Now that we've all celebrated the pick, and rightfully so...

What has Biden gained strategically? Is there a state he is more likely to win? Is there a demographic, perhaps Indian (south Asian) voters, that are more likely to turn towards Biden? Is she the person that will inspire the black (mostly black male) voters to turn out who didn't turn out in 2016?

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Also one of the most influential. She actually has connections that span demographic groups, including high-level cops and state troopers, and probably beyond. She might be able to swing some of the cops to her side. Probably has major connections in Hollywood.

She's also somewhat of a fresh face like Obama was, since most people outside of CA just learned of her a year or two ago. She doesn't have baggage like Clinton did.

>She doesn't have baggage like Clinton did.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

even with her flaws.

just look at how the gop is stumbling over themselves to attack her. shes a pro corporation socialist cop who wants to defund the police and expand government while getting rid of healthcare.

you got people like dinesh dsouza exposing the fact that she has a slavemaster ancestor in an effort to differentiate her from the history/experience of...black americans lol.
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1293530588486537219

i don't know if you've seen any of his movies, they're the goofiest things i've ever seen.

>you got people like dinesh dsouza exposing the fact that she
>has a slavemaster ancestor in an effort to differentiate her
>from the history/experience of...black americans lol.
>https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1293530588486537219

dinesh, ben shapiro, etc.

and nah i never watched a full movie of his but ive seen plenty of clips.

theres a reason these folks have to completely delegitimize science, facts, history, media, education, and reality itself just to get their base to believe in them.

i watched the Obama one and the Hillary one. The Hillary joint has dramatizations of him in prison. His fellow prisoners are watching political debates on TV and passionately cheering for Hillary. Its the weirdest shit lol.

But mostly they are straw man exercises. He lays out (what he wants perceived as) the liberal argument then tears it down, but to me the movies were worth seeing just for the weird quirks and dramatizations and images of him staring off into space awkwardly.

I'd probably like them more if i didn't know there were people who take them seriously.

Shapiro even being a thing is weird to me. People think he's smart because he drops countless historical references and talks fast.

>dinesh, ben shapiro, etc.
>
>and nah i never watched a full movie of his but ive seen
>plenty of clips.
>
>theres a reason these folks have to completely delegitimize
>science, facts, history, media, education, and reality itself
>just to get their base to believe in them.

It's ultimately no different from the same take any number of smug, bigoted white men, but he really tried to intellectualize that shit.

Now he's talking about how people need to cater to LGBTQ to "get into the halls of power", and likens it to Black people trying to pass as white, back when white people ran shit.

It's mind blowing stuff.

dude's such a smug twerp in every respect, and how he's a thing is weird, but he's carved out a niche in the "i'm so not trump guy so i only defend him 90% of the time, now lets talk about the left" market.

The list of guys like him that they trot out as Big Guns is pretty bad.

If nothing else, they're great examples of how smart people can still have astonishingly bad epistemology.

so it will make them pull the lever a bit harder

Still seeing a lot of criticism about her past from woke men tho..

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black voters matter, tn black voter project, etc.

so that enthusiasm also has big ramifications past them just voting.

there was a big upset in a tn senate race where a black woman beat a multimillion funded opponent while spending only $5k on her campaign...using mostly the grassroots gotv activity of black women volunteers based around memphis.

so dems benefit overall when black women are energized by the candidate(s).

Woke dudes need to fall in line tho

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vulnerable in direct encounters with Trump. Kamala can help him tremendously with that. She'll probably largely ignore Pence and just go after Trump, which will help Biden alot.

Typically, when VP picks are made they don't make much waves, in terms of votes.

But in a pandemic, politically, she creates some problems for Trumps campaign

-Because she is a relatively new face, they really don't have a true, nationally recognized, scandal to pin her to, it makes effective attack ads difficult to create. She is not perfect by any means, but GOP will have to go deep into the conspiracy chamber to find something that will stick.

