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ThaTruth
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"When was the last time they found a CURE for anything? Let me conspiracy..."


          

theory rant for minute on a Friday.

I definitely believe COVID-19 is real it has affected my family directly.

But I still question the presented reasons of where it comes from and how it spreads and how fast it spreads.

Then I hear that federal government is giving billions to medical companies to "research" the virus and to produce a vaccine.

Then I start to wonder about who's best interest its in to have these numbers constantly going up.

Then I think about all the money and miraculous technology we have today and what was the last thing they actually cured? measles?

Oh yeah and exactly what are all those white people in Portland protesting?


Other than that how is your Friday going? Weekend plans? How is your "social distancing"? Are you following the rules and only being around people who live in your home or are socializing with close friends and family? Or are you like YOLO and out here living your best life at the bars, brunches & beaches?

  

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The Portland hoodie wearing radicals make it hard to root for them
Jul 24th 2020
1
where did he make that point tho?
Jul 24th 2020
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      Exactly
Jul 25th 2020
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Viruses mutate. You can’t really cure them because they’re “living...
Jul 24th 2020
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ok well what about these?:
Jul 24th 2020
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      I'm not sure I understand your question
Jul 24th 2020
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           obviously(c)A.Dodson
Jul 24th 2020
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They "cure" the flu every year
Jul 24th 2020
3
The create a viral strain based off previous viruses
Jul 24th 2020
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Take a wild guess. Hint: its the year 2020
Jul 24th 2020
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No idea what’s going on in Portland but that’s an Antifa paradise.
Jul 24th 2020
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exactly
Jul 25th 2020
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This is basically a conspiracy theorist cipher, right?
Jul 24th 2020
11
2nd sentence
Jul 25th 2020
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Yep. First question to ask when any conspiracy theory comes up
Jul 25th 2020
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      one of those ufo shows came on yesterday while i was working
Jul 26th 2020
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RE: When was the last time they found a CURE for anything? Let me conspi...
Jul 25th 2020
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SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) was modified by man, in a lab.
Jul 25th 2020
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      I'd like to read those articles.
Jul 25th 2020
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      Here:
Jul 25th 2020
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           RE: Here:
Jul 25th 2020
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      Who would the cover up of that benefit?
Jul 25th 2020
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           To what end? A hot war with China? That wouldn't end well...
Jul 25th 2020
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           I mean... dude been blaming China from the jump.
Jul 25th 2020
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Vaccines only attempt to emulate an immune response and...
Jul 25th 2020
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Really is a question of 'Which is worse for you?'
Jul 25th 2020
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Do you personally know any scientists or other relevant experts?
Jul 25th 2020
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      The people in power know WAY more than I. I don't believe...
Jul 26th 2020
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           I see.
Jul 26th 2020
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I remember some intro science class prof way back
Jul 25th 2020
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      AFAIK
Jul 26th 2020
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           RE: AFAIK
Jul 26th 2020
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So any honest responses to this part?
Jul 26th 2020
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RE: So any honest responses to this part?
Jul 26th 2020
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We don’t leave the house we don’t see nobody
Jul 26th 2020
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me and my wife are at home
Jul 27th 2020
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Somebody is at these bars, brunches and beaches so ether somebody lying....
Jul 27th 2020
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you act like OKPs are young lol
Jul 27th 2020
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damn you had to remind us that were are OLD OLD lol, I figured we had...
Jul 27th 2020
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wow, out of millions of people some do things differently
Jul 27th 2020
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I'm out there four days a week.
Jul 27th 2020
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Recreation and socializing w/ fam/friends, always outside, 95% mask
Jul 27th 2020
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im over it. socializing is back on
Jul 27th 2020
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I avoid being indoors, but I still chop it up w/ folks around the neighb...
Jul 27th 2020
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i do whatever i want if its possible
Jul 27th 2020
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We went to the beach yesterday.
Jul 27th 2020
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i could do better
Jul 27th 2020
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Pretty much the same as I've been doing
Jul 27th 2020
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It's like Lenin said: you look for the person who will benefit
Jul 26th 2020
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wont be a "cure"
Jul 27th 2020
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RE: When was the last time they found a CURE for anything? Let me conspi...
Jul 28th 2020
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1. "The Portland hoodie wearing radicals make it hard to root for them "
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Fri Jul-24-20 09:43 AM by Amritsar

  

          

I’m with you on that point


The fuck are they stillll out there for? I always look real hard for anyone of color in those crowds too

You can definitely find a few. A few

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10. "where did he make that point tho?"
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>I’m with you on that point
>
*searching*

>The fuck are they stillll out there for?

regardless if you agree with the protests or not, you can't deny that the continued protests have exposed Trump's secret police force, the illegal use of tear gas, and so much more


I always look real
>hard for anyone of color in those crowds too
>
>You can definitely find a few. A few

i'm glad white people are laying their bodies on the line, as well.

it really shouldn't be just us.

