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"Jaguar Wright..."


  

          

She talks about first and second hand accounts of Malik B's relationship with the group, and her reasons for falling out with them and associates. As well as plenty more from the Neo-Soul era.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CDTq_eHFNyS/?igshid=914io6oqjpuj

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Sheesh
Aug 01st 2020
1
with more kettles simmering
Aug 01st 2020
2
Furniture was thrown
Aug 01st 2020
5
Yikes!!! Triple Barrows!!!!!! This is the epitome of NAME NAMES!
Aug 01st 2020
3
NIGGA!!! ALL THE NAMES!!! ALL.OF.THEM
Aug 06th 2020
370
I was just here to see if it made the boards....
Aug 01st 2020
4
same
Aug 01st 2020
14
Came back after 20 years to see the same thing hahaha
Aug 05th 2020
296
Me as well
Aug 14th 2020
453
Here for the BS too...
Jan 29th 2023
618
She didn't make okayplayer famous. We did.
Aug 01st 2020
6
If we gonna tell it
Aug 01st 2020
8
as usual, you dont know what you're talking about
Aug 01st 2020
13
No I do. I was there too.
Aug 01st 2020
15
      this board was a very niche place
Aug 01st 2020
16
           Glad to see some things will never change.
Aug 01st 2020
19
                Black Lilly started the late summer after this place begun that spring
Aug 01st 2020
20
                     The only person mentioning my name as usual...is you.
Aug 01st 2020
21
                          sir, your opening was "She didn't make okayplayer famous. We did"
Aug 01st 2020
22
                          Wtf are you the okp police? Hold your kids accountable
Aug 01st 2020
23
                               Come on men...
Aug 01st 2020
29
                               keep being a clown, dont let me stop you
Aug 01st 2020
30
                          RE: The only person mentioning my name as usual...is you.
Aug 01st 2020
35
PREACH!
Aug 04th 2020
256
Well.. she hasn’t changed. lol
Aug 01st 2020
7
Yep
Aug 01st 2020
27
what she need to change for?
Aug 01st 2020
33
      Who said she needed to change?
Aug 01st 2020
36
           she's always felt betrayed by her circle?
Aug 02nd 2020
53
                No, she’s always been aggressively honest in delivery.
Aug 02nd 2020
55
Anyone have a recap?
Aug 01st 2020
9
It’s long but it’s not boring
Aug 01st 2020
11
Damn
Aug 01st 2020
10
RE: I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her
Aug 01st 2020
24
I’m not knocking her at all
Aug 01st 2020
32
She's been chewed up and spit out
Aug 01st 2020
26
      I don’t disagree
Aug 01st 2020
34
I hope we treat this with care, at least those of us who were around
Aug 01st 2020
12
No one is laughing at her, it's an exposé.
Aug 01st 2020
25
Exactly...thank you for saying this
Aug 01st 2020
31
People are doing too much gleeful co-signing about all this
Aug 02nd 2020
62
      my guy Steve!
Aug 03rd 2020
82
not like this
Aug 01st 2020
17
^
Aug 01st 2020
18
Exactly what I thought, reading that 'tribute' on the homepage.
Aug 01st 2020
28
      pretty much.
Aug 03rd 2020
95
      Damn, I just checked and it's not even
Aug 12th 2020
441
damn.... so sad to hear.
Aug 01st 2020
37
Wooo chile Jag sounds bitter as hell.
Aug 01st 2020
38
Yeah.. that’s a tough one.
Aug 01st 2020
39
but....y'all want to know ALLLLL the dirt on anybody else y'all down for...
Aug 01st 2020
40
Haha.. HS was tho? That’s too much
Aug 01st 2020
41
Because she makes it seem like everyone has the problems except her
Aug 02nd 2020
56
So the fuck what? She has every right to be bitter.
Aug 01st 2020
43
Exactly. Bitterness does not invalidate a person.
Aug 03rd 2020
76
      yea. All the insults set me aback but like you said, I get it.
Aug 03rd 2020
77
We as black women need to stop referring to other black women as
Aug 01st 2020
46
      THIS.
Aug 03rd 2020
85
Came to see if this place had gotten wind of this yet
Aug 01st 2020
42
Questlove’s words were mad corny
Aug 01st 2020
48
Sole arbiter is putting too much on it
Aug 02nd 2020
52
      The bulk of The Roots success was the live show
Aug 02nd 2020
54
           I think that's exactly what it was. The Roots formula for success was
Aug 02nd 2020
61
           They took a lot of Scott Storch production after he was hot
Aug 04th 2020
160
                RE: They took a lot of Scott Storch production after he was hot
Aug 04th 2020
161
                     You missed my point
Jan 21st 2023
598
Unfortunately, it's getting... more and more messy by the hour. Sigh
Aug 01st 2020
44
i have a feeling things are gonna get worse. Knuckles & Hubb
Aug 01st 2020
49
I just got to the part where she drags Girls High and Central into it.
Aug 01st 2020
45
I didnt hear that part...what did she say about Girls High?
Aug 02nd 2020
71
That was a lot...and seems more hurt than anything
Aug 01st 2020
47
..
Aug 01st 2020
50
This is very depressing and messy
Aug 02nd 2020
51
Everything she's saying is plausible.
Aug 02nd 2020
57
So is 'Riq about to be cancelled?
Aug 02nd 2020
58
It seemed to me that she was referencing cheating
Aug 02nd 2020
59
      I heard it as an assaulty/rapey thing.
Aug 02nd 2020
60
      I'm 12 min. into today's live and she all but said Flo Brown was raped
Aug 02nd 2020
64
      Latest video she's speaks on trying to talk Flo out of going to the poli...
Aug 02nd 2020
70
She went live again today. I wish someone would reach out to her
Aug 02nd 2020
63
Today she said Common sexually assaulted her.
Aug 02nd 2020
65
Yep. It's getting worse.
Aug 02nd 2020
66
I believe every word she's saying in the accusations.
Aug 02nd 2020
67
I believe her too. nm
Aug 02nd 2020
69
"She wants to put them out of business"
Aug 02nd 2020
68
My goodness
Aug 02nd 2020
73
Her dating 60 Second Assassin to keep dudes off her
Aug 03rd 2020
81
I support her 100% and I believe her.
Aug 02nd 2020
72
So dang near everybody is cancelled now, right?
Aug 02nd 2020
74
what attention are you seeking by asking this question twice?
Aug 03rd 2020
80
      If what she says is true and Rashid and Tariq assaulted or misconducted ...
Aug 03rd 2020
83
           My EXACT dilemma/question. Where is this going? What do we do?
Aug 03rd 2020
84
                it's a personal choice tho right?
Aug 03rd 2020
86
                     Yeah, I guess it is a choice, and I get you...
Aug 03rd 2020
116
                          wait lemme clarify myself about that "noble ones" comment
Aug 03rd 2020
156
                               hope you find peace with the situation. seems to be hitting you hard.
Aug 04th 2020
170
                                    Thank you. Yeah i found these kneegrows at 15yo, hard times
Aug 04th 2020
178
damn
Aug 03rd 2020
75
"oils....fucking OILS!?!?!"
Aug 03rd 2020
78
That shit was foul as hell
Aug 03rd 2020
79
What 15 actually said:
Aug 03rd 2020
87
      fyi the last part is missing; I saw it before it got pushed down.
Aug 03rd 2020
99
      Ok. Never saw this last part
Aug 03rd 2020
100
      I don't have any issues with. Or understand people who do
Aug 03rd 2020
104
           her expectation and mine was that Malik B would get a more
Aug 03rd 2020
107
           It's really none of our business what he chooses to share in public
Aug 03rd 2020
108
                Grief critiquing is certainly strange, to me.
Aug 03rd 2020
109
                It's such an entitled position for people to take
Aug 03rd 2020
123
                that's cool for you
Aug 03rd 2020
112
                fair, but remember the odes he penned when J Dilla died?
Aug 03rd 2020
121
                     Different people and different relationships.
Aug 03rd 2020
125
                     He didn’t honor Malik while he was alive either tho?
Aug 04th 2020
163
                     Cam, these people just want to argue...
Aug 03rd 2020
127
                          ALL OF THIS. Yes. EXACTLY! </3 Mallik B.
Aug 03rd 2020
128
                          You're right
Aug 03rd 2020
135
                               I think it's pretty disgusting that you all will Judge they way people c...
Aug 04th 2020
191
                                    I think it's pretty disgusting that you're pretending
Aug 04th 2020
237
                                    I think it's pretty disgusting that
Aug 04th 2020
242
                                    I think it's pretty disgusting that
Aug 04th 2020
243
                                    god damn right, buddy...
Aug 04th 2020
245
           THIS. Anyone beefing with how Quest has chosen to remember his...
Aug 04th 2020
208
                His poor feelings. You remember how his alias came to be?
Aug 04th 2020
246
                     this shit just dont sit right with me right now.
Aug 05th 2020
275
                     Damn that's deeply, deeply fucked up.
Aug 05th 2020
276
                     : (
Aug 05th 2020
277
                     I never knew this all these years. That motherfucker.
Aug 05th 2020
284
                     wow
Aug 05th 2020
286
                     this is what I alluded to below
Aug 05th 2020
287
                     the fuck does that have to do with how he remembers Malik B?
Aug 05th 2020
301
                     Stanley, ask yourself.
Aug 05th 2020
308
                          Stanley, don't be obtuse.
Aug 05th 2020
312
                               K
Aug 05th 2020
316
                     ?uest has always been wack as fuck though
Aug 05th 2020
302
                     Wow I never knew the history of it....
Aug 05th 2020
313
                     So the toxic moderation comes from the top down
Aug 05th 2020
318
                     Never knew this. Wow. Anyone remember what she said?
Aug 08th 2020
394
"Booty" being about Jaguar and Common is fascinating to me.
Aug 03rd 2020
88
my eyes and mouth wide open right now..
Aug 03rd 2020
89
LOL same. I didn't even see it all but just reading about all this.
Aug 03rd 2020
90
not shock or stunned about this
Aug 03rd 2020
91
Golden Boys hits different now.
Aug 03rd 2020
92
RE: Golden Boys hits different now.
Aug 03rd 2020
96
I hate gossiping but for correction's sake, Golden Boys is about Mos Def
Aug 03rd 2020
97
      yes, i was aware of that already
Aug 03rd 2020
157
Did they ?
Aug 03rd 2020
94
      song Golden Boys written by Santigold and sung by Res
Aug 03rd 2020
101
      Have you heard Golden Boy by Res?
Aug 03rd 2020
102
      I know Res had a big blow up with Talib a couple years ago
Aug 03rd 2020
114
      I know Res had a big blow up with Talib a couple years ago
Aug 03rd 2020
115
Sounds like years
Aug 03rd 2020
93
Sad but not surprising.
Aug 03rd 2020
98
This is worse than I thought it'd be.
Aug 03rd 2020
103
so bad. i'm like you..i was 20 min in looking like theres 30 fkn min LEF...
Aug 03rd 2020
119
Yea agree here entirely.
Aug 03rd 2020
122
A sister on Twitter talked about how
Aug 03rd 2020
105
lets say if Flo Brown does validate what JW has mentioned on IG
Aug 03rd 2020
113
      Who are you? nm
Aug 03rd 2020
124
im surprised ...but "conscious" men are still men
Aug 03rd 2020
106
If it's rape, its not "liking pussy like the rest of us".
Aug 03rd 2020
110
i never said it wasnt.
Aug 03rd 2020
117
i'm a man. youre a man. you nor i aint sexually assaulted nobody
Aug 03rd 2020
120
Listening to Unplugged
Aug 03rd 2020
111
She KILLED it on Heart of the City
Aug 03rd 2020
154
where can I watch this?
Aug 14th 2020
449
why would anyone doubt her statements
Aug 03rd 2020
118
Are people doubting it?
Aug 03rd 2020
126
ehhh. I've seen comments about her being an "opportunist"
Aug 03rd 2020
129
      I mean, I'm sure that's part of this.
Aug 03rd 2020
130
      Won't call her an opportunist, but this doesn't honor Malik's memory
Aug 03rd 2020
131
           Unfortunately there is truth in this
Aug 03rd 2020
132
           Yeah this is where I'm at with it. It would be one thing if she kept it
Aug 03rd 2020
136
           she's grieving on multiple fronts simultaneously
Aug 03rd 2020
138
           lmk when one of your friends dies
Aug 03rd 2020
143
           As a matter of fact I recently lost a friend. Go ahead.
Aug 03rd 2020
144
           I wouldn't do that. We have very different morals and ethics.
Aug 03rd 2020
146
                This ain't about us fam, nor morals, nor ethics.
Aug 03rd 2020
149
                     I know you have to lie to yourself about the person you are.
Aug 03rd 2020
151
           but:
Aug 04th 2020
175
                You lack understanding of nuance
Aug 04th 2020
184
                     You contradicted your point about grief critiquing.
Aug 08th 2020
395
           Maybe his death triggered all this... maybe she can't help it
Aug 03rd 2020
145
           Thank you for putting this into words
Aug 03rd 2020
147
                it's dismissive and also some bullshit, so don't feel bad
Aug 03rd 2020
148
its not about doubting her - its more like...ok and?
Aug 03rd 2020
133
      She said that Common sexually assaulted her...wtf y’all?
Aug 03rd 2020
137
      the majority of it WAS 'ok and?'
Aug 03rd 2020
139
           Which part are you saying is imagined?
Aug 03rd 2020
141
                the outsized role she thinks she played in OKP
Aug 04th 2020
164
      i think that post got deleted. and 'okay...and' is insulting
Aug 03rd 2020
140
      It's more than just shitty business practices and adultery
Aug 03rd 2020
142
      "letting folks die"
Aug 04th 2020
166
      ok. so you've been a part of this community for years
Aug 03rd 2020
155
           its the music man
Aug 04th 2020
165
                if not being worth a damn is what's normal to you
Aug 04th 2020
222
                     well as ive said repeatedly in here
Aug 04th 2020
226
black women of the early 2000s
Aug 03rd 2020
134
it's getting bad
Aug 03rd 2020
150
you can say that again
Aug 03rd 2020
153
same.
Aug 03rd 2020
158
"the tea is hot" responses on twitter are very distasteful n/m
Aug 04th 2020
159
what is deleting your account gonna do?
Aug 04th 2020
168
      it would be a compromise of my integrity to continue posting
Aug 04th 2020
173
           makes sense. ty for answering
Aug 04th 2020
174
After Watching All Three Long Videos Of Her Expose Info
Aug 03rd 2020
152
The comment section underneath the video tho WOW
Aug 04th 2020
162
has ANYBODY responded? link it if so.
Aug 04th 2020
167
Com was on IG live yesterday
Aug 07th 2020
386
Reminds me of a Jay line on Flux Capacitor
Aug 04th 2020
169
That’s a funny line coming from a guy who made a living quoting BIG
Aug 04th 2020
171
Well yeah.. Jay is far from perfect. lol
Aug 04th 2020
172
Hell of a reach but nm
Aug 04th 2020
177
      Is it?
Aug 04th 2020
179
           You've effectively said Jay owes his entire career to Biggie quotes
Aug 04th 2020
187
                I said he brought attention to himself in light of Big’s death
Aug 04th 2020
196
                     LOL thats not what you said
Aug 04th 2020
209
                          My subject line was clearly written in jest
Aug 04th 2020
211
you found the most polite way to call her a clout chaser
Aug 04th 2020
176
bruh
Aug 04th 2020
180
I definitely think she is using Malik B’s death to get attention
Aug 04th 2020
189
      this is a bad take
Aug 04th 2020
206
           how are they treating is passing exactly?
Aug 04th 2020
207
           it's not on me to judge her response
Aug 04th 2020
210
                I didn't ask you to judge her response
Aug 04th 2020
213
                     I would’ve expected Okayplayer to put it on the front page
Aug 04th 2020
215
                          sure, that's fair
Aug 04th 2020
217
                               Yes. RE: I would’ve expected Okayplayer to put it on the front page
Aug 04th 2020
232
                                    From what we've seen recently
Aug 04th 2020
247
                                         you're so right. nm
Aug 04th 2020
249
           RE: this is a bad take
Aug 04th 2020
214
oh shut the fuck up, trash heap.
Aug 04th 2020
230
sad to see the folks saying "boys will be boys" and "clout chaser"
Aug 04th 2020
181
seriously.
Aug 04th 2020
200
Yeah. And that rape is just apart of “growing up”
Aug 04th 2020
240
Dice: "Nigs from my era don’t believe in ghost writing. I never did it...
Aug 04th 2020
182
RIGHT, i guess they believe in rape, sexual assault etc.
Aug 04th 2020
183
^
Aug 04th 2020
239
RE: RIGHT, i guess they believe in rape, sexual assault etc.
Aug 04th 2020
251
      bruh I have this compilation & never listened to this song. wth! nm
Aug 04th 2020
254
           RE: bruh I have this compilation & never listened to this song. wth! nm
Aug 05th 2020
261
It’s like he’s saying
Aug 04th 2020
185
or...
Aug 04th 2020
186
I haven’t demanded anything of him
Aug 04th 2020
190
except thats not what hes saying at all SMH
Aug 04th 2020
194
I have no idea what happened, not saying I do
Aug 04th 2020
195
      huh? was dice even accused of any foul shit?
Aug 04th 2020
197
      she said Dice continued to rock with her ex husband...
Aug 04th 2020
253
      What was he accused of?
Aug 04th 2020
198
           RE: What was he accused of?
Aug 04th 2020
201
                Yeah.. she didn't really go in on Dice
Aug 04th 2020
204
                I don't think that's what he said
Aug 04th 2020
225
                     i mean, you don't know me, but OK
Aug 04th 2020
227
                          it literally does not say that but as you know, you need to feel attacke...
Aug 04th 2020
252
                               this is coming from the guy
Aug 05th 2020
262
                                    I’m here to co-sign this
Aug 05th 2020
263
                                    #metoo
Aug 06th 2020
344
                                         I love that the same exact people who deny women are being harassed
Aug 06th 2020
362
                                         remember when you were posting Daily Caller articles
Aug 06th 2020
364
                                              I made the comment he co-signed and you ain’t got shit to say to me
Aug 06th 2020
365
                                                   I apologize for not thinking enough of you to reply to you.
Aug 06th 2020
367
                                                        Don’t need you to care
Aug 06th 2020
372
                                                             do you want me to shut the fuck up or do you want me to reply to you
Aug 06th 2020
373
                                                                  It’s pretty clear I’m telling you to shut the fuck up
Aug 06th 2020
374
                                                                       cool, cuz I was worried it was affecting you emotionally
Aug 06th 2020
375
                                    Damn
Aug 05th 2020
265
                                    Some truth in this
Aug 05th 2020
267
                                    Some?
Aug 05th 2020
273
                                    nothing but the truth
Aug 06th 2020
335
                                    Ouch!
Aug 05th 2020
271
                                    factual.
Aug 05th 2020
274
                                    thank you for representing the losers, we need your perspective
Aug 05th 2020
291
                                    I was wondering how much longer "Bitch! Get back in the Kitchen" Guy
Aug 05th 2020
283
                                    "Bitch! Get back in the Kitchen" Guy
Aug 05th 2020
285
                                    where'd I say I was holier than thou?
Aug 05th 2020
288
                                         Fair. You should respond by bringing up a post where I called a woman...
Aug 05th 2020
309
                                              except, not only was it 15 years ago
Aug 05th 2020
314
                                                   AHHHH!! I am the one who is the actual abuser!!
Aug 05th 2020
317
                                                        DARVO
Aug 05th 2020
319
                                                             Anyone else seeing this?
Aug 05th 2020
320
                                                             what's new about you lying?
Aug 05th 2020
323
                                                             this Chris Brown shxt?
Aug 06th 2020
340
                                                                  being friends with people is chris brown shit?
Aug 06th 2020
359
                                                             gaslighting 101
Aug 06th 2020
330
                                                                  you mean, saying words?
Aug 06th 2020
358
                                                                       Saying contradictory words and denying the contradiction
Aug 08th 2020
396
                                                                            there's no contradiction. so....
Aug 14th 2020
450
                                                                            there's no contradiction. so....
Aug 14th 2020
451
                                                                            RE: there's no contradiction. so....
Jan 31st 2023
624
                                    so you admit nobody's attacking you and that you were lying
Aug 05th 2020
289
                                    that's all you have to say for yourself?
Aug 05th 2020
294
                                         I said you would lie about being attacked
Aug 05th 2020
295
                                              for the 2nd time
Aug 05th 2020
299
                                                   so many examples that you can't actually point out any of them
Aug 05th 2020
300
                                                        toxicity 101
Aug 06th 2020
331
                                                             who did I tell that their life sucks?
Aug 06th 2020
360
                                                                  so in order to willfully abuse the community
Aug 06th 2020
368
                                                                       many of those aren't even about specific people
Aug 06th 2020
369
                                                                            correct - what you did was far worse
Aug 08th 2020
399
                                                                            Well said
Aug 09th 2020
401
                                                                            .
Aug 10th 2020
409
                                                                            so is it a wholesale attack on the community
Aug 09th 2020
408
                                                                            keep defending your behavior in that one thread
Aug 10th 2020
412
                                                                            you should keep using this logic in your daily life
Aug 10th 2020
417
                                                                            .
Aug 10th 2020
410
                                                                            ***THE DOORS OF THE CHURCH ARE OPEN***
Aug 11th 2020
436
                                                                            Can I Venmo my offering?
Oct 08th 2020
543
                                    Big facts:
Aug 06th 2020
348
                                         I have never at any point sent you a follow or friend request
Aug 06th 2020
361
                                              weirdo response.
Aug 06th 2020
363
                                              *sets calendar for next dm from vex*
Aug 06th 2020
366
                                                   your creep dms and trolling is why you got blocked by many
Aug 10th 2020
413
                                                        ohhhh, so now you're projecting.
Aug 10th 2020
418
                                                             lol you just admitted above that you got blocked, but ok.
Aug 10th 2020
421
                                                                  ...where did I "admit" I got blocked? by who?
Aug 10th 2020
424
                                                                       keep up the good work.
Aug 10th 2020
426
                                                                            I will!
Aug 10th 2020
428
                                              Lmao ugh oh. Maybe that’s the source of all this
Aug 06th 2020
379
                                                   and vex knows it's true.
Aug 10th 2020
420
In fairness, the ghostwriting part is all he was named as a part of
Aug 11th 2020
437
What else would he speak on publicly that would benefit him?
Aug 04th 2020
188
Yet in this little interview from 2014, Black Thought confirms
Aug 04th 2020
203
i mean
Aug 04th 2020
205
That’s not ghostwriting.. that’s song writing.
Aug 04th 2020
212
this is starting to feel like "damned if you do, damned if you don't"
Aug 04th 2020
219
I'm confused about what era he's from
Aug 04th 2020
224
he appears to be suggesting that jag has mental heath issues
Aug 04th 2020
259
very sad, i hope she can find some peace n/m
Aug 04th 2020
192
"let me jump on this grenade real quick" © Tiffany Haddish
Aug 04th 2020
193
More today...”a member of the Roots told me R Kelly was none of my biz...
Aug 04th 2020
199
way too much vague BS in here
Aug 04th 2020
202
      what reason she got to lie on her kids grave for?
Aug 04th 2020
216
      didn't say she was lying
Aug 04th 2020
218
           what could the other side be to "I woke up w/ d#%k in my mouth"
Aug 04th 2020
221
                well the other side could be
Aug 04th 2020
223
                     Or it could be....
Aug 04th 2020
228
                          PFFFT - yo tell that to jag
Aug 04th 2020
229
      Re: R. Kelly, she said he had them (Roots members) going
Aug 05th 2020
264
Maaaaan.....
Aug 04th 2020
220
What if this IS it?
Aug 04th 2020
231
      Then so be it.....
Aug 04th 2020
233
           first of all
Aug 04th 2020
234
Y'all still cheerleading this shit?
Aug 04th 2020
235
Well umm... she is having an open forum for women tomorrow
Aug 04th 2020
236
She still hasn't really explained how she was abused by them
Aug 04th 2020
238
      Yes she has.
Aug 04th 2020
241
           Keep us posted on when she has the women's forum.
Aug 05th 2020
270
           Two Questions
Aug 05th 2020
278
                Most of that is industry rule 4080 shit.
Aug 05th 2020
280
                except that to her, these aren't "record company people"
Aug 05th 2020
292
                     But it is industry 4080 shit
Aug 05th 2020
298
                          Wait yea what's this Eve story ? Don't think I ever heard it.
Aug 05th 2020
303
                          Supposedly Eve was supposed to be in the You Got Me video
Aug 05th 2020
315
                               lol damn. That's cold.
Aug 05th 2020
324
                                    Here is how it’s explained
Aug 06th 2020
328
                                         I never had an issue with that situation
Aug 06th 2020
329
                                              I think people (myself included) have a hard time accepting...
Aug 06th 2020
341
                                                   Exactly
Aug 06th 2020
343
                                                        lol @ you having an intelligent, well thought, nuanced reply
Aug 06th 2020
345
                          I have no interest in telling someone what they experienced isn't abuse
Aug 06th 2020
336
                it's weird how buddy has different definitions of abuse
Aug 05th 2020
297
I'm struggling with how all of this honors Malik
Aug 05th 2020
279
      two things have been happening at once
Aug 05th 2020
290
      Comm should definitely respond. Especially after his book.
Aug 05th 2020
293
           I don't think any of them will respond.
Aug 05th 2020
322
           Word. That'd be weak af on their parts.
Aug 05th 2020
325
           Common did respond
Dec 24th 2023
667
                Well I'm glad that's settled
Dec 24th 2023
668
                ok
Dec 26th 2023
669
"15" isnt so funny anymore
Aug 04th 2020
244
thanks. someone told me the story of 15 the other day
Aug 04th 2020
248
Shit. I forgot that was the reason for 15.
Aug 04th 2020
250
hell this makes me want to revisit the Eve story
Aug 04th 2020
258
      Just asked about this above - what happened ?
Aug 05th 2020
304
           Quite honestly, I can't remember what the bottom line was
Aug 17th 2020
456
Don't laugh - how do I watch without and Instagram acct?
Aug 04th 2020
255
her page isnt locked, anyone can watch
Aug 05th 2020
260
      As of April 2020: Instagram no longer allows people without an account
Aug 05th 2020
266
      Where's the one with the Common story ?
Aug 05th 2020
269
           RE: Where's the one with the Common story ?
Aug 05th 2020
282
                Damn that's fucked up. Also had no idea he dated Lauryn Hill.
Aug 05th 2020
305
                BTW who is the other chick on the live ? Just listening for an hour ? LO...
Aug 05th 2020
307
      RE: her page isnt locked, anyone can watch
Aug 05th 2020
281
Forget the ghost writing, the sexual misconduct is what's disturbing
Aug 04th 2020
257
Shit is dangerous ... driving and recording a video at the same time
Aug 05th 2020
268
Never understood the obsession with driving and recording
Aug 05th 2020
272
Kweli IG: "If you ain't hear it from the squad then your info faulty AF"
Aug 05th 2020
306
Why do you think this is related?
Aug 05th 2020
310
      I said "I wonder," not "I think."
Aug 05th 2020
311
      Banks has rep for being saying and doing wild shit.
Aug 05th 2020
321
      Oh and what's the Azelia story ? Never heard it I don't think.
Aug 05th 2020
326
      she said they slept together. that's not an accusation.
Aug 06th 2020
332
           Dave is married.
Aug 06th 2020
333
                you said accuse as if these weren't two consenting adults
Aug 06th 2020
334
                Not sure why what i said was controversial
Aug 06th 2020
338
                     Dave literally has jokes in his routine about getting his dick sucked by...
Aug 06th 2020
346
                adultery isn't part of 'the movement'
Aug 06th 2020
337
                     yeah she only had compliments for dave lol
Aug 06th 2020
339
                          I have a hard time believing Banks on this one
Aug 06th 2020
342
                               i kinda dont. i could see Dave being on some "aw fuck it" shit
Aug 06th 2020
351
                                    I googled to check her and she said Ye was a closeted homosexual
Aug 06th 2020
355
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Aug 06th 2020
327
so much wrong with this post
Aug 06th 2020
347
that's okp for you. Women's pain gets no care here. never has
Aug 06th 2020
349
Energy can not be created, nor destroyed,
Aug 06th 2020
350
      plus the slut-shaming of Erykah & Jill...... iono man....
Aug 06th 2020
352
      ^^^^JW Lucas
Aug 06th 2020
354
      You're loud and wrong
Aug 06th 2020
356
      She said a lot
Aug 06th 2020
357
      energy can be controlled though
Aug 06th 2020
376
she killed this marvin tho
Aug 06th 2020
353
gul can SANG
Aug 06th 2020
371
That she did!
Aug 06th 2020
380
Flo Brown
Aug 06th 2020
377
that's the part the I didn't think Jag should've included.
Aug 06th 2020
378
A week later and her videos haven't stopped
Aug 07th 2020
381
I unfollowed. .... it's something else entirely now....
Aug 07th 2020
382
      yeah i'm not down with the slut shaming and trashing women's looks
Aug 07th 2020
383
Fuck #METOO, Cosby didn't do it, women drug themselves - Jag
Aug 07th 2020
384
She needs to take a break
Aug 07th 2020
385
she said that?
Aug 07th 2020
387
RE: she said that?
Aug 07th 2020
388
      "digging up the roots"
Aug 07th 2020
389
      and who the fuck is she doing these lives w/?
Aug 07th 2020
390
      this is a whole train wreck.
Aug 07th 2020
391
This what I been sayin.....
Aug 08th 2020
400
admitted mental health issues and lack of good logic on a topic
Aug 09th 2020
402
      RE: lack of good logic on a topic
Aug 09th 2020
403
           to say Bill Cosby isnt a rapist is saying x amount of women lied
Aug 09th 2020
405
                This whole thing has been about calling people liars
Aug 09th 2020
406
                     you cant be serious, chief
Aug 10th 2020
416
Her claim about hooking up with a band member to avoid being raped
Aug 07th 2020
392
I dont think that was said or really implied
Aug 07th 2020
393
      You’re right. She didn’t say it.
Aug 08th 2020
397
Pathetic. Well and truly pathetic. Nm
Aug 08th 2020
398
Shout out to fontgangsta for reply 262 and 399
Aug 09th 2020
404
Yeah, fontgangsta won
Aug 10th 2020
411
imagine having to tell yourself someone else won
Aug 10th 2020
419
Word. Apparently the oversight ain't worth a damn either, so you're righ...
Aug 10th 2020
433
RE: Shout out to fontgangsta for reply 262 and 399
Aug 15th 2020
455
Jag: "wants Shawn Gee to resign, then she'll leave The Roots alone"
Aug 09th 2020
407
She took the longest route possible to get here
Aug 10th 2020
414
Seems reasonable (emoji shrug)
Aug 10th 2020
415
damn that's a name I haven't seen on the boards in a minute, he actually...
Aug 11th 2020
434
I prayed for sis this morning
Aug 10th 2020
422
One thing about this that has always bothered me...
Aug 10th 2020
425
Common is from the midwest
Aug 10th 2020
427
      I’m just saying
Aug 10th 2020
430
      But he owned his masters
Aug 10th 2020
431
      wait, what?
Aug 11th 2020
435
      What, what?
Aug 11th 2020
440
           then entire premise and logic of post 427 is faulty lol
Aug 13th 2020
445
                Nah nah nah naaahhhh
Aug 14th 2020
452
      Being from the Midwest is no guarantee you'll like a Master P movie
Aug 11th 2020
438
           Never said it was guaranteed
Aug 11th 2020
439
as I said above
Aug 10th 2020
432
cops shot somebody outside the WH...
Aug 10th 2020
423
that nigga is your okp father figure and you're older than him.
Aug 10th 2020
429
So, the saga continues. Jag just drove to Philly.
Aug 13th 2020
442
for what?
Aug 13th 2020
443
To give him his nuts back?
Aug 13th 2020
446
lol
Aug 13th 2020
444
RE: So, the saga continues. Jag just drove to Philly.
Aug 13th 2020
447
we should probalby turn this show off for a while
Aug 13th 2020
448
Re: flo brown & 15ok alias: where Wallace at string, huh? Where Wallace...
Aug 15th 2020
454
Archive!
Aug 17th 2020
457
^^^^
Aug 20th 2020
462
Summer Walker called Jag a weirdo and said she's gonna pray for her.
Aug 17th 2020
458
Damn this makes me feel even more :-/ about the Flo Brown thing.
Aug 17th 2020
459
      RE: Damn this makes me feel even more :-/ about the Flo Brown thing.
Aug 17th 2020
460
Jill Scott’s on IG
Aug 18th 2020
461
I understand grieving.. I don’t understand trying to take everyone
Aug 20th 2020
463
She's still going.....
Sep 28th 2020
464
Pretty sad
Sep 28th 2020
465
Sheesh
Sep 28th 2020
466
      Makes you wonder why she stopped getting work
Sep 28th 2020
469
           i dunno
Sep 28th 2020
471
This has taken a terribly sad and tragic turn.
Sep 28th 2020
467
yeup. her message is unfortunately compromised
Sep 28th 2020
468
word. same,
Sep 28th 2020
470
I think she got addicted to (Instagram) limelight
Sep 28th 2020
474
Don't abandon her now.
Sep 28th 2020
472
nuance means two things can be right at once
Sep 28th 2020
473
      pretty much. that sums it up perfectly.
Sep 28th 2020
475
      Differently put...
Sep 28th 2020
476
           ok white man
Sep 28th 2020
477
           You white too?
Sep 29th 2020
478
           I'm googlable &amp; have personally interacted with people in this post
Sep 29th 2020
479
                Yes or no
Sep 29th 2020
480
                ^^^^^^This question
Sep 29th 2020
481
                     What have I said to make you think I'm white?
Sep 29th 2020
482
                          You haven't included a passport scan bro
Sep 29th 2020
483
                          Nothing
Sep 29th 2020
484
                          No white man would guard black men from accountability like you do
Sep 29th 2020
485
                          Be that as it may, at least I'm sincere
Sep 29th 2020
487
                               words have meanings. no one came in here with an agenda
Sep 29th 2020
495
                                    So you contend that her words changed?
Sep 29th 2020
496
                                         I contend that the word agenda has a meaning
Sep 29th 2020
501
                          All you had to say is I’m Black and that would be enough for me
Sep 29th 2020
486
                               I'm telling you my resume while arguing
Sep 29th 2020
488
                idk if mans is white or not
Sep 29th 2020
489
                     What ?
Sep 29th 2020
490
                          Now see.. this is reckless.. lol
Sep 29th 2020
492
                          Yep
Sep 29th 2020
493
                          he said to google him
Sep 29th 2020
505
           meaning you want words to mean what you want them to mean LOL
Sep 29th 2020
497
                He said some bullshit
Sep 29th 2020
498
                     you're all over the place
Sep 29th 2020
502
                          So it was initially for healing, now its for attention. Ok.
Sep 29th 2020
503
                               where did I imply anything was done for healing?
Sep 29th 2020
504
Damn. Everyone lost in this post.
Sep 29th 2020
491
I’m surprised some people actually admitted she went too far
Sep 29th 2020
494
i mean.....
Sep 29th 2020
499
Looks like she went Jaguar...Wrong somewhere
Oct 07th 2020
538
this was posted 2 days ago...
Sep 29th 2020
500
all these extra stories are taking attention away from her
Sep 29th 2020
506
      RE: all these extra stories are bringing attention to her
Sep 30th 2020
507
           One thing you have to remember is you can’t take everyone with you
Oct 01st 2020
509
                oh you're an industry expert now
Oct 01st 2020
512
Nah, shes just insulting people at this point ...
Oct 01st 2020
508
Nah, she's honoring Malik's legacy
Oct 01st 2020
510
      Lmao.. yeah, a lot of L’s in this post
Oct 01st 2020
511
           what L's
Oct 01st 2020
513
           She’s grieving, she’s not bitter, everything she is saying sounds tr...
Oct 07th 2020
531
                I searched the word bitter
Oct 07th 2020
536
                     Nah.. she threw it all away
Oct 08th 2020
540
           I always felt like this too...
Oct 02nd 2020
514
Talib's response
Oct 03rd 2020
515
Good for him
Oct 06th 2020
516
what about this is respectable?
Oct 06th 2020
517
Messy.. this is why you shouldn’t respond
Oct 07th 2020
518
Is there any reason why Jaguar Wright's account should be believed over
Oct 07th 2020
519
You know why.. lol
Oct 07th 2020
520
He just spent the entire summer cyberbullying a woman online
Oct 07th 2020
521
cyberbullying a woman who laughed at “broke niggas”
Oct 07th 2020
522
I missed the part where you disagreed
Oct 07th 2020
524
      Nice projection
Oct 07th 2020
530
           It was not a back and forth
Oct 07th 2020
532
                You really don’t think she was playing the long game of a gofundme?
Oct 07th 2020
534
Cyberbullying ?
Oct 07th 2020
527
      I followed him on IG, I had to unfollow him
Oct 07th 2020
528
           Did you follow the woman on twitter ?
Oct 07th 2020
529
                IMO, it looks like pattern of behavior on Kweli's part
Oct 07th 2020
533
                     That's one sided.
Oct 07th 2020
535
                          The expectations for a conscious rapper are pretty hilarious
Oct 08th 2020
539
                               I think this is just the expectation on black men
Oct 08th 2020
541
                               True indeed
Oct 08th 2020
542
                               Is it really? You made a living off of being someone who's thoughful
Oct 08th 2020
544
                                    Slipping how ?
Oct 08th 2020
545
                                         outside of the several women accusing him of harassment? nothing much
Oct 09th 2020
549
                                              Question about harassment...
Oct 09th 2020
554
                                                   Did you try telling the mods?
Oct 09th 2020
555
                                                        Y’all stupid.. lol
Oct 09th 2020
556
nope. jag is long past the point of believability
Oct 07th 2020
523
ummm...there isnt that much discrepancy
Oct 07th 2020
525
      This is why this goes this way......
Oct 07th 2020
526
           I dont want to assume or misread you. what are you saying about Meg?
Oct 07th 2020
537
Why is this fool still allowed to make statements?
Oct 08th 2020
546
Huh? Why wouldn’t he be allowed to speak?
Oct 09th 2020
548
I Will Say I Do Agree With Him About Two Things
Oct 08th 2020
547
All this huffing and puffing but doesn't have $2 for a McMuffin
Oct 09th 2020
550
This isn’t funny
Oct 09th 2020
551
      But seriously I see a YT channel already that has 4 million views off
Oct 09th 2020
552
           She prolly will circle back and cuss them out too
Oct 09th 2020
553
                It takes like 30 minute to just create your own YT Channel
Oct 09th 2020
557
                     Lmao at thinking a neo soul artist like Jag can create a YT page
Oct 10th 2020
558
RE: Jaguar Wright...
Oct 10th 2020
559
We still believing anything Jaguar Wright says?
Jan 16th 2023
560
She still saying shit ?
Jan 16th 2023
561
she's talking about a number of people.
Jan 16th 2023
562
      she threw her sons urn on a guy?!!!
Jan 17th 2023
564
           I thought or hoped you misspelled urine
Jan 17th 2023
566
                apparently she was fighting her husband.
Jan 17th 2023
569
                     yeah, this is awful
Jan 17th 2023
576
                     Maaaan, Jay-Z , let alone Beyonce aint thinking about
Jan 17th 2023
584
                          I'm blaming this board for making me miss a trivia question
Jan 24th 2023
604
                               Don't blame us, you SHOULD be blaming Jay-Z and Beyonce
Feb 01st 2023
634
Somebody I know was recently linking her vids on IG lol
Jan 17th 2023
563
You should know like I know…
Jan 17th 2023
565
someone recently posted if we should trust Jaguar or Keith Murray’s st...
Jan 17th 2023
567
I don’t think that you can trust most artists…
Jan 17th 2023
572
so she's Umar Johnson?
Jan 17th 2023
568
RE: so she's Umar Johnson?
Jan 17th 2023
573
There is "some truth in a lie!"?!?
Jan 17th 2023
570
RE: There is "some truth in a lie!"?!?
Jan 17th 2023
574
Yeah man. That sounds like you believed what you wanted to believe.
Jan 17th 2023
579
      she's a loose canon.
Jan 17th 2023
581
      But she is clearly saying untrue things though.
Jan 17th 2023
582
           she has no credibility, but there will always be those that believe
Jan 17th 2023
583
      RE: Yeah man. That sounds like you believed what you wanted to believe....
Feb 06th 2023
651
Depending on the wording Big L being murdered is technically true
Jan 17th 2023
577
LOL and you're calling other people "stoopid" ?! Sheeeeeit.
Jan 17th 2023
571
      Here comes your dumb ass bringing up the rear
Jan 17th 2023
575
Didnt Hub end up suing the Roots?
Jan 17th 2023
578
      I am not surprised ex-members and people once affiliated with them
Jan 17th 2023
580
havent kept up with this but
Jan 17th 2023
585
that's easy.
Jan 17th 2023
586
okay, thanks
Jan 18th 2023
591
Man you got to walk us through how this logic works.
Jan 17th 2023
587
so she's a liar
Jan 18th 2023
589
Is this your 1st day here?
Jan 18th 2023
594
lol
Jan 18th 2023
593
LOL
Jan 17th 2023
588
because she was part of the Roots crew back in the day
Jan 18th 2023
590
so it's gossipy internal stuff
Jan 18th 2023
592
okay, whatever
Jan 18th 2023
596
She's beefing with her husband and running around with a dude from a
Jan 18th 2023
595
well. this thread aged terribly. she really aint all the way there :/
Jan 18th 2023
597
Yeah, shocker that someone committing career suicide might be unwell.
Jan 23rd 2023
599
      mofos dipped quick once she went off the rails
Jan 23rd 2023
600
           what are folks supposed to do? lol
Jan 23rd 2023
601
           correct.. but it reminded me so much of her career
Jan 24th 2023
606
           This whole thing started off relatively reasonable. Messy, but
Jan 24th 2023
602
                I always thought her initial point was always trash.
Jan 24th 2023
603
                aren’t you the one who said you judge how people treat death’s
Jan 24th 2023
605
                I said I judge how people treat the death of my love one.
Jan 24th 2023
609
                     I disagree on this one simply for the fact that fans of a group
Jan 26th 2023
614
                ^^^Yep. Said this way up in #104 (and #108)
Jan 24th 2023
608
                Exactly
Jan 26th 2023
616
                To be clear, I wasn’t saying she started off “right” or with a goo...
Jan 24th 2023
610
                the problem is most of us didn’t know her condition
Jan 24th 2023
607
                     Can't certain assumptions me made off of behavior tho?
Jan 26th 2023
615
                          maybe.. I think day 1 it was easy to fall for it because she was mournin...
Jan 26th 2023
617
That fight video was a hard watch... so much anger coming out
Jan 25th 2023
611
fight video? wtf
Jan 25th 2023
612
      lawd.. that was awful
Jan 25th 2023
613
Jaguar vs TSA
Jan 31st 2023
619
Jeezus.
Jan 31st 2023
620
That was ugly.
Jan 31st 2023
621
"do you need help carrying it?"
Feb 01st 2023
631
      lol yea that cracked me up, too, for sure.
Feb 01st 2023
633
Instagram needs to block her account
Feb 01st 2023
626
that's what she get for flying out of midway.
Feb 01st 2023
630
lets not get carried away here. midway is way better than o'hare!
Feb 07th 2023
655
      lol. was waiting for this response-
Feb 10th 2023
666
Dang! This is so so sad.
Feb 07th 2023
657
Are We As Humans More Prone to Violence & Anger?
Jan 31st 2023
622
Well, look at chimps; our closest 'ancestors' in the animal world.
Jan 31st 2023
623
I think if you are raised in trauma and violence, then all you know how ...
Feb 01st 2023
625
How Does That Explain Those Who Haven't Grown Up
Feb 01st 2023
628
      some people crazy
Feb 01st 2023
629
      Do you have examples of that?
Feb 01st 2023
632
           RE: There's a Whole Series on Mass Murderers from Good Homes
Feb 02nd 2023
639
if you grow up around violence
Feb 01st 2023
627
I went through this post and spent a lot of time here yesterday
Feb 02nd 2023
635
yeah.. we started in Richmond in 97
Feb 02nd 2023
636
      Yeah so we probably know a few of the same people
Feb 02nd 2023
637
           if you did open mics you knew Lorna (RIP)
Feb 02nd 2023
638
                I knew Lorna and traveled with her a lot when she expanded to DC
Feb 02nd 2023
640
                Whoa.. you dated Kleph? I was shocked to hear he passed.
Feb 02nd 2023
642
                     I met Kleph in 99
Feb 02nd 2023
644
                          Damn.. sorry to hear that
Feb 03rd 2023
650
                Here is the song Bear produced.
Feb 02nd 2023
641
                     nice. Check your inbox
Feb 02nd 2023
643
                     Subscribed and added to my playlist
Feb 02nd 2023
645
                     This is you ?? What a beautiful voice !!
Feb 03rd 2023
646
                     Yes and thank you. I wrote it in 2002 and recorded it in Philly
Feb 03rd 2023
647
                     damn! this is REALLY good!!!
Feb 03rd 2023
648
                     Thanks Fam!
Feb 03rd 2023
649
                     Like Whoa!
Feb 06th 2023
652
                     Wow this song is good. And your story has been on my mind all day.
Feb 07th 2023
653
                     Richmond was a special place during the late 90’s
Feb 07th 2023
654
                          I got there in 99
Feb 08th 2023
658
                               Never made it to Tropical Soul for Versus
Feb 08th 2023
660
                                    Yes I went to the funeral and it was something special. A great turnout
Feb 08th 2023
661
                                    we were all on one back then
Feb 09th 2023
664
                                    Some rough footage from Wednesday Verses in DC at Bohemian Caverns
Feb 08th 2023
662
                     wow. this is beautiful
Feb 07th 2023
656
                     Thank you
Feb 08th 2023
659
                     dope.
Feb 09th 2023
663
                          Thank you
Feb 09th 2023
665

