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Reeq
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"Kanye In Full Breakdown Mode. Going At The Kardashians."


  

          

https://twitter.com/kanyewest

maybe hes hacked but could anyone really tell the difference?

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This is like watching a car accident in real time
Jul 20th 2020
1
i wouldnt even be mad if we get mutually assured destruction lol.
Jul 20th 2020
4
      100% they have video of all of his outbursts
Jul 20th 2020
6
           i wonder what it would take for the kardashians to fall off.
Jul 20th 2020
11
                Age.. that’s it. Once they age out it’s a wrap
Jul 21st 2020
59
he deleted 2 tweets of him googling halle berry and j law.
Jul 20th 2020
2
he also deleted 2 of these tweets including one mentioning drake.
Jul 20th 2020
7
      and this one about kim selling norths 'sex rape' (sic?)
Jul 20th 2020
8
           they had to be a typo right?
Jul 21st 2020
15
                i assume.
Jul 21st 2020
19
He ain’t hacked. He might use that excuse though.
Jul 20th 2020
3
the bill cosby shit checks out.
Jul 20th 2020
9
*facepalm*
Jul 20th 2020
5
he needs to be 5150'd
Jul 20th 2020
10
he deleted everything now.
Jul 21st 2020
12
I really really hope he's hacked. For his and his fam's sake
Jul 21st 2020
13
They are all deleted and what’s left? Album promo shit
Jul 21st 2020
14
Nah. Kanye is actually spitting real shit now.
Jul 21st 2020
16
It is super creepy to be even thinking about your kids in the context
Jul 21st 2020
17
dude gets no props for slut shaming his wife.
Jul 21st 2020
18
he's mentally ill & anyone shaping this as the veil dropping
Jul 21st 2020
22
i get that but hes repeatedly mocked/criticized kim
Jul 21st 2020
27
Yeah.. it’s not the first time a dude hasn’t liked his wife and her ...
Jul 21st 2020
30
He is in a manic state right now
Jul 21st 2020
58
I agree...
Jul 21st 2020
38
Yep. No one should be trying to explain or justify what he has said
Jul 21st 2020
41
Dude keeps chasing after a certain type of woman
Jul 21st 2020
24
especially when its the way she eats.
Jul 21st 2020
29
      and eats extremely well.
Jul 21st 2020
31
           sites like tmz are quoting their 'sources' (aka the kardashians)
Jul 21st 2020
37
                That line let everyone know they are talking to tmz
Jul 21st 2020
43
                     they always got that eye on the ball/bag lol.
Jul 21st 2020
46
                          Did he have episodes like this in the past?
Jul 21st 2020
49
Word.
Jul 21st 2020
32
damn i forgot about that quote.
Jul 21st 2020
47
Isn't he a born-again Christian now? n/m
Jul 21st 2020
90
Hollywood is weird af tho
Jul 21st 2020
20
      .
Jul 21st 2020
28
      The people who say that shit...
Jul 21st 2020
39
           True.. but you really think Kris Jenner is setting these kids up
Jul 21st 2020
48
                RE: True.. but you really think Kris Jenner is setting these kids up
Jul 21st 2020
56
The Kardashians are pariah yes, but Kanye is NOT WELL
Jul 21st 2020
25
      All this is in agreement with what I wrote above
Jul 21st 2020
52
GLC was on Van Lathan/Rachel Lindsey's podcast Higher Learning &:
Jul 21st 2020
21
That shit doesn’t even belong in local politics
Jul 21st 2020
23
GLC's politics which i'm sure helped shaped Kanye's politics yes...
Jul 21st 2020
26
real quick, who/what is GLC?
Jul 21st 2020
34
a rapper ye goes way way back w/
Jul 21st 2020
36
      damn
Jul 21st 2020
61
           Ahh, ok. I just never heard of the guy. Thought it was an acronym
Jul 21st 2020
64
           Ha! Yeah I was like "They don't know about GLC??"
Jul 21st 2020
65
sidenote: love their podcast. i'm happy everytime a new ep pops up.
Jul 21st 2020
55
      it's really good, glad to see Van doing big after TMZ
Jul 21st 2020
60
Oh, new album dropping Friday. Open and shut case Johnson.
Jul 21st 2020
33
He's not going full manic to promote an album.
Jul 21st 2020
35
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jul 21st 2020
42
yea, the ‘he must have an album coming out’ is such cringe
Jul 21st 2020
45
RE: yea, the ‘he must have an album coming out’ is such cringe
Jul 21st 2020
51
