashed not giving AF. I actually appreciate the honesty moreso than those who feign like they aren't racist citing MLK quotes - but in the smoky back room are peddling Great Replacement Theory.

You: yea, i'd prefer that racists just take their masks off

She didn't just take off the mask that hides her racism. She just switched mask. It's no honesty in that. It's not her "unabashed not giving a fuck." It's just a different mask with the same goal. She will still pretend like she is not racist and her version of MLK quotes will be replaced with Bible quotes. Same ol racist with a fresh coat of paint.

>>It's about avoiding the obvious. No it's not a sin but it is
>a
>>pattern. I mean what more would it take for you to see Tulsi
>>for who she really is, instead of the rose colored version
>you
>>created. The same way you gave MTG credit she doesn't
>>deserve.
>
>lol bro. I called out MTG before anyone did here. Look at
>the original date of this thread. Calling her a dangerous
>racist and a QAnon lunatic and saying we should believe
>racists when they tell us who they are somehow equates to
>"giving her credit"? lol c'mon.
>

Ok if you were the first to call her out, you should have seen the con with her new label, instead of saying the mask was off and she is honest.

Giving her credit is saying

"This new breed"
is just out there unabashed not giving AF. I actually appreciate the honesty..."

>But back to Tulsi - you act like I was her campaign manager or
>something. I supported her in 2016 (and she was the darling of
>Democrats at the time as the Vice Chair of the DNC). But
>let's be clear: it's disingenuous to say that the Tulsi you
>see in 2022 is the same Tulsi from 2016. That's
>intellectually dishonest and there's a reason why the Human
>Rights Campaign (one of the most prominent progressive orgs)
>gave her a perfect legislative score that she likely wouldn't
>have today if she were still in Congress.
>

Even if the Democrats loved her and the Human Rights campaign gave her a perfect score, it doesn't erase what she said and did. Her connection to Modi and meeting with Bashar al-Assad.



>As I stated: Tulsi is a center-right politician now in many
>ways (though still retains some of her progressive stances) -
>but to equate her to MTG is hyperbolic and silly. As you
>referenced, Tulsi fucked up when she gave credence to that
>Project Veritas hitpiece on Ilhan for sure - and I called her
>out for it. But she did actually apologize directly to Ilhan
>and admitted she was wrong.
>

She is pass center right. When you lay down with Tucker, you get up with MTG. You don't push, promote, and repeat maga, if you disagree with what they are saying and doing. I hope that direct apology to Ilhan that you mentioned is more then that pathetic tweet apology she put out.

>When I see Tulsi now I find myself disagreeing with the vast
>majority of her positions. I just think it's odd how she's
>been the ire of so many Democrats - even before she turned.
>She committed the cardinal sin in 2016 of calling out Clinton
>for foul play in the primary and endorsing Sanders. It was
>then that a very deliberate smear campaign was aimed in her
>direction to posit her as a plant/Russian asset -- and it
>worked with a lot of Dem voters who bought into it. In many
>ways, you can make the argument that how she was treated by
>the party in large part contributed to her being seduced by
>the other side. This is where Dem leadership fucks up.
>Regardless of how you feel about them, why in the world would
>you want to alienate people like Sanders, Yang, Tulsi,
>Williamson etc.. and treat them like stray dogs? I don't care
>what your personal view is on these politicians -- if you're a
>Democrat, why would you want to weaken your party by losing
>them to the FWD party, or Fox News, or to a place where they
>only feel welcome as independents?
>

She was not the perfect progressive that you are making her out to be, she already had baggage. Wait a min, she didn't turn to the dark side because the party was hard on her. This is is who she was the whole time, she was just hiding it. Rejecting Tulsi and Yang is good leadership. How many Clintions do you want. They would not strengthen the party. You don't embrace and encourage opportunists.

>Yang is a perfect example. People hate him, but Biden loved
>him and wanted him in his cabinet because he saw he had some
>smart ideas that could contribute to the democratic tapestry.
>But Yang was the object of all this ire within party ranks -
>and the result of that is his forming a new party that only
>exists to hurt the Democratic party and coax votes away from
>the party. For what? Just to say we dunked on Yang and make
>jokes about some of his gaffes? As if Establishment dems are
>so perfect and without flaw? Peculiar electoral strategy,
>especially when Dems are still struggling to fend off a
>woefully regressive GOP that should as extinct as the
>dinosaurs by now.
>

What ? Yang is a horrible example, he was called out on the board from the jump. Yang should not be anywhere near a cabinet position. You don't encourage and support these people unless you want more Manchin's blue dogs and future candidates that can't be trusted. You want to promote and help the guy who said identity politics could lose elections and then he pushed his Asian American identity ?

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