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15. "Exactly"
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>regardless if you agree with the protests or not, you can't
>deny that the continued protests have exposed Trump's secret
>police force, the illegal use of tear gas, and so much more

The Portland protests started out as protests against police brutality because of George Floyd...but at this point it’s more broadly anti-fascism because of the police and now Federal response. Things were winding down before 45 sent in the Feds to tear gas mostly peaceful protests...

  

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2. "Viruses mutate. You can’t really cure them because they’re “living..."
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And adaptive. They “learn”, adapt, go dormant, etc.
Hell they even have at least DNA or RNA
So you can’t cure a virus no more than you can cure a lion
Meanwhile bacteria cause infections. So if you’re looking to attack a bacteria you’re trying to cure the infection.
So take something like scurvy, which you can “cure” by giving someone an orange.


That Chris Rock bit has fucked us up for all time.

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5. "ok well what about these?:"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incurable_diseases

  

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6. "I'm not sure I understand your question"
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7. "obviously(c)A.Dodson"
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3. "They "cure" the flu every year"
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4. "The create a viral strain based off previous viruses"
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They inoculate people with a small enough dosage to trigger an immunity response but not an infection.
This serves two purposes, it helps build your immune system up incase you do catch it, then you can be prepared physically and then also it reduces the nodes of transmission between people. Reducing the distance that the virus can spread.
If vaccines were more widely available and used AND people had a safety net that allowed them to stay at home when sick rather than go to work/school/whatever ... a virus like the flu would likely flare up badly every other year rather than get worse every single year.

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8. "Take a wild guess. Hint: its the year 2020"
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>Oh yeah and exactly what are all those white people in
>Portland protesting?


Damn near every state has been protesting against overpolicing and racism for the past 2 months.


What could Portland possibly be protesting about.

Quite the conundrum!

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9. "No idea what’s going on in Portland but that’s an Antifa paradise. "
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Going to the coast this weekend.

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13. "exactly "
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11. "This is basically a conspiracy theorist cipher, right? "
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>theory rant for minute on a Friday.
>
>I definitely believe COVID-19 is real it has affected my
>family directly.
>
>But I still question the presented reasons of where it comes
>from and how it spreads and how fast it spreads.
>
>Then I hear that federal government is giving billions to
>medical companies to "research" the virus and to produce a
>vaccine.
>
>Then I start to wonder about who's best interest its in to
>have these numbers constantly going up.
>
>Then I think about all the money and miraculous technology we
>have today and what was the last thing they actually cured?
>measles?

A lot of open ended questions that could lead anywhere lol

Actually I think how quickly we jump to conspiracy theories is part of the problem.

Too many people are reflexively suspicious of anything the government says so they just ignore guidance off of reflex. They start wondering about the motivations of people they really don't know rather than focusing on what's within their sphere of control.

The only known cure for viruses is prevention, either through vaccination or just not getting it. We (regular people) have no control over the development of a vaccine so all we can do is try to avoid getting it.

And since it's a new disease, we really don't know what the full effects of it are, so it's reckless for some to think that the mild to non-existent symptoms they have now will be all the symptoms they ever have (think chicken pox vs shingles).










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12. "2nd sentence "
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16. "Yep. First question to ask when any conspiracy theory comes up"
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is “how many people would need to be involved to cover this up?”...and not just how many, but where are those people, and is there any common benefit all of those people. Doesn’t make sense at ALL for something like this - because governments from the entire world (and the medical/scientific community) would have to all be collaborating on a coronavirus conspiracy. What mutual benefit would there be? I could see if we were talking about one country, but the entire world? When most of these countries can’t agree on anything?