-her DNA as a lawyer, it blunts this law and order platform the orange man keeps pandering to, She comes from the justice side of things with actual experience.

-Her reputation as a debater (which I feel is being overplayed at this point) is solid, she can hold her own


-TURNOUT, she is a solid ask by the party to get voters to actually TURN OUT in November, At this point, this is a turnout game vs the voter suppression game. Black women have held up this party for decades, its a serious overture to them. Whether they receive it like that only time will tell.

Finally, we have to take the context. ALL of this is taking place in a race where polling shows trump is losing, we don't know by how much, but its not like their campaign does not have other problems to deal with. All of this pressure to blunt loud and steady rebuke of his administration should create some funding/staffing/messaging problems for them and reinforce what got Biden to this lead in the first place, Trump mismanagement/ putting his foot in his mouth.

Specifically, Sanders & Warren. These 2 want to tear down the system and revamp it. Harris' mindframe is more of a "tweak it and fix it from the inside to make it work better."

I've been wondering if playing closer to the center is an attempt to attract that group of "undecided/independent voters" from 2016, who disliked both Trump & Clinton but voted for Trump.

With this pick he showed is with listening to what the country needs at this moment in time and in history which is huge.

He also will energize folks of color and young folks, something that just wouldn't have happened in the same way if he had went with Whitmer or Warren.

>With this pick he showed is with listening to what the
>country needs at this moment in time and in history which is
>huge.
>
>He also will energize folks of color and young folks,
>something that just wouldn't have happened in the same way if
>he had went with Whitmer or Warren.

But what evidence, actual or anecdotal, do we have that she will energize young and black voters? It didn't happen in the primaries.

Where do we find an upswell of support that wasn't already there?

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....and its hilarious to watch!!

Keep going so I can keep laughing

cuz all your snark ain't stopping shit. She will be VP, and the one of the most power women in the world and there's nothing you can do about it

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man i'm loving this shit today!



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There's no regional utility with the pick (California was already going Biden and this leaves a Senate seat vacant). I also don't see how this pick expands the tent for likely voters - given that Harris does not have a strong reputation with leftists (namely Warren & Sanders supporters), many of whom already felt burned by the past two primaries. As we're seeing - Harris is getting attacked by both the left and the right (though most of the attacks are baseless and many just flat out incorrect, it still is playing with a large enough swath of the American electorate to make a dent).

I do think this helps in harnessing the suburban swing voter and white women - whom she seems to do very well with as a center-leaning Dem who - at least symbolically - represents a historic shift in the VP seat dynamic. Most Dems really champion that (and rightfully so). Biden already had the Black vote on lock - so the fact that Harris didn't perform well with Black voters in the primary likely won't be an impediment - but given that Trump is doing better with Black voters than virtually all Republican presidential nominees before him (welcome to 2020) - the Black turnout cannot experience the same kind of mild turnout that it had in 2016 (compared to 2008 and 2012).

Overall, Harris was a safe pick - but I hope it does enough to bring in disaffected voters who are not happy with the same old same old from the party.

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he got about as much as bush in 2000 and less than bush in 2004.

in fact...he didnt 'gain' black support (like its usually characterized). its just that black dem turnout fell from obama to clinton so trumps black support was an increased percentage of overall share.

in general...and its largely lost in a lot of the narration about the 2016 election...trump really didnt perform anything special compared to other recent republican candidates. he actually won less percentage of voters than romney and less total votes than romney in wisconsin.

the final result was really about how much clinton underperformed with key constituencies of the dem base and consistent historical slide of non college educated white voters to the republican party thats been going on for a while now.

in 2016 - there was considerable dropoff in Black turnout in Florida, Texas, Ohio, Michigan & Wisconsin. In some cases the dropoff was in the double digits. Granted, Clinton has historic unfavorables (which is why she performed so poorly at the polls with key Democratic demos) - but Trump has experienced higher than expected approval ratings and polling from Black voters in recent years. Will Kamala help with that? Hope so - but Biden's favorability ratings overall are pretty high (unlike Clinton) so that should help quite a bit as well.