you're right, it is cringe.
Jul 21st 2020
75
I agree with you.
Jul 21st 2020
74
i think its all a product of the mania. not premeditated album promo.
Jul 21st 2020
44
The question I can't seem to figure out is...
Jul 21st 2020
76
      yeah it does seem to be worsening with each episode.
Jul 21st 2020
106
5.14.18 -Slavery was a choice... Album release 6.1.18
Jul 21st 2020
53
Legsdiamond with the Double Down, you were doing good too
Jul 21st 2020
62
      I’ll let y’all okp doctors speak on his mental health.
Jul 21st 2020
67
           denying his mental illness is you playing doctor as well
Jul 21st 2020
81
                I’ve already said he may not be well or isn’t taking his meds
Jul 21st 2020
84
I should maybe clarify my position a bit.
Jul 21st 2020
80
I don't think his obsession with Drake can be stressed enough
Jul 21st 2020
40
He knocked 50 cent off the top slot. Drake knocked him off.
Jul 21st 2020
72
A lot of yall really could stand to sit out of the mania conversation
Jul 21st 2020
50
peace, thanks for this context
Jul 21st 2020
54
yup...
Jul 21st 2020
63
      That shit is quasi-rational at best
Jul 21st 2020
78
           I hear you...
Jul 21st 2020
101
issues
Jul 21st 2020
57
One thing about this dude, he isnt a liar
Jul 21st 2020
66
That’s how marriages usually work...
Jul 21st 2020
69
no shit...I was merely pointing out the matter
Jul 21st 2020
70
How you don't know he wasn't lying? LOL.
Jul 21st 2020
79
      Seems like every summer or 2 we have a Kanye month
Jul 21st 2020
82
      RE: How you don't know he wasn't lying? LOL.
Jul 21st 2020
93
i agree with this:
Jul 21st 2020
68
If you look at North West
Jul 21st 2020
71
Negro married and procreated with a Kardashian, now he mad his kids
Jul 21st 2020
73
RE: Negro married and procreated with a Kardashian, now he mad his kids
Jul 21st 2020
86
      The idea that Kanye built the Kardashians is laughable.
Jul 21st 2020
92
      RE: The idea that Kanye built the Kardashians is laughable.
Jul 21st 2020
97
      Wait.. you think Kanye built the Kardashians?
Jul 21st 2020
94
           RE: Wait.. you think Kanye built the Kardashians?
Jul 21st 2020
99
                this is like the time an OKP called Brandy America’s sweetheart
Jul 21st 2020
103
                Nah.. lol
Jul 21st 2020
105
dont think the social media presence are official accounts though
Jul 21st 2020
77
      RE: dont think the social media presence are official accounts though
Jul 21st 2020
83
           no im specifically talkin about North West's social media accounts
Jul 21st 2020
88
RE: Kanye In Full Breakdown Mode. Going At The Kardashians.
Jul 21st 2020
85
lol @ people like "kanye just needs to..."
Jul 21st 2020
87
lol
Jul 21st 2020
89
Kanye will be broke in less than a decade.
Jul 21st 2020
95
      okay. You’re not well informed at all.
Jul 21st 2020
113
      he was just $50 mil in debt 3 years ago.
Jul 21st 2020
114
           Business 101
Jul 21st 2020
115
           thats just how rich people do
Jul 22nd 2020
140
      Man.. stop that shit.
Jul 22nd 2020
119
Dave Chapelle to the rescue!!!
Jul 21st 2020
91
Comedians love "Do something funny!"
Jul 21st 2020
96
I felt for Dave here lol
Jul 21st 2020
98
I just glad he went to him...
Jul 21st 2020
100
Dave so good on his feet...still made a joke, anyway
Jul 22nd 2020
133
Yeezy Brand is valued at 3 billion dollars ( not including Gap deal)
Jul 21st 2020
102
Yo, what if Kanye actually died in that car crash back in 02
Jul 21st 2020
104
say spoiler alert ding dong
Jul 21st 2020
108
That movie came out like 30 years ago
Jul 21st 2020
111
      I still aint seen it lol
Jul 21st 2020
112
Wait, so that would make us ALL actually dead right?? Damn I might
Jul 21st 2020
109
you vanilla sky ass....
Jul 22nd 2020
132
gd may not have gotten the message but uh
Jul 21st 2020
107
Maybe Kanye is just having a hard time dealing with balding.
Jul 21st 2020
110
*post*
Jul 22nd 2020
116
Those 'Waves' are about to 'Fade' and make his head a 'Ghost Town'
Jul 22nd 2020
134
damn did meek knock off kim?
Jul 22nd 2020
117
Bruh bout to lose custody
Jul 22nd 2020
118
Damn GLC was spot on re something personal event
Jul 22nd 2020
120
seems like some long term pent up shit thats been building