  

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32. "one of those ufo shows came on yesterday while i was working"
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and this administration makes me even less of a conspiracy theorist

if trump or flynn knew any of those kinds of government secrets at all, that shit would already be leaked.

and if there were movers behind the scenes running shit, they wouldn't have let this clusterfuck happen.

  

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14. "RE: When was the last time they found a CURE for anything? Let me conspi..."
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>But I still question the presented reasons of where it comes
>from and how it spreads and how fast it spreads.

What about the phenomenon of zoonosis (viruses jumping from animals to humans) do you question? It's something that happens quite regularly, and virologists and epidemiologists around the world have been warning for "the big one" for decades. Swine flu, SARS, MERS, Q fever and others petered out without becoming serious pandemics, but sooner or later a virus like SARS-CoV-2 was bound to rear its head.

The fact that these new viruses regularly originate in China is because China is huge, with many densely populated areas and lots of wet markets where animals from all kinds of different biotopes are traded and slaughtered, often with little regard for hygiene.

The fast spread is mainly due to two factors: it being a new virus, which means people haven't built up any natural resistance to it, and increased global mobility of people and goods.

So...

What about the above strikes you as unbelievable? What do you make of the fact that there is a strong consensus among biologists, virologists, epidemiologists, etc. around the world (not just the US) that this is how it works? What would be a *more likely* alternative explanation? What kind of expert backing or evidence would you base that explanation on?

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17. "SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) was modified by man, in a lab."
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It's not a "conspiracy theory." You can pretty-much read through the entire evolution of this virus in science articles released YEARS BEFORE it escaped the lab in 2019.

  

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18. "I'd like to read those articles."
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21. "Here:"
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2004
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20040423/china-sars-death

2008
https://www.pnas.org/content/105/50/19944

2010
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00705-010-0729-6

2014
https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/how-dangerous-viruses-could-escape-from-laboratories.html

2015
https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985?fbclid=IwAR0iTTfDlT-uxNFPtvQH-xFrF6QaF1hKE1Ey2TPrEi17XfFUElbpUlAosDc

2017
https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

2019
https://www.newsweek.com/2019/11/01/synthetic-biology-manmade-virus-terrorism-1467569.html


You can see what the scientists were doing on the abstracts. Many cases, they were editing the virus to make it more infectious for testing purposes.



Also, remember these stories?

2019
https://www.universalhub.com/2019/chinese-researcher-nabbed-liquid-filled-vials
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/harvard-professor-chinese-nationals-arrest-espionage/index.html


Right before Covid-19 came out.

  

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25. "RE: Here:"
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>2004
>https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20040423/china-sars-death

Accident with a different virus, 16 years ago. Published on WebMD for everyone to read.

>2008
>https://www.pnas.org/content/105/50/19944

Different virus, 12 years ago, no incidents, research needed to understand these viruses. Don't see how this is relevant in any way. All it proves is that research into viruses happens, which I'm personally very glad about.

>2010
>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00705-010-0729-6

Same :/

>2014
>https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/how-dangerous-viruses-could-escape-from-laboratories.html

>2015
>https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787
>https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985?fbclid=IwAR0iTTfDlT-uxNFPtvQH-xFrF6QaF1hKE1Ey2TPrEi17XfFUElbpUlAosDc

"Could", "risky", etc. No evidence of Sars-CoV-2 being engineered in any way.

>2017
>https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

So there's a lab where they study dangerous viruses. Again, no proof of your claim in any way.

>2019
>https://www.newsweek.com/2019/11/01/synthetic-biology-manmade-virus-terrorism-1467569.html

More speculation.

>You can see what the scientists were doing on the abstracts.
>Many cases, they were editing the virus to make it more
>infectious for testing purposes.

Even if that's true, so what? None of the viruses mentioned are Sars-CoV-2. Some are related, but so is the common cold. Was that engineered as well?

>Also, remember these stories?
>
>2019
>https://www.universalhub.com/2019/chinese-researcher-nabbed-liquid-filled-vials

>https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

>https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/harvard-professor-chinese-nationals-arrest-espionage/index.html

I remember, yes. Instances of IP theft not involving Sars-CoV-2 (as far as I can tell) are not proof of Sars-CoV-2 being engineered. Why do you think they are?


>Right before Covid-19 came out.

Yeah. Research, IP theft and speculation happen all the time, also right before a major pandemic. Also before the virus outbreaks that didn't turn into a major pandemic. I guess they finally engineered it well enough???