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> and this leaves a Senate seat vacant).

Newsom picks her replacement, and Cali hasn't elected Repub senator in 30 years.

Number one let me say I think the pick was a strategic one and I don't dislike Kamala despite my long list of issues with the criminal justice system as a whole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH3l0oSzeIQ

I do not watch these people regularly btw,

For me the opinion in this video reflects a particular demographic, that is still going to vote Biden but is hyper-critical of Kamala for whatever reason. The dude who posted in particular is pro-law enforcement, anti-antifa, but is scandalized that DAs and AGs attempt to win cases and put people in jail. That's what they do, and that's what the system is for. I find the combination of attitudes mind-boggling, but these are the same people that might go Dem but hate Hillary for possibly hidden sexist reasons, or because she represents legacy power within the Dem party.

Anyway Kamala's record can be used to nullify the "Law & Order" tack Trump is taking, but also alienates more leftist voters. I also wonder if white women will take issue with a black woman achieving an office they have not yet gotten into themselves? Karens can be petty, and Trump is already digging at the psychological wounds with 'suburban women'.

And while I'm sure the GOP is going to dig shit up, Kamala doesn't carry the obvious baggage, of Susan Rice or Liz. I'm sure FOX had Benghazi and Pocahontas commentary on deck.

Gretchen Whitmer would have created a backlash with the woke crowd, who demanded a woman of color. Stacey and Keisha didn't have enough national level experience, and Karen Bass and Tammy Duckworth didn't have the name recognition.

is that they really struggle to come up with effective attacks for people they havent already been consistently attacking for years.

its why in congressional races...repubs always try to tie their opponents to pelosi and hillary clinton (still). there was a memorable moment in a house race in virginia where abby spanberger had to 'remind' her opponent that she wasnt nancy pelosi. she was abby spanberger.

but its a formula thats almost comical at this point. but i guess its at least somewhat effective with their base.

the problem is...they havent really been laying that groundwork with biden and kamala. and it shows.

one interesting fact that highlights this...a conservative book publisher known for putting out titles that serve as catnip for the repub base...they had 13 books about obama in 2012...12 books about clinton in 2016...and only 1 book about biden in 2020.
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1280876034720702464

Kamala is a bit of an enigma to conservatives. They can't attack her past decisions without their own coming into question as she's towed the line of law and order.

Trump and his daughter donated to her campaign so they can't say they didn't think she was a good politician or didn't have a great platform.

She's married to a white guy so they can't call her racist.

She's mixed so they can't call her too militant.

She's smart and educated in law so they can't say she won't understand policy.

She's attractive so he can't dog her looks.

She's major scandal free so he can't "Bengazi or missing emails" her to death.

She's young enough that you can't question her facilities but old enough to have real world experience.

She's well connected, respected and even has some Hollywood wave (wasn't she in one of Dave Chappelle's most recent comedy specials?).

She's image friendly to centrist white suburban moms (where Biden hurts most).

But still a sista so Black people won't flee his campaign. Hell, MORE Black women might vote now and they outnumber Black men who can vote and that's how Obama won his first term...Black women showed up in droves:

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2009/04/30/dissecting-the-2008-electorate-most-diverse-in-us-history/

"Much of the surge in black voter participation in 2008 was driven by increased participation among black women and younger voters. The voter turnout rate among eligible black female voters increased 5.1 percentage points, from 63.7% in 2004 to 68.8% in 2008. Overall, among all racial, ethnic and gender groups, black women had the highest voter turnout rate in November’s election—a first."

She has a rep as a moderate centrist but has voted progressive.

Can debate better than either of the 4 men still standing.

Cons have been reduced to 'nasty how she treated Biden', hypocritical blabber 'bad choice'...but you donated to her campaign, racial non-sense 'not black enough, family owned slaves'...