Jul 22nd 2020
124
      All good points.
Jul 22nd 2020
125
           yeah i dont put anything past these folks.
Jul 22nd 2020
126
If that’s the case, uggggh
Jul 22nd 2020
122
even if true, they'll continue going after him
Jul 22nd 2020
123
Another Trump, Kanye similarity is remember when Trump first started
Jul 22nd 2020
121
idk why but seeing him constantly throw his daughters name around
Jul 22nd 2020
127
Agreed. I wouldn't even be shocked if North grew up and was
Jul 22nd 2020
128
      just look at the rest of the family.
Jul 22nd 2020
129
           how then is his behavior disgusting to you?
Jul 22nd 2020
130
           99% of celebs get work done tho
Jul 22nd 2020
135
           plastic surgery isnt nearly this deep or stigmatized anymore
Jul 22nd 2020
137
Kim speaks:
Jul 22nd 2020
131
shes seems really ride or die for him
Jul 22nd 2020
136
People forget that celebrities are actual people.
Jul 22nd 2020
139
      RE: People forget that celebrities are actual people.
Jul 22nd 2020
159
salute kim
Jul 22nd 2020
138
I like that statement
Jul 22nd 2020
141
I've had this debate on twitter
Jul 22nd 2020
142
It's a good statement. The cynical take of course is...
Jul 22nd 2020
143
Good statement.
Jul 22nd 2020
144
I’m not a big fan of this.
Jul 22nd 2020
145
His dad is still alive.
Jul 22nd 2020
147
her culture talk about mental health, ours doesnt
Jul 22nd 2020
151
Armenian culture?
Jul 22nd 2020
160
      Lmao
Jul 22nd 2020
164
maybe but doing that also shuts down the conversation
Jul 23rd 2020
189
damn, no I love and support Kanye or we will get through this
Jul 22nd 2020
146
RE: damn, no I love and support Kanye or we will get through this
Jul 22nd 2020
149
      I think their marriage was the typical Kardashian biz contract
Jul 23rd 2020
176
Very Courtney Love-esque of her
Jul 22nd 2020
148
I find it odd that Adidas and Gap haven’t canceled his deals yet
Jul 22nd 2020
150
      Are you white?
Jul 22nd 2020
152
      you should submit your resume to become his PR person
Jul 22nd 2020
153
      Damn son you sound very very mad lmao
Jul 22nd 2020
154
      He’s not mad, he’s dumb af.
Jul 22nd 2020
157
           Dirk Nowitski SHUT IT DOWN LET"S GO HOME.mov
Jul 22nd 2020
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                RE: Dirk Nowitski SHUT IT DOWN LET"S GO HOME.mov
Jul 22nd 2020
165
                     No one's posts do numbers.
Jul 22nd 2020
170
      You completely missed the sarcasm on that line you idiot
Jul 22nd 2020
156
      My bad.
Jul 22nd 2020
161
           No problem.
Jul 22nd 2020
162
      bro wtf?
Jul 22nd 2020
168
      they need the attention he brings
Jul 22nd 2020
155
           I know..
Jul 22nd 2020
158
savvy of her not to address any of the specific accusations
Jul 22nd 2020
169
I think they are gonna get divorced soon:
Jul 22nd 2020
166
4 kids in 6 years?
Jul 23rd 2020
175
"A man that don't take care his family can't be rich"
Jul 22nd 2020
167
RE: "A man that don't take care his family can't be rich"
Jul 22nd 2020
171
      RE: "A man that don't take care his family can't be rich"
Jul 22nd 2020
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           RE: "A man that don't take care his family can't be rich"
Jul 22nd 2020
174
                It's easy to dislike him. Man thinks Slavery is a choice. Gathered a r...
Jul 23rd 2020
182
                     I used to tell people to ignore Kanye
Jul 23rd 2020
184
Good ,get my mans out of there.
Jul 22nd 2020
172
LoL
Jul 23rd 2020
177
fam you are outta your mind.
Jul 23rd 2020
178
RE: fam you are outta your mind.
Jul 23rd 2020
188
my dude said...
Jul 23rd 2020
190
Gotta admire all stash’s consistency
Jul 23rd 2020
179
It’s impressive.
Jul 23rd 2020
180
LMAO.
Jul 23rd 2020
186
Why
Jul 23rd 2020
181
he can be wrong about ANYTHING
Jul 23rd 2020
191
Yeah, dude needs to GET OUT as quickly as he can. But...
Jul 23rd 2020
183
Pretty sure they have enough tape already on Kanye
Jul 23rd 2020
185
And just like that!...Don C and John Monoply flew out to see him
Jul 23rd 2020
187
Dave...from 12 years ago...
Jul 23rd 2020
192
This seems SO long ago now
Jul 23rd 2020
193
We Don't Need a New Kanye West Album Right Now (swipe)
Jul 30th 2020
194