You made quite an extraordinary claim and the only evidence you post couldn't even be described as circumstantial.

And again, there are a ton of people around the world whose job it is to keep up with this stuff, and I haven't seen any of them claiming Sars-CoV-2 was engineered. Not in the US, not over here, nowhere. Maybe they're all in on it. Or maybe you should be mailing them these links, because it would be a shocker of global proportions if it were true and PLENTY of scientists would be more than glad to scream it from the rooftops. They're not all paid by China, or the IP theft wouldn't even be necessary, lol.

You really have to do better if you want to convince me that "it was engineered" (for which there is no evidence) instead of it having jumped from animals (for which there is a ton of evidence).

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20. "Who would the cover up of that benefit?"
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If there was proof that Covid-19 was created in a lab in China, Trump (and the rest of the world’s governments outside of China) would be showing that proof non-stop. Trump is already blaming China for it with no proof of it being lab created. If he had proof that would be the ONLY thing he’d be talking about.

Separate from Trump if there was scientific proof out there that this was lab created, why would the worldwide scientific community cover it up? What would be the benefit? Who all would have to be involved in the coverup?

  

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22. "To what end? A hot war with China? That wouldn't end well..."
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...for any country. China, like the US, is too big and strong to just go invading, and our economies are currently too tied together. We'd both lose, even if it was just US vs. China with no nukes.

Instead, we're in a cold war now:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/politics/us-china-coronavirus-diplomacy-intelligence-donald-trump/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/politics/trump-china-announcement/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-blame-game-on-coronavirus-trump-white-house-pursues-broader-campaign-to-punish-china-on-other-issues/2020/07/23/ec1585a4-cd01-11ea-bc6a-6841b28d9093_story.html
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/china-us-orders-close-consulate-houston-71914064
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/25/china-accuses-us-of-improperly-entering-houston-co/


Trump & Co. are beating the drum, albeit quietly.

  

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24. "I mean... dude been blaming China from the jump. "
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but politics had everyone acting goofy early on.

We shoulda stopped all flights from China the moment we heard about this shit but people said it was racist to refuse them. The names used for it (Kong flu) were definitely racist but stopping turning people away would’ve helped us early on.

Damn.. I’m out here sounding like I’m defending this clown..

but let’s be real, if Obama was still in office and stoped flights from China in January we woulda praised that decision.

Long rant but the point is Trump has tried to call it a weapon from China and Dems and Trump haters ain’t trying to hear that because he fucked up the response and is an full asshole.

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19. "Vaccines only attempt to emulate an immune response and..."
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...'herd immunity.'

Basically giving people a crippled version of the virus so that one's body can build defenses against it, without being exposed to the (presumably) more-dangerous real version.

Vaccines don't 'cure' anything, and as far as I know we're NEVER "cured" (completely removed) any viruses from people, ever.

  

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23. "Really is a question of 'Which is worse for you?'"
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The vaccine or the actual virus?

Which is worse for your health in the long run?

It's really a personal question and answer that depends on the individual, the virus and the vaccine.

The ideal situation is not getting the virus or taking a vaccine at all.

  

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26. "Do you personally know any scientists or other relevant experts?"
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Honest question, because I don't understand why you seem to think that these people don't ask the same questions you do.

Determining whether a vaccine is more or less dangerous than the virus it's supposed to protect against is literally the reason they have long-ass trials before they go to market. It's not to check if people like the name or the taste, ffs.

For a very small subset of people, the vaccine might cause more complications than the virus, but for the overwhelming majority of people it's a no-brainer to get inoculated. Especially because it also helps that small subset of people that can't be inoculated because they're likely to experience bad side-effects.

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29. "The people in power know WAY more than I. I don't believe..."
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...that they have our best interests in heart & mind when they do things. History has proven this.

One doesn't need to be a scientist to understand that:

1. There has never been a successful vaccine for a coronavirus
https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

2. Fastest ever vaccine for anything took four years
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/the-fastest-ever-vaccine-took-5-years-deputy-cmo-ronan-glynn-rules-out-covid-19-vaccine-being-ready-by-late-summer/ar-BB14irpk

3. Clinical testing is one of the lengthiest parts. The vaccine must be tested and observed on a group of people over the course of months to years, and if that fails then back to the drawing board.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-04-06/why-will-it-take-so-long-for-a-covid-19-vaccine


If COVID-19 vaccine appears anytime soon, we can be sure that it is highly experimental and hasn't been properly tested just based on the above three points.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html

  

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31. "I see. "
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Nice talk.

