legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Mon Aug-10-20 01:58 PM
2. "This is what happens when you scream defund the police" In response to Reply # 0
Trump and the cops get a few bad actors to incite riots and looting and now you have a bunch of film to scare white folks in the burbs.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
3. "is it me or does that shit look coordinated?" In response to Reply # 0 Mon Aug-10-20 02:05 PM by Reeq
shit didnt even build to a boiling point. there was barely a protest for a few hours than straight to looting (in an area of the city away from the shooting).
i seen somebody driving an audi through a store window nshit. its like somebody told these kids that there would be no police presence and they could go full gta.
Definitely coordinated. Just in time to make people regret shouting 'defund the police' and now 45 gets to come in and save the day with his enforcers.
7. "It was coordinated on Twitter " In response to Reply # 3
Has nothing to do with blm or protest It was over false information that quickly spread about an unarmed kid killed by police. He wasn’t a kid, was armed and is still alive. Some ppl are reporting uhauls in the area. That had to be planned in advance, I would think.
They are still looting. I just saw a video from a few hrs ago.
12. "yeah I heard about u-hauls and was like wtf..." In response to Reply # 7
>Has nothing to do with blm or protest >It was over false information that quickly spread about an >unarmed kid killed by police. He wasn’t a kid, was armed and >is still alive. >Some ppl are reporting uhauls in the area. That had to be >planned in advance, I would think. > >They are still looting. I just saw a video from a few hrs >ago.
15. "He was shot in the afternoon" In response to Reply # 9
By the time I heard about it there were over 100 police on the scene And that was before 9. I saw someone tweet that they shot a kid and people saying it was a shootout. It kept spreading from there.
14. "Something sort of similar happened in Oakland a little while ago" In response to Reply # 3
Just as the stuff in Portland was coming to a head, Drumf announces he's also going to send going his federal forces to Oakland. Downtown Oakland had been dead for a while at that point; there hadn't been protests in weeks. Then, a few night later, there's a "protest" and "ZOMG they're fire bombing the police station!" It smelled like so much bullshit.
18. "I think this highlights the fact that there r 2 very different Chicagos...." In response to Reply # 0
and you have this in every major city but I don't think anywhere else is more pronounced as far as the difference between the have and have-nots. The Gold Coast/Michigan ave folks couldn't care less about the record murder numbers posted daily just 10 minutes away in places like Englewood and Riverdale. It seems like those worlds are colliding right now and the disconnect between the 2 that has went on for so long is in a way "chickens coming home to roost".
I do believe that sinister outside forces have had a major hand in stirring this pot in Chicago and other cities but the environments already existed and festered for so long to get to this point. Was that all part of the plan too?
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79586 posts
Tue Aug-11-20 09:33 AM
19. "When you look at murder rates Chicago isn’t even top 20" In response to Reply # 18
Yeah.. it definitely has its problems but it’s a big ass city with 3 million people.
People in Ohio screaming about Chicago while they actually live in less safe smaller cities like Akron or Youngstown.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
25. "Right - "But Chicago" is a reactionary red herring" In response to Reply # 23
I thought it was interesting that Truth mentioned Riverdale, which is indeed a really fucked up neighborhood but which is also so far south that it's barely in the city and therefore doesn't get as much attention as, say, Englewood when this issue is brought up. It's a good example, but an uncommon one.
It seems relevant for this discussion, though, because Riverdale the neighborhood is basically adjacent to Riverdale the city, where this article (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017/27140/) specifically names a gun shop that has heavily contributed to the total guns recovered by Chicago PD. It says that 60% of those guns come from out of state, and 20% of out of state guns come from Indiana - which you can get to in about fifteen minutes from Riverdale.
The neighborhood works as a nice proxy for the complexity of the issue here - where Chicago's city governance (including law enforcement) could make any number of completely correct decisions about how to manage gun violence and still get absolutely set up by a far more general American unwillingness to divest from the only necessary material ingredient for gun violence: guns.
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24. "we learned in The Wire how you can "juke the stats" and the reason why....." In response to Reply # 19
St Louis & Baltimore are always at or near the top of "murder capital" lists is because those are the only 2 major cities that are their own "counties" and not part of a larger county so their stats are usually not linked to the larger more affluent metropolitan suburbs.
Spike Lee didn't make a movie called "Chi-Raq" for no reason.
21. "That was very sharp" In response to Reply # 20
Combining a clear moral perspective with material historical realities like that is very difficult for a lot of people. Like, difficult for their brains. Doing that was clearly difficult for her because of her conscience and love, but not because it was complex.
I have to teach a 20th century American History class this term, and the way she arranged those perspectives so that social unrest and violence can get some air as an "is" and not simply as an "ought" or "ought not" is an objective that I hope that these students can tackle with this level of heart - even if it won't (at first) be with that much skill.
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"Walleye, a lot of things are going to go wrong in your life that technically aren't your fault. Always remember that this doesn't make you any less of an idiot"
26. "and she didn't stutter or stumble once. mindblowing" In response to Reply # 21
>Combining a clear moral perspective with material historical >realities like that is very difficult for a lot of people. >Like, difficult for their brains. Doing that was clearly >difficult for her because of her conscience and love, but not >because it was complex.
exactly...very well put.
>I have to teach a 20th century American History class this >term, and the way she arranged those perspectives so that >social unrest and violence can get some air as an "is" and not >simply as an "ought" or "ought not" is an objective that I >hope that these students can tackle with this level of heart - >even if it won't (at first) be with that much skill.
you've nailed it...that is skill that is so completely foreign to how most of us communicate, period. Good luck with that..i wish i could take your class.
28. "Saw this after it came out. Insanely well said." In response to Reply # 20
All things I (and I know most everyone here) has tried to say and definitely thinks but not anywhere near so eloquently or persuasively. Such good content to use in conversations with ignorant people around the subject of race and american racism.
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