I mean, it's early but it's going to be hard for them to meaningfully trash her in a way that makes votes turn away. I think waiting until August to announce the VP pick was great strategy (and I'm sure she knew earlier so they could prep all summer) as it disallowed the Trump team to 'Hilary' her with months of slander and bad press. Now they have 11 weeks to doxx her and make her look out of her element in a few debates/interviews. All while dealing with the fall out of a pandemic and demolished economy.

First wave of kids/teachers/parents start dying from corona in September in the places that are going back to school and Kamala/Biden have all they need to destroy Trump/Pence in debates.

...the worst thing a conservative can say about Kamala that might actually move the needle negatively is...

If Biden dies or becomes medically unfit for office (highly likely before he turns 81), Kamala Harris, a half Black/half Indian woman becomes the President of the United States.

THAT might scare off a few lighter shade voters...a Black woman (how they'll characterize it) running the country.

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>Kamala is a bit of an enigma to conservatives. They can't
>attack her past decisions without their own coming into
>question as she's towed the line of law and order.
>
>Trump and his daughter donated to her campaign so they can't
>say they didn't think she was a good politician or didn't have
>a great platform.
>
>She's married to a white guy so they can't call her racist.
>
>She's mixed so they can't call her too militant.
>
>She's smart and educated in law so they can't say she won't
>understand policy.
>
>She's attractive so he can't dog her looks.
>
>She's major scandal free so he can't "Bengazi or missing
>emails" her to death.
>
>She's young enough that you can't question her facilities but
>old enough to have real world experience.
>
>She's well connected, respected and even has some Hollywood
>wave (wasn't she in one of Dave Chappelle's most recent comedy
>specials?).
>
>She's image friendly to centrist white suburban moms (where
>Biden hurts most).
>
>But still a sista so Black people won't flee his campaign.
>Hell, MORE Black women might vote now and they outnumber Black
>men who can vote and that's how Obama won his first
>term...Black women showed up in droves:
>
>https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2009/04/30/dissecting-the-2008-electorate-most-diverse-in-us-history/
>
>"Much of the surge in black voter participation in 2008 was
>driven by increased participation among black women and
>younger voters. The voter turnout rate among eligible black
>female voters increased 5.1 percentage points, from 63.7% in
>2004 to 68.8% in 2008. Overall, among all racial, ethnic and
>gender groups, black women had the highest voter turnout rate
>in November’s election—a first."
>
>She has a rep as a moderate centrist but has voted
>progressive.
>
>Can debate better than either of the 4 men still standing.
>
>Cons have been reduced to 'nasty how she treated Biden',
>hypocritical blabber 'bad choice'...but you donated to her
>campaign, racial non-sense 'not black enough, family owned
>slaves'...
>
>I mean, it's early but it's going to be hard for them to
>meaningfully trash her in a way that makes votes turn away. I
>think waiting until August to announce the VP pick was great
>strategy (and I'm sure she knew earlier so they could prep all
>summer) as it disallowed the Trump team to 'Hilary' her with
>months of slander and bad press. Now they have 11 weeks to
>doxx her and make her look out of her element in a few
>debates/interviews. All while dealing with the fall out of a
>pandemic and demolished economy.
>
>First wave of kids/teachers/parents start dying from corona in
>September in the places that are going back to school and
>Kamala/Biden have all they need to destroy Trump/Pence in
>debates.
>
>...the worst thing a conservative can say about Kamala that
>might actually move the needle negatively is...
>
>If Biden dies or becomes medically unfit for office (highly
>likely before he turns 81), Kamala Harris, a half Black/half
>Indian woman becomes the President of the United States.
>
>THAT might scare off a few lighter shade voters...a Black
>woman (how they'll characterize it) running the country.
>
>

CIPHA, please don't ever ask that dumb question again, either.

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If it was a dumb question, it wouldn't be so difficult to answer.

The closest reply to a tangible answer that I've seen here is that her addition will mobilize the black women who do GOTV efforts, and therefore lead to an uptick in votes.