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27. "I remember some intro science class prof way back"
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talking about how these things exist in their own sort of ecosystem and essentially take up space or niches and fight over infecting things so to speak. Which is why the idea of 'curing' the common cold is not sensible because if you actually removed that from the ecosystem you don't know what would replace it and how much worse it could be.

Even some things they vaccinated out like measles or small pox are never really gone, there were like two labs where one of those were supposed to exist in their own little quarantine. And they show back up apparently when people stop vaccinating as has happened.

There was some tweet that annoyed me about movie theatres disinefecting all the seats after every movie at the start of this (before things closed) and people thought they should be doing that all the time, but they really shouldn't, because that's just how these things get immune to stuff like that.

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28. "AFAIK"
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Measles are still around, killing tens of thousands each year. Which is significantly less than the millions it killed before the widespread availability of the vaccine. Unfortunately, vaccination rates are dropping in many places, partly thanks to folks like Flipnile going "the vaccine might be worse, we don't KNOW" (we do, it's not).

Smallpox has actually been eradicated, but they keep a few samples locked away for research purposes. Apparently there's controversy over whether this is actually needed, with Russia and the US flouting recommendations by the WHO (what a surprise) to completely destroy the last remaining samples.

As far as I can tell, nothing has taken the place of smallpox in the natural order of things. I wonder what exactly your professor was talking about and how well you remember it, because I'm not familiar with this theory that eradicated viruses leave a vacuum that will necessarily be filled with another dangerous thing. If you have more specific information, I'm interested to see it. I'm not a scientist, so it's very possible that I've simply never read about this phenomenon.

Finally, and I hope anyone feels free to correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm pretty sure that viruses only replicate inside a host, so they won't evolve in response to selective pressure outside hosts, which means that they won't develop resistance to detergents (which I think work by destroying cell barriers, something which is hard to evolve against anyways, just like humans won't likely develop skin resistant to acid or fire).

Bacteria don't need a host to procreate, so they might be able to develop resistance against things designed to kill them outside a live host (so not antibiotics). But I'm not sure whether detergents etc. count, because as I mentioned above, developing a resistance against soap/alcohol/etc. dissolving the cell barrier isn't very likely to happen because a few genes change.

If there are any biologists in the house, I hope they'll take this opportunity to shoot holes in my patchy knowledge of these things. I tried verifying what I remember, but I couldn't find specific info on evolving against cleaning supplies in the time I had. Which could mean anything, lol.

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35. "RE: AFAIK"
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It might have been a high school teacher honestly, so most of what I wrote was hearsay and possibly misremembered though I did pay attention in school lol, I'd welcome corrections to all of that. I think we only have resident physicists here though.

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30. "So any honest responses to this part?"
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How are you all managing “social distancing”?

>Other than that how is your Friday going? Weekend plans? How
>is your "social distancing"? Are you following the rules and
>only being around people who live in your home or are
>socializing with close friends and family? Or are you like
>YOLO and out here living your best life at the bars, brunches
>& beaches?

  

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33. "RE: So any honest responses to this part?"
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I’ve been locked in since March. My trips to grocery stores and Target/Walmart have cut down drastically. My favorite place to be, movie theaters, are closed, so I don’t have that excuse to be out & about. I went to Myrtle Beach a few weeks ago but wore a mask everywhere and never went to the actual beach.

I was barely social before all this started.

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34. "We don’t leave the house we don’t see nobody "
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My parents came over yesterday to swap my moms pedals
I opened the side gate, we masked up, and I worked on it outdoors

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37. "me and my wife are at home"
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we get outside around the neighborhood, if we need to shop we have masks on.

if someone needs me for something, I'll be there, but for recreation? nah man.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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38. "Somebody is at these bars, brunches and beaches so ether somebody lying...."
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or scared to post about on it OKP lol.

I have a small handful group of friends that I socialize with regularly, mostly in each others homes but we venture out occasionally. We're all single and live alone so the stay home alone thing was becoming a mental drain. With all this pandemic/protesting going on mental health is almost as big a COVID itself. You can only do so many zooms, at some point you need actual human interaction.