naame
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All the tea spilt

  

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it has...... hoh bwey

  

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Cawazy

  

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618. "Here for the BS too..."
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smh






You don't impress me!!




RIP Reggie...I love you!! http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb449/Mynewstuff2011/RegLover.jpg



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6. "She didn't make okayplayer famous. We did."
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The people who posted here did that.

The people who loved the music.

The nerds and the fat girls. The outcasts and weirdos.

Before it was cool.

We bought in. Hit them shows. Supported the music and broke down the lyrics. Online like it was our jobs.

Not the roots, not Badu, not Jill Scott, not common and most certainly not jaguar wright.

We did that.

That's my only take away from her screed.

  

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8. "If we gonna tell it"
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Us telling y'all what was going on Sunday and Tuesday at Black Lily is what got this spot poppin'

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

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13. "as usual, you dont know what you're talking about"
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>Not the roots, not Badu, not Jill Scott, not common and most
>certainly not jaguar wright.
>
>We did that.

  

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15. "No I do. I was there too."
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Every day too.

Tell yourself that it was jag wright who made saying okayplayer at a show a thing if you want and be wrong.

Black Lily as an event...hella dope. Great experiences and all that.

But this preceded that and the so called "stars" that would come on the boards to do whatever they did.

That's abt all I have to contribute the rest of what she said I have no comment abt whatsoever

And carry on


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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atruhead
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16. "this board was a very niche place"
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Im sure things happening outside of being online (like a whole tour named after the brand) were more important than Binlahab's fantasies of being an integral part of history

  

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Binlahab
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19. "Glad to see some things will never change."
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That tour named after the "brand" was supported by who again?

The people on that niche website

Who were yelling okayplayer before black Lily and what not

Of whom yes I was one and unfortunately so were you

Jag wright hella talented and deserves all the props

But no. She did not make okayplayer famous.

Again...we the people who came to the site day after day did.

Which is very logical and utterly inarguable however I'm sure you will figure out a way to do so

With yourself tho


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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atruhead
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20. "Black Lilly started the late summer after this place begun that spring"
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Sat Aug-01-20 10:45 AM by atruhead

  

          

>That tour named after the "brand" was supported by who
>again?
>
>The people on that niche website
>
>Who were yelling okayplayer before black Lily and what not


you're already loud and wrong


>Of whom yes I was one and unfortunately so were you

you got here roughly 2000. the 2001 All Star game is when you became "relevant" if that matters on a message board


>But no. She did not make okayplayer famous.

>Again...we the people who came to the site day after day did.

I dont think Okayplayer was ever famous (it gained more steam for a recent company scandal than anything else), but I think Jaguar Wright is more important to the story than Binlahab


>Which is very logical and utterly inarguable however I'm sure
>you will figure out a way to do so
>
>With yourself tho

people who know Binlahab: posters from here and (former) posters from here who shit on Binlahab in secret Facebook groups

people who know the name Jaguar Wright: posters here who were around for that era, much of the Philadelphia music scene, The Roots and their extended family tree, etc.

needless to say, we're distracting from this woman's pain because Binlahab needs to feel important to the Okayplayer community


  

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21. "The only person mentioning my name as usual...is you."
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I got here in 99.

My relevance to okp (lol) or anywhere else is immaterial.

I didn't say ME. but you read me. That's fine.

Also the so called secret Facebook groups? Not that secret.

🤷🏿‍♂️

I hear it or see it all. You and your ilk have been the same whorish cowards for 20 yrs.

I know because I said this to you...20 yrs ago.

Nothing changes. Keep my name on your fingertips like the sad girl you are.


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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atruhead
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22. "sir, your opening was "She didn't make okayplayer famous. We did""
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>I didn't say ME. but you read me. That's fine.

I dont know that I need to apologize for reading your "we did this" as a self-important and unnecessary addition to the equation


>Also the so called secret Facebook groups? Not that secret.
>I hear it or see it all. You and your ilk have been the same
>whorish cowards for 20 yrs.


I left Facebook for good in February. I never participated in any of it, Im not a part of any "ilk", I can count my close friends from here on one hand. but when I lurked for a few days the consensus was "(Binlahab's real name) is a piece of shit, we banned him from here"


>I know because I said this to you...20 yrs ago.

cool, Im a whorish coward for holding you accountable and correcting you on how much you matter compared to an artist's personal account.



>Nothing changes. Keep my name on your fingertips like the sad
>girl you are.

it sounds like you need to feel persecuted, take that up with the man upstairs



  

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Binlahab
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23. "Wtf are you the okp police? Hold your kids accountable "
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You're not my dad atruhead

https://youtu.be/cQZSl4E_hjM


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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29. "Come on men..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOe6g9OFd3g

  

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30. "keep being a clown, dont let me stop you"
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35. "RE: The only person mentioning my name as usual...is you."
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you two lol

  

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256. "PREACH!"
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7. "Well.. she hasn’t changed. lol"
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I’m sure all of it is true..

Fame yo.. definitely makes people do ugly things.

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27. "Yep"
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Wholly authentic

  

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33. "what she need to change for?"
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fuck your condescending ass

  

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36. "Who said she needed to change? "
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She’s always been this way. I watched her come up at Black Lily from 2001 to 2005.

Y’all being weird and coming in looking for a fight.

Maybe slow down a bit next time.

(I know, curse words, curse words)



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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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53. "she's always felt betrayed by her circle?"
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"I see she hasn't changed lol" has a tone of finding this humorous

  

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55. "No, she’s always been aggressively honest in delivery. "
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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9. "Anyone have a recap?"
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11. "It’s long but it’s not boring"
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She talks about a lot of people, and spills a lot of personal stuff.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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10. "Damn"
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I’ll say this, she is an incredible performer. I love her fire, that was a lot though. Stay is a good song. Just from watching that video though, I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her. I mean, damn. PS people hate on that Oxnard album but that shit is fire.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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24. "RE: I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her"
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>Just from watching that video though, I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her. I mean, damn.

this is a bad take.

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32. "I’m not knocking her at all"
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and I believe her. Maybe it is a bad take, but she’s putting stuff out there that is going to hurt people who aren’t involved. I don’t blame her, and I have a lot of respect for her. So yes, I could have chosen better words.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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26. "She's been chewed up and spit out"
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Which you had to have recognized watching the video.
But the next video she posted, live at midnight, was a tribute in her home. She's apparently opened it up as an artists space for creatives. Seen in it are a bunch of young talented people eagerly working with her to perform an impromptu tribute to Malik Abdul Basit...on the day of his Janazah.

  

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34. "I don’t disagree"
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I feel for her. Generally I’m against airing out people’s private business, but sometimes it needs to be done.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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12. "I hope we treat this with care, at least those of us who were around"
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she's getting out her pain how she sees fit
but it shouldnt be a source of gossip or anything to laugh at

it hits a lot of sensitive topics for me. mental health, she feels a sense of betrayal and loyalty to Malik B

out of common decency I wont comment any further, suffice to say I've felt a lot of what she conveyed for a long time

  

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25. "No one is laughing at her, it's an exposé."
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Pulling away a facade to show the corrosion within.
OKPs foundation and initial success included women...Angie made this place, Black Lilly was a showcase for women performers, these boards used to be at least evenly split by gender. All of that is gone, it didn't happen for no reason. Most of the stories she details are descriptions providing insight into the erosion of this woman free place and the exploitative way with which it was done. Look at how this current iteration of the place just went through scandal over similar issues with the former CEO.
But, the point of her divulging these things wasn't even about that, it's an effort to achieve proper recognition of Malik Abdul Basit's death...beyond that horrible article on the homepage and the seemingly unimportant IG musings by two people, or lack of acknowledgement at all publicly by many others.

  

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31. "Exactly...thank you for saying this"
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I 100% agree...she's in pain and mourning...

  

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62. "People are doing too much gleeful co-signing about all this"
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to serve their own purposes, feelings and agendas...

You're right none of this should be amusing, it's all sad.

  

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82. "my guy Steve!"
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17. "not like this "
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Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
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18. "^"
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not. like. this.

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28. "Exactly what I thought, reading that 'tribute' on the homepage."
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95. "pretty much."
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441. "Damn, I just checked and it's not even "
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on the homepage anymore.

  

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37. "damn.... so sad to hear. "
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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38. "Wooo chile Jag sounds bitter as hell."
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I didn’t watch all of it but to get on the Roots for paying her $500 instead of $2500, ma’am you accepted that rate don’t get on them after the fact.