But nobody has said he'll gain a stronghold in a state that he didn't already have or a voting bloc that wasn't already soundly in his pocket.

Not losing votes is not the same thing as gaining votes.

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right now he is at 0. anything that adds to that is a gain.

I'm certainly a big fan of maintaining your base, but I don't know if that can be compared to growing your base or building an enthusiasm amongst groups which were ambivalent.

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all we have are projections/estimations.

>I'm certainly a big fan of maintaining your base, but I don't
>know if that can be compared to growing your base or building
>an enthusiasm amongst groups which were ambivalent

with a 3rd implied.

1) More black women will vote. They will be energized by the fact that if Biden can't finish his term, a black woman sits on top. Also, the historical precedent of first black woman VP nomination/potential president. That 5% increase in turnout mattered.

2) Centrist Suburban White Moms don't really go for Biden. With Kamala on the ticket, he'll snag an increase be it slight or significant, it'll help.

3) The implied part...someone who doesn't hurt the campaign given polls say Biden is ahead. That's a W. And in essence, she strengthens the campaign by being competent, savvy, smart and able to make white men sweat in a confrontation. That's gold for guys who have bullied their way through politics for 3.5 yrs.

Sorry if these weren't clear from my post.

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>1) More black women will vote. They will be energized by the
>fact that if Biden can't finish his term, a black woman sits
>on top. Also, the historical precedent of first black woman
>VP nomination/potential president. That 5% increase in
>turnout mattered.

That's solid. Going from 64% to 70% among black women I think can be a significant gain depending on how those votes are distributed in the electoral college.


>2) Centrist Suburban White Moms don't really go for Biden.
>With Kamala on the ticket, he'll snag an increase be it slight
>or significant, it'll help.

...I'm not sure about this one but I'll keep an eye out for it. I'm not sure why this demo would break for Kamala when they didn't break for Hillary. But perhaps they'll go moreso for Biden with her rather than without her, but I'm not sure that Harris herself would be unique in this regard. Perhaps any woman would get that same result.

>3) The implied part...someone who doesn't hurt the campaign
>given polls say Biden is ahead. That's a W. And in essence,
>she strengthens the campaign by being competent, savvy, smart
>and able to make white men sweat in a confrontation. That's
>gold for guys who have bullied their way through politics for
>3.5 yrs.

Again, I'm not asking about maintenance of the status quo but tangible gains. That doesn't mean I disagree with you.

>

>Sorry if these weren't clear from my post.

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I’ve never gained money by not losing it.

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how many votes has biden already gotten?

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an entire intelligent response was delivered to you and you couldnt dispute it directly, so now you sub-whining about the lack of discourse...LOL

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But I didn't interact with it because I didn't consider it to be a response to my question, which is the point I made in responding to you since you called my question dumb.

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how arrogant of you to decide that it was not a response LOL

you mean it wasnt the response you WANTED but it was a response

get over yourself

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Ya'll bring all of your bullshit personal lives onto these boards and unload it. This shit ain't personal to me.

I have a real life in which I have a political science degree, a master's degree, a law degree, and I'm an actual elections attorney. So I'm attempting to edify myself through a discussion with my peers about a relevant topic, and all you can muster up is "this is a dumb question".

Go get some dick or pussy or religion or whatever will drag you out of this misery you're attempting to spread to me. Fuck you, I yield my time.

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congrats on all those degrees, tho.

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he’s already put out there that she’s mean and nasty. I’ve seen a few talk about her debating pence and we saw how they “poor guy” him against kaine.

I wouldn’t underestimate these guys. I pray to God she play her cards right...

I watch conservative spaces regularly because I've been watching the ebb and flow of the culture war happening since the late 90s

we're in a weird ass time where conspiracy theories have been allowed to bleed over into the communal brain space


When it comes to conservative talking points either logical or not, realistic or fringe I kind of have it down to a science. Show me a headline and I know what the response will be.