As I've said before my family is all over the place, immediate family is basically on lockdown within their homes only coming out for "essential" items and then they're masked and gloved up to the hilt. Then my extended family is having BBQ's and shit "as long as its 10 people or less" and they are not always adhering to that random rule.

I've been out to eat to a couple of new restaurants and there was literally no one else there but the staff at first then a few people started to trickle in. I've been to 1 movie theater. Outside of the 2 friends I went with there was only 1 other person in the entire theater. Cool for us but I know they are not making money like that. I do a lot of carryout from local business trying to support them.

  

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39. "you act like OKPs are young lol"
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I'm 33 and I'm probably one of the younger ppl still posting. And I ain't really been nowhere. Have visited two friends (four people between those two households). Have had three visitors (seven people total). WFH. Going for an occasional run or walk outside but not the gym. Very few stores and always masked when there. Not a bar, not eating in, not the movies. I am considering traveling for my birthday but it will probably be a drive somewhere and a solo trip.

  

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40. "damn you had to remind us that were are OLD OLD lol, I figured we had..."
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a few Twentysomings lurking around somewhere that would give us the "deets" lol

>I'm 33 and I'm probably one of the younger ppl still posting.
>And I ain't really been nowhere. Have visited two friends
>(four people between those two households). Have had three
>visitors (seven people total). WFH. Going for an occasional
>run or walk outside but not the gym. Very few stores and
>always masked when there. Not a bar, not eating in, not the
>movies. I am considering traveling for my birthday but it will
>probably be a drive somewhere and a solo trip.

  

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47. "wow, out of millions of people some do things differently"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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49. "I'm out there four days a week."
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Our restaurant has pretty steadily served 30-50 people a night with another 10-20 during lunch since re-opening. Most prefer the patio but our tables are more like 7 or even 8 feet apart than 6 thanks to the depth of our space so indoor dining is pretty comfortable.

We've hosted a handful of ~30 people wedding related events as well and those can be kind of unsettling. Last night we had people from California, Texas and Florida at the wedding, and only two or three of them were wearing masks any time they weren't eating or drinking. They were at tables of five or less and sequestered by place of origin, but of course at the end of the night there was mingling and saying hello, so...those definitely make you a little nervous.

One employee has tested positive since March, so we closed for a day to do a deep clean and everyone was required to take an $80 test with a 15 minute turn around time (paid for by the restaurant) before we could return to work. We all tested negative so it's presumed he got it from a backyard birthday party he'd attended...but he did work two shifts between the party and the positive result, so... The fallout from that is one of our retail employees who also handles party coordinating deciding to work from home solely on party communications while looking for a different line of work, the positive employee obviously self-quarantining (he shows very mild symptoms after a week) and another employee who was gearing up to return deciding it just isn't worth it for her. So we have this super skeleton crew right now and as easy as it feels like it should be to convince somebody to work at a restaurant where everyone has a good time and there's zero interpersonal drama for ~$30 an hour...the pandemic complicates things exceptionally and anyone who wants to work wants to stay home where they're familiar and comfortable. Which totally makes sense.


I'm a huge creature of habit, though, so we finish up and go across the street to the industry bar every night like normal. The staff wears masks the entire time, we always take a table outside and I always wear a mask when I go back inside to use the restroom or talk to the bartender(s). It's also become a sort of important nightcap for me because one of the cocktail waitresses is one of the most vocal organizers for Black Lives Matter in Omaha, and two of the others are in charge of a local bail fund (on Saturday night over 100 protestors were kettled, peppered and then arrested for failure to disperse while crossing a bridge during what had otherwise been a sanctioned, escorted protest through midtown Omaha until the police decided it wasn't) so it's becoming not just a service industry meeting hub but a protest hub as well and it helps me find ways I can contribute without putting myself out there as a health risk or reducing hours at work.


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41. "Recreation and socializing w/ fam/friends, always outside, 95% mask"
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It's definitely a slippery slope, once you start socializing. I hung out with friends for the first time about 3 weeks ago to watch an F1 race on a friends deck. Started out distant w masks, ended up semi-distant w/o mask but I finally had to abort when they wanted to move the party inside.

I think people want an excuse to not worry about all the restrictions so it's easy to just go along with the crowd as they slowly slide down into dangerous habits.