And to reveal apparently Jill got it in in high school is so messy and not cool and it is not cool also she said Jill was mad at the Roots.

So messy.

  

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39. "Yeah.. that’s a tough one. "
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$500 to be on stage or nah? Either you have someone else who pays more or you accept it.

She was ahead of her time. No one was cussing like that on R&B cuts back then.

and why she have to talk about Jill in HS like that? We all had our moments in HS. That wasn’t cool. Just stick the the biz and not the petty shit.

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40. "but....y'all want to know ALLLLL the dirt on anybody else y'all down for..."
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not sure how anyone can watch her speak her peace and come away with such a dismissive hot take....


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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41. "Haha.. HS was tho? That’s too much"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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56. "Because she makes it seem like everyone has the problems except her"
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>not sure how anyone can watch her speak her peace and come
>away with such a dismissive hot take....
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."
>"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

I am generally dismissive of people that are looking to pull a whole bunch of people down when things don't go their way. I guess I'll have to wait for her book so she can be more specific and tell the story in a linear fashion.

  

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43. "So the fuck what? She has every right to be bitter."
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I wish people would stop using things like "bitter" to minimize what's being expressed.
She's obviously been deeply hurt by people she cared about. She's been used and cast aside by people she supported. She can be bitter. That's fine. That don't make her a liar.

--

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76. "Exactly. Bitterness does not invalidate a person. "
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It's a perfectly valid way to feel if you've been messed over.

Now I do think there are spots where she's a bit extra, but I can understand her view.
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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77. "yea. All the insults set me aback but like you said, I get it."
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>Now I do think there are spots where she's a bit extra, but I
>can understand her view.
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>"To Each His Reach"
>
>but.....
>
>Fuck aliens.


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About my people she was teachin' me..."

  

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46. "We as black women need to stop referring to other black women as"
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“bitter.” It’s become yet another way to be misogynistic and undermine our legitimate critiques. I’m from Philly and the stuff Jag has been saying has been whispered quietly for years. I wish her well and hope that her words inspire these folks to be better and do the right thing by Malik. Inshallah.

I do agree with what you said about Jill even though she’s problematic as hell.

  

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85. "THIS. "
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42. "Came to see if this place had gotten wind of this yet"
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I believe everything she says.

What I don't like is that she's made herself the arbiter of what giving Malik his "proper shine" looks like, though I do think Questlove's IG "tribute" was wack as fuck.

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48. "Questlove’s words were mad corny"
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I stopped reading it.

  

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52. "Sole arbiter is putting too much on it"
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I don’t think anyone who knew Malik’s contribution to the band thought that oils anecdote was adequate. Other people Jag called out did no tribute whatsoever. I think she has a valid position in that dude deserves better. Thought’s IG Post was decent. I’m still confused why they couldn’t work with Malik more. There are members of rock bands with way more issues than Malik who still stay involved in their bands. I remember a story about Malik only wanting to do East Coast dates but I never understood why that meant he couldn’t still rock on a few album cuts per album.

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54. "The bulk of The Roots success was the live show"
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That could’ve played a part in the moves they made regarding Malik B being on more songs.




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61. "I think that's exactly what it was. The Roots formula for success was "
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>That could’ve played a part in the moves they made
>regarding Malik B being on more songs.

100 shows in a year all over the world. It wasn't the Roots record sales, or this site that kept them well fed. None of the Motive records releases had a breakout record, so they weren't eating off that either. Seems like anyone who couldn't keep up with a highly organized and strict program got pushed to the side.

  

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160. "They took a lot of Scott Storch production after he was hot"
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They also feature a gang of cameos from people who are unlikely to join them on tour. You think Questo would turn down an André 3000 collab just because he couldn’t perform it live? I don’t think that logic works with how Questo and the gang have moved in the past. Even for guys like PORN, I’ve never seen him at a Roots show and I’ve been to at least ten. Ditto for even a more well known contributor like Dice.


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161. "RE: They took a lot of Scott Storch production after he was hot"
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Key word is AFTER he was hot. What’s funny is Dr. Dre invited their crew to his studio when they were on tour and they laughed it off. Everyone except Scott Storch. He went to meet Dre and the rest is history. But you don’t need a producer to go on tour.

>They also feature a gang of cameos from people who are
>unlikely to join them on tour. You think Questo would turn
>down an André 3000 collab just because he couldn’t perform
>it live?

Having cameos is different than having a founding member on a bunch of records who won’t tour. Speaking of 3000.

One of the things JW points out is clout chasing. No shade to Philly artist but it’s just good biz to have cameos from hot acts on an album. They are trying to sell records too.

I don’t think that logic works with how Questo and
>the gang have moved in the past. Even for guys like PORN,
>I’ve never seen him at a Roots show and I’ve been to at
>least ten. Ditto for even a more well known contributor like
>Dice.

Again, these other people you make are just Philly cats (no shade). It’s way different than having the original sound of the 2 emcees who started the group but only BT doing the live shows.

Just my opinion.

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598. "You missed my point "
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>
> I don’t think that logic works with how Questo and
>>the gang have moved in the past. Even for guys like PORN,
>>I’ve never seen him at a Roots show and I’ve been to at
>>least ten. Ditto for even a more well known contributor like
>>Dice.
>
>Again, these other people you make are just Philly cats (no
>shade). It’s way different than having the original sound of
>the 2 emcees who started the group but only BT doing the live
>shows.
>

My point was, Porn and Dice have made multiple appearances on wax and I’ve never seen them perform at a Roots show (I’ve been to many in DC, one of their major markets, and even one in New Orleans). So if not touring with the band is a disqualifier for cameos, having Porn and Dice and Truck North and Scott Storch contribute in the studio, but not join on the road, makes me wonder why they couldn’t have gotten more Malik B verses. I’m not saying feature him on every song, I’m saying a cameo every other album on like one song.

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44. "Unfortunately, it's getting... more and more messy by the hour. Sigh"
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She released a song about BT... and a new post about 15.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDXLalzlnFs/


I listened to the several IG vids around noon today after waking up to see someone tweeting about JW and "spilling tea". I instantly thought it was about the OKP situation and/or Talib. But it wasn't... (I went back to the first video she shared a few days ago mourning Malik and worked my way to current time) and I'm still digesting it all. It's a lot. It's heavy and sad and disappointing and intense. She's hurt. Really, deeply.

This is all just rocking my entire worldview... I essentially grew up looking up to the whole OKP camp, thinking everything was peachy, investing my heart into the art. Found this place when I was a 15-year-old girl and I'm 26 now. Granted, people gone people, and I couldn't possibly expect folks to go thru their lives without running into or causing some mess. It's human nature to mess up. But I wasn't expecting to hear the things I heard, not like this (or, not hearing it to this extent, rather).

Heartbreaking all around.

I think the thing that stuck out to me the most was how Malik's addiction was seemingly framed as his choice, rather than the illness of addiction, as well as her not receiving the comfort she needed with her son's death. That kinda issue is bound to ruin any and all kinds of relationships with people you thought were down for you. And hearing about the women of Black Lily... man.

I'm just also keeping the two Jill Scott interviews she did on QLS in my mind because I JUST listened to them yesterday and it was all sounding like "it's all good, yes we hashed it out about the credit, it was a label issue, not on the band itself" from Jill and 15, so I was def confused for a second. I guess that little factoid can be disputed or whatever.

Back to Malik (PBUH); I had a feeling that things weren't as straightforward as they seemed in regard to everyone's relationship with him, but I also thought that the lack of really deep posts would be made up in the form of an actual tribute that they're working on. I also come from the frame of thinking that some people aren't always up to posting immediately about losing someone. That does look disrespectful from the outside looking in if folks post other things INSTEAD - yeah. But at the end of the day, she did make a point about people/publications not really giving Malik his flowers he deserved(s) and acknowledging how tremendous of a role he played in the group. On the other hand, some folks like me on here may be more in tune with interviews/books/random things that did give Malik his props throughout the years. But if it's not on the surface, then yeah. It’s gonna be "why tf aren't y'all boosting him more?". I pray Malik's soul is at rest.

Apart of me also wonders what Jaguar really *needs* from the band. No, I'm not talking financially (she did point out her being shorted the money she should've been making). A situation like this absolutely seems more like the "yo, I need you to take accountability for what you've done to me/against me". Which I think could be the case, especially since she's talked about being gaslit and shunned and blackballed. But, there are folks I've seen who've aired out their grievances while also saying that they don't wanna hear from the other party. Whatever it is, I really hope this gets Jag on her path to healing, and I hope they do right by her, by any means. I'm so sorry to Jag.

I just wanna make it clear that I do believe that, even though I'm obviously unaware on a firsthand account of what happened back in the early days, the misogyny/misogynoir that the women of the boards face(d) was BAD. If you were subject to that, I am so very sorry.


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49. "i have a feeling things are gonna get worse. Knuckles & Hubb"
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and their grievances/lawsuit discussions might pop back up again.

it's inevitable. Once something major gets aired out, the fan keeps blowing.
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45. "I just got to the part where she drags Girls High and Central into it."
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Is it bad that I've laughed out loud for or five times, already?

  

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71. "I didnt hear that part...what did she say about Girls High?"
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i was a there...a year ahead of Jilly

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47. "That was a lot...and seems more hurt than anything"
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To lose a kid and by murder and not hear from people you thought you were cool with had got to be tough.

Nothing she said surprised me at all. I hope she finds peace.

  

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50. ".."
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51. "This is very depressing and messy"
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I'd love to hear some takes from other Black Lily artists. Going to the Black Lily is what made me start really reading the boards.

The amount of shots sent in so many different directions is just overwhelming. This was supposed to be about Malik B but she has so much resentment for so many people.

I do believe she was studied, her music didn't grab me but she was unmatched on the stage at those Wetlands Black Lily shows when it comes to presence & comfort. Anyone who ever dreamed of making it big as a performer would want some of those traits.

The Roots success didn't come from where we wanted it to come from so it's no shock that so many people were pushed aside. It just sucks when you think about what it looked like could happen back then.

  

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57. "Everything she's saying is plausible."
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This ain't the first time she's tried to air out her grievances.

I'm expecting this post to get 15'd, BTW.

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58. "So is 'Riq about to be cancelled?"
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She said his wife needs to ask her about him, and then mentioned "me too" ...

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59. "It seemed to me that she was referencing cheating"
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and not sexual assault or abuse.
But we'll just hafta chill... til the next episode

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60. "I heard it as an assaulty/rapey thing."
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me too isn't typically about cheating.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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64. "I'm 12 min. into today's live and she all but said Flo Brown was raped"
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by one of them when they were on tour.

  

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70. "Latest video she's speaks on trying to talk Flo out of going to the poli..."
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I was definitely off.

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63. "She went live again today. I wish someone would reach out to her"
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Maybe someone has? Idk...

Those tours must have been hell.

  

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65. "Today she said Common sexually assaulted her."
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That she woke up to him trying to put his penis in her mouth.

  

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66. "Yep. It's getting worse."
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the collective anxiety about what's gonna be revealed next is horrible.

Jag been THRU IT. This morning's live was... whew

I wonder how much longer it's gonna take for all of them to address this. Because like she said, every day she's gonna reveal more and more, and that's what's happening.

I'm an "I wanna hear all sides" type of person, but this situation feels like there are so many complex layers/truths being shared and she needs to be acknowledged, apologized to (and the harms need to be 100% addressed), and receive reparations (monetary and otherwise). ASAP.

Transformative justice...

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67. "I believe every word she's saying in the accusations."
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I don't 100% buy the idea that she "made" the Roots, or whatever, but that's separate from specific allegations, and I believe those.

  

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69. "I believe her too. nm"
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68. ""She wants to put them out of business""
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as of the current IG Live happening right now.
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73. "My goodness"
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81. "Her dating 60 Second Assassin to keep dudes off her"
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because 'the only way dudes won't bother you is if you have a dude in the crew'. She said was 19 and he was 46.
- Talib in the women's dressing rooms and running from her ex-husband at a HOB venue
- The band - Dice especially - not cutting ties with her abusive ex b/c he gave them discounts on Polo gear and asking her why she couldn't just work it out with him
- the Roots fight with some frat and her beating someone with a spoon (that shit was kinda funny)
- Malik getting paid $300 a week until his death
- A LOT about Erykah and Jill. On one hand they kinda catching strays but on the other hand they've gotten so much love that she hasn't and I don't LIKE it but I understand it

  

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72. "I support her 100% and I believe her."
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The pain is visceral and white hot...I can't imagine what its been like holding all that in

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74. "So dang near everybody is cancelled now, right?"
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80. "what attention are you seeking by asking this question twice?"
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then, where does that leave our interaction with shit like this, okp, shows, etc.? Or with Ahmir supposedly enabling an environment of harassment? Where are we supposed to go from here? What is the logical conclusion?

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84. "My EXACT dilemma/question. Where is this going? What do we do?"
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>then, where does that leave our interaction with shit like
>this, okp, shows, etc.? Or with Ahmir supposedly enabling an
>environment of harassment? Where are we supposed to go from
>here? What is the logical conclusion?


Like this has been keeping me up at night. Memories and milestones are tied to their music. My top 5 favorite songs of all time have at least 3 songs by them or feature them.

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And you know, idk if this was the time when they all decided to ride on two different tour buses (Gryffindor and Slytherin) or were still on just one. But, if they were on two, then whose bus was Jag riding on? I have a feeling I know the answer.

Regardless of whose it was... ENABLING is ENABLING. So yeah, even tho I wonder which it was, I also believe that this behavior HAD to be known on the other bus (if there was another bus).

I hope this makes sense.

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86. "it's a personal choice tho right?"
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Like....what really is canceled? If the music hits you, it hits you. It's unfortunate to be disappointed by people but...idk maybe if I found out my fave artist engaged in some of this behavior I could relate better.

  

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116. "Yeah, I guess it is a choice, and I get you..."
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>but...idk maybe if I found out my fave artist engaged in some
>of this behavior I could relate better.


I have the perfect example of what you said above: Talib Kweli.

All the cyber-harassment and doxxing, among many other deplorable things he's done to Black women within the last month, didn't personally depress me like the way it's doing for me with The Roots. As of 2016 or so, Talib has not been my fave or someone I *checked* for like that ANYMORE.

Granted, I listened to the Black Star album RELIGIOUSLY for years and years, and learned a lot from it, felt validated. And also had Reflection Eternal and about 2 or 3 of his solo albums (that I listened to maybe twice and didn't care for) and some random songs here and there. It all just died down completely for me within the last few years because he just didn't interest me musically anymore and this was also the same time I heard about the situation with Res, in 2018. That was major thing that had me go, "oh no. I can't support this". And that was easy for me to do.

And when the time came and everything crashed on Twitter, even though all the evidence of his behavior is proof he's trash, I didn't view him like I do The Roots and Common, as guys who "were the noble ones". So when my friends were feeling bummed about Talib, or even R K*lly, or C*sby, I understood it, but couldn't relate in the same way they can't relate to what's happening now, with these guys.


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156. "wait lemme clarify myself about that "noble ones" comment"
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>I didn't view him like I do The Roots and Common, as guys who
>"were the noble ones". So when my friends were feeling bummed
>about Talib, or even R K*lly, or C*sby, I understood it, but
>couldn't relate in the same way they can't relate to what's
>happening now, with these guys.


it's not that I believed with my whole naive heart they were "noble" lmao because no one is. We have the books/interviews/lyrics to show the track record of some of them partaking in some of these allegations.

I see people say they're not surprised to hear about the adultery, womanizing (amongst most touring musicians in general) because it was a loud secret... and Black Thought even mentioned in an interview with Method Man and Heather B. a few years ago about how he and his wife were in marriage counseling. He also literally said in his song "Thank You" on SOT1:

"And to my lady baby, thank you for forgiving me...
Gangsta and fly hoes, freaks and side shows...
Even though I was spazzing boo, I wasn't mad at you..."

Context clues.


What I was trying to say earlier was that I always separated them from those who seemed "capable" of committing these acts of alleged s*xual assault, physical abuse, shifty business, creepy behavior, etc. because of what's shown and said to us. (and this is where the stereotypes of "other kinds of rap" and bias come in). I guess this what she and y'all meant by the "neo-soul movement was a lie".


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170. "hope you find peace with the situation. seems to be hitting you hard."
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178. "Thank you. Yeah i found these kneegrows at 15yo, hard times"
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helped me gravitate towards their music, and I'm talking about the whole SoulQuarians output. All the groups and albums that came from that era that I discovered a decade later, it really helped me fall in love with music and find an escape. Those core albums are the only ones that I never stopped listening to even when I was going through my other phases and listening to different kinds of music. I guess since I latched on at that age, that's why it's hard for me to come to terms with this. Damn near 9 years! And Com's lyrics is my signature. Sheesh

But if I have to step back, I have to, one way or another...
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75. "damn "
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crazy stuff

  

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78. ""oils....fucking OILS!?!?!""
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79. "That shit was foul as hell"
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Dude was still plugging names and album projects.

If that’s all he had to say about him publicly you can tell there is some type of resentment or bad blood.

He basically said Malik was always flaky

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87. "What 15 actually said:"
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A lighter tale of Malik Abdul Basit

As a true Bol from philly you know that one’s oil game HAD to be on point. I came in this game rockin oils since age 9. Most of yall joke about me smelling like Breakfast (thx Kravitz clan) but long before my vanilla combo mastery my true graduation from basic Frankincense & Myrrh morphed into new exotic philly jawns like “Mecca Musk” & “Somali Rose” & “Egyptian Musk” & yeah…..”Money On the Street” & “Hug My Neck Aphrodisiac”

Malik introduced me to that world.

Even before Malik was in the Roots —-he was my oil guru.

IYKYK...there is no panic like the last drop of oil w no re-up in the future.

I been bugging Malik for my “$OTS” re-up. Paged him 911 (ask your parents kids) he was hard to catch but I knew I had some leverage bait this time: these were my last days interning at #RuffhouseRecords. I was everyone’s plug for all free cd’s/lp’s & especially Kriss Kross posters for anyone’s younger sibling or cousin

Tim Dog’s sophomore Do or Die just came out (his “I Get Wrecked” single w KRS made brief noise for a sec) & I had 6 songs from the not yet released Cypress Hill “Black Sunday” lp——that was just enough to garner a “word? BET!” confirmation from Malik to tell me that him & Mussa (remember the cat dozing off watching TV in our “Distorion” vid? Him) would scoop me in a half hour. Confused I thought it was gonna be an even exchange (having paid him upfront weeks ago at a show I thought he was gonna drop it off——ha ha ha yeah ok

They arrive to my west philly house and then Malik breaks the news to me: we gotta take a trip to “Norf” to get the oils. I wasn’t planning on this. But oh well.

It was 3pm.

Malik told me the particular fragrance I dug was a mixture of 3 import oils from Saudi Arabia (his parents often taught school there) my dad was already on his cynic “fool me once….” bag with Malik from a previous sale: “that boy tried to hustle me with Blue Nile that wasn’t all the way Blue, I know Johnson’s baby oil rebranded when I smell it”)——Malik told me we’d have to run to grab 2 oils & then West Oak Lane for the other oil, & then to South Philly so he can mix em together.

Uh (checks Swatch) ok.

So car music provider & I’m covering gas. —“Let’s run to Halal Cheesesteaks at the Steak n Take spot on broad” so now I’m covering food too.

it’s now 4:50 pm & I’m livin somewhere between that frustrating barbershop episode of “Atlanta” & Scorsese’s ’85 classic “After Hours”—we didn’t even make it to our 2nd stop yet because the untold added on errands list got bigger: “lemme stop by the shop & get my license right quick” (wait WHAT?!?!!?) “aye Troy!!! Troy!!!! pull over you remember Troy” (uh no I don’t)——now we giving Troy a lift (where to? dunno) —what I do know is Dog’s “Timberlands” is on it’s 3rd rotation.

It’s 6:15 & I still don’t smell good yet.

“so Mir you think we gonna be on Elektra? Or maybe Def Jam?, or maybe like Jive cause that’s where KRS and them signed right?”……when is the EastWest showcase? We should do “Grits” yo”……..

Sitting in a car pondering & dreaming about our future. A year ago we were busking for change in a shoebox on South St. & we might have a record deal BEFORE summer??!??!

Round 8 o’clock I think we made it to his boy’s crib where he left the remaining oils——by the 5th rotation I’m realizing Tim Dog used the “Dove” Cymande sample I wanted to mess with.
Malik promised soon as we hit South Philly he will “hook the jawns up” & he’ll gimme triple the oils for my trouble.

Sounds fair.

My eyes are slowly opening. The car is parked. Its dark. I’m assuming I’m in South Philly cause this looks like Riq’s grandma’s section. I have no clue what is going on. The digital dashboard clock says 9:03, there is a seatbelt mark on my face & neck, my half eaten steak & leftover fries are in a bag on the seat next to me. With the exception of the bus driving down the block it is Vanilla Sky empty. I’m in the back of this cramped hatchback—for what seems like a plane trip to LA—-in the back of my mind I was like “shoulda listened to dad” I have no clue where I am—-I got out the car. Grabbed my trizzy (ask a Philadelphian) took the bus to Walnut St & took the 42 home.

It was 10:45.

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99. "fyi the last part is missing; I saw it before it got pushed down."
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"A month later rehearsin for a show in germantown about to open for The Pharcyde Malik gave me a bag of like 10 exotic oils. Think of Kennan Ivory Wayans in “Hollywood Shuffle” getting his jherri curl activator back) but I was still semi pissed but I smelled good so forgiven. Somewhat……

I joked “….and this mofo just gonna leave me in the back of a car in South Philly on a Friday night!!!!!!!!!”

A classic Malik retort: “Nah Ock I tried to wake you up like 4-5 times!! man you snore like a Mesopotamian Pangolin”

*mic drop*

To the Stripe snatcher of gener-als (Game Theory)
To The street walker of “iminals” (Push Up Your Lights)
To The Mazda screecher (Here I Come)
The Bonnerville jawn creeper (In The Music)
To the evil menace of a dentist (I Can’t Help It)
The Axe Offender (Mellow My Man)
The 10k Hit Man (Table Of Contents)
To The Zaniest Miscellaneous (Section)
To The 5 Pillar OF Islam Followin (The Spark)
To The Anti Bullshitter Islamic Extortioner (No Alibi)
To The Cattle Wrangler in your place of worship (Distortion To Static)
To The Bjork cock blockin’
To The Mesopotamian Pangolin oil merchant abandonin’ master of words.
To The Poet Born Creator

May Allah forgive you for your sins. May you find true peace. Find Rich for me. I’ll see you in the next world my brother.

📸@mpozitolbertphotography"

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100. "Ok. Never saw this last part"
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Thought it was a weird story to tell and just end with him catching a bus home

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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104. "I don't have any issues with. Or understand people who do"
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?uest and Malik B knew each other for decades. The man is likely very much grieving his death. He's not obligated to share anything that he's feeling or anything about their friendship/relationship with the rest of us. And if he does share something on IG/Twitter/FB/whatever, it's not on us to determine if it's "good enough."

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107. "her expectation and mine was that Malik B would get a more "
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heartfelt

thorough tribute fitting of his placement in the group artistically and spiritiually

rather than a chapter from the book of ?uest which he always writes about celebrity stories

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108. "It's really none of our business what he chooses to share in public"
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He doesn't "owe" us or anyone else anything when it comes to speaking on his relationship with Malik B.

No one knows how he's processing this, so it's not our affair to judge if any response he gives is "heartfelt" enough.

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109. "Grief critiquing is certainly strange, to me."
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But I guess its just an outgrowth of our social media culture.

Dudes gotta hire a PR firm to respond publicly to their friends' deaths these days.

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123. "It's such an entitled position for people to take"
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People are essentially acting like psychic vampires, feeding off other's grief.

"No!!! That wasn't heartfelt enough!!! Give me moaaarrrrr!!!!"

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112. "that's cool for you"
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121. "fair, but remember the odes he penned when J Dilla died?"
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from 2006 and beyond
there's a capacity to honor and celebrate your people openly.

  

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125. "Different people and different relationships. "
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I don't know and can't judge how grieves publicly for each individual person who passes. There may be some memories and emotions that he's not comfortable about sharing about Malik B. I personally don't know, and it's not my affair.

Again, it's not for any of us to say, "Well, you said X about Friend A, why couldn't you also say X about Friend B?"

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163. "He didn’t honor Malik while he was alive either tho?"
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Can you point to any post Quest has made about Malik’s artistic ability?

Peace,

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127. "Cam, these people just want to argue..."
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what matters, is as fans of the music and the legacy, some of us would hope to see a little bit more done for Malik B.

as individuals, we can all respect their own autonomy for their feelings and experiences

but a statement was put out and god forbid someone reads, takes in the words shared and has a negative experience with it.


i don't think ?uest or anyone in this post, hell even jaguar did anything egregious

we just would hope for more as a tribute to someone who was much more than a sometime collaborator

but they'll argue under my reply using baseless accusations and reaches while also calling people names etc. rinse, repeat

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128. "ALL OF THIS. Yes. EXACTLY! </3 Mallik B."
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>what matters, is as fans of the music and the legacy, some of
>us would hope to see a little bit more done for Malik B.

>we just would hope for more as a tribute to someone who was
>much more than a sometime collaborator


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135. "You're right"
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I just can't get past this website though.
How did got damn TMZ publish a more heat-felt announcement than this place?
https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/29/the-roots-rapper-malik-b-dead-dies-questlove-black-thought/
Not one mention of drug use, while also crediting the man properly.

  

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191. "I think it's pretty disgusting that you all will Judge they way people c..."
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to mourn someone they knew and you did not.


You don't know anything about their relationship other than what they choose to tell you. They have no obligation to share anything.

Human relationships are complicated AF and those relationships only get more complicated as time pass and your life leads you down different paths.

I got homies who I thought were my NFL that I don't even want to speak to today and if I tried to explain to anyone what changed between us I don't think of us can articulate it in any way that makes sense.

When you think about what you are asking for you should see how freaking selfish it is because what you want from a people who have these complicated relationships with other people is the closure to satisfy you, not the actual person who had the relationship with them.

There is this new phenomenon where the internet will you attack you for choosing privacy over public displays and I hate it. It's pretty awful.



>I just can't get past this website though.
>How did got damn TMZ publish a more heat-felt announcement
>than this place?
>https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/29/the-roots-rapper-malik-b-dead-dies-questlove-black-thought/
>Not one mention of drug use, while also crediting the man
>properly.


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237. "I think it's pretty disgusting that you're pretending "
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that I didn't make the distinction of my issue being directly with THIS GOT DAMN WEBSITE!

>to mourn someone they knew and you did not.
I knew Malik B, in my ealry 20s.

  

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242. "I think it's pretty disgusting that "
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of all the atrocities revealed and discussed in this post, this is the singular topic you find disgusting.

  

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243. "I think it's pretty disgusting that"
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In response to a website not honoring an individual who is part of the foundation of that site...you wriggle out a way to make it about you, as a justification attempt.

  

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245. "god damn right, buddy..."
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208. "THIS. Anyone beefing with how Quest has chosen to remember his..."
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lifelong friend is an idiot.

shit, he don't have to let anyone in to his remembrance/grieving at all if he don't want to.

he don't HAVE to say shit.

that shit is hella personal, whatever is it or may be.