-logical conservative response: I dont like her policy but I mean, we can figure something out.

-uninformed conservative response: shes from california, they have restricted gun laws there...shes going to take our guns

-fringe conservative response: see what happened is Obama is not Obama ok brother? I'm going to blow your mind. THAT guy you see there? Thats the body double. the REAL Obama had a sex change and is actually...Kamala. Do your research.



UGH.



Kamala though? I have no clue what the fuck these people are going to think or do. Because I can't find their counter thread I'm feeling like I'm in a dark basement on the last stair step and I can't tell if there will be ground underfoot or another step.


the only thing that comes to mind will be treatment similar to Obama in that he was so unfuckwitable their criticism went into a weird area (that energy had to go somewhere) and lead to petty gripes like the tan suit bullshit.


Right now all I seem to pick up on is concern trolling and confusion.


I don't know.

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They just making shit up right now.

Her granddaddy owned slaves
She’s not African American
She’s the real President

Whatever they do best believe they will ride it until the wheels fall off.

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>She’s not African American

>
She's of Caribbean and South Asian descent.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

She also wasn’t listening to Tupac in college.

what do they win with these facts at this point in the game?

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Similar in intent to how liberals try to stir dissension in evangelicals by contrasting their faith against Trump's words and actions.

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im all in that right wing space...got fake accounts on mad sites/networks just to keep tabs.

and most people would never believe the shit that millions of these folks buy into.

i think thats part of the problem now. most of the people on 'the left' have no idea how crazy and deranged the people we are up against are. shit most people on 'the left' dont even know theyre on the left.

>
>i think thats part of the problem now. most of the people on
>'the left' have no idea how crazy and deranged the people we
>are up against are. shit most people on 'the left' dont even
>know theyre on the left.

because they themselves approach shit w/ reason and in good faith. they'll realize soon that some of these folks we'll just have to leave behind and hope they grab the bumper as the train leaves the station

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so, I've been watching the Q space in addition to the other areas

I'm at a point where that Q shit scares me. It legitimately scares me because it just grips people. It draws in well meaning people who feel empowered to do very real shit with with very real weapons to solve very fake problems. it feels like a fever dream exacerbated by internet culture.

I went from laughing at it, to being fearful of the movement once a faction split off to combine christianity and Q to make a Q church.

plus I just learned that a significant amount of police officers BELIVE THIS SHIT.

If this aint the opening to handmaids tale....


you know though, a thought I've been having for a while now is...maybe a lot more people than we realize have been sexually abused as children. I say this because their obsession with creating narratives to save children from evil powerful people (mommy/daddy/authority?) all feels like some deep psychological thing being played out.

What a venn diagram look like between Q folks and folks who have lived through traumatic childhoods?







or...maybe like all things, it's really just another avenue to hate jewish people because thats where the conversation always seems to go.

Now, if you must excuse me, I must go count the money George Soros personally paid me.

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Farthest right I go is Joe Rogan, gateway that his show is

Hard line I do not cross, ever.

I trust people who recap Fox News for me, but I'm not tuning in

>Farthest right I go is Joe Rogan, gateway that his show is
>

Rogan, ugh. I hate and like this goon. Hes too fucking inconsistent for this planet.

>Hard line I do not cross, ever.
>
>I trust people who recap Fox News for me, but I'm not tuning
>in
>


Keeping my ear to the ground is how I deal with it. It helps me make sense of this world. I knew Charlottesville would go down the way it would after wathing the progression.

I've only just gone semi deep, like, reading through Gab - but I do refuse to visit certain places like 4chan and 8chan because thats the place where meme thinking is birthed. It all seems like a nihilistic cesspool of behavior thats far beyond the realm of actual racism.

Ya gotta keep watching all the pots - my new interest is watching the anti-identity politics (those who believe the true problem of America is wealth inequality and capitalism and that solving that would solve racism - aka, a rising tide....) spaces because the shit they say is about an inch away from racism.