We've started venturing a little further away from the house to do outdoor activities (walking in a public park, going to a local mini-zoo, eating out on the patio of a restaurant) but it's uncomfortable being around too many people right now, even if most people around here are at least trying.

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42. "im over it. socializing is back on"
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i havent been to bars yet and the gym hasnt opened but i've been on dates and had regular get togethers since Memorial Day when things started opening back up

i drive by the bars, and my buddy sends me videos from inside the clubs that can open due to loopholes and its too packed for me.

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43. "I avoid being indoors, but I still chop it up w/ folks around the neighb..."
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Outside, no mask. Jam w/ my band outside in a circle sometime too.

Inside, I always wrap it up.

  

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44. "i do whatever i want if its possible"
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keeping clean, wearing a mask in stores/spaces i don't frequent.

socially though i've been hanging with people the whole time.

"you sick? nah, aight roll up"

thats it.

the thing is going out fuckin SUCKS now. i legit hang out at a diner most nights just to have random convo with people. i know the owners too so that helps.

went out the other night to a bar.
"you need to eat something to come"
ok
"oh we close at 11"
why?
"because the kitchen closes at 11"

these bars and restaurants are going to cry poverty come winter because they want to follow some fuddy duddy made up rules it's so crazy. if i had a bar/restaurant i'd be open as much as possible while people still have the itch to go out.

  

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46. "We went to the beach yesterday. "
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We mask up in our in laws house this weekend but at home we don’t mask up and we go for walks.

We never take the kids to stores and we don’t eat out.

I’m seeing restaurants require mask but people are at the bar and eating without them. Shit is weird and backwards if you ask me


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48. "i could do better"
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ive been mostly doing the same since the stay home orders started. no more grocery stores or unnecessary trips to stores. the first month i was having to go physically into stores to try to find those in demand items. since then only doing grocery pick up.

i have had one close friend ive seen through it all. they pretty much hole up as well. still risky but it is what it is.

been doing a ton of take out, thats the main area i need to improve on. all it takes is one time for it to get me right?

ive been going in to work on and off. started off by coming in to work but having improved distance and promise of improved cleaning procedures. eventually we got masks and more people to come in to clean high contact points regularly. then got to work from home every other week.

for the past month ive been coming in to work. i think im going to work from home next week but not sure.

i did go see my brother on the 4th, his wife's sister and mom went as well. so probably the biggest risky thing ive done since ive been staying in. cant lie, i was kind of hoping this would slowly be the start of expanding my socializing but cases really started jumping around then. i did see him and his wife again on my bday because they wanted to give me gifts. next time i go somewhere will probably be for his bday. probably his house.

if i wasnt seeing my friend somewhat regularly i would probably be feeling pretty bad mentally. as it is i dont really have much of a need to go out. just wish i could visit my mom and my other brother and sister. that brother got the rona back in june and hes talking about visiting in september :/ i think his job has him traveling often.

  

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50. "Pretty much the same as I've been doing"
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I only see my girlfriend and her daughter.
The only place I go where Im around other people is the grocery store.
My Mom wanted to see us last weekend and we met at a park. We distanced with masks, or I took mine off if I was far enough away.
I have started getting food delivered fairly often which I wasn't doing at all at first.

We just got a bunch of camping stuff and have a few short trips planned through the rest of the summer. Seems pretty low risk to me and feels really nice to have something planned to get away from the house.

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36. "It's like Lenin said: you look for the person who will benefit"
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some cussing, so play discretely:

https://youtu.be/-eDOJ4L0Edk?start=42&end=67


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45. "wont be a "cure""
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i'm not going to trust any of those vaccines. hopefully the human body takes care of it and we're safe in about a year. unfortunately, people are going to die. it's sad, i hope everyone reading this and their loved ones are safe in the end.

the worlds upside down man.

the naked ballet yoga chick in portland? wtf is that about? why are they even giving that weirdo exposure?

this shit went from demanding justice for police mistreating blacks to... uh... anti... uh... FASCISM! yea thats it, we the spoiled american people are living under FASCISM!

i hate this place so much. people are trying to burn down court houses and getting mad when a "secret" police stops them because the regular police have been neutered.

FASCISM is when they run up in your house and make an example of you for having a different POV. "wake" me up when they start parading dudes heads on spikes around the town square.

  

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51. "RE: When was the last time they found a CURE for anything? Let me conspi..."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

  

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