Latina212
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1. "This is like watching a car accident in real time"
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And doing absolutely nothing to stop it

  

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Reeq
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4. "i wouldnt even be mad if we get mutually assured destruction lol."
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if he takes down the kardashians and they take him down in response.

tho its more likely he would trash them and they would just divorce him and say he was crazy and abusive (with evidence you know they been collecting since day 1). and they would easily win out in terms of public opinion.

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Latina212
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6. "100% they have video of all of his outbursts "
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Unfortunately, the kardashians aren’t going anywhere
This shit adds like two more seasons to their show
Showing Kim dealing with the fallout

I just wish his old friends would rally around him and try to talk some sense into him
But who know if they have done that...several times already

  

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Reeq
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11. "i wonder what it would take for the kardashians to fall off."
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for people to just find them stale and boring.

i see a lot of people who arent even really into the reality tv aspect of them but are into the family/kids content. their kids even got fan pages.

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59. "Age.. that’s it. Once they age out it’s a wrap "
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but that’s a long time from now

and they got more kids on deck which is why Kanye typing this wild shit.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Reeq
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2. "he deleted 2 tweets of him googling halle berry and j law."
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https://twitter.com/rxan___/status/1285405090178686976

nobody knows what they mean.

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Reeq
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7. "he also deleted 2 of these tweets including one mentioning drake."
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https://twitter.com/KrisReports/status/1285396337018707972

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Reeq
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8. "and this one about kim selling norths 'sex rape' (sic?)"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Edav-y6X0AItOWn?format=jpg&name=large

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15. "they had to be a typo right?"
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rape = tape

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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Reeq
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19. "i assume."
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3. "He ain’t hacked. He might use that excuse though. "
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Reeq
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9. "the bill cosby shit checks out."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdawmsXWsAA7gRg?format=jpg&name=900x900

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5. "*facepalm*"
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10. "he needs to be 5150'd"
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Reeq
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12. "he deleted everything now. "
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13. "I really really hope he's hacked. For his and his fam's sake"
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14. "They are all deleted and what’s left? Album promo shit"
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He may be crazy but he’s also getting a ton of traffic.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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16. "Nah. Kanye is actually spitting real shit now."
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Brainwashing wearing off.

Dude can see that the K-Klan is toxic and is trying to control him. Of course they are gonna paint him as crazy. Ain't nothing crazy about this tho: https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1285401653454069761/photo/1

Dude is starting to realize that some people around him DON'T have his best interests at heart. Also, I don't think he trusts Kim anymore.


They gonna do anything they can to get him back into that hospital for another brainwashing session. Wonder what hair color & eye contacts they gonna give him this time?

  

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17. "It is super creepy to be even thinking about your kids in the context"
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Tue Jul-21-20 08:47 AM by lightworks

          

of Playboy, and to include a photo of them while talking about it.

Kim was an adult when she decided to do Playboy, so to compare your currently still children children to an adult making a decision regarding being naked in a magazine is gross.

I get it’s a shot at Kris but nah still weird.

  

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Reeq
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18. "dude gets no props for slut shaming his wife."
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hes basically saying he doesnt want his daughter to grow up to be like her.

he even made a reference to kris supposedly encouraging kim to sell the ray j sextape...and saying he will never allow that with north.

thats disgusting to involve your daughter in any sexual conversation and talk about her mother like that. in front of the whole world. shes gonna have to grow up and see that.

but its a clear window into how kanye really views kim.

but i mean...if thats what you think about her then why did you marry her?

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22. "he's mentally ill & anyone shaping this as the veil dropping"
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doesn't know or has anyone in their life with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder

that's why he's marbling all these different theories and life events into each other

he's not well right now

trying to analyze any of this with critical thinking has to be seen through that lense

he is really not well

it's not an excuse for his misogyny and slut-shaming

he did the same thing to amber rose btw

but he is seriously not well

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Reeq
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27. "i get that but hes repeatedly mocked/criticized kim"
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for the sex tape, the way she dresses, etc.

im not a psychologist obviously but he didnt seem to be in a manic state every time hes done this.

it seems like something thats been floating around in his head for a while.

and like you said...this isnt the 1st partner hes done this to.

iono mayne. i think dude views his wife and her mom the way most men view them. he just hasnt said it out loud.

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30. "Yeah.. it’s not the first time a dude hasn’t liked his wife and her ..."
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So I’m not going to act like this is super deep.

Could be due to them not supporting his presidential run or maybe he’s watched that RayJ tape one too many times.

Ionno, I think when you marry into that family you think you can handle it but these women are on another level. They prolly laughing at how long it took him to finally become a Billionaire.

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58. "He is in a manic state right now"
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And I’m a psychologist

>for the sex tape, the way she dresses, etc.
>
>im not a psychologist obviously but he didnt seem to be in a
>manic state every time hes done this.
>
>it seems like something thats been floating around in his head
>for a while.
>
>and like you said...this isnt the 1st partner hes done this
>to.
>
>iono mayne. i think dude views his wife and her mom the way
>most men view them. he just hasnt said it out loud.