  

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246. "His poor feelings. You remember how his alias came to be?"
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Flo Brown said some defamatory shit about The Roots in an OkayArtist post.
Questlove deleted it and left all of the other replies, with a blank space at that 15th numbered spot.
Then he created his alias.
...a hilarious inside joke right?
Now we find out what she was being silenced over, and the joke continues.

  

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275. "this shit just dont sit right with me right now."
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276. "Damn that's deeply, deeply fucked up."
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277. ": ("
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Jeezus

Wauw

connecting the fucking dots

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284. "I never knew this all these years. That motherfucker."
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286. "wow"
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287. "this is what I alluded to below"
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301. "the fuck does that have to do with how he remembers Malik B?"
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y'all some fucking goofies.

edit: i have no opinion on whatever transgressions questlove has or hasn't made against Jaguar, Flo, or whomever. i wasn't there. i'm not privy to any of that shit. i'm sure quest has done some foul shit because he's just a human working a business where foul shit is not unusual.

however, to judge how someone remembers their people on their death is really no one's place.

  

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308. "Stanley, ask yourself."
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YOU are the one overly concerned with that man's personal feelings.

Also, the actual individual with the beef is the person who this post is about. She's had plenty to say, if you choose not to listen fine but you're ignoring the reason why, she's explained in great detail why she feels the way she does.

  

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312. "Stanley, don't be obtuse."
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You're acting like a whole huge part of this story isn't about how Quest remembered Malik B.

like, c'mon.

i'm out.

  

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316. "K"
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302. "?uest has always been wack as fuck though"
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Everything about him is cornball.

No one should be surprised at that dumb ass stunt.

  

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313. "Wow I never knew the history of it...."
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Extra weird now looking back that one of his girlfriends who actually was pretty dope used to post as mrs 15.

I wonder if she knew the history...

  

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318. "So the toxic moderation comes from the top down"
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394. "Never knew this. Wow. Anyone remember what she said?"
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Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

  

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88. ""Booty" being about Jaguar and Common is fascinating to me. "
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89. "my eyes and mouth wide open right now.."
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SHIT

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90. "LOL same. I didn't even see it all but just reading about all this."
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In this post. Holy hell.

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91. "not shock or stunned about this"
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Res and Santigold alluded to the atmosphere

take a message

  

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92. "Golden Boys hits different now."
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96. "RE: Golden Boys hits different now."
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Way different now

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97. "I hate gossiping but for correction's sake, Golden Boys is about Mos Def"
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written by Santigold about her experiences

  

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157. "yes, i was aware of that already"
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SantiGold = Santi White etc etc

the lyrics still hit different, like i said.

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94. "Did they ?"
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Got any links ?

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101. "song Golden Boys written by Santigold and sung by Res"
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/talib-kweli-faces-sexual-harassment-accusations-from-former-protege-res-629864/

https://www.xxlmag.com/res-talib-kweli-sexual-harassment-allegations/

take a message

  

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102. "Have you heard Golden Boy by Res? "
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I’ve heard conflicting stories about who the song is about.. Black Though, Mos and Talib’s name have come up.

It’s written by Santigold and sang by Res.

Might be both of them telling stories about multiple dudes

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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114. "I know Res had a big blow up with Talib a couple years ago"
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On twitter I think?

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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115. "I know Res had a big blow up with Talib a couple years ago"
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On twitter I think?

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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93. "Sounds like years"
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if not decades of pain and hurt are behind her words in the videos.

I mainly wonder how long the bridges have been burned between her and the folks she's mentioning in her videos. Have to think ties have been severed for many many moons now.


Sadly enough, I have to think the shenanigans she's referring to are pretty commonplace given the access to money and fame that the music industry can bring and how that can change folks.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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98. "Sad but not surprising."
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:-(

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103. "This is worse than I thought it'd be."
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Reading the replies, I'm thinking, "I mean how bad is it really?"

I'm 23 minutes into this and it's really fucking bad. I don't know if it's all fair to say or believe - like that she made Okayplayer for example, but the toxic culture she was very obviously a part of is heartbreaking. I think everyone knew the Me Too movement would come for hip hop eventually...but I didn't see The Roots being part of that.

In terms of the Malik B stuff...well, having a friend or family member who's an addict is just such a tough thing. I can't imagine having someone who is a business partner - it just adds another layer to how tough navigating that can be. What might be seen as turning your back on someone actually might be helping them. But I can't really disagree with how Jaguar feels...she was there, I wasn't.

It's all just so fucking sad.

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119. "so bad. i'm like you..i was 20 min in looking like theres 30 fkn min LEF..."
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122. "Yea agree here entirely."
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>In terms of the Malik B stuff...well, having a friend or
>family member who's an addict is just such a tough thing. I
>can't imagine having someone who is a business partner - it
>just adds another layer to how tough navigating that can be.
>What might be seen as turning your back on someone actually
>might be helping them. But I can't really disagree with how
>Jaguar feels...she was there, I wasn't.
>
>It's all just so fucking sad.

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105. " A sister on Twitter talked about how "
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even though many of us on OKP knew these dudes weren't shit for the longest, even she didn't think of Common or Black Thought when she thought of misogyny and rape culture in hip-hop. They were all shielded by their Black power rhetoric. I was a bit young to really be in the mix back then, but I went to a lot of shows. I saw and felt things that made me uncomfortable, but could never really put my finger on it. I see the same ugliness from men in academia and in my political work and they usually get away with it.


I feel so badly for Jaguar, Flo Brown...even Jill and Erykah. Patriarchy/misogyny really needs to be understood by our entire community as a form of white supremacist oppression. Men really think that they have a right to a woman's body (and everything else). It's SO pervasive.

  

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113. "lets say if Flo Brown does validate what JW has mentioned on IG"
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does Jill and Erykah silence confirms this?

or should we chock it up as to two resentful women didnt get to the level where two other successful women got to?

take a message

  

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124. "Who are you? nm"
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106. "im surprised ...but "conscious" men are still men"
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they like pussy as much as the rest of us. they just dress it up way better.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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110. "If it's rape, its not "liking pussy like the rest of us"."
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Sexual assault is not just about having sex with women.

You know this.

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117. "i never said it wasnt."
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im just saying these conscious acts folks put on a pedestal because of their content aint no different than the rest of the their peers or the average person

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120. "i'm a man. youre a man. you nor i aint sexually assaulted nobody"
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cmon dogg...that all men shit aint flying wit even me...

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111. "Listening to Unplugged"
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Haven’t listened to this in a while. I’m sure most people here already know this but this woman was an absolute killer on stage. Heart of the City and Song Cry? Mary J is cool and all but there was no competition between those two on that night.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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154. "She KILLED it on Heart of the City"
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That one always stuck in my head.

  

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449. "where can I watch this? "
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'Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. ~Victor Hugo'

  

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118. "why would anyone doubt her statements"
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when the stories are so familiar.

I'm glad she's speaking up.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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126. "Are people doubting it? "
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Genuinely asking. I've seen nothing but support for her. I know it's hard for people to accept that artists are wildly flawed, but I personally hadn't seen people saying she's lying or something.

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129. "ehhh. I've seen comments about her being an "opportunist""
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like, how she's doing this bc she's butthurt about how her career turned out. And the personal insults/problematic points/shots fired are deflecting from the point and that's what's causing people to doubt the validity/see what the purpose is.

Don't quote me on that, that's what I've gathered from IG comments and some Tweets, pretty much.


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130. "I mean, I'm sure that's part of this."
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She's pretty clearly upset about how she was treated as an artist AND as a woman.

Feels like the lack of tributes and love for Malik B was the straw that broke the camel's back...but it feels like she's just had years and years of resentment for how she was treated and how her career turned out.

But yeah I certainly don't get the opportunist tag - and that's a shame people are even saying that. I don't think you'd air out ALL of these people if you were just wanting album streams.

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131. "Won't call her an opportunist, but this doesn't honor Malik's memory"
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She has every right as a human being to feel how she feels and say what she's saying, but let's not pretend it's for Malik. This post will live far longer than the RIP post, and in the real world they'll be talking about her revelations sans any mention of Malik B.

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132. "Unfortunately there is truth in this"
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I’m not sure what she wants when she says until things are made right she will keep doing this

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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136. "Yeah this is where I'm at with it. It would be one thing if she kept it"
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to just being about being upset about Malik and how she perceived the Roots poorly treating him.

But everyone is getting hit with the strays and while grief is expressed in a multitude of ways, since she made these accusations public (not like someone is illegally posting her private videos) I think it is okay for people to have thoughts about what she's saying in these videos, whether they are sympathetic to her or not.

I can understand how holding stuff in year after year can begin to swallow you and I personally am sympathetic to that but I just wish someone would take her aside and say "Not like this, sis".

  

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138. "she's grieving on multiple fronts simultaneously"
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the same people she feels didnt properly honor someone close to her:

- didnt call her when her son died
- did bad business by her
- allegedly did all sorts of other fucked up things

so it's all spilling out at once. for her to have not spoken for years speaks to a strength of character

  

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143. "lmk when one of your friends dies"
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so I can tell you what does or doesn't honor that person's memory, as an objective third party.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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144. "As a matter of fact I recently lost a friend. Go ahead."
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_____________________________________

Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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146. "I wouldn't do that. We have very different morals and ethics."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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149. "This ain't about us fam, nor morals, nor ethics. "
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I know we got fake OK beef, but that's not real. Malik B is real. Jag is real. All of these people being dragged into this are living breathing human beings with families and friends and careers.

Like I said, Jag has every right to be in this space. But it objectively does not honor Malik B's memory to tell the world who Jill Scott fucked in high school.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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151. "I know you have to lie to yourself about the person you are."
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But there is no circumstance where I would tell you about how to mourn your friend.


Because I'm not an absolute piece of shit and a fucking worm.

A piece of shit and a worm would do that.

I don't think that because you did it. We have no beef. It is simply true. Please stop embarrassing everyone who had a hand in raising you and act like a human being.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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175. "but:"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13396877&mesg_id=13396877&page=#13397085

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184. "You lack understanding of nuance"
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You certainly lack an understanding of irony, as evinced by your post about people arguing on the boards.

But back to nuance, I'm not critiquing her grief, in fact I said she has every right to feel this way and say these things.

I made an objective observation about honoring one's memory.

If I die tomorrow and people wanna go do crack and have sex with hookers in my memory, that's cool, if that's how you grieve. But don't pretend you did it in my honor because that isn't indicative of how I lived my life.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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395. "You contradicted your point about grief critiquing. "
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Full stop.

There was no nuance in the linked post from you.

Pick a side and stick to it consistently.

Peace,

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145. "Maybe his death triggered all this... maybe she can't help it "
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and it's all coming out..

I've had instances where something happened (especially family) and it triggers forgotten memories that have been suppressed in my brain subconsciously because of the pain... it happens..

obviously she had a lot held in... Malik's death, the pain, the memories, the regrets.. And with him gone and how he wasn't part of the group anymore.. she saw all the dumb shit but everybody else is silent..

that's a enough to drive people away....


It's not proper etiquette but I understand...



  

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147. "Thank you for putting this into words"
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Most of us did not know how to express this view without coming off as "dismissive"

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148. "it's dismissive and also some bullshit, so don't feel bad"
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they didn't do any better than you

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133. "its not about doubting her - its more like...ok and?"
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thebigfunk kinda nails this in the lesson thread

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=3026164&mesg_id=3026164&page=#3026171

  

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137. "She said that Common sexually assaulted her...wtf y’all?"
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And the fact that Flo Brown and other women were raped. This is not an “ok and?” situation. Even if you don’t like how she’s stating what she experienced do you have to be so cavalier? Damn.

  

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139. "the majority of it WAS 'ok and?'"
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adultery and shitty business dealings are nothing special in this industry.

>And the fact that Flo Brown and other women were raped.

that seems like Flow Brown's story to tell - i am 100% not OK with her putting out the story of someone else's sexual abuse. No one should co-opt someone else's suffering like that for their own ends. Just no.


RE: common, yes, thats a troubling accusation. But wrapping it up in this diatribe of grievances, both real and imagined, is doing her no favors.

  

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141. "Which part are you saying is imagined?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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164. "the outsized role she thinks she played in OKP "
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or in other people careers
that shit was delusional

im not trying to cast doubt on the abusive claims she's making, but i would say...

A) it doesnt help her to mix those accusations in with delusions of grandeur RE: her career and impact

B) This is gonna go over like a brick but damn, I'd certainly like to give the accused a chance to respond to all this before i cast them all as complete pieces of shit based on one person launching diatribes from their car on IG

C) its really incredibly fucked up to co-opt other peoples abuse and tell their stories - that's not your place and it makes me question your motivation and integrity

  

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140. "i think that post got deleted. and 'okay...and' is insulting"
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Com trying to stick his dick in her mouth. Kweli watching women get dressed. Men 'accidentally' getting in your bunk. Opportunities being taken b/c you don't wanna fuck anymore. None of that is 'okay...and?'

  

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142. "It's more than just shitty business practices and adultery"
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They’re letting folks die i.e. Leonard Hubbard… will Ahmir write a fluff post when that happens too?

And now there are the rape allegations.

Even if this is all commonplace in the industry, how can this sit well with you? How is it not worthy of outrage?

  

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166. ""letting folks die""
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huh? what does that even mean?

>And now there are the rape allegations.

look, theres gotta be a middle ground between cosby, where 83 women have to come forward before they are believed, and the other side of the spectrum where Jag accuses a grip of people of a grip of heinous shit and we all just fall in line.
She should be taken seriously, but this should also be just the start of this dialogue. I'd like to hear from the accused. I'd like to hear from other victims if this was so pervasive. And ideally the courage that Jag is showing here allows that dialogue to take place. But that doesn't mean every word she says should be gospel, or that there aren't other sides to this.

  

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155. "ok. so you've been a part of this community for years"
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as have I.

was that because you felt like it was a part of something that's typical for the music industry


or was there supposed to be something more there


idk. these excuses feel very weak to me.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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165. "its the music man"
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>as have I.
>was that because you felt like it was a part of something
>that's typical for the music industry
>or was there supposed to be something more there

the industry is the industry and i never had any illusions that anything was different about this clique other than the output.

  

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222. "if not being worth a damn is what's normal to you"
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then that's a choice you have to make for yourself

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226. "well as ive said repeatedly in here"
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id like more info and perspectives on all this stuff, and i'd like anyone who did fucked up shit to be held accountable for it.
but i also dont think everything she's dropping is as black and white as folks in here would like to think
but your question was what drew me here, and it wasn't necessarily some higher ideal about who these artists were as people

  

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134. "black women of the early 2000s"
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were subjected to war crime levels of sexual violence


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150. "it's getting bad"
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shit is reaching gossipy people on Twitter who dont know her/Malik B's music and only care about the tea

in advance, delete my account forever if the powers that be make this post go away

  

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153. "you can say that again"
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>shit is reaching gossipy people on Twitter who dont know
>her/Malik B's music and only care about the tea

I've been seeing exactly that. It's gossip and tea and drama to a lot of folks who don't know much or anything about the history.

>in advance, delete my account forever if the powers that be
>make this post go away

ditto

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158. "same."
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>in advance, delete my account forever if the powers that be
>make this post go away

yup, mines too

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159. ""the tea is hot" responses on twitter are very distasteful n/m"
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...

……………….,,
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168. "what is deleting your account gonna do?"
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173. "it would be a compromise of my integrity to continue posting"
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if I posted on Russell Simmons' message board and he had the power to make allegations go away without addressing shit, that says everything I would need to know

I couldnt even respect anyone who continued to be a moderator here afterwards

  

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174. "makes sense. ty for answering"
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152. "After Watching All Three Long Videos Of Her Expose Info"
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All I got to say is, this is sad on all parts, theirs, hers, and all the people who cut ties with the band cause of personal & financial issues.

All the sexual shit like cheating, bad conducts, rape, groupie shit, porn watching, & etc. I've seen all that shit during HS & college, niggas will be niggas, like the saying goes "young, dumb, & full of cum", not saying it's okay, it's just apart of growing up, and I think all of them had a lot of growing up to do and probably learned their lessons, none of these record companies have a manual on how to behave yourself when you're a bunch of artists on tour, record labels don't give a fuck as long as you're making money for them and don't kill nobody.

Anyway I've always felt bad for Kamal & Dice, cause I felt Kamal has some dope production to bring the group back to their Geffen days but the two leaders isn't interested in hearing or want his input as much as James (who is dope artist in his own right, that EP he got on cloudsound is dope) but maybe Kamal is putting some ideas into the sound and I'm just grasping at straws.

To me Dice Raw has always been a dope emcee (even though I still feel like his solo album wasn't that great cause the direction of the production wasn't what I thought he was going to spit on), but to have him be a singing hook guy seems like a waste, but I guess if he's willing to sacrifice his rhymes to sing instead for a check & discount polo clothing, so be it.

When JW said that BT has been biting/stealing Malik's rhymes & verses and claiming it for his own cause Malik was doing a lot of freestyling in the studio and forgetting most of what he said, floored me, I wouldn't think the emcee people have loved for being so dope would stoop so low to do that but you got to remember if BT "has to" remember his rhyming partner's rhymes when they go on tour cause your homie don't want to show up or attend shows or tour but you have to give the audience & fans the full experience, I guess it's better to just cut out the middle man and use 'em, instead of it just being another dope verse on another unreleased song.

Yeah I agree, they should've done more for Malik but I think JW doesn't know the whole story cause if she cared enough she should've taken Malik out of his environment to help him; but I guess she felt she had to get herself straight before helping anyone else (damn she's been thru a ton of painful shit too), but this is going overboard to make "them/the band" give a proper tribute to their homie.

Also if there are young kats who don't know who Malik B. is then just tell them to listen to some early Roots albums, don't get mad they don't know, shit I know kats who don't even know or heard of most of the artists I consider dope (ex: Pharoahe Monch, Planet Asia, Elzhi, El Da Sensei, Chino XL, Saukrates, Rah Digga, etc.), it's like it's the artists fault, it's just how society is.

The whole Jimmy Fuckass thingie is hilarious as hell too, I'm sure he stopped doing the powdered snow right before he had his first kid, but now every time I see or hear his name I'm going to be thinking of that nickname, ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!


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162. "The comment section underneath the video tho WOW"
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Jag’s reply about Thought having ghostwriters floored me. I talk a lot. I was speechless.

Peace,

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167. "has ANYBODY responded? link it if so."
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386. "Com was on IG live yesterday"
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working out at home and talking with viewers while he warmed up.. Even shouted out RIP Malik, but no mention of anything else.

  

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169. "Reminds me of a Jay line on Flux Capacitor"
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“When I die please don’t tweet about my death, trying to get rich... bringing attention to yourself”

While I think she has a story to tell she had a long time to tell it and I’m not sure this is the best way to do it. Maybe Malik B said wait until he passes to put it all out there but it feels like she is using his passing to get things off her chest.

I’m sure she is telling her truth but I’m not sure other people want her to speak on their business and personal decisions.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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171. "That’s a funny line coming from a guy who made a living quoting BIG"
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Nm

  

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172. "Well yeah.. Jay is far from perfect. lol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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177. "Hell of a reach but nm"
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179. "Is it?"
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So we’re going to act like Jay doesn’t have a record of being opportunistic...

Ok

  

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187. "You've effectively said Jay owes his entire career to Biggie quotes"
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That's patently absurd

  

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196. "I said he brought attention to himself in light of Big’s death"
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I think that’s pretty factual.

He’s the one telling others not to do that.

  

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209. "LOL thats not what you said"
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You can re-read your own post if you want. But what you think you meant vs what you actually said is pretty hilarious.


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211. "My subject line was clearly written in jest"
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But obviously you’re smart enough to know that.

I mean, the person I replied to clearly understood my point.


  

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176. "you found the most polite way to call her a clout chaser"
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some of us see a hurt, betrayed woman who's experienced trauma on numerous levels, who even said she suffered a nervous breakdown holding all of this in


your take is a Jay Z quote about trying to get rich off of his name

  

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180. "bruh"
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shits wilde

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189. "I definitely think she is using Malik B’s death to get attention"
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I know people grieve differently but lashing out over the last 20 years and speaking on other people’s trauma by name is too much.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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206. "this is a bad take"
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were Malik still amongst the living, she would still have ample reasons and opportunity to air out everyone for how they did her

something snapped in her with how they treated his passing and now she's letting her truth be known

call it loud, ugly, uncomfortable, overboard, bitter, even petty. she isnt being opportunistic though

  

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207. "how are they treating is passing exactly?"
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>something snapped in her with how they treated his passing and
>now she's letting her truth be known

that would have brought all this to the surface?
thought's post was heartfelt praise for his partner in rhyme
Quest's anecdote was kinda stupid, but those are the kind of stories that get told in people's eulogies
i haven't seen anything about "how they treated his passing" that would make anyone snap.
thats not to say that his passing alone couldn't have been enough to trigger these floodgates - i imagine it was.
I disagree that she's doing all this for "opportunistic" reasons - but i do find a chunk of what she's talking about to be questionable both in motive and substance.

  

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210. "it's not on me to judge her response"
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she feels it's justified and that he's been written out of their story

  

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213. "I didn't ask you to judge her response"
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just asked you to explain what you meant:
"something snapped in her with how they treated his passing"

ok - how did they treat it?

  

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215. "I would’ve expected Okayplayer to put it on the front page "
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with tributes and articles from his fans, friends, etc.

Maybe I’m expecting too much but I would think he would above the fold, first page press on this site of all places.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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217. "sure, that's fair"
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stuff like that could be in the works...
but ya, there certainly hasn't been a full-throated celebration of his life and contributions from the official channels of OKP whatsoever - fair criticism.
(speaking of, i need a hype-ass RIP Malik B mixtape in my life stat)

  

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232. "Yes. RE: I would’ve expected Okayplayer to put it on the front page "
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>with tributes and articles from his fans, friends, etc.
>
>Maybe I’m expecting too much but I would think he would
>above the fold, first page press on this site of all places.


and


>stuff like that could be in the works...
>but ya, there certainly hasn't been a full-throated
>celebration of his life and contributions from the official
>channels of OKP whatsoever - fair criticism.
>(speaking of, i need a hype-ass RIP Malik B mixtape in my life
>stat)


this is where I've been at. Can't expect it in other places, but the front page is the main spot where I too thought there were going to be more songs, stories, pictures, etc. gathered from a lot of people, not even just The Roots. Anything that revisited Malik's artistry and humanity. To teach us more about him and celebrate what we love. One of those full-page posts that didn't budge from the front page for a while.

And of course, like a lot of y'all are saying, we can't expect people to mourn the same or expect them to immediately write a book about someone in multiple IG posts every single day. We have no right to demand such a thing. Yet, as fans in the social media age, we're used to seeing so much more pour out from the artist's main affiliates to honor someone we listened to for decades. I guess that's the problem - we demand a lot more, a lot faster, than what is being prepared in the background.

Before I knew about Jag's IG Lives, I commented in the Streams of Thought Vol. 3 thread that I assumed BT was pushing back the original July 31st release date till sometime after Malik's Janazah on Aug. 1st to better prepare for a (musical) tribute with the rest of The Roots. And Black Thought had an interview with Take It Personal Radio a few weeks ago that just premiered on youtube yesterday. In it, he speaks highly of Malik as a person, brother, and emcee. So I guess we'll see.

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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

  

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247. "From what we've seen recently"
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There seems to be little connection between the current Okayplayer brand and the former Okayplayer band.

  

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249. "you're so right. nm"
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https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

  

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214. "RE: this is a bad take"
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>were Malik still amongst the living, she would still have
>ample reasons and opportunity to air out everyone for how they
>did her

Correct.. but since she waited until he passed to do it.
>
>something snapped in her with how they treated his passing and
>now she's letting her truth be known

Maybe.. it could be simply be anger over thinking part of the reason he isn’t alive is because they pushed him out the group. If it was one video I could see it as fried but she’s posting every day and dropping bombs until she gets what she feels is right. Which I’m not sure is even possible because more than likely it’s wanting to get back those 20 years.

>call it loud, ugly, uncomfortable, overboard, bitter, even
>petty. she isnt being opportunistic though

Well, i think she is using this opportunity to air everything out. I’m not sure anyone would want their passing to be the catalyst for this type of energy.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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230. "oh shut the fuck up, trash heap."
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181. "sad to see the folks saying "boys will be boys" and "clout chaser""
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_____________________
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200. "seriously."
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--

"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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240. "Yeah. And that rape is just apart of “growing up” "
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I’ve been trying to avoid this post after the replies started coming....

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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182. "Dice: "Nigs from my era don’t believe in ghost writing. I never did it..."
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Twitter swipe

https://twitter.com/DICERAW/status/1290631331370733569?s=20

that's ALL he had to say? Lol.
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183. "RIGHT, i guess they believe in rape, sexual assault etc. "
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_____________________
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239. "^"
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of all the inflammatory issues to absolve.
SMH

  

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251. "RE: RIGHT, i guess they believe in rape, sexual assault etc. "
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>

Speaking of..

does anybody remember this song?

Dice Raw "I Do What I Like"
from Okayplayer, True Notes Vol.1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKTesfCnYpw

lyrics:

I roll one up
See a bad bitch man, stroll on up
Ha ma
I'd really like to date ya
Knowing down inside I'D LIKE TO RAPE YA
Because
I'm really perverted
In South Africa you know kids get murdered
And if
That's my game, that's what I spit to the dame
They like the idea of dealing with a guy with a brain
But then
I'm sorta insane
But don't that's just how I do my thang

  

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254. "bruh I have this compilation & never listened to this song. wth! nm"
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---

https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


welp

  

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261. "RE: bruh I have this compilation & never listened to this song. wth! nm"
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>
>---
>
>https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul
>
>
>welp

This track always stood out to me for that exact line like, "did he really just say that shit?"

Yes, yes he did.

  

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185. "It’s like he’s saying"
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“Sure, all of the sexual assault allegations are true but I’m drawing the line with the ghost writing allegation, how dare you say that?”

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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186. "or..."
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Maybe he has the decency to not use his long time friends' personal lives as internet fodder.

Why do yall think you get to demand anything from these people?

_____________________________________

Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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190. "I haven’t demanded anything of him"
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I’m pointing out a dumb tweet of his.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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194. "except thats not what hes saying at all SMH"
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>Sure, all of the sexual assault allegations are true

y'all are wildin out in here
jag deserves to be heard and to speak her truth
but that doesn't mean everything she said is to be taken at face value, esp when she has mixed in some highly questionable shit along with what could very well be credible allegations
not addressing her accusations is not an admission of guilt

  

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195. "I have no idea what happened, not saying I do"
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That’s not my point. If I get accused of murder, rape, and stealing a ham sandwich my response isn’t going to be “I don’t even like ham sandwiches.” If you think it was a good idea for him to tweet that I’m not gonna argue with you.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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197. "huh? was dice even accused of any foul shit?"
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she was basically just saying Dice Raw lost his gifts as an emcee bc he's been hanging out ghostwriting w/The Roots too long. So that's what he addressed.
it makes complete sense that he wouldn't wade into this any further than she dragged him in.
If i missed where she was accusing him specifically of rape or sexual assault, then OK - but i dont think that part was directed at him.

  

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253. "she said Dice continued to rock with her ex husband..."
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even knowing he was abusive, because he got discounted Polo gear...going as far as to say that was his man and their stuff was between them.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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198. "What was he accused of? "
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Was Dice accused of being abusive? Rape? Assault?