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Part of it was just fascination and partly it was kind of a self challenge to see how much i could take. But I think for a lot of these people Drudge and Fox are practically considered the middle now. My most extreme right wing friend was basically a fox news guy in the obama years. Now he shares Qanon shit. He's one of the few people i fell out with of politics.

>Farthest right I go is Joe Rogan, gateway that his show is
>
>Hard line I do not cross, ever.


Gateway is probably good way to describe Rogan and he seems to kind of bend based on who he's talking to. He'll challenge people on occasion (like he did Shapiro over the Kaep/kneeling thing). On some issues he's pretty left, and will drop the disclaimer that I'm just an idiot comedian/mma guy don't listen to me, but the "experts' recommends listening to on either side tend to be trash.

I haven't heard his show in the past month or so but I expect him to go full right wing within six months of moviing Texas. Especially if Biden wins.

If you think Drumf and Republicans aren't going to run ads claiming that Harris slept her way into politics, you're grossly underestimating their tactics.

Before we go any further, yes, I'm aware that it's total sexist, slut-shaming bullshit and grossly misrepresents Harris and her history. But that just means it's on-brand for these GOP douchebags.

They'll say she only got appointed to positions of power and elected as DA in SF because she was Willie Brown's "mistress." And a whole lot of other more repugnant shit.

Her opponents in the SF DA's race in 2003 used this. It's been floating as a right-wing talking point since the primaries started. It will be used by Drumf. And it will be ugly in the worst ways possible.

Again, I definitely think she was the right pick, but I have zero faith in Drumf and crew.

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>Before we go any further, yes, I'm aware that it's total
>sexist, slut-shaming bullshit and grossly misrepresents Harris
>and her history. But that just means it's on-brand for these
>GOP douchebags.
>
>They'll say she only got appointed to positions of power and
>elected as DA in SF because she was Willie Brown's "mistress."
>And a whole lot of other more repugnant shit.

but reeq pointed out in another post, they're already on it

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But hell, what do I know?

they'll amplify their GOTV efforts? Is there anything else we can look for?

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What else was there to gain?

Biden was never going to pick a non-authoritarian, non-hawkish running mate. The ticket would have been totally incoherent. They would have spent the entire campaign explaining why and how he differs with the running mate. Biden is running on a return to normalcy.

Why would someone vote for normalcy when there is a chance normalcy keels over at any moment and we have Hugo Chavez?

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I think the biggest gain is her ability to effectively make the case against the Trumpster administration

When it comes from Biden...it's obviously hard to follow...and then there's the whataboutism of a 50 year career politician

But coming from Kamala, the case against Trumpster will be executed much more effectively

and we've already seen that telegraphed by Trumpster referencing how mean she was to Kavanaugh

Imagine what that looks like in a POTUS campaign...night after night after night

I think she's the right person to hand Trumpster his hat on the way out the door...and make him eat it.

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I'm basically saying the same thing in my post below.

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I'm VERY encouraged by Joe intimating that he is going to bring in new voices

and not run for re-election in 2024

That signals to me...that Kamala 2024 is going to happen

and, as we saw in the VP sweepstakes, representation with innovative ideas and policies for current issues will be elevated

A lot of the statements he's made the past couple of days about her role in the administration are very encouraging

almost POTUS by proxy

...and I think that is a VERY good thing...

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Joe's not a great campaigner... he's always been prone to verbal gaffes (maybe bc of his stuttering issue) which limit his ability to drive a coherent message and make an impact in national campaigns.

It would be smart for him to find a way to make her THE prominent messenger for the campaign. They'd just have to manage the optics of who's really running the campaign and who's in charge without getting into petty power struggles.

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Nearly nine out of 10 Democrats approve of Kamala Harris as their party’s vice presidential nominee, and she is more popular than presidential candidate Joe Biden among women, young voters and some Republicans, according to a @Reuters /Ipsos poll
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i guess we have our answer.