  

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38. "I agree..."
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41. "Yep. No one should be trying to explain or justify what he has said"
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He is mentally ill
And although the consequences of his words
Will live on
They are not coming from a sane rational human being
The conversation should begin and end with Ye
Having a manic episode

  

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24. "Dude keeps chasing after a certain type of woman"
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It’s the typical dude who meets his SO while she is a stripper.

Don’t do it if you can’t handle her past.. especially when it was sold online by her momma.

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29. "especially when its the way she eats."
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31. "and eats extremely well. "
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They have this shit down to a science. He’s probably struggling to keep up with their grind.

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37. "sites like tmz are quoting their 'sources' (aka the kardashians)"
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saying kim and kayne keep *everything* separate so kim aint worried about this shit impacting *her* brand lol. so you know they had shit sewn up since day 1. they aint ever getting caught lackin lol.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/20/kanyes-campaign-appearance-seriously-upset-kardashian-family/
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BTW ... we're told there's not much concern that Kanye's comments will adversely affect Kim's businesses. We're told their money is separate and her and Kanye's brands are distinguishable.
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43. "That line let everyone know they are talking to tmz"
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Wtf would be concerned about business when he is losing it
In South Carolina?
Kris jenner

  

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46. "they always got that eye on the ball/bag lol."
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keeping the main thing the main thing at all times.

wouldnt even be surprised if they got some sanity or brand damage clause in a prenup that entitles kim to some of kanyes money in the event of him melting down lol.

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49. "Did he have episodes like this in the past?"
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I know he did after the robbery in Paris
But I can’t recall him behaving this way before they were married
Had she seen this side of him before that
She would have never married him
His instability is a huge liability

Before he was just a creative no one understood

It will be nearly impossible to bring down the kardashians
They have invested into so many different streams of income
And with kids/family stuff there will always be an interest
They are one of the few families that puts it all out there
Even though it’s PR crafted
That’s how they got put on
By bringing cameras into their lives

  

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32. "Word. "
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You remind me of when Kanye said that Kim said that he had to take 40 showers to date her after he dated Amber Rose.

It's like dude why are you saying these things after you got with someone without a problem and now you want to publicly be a dick to them.

Same thing here and so fucked up.

  

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47. "damn i forgot about that quote."
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90. "Isn't he a born-again Christian now? n/m"
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...

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Let a king relax - Kola Boof

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20. "Hollywood is weird af tho"
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My boy is in LA in the music industry and I witnessed a woman say “can’t wait for you to meet my kid, she’s 7.. I just want to give her to you so you can make her a star”

I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if Kris is already planning their future and saying wild shit about how much money they can generate off these grandbabies.

he chose this shit tho.. all the women in the world and he chose Kim. Smh..


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28. "."
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Tue Jul-21-20 09:24 AM by Reeq

  

          

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39. "The people who say that shit..."
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Are not named Kris Jenner..

None of the grand-babies have to work a day in their life..

Stage moms who say that shit are still “trying” to make it and/or live through their kids. I’ve seen it in LA and I’ve seen that shit in NY/NJ, Florida etc...

The only knock on LA is the proximity to fame and money. It all to easily can feel like you are “right there” and reap the benefits but if you haven’t actually done the real work the shit will never be yours and you might still fail. Can be a tough place to be.


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48. "True.. but you really think Kris Jenner is setting these kids up "
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ton it work under their umbrella?

I doubt it.

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56. "RE: True.. but you really think Kris Jenner is setting these kids up "
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Both these kids parents are individually Billionaires now..

Look at the evolution of previous generation.. from Kourtney to kylie..

Kourtney was oldest... had a cool little business but was really on her moms plan.. marry rich..

Kim came through and changed the paradigm for the whole family.. She saw what Paris was doing (simple life) and Her brother Brody (on The Hills) and built the world centered around the TV Show and upsold everything else..

The youngest Kylie is a hundred millionaire well before 25 because of all the runway given to by previous iterations.. she was gonna be good regardless but she ran with the ball having grown up in the public eye. She still utilizes her physicality but she is not operating any differently than her current generation whereas Kim was an outlier.

There is no reason to think the new generation will be any different.. they are extremely good but some of them may go on to innovate on the design..