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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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201. "RE: What was he accused of? "
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he was accused of ghostwriting
which is what he responded to
but because he didn't deny a rape that he was never accused of he's an admitted rapist now according to Mak
folk on some bullshit in here

  

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204. "Yeah.. she didn't really go in on Dice"
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but I can see how she would be frustrated he stayed when she left but maybe Dice A prefers the stability of being in the Roots crew?

As far as the rape stuff. Yeah.. it serves no purpose for him to address something he didn’t do or witness.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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225. "I don't think that's what he said"
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but clearly a lot of your self value is wrapped up in playing defense on anything and everything that might be a problem

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227. "i mean, you don't know me, but OK"
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and i stand by what i wrote - mak's insinuations in his posts are crystal clear - he's accusing him of guilt by omission

  

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252. "it literally does not say that but as you know, you need to feel attacke..."
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262. "this is coming from the guy"
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who literally attacks people on these boards all the time for no reason whatsoever
so i understand why you would project that on me - but nah, no one here is attacking me, or has ever attacked me, besides you

TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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263. "I’m here to co-sign this"
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>
>TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within
>Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and
>toxicity. *shrug*

Mods here have ALWAYS been on some suspect cornball shit.

Like the first question on the mod app is “are you wack as fuck?”

  

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344. "#metoo"
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>
>>
>>TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely
>within
>>Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and
>>toxicity. *shrug*
>
>Mods here have ALWAYS been on some suspect cornball shit.
>
>Like the first question on the mod app is “are you wack as
>fuck?”

  

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362. "I love that the same exact people who deny women are being harassed"
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are now trying to use the same hashtag to pretend to be victims.

it's perfect.



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364. "remember when you were posting Daily Caller articles "
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that called cosby accusers liars?

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12699095&mesg_id=12699095&listing_type=search


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365. "I made the comment he co-signed and you ain’t got shit to say to me"
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So shut the fuck up bro.

  

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367. "I apologize for not thinking enough of you to reply to you."
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I'd say something about you but I have no idea who you are and I find your statement to be irrelevant.

There's nothing that comes to mind about what you said or who you are.

I hope that on some level, in some way, there are people who value you and are interested in your opinion. I am not one of those people and I do not anticipate ever becoming one of those people.

Best wishes in your future endeavors.

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372. "Don’t need you to care"
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Just be consistent or shut the fuck up

  

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373. "do you want me to shut the fuck up or do you want me to reply to you"
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the messaging is very inconsistent and it's confusing for me.

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374. "It’s pretty clear I’m telling you to shut the fuck up"
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Or you can keep proving these people’s point...it’s on you bro.

  

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375. "cool, cuz I was worried it was affecting you emotionally"
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when I ignored you.

but now that I know it doesn't I can keep doing it with a clean conscience.


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265. "Damn"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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267. "Some truth in this"
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273. "Some?"
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______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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335. "nothing but the truth"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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271. "Ouch!"
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>who literally attacks people on these boards all the time for
>no reason whatsoever
>so i understand why you would project that on me - but nah, no
>one here is attacking me, or has ever attacked me, besides
>you
>
>TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within
>Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and
>toxicity. *shrug*

Lol. So on point

  

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274. "factual."
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_____________________________________

Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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291. "thank you for representing the losers, we need your perspective"
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283. "I was wondering how much longer "Bitch! Get back in the Kitchen" Guy"
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Would be allowed to hold himself as holier than thou.




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285. ""Bitch! Get back in the Kitchen" Guy "
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Bruh... lmao.

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288. "where'd I say I was holier than thou?"
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I do however like that literally the only thing you think you have on me is from 15 years ago.

keep going.

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309. "Fair. You should respond by bringing up a post where I called a woman..."
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Outside her name and ran her off the boards.

It's also noteworthy that your response is "that was 15 years ago" while we talk about the behavior of men...more than 15 years ago.

It's just galling you didn't decide to sit this one out.


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314. "except, not only was it 15 years ago"
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it's also not what you claim it was.

because I didn't run anyone off the boards. and if you gave a shit about her beyond the way you imagine you could use that post against me, you'd know that we were friends when she was still posting, and still are now.

but you don't care about her as an actual person.

you just want to use her and ignore anything that you don't like

like an abuser does.

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317. "AHHHH!! I am the one who is the actual abuser!!"
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Though you can't cite a single example of me being abusive to someone here?

And your response is you aren't an abuser, because she forgave you and you are friends now. Because no one remains friends or keep in their life abusive people?

I don't know her. But I will tell you this, I cared enough about her enough in the first instance to not speak to her like that (or mention her screen name now). At this point, I will be transparent enough to admit that I bring up that instance not because I am seeking justice for her, but rather I am trying to prove you are full of sh*t.


But You know what, don't sit this one out. I want you to keep talking about it.

Do you regret how you spoke to her?

Would you mind if I (or someone else) shared screenshots from that post to let others judge whether you were being abusive?

Do you regret how some time later you made a whole nother post joking about it? (the one where it sounded like you were going to apologize about it but you didn't). Would you mind if I (or someone else) shared screenshots from THAT post to let others judge whether you were making light of the matter?

You say you guys are all good now but you also say I am abuser with no evidence so, I am a bit skeptical. Anyway you can prove it?

Listen man, if you were serious about these issue you could speak honestly about it and answer or talk about the questions I pose, or you can be snarky, deflect and keep it moving like I pretty much bet money you will do.


Your call.







>it's also not what you claim it was.
>
>because I didn't run anyone off the boards. and if you gave a
>shit about her beyond the way you imagine you could use that
>post against me, you'd know that we were friends when she was
>still posting, and still are now.
>
>but you don't care about her as an actual person.
>
>you just want to use her and ignore anything that you don't
>like
>
>like an abuser does.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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319. "DARVO"
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you notice how when I mentioned that what you were doing is the same as what abusers do


you started lying about how I claimed you were an abuser?

and then you lied about me, and her, and everything that happened.

it's funny, someone mentioned this pattern earlier in this very post!

"C) its really incredibly fucked up to co-opt other peoples abuse and tell their stories - that's not your place and it makes me question your motivation and integrity"




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320. "Anyone else seeing this?"
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tell me more RJCC.


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323. "what's new about you lying?"
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340. "this Chris Brown shxt?"
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you'd know that we were friends when she was still posting, and still are now.
^^

yeah I see it.

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359. "being friends with people is chris brown shit?"
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I thought chris brown shit was hitting women but maybe I'm confused.

y'all are so desperate

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330. "gaslighting 101"
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post 314:
>you just want to use her and ignore anything that you don't like
>like an abuser does.

post 319:
>you started lying about how I claimed you were an abuser

  

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358. "you mean, saying words?"
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396. "Saying contradictory words and denying the contradiction "
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Peace,

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450. "there's no contradiction. so...."
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624. "RE: there's no contradiction. so...."
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post 314:
>you just want to use her and ignore anything that you don't like
>like an abuser does.

post 319:
>you started lying about how I claimed you were an abuseR

The contradiction is you accused someone of acting like an abuser does and then said they lied about you claiming they were an abuser.

Obviously if you said someone was acting like an abuser, they have reasonable grounds to think you’re accusing them of being an abuser

If someone said you’re acting like an asshole, they’re effectively calling you an asshole. .

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289. "so you admit nobody's attacking you and that you were lying"
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because the post didn't say shit like what you claimed.

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294. "that's all you have to say for yourself?"
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like really, thats your response?
ok.

  

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295. "I said you would lie about being attacked"
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and your response was to lie about me supposedly attacking you.

that's all you have, because you really don't want to talk about how you were lying about what malik said.

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299. "for the 2nd time"
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i stand by what i said about mak's posts - its all there for anyone to read and agree/disagree with.

>your response was to lie about me supposedly attacking you.

i mean, there are numerous examples of you attacking myself and others in this very thread, and every other thread you go into. No one bothered to stick up for you when i called you out on your behavior, but over half a dozen people were quick to co-sign. I just laid bare what everyone already knows.
You can keep pointing fingers, but you're the problem. You attack people. You insult people. You gaslight. You're toxic and mean for no reason. You are everything that Jag is speaking out against right now.

  

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300. "so many examples that you can't actually point out any of them"
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but you can lie about them, just like I said you would.

all because you imagined an accusation about someone you don't even know.

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331. "toxicity 101"
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in this very thread you've called people losers and abusers
you've derided my "self-value"

here are some greatest hits from recent threads
"congratulations on being a loser"
"you're a fuckin fool"
"you dumb shit."
"I can't even imagine how stupid you'd have to be"
"you're the dumbest motherfucker in the entire world"
"you should throw yourself into a volcano"
"look at this fuckface"
"they're losers just like you"
"your life sucks."
"you're an idiot."

  

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360. "who did I tell that their life sucks?"
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literally none of those are attacks.

if you don't like factual statements that's not my fault.

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368. "so in order to willfully abuse the community"
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that you're ostensibly here to moderate, you've resorted to feigned ignorance of how the english language works.

>literally none of those are attacks.

Well that's checkmate to you, sir - i got nothing.

  

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369. "many of those aren't even about specific people"
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if you're upset on behalf of the lincoln project then that's on you.

you want words to mean something other than what they mean. this is not my fault.

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399. "correct - what you did was far worse"
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>many of those aren't even about specific people

in those instances your insults were directed at anyone in the thread who had XYZ opinion - when numerous people had already stated that opinion
they were wholesale attacks on the community you're meant to be moderating
moderators by definition are meant to foster dialogue - you openly attempt to shut it down with insults, bullying, and pettiness.
most forums aiming for a decorum anywhere north of Youtube comments would have booted you years ago.
on okayplayer you're a moderator.

which seems about right.

  

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401. "Well said"
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>>many of those aren't even about specific people
>
>in those instances your insults were directed at anyone in the
>thread who had XYZ opinion - when numerous people had already
>stated that opinion
>they were wholesale attacks on the community you're meant to
>be moderating
>moderators by definition are meant to foster dialogue - you
>openly attempt to shut it down with insults, bullying, and
>pettiness.
>most forums aiming for a decorum anywhere north of Youtube
>comments would have booted you years ago.
>on okayplayer you're a moderator.
>
>which seems about right.

  

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409. "."
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Mon Aug-10-20 03:07 AM by Vector

  

          

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408. "so is it a wholesale attack on the community"
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or is about people who "have a certain opinion"

you can even maintain a logical thread in your own reply.

As I said at the beginning - I know you need to feel like you're being attacked.

the truth, that I don't care about you, is just a little too painful.

btw - anyone who supports white supremacists like the people who are behind the lincoln project should feel attacked, rejected, put down, dismissed, devalued and belittled.

sory bro, I'm not pro-white supremacist support and won't be.

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412. "keep defending your behavior in that one thread"
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when there are literally hundreds of others where you abuse this community in the exact same way. I didn't even look hard tracking down all those examples - they were just from a handful of recent threads.

fact remains, not a single person in this community, that you supposedly represent, has checked me, or tried to tell me ive got it wrong about you. Which is really the saddest part of all - you've dedicated a couple decades of your online life here, and you don't have an ounce of goodwill to show for it.

You are nothing but a malignancy here.

  

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417. "you should keep using this logic in your daily life"
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it will serve you well and things will go great.

please post about it all the time I'd love to hear about how it works out


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410. "."
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436. "***THE DOORS OF THE CHURCH ARE OPEN***"
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>in those instances your insults were directed at anyone in the
>thread who had XYZ opinion - when numerous people had already
>stated that opinion
>they were wholesale attacks on the community you're meant to
>be moderating
>moderators by definition are meant to foster dialogue - you
>openly attempt to shut it down with insults, bullying, and
>pettiness.
>most forums aiming for a decorum anywhere north of Youtube
>comments would have booted you years ago.
>on okayplayer you're a moderator.
>
>which seems about right.

  

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543. "Can I Venmo my offering? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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348. "Big facts:"
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>TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within
>Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and
>toxicity. *shrug*

Dude unabashedly attacks any and everyone he disagrees with - follows/trolls them all across social media - and then makes it personal (yet almost always doesn't even know the person he's taking in real life).

Toxic AF


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361. "I have never at any point sent you a follow or friend request"
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you've friend requested me

if you're upset with how that worked out...stop doing it?

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363. "weirdo response. "
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366. "*sets calendar for next dm from vex*"
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413. "your creep dms and trolling is why you got blocked by many"
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as font eloquently said - that someone as abusive, disrespectful, and cowardly like yourself is empowered to be a mod here speaks volumes.

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418. "ohhhh, so now you're projecting."
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because this is only true about one of us, and it isn't me.

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421. "lol you just admitted above that you got blocked, but ok."
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Of course - after dozens of people come in here to essentially say the same troubling things about how you conduct yourself - it's obviously everyone else's fault and you have nothing to do with it, right?

Keep that narcissist energy going playboy.

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424. "...where did I "admit" I got blocked? by who?"
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24+ people have reported getting DMs from me? I would like to see it.


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426. "keep up the good work."
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379. "Lmao ugh oh. Maybe that’s the source of all this "
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>you've friend requested me
>
>if you're upset with how that worked out...stop doing it?
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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420. "and vex knows it's true."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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437. "In fairness, the ghostwriting part is all he was named as a part of"
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Jag never said Dice was pretty for any of the sexual assaults, but did say Dice ghostwrote, so he probably just responded to her comments that directly named him.

You can criticize that as a choice, but there is some internal logic there: "I'm gonna speak on whether what she said about *me* is true"

Surely someone else from Malik's immediate crew would know?

Total side note: why didn't Malik collab with more Philly cats? He seemed street oriented and I could easily hear him on a track with anybody in State Prop...

Peace,

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188. "What else would he speak on publicly that would benefit him? "
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None of this should be addressed online.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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203. "Yet in this little interview from 2014, Black Thought confirms"
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that Dice is his "writing partner" and that Dice, along with Greg P.O.R.N., are essentially the "recording nucleus of The Roots." Take that as you will. But the influence is especially obvious on their past three albums (which I found incredibly lacking, personally)

"My manager, Richard Nichols, who also executive produces a lot of The Roots stuff, he works with Greg P.O.R.N., who’s an MC who’s always featured on Roots albums, and Dice Raw, Karl Dice Jenkins, who is just pretty much my writing partner, the three of them collaborate often on music that will become The Roots music before it’s officially Roots music. They’ll collaborate, as far as what their ideas are, for beats that may or may not work, and Dice will start coming up with choruses, and he’ll try and come up with a verse of his own, and P.O.R.N. usually comes up with one of the first verses out of our crew that I hear on any of our records. For all intensive purposes, they’re kind of like the – they’re the recording nucleus of The Roots . . . But, these – Rich Nichols, Dice Raw, Greg P.O.R.N., they’ve been actually working on this album for 3 years. It’s just weird. It’s a weird, dysfunctional – we’re like dysfunction junction. …but it works out in the end, kind of thing."

https://rapverbiage.com/2014/03/08/black-thought/

  

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205. "i mean"
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he described the "recording nucleus of The Roots" in pretty great detail there - and its a far cry from "ghostwriting"
i dont know how anyone can listen to dice spit a verse and listen to thought spit a verse and take that seriously.
Im not talking about hooks or song structures or anything like that - we all know what "ghostwriting" means and insinuates - and this ain't it.

  

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212. "That’s not ghostwriting.. that’s song writing. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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219. "this is starting to feel like "damned if you do, damned if you don't""
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this is a response to everybody's questions/responses under my reply.


I do completely understand the stance of, "why would/should he say anything further since the rest of it is not HIS story to tell?"

The thing is, given the slew of heavier accusations towards the group as a whole, we don't know if it was implied or not that Dice was on that tour bus too, allegedly carrying out or enabling abusive behavior because no one has really been singled out yet. We don't have a specific "whodunit". THAT is something much more serious and that's why I felt that only seeing the ghostwriting accusation being dismissed by him (so far), seemed trivial at first, compared to the bigger picture.


For those asking what else Dice did, she said it in her IG Live that started all this. Watch from 37:40-40:05 https://www.instagram.com/tv/CDTq_eHFNyS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Side note - the writing partners thing was well known around here, no? I def remember reading and remembering that interview and hearing about it from them elsewhere. Don't lots of songwriters/rap groups in general do that? The "ghostwriting" thing itself didn't really stir me up, because yeah that def ain't it at all.


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224. "I'm confused about what era he's from"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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259. "he appears to be suggesting that jag has mental heath issues"
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https://twitter.com/DICERAW/status/1290723603374276612?s=20

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192. "very sad, i hope she can find some peace n/m"
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193. ""let me jump on this grenade real quick" © Tiffany Haddish"
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https://twitter.com/enews/status/1290679476347691011

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199. "More today...”a member of the Roots told me R Kelly was none of my biz..."
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because “that man makes people millionaires”

  

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202. "way too much vague BS in here"
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if you're gonna call someone out, call them out.
this ain't festivus - if you're going to air grievances and accusations, i guess it's easier to make it general so no on can actually respond to you.

i want to believe her, and i want to hold those who did wrong responsible. But when you're airing out the stories of OTHER victims on the one hand, and being super vague on the other, its hard to take other allegations that may be more credible seriously.

  

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216. "what reason she got to lie on her kids grave for?"
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218. "didn't say she was lying"
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but with all the shit she dropping, i can garaun-damn-tee you there are at least what i would call multiple versions or perspectives of the truth. I assure you that she may be speaking her truth, but other people's truths may not line up with hers.

But she doesn't have to address those discrepancies by making vague accusations like this

  

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221. "what could the other side be to "I woke up w/ d#%k in my mouth""
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223. "well the other side could be"
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"yo that sister is crazy i never did anything approaching that"

or it could be

"that's something i did that im really not proud of and XYZ is why ive grown since then and you deserve my sincerest apology for my behavior"

or it could be

"i thought we had something between us that we clearly didnt in hindsight and i didn't realize she was asleep"

or it could be

"my issues with drinking in the past are well documented and i dont remember doing this but i absolutely could have and im ashamed"


etc etc etc. There's another side attached to that dick in her face, whether you want to admit it or not.

  

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228. "Or it could be...."
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None of our fucking business.

  

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229. "PFFFT - yo tell that to jag"
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im not the one who put this shit on blast

  

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264. "Re: R. Kelly, she said he had them (Roots members) going "
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to King and Gratz high schools and some middle school on Allegheny in North Philly to get girls for him when he was recording at a studio in Philly.

  

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220. "Maaaaan....."
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I understand her feeling some kind of way about how things went down with her and these individuals but this is some other shit right here.

Let Malik B rest in peace if that's what this is really about.

Handle the rest of this shit at another time.

All this grief judging is some bullshit.

She's just popping off the whole clip and is reckless with it. Her pain is her pain but someone needs to sit her down and let her know that we all have stories to tell. I'm sure the people named have stories to tell.

Being in the business or even just being hood famous is some stressful shit. Especially these days when the past isn't the past. Social media has your business of blast 24/7. It's good in a sense but then it's not because not everything is meant for the consumption of people outside of the shit. Even the people in here talking shit have done stuff they're not proud of.

I hope she finds her peace man. I really do. But this ain't it.

  

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231. "What if this IS it?"
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>I hope she finds her peace man. I really do. But this ain't
>it.

What if THIS is how she finds her peace?

Or is it not "it" because YOU say it isn't?

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233. "Then so be it....."
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Doesn't mean we all have to be down for it like this though. It sucks that some private shit can't stay private.

The reactions to this shit are wildly kneejerk and hypocritical too.

Like one of the other dudes way saying.....the fans are running with this shit and putting gas on it.

She has to know that this is going to be what happens with this.....wild wild overreactions about the drama and not really much care and compaassion for Malik B.

If her whole goal by airing shit out is to make people put some respect on Malik B name....I don't know if this is how you do that.

  

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234. "first of all"
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>Doesn't mean we all have to be down for it like this though.
>It sucks that some private shit can't stay private.

She isn't asking anyone to be down with it..she doing what the fuck she wants with information that she knows...and from the looks of it, she's keeping certain things private, as well.

>The reactions to this shit are wildly kneejerk and
>hypocritical too.

from who? everyone? or some people?

there's gonna be a whole lot of different reactions to it..again, Jag don't care. She's doing her. That shit is freeing as fuck and I see it in her eyes...this is bringing her peace.

>Like one of the other dudes way saying.....the fans are
>running with this shit and putting gas on it.

again, that's out of her control. it has nothing to do with her..people gonna do what they gonna do regardless.

that doesn't mean she should not be speaking her truth. the fans are not her responsibility.

to quote Jag, "I'm not making anybody do shit."


>If her whole goal by airing shit out is to make people put
>some respect on Malik B name....I don't know if this is how
>you do that.

maybe it is maybe it isnt...that isn't for you/us to decide though. She's mourning. Grief looks different for everyone. grief brings up shit that was buried

My husband died almost two month ago and i'm consistently surprised with how the grief is affecting me...i'm changed in ways i can't even articulate...

if her version of grieving him is anger,rage, and excorcism, then so be it.

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235. "Y'all still cheerleading this shit?"
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Her shitting on any human (male or female) attached to the Roots success?

Her making everyone's sexual exploits sounds shady and scandalous besides her own?

Why hasn't anyone stepped up to corroborate her story?

Is Malik B's family in support of her crusade?

  

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236. "Well umm... she is having an open forum for women tomorrow"
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to share their experiences of abuse from The Roots Crew... says that dozens of women have contacted her... so... yknow there's that.

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238. "She still hasn't really explained how she was abused by them "
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>to share their experiences of abuse from The Roots Crew...
>says that dozens of women have contacted her... so... yknow
>there's that.

  

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241. "Yes she has."
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She said she was never sexually assaulted by them, but she saw what happened to others.
She talked about how the stole a tour from her right after her son was born.
Talked about how they told people not to work with her.
Talked about being underpaid.
Talked about being gaslit.
Talked about not being supported after her od, and continuing to seek Polo discounts from her exhusband.
Talked about the lack of support after her son's murder.


Ya'll just hear what you want.

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270. "Keep us posted on when she has the women's forum. "
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Up until this point I've gotten the feeling that Jag is spinning her situations with the Roots a bit but if more women are coming forward to tell stories of mistreatment I can only welcome and support that.

  

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278. "Two Questions"
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>She said she was never sexually assaulted by them, but she
>saw what happened to others.
>She talked about how the stole a tour from her right after her
>son was born.
>Talked about how they told people not to work with her.
>Talked about being underpaid.
>Talked about being gaslit.
>Talked about not being supported after her od, and continuing
>to seek Polo discounts from her exhusband.
>Talked about the lack of support after her son's murder.
>
>
>Ya'll just hear what you want.


I haven't really listened to the Jag IGs but have been seeing what folks are saying here and on twitter so this is as good as a summation of what the Roots did to her but do you think the things you just listed constitute abuse?

also, I didn't see people talking about her being a drug user but did I read you right and that she had OD'd ?




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280. "Most of that is industry rule 4080 shit. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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292. "except that to her, these aren't "record company people""
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these were her close friends.
And one's who have built a reputation off being woke or whatever.
And she points out that other people got mistreated worse than her. Se points to Flo Brown, Malik, Hub and others.

And Buddy RE: her od
Jag says that she OD'd because her pills had been switched. The ones she thought she took are not the ones she ended up taking. She OD'd and woke up to find out that her husband had found her in a pool of blood and didn't take her to the hospital, didn't seek any medical treatment for her, just put her in the bed and left her there for like 26 hours. She would later find out that only a couple weeks earlier he had upped her life insurance policy, which leads her to believe that he tried to kill her. She told The Roots crew about this and the response was essentially "well that's between ya'll, he's still hooking us up with these Polo discounts"

She also says that her drug and alcohol abuse can be attributed to what she'd gone through over there years in dealing with them.

Whether all that amounts to "abuse" I suppose is up to your definition. But if your definition is the "continued mistreatment of someone over time," then yeah, i would say it is.

Then stealing her tour, is super fucked. She says she had a European tour lined up right after her son was born. The Roots apparently told her that she needed to go on the road with them. Then they told the promoters that she was going to stay home to raise her son, but they would do the tour for an increased fee.

She talks about how they stole her Pepsi promotion from her in somewat similar fashion.

Honestly, you should just watch the videos.

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298. "But it is industry 4080 shit"
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Friends fall out over business all the time and this is when you find out who your real friends are..

No shade to Philly niggas but... they a lil different. I lived there during her rise to fame and I was close with a number of producers and artist trying to get on. Niggas is grimy fam. Smile in your face, come to the crib to hear your beats and then steal your equipment a week later.

I don’t doubt any of her stories about the business side of things. I completely understand how she feels betrayed. You see how they did Jill. Wouldn’t sign her because of the way she looked. Didn’t believe she would sell records. Left Eve waiting for a limo that never came for the video.

That’s not abuse tho..

She even said she turned down more money because she was loyal to people who weren’t loyal to her. I believe it. But I mean... that’s the music biz. It’s ugly she should’ve taken that deal. I’m sure a lot of her frustration and regret is not putting her biz first.

Who was her manager? A lot of this really comes down to who her manager was because if it was the same manager as the Roots? Who you think brokered that deal for the tour without her for more money? It wasn’t Quest and BT. It was the manager.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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303. "Wait yea what's this Eve story ? Don't think I ever heard it."
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>Left Eve
>waiting for a limo that never came for the video.

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315. "Supposedly Eve was supposed to be in the You Got Me video"
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They told her a limo would come to pick her up and bring her to the shoot. She waited.. and waited.. and it never came.

can’t confirm if it’s true but.. she wasn’t in the video.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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324. "lol damn. That's cold."
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I always thought she *was* in the video but now I remember that she's, in fact, not.

Does the video even have her verse ? I can't remember. If it does who does her part, if anyone ?

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328. "Here is how it’s explained "
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https://www.okayplayer.com/music/jill-scott-erykah-badu-verzuz-you-got-me.html

Quest says the record label had the final decisions on both decisions for the video regarding Badu, Scott and Eve.

and it’s not like it couldn’t be true. It’s record label shit.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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329. "I never had an issue with that situation"
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I fully understand Jill and Eve’s feelings but I wasn’t faulting The Roots for that.

That’s how record labels work. The Roots didn’t have any hits up to that point so in the landscape of 1999, it would be insane for the label not to push for Badu who was coming off of a big debut as opposed to an unknown Jill Scott.

I think The Roots actually did a great job of being Jill in tour and giving her that shine because when you went to shows you got introduced to the writer of the song and it was a nice touch to big her up. I think we all understood the game and the decision to put Badu.

As far as Eve, I did feel it was strange to not list her as a feature and to not have her in the video. But that’s something that was very likely the label’s decision as well. Why would anyone act like The Roots have a say? OutKast had 3 platinum albums and had to fight to keep the guitar solo on B.O.B. so why would The Roots have decision making power at that point?

And if the label sends a car for Eve for the video and it doesn’t show up, why is that The Roots fault. The Roots don’t have power at the label but at the same time I don’t think ?uest and Thought were responsible for arranging transportation for guest artists lol

  

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341. "I think people (myself included) have a hard time accepting..."
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how the industry operates.

When these stories are told it’s usually by someone who is mad at the artist so it comes off like the Roots made these decisions and not the label.

So when JW is saying this stuff it sounds fucked yo and it IS fucked up but people are just trying to stay in the industry. A lot of people can’t handle the way shit works so they walk away from it.

when we have these debates about new artist signing bad deals people don’t realize it’s either bad deal or no deal. My peoples in LA been burned more than a few times by “coworkers and friends” when it comes to publishing, credit, etc.

You will see 8 producers in the room and they are all trying to cut each others necks off to get on the record.

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343. "Exactly"
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And I really don’t understand the Malik situation.

I LOVE Malik and think he and Thought were on the same level of Big and Dre and Ghost and Rae and Hav and P...etc.

I loved them as a duo.

But if you’re in a group and one member is not putting in the same amount of work, why do the rest have to go the extra mile for that one person.

I’ve been to multiple Roots shows in the Northeast and have never seen Malik there. So why would anyone expect his cut to be the same as the rest when their bread and butter was touring. That’s where they made money and he refused to go for whatever reason. It’s doesn’t matter if it was an addiction or just simply not wanting to be on the road. Bottom line is that he wasn’t there.

Also, he wasn’t on every song. Now that may be because The Roots played him and purposely kept him off but that has not been the story at all. It just seemed Malik was one of those dudes that did what he wanted and he wasn’t concerned with being a big time rapper. Like he did the shit on the side lol.

As far as the addiction, I think it’s pretty clear there was a problem there because all sides have said that. The issue seems to be how it was handled. Jag seems to think they didn’t do enough. But let’s be realistic. We all have friends with struggles and as you get older and life happens and your responsibilities grow, it’s harder to continuously help people in those positions, especially after you have tried and tried.

None of us are at liberty to say how much The Roots did or didn’t do for Malik and we can’t just sit here and take Jag’s word for it either. I just think we need to all be realistic and mature enough to understand how life works.

You are a group maintaining and trying to grow your popularity so you can keep making music and doing what you love and in order to do so, you’re on the road 300+ days out of the year. One member is deciding not to take part in that work. Who here would say “yeah you stay home and we will do all this work and at the end of the day we will still split the pie evenly”? Not one of us! On top of that this member has issues that they’re dealing with that you’re trying to help with but ultimately can’t seem to influence for a number of reasons. At some point, you can’t care more than the person.

It just seems like we have a hard time putting ourselves in others shoes and seeing the story from all angles. I mean, I just typed that and at the same time I am also shitting on ?uest in this post for other things. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

None of us have the entire story but certain things just don’t add up.

I will also add on that everything I said has nothing to do with her claims of the sexual assault, etc. as that is a different situation and a very serious one in my opinion. I won’t comment on that as the people involved need to sort that out.

Also, the Hub situation, if true is also some complete bullshit on The Roots part.



  

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345. "lol @ you having an intelligent, well thought, nuanced reply"
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This ain't that place anymore fam. It's just insults, hot takes, and 'pick a side' culture.

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336. "I have no interest in telling someone what they experienced isn't abuse"
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297. "it's weird how buddy has different definitions of abuse"
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depending on whether or not he thinks it's personally useful

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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279. "I'm struggling with how all of this honors Malik"
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Folks up above said "Don't tell her how to process her grief!"

Yet, seems like a lot of the same folks are disappointed in 15's post for instance.

So...its okay to tell him how to process his grief?

Or Thought?

Or anyone who hasn't said anything?




Almost seems like some folks in here are excited to see it all burn down...which is...odd.


She isn't honoring Malik any better than anyone else from where I'm sitting. She is intent on burning it all down...and maybe she has good reason...but it isn't honoring Malik to do so.

All the Malik B love in my timeline lasted a day...then it was taken over by this.

Obviously, the sexual assault allegation is serious. And it should be treated seriously. And I want Com to respond. I don't want it to get lost in all of this.


Unfortunately, the assault allegation probably has been lost (along with any honor to Malik) in an absolute mess that has included other people's business, hearsay, in some cases telling on herself if what she says is true, and even something as silly as showing she either lied about ghostwriting or doesn't even know what ghostwriting is.


I really think for her sake and Malik B's sake she needs to really focus on what actually happened to her when she is ready to do so.

And yes, I'm offering my thoughts on what I think she should do.

While I'm at it, I'll also add that I was disappointed in the oils post.

But I'm scratching my head at "You can't tell Jag how to process this" and "fuck 15 and his oils post...I believe every word she says!"

I find that...weird.

*shrug*

  

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290. "two things have been happening at once"
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>She isn't honoring Malik any better than anyone else from
>where I'm sitting. She is intent on burning it all down...and
>maybe she has good reason...but it isn't honoring Malik to do
>so.

- honoring of the deceased
- venting and airing our grievances (after the first step wasnt done properly in her eyes)

most can agree he's been written off as a footnote in their history, Jag took that personal. again, she's had ample opportunity to speak out for some time. their mishandling of Malik's passing had her take us deep into the rabbit hole

  

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293. "Comm should definitely respond. Especially after his book."
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>Obviously, the sexual assault allegation is serious. And it
>should be treated seriously. And I want Com to respond. I
>don't want it to get lost in all of this.

Where, when doing press for the book, he talked open and often about how people need and deserve to heal when they've been assaulted, etc.

I'd be interested to see what he has to say about this in light of all that. And obviously most importantly, assuming it's true, so that Jag can get some clearly-needed closure to that situation.

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322. "I don't think any of them will respond. "
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at least of the main folks that she's did stuff to her. they'll asked about, but won't offer anything that's not being 'nice' to Jag. They won't throw her under the bus, but I doubt they'll directly address any of this without force.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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325. "Word. That'd be weak af on their parts."
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All the preaching they do, especially someone like Comm who I always believe has practiced what he preached.

Would be disappointing for them to full on dodge.

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667. "Common did respond"
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668. "Well I'm glad that's settled"
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R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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669. "ok"
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244. ""15" isnt so funny anymore"
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for people who got here late, someone attached to this story aired out her grievances as reply 15 years ago and got deleted/banned

then the drummer made that his username

even the prelude to the Do You Want More Ursula Rucker poem about treating a woman disposable doesnt sound like fiction anymore

we may have been blinded to a lot because of dope beats and rhymes

  

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248. "thanks. someone told me the story of 15 the other day"
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and I really didn't know. Well, I thought I asked years ago but completely forgot. It was after I referred to him as that on my first reply here.

Yeah somebody else said the same thing about that song.
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250. "Shit. I forgot that was the reason for 15."
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Seems like 100 years ago.

I’m late to the game on this JW stuff, but damn. Always a horrible look when you face those accusations.

Any chance this gets an investigation?

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258. "hell this makes me want to revisit the Eve story"
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304. "Just asked about this above - what happened ?"
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456. "Quite honestly, I can't remember what the bottom line was"
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on why she wasn't in the You Got Me video. All I know is Quest saw my question in one of these forums - either here or Lesson and he went on this weird convoluted explanation about timing, obligations and contracts and whatnot. I'm talking like 15 years or more ago in here. It was just weird. I need to see if it's in the archives.

  

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255. "Don't laugh - how do I watch without and Instagram acct?"
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only one I have see so far is the link in the OP

♥ Inescapably Me ♥

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260. "her page isnt locked, anyone can watch"
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instagram dot com backslash jaguar wright

  

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266. "As of April 2020: Instagram no longer allows people without an account "
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to view photos and videos on computers"

https://manualdousuario.net/instagram-photos-videos-unlogged-on-computers/

Along with the link above, I found the link to the one where she tell the Common story last night and I watch the whole thing. At this point I think I don't want to watch anymore, lol. It left me feeling sad worried about her.

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269. "Where's the one with the Common story ?"
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>Along with the link above, I found the link to the one where
>she tell the Common story last night and I watch the whole
>thing. At this point I think I don't want to watch anymore,
>lol. It left me feeling sad worried about her.

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282. "RE: Where's the one with the Common story ?"
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https://www.instagram.com/tv/CDZG3yqFgq3/

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305. "Damn that's fucked up. Also had no idea he dated Lauryn Hill."
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At first I assumed she'd mixed her up w/Erykah but then she brought up Erykah right after, saying "then after her it was Erykah .." or whatever.

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307. "BTW who is the other chick on the live ? Just listening for an hour ? LO..."
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281. "RE: her page isnt locked, anyone can watch"
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damn this shit has reached s u n a j levels?

  

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257. "Forget the ghost writing, the sexual misconduct is what's disturbing"
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I believe her.

  

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268. "Shit is dangerous ... driving and recording a video at the same time"
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272. "Never understood the obsession with driving and recording"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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306. "Kweli IG: "If you ain't hear it from the squad then your info faulty AF""
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Uhmmmm dunno if I'd agree w/that, generally.

Wonder if this is in reference to this ? And/or the Twitter situation

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDhUmdig-Oc/?igshid=1b6nvj25or9v4

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310. "Why do you think this is related? "
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This does remind me though that nobody gave Azaelia Banks the "believe black women" treatment when she accused Chappelle of some bs. I wonder why Jaguar's stories have more veracity.

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311. "I said "I wonder," not "I think.""
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And it comes to mind obviously because of the timing.

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321. "Banks has rep for being saying and doing wild shit."
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she's more current in this social media age. Jag isn't as well known and has largely be absent to most people.

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326. "Oh and what's the Azelia story ? Never heard it I don't think."
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Which kinda further proves your point, of course. Ha.

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332. "she said they slept together. that's not an accusation. "
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333. "Dave is married. "
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334. "you said accuse as if these weren't two consenting adults"
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I can't believe you devolved into this shell of a man

  

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338. "Not sure why what i said was controversial"
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She said Dave slept with her which is an accusation of infidelity, which, last time I checked, isn't cool. But maybe that's just my hotep-centered nuclear family bias coming out.

I'll do better.

And if the rest of these niggas ya'll fuck with is the example, I'll take being a "shell of a man" any and everyday.

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346. "Dave literally has jokes in his routine about getting his dick sucked by..."
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crackheads lol

  

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337. "adultery isn't part of 'the movement'"
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unless it WASN'T consensual.

Nothing Banks said gave me the impression that she was coerced into anything.

She did accuse the RZA of 'not protecting (her)' when ol' boy allegedly spat in her face, but that's different.

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339. "yeah she only had compliments for dave lol"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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342. "I have a hard time believing Banks on this one"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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351. "i kinda dont. i could see Dave being on some "aw fuck it" shit"
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because as crazy as Azealia is, she is cute. and crazy girl sex is the best.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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355. "I googled to check her and she said Ye was a closeted homosexual"
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and lying abut being bipolar

Yeah.. I’m not sure I believe her on the Dave info.

She also just shaved all her hair off.



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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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327. "wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww"
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oh well

  

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347. "so much wrong with this post"
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egos, insults and dumb shit have trumped this woman's pain

  

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349. "that's okp for you. Women's pain gets no care here. never has"
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350. "Energy can not be created, nor destroyed,"
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only transferred or changed. 1st law of thermodynamics.

This post is the living manifestation of that law. We are all an extension of her energy.

She dealt in ego (I made OKP popular, other artists tried to be like me and couldn't)

She dealt in insults (Thought stole his rhymes, Dice has been relegated to hooks, Jill fucked her manager in high school, etcc)

So why should we be surprised that this post, which is now more than 3 times the size of the RIP post, is an extension of that same energy?

And, to be clear, her energy is a reaction to the way she's been mistreated and slighted and abused over the years, or at least her perception thereof. So it's all connected.

_____________________________________

Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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352. "plus the slut-shaming of Erykah & Jill...... iono man...."
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i will not let finite disappointment undermine infinite hope
- Cory Booker

Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
- Gary Lineker

  

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354. "^^^^JW Lucas"
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That 1st law of thermodynamics framing is just bad window dressing.

You listed the things she "dealt in", i.e, ego and insults, as though either have ANYTHING to do with what happened.

Then, you acknowledge that her "energy" stems from her experience...as though you didn't just shit on her reaction, while treating the actual experience- literally the only part that matters- as an aside.

Psst- if you gave a fuck about her experience, you wouldn't be delving into lazy, halfbaked, backpacker/stoner "science" bars to disguise the simple, obvious fact that you're searching for character flaws in the victim, rather than finding fault in the things that she says happened.

But nah- you came in with "energy" and "1st law of thermodynamics" like that shit had weight.

You're in here like JW Lucas talking to Rizza Islam about Breonna Taylor, talking about the fundamental laws of reality and quantum mechanics.

Take that empty rhetoric to a murky, boom bap piano beat.

  

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356. "You're loud and wrong"
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And I don't know who you're talking about.


>You listed the things she "dealt in", i.e, ego and insults, as
>though either have ANYTHING to do with what happened.

I'm responding to a comment about this post, not a comment about the what happened to Jag. I didn't say or intimate that anything she said had anything to do with what happened to her. I pointed out that the rhetoric she participated in mirrors what the commentor is complaining about in this post, so it shouldn't be a surprise.


>Then, you acknowledge that her "energy" stems from her
>experience...as though you didn't just shit on her reaction,
>while treating the actual experience- literally the only part
>that matters- as an aside.

This post is a response to Jag's posts. When the people she's accused of these wrongdoings made public statements, then I'l' comment on that. But her words and actions aren't beyond scrutiny because you perceive her to be a victim.

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357. "She said a lot"
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Not sure how anyone can be on some “she’s being attacked”

People are questioning if this was the best way to grieve for Malik B.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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376. "energy can be controlled though"
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this post could have stayed normal if normal people were posting here

I had an exchange with Binlahab towards the top that didnt end up productive, but it was mostly a disagreement on the topic at hand

to blame this post's direction on Jaguar is strange and not holding people involved accountable

it would have went like this no matter what the topic is, because niggas are weirdos

  

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353. "she killed this marvin tho"
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CDh91YAlKWj/

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371. "gul can SANG"
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------------------------------------
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be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

  

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380. "That she did!"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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377. "Flo Brown"
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I wonder how she feels about her private business being broadcast to the world

It seems like Jaguar isn't in touch or hasn't spoken to her in awhile but she talking about her being a "23 yr old virgin", and being assaulted by someone in the Roots and "never the same afterwards"


  

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378. "that's the part the I didn't think Jag should've included."
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I get airing out the dudes, but it doesn't make sense to me to bring up FB if they haven't discussed it beforehand. seems like she hasn't talked to FB in years. Jag's carrying some guilt about not speaking on it in the moment.

I also don't think it was wise to bring up Erykah or Jill.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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381. "A week later and her videos haven't stopped"
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Guess they'll just let the elephant stand there.

  

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382. "I unfollowed. .... it's something else entirely now...."
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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383. "yeah i'm not down with the slut shaming and trashing women's looks"
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i'll probably try to log into the next Zoom on WCW and give that feedback to the "room"

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384. "Fuck #METOO, Cosby didn't do it, women drug themselves - Jag"
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_____________________________________

Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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385. "She needs to take a break "
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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387. "she said that?"
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388. "RE: she said that?"
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CDmF0FllcBd/

_____________________________________

Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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389. ""digging up the roots""
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smh.

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390. "and who the fuck is she doing these lives w/?"
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Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

DROkayplayer™

  

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391. "this is a whole train wreck."
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these vids are all over the place.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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400. "This what I been sayin....."
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So the Roots aint shit......and Badu....and Jill......and basically anyone associated with Jags career but Bill Cosby was innocent?

A RAPIST.

Ok.

  

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402. "admitted mental health issues and lack of good logic on a topic"
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I hope you arent using either to imply her stories dont hold weight or lack truth

  

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403. "RE: lack of good logic on a topic"
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That's a fairly immature way to say you disagree with her stance.


>I hope you arent using either to imply her stories dont hold
>weight or lack truth


What? Have any of his other responses indicated that he's implying that? Because it's not there in the post you're replying to.

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405. "to say Bill Cosby isnt a rapist is saying x amount of women lied"
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Philly has a weird thing about defending him
it's poor logistically

introducing Jaguar's defense of him into this post is probably attempting to damage her credibility regarding The Roots

  

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406. "This whole thing has been about calling people liars"
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Jag has called out a gang of people, including other women, for lying & cheating & plagiarizing & adopting her style & stealing rhymes, etc.

The basis of this whole episode has been that the legacy of the Roots/Spitkicker/Soulquarians era was built on a lie.

So why is it now a problem, to you, that she called the Cosby accusers liars?

This is what happens when you lead with an agenda. You lose integrity.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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416. "you cant be serious, chief"
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>Jag has called out a gang of people, including other women,
>for lying & cheating & plagiarizing & adopting her style &
>stealing rhymes, etc.
>
>The basis of this whole episode has been that the legacy of
>the Roots/Spitkicker/Soulquarians era was built on a lie.
>
>So why is it now a problem, to you, that she called the Cosby
>accusers liars?

1) "everything you've believed about these musicians is a lie"

2) "60 women who called this guy a rapist" are all lying

if you cant see the difference, this is a discussion we dont need to have


>This is what happens when you lead with an agenda. You lose
>integrity.

point out my agenda in this post. I believe her about The Roots and I think she misspoke about Bill Cosby

  

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392. "Her claim about hooking up with a band member to avoid being raped"
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.....by the other guys.

Shit.

That hit me. Hard.

  

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393. "I dont think that was said or really implied"
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she said she started a relationship with someone in Wu-Tang to be "left alone"

that doesnt mean violating consent was a regular thing

  

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397. "You’re right. She didn’t say it. "
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And I suppose the word “rape” is a bit harsh.

But to be ‘left alone‘, in my interpretation means — to avoid being sexually harassed or left vulnerable in a room full of men who have no self control.

Either way... it’s a lot to take in.

  

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398. "Pathetic. Well and truly pathetic. Nm"
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404. "Shout out to fontgangsta for reply 262 and 399"
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And shout out to Cam for reply 246. I never knew that "15" story about Quest and Flo Brown. The allowance of toxic moderation on this site was always a little confusing to me. Thought it was a matter of the site creators not knowing about it. Now we see that rjcc is indeed OKP-sanctioned toxicity. Very hard to believe mofos were ignorant about Abiola Oke and his shenanigans all these years with all these pieces coming together.

As for Jag and the main topic at hand, I haven't spoken on it because I tend not to have very strong views on how people react to being done wrong, bullied, coerced, cheated, etc. Just do people right and don't be an asshole. You never know how people will respond.

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411. "Yeah, fontgangsta won"
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But the same old shit will continue on this board. No wonder hardly anybody comes here anymore.

  

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419. "imagine having to tell yourself someone else won"
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in order to try and feel happy.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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433. "Word. Apparently the oversight ain't worth a damn either, so you're righ..."
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>But the same old shit will continue on this board. No wonder
>hardly anybody comes here anymore.

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455. "RE: Shout out to fontgangsta for reply 262 and 399"
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> Now we see that rjcc is indeed OKP-sanctioned toxicity.

Big facts. He won't acknowledge that though. He'll just copy one of his standards from reply 331 and follow his usual playbook. He can't do better.

  

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407. "Jag: "wants Shawn Gee to resign, then she'll leave The Roots alone""
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33:22 is when she says that. https://open.spotify.com/episode/4sObDnQdAOl206pMdkXnDL

Jag was on the "Hip Hop Uncensored" podcast yesterday (August 7th). The audio is available everywhere else you listen to podcasts, but I posted the Spotify link above.


"If people want me to shut up, two things gotta happen: Shawn Gee needs to turn over his books to the IRS and make it right with everybody he used and hurt and resign from The Roots coalition altogether, Okayplayer Watch Your Back , You RESIGN Shawn Gee! And then I'll leave the boys alone. Because see what I really want, is YOU. That's who I really want. I want YOU, Shawn Gee. Everybody else is collateral damage, and it's your fault!"

"He's their financial advisor... takes care of all the booking for shows."


She spoke just a little more about how things popped off because of Malik's death (and how he's still not being honored properly by Com, Erykah, Jill, Quest, and even Riq) in this too.


Idk if y'all had this understanding from the jump, but a lot (and from this revelation, most) of the hurt from The Roots she's expressed is about Shawn Gee and Keith McPhee, and some things about Quest, Dice, and Riq, and fewer things about Kamal. No one else has been mentioned/associated with anything.

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https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


welp

  

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414. "She took the longest route possible to get here"
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So it comes down to money?

She’s upset about the people charge of fund distribution?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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415. "Seems reasonable (emoji shrug)"
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>"If people want me to shut up, two things gotta happen: Shawn
>Gee needs to turn over his books to the IRS and make it right
>with everybody he used and hurt and resign from The Roots
>coalition altogether, Okayplayer Watch Your Back ,

This seems like a normal thing, a business calls the IRS and says "Hey, here are my books - I am going to turn them over to you now. Thank you."


>You RESIGN Shawn Gee! And then I'll leave the boys alone.
>Because see what I really want, is YOU. That's who I really
>want. I want YOU, Shawn Gee. Everybody else is collateral
>damage, and it's your fault!"

Also, completely legal AND cool. Like when someone in a movie (hero? ) says "I'll kill her, and then everyone one by one until you tell me where the Maxwell circuit is." Then the hero? kills someone and turns to the crying person and says "That was YOUR FAULT!!"

>She spoke just a little more about how things popped off
>because of Malik's death (and how he's still not being honored
>properly by Com, Erykah, Jill, Quest, and even Riq) in this
>too.

Well I guess she'll be satisfied as long as the IRS has the books turned over to them.

This seems like a simple matter to settle now that there are clear instructions.

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Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

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434. "damn that's a name I haven't seen on the boards in a minute, he actually..."
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used to post here and he and I had some interesting side convos and he was one of the few early "in charge" people that was actually reasonable

  

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422. "I prayed for sis this morning"
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I watched about 25-30 minutes of her first video anI couldn't keep watching. It was painful to watch and listen to. You could hear the pain in her voice.

Was all of it true? Only she and them really know, but obviously something happened at some point to make her this hurt this much. I hope she can heal and all involved can make things right with her in some way.

And if she was sexually assulted or raped or other women were mistreated in some way, as much as I loved that era of Music, The Roots, Common, Talib all of that....I hope dudes pay for that. No one should be violated like that period.

This is all just tough to stomach though. Maybe because I always thought this crew was different. I felt like a piece of my high school and college years died with her post.

  

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425. "One thing about this that has always bothered me..."
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>And if she was sexually assulted or raped or other women were
>mistreated in some way, as much as I loved that era of Music,
>The Roots, Common, Talib all of that....I hope dudes pay for
>that. No one should be violated like that period.
>
>This is all just tough to stomach though. Maybe because I
>always thought this crew was different. I felt like a piece
>of my high school and college years died with her post.

It seemed like many of these artists always felt the need to fit in. Common spent verse after verse dissin’ “wack shit” and then would turn around and give people props that fit the mold of who he was dissing in interviews. Even since the interlude going into Stolen Moments, when they’re talking about hoes and how dope the Master P movie was. Shit just didn’t fit the conscious image they were trying to have. And I’m not saying everyone is perfect but it just came off that they didn’t really know who they were and they were just trying to appeal to both sides for their own benefit when it was convenient.

Kweli is the same way. As soon as he caught that backpack title, he tried his hardest to lose it. Like he didn’t want to “just be a conscious MC” as if he had to prove he was hard or that he was from Brooklyn. Shit always came off corny to me.

And by no means am I siding with Jag and taking her at her word. If they did some shit then yes, I agree, they need to pay for it. But my comments above aren’t exclusive to Jag’s claims. Just how I’ve felt about their flip-flopping for a long time. Always came off as fraudulent to me.

I feel like that’s why I always like Black Thought the most because he seemed to just stay the same. People say he lacks personality but to me, he seemed like a normal person who was intelligent but from the streets and played his role. The others at times seemed like they were confused.

But shit, what do I know?

  

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427. "Common is from the midwest"
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So we can’t really be shocked he liked a Master P movie. Most people just like seeing a rapper in a movie. It prolly inspired him to get into acting.

I never liked any of those rapper movies but I get the appeal.

I agree with you on “conscious rappers”... I’ve met a ton and most of them are funny style. I’ve always had more enjoyable experiences with a DMX, Fat Joe or Redman...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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430. "I’m just saying"
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Master P was the exact type of rapper Common was shitting on with all of those “fake hip-hop” “wack MC” lines.

  

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431. "But he owned his masters "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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435. "wait, what?"
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>So we can’t really be shocked he liked a Master P movie.
>Most people just like seeing a rapper in a movie. It prolly
>inspired him to get into acting.

  

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440. "What, what?"
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How many rapper movies have actually been anywhere close to good?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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445. "then entire premise and logic of post 427 is faulty lol"
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452. "Nah nah nah naaahhhh "
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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438. "Being from the Midwest is no guarantee you'll like a Master P movie"
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That logic is lacking. LOL

Peace,

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439. "Never said it was guaranteed "
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but I’m not surprised a Midwest dude would like a Masta P movie.

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432. "as I said above"
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>Maybe because I always thought this crew was different.

I know better now, but I guess I still hoped that this wasn't like everywhere else.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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423. "cops shot somebody outside the WH..."
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y’all heard daddy lol

  

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429. "that nigga is your okp father figure and you're older than him."
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442. "So, the saga continues. Jag just drove to Philly."
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...looking for Dice Raw
https://www.instagram.com/p/CD1Zy4pFpU4/

  

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443. "for what?"
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446. "To give him his nuts back? "
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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444. "lol"
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447. "RE: So, the saga continues. Jag just drove to Philly."
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So stupid, shit is pathetic now

  

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448. "we should probalby turn this show off for a while"
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

  

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454. "Re: flo brown & 15ok alias: where Wallace at string, huh? Where Wallace..."
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everytime he post or reply with 15ok, we should ask where flo brown at until he change it back to qoolquest. The perverted joke has gone on long enough

life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

  

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457. "Archive!"
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462. "^^^^"
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supporting a friend: www.clutchmagazine.com ...at a local newsstand near you, soon!
_____________________________
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458. "Summer Walker called Jag a weirdo and said she's gonna pray for her."
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after Jag insinuated Sum was "touched". *smh*

https://uproxx.com/music/summer-walker-repsonds-jaguar-wright/

Summer Walker Responded To Jaguar Wright’s Claims That She Was ‘Touched’

WONGO OKON
AUGUST 16, 2020

Nearly two weeks ago, following the death of The Roots member Malik B, a video that found singer Jaguar Wright accusing Common of sexual assault re-surfaced on social media. Emotional and distraught because of the situation, the video describes the night in question. Continuing to speak on Common as well as The Roots and other members of the industry in an interview with RealLyfe Productions, Wright offered her advice for women in the industry and how they should protect themselves.

Despite her intention with the interview, her comments on Summer Walker were not received well as the “Come Thru” singer caught wind of them and issued a response.

“My advice to any female who wants to get into this business? Have a thick skin, do not drink alcohol. Never get high in front of anybody,” Wright said in her interview around the 30-minute mark. “Keep somebody close to you that you know at all times, Summer. Has anybody bothered to ask why she all of a sudden become claustrophobic and couldn’t perform anymore? Because she had anxiety? Yeah, she got anxiety cause somebody touched her.” Wright later admitted that could not confirm that any harm was done to Walker, but said “I can look in a woman’s eyes and tell when she been touched.”

Responding to Wright’s interview in the comment section of an Instagram post by The Neighborhood Talk, Walker said, “1. I ain’t never been “touched,” I’m a child of God, I’m highly protected and highly favored honey ain’t nothing EVER happened to me, fortunately, I’ve been beyond blessed enough to never have to experience no shit like that. 2. A mf would definitely get clapped, knocked off, anyone who ACTUALLY knows me knows that.” Walker would issue two more points in her response.

3. I’m a highly intelligent introvert and PREFER to not interact with plp cause a a lot mf’s throwed off, like you, your a prime example of why I don’t have time. & 4. You weird AF, you don’t make something up as serious as RAPE about someone you don’t even know and then try to blast someone about it. I need you to be more productive with your time & platform I don’t know you but I expect more from you. You a woman , a fellow black woman at that like what type of time is you on ? For some clout? chile bless your spirit ima pray for you today.

Aside from her comments Walker, Wright has also spoken on her experiences with the likes of Talib Kweli, Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, and others.

  

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459. "Damn this makes me feel even more :-/ about the Flo Brown thing."
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Earlier in the thread people were wondering if Jag even had permission to speak on what happened to Flo and I wondered that too and just assumed she wouldn't speak on it if she didn't but now reading that she said Summer was "touched" which is not only untrue but also I imagine if she wasn't pressed on how she knew probably wouldn't have confessed she didn't actually know...

All this makes me think she more than likely didn't get permission from Flo and if not that is just extra fucked up.

Extra fucked up too be saying what she said about Summer too.

  

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460. "RE: Damn this makes me feel even more :-/ about the Flo Brown thing."
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.
>
>All this makes me think she more than likely didn't get
>permission from Flo and if not that is just extra fucked up.
>
>Extra fucked up too be saying what she said about Summer too.
>

she definitely didn't get flo's permission to air her personal business. she was asking flo to get in touch with her or if someone could reach out to her if they knew where she was. that was super fucked up.

  

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461. "Jill Scott’s on IG"
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....analogizing. JW isn’t mentioned by name. But she left it open to interpretation.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CECtlvSHSPx/?igshid=73ny0a6eq3lt

  

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463. "I understand grieving.. I don’t understand trying to take everyone "
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down with you tho..

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464. "She's still going....."
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Newest bits:

She wants a verzuz against Mary J. Blige.
Has an IG video telling MJB that she sung her own song wrong (All That I Can Say)
Claims MJB is secretly gay.
Claims Christopher Williams gave Diddy head and they are both closeted.


*sigh*

At this point I just feel bad for her, and this is not about Malik B anymore. I think she needs healing and perspective.

Also, she got called out by Summer Walker for speaking on things she didn't know about. She keeps selling wolf tickets, and who knows whats after that.
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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465. "Pretty sad"
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She's letting her numerous beefs supersede her talent.

I have to wonder how long she's burned all these bridges since it appears she has no shame in name dropping so many folks in a negative light. I'm sure she's been written off by many a person in the industry because she's seems to be inflicted with the bug of Keeping It Too Real to paraphrase that Dave Chapelle sketch.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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466. "Sheesh"
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sounds like she's looking for something to stick and gain traction with mainstream media outlets.

so far, the only ones giving this any attention are the d-list podcasters and youtubers.

everyone she's accused and talked shit about has been on radio silence. prolly knowing well enough if they do, is when mainstream media will start paying attention.

but her batshit rant about Monie Love and her kids was disgusting.

and her apology to tiffany haddish was odd as fuck.

her cbd aint helping either.

its sad to see her do this and not put out new music.

her talent is better than this.



  

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469. "Makes you wonder why she stopped getting work"
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maybe it was because she was a hateful, messy and down right jealous of anyone else in her profession?

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471. "i dunno"
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>maybe it was because she was a hateful, messy and down right
>jealous of anyone else in her profession?
>

but she was pretty clear on why she's doing this.

the problem is her accusations has held no one accountable because so far there's no receipts to back her claims. and none of the accused has directly spoken on it.

plus that diddy, chris williams, MJB stuff isn't even necessary and the monie love rant was fucking gross. shit like that it makes it more difficult to take her seriously.

when millennials are minimizing her to washed up backup singer, its a problem. and a shame.

because jw's talents and work in show business is official imo.

  

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467. "This has taken a terribly sad and tragic turn."
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Her original beef and complaints were legit...? and the Roots likely did Malik dirty in many ways...especially in light of the handling of his passing and how they devalued his contribution to the Roots success..and they bear alot of responsibility for how they've treated the women that were in their cipher at that time. It's very disappointing and disgusting that they've not answered for all that in any way.

However, she has sadly shown herself to also be a meanspirited, cruel narcissistic troll who doesn't want the spotlight to turn away from her now that its finally on her. Folks understandably don't want to work with her and she's making it worse every day.

And it seems that the Roots are just sitting back and letting this blow over since it seems like she has discredited herself in the aftermath...they can skate thru without addressing her original, valid concerns.

which is shitty.

I feel bad for her, but what i know about narcissist is: they think they are right. all the time.

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468. "yeup. her message is unfortunately compromised"
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And I believed everything she said initially. I know grief is handled in different ways, but now I want her to get off social media and unpack this shit in private. She is gaining nothing from this.

  

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470. "word. same, "
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474. "I think she got addicted to (Instagram) limelight"
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there's no rationalizing it, but the mentality is likely "the world ignored my talent, now they're paying attention to my rants"

wanting/needing to feel a sense of public validation takes people to scary places

  

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472. "Don't abandon her now."
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Keep applauding the show. Malik is looking down, undoubtedly honored.

_____________________________________

Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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473. "nuance means two things can be right at once"
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her initial pain was valid and now she's out of line

  

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475. "pretty much. that sums it up perfectly."
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476. "Differently put..."
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her initial targets were acceptable.

_____________________________________

Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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477. "ok white man"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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478. "You white too? "
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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479. "I'm googlable &amp; have personally interacted with people in this post"
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and I'm a Morehouse grad and a member of Omega Psi Phi.

He's a moderator for a white-owned website that mistreats its black women employees and allows him to move freely on this site calling black people "losers" and acting generally like a Trump supporter.

Between us, who's more likely to be white?

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480. "Yes or no"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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481. "^^^^^^This question"
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482. "What have I said to make you think I'm white?"
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Because, let's be honest, I could say "I'm black" 1000 times and mufuckas would still say I'm white just on some message board shit.

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483. "You haven't included a passport scan bro"
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We need a longform birth certificate, a CURRENT passport, and financial receipts from the last 5 years showing that your hot sauce purchases totaled 3 or more times than your mayonnaise purchases.

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484. "Nothing "
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but since it is an issue on and off the board why leave it unanswered.

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485. "No white man would guard black men from accountability like you do"
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You're on some nut shit, but a white man, you are not.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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487. "Be that as it may, at least I'm sincere"
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Unlike the people in this post who lack integrity and were all in on this bullshit when it was just targeting black men, but at soon as it migrated to other people they jumped ship.

My only agenda is truth. Yalls agenda is clear.

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495. "words have meanings. no one came in here with an agenda"
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JW was hurt on a personal level, now she's stooped to attacking innocent/unrelated people

  

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496. "So you contend that her words changed? "
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Not her targets?

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501. "I contend that the word agenda has a meaning"
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Jag might have an agenda. people posting here do not

  

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486. "All you had to say is I’m Black and that would be enough for me"
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You doing everything but saying “I’m Black”



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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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488. "I'm telling you my resume while arguing"
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and, yes, I'm very satisfied with myself for referencing your own post in this fashion.

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489. "idk if mans is white or not"
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but this is a super weird series of responses



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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490. "What ?"
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>but this is a super weird series of responses
>
>

So "ok white man" was just snark ?

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492. "Now see.. this is reckless.. lol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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493. "Yep"
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Threw a molotov then ask why is the building on fire.

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505. "he said to google him"
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https://www.google.com/search?q=cipha

https://www.google.com/search?q=rjcc

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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497. "meaning you want words to mean what you want them to mean LOL"
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fuck outta here with that

he said what he said.

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498. "He said some bullshit"
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He judged the "validity" of her pain and concluded that her pain was no longer valid and now she's out of line.

I reinterpreted that horseshit into what he really meant. Her pain was "valid" as long as you agreed with who she directed her pain's vengeance.

Then she switched up and now that same pain & vengeance is off-putting.

That's garbage on every level and it comes from a refusal to be honest with yourselves.

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502. "you're all over the place"
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>He judged the "validity" of her pain and concluded that her
>pain was no longer valid and now she's out of line.

her initial source of pain still makes sense

>I reinterpreted that horseshit into what he really meant. Her
>pain was "valid" as long as you agreed with who she directed
>her pain's vengeance.


Im not here to assign importance to anyone's grief, I empathize with mental health. she started lashing out at people who personally slighted her, now she's randomly going at anyone for attention


>That's garbage on every level and it comes from a refusal to
>be honest with yourselves.

what am I not being honest with myself about

  

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503. "So it was initially for healing, now its for attention. Ok. "
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You got it bud.

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504. "where did I imply anything was done for healing?"
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someone close to her died, that's traumatizing
trauma takes on different forms. she chose to air out a laundry list of people who she says did wrong by her and the deceased.


this newfound spotlight has her tripping harder and while the rants come from the same place (mental anguish/instability), they no longer make sense

you seem to think she's wrong in both instances, and while that's subject to opinion at least I understand her starting point


if you watched Breaking Bad, she's become Heisenberg

  

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491. "Damn. Everyone lost in this post."
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494. "I’m surprised some people actually admitted she went too far"
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I thought after the 3rd or 4th video it was a bad idea to keep hyping her up.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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499. "i mean....."
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13396877&mesg_id=13396877&page=#13398003

But I still be checking this post though lol....




"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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538. "Looks like she went Jaguar...Wrong somewhere"
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I have nothing else of value to add to this post

Imma leave now

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

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500. "this was posted 2 days ago..."
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https://youtu.be/UqgdYubn0gI

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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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506. "all these extra stories are taking attention away from her "
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initial grievances. those will be forgotten as long as keeps doing more of these. they may not even looked into because she's taking attention away from them herself.

what's the point of all this extra? how is this helping her?

edit:
the original vid came out in early August.
https://youtu.be/y0OFCKbMAXo

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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507. "RE: all these extra stories are bringing attention to her "
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>initial grievances. those will be forgotten as long as keeps
>doing more of these. they may not even looked into because
>she's taking attention away from them herself.
>
>what's the point of all this extra? how is this helping her?
>
>edit:
>the original vid came out in early August.
>https://youtu.be/y0OFCKbMAXo
>
>

That's all she wants right now imo. Attention. This current version of her is a narcissist and she is doing alot of this because she feels like her career didn't get enough attention. Maybe she wasn't always like this, I just don't know her personally.

Malik's situation may have triggered her because she feels like he was pushed aside in a similar fashion. But the way she was trying to pull other people into this mess who were trying to move on with their lives showed me what she's about early. It wasn't about Malik.

Still the situation tugs at a lot of heartstrings here. Seeing these natural talents being cast aside is a bit alarming. I understand the Roots thrive off of preparation & routine but talent is talent. Jag is still more charismatic than most. Malik could rock a mic without a script. They had one of the greatest female rap talents under the helm but that went sour quickly and that person seemingly disappeared from the entertainment biz. The OKP/Black Lily/Motive thing could have been so much greater, and she is a reminder of how things fell apart.

  

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509. "One thing you have to remember is you can’t take everyone with you"
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Some people don’t know how to level up.

Not a knock on anyone but the industry is a monster and some people aren’t built for the grind.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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512. "oh you're an industry expert now"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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508. "Nah, shes just insulting people at this point ..."
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Sounds like jealousy and envy mixed with deep pain over her son. She needs help. Bringing a camera to go meet her son who didn't want to come outside was fucked up too. Hes just a kid.

'Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. ~Victor Hugo'

  

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510. "Nah, she's honoring Malik's legacy"
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511. "Lmao.. yeah, a lot of L’s in this post"
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While I def believe those tour busses were filled with some illadelph wild shit...

it always felt like the core of her frustration was not taking that deal because she was loyal. That was bad business on her part.

Also we have to remember cussing up and down tracks wasn’t seen as a good investment for a female R&B neo soul singer back in the early 2000’s.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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513. "what L's"
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people acknowledged that she's gone away from her original goal. CIPHA keeps mentioning that like it's a valid point

  

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531. "She’s grieving, she’s not bitter, everything she is saying sounds tr..."
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followed by

“yeah.. she went to far”
“well the Cosby stuff.. but besides that”
“Oh.. ok, I can no longer defend her”

Please feel free to tell me how you did none of these things and I will reply “when did I imply you did?”

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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536. "I searched the word bitter"
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every result (aside from one person who didnt agree) said she's bitter and she has a right to be

you dont comprehend that two things can be right at the same time

i.e. her rage towards people that harmed her is legit and she's out of line in other ways

  

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540. "Nah.. she threw it all away"
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She had sympathetic ears and empathy early on.. and she ruined it with the constant bashing, character assassinating and airing out of innocent bystanders.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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514. "I always felt like this too..."
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>Also we have to remember cussing up and down tracks wasn’t
>seen as a good investment for a female R&B neo soul singer
>back in the early 2000’s.

I remember liking her first album but thinking all the cussing was taking away from the music a bit. Nobody wanted a Millie Jackson revival. And it takes away from the timelessness of the music.

I also remember her cussin' her ex-hubby out in the liner notes, and here was are almost 20 years later and she's still railing about him. I know people's processes for healing are different, but now I'm starting to wonder if she has a process at all.
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"To Each His Reach"

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Fuck aliens.

  

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515. "Talib's response "
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https://youtu.be/z-cn3-Hx6wI

  

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516. "Good for him"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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517. "what about this is respectable? "
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518. "Messy.. this is why you shouldn’t respond"
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While he has a right to defend himself it still looks messy af to bring up all her ugly.

Shoulda just let her fade to Black.

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519. "Is there any reason why Jaguar Wright's account should be believed over"
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Talib's?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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520. "You know why.. lol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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521. "He just spent the entire summer cyberbullying a woman online"
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then there's also Res

i.e. she isn't the first person to make allegations about his character

I only made it 5 mins into his video reply

Seemed like he was comfortable with questioning her character

I didn't really hear a defense...other than, Jag's having a mental breakdown

Why is that? Why does she appear to be struggling with her past?

...I mean, if it's not true like you suggest...

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522. "cyberbullying a woman who laughed at “broke niggas”"
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and then begged her followers to help her pay for college and a new car?

and also ragged about her rich light skint parents?

———

Seems like the women used as evidence Talib is trash always seem to have uses with the truth IRL yet y’all always take their word as fact.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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524. "I missed the part where you disagreed"
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It happened.

the Res allegations happened.

the Jaq allegations happened.

I'm pointing out a pattern

you're in your feelings.

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530. "Nice projection"
In response to Reply # 524


          

The question marks are for the cyberbullying. Are you really bullying someone if it’s a back and forth and the other person has a history of attacking, talking slick and gaslighting?

Y’all quick to scream cyberbullying but you don’t want to look at the women who are playing victim while tossing cocktails

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532. "It was not a back and forth"
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Wed Oct-07-20 12:44 PM by bentagain

  

          

There is a thread dedicated to that issue for your reference

Recounting

She replied, on twitter, to a reply to a post...smh, I can't believe grown a$$ folks really dedicate energy to this bull$hit...anyway

OP, how may rappers are married to black women, other than snoop

Reply, lists a bunch of names, one of which was Kweli's

It actually was a positive shoutout

This Maya Moody person, again, if you remember correctly, we weren't even sure was a real live breathing person and not just some bot

Replied, to the reply of the OP, about some of the women being lightskint...and possibly starting a conversation about colorism

Kweli was not mentioned by name.

In fact, the 'some', could even be interpreted as she wasn't speaking directly about him...also, see, not being mentioned by name

Kweli jumped all the way out the window.

A celebrity, with multiple media platforms, going at an otherwise anonymous twitter poster, for the entire summer

Yeah, that's cyberbullying.

He was suspended from Twitter for it...right?

I think his IG was suspended too...

Yeah, she went full on game goofy with the gofundme

But you're injecting that like it was her motive to begin with

It was not.

Kweli was not targeted for monetary gain.

He gave this woman exposure on his platforms by being a hit dog.

+1, as I pointed out in the Kweli thread

He started litigation against Turtle Boy IRT the child molestation allegations

...and then he dropped the suit...

So miss me with the...if you come for me and mines...FOH

He had a chance to dead that defamation legally

He chose not to.

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534. "You really don’t think she was playing the long game of a gofundme?"
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How much did she get you for dawg?

I’m not saying Talib couldn’t do something more productive with his time but dude likes the back n forth on Twitter and he obviously has the time.

Don’t give a shit about his age, her age, etc.. that’s what folks get for talking about other peoples “preferences” when it comes to marriage.

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527. "Cyberbullying ?"
In response to Reply # 521


  

          


Nah the timestamp is around 10:30 where he makes a case against that.


>then there's also Res
>
>i.e. she isn't the first person to make allegations about his
>character
>
>I only made it 5 mins into his video reply
>
>Seemed like he was comfortable with questioning her character
>


I think that's his defense, her character is questionable so some of her accusations are not credible.


>I didn't really hear a defense...other than, Jag's having a
>mental breakdown
>
>Why is that? Why does she appear to be struggling with her
>past?
>
>...I mean, if it's not true like you suggest...

He pointed to some of the same things people talked about in this thread. The way she is going after everyone.

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528. "I followed him on IG, I had to unfollow him"
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Wed Oct-07-20 10:38 AM by bentagain

  

          

after the daily posts attacking the woman

I watched it happen...

Isn't questioning the accuser's character a popular deflection that we've seen time and time again

Why do we expect perfect victims?

Wouldn't you expect a survivor to have been affected by the trauma?

She details a rather lengthy list and history of trauma

Bottom line, and I think I posted this reply in this thread already, she's speaking on the industry

i.e. both things can be true

These artists definitely did a lot to elevate black culture

No doubt, and I don't think anyone would argue against that

But they are also entertainers, and the entertainment industry is rife with these stories

i.e. both things can be true

Some 'conscious' 'backpack' 'neo-soul' artists...could also be scumbags

Talib presents his achievements...as if that resolves the allegations

It doesn't.

I am a child of The Cosby Show generation

That was definitely a revelation for me

Doesn't change the impact that show had on me as a child

Or his achievements in society

...it also doesn't mean he wasn't a serial rapist...

Both things can be true.

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529. "Did you follow the woman on twitter ?"
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>after the daily posts attacking the woman
>
>I watched it happen...

Talib said she was still talking about him after she blocked him. I would call that back and forth not cyberbullying.

>
>Isn't questioning the accuser's character a popular deflection
>that we've seen time and time again
>

You said in your reply "she isn't the first person to make allegations about his character" does that mean you were deflecting ?


>Why do we expect perfect victims?
>

No she does not have to be perfect, but when she parrots white racist trolls accusations or co-sign someone who did, it doesn't help her.

>Wouldn't you expect a survivor to have been affected by the
>trauma?
>

Yes

>She details a rather lengthy list and history of trauma
>

But some people pushed back or didn't responsd at all right ?


>Bottom line, and I think I posted this reply in this thread
>already, she's speaking on the industry
>
>i.e. both things can be true
>

I believe what she says about the industry but I disagree with the spray everyone tactic.

>These artists definitely did a lot to elevate black culture
>
>No doubt, and I don't think anyone would argue against that
>
>But they are also entertainers, and the entertainment industry
>is rife with these stories
>
>i.e. both things can be true
>

It may be true but it's not enough to burn everyone connected to them.

>Some 'conscious' 'backpack' 'neo-soul' artists...could also be
>scumbags
>
>Talib presents his achievements...as if that resolves the
>allegations
>
>It doesn't.
>

True it doesn't resolves the allegations but it is part of his character, so if someone is attacking his character it makes since to say look at the whole picture. If a stan was putting him on a pedestal, it would be fair to point out his flaws. This is the same thing.

>I am a child of The Cosby Show generation
>
>That was definitely a revelation for me
>
>Doesn't change the impact that show had on me as a child
>
>Or his achievements in society
>
>...it also doesn't mean he wasn't a serial rapist...
>
>Both things can be true.

Sources are stronger when it comes to Cosby, given the deposition that came out. Now if it was only one or two making accusations using sources that are not credible, people will think twice.

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533. "IMO, it looks like pattern of behavior on Kweli's part"
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One that, unfortunately, should be all too familiar by now

No, I did not follow an otherwise unknown person on SM

Anyway

He attacked her character in his defense...correct

Didn't he do the same to Res...claiming she didn't do any work

Now he's doing the same to Jag...she's having a mental breakdown

He even used the tried and true defense of continued correspondence with the victim as a defense...if I did it, why did she call me for money when she was in legal trouble

He's actually perpetuating all of the deflections we've seen in other instances

...but it's Kweli, the conscious rapper...so it's different...?

Honestly, my biggest takeaway from alladis...I thought he was smarter.

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535. "That's one sided. "
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>No, I did not follow an otherwise unknown person on SM
>

So how can you put it all on on Talib and call it cyberbullying when she was firing shots in her timeline ?

>Anyway
>
>He attacked her character in his defense...correct
>
>Didn't he do the same to Res...claiming she didn't do any
>work
>
>Now he's doing the same to Jag...she's having a mental
>breakdown
>

If he believes the accusations are false then it makes sense to challenge the people who made them.

>He even used the tried and true defense of continued
>correspondence with the victim as a defense...if I did it, why
>did she call me for money when she was in legal trouble
>
>He's actually perpetuating all of the deflections we've seen
>in other instances
>

It's push back and questioning but it's not deflections. He talked about the relationship with JW.

>...but it's Kweli, the conscious rapper...so it's
>different...?
>

Nah has nothing to do with his title. If he was average Joe and everything else was the same, I wouldn't call it cyberbullying.


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539. "The expectations for a conscious rapper are pretty hilarious"
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Like they really expect a conscious rapper to have some type of internet honor.

He’s a rapper not some Holistic Buddha.

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541. "I think this is just the expectation on black men"
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Black men are expected accept abuse, especially online, and if we respond then we HaTe blAcK WoMEn.

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542. "True indeed"
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The bar is off the planet for conscious rappers.

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544. "Is it really? You made a living off of being someone who's thoughful"
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Sitting down and thinking of the problems of society and solutions. Unity and peace and whatnot.

is it ridiculous to expect that standard to be held outside the booth?


I mean noones a saint, we all slip up, but damn my boy be slipping a whole lot.

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545. "Slipping how ?"
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What is he doing ?

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549. "outside of the several women accusing him of harassment? nothing much"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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554. "Question about harassment..."
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There's a guy on this site who follows me around to different posts waging ad hominen attacks against me. Is that harassment?

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555. "Did you try telling the mods?"
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hahddododdkssdsdo


That was funny, admit it.


Good luck tho.

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556. "Y’all stupid.. lol"
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523. "nope. jag is long past the point of believability"
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525. "ummm...there isnt that much discrepancy"
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they both said there was a short lived fling

he's mostly putting her down as a means of defending his friends

but if you're looking for reasons to not believe women, by all means

  

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526. "This is why this goes this way......"
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The cape up is so overboard that you will have people disregard out of spite. I'm pretty much there with the Megan Thee Stallion shit. Like don't these people have to answer for their own shit too?????

  

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537. "I dont want to assume or misread you. what are you saying about Meg?"
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>The cape up is so overboard that you will have people
>disregard out of spite. I'm pretty much there with the Megan
>Thee Stallion shit. Like don't these people have to answer
>for their own shit too?????

  

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546. "Why is this fool still allowed to make statements?"
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*rolls eyes*

  

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548. "Huh? Why wouldn’t he be allowed to speak? "
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547. "I Will Say I Do Agree With Him About Two Things"
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(1)What any of this shit ever had anything to do with Malik B's career & passing?

(2)Why Jaguar had to diss all the female music artists that became more famous than her, if it's true that she's been ghostwriting a lot of hit songs for other female singers, why talk trash about them, just collect your ghostwriting dough and keep it movin' cause without them she wouldn't make any money cause obviously the industry feels that Jag is a better writer than a singer.


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550. "All this huffing and puffing but doesn't have $2 for a McMuffin"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92yO7caQSJM

Pathetic... and at this point she's generating a good deal of Youtube traffic for OTHER people's channels. I wonder if she will look at all of it and feel like she's owed something. THAT will be interesting.

  

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551. "This isn’t funny"
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but...

yeah..

it’s not funny, not funny at all.

and it’s another reason I side eye anyone posting any type of video while sitting in a car. That shit will always scream “you fucking lying” to me.



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552. "But seriously I see a YT channel already that has 4 million views off "
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of an interview that he did with her.
Dude chopped it up into 20 different clips and has paid sponsors running ads during the content and everything.

Is she going to double back and come for people like that? Because they are most definitely exploiting her if they aren't breaking bread.

  

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553. "She prolly will circle back and cuss them out too"
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cause part of the problem with artist like her is it’s all emotionally driven.

Can I say what I want?
You gonna let me spit that real?

Cool let’s do it.

Not even thinking about the money and clicks generated until long after the fact.

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557. "It takes like 30 minute to just create your own YT Channel"
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You can record shit on a cell phone, upload it and get clicks/revenue

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558. "Lmao at thinking a neo soul artist like Jag can create a YT page "
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No shade but unless she had a niece or nephew do it for her it ain’t happening.

I would say an intern but she doesn’t seem like the type to have one at this point in her career

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559. "RE: Jaguar Wright..."
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A Jaguar will do anything to eat. Even turn on their own family.

You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

  

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560. "We still believing anything Jaguar Wright says?"
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561. "She still saying shit ?"
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This is weird, I was just thinking about this the other day. Curious about where this all went haha.

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562. "she's talking about a number of people."
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it's been clear for a while that she needs to get some help.

https://www.tiktok.com/@kingoftalk413/video/7188735239240322350

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564. "she threw her sons urn on a guy?!!!"
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“Jaguar and her husband got into it with a man, and during the fight, Jaguar reportedly thew an urn containing the ashes of her deceased son on the man”

good lord.

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566. "I thought or hoped you misspelled urine"
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because why would a mother do that?

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569. "apparently she was fighting her husband."
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....and she said jay had big l killed.

https://mediatakeout.com/1990s-rb-singer-jaguar-wright-arrested-after-making-disturbing-remarks-about-jay-z-beyonce-vid/

this is all so so fucking sad.

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576. "yeah, this is awful"
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just speculating but I wonder if that 15 minutes of viral fame made her triple down on saying wild ish.

Its sad because I was in Philly during the height of her fame and while I always thought her cursing was way over the top her live sets were LIVE AS FUCK!!!

I’m sure she has been chasing that stage high since those Black Lilly days.

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584. "Maaaan, Jay-Z , let alone Beyonce aint thinking about"
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her Bum Ass.

Her and Torey Lanez daddy should form a coalition to bring down that No Good Sean Carter

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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604. "I'm blaming this board for making me miss a trivia question"
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A few months ago the question was what is Jay-Z's real name. I confidently answered Sean Carter. They were particular about spelling and I got it wrong because it's Shawn. I was so sure it was Sean lol

  

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634. "Don't blame us, you SHOULD be blaming Jay-Z and Beyonce"
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563. "Somebody I know was recently linking her vids on IG lol"
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565. "You should know like I know…"
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Even if you think she is lying there is still some truth in a lie.

I have never believed everything she has said, but I think that she is telling the truth about some stuff.