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25. "The Kardashians are pariah yes, but Kanye is NOT WELL"
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and trying to color any of this as a reveal is disingenuous

they are simply white wealthy people who are interested in continuing to be rich, white and wealthy by any means necessary

which is why anyone who is struggling with anything real falls to the way side

odom, rob, kanye etc.

a simpleton can see that the kardashians are pariah, if you think Kanye having a manic episode reveals some great truth, or that the blinders are finally of you're not too smart.

he bought into the capitalist vampire lifestyle until he no longer benefitted from it

he thought they'd protect him, but that's not how it works

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52. "All this is in agreement with what I wrote above"
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>and trying to color any of this as a reveal is disingenuous
>
>they are simply white wealthy people who are interested in
>continuing to be rich, white and wealthy by any means
>necessary
>
>which is why anyone who is struggling with anything real falls
>to the way side
>
>odom, rob, kanye etc.
>
>a simpleton can see that the kardashians are pariah, if you
>think Kanye having a manic episode reveals some great truth,
>or that the blinders are finally of you're not too smart.
>
>he bought into the capitalist vampire lifestyle until he no
>longer benefitted from it
>
>he thought they'd protect him, but that's not how it works


Is it really too hard to believe that the man realizes that he fucked-up sometime ago, and is lashing out because he's really scared and doesn't know how to get himself out of this situation?

They threw him in the 'hospital' before and he came out all fucked up. Now they (his 'family') are trying to do it again. He probably sees another 'hospitalization' or worse coming for him.

  

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21. "GLC was on Van Lathan/Rachel Lindsey's podcast Higher Learning &:"
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some main points:

1. GLC has seen Kanye having a manic episode before by the way he's forming his words, and the look in his eyes

2. he can't speak on who's around Kanye or the Kardashians because he doesn't know them well

3. GLC got Kanye to stop wearing the MAGA hats

4. he gave Kanye a list of demands to give to Trump and Kanye went off script

5. the Harriet Tubman theme was not a complete thought and should have been put in context

6. it alarmed him when Kanye talked about his wife and divorce and believes Kanye has been triggered by some recent personal event that stirred up things Kanye hasn't dealt with fully.

my opinion is, GLC is the only person Kanye trusts that actually cares for Kanye in a real way

these niggas is bouncing around hood knowledge and trying to put it up on a national platform when it should stay in the barbershops or on local politics

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23. "That shit doesn’t even belong in local politics"
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Hell, he prolly get hands thrown on him I’m some barbershops for his recent views.

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26. "GLC's politics which i'm sure helped shaped Kanye's politics yes..."
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GLC actually has some good views on healthcare, community enrichment, gang/legit political and economic initiatives

Kanye takes the views of anyone who appears more informed or smarter around him & bastardizes it through his unwell mental health lense

and it gets marbled

GLC broke down what the whole Harriet Tubman thing was about and Van Lathan prior demolishes what Kanye was attempting to say

the episode breaks down simply what everyone should understand

Ye is having a really bad episode and needs help immediately

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34. "real quick, who/what is GLC? "
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36. "a rapper ye goes way way back w/"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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61. "damn"
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nigga helped write and was on some of Ye's grammy winners

and here ya'll go...

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64. "Ahh, ok. I just never heard of the guy. Thought it was an acronym"
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65. "Ha! Yeah I was like "They don't know about GLC??""
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>nigga helped write and was on some of Ye's grammy winners
>
>and here ya'll go...

Fuck GLC though lol when I met Kanye back when I was 19 he invited me to his afterparty at House of Blues and I was like "I can't go, I'm 19" and he was like "Just flash the bouncer you will be good!"

And I remember GLC sitting behind us and he was laughing his head off.

I remember thinking "NIGGA IT WASN'T THAT FUNNY"

Lol.

  

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55. "sidenote: love their podcast. i'm happy everytime a new ep pops up."
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STAND OUT HAND OUTS: http://basquiatwhenipaint.tumblr.com

TWEET ME: @PROMO206

  

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60. "it's really good, glad to see Van doing big after TMZ"
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he deserves all the things Charlamagne has

not brotherly of me to pit one on the other, but Van seems like such a better person

and he's way smarter than Charla

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33. "Oh, new album dropping Friday. Open and shut case Johnson. "
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35. "He's not going full manic to promote an album. "
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He doesn't need PR that badly that he needs to damage his public reputation even more just to sell a few records.

Anyone who thinks this is about kicking up controversy to sell some records is 100% wrong.

This is someone spiraling out of control because he is not taking right steps (medicine, treatment, etc) to deal with their bipolar disorder.

  

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42. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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45. "yea, the ‘he must have an album coming out’ is such cringe"
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its so dismissive and ignorant
but you know how our culture is with the topic of mental health

a medical professional once told me Kanyes mother was the one that could identify and tell him to take X or Y pill because of how he was currently acting. well, Kim aint doing that.

  

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51. "RE: yea, the ‘he must have an album coming out’ is such cringe"
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"a medical professional once told me Kanyes mother was the one that could identify and tell him to take X or Y pill because of how he was currently acting. well, Kim aint doing that." <<< That Part

  

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75. "you're right, it is cringe. "
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as a twice a week therapist person, I'm an advocate for help. I can't explain my post. It's bad.