  

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567. "someone recently posted if we should trust Jaguar or Keith Murray’s st..."
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At this point in time.. I wouldn’t

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572. "I don’t think that you can trust most artists…"
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They all have wild stories that stretch the truth.

But Keith Murray’s shit is mad wild though!

  

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568. "so she's Umar Johnson?"
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>Even if you think she is lying there is still some truth in a
>lie.
>
>I have never believed everything she has said, but I think
>that she is telling the truth about some stuff.

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573. "RE: so she's Umar Johnson?"
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Perfect analogy!

  

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570. "There is "some truth in a lie!"?!?"
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>Even if you think she is lying there is still some truth in a
>lie.


What's the truth part about Jay-Z and Beyonce sacrificing Big L to the Illuminati?!

>I have never believed everything she has said, but I think
>that she is telling the truth about some stuff.

You know this is basically saying I believe the stuff I want to believe and ignore the rest. Do you see how convenient that is?




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574. "RE: There is "some truth in a lie!"?!?"
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>>Even if you think she is lying there is still some truth in
>a
>>lie.
>
>
>What's the truth part about Jay-Z and Beyonce sacrificing Big
>L to the Illuminati?!
>
>>I have never believed everything she has said, but I think
>>that she is telling the truth about some stuff.
>
>You know this is basically saying I believe the stuff I want
>to believe and ignore the rest. Do you see how convenient
>that is?
>
>

My example of this…

When she was talking about Thought’s pen… I thought that shit was straight bogus.

The rape allegations about certain cats in the industry, I think that some of that could be true given how so many cats are getting in trouble for that these days. They are really challenging her on that either.

What do you think about that?

  

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579. "Yeah man. That sounds like you believed what you wanted to believe. "
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I think Jaguar Wright is toxic, bitter and unreliable as a person to trust what she says off rip.

That doesn't mean I think she is lying. It doesn't mean I think these dudes are incapable of doing what she says, but I am not going to accept it at face value off of her word alone.

Like she said Common did this thing. Common said he didn't do it. I really don't see any reason to believe one over the other and if you look at the track record of both, I'd be more inclined to believe Common.

Seems like the Roots were wise not to comment because give her enough time, they may have known she would self destruct.

Moreover no one attempted to exploit the death of Malik B more than she did. She showed that she was using him to settle old beefs.




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581. "she's a loose canon."
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her antics don't mean she's lying, but it becomes a who do you trust more thing.

as she continues this spiral, it becomes about what other wild shit will she say. nobody's even trying to see if she's truthful because her credibility is shot and she's just a spectacle.

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582. "But she is clearly saying untrue things though. "
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She's said that people were victims of sexual assault who are adamant that they are not (and she doesn't even know).

She's said that everyone is collateral damage and her real target is Shawn Gee (and it's over money).

And she is saying clearly untrue things about Jay-Z and Beyonce.

No one has come forward to corroborate anything that she has said.

How does she have any credibility with anyone at this point?


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583. "she has no credibility, but there will always be those that believe"
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her regardless of the lack of facts in her stories.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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651. "RE: Yeah man. That sounds like you believed what you wanted to believe...."
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They always try and paint people as crazy or toxic when they’re putting out info on other people.

So if you don’t think that she’s lying then how am I believing what I want to believe?

It’s kinda obvious that the shit that she was trying to say about Thought’s pen was bullshit, but that sexual misconduct should probe taken with more than a grain of salt.

  

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577. "Depending on the wording Big L being murdered is technically true"
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the rest is the lie.. lol

and I’m sure this can be done for all these wild claims.

Keith Murray has probably been to the city he claimed he got down with ole girl. The part about being in the city is true.. lol

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571. "LOL and you're calling other people "stoopid" ?! Sheeeeeit."
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575. "Here comes your dumb ass bringing up the rear"
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578. "Didnt Hub end up suing the Roots? "
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Did you hear about Eve and the video shoot?

Look, I really like The Roots BUT I’ve heard first hand accounts of some of their missteps and lets just say, industry rule 4080 applies to the biz AND the artists..lol

So stuff like stealing credit or not looking out for artist or shady dealings.. that stuff may have some truth to it.

But then she kept going.. to a point where I believe its hard to take her words seriously.

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580. "I am not surprised ex-members and people once affiliated with them"
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who are on hard times are going to be bitter about their current success or feel wrongly done.

I think we didn't hear from Eve and Jill Scott complaining because they have moved on and continued to have success. I don't think we would have been hearing from JW if her career had taken off.

If you have a long career I don't see how you not end up pissing some people off when you make tough difficult decisions. Being fired from anything is always hard to swallow.

I do think from all this stuff we have seen from her there is probably another clear good explanation why people wouldn't want to work with her. She just seems super toxic.

I know folks above objected to calling women bitter and consider it dismissive but this one right here seems like text book example of it.

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585. "havent kept up with this but"
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why does this post have so many responses if she's such a liar? there
has to be some truth to what she's saying.

  

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586. "that's easy. "
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same reason Ye or Trump get so much attention. train wrecks are exciting to watch and speculate over.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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591. "okay, thanks"
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>same reason Ye or Trump get so much attention. train wrecks
>are exciting to watch and speculate over.

  

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587. "Man you got to walk us through how this logic works. "
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Big L was sacrificed to the Illuminati because this post is 500+?


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589. "so she's a liar"
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and/or troubled, i wouldn't spend so much time on
it. same goes for Ye or any other "celebrity"

i saw a post from her the other day, sounds like she's exposing people
from that world and people don't know why she's doing it. who knows. if
she's a liar then you move on from her. not sure why it matters so much.

  

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594. "Is this your 1st day here?"
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by here I mean planet earth.

That just isn't the way people move.

SHOULD they move like that? I'd love it if they did.

but we do not now, nor have we ever lived in a world where the amount of attention one garners has is directly comensurate with their veracity, and/or trustworthiness.

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593. "lol"
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588. "LOL"
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590. "because she was part of the Roots crew back in the day"
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seems obvious.

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592. "so it's gossipy internal stuff"
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that's been exposed, got it. just watching a sh*tshow

  

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596. "okay, whatever"
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gossip on

  

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595. "She's beefing with her husband and running around with a dude from a "
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polygamist cult.

She wasn't lying about EVERYTHING but she was complicit in a lot of the foulness she spoke on. She's not being tricked and fooled by these people that she deals with. More than anything she needs professional care but it doesn't seem like she feels that way.

Dude was sitting behind the wheel while she was talking in those videos from a few years back. Did he ever think that one day he would be her target? If we were to judge by her recent actions, you'd think he was her worst enemy.

  

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597. "well. this thread aged terribly. she really aint all the way there :/"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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599. "Yeah, shocker that someone committing career suicide might be unwell."
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Sometimes we are so gassed to find out the tea that we fail to adequately question the motives behind the spilling.

and motives matter.

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600. "mofos dipped quick once she went off the rails"
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they treated her the same way she accused the industry of treating her.. smh.

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601. "what are folks supposed to do? lol"
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she's done nothing but hurt her own cause, whatever that may be. nobody will continue to support her claims with all the shit she's doing/saying.

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606. "correct.. but it reminded me so much of her career"
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I used to love watching her perform but cringed at all the cussing.

first few songs would sprinkle in a “fuck youuuuu ooooohhhhhh oohhh hooooooh”

would turn into “muthafuk you fucking fuck nigga bitch fuck shit bitch hoeeeee yeahhhhhhhh” by the end of the set

huge talent

zero filter.

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602. "This whole thing started off relatively reasonable. Messy, but"
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it was understandable. Then it started getting more and more out there, then finally to the point that it's clear she isn't well. But initially there were some valid points made and I feel like some folks were genuinely hearing her out.

  

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603. "I always thought her initial point was always trash. "
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The idea that the Roots didn't properly mourn there "friend" was always a terrible point.

Who is anyone else to tell anyone else how they should mourn a relationship that they were not a part of.

All the people judging how the Roots dealt with Malik B, were not the ones in actual relationships with Malik B or try to work with this person who struggled with addiction. The heavy-handedness and moral grandstanding towards people we don't know in the actual relationships was gross.

I think if the relationship with Malik B ended poorly and on bad terms, the classiest thing to do would be to keep their mouths shut, even as people very openly judged how you handled it.

And I say this not as a Roots fan (I am not arguing that these dudes are great people incapable of treating people poorly, I don't know them), I say this as someone who has been in similar situations.

And what eventually came through was it wasn't about Malik B. She exploited Malik B's death in order to air all of her grievances, real and imagined.

I don't think is a case of a person with a good point going off the rails. She was the same person from start to finish. A toxic bitter person with Axe's to grind because she saw her peers enjoy success that never happened for her.

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605. "aren’t you the one who said you judge how people treat death’s"
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when its someone close to you?

who pulls up? who didn’t? What words were used?

Whether fair or unfair.. you admitted it.

so I totally get her initial anger whether warranted or not.

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609. "I said I judge how people treat the death of my love one. "
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If you don't show up to my love one's funeral. I am going to know the status of our relationship. That's a one on one relationship.

Sure. It's fine JW felt the way she felt about how the Roots treated her friend. But okayplayers judging The Roots for how they reacted to the death of someone they don't know based on JW?

Too far a leap.

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614. "I disagree on this one simply for the fact that fans of a group"
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who created a message board for their fans should expect those same fans to see some type of memorial or passage about a former member of the group.

its like reading an obituary and it doesn’t sit right with people who knew the family.

of course they don’t know the inner workings of the family but when they pay “respect” publicly best believe people will speak on it.

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608. "^^^Yep. Said this way up in #104 (and #108)"
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What started all of this was her judgement on how ?uest decided he wanted to memorialize Malik B's death publicly. Which was always some bullshit.

I am so not here for telling other people to justify how the mourn the death of a close friends to others. How ?uest and the Roots dealt with his death, both in private and to other, was none of anyone's fucking business.

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616. "Exactly"
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>What started all of this was her judgement on how ?uest
>decided he wanted to memorialize Malik B's death publicly.
>Which was always some bullshit.
>
>I am so not here for telling other people to justify how the
>mourn the death of a close friends to others. How ?uest and
>the Roots dealt with his death, both in private and to other,
>was none of anyone's fucking business.

It all should have ended there.


  

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610. "To be clear, I wasn’t saying she started off “right” or with a goo..."
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point, just that the rant started off reasonable. I didn’t agree with her but it was “reasonable” initially to take it as her going through her own mourning process, and there seemed to be actual hurt there regardless of the truth or logic of the situation. That being said, it went left QUICKLY.

  

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607. "the problem is most of us didn’t know her condition"
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so while it started off reasonably we have no idea where the truth started and ended.

the more she talked the more we realized we probably shouldn’t have entertained it in the first place

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615. "Can't certain assumptions me made off of behavior tho?"
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Like I might not know you got exema, but if I see you scratching every 5 mins. I can assume SOMETHING is wrong, right?

Her manner, her demeanor, her speech, and the things she was saying were all off.

Why were we so quick to be on some 'tell your truth' shit, when it was pretty obvious by observation, that whatever the veracity of her claims, she was unwell?

Are we officially at a place where, the messenger no longer matters?

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617. "maybe.. I think day 1 it was easy to fall for it because she was mournin..."
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so what may usually be red flags was seen as pain..

but we quickly realized she was off

maybe some saw it day 1 but I think a lot of fans were also upset at the lack of acknowledgment on okp’s home page.

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611. "That fight video was a hard watch... so much anger coming out"
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I'm hoping she finds peace.

  

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612. "fight video? wtf"
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613. "lawd.. that was awful"
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I can’t see how someone can do all that while still making sure the live is rolling



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619. "Jaguar vs TSA"
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620. "Jeezus."
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621. "That was ugly."
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631. ""do you need help carrying it?""
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"fuck off."

i snickered a bit. ngl.

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633. "lol yea that cracked me up, too, for sure."
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626. "Instagram needs to block her account"
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630. "that's what she get for flying out of midway."
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smh

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655. "lets not get carried away here. midway is way better than o'hare!"
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666. "lol. was waiting for this response-"
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657. "Dang! This is so so sad."
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622. "Are We As Humans More Prone to Violence & Anger?"
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I ask because when there are psychological issues, the norm seems to skew towards violence, violent outbursts and anger. More like the training wheels and suppressors come off to reveal what's beneath.

It may exist, but I rarely hear of people who experience these diagnoses becoming calmer and nicer.

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623. "Well, look at chimps; our closest 'ancestors' in the animal world."
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That is what is underneath all the social mores and conditioning.

So, I'd say yes.

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625. "I think if you are raised in trauma and violence, then all you know how ..."
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respond to stress and issue is with violence and anger.

Like I always thought this scene in Dave was so true and real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yK67mwgDxI

Like the violence was so normal and routine Gata thought nothing of it and the red head dude was traumatized by it.

Or like some people reacted to Will SMith slapping Chris Rock as that was to be expected while others reacted described it as the "most unhinged thing they have experienced in their life" (true quote).

To put another way, I see someone like Drew Barrymore manically losing her shit (in a good way) to rain like the link below and think some people experience good crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEq6jybD4z8


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628. "How Does That Explain Those Who Haven't Grown Up"
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with violence, "devolving" into the same state when undergoing psychological distress?

The "he/she was such a good kid" growing into a sociopath or just having violent outbursts as their brain undergoes rapid reduction.

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629. "some people crazy "
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and some people don’t have that voice that says “don’t do that” when the thought of blowing some shit up enters their head.

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632. "Do you have examples of that?"
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A case where a kid who really suffered no trauma, came from an indisputably good home, turning into violent people?


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639. "RE: There's a Whole Series on Mass Murderers from Good Homes"
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Starting with the BTK (Bound Torture Killer)

https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/serial-killers-who-came-from-good-homes

We're talking body counts in the dozens with zero evidence of past trauma.

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627. "if you grow up around violence"
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solving problems with violence makes perfect sense.

had a few friends I grew up with who solved everything with violence. Went back home a few years ago and one dude who was more foe than friend went to the Army and had his head on straight. He says “yeah, ole boy (who was prone to violent outburst) finally realized the world isn’t going to change for him, he has to change for the world”

come to think of it, I have a lot of childhood friends who solved everything with violence and most of aged out of it but there are some who never did.

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635. "I went through this post and spent a lot of time here yesterday"
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I watched a few interviews on YouTube and even went to her Dalladephia site. And then I watched the videos posted here on Malik B.

I can truly say that I am very clear now on why God blocked me from the music industry. I knew I had the talent. I was surrounded by people who were in the industry and they tried to change me into being a person who was ready for it. They downloaded a lot of thought processes into my mind from the age of 19-27 (1999-2007). And those years were the most frustrating of my life because although great music was being made in the studio and great talent was being showcased at open mics and poetry spots in Richmond, I was lost. I was lost and I didn’t get anywhere near close to the industry as I wanted to. So I can see why JW is so layered. She reminded me so much of the people I was around and tried to emulate during my time of trying to “make it”. It’s like so many personalities come out of her. So many emotions and so many demons that she has to feed with something to soothe them. Her face and eyes and anger sadden me because I literally went to bed and woke up with someone like that every day. I pray she can truly tap into that Christianity that she professes and give those demons over to Jesus.

I am thankful that I wasn’t allowed to get that deep into the culture. Even though that was the exact scene I longed to be a part of. I was told I wasn’t edgy enough and I didn’t have the heart for it yet. That made me sad at the time but I’m grateful for it now because it hid me and protected me from certain demons. I experienced the residue of certain demons but only because I played with them. I didn’t get too deep into traumas because I wouldn’t let them change or possess me. It took me many years to realize I was aspiring towards the wrong thing. 2020 is when I turned my heart back to finding my purpose in God only. I thank God for protecting me through those years when I was trying to be something I wasn’t just to feel a sense of belonging to people who loved music and culture as much as I did. It was truly a trap.
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636. "yeah.. we started in Richmond in 97"
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and moved to Philly in 2000 to 2005 trying to break into the industry

can’t trust noooobody

“sometimes it be your own people”

fun but dark times



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637. "Yeah so we probably know a few of the same people"
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I’m not sure if we discussed that already back in the day but yeah. One of the producers I recorded with lived in Philly and I remember recording at a studio there and going to a beat battle that I took footage of. I should find a clip and post it here to see if you recognize any of the folks hosting or competing. I always wanted to move to Philly but never did and am somewhat grateful I didn’t. Don’t get me wrong I had great times but they were also dark and in the end it seems like a distraction from a path that would have or could have been much more productive. Seeing people trying to duplicate what was done back then today is either sad or counterfeit. If my children were interested in music I would certainly tell them to tap into it but not as a career. I wasted a lot of time back then which is why I think I don’t even write anymore now. It makes me sad when people play my old music. It really makes me sad.
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638. "if you did open mics you knew Lorna (RIP)"
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and of course Underground Railroad with Jazz Poets Society

Lonnie B and Mad Skillz crew

Bear One was a DJ and producer. He moved to Philly and still lives there.

we used to throw a lot of shows and had a Tuesday night at Richies on Broad St by the 7/11. Small spot but we packed that place tight.

Threw a lot of shows at Alley Cats. Shockoe Bottom had some nice spots but they closed down the biggest venue right before our Black Star Show which totally fucked us over.

If it wasn’t for Richmond I would’ve never been in the music scene that deep.

but like you, if I would’ve stayed in the biz I would prolly be dead from excessive drinking and ummm… chasing after tail.

Wouldn’t trade it for the world. Met tons of artists and collaborated and shared stages with a lot of people. Also lost a lot of money on failed shows and sometimes the money didn’t add up at the end of the night which meant some folk were stealing, lol

music biz has so many 2 faced people too. Trust no one, everyone is out to get theirs and will butter you up and stab you in the back. If it aint in writing, don’t believe the hype.

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640. "I knew Lorna and traveled with her a lot when she expanded to DC"
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Jazz Poets Society folks I know, and I also worked with the Lyrics Ave crew, not sure if you knew them.

Lonnie B and Mad Skillz crew yes!

Bear One actually produced one of my favorite recordings called "Feminine of He"

He stopped talking to me after me and his best friend Kleph Dollaz split up. It was a rocky break up and even when Kleph was cool with me afterwards Bear never forgave me, which was a blow to me because I really enjoyed working with him. I recorded that song in Philly and we did it in one take. I'll find it and link it here so you can hear it. My writing was a lot clearer back then and I really thought I was going to break in the industry if I kept going. But the drinking and smoking clouded me a bit. And that relationship with Kleph was rocky, may he RIP. We made great music and every day felt like a soundtrack. We lost a lot of good ones. Both he and Lorna have murals in Richmond which I visit from time to time. I have performed at Alley Katz a few times too. I forgot about that place. lol.



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642. "Whoa.. you dated Kleph? I was shocked to hear he passed. "
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we weren’t really that cool with a lot of Richmond heads because we weren’t from Richmond but they had to “tolerate” us because we carved out a nice lil corner and brought a lot of hip hop shows to Richmond.

Bear One was always cool as hell tho.

Actually saw Skillz and Bear One in LA at my homies wedding a few years back.



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644. "I met Kleph in 99"
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He produced a lot of songs on my first project “When Morning Comes”. We worked together for a few years and started dating in 2002. I lived with him for 5 years. My life was music constantly. He would wake up make a beat and I would write and record. Sometimes he made three beats but every day he made at least one. It was the most exciting thing in the world to live with your Muse. But we were both so intensely into each other that it wasn’t healthy because we had no limits. We loved hard and there was no buffer. We were always on 10! When it was good it was great, when it was bad it was tragic. When we split finally we didn’t speak for 5 years. I reached out to him through email and he replied and we said our sorry’s through replies and then he died a few months later. I was devastated I didn’t speak to him in person but it was one of those relationships where when it ended we had to be apart because we were so intensely close. I didn’t go the the funeral. I couldn’t. My son was a few months old and I was dating his father who always told me I had never gotten over him. In retrospect I believe I never have had closure because I didn’t see him laid to rest. I used to document lots of the times we spent together. Riding to Plan 9, sitting and talking, working on music, etc. I have never loved that hard with anyone and never want to love that hard again. All the moments we shared just the two of us and now I’m left holding all those memories with no one to share them with. I always thought I’d have time to reflect on our past together later in life. It’s bittersweet.


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650. "Damn.. sorry to hear that"
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I remember he always walked around with his album around campus or at open mics.

Plan 9 was my shit!!! Used to live in there. Pretty sure they were the first record shop that let you listen to an album before buying it. If they didn’t have an open copy they would just open the CD or record and let you go to the listening station and chill with it. No pressure to buy it.

I had the same type of relationships when I lived in Richmond. It was real easy to get “stuck” to someone creative and spend way too much time with them and lose yourself.

It was a dope time though. Loved that city and made lifelong friends. Also met
my wife there as well. We went back to Richmond a few years ago and almost got lost on campus..

where is Community Pride!! lol

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godleeluv
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641. "Here is the song Bear produced."
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this had to be around 2002. I believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elfih9LIE9Y






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legsdiamond
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643. "nice. Check your inbox"
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godleeluv
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645. "Subscribed and added to my playlist"
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Thanks fam


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646. "This is you ?? What a beautiful voice !!"
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godleeluv
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647. "Yes and thank you. I wrote it in 2002 and recorded it in Philly"
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Fri Feb-03-23 12:47 PM by godleeluv

  

          

It went wood tho. Lol.

I didn’t realize the video cut off before the song ended so here is another link to the full song just in case someone wants to hear it till the end.

https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38


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Dstl1
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648. "damn! this is REALLY good!!!"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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649. "Thanks Fam!"
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“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

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Cold Truth
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652. "Like Whoa! "
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Far, far, far beyond expectation.

This was fantastic, and it makes me sad if you're no longer recording.

  

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653. "Wow this song is good. And your story has been on my mind all day. "
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You describe it so well that I can't help but it get it. It really sounds like it could be a novel or short story I would read.

Like I would love to read a story about the burgeoning music scene in Richmond in the early 2000s and the aftermath.

Thanks for sharing.



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legsdiamond
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654. "Richmond was a special place during the late 90’s "
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I know you asked her but I was also there at the same time.

VCU had tons of artist at that time..

musicians, dancers, producers, etc

and we would throw a show anywhere. What made Richmond so dope is its highly underrated as a foodie city. So you had all these little pubs and restaurants that would let you host a night or throw a lil open mic.

and you had a huge melting pot of people. Black, white, asian, indian, african, etc..

as college kids we were all on some “don’t take it to DC, do it in Richmond.

I’ll never forget promoting in DC and a DJ was like “how the fuck did you get all of Heiroglyphics in Richmond?

We just called them.. lol. It really was that easy. We thought these were huge artist but they were just young artist desperate to perform ANYWHERE.

Which meant we could book local acts to open for them.



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658. "I got there in 99"
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Was introduced to Kleph and started recording and experiencing the music culture there. It wasn’t NY or Philly but it was perfect for me because it wasn’t too fast but full of opportunity. I found the Verses crew at Tropical Soul and went there every Tuesday despite some pushback I got in my relationship. I felt like I was a part of something great. The only problem was I was starting to drink a lot more and used drinking to calm my anxiety in social settings. I didn’t need to do that there at Verses but I did anyway and it clouded a lot of my memories. When I started working at Croaker’s Spot I found another home as most of the folks there were into music as well. Good food and music. Lots of poetry and I was in my early twenties with no children yet. I only wish I had left the alcohol alone back then because it was not needed at all. I had everything I needed to be successful and the drinking dimmed my light a bit.

When Lorna took Verses to DC on Wednesdays I rode up with her a lot and helped with the setup and break down. We would ride and listen to music and sing and she would always joke me because my favorite songs were slow and melodic and mainly sad songs. She could always identify if I would like a song based on how fast or slow it was, how deep it was and so forth. But that was my vibe then and still kinda is now.

When the flood came I was right there in it. Trapped in a building with Kleph and the other people living there. That was a sad sad day. I helped him save a lot of his music though and he got a tat of me holding his MPC because I literally picked it up and started moving stuff out of that basement apartment cause he didn’t think the storm was gonna get that bad. He eventually followed suit and moved some things but he lost so much still because the water came in so fast. I remember thinking we might die. Someone did die in the building now that I think about it.

Whew. So many stories.
“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

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legsdiamond
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660. "Never made it to Tropical Soul for Versus"
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or I don’t remember because like you said, there was a lot of drinking and smoking in those days. I wonder why he wasn’t a fan of you going to Verse’s.. was it too poetry and not hip hop
enough for him? I think we had a hip hop night at Richie’s on Tuesdays.

I remember Eggleston’s before they moved to Croakers Spot. Even took my fam there for graduation fish sammiches. That joint was slamming. The host was a member of Tribe of Judah. I stopped through Croakers a few times over the years when passing through.

Thank goodness I missed that flood. I remember seeing photos with Shockoe Bottom deep under water. That was crazy.

Lorna was cool as hell. She was in charge of student activities so she gave us heads up on upcoming shows. She brought Poor Righteous Teachers to VCU! Man, we kicked it with them for hours talking about conspiracies and the back of a dollar bill. Also brought Special Ed but it got rained out. She also looked out and would book us for shows on campus and hit us off with a stack which was serious bread back then for a 30 minute set. I couldn’t believe it when I heard she passed.







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661. "Yes I went to the funeral and it was something special. A great turnout"
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Wed Feb-08-23 09:59 PM by godleeluv

  

          

in her honor. Sometimes i look at the videos I took on my phone from when we were at Bohemian Caverns in DC just so i can hear her voice again. She was so uplifting, supportive, and ahead of her time and I miss her dearly.

I think at the time I moved out of my parents house and moved in with Kleph i went from parents trying to control me to a partner trying to control me. I had no idea how to combat that so I became very defiant and I did not communicate or listen well to reasoning. I just assumed he didnt want me to go there and shine and build a reputation in that poetry scene. I felt that he felt I was very impressionable and trying to find my way and that I could easily change into something that wasn't me and lose myself. I feel that I did that with him too. I wanted to be so much like him and his opinion meant everything.

Looking back I see how I was unhealthy for him and vice versa. We were both young and I was more of a fan than a help meet.

I didn't speak up about things I should have and was very passive aggressive so precious time was wasted and opportunities were missed. But we definitely loved each other hard. I found this video of us talking but it depicts how we chilled, talked to each other, and laughed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxES3AgquOQ


“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

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664. "we were all on one back then"
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dont sell out
natural hair
dont eat the swine
DONT SELL OUT!!!

we had all these rules that we only half followed and thought we had everything figured out.

Its all the reason a lot of folks failed at trying to make it in the biz back then.

Even in Skillz crew he had issues with people who didn’t want to listen to his advice on how to navigate the biz.

More than likely there was a fear of you being discovered or finding another producer who would snatch you up or just thinking a dude could hook you with promises of fame.



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662. "Some rough footage from Wednesday Verses in DC at Bohemian Caverns"
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You can clearly hear Lorna laughing at me

https://youtu.be/_v9lDOl0HKU

“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

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656. "wow. this is beautiful"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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659. "Thank you"
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I loved every minute of recording this song. Not only cause we were in Philly, but because we did it in one take. I’ve never had a studio session go so smoothly before that or since then. It felt like I was exactly where I was supposed to be exactly when I was supposed to be there. You can’t take moments like that for granted because you never know when they will happen again.
“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

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663. "dope."
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the soul in your voice is amazing.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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665. "Thank you"
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“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

MELa
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