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74. "I agree with you. "
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44. "i think its all a product of the mania. not premeditated album promo."
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i talked about it here.
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13392026&mesg_id=13392026&page=#13392443

i think he has this rush of megalomania and creative inspiration that makes him put together an album in a week or two, start building homeless space bubbles, run for president, coordinate designs for his clothing line, re-engage twitter, etc all around the same time.

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76. "The question I can't seem to figure out is..."
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can bipolar disorder get worse with age?

has he always been bipolar?

Looking back, he's always been the same guy, there seems to be a natural curve or progression to all of this.

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106. "yeah it does seem to be worsening with each episode."
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i dont know if thats a byproduct of the disorder...

...or the behavior being constantly encouraged and reinforced by everyone watching and being entertained by it.

he generates more attention/discussion from the controversy than the actual music nowadays. so he has to keep one upping himself and doing something more abnormal and audacious in order to get that same high.

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53. "5.14.18 -Slavery was a choice... Album release 6.1.18"
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Kanye announces he is running for President on July 4, 2020... Album release - July 24, 2020

Coincidence? I think not

It’s definitely tied to his projects dropping. Maybe it’s because he goes off his meds to finish the albums but these episodes always tend to happen right before the project drops.

It’s cheap exposure but it works every time. They were talking about it on the radio on my way to work this morning.

Free/cheap publicity.




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62. "Legsdiamond with the Double Down, you were doing good too"
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67. "I’ll let y’all okp doctors speak on his mental health. "
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81. "denying his mental illness is you playing doctor as well"
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84. "I’ve already said he may not be well or isn’t taking his meds"
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I also think the timing of this always coincides with his album releases which leaves me skeptical.

I’m just not willing to blame all his shit on mental health issues because I think he’s always been a pretty shallow person who has chased fame for half his life.



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80. "I should maybe clarify my position a bit."
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Kanye is in a really fucking sad place right now. I suffer from mental health issues. I medicate, meditate and mediate daily. I get it, I don't like the stigma in US culture, I don't like it in the black community. That prevented me from being honest with myself and getting on the task of fixing my unhappiness.

My suggestion is not that his outlandish behavior is done to bring attention to an album. I'm suggesting that his outlandish behavior signifies an album coming.

When I saw the tweet about the album I thought "...sounds about right" and went about my business.

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40. "I don't think his obsession with Drake can be stressed enough"
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He mentions that dude everytime he goes on a rant. And its always a non-sequitur.

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72. "He knocked 50 cent off the top slot. Drake knocked him off. "
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50. "A lot of yall really could stand to sit out of the mania conversation"
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All of the conclusions yall are coming to after "he's likely having a manic episode" shows a real lack of understanding of how fucked up mania really is.

I had 2 manic episodes way back. And even with REGULAR therapy and medicine that shaped literally everything I thought for 2-3 years. Then I had to spend another 2-3 years trying to get my memories back from how the mania recontextualized things.

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54. "peace, thanks for this context"
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blessing man

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63. "yup..."
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people truly don’t understand mental illness. watching folks (including celebrities) talk shit about him is disappointing.

  

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78. "That shit is quasi-rational at best "
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To this day I’m good but on occasions I’ll see some triggering shit and have to talk myself away from a rabbit hole, not even out of it.
Like my brain will go somewhere and I’ll think “that sounds like some crazy person shit, how much sleep did you get last night”
I can’t imagine how bad things would be if not only had I not put in the work, but that I also demonstrated that I could ride that tiger to attention and wealth.

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101. "I hear you..."
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57. "issues"
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like many of us plus, he knew what he was getting into. not sure that
i have much sympathy.

  

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66. "One thing about this dude, he isnt a liar"
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His last big outburst on sway were all facts, regarding being marginalized by Nike and the fashion world would not allowing him to prosper beyond the ceiling. He didn't know how to deal with it.


Same thing here, another outburst, but this time it is with his family...So there has to be some truth to it. Maybe he does not want his daughter to get pimped out.

And if he dies, Kim gets all that shit.....His name, estate, etc.....


  

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69. "That’s how marriages usually work... "
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They prolly got a prenup but that’s why you shouldn’t marry someone who you think might pimp out your kids.

If they got a divorce who do you think gets custody?

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70. "no shit...I was merely pointing out the matter "
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smh

  

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79. "How you don't know he wasn't lying? LOL. "
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Yall look crazy trying to make the crazy not look crazy.







>His last big outburst on sway were all facts, regarding being
>marginalized by Nike and the fashion world would not allowing
>him to prosper beyond the ceiling. He didn't know how to deal
>with it.
>
>
>Same thing here, another outburst, but this time it is with
>his family...So there has to be some truth to it. Maybe he
>does not want his daughter to get pimped out.
>
>And if he dies, Kim gets all that shit.....His name, estate,
>etc.....
>
>
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82. "Seems like every summer or 2 we have a Kanye month"
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Week 1. Fuck Kanye

Week 2: He’s sick y’all

Week 3: They need to help Kanye

Week 4: (listens to album) Man, Fuck Kanye






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93. "RE: How you don't know he wasn't lying? LOL. "
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The outburst with Nike and what he was going through and where he wanted to go with it. Look at where he is now with it.

The emotional episodes and constant talk that he was going to be big and make it as a great hip hop artist, constantly talking to people about it, while they ignored him, etc.

The emotional outburst regarding Taylor Swift not deserving the award over Beyoncé ...crazy, but was he lying?

I just think he is a guy who does not know how to form he thoughts correctly or express himself correctly. Like the Harriet T. statement, he just shouted it out, and people took it as him saying Harriet didn’t actually do it. What he was trying to say was that the slaves were not really freed, they just went from being on the plantation to another form of forced or bias labor in the sense of the prison system and working in industrialism for pennies on the dollar, still being lynched, Jim Crow laws, etc. ...thus, his statement of”going from one group of white people to another group of white people”.

He just lacks the ability to thoroughly speak on his topics, and he just goes off on a rant or tantrum.

You can’t really say he is liar. So I do think there is some truth regarding his wife and kids and the Kardashian’s family.

It’s kind of like Micheal Jackson. He had a innocent child perception of things, so that is the way he expressed himself : hanging out with kids, never never land, all the Peter Pan and Mickey mouse shit, coming to court in his PJs. All that shit was used against him later in life, and Mike was projected a psycho, a weirdo, etc. All because of his mental makeup and how he was raised.

We are seeing similar things with Kanye. And just like Michael. He has strange people foreign people , and business people around him.

  

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68. "i agree with this:"
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https://twitter.com/Imani_Barbarin/status/1285017570614087682

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@Imani_Barbarin

1. Kanye has mental illnesses

2. Kanye is anti-black and misogynistic

3. Kanye’s anti blackness and misogyny is not a result of his mental illness.

4. Correlating those things is dangerous to people with mental illness.

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71. "If you look at North West"
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She has an instagram page, tic toc, twitter, facebook stuff. There are a lot of entertainers, who will not let people take photos of their kids, but the exposure of this little girl is highly questionable....

But that's with all the Kardashians, so you know where it is headed. She is going to be the next generation, as well as Kourt's daughter.


With the Kardashians legal clout and ability, Kanye is in a really bad, bad situation as far as his kids go.

I will never forget that family interview they had, and Kim was talking about being on the phone with her mother and friends regarding plans for the kids, and Kanye yelled out..." I want to be on the conference call, too.' ...with great seriousness.

Out all those Kids, North West is a hot commodity....sad as fuck. This is why I think Kanye is so dead set on her as a subject.


  

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73. "Negro married and procreated with a Kardashian, now he mad his kids"
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are Kardashians.

I got to say, as much as I hate the Kardashians and everything they stand for, I can't blame them at all for Kanye's turn. In fact, I believe the idea that Kim has been trying to mitigate his pro-Trump stances.

This has always been Kanye's natural course, Kim or no Kim.


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86. "RE: Negro married and procreated with a Kardashian, now he mad his kids"
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The difference is he has a chemical imbalance mentally, so the realization may not have been there, or it comes differently for him.


He practically built the kardashians as we know them now, being seen as trendsetters, being a listers in the high fashion world, Kendell getting the big modeling opportunities and changing Kim's entire look.

So from a creative aspect, he has a lot on control and ability, but from
personality stand point, I think he is highly impressionable and is at a loss.


He needs a handler, like his mother, etc.


  

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92. "The idea that Kanye built the Kardashians is laughable. "
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If anything, they gave him some extra mileage.


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97. "RE: The idea that Kanye built the Kardashians is laughable. "
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Before Kanye, they were reality show celebrities. They were not invited in the high fashion world. Kim wasn't getting vogue opportunities, or meeting with Anne Wintour.

They were cheesy reality stars. Reggie Bush cleaned up Kim's image after that ray j stuff, and Kanye changed her style to be less cheesy and more fashion and refined.....Kim was on that being the special guess at clubs to boost up sales, drinks, etc....She was making a lot of her money from being a socialite and reality shows, and all that crazy shit that family was going through with Bruce Jenner, etc. They were not high society at all.

Kanye opened the door for the kardashians into the A lister world of fashion, hip hop, etc. Kim wasn't WORLDWIDE. Kanye made that happen.

Kendall Jenner is a shit ass model, and is not respected in the model world. Because a lot of models feel that she gets her runway opps, etc, because of Kanye's connections, and the fact that she never had to work hard to get her opps like they did, and her disrespect towards them.

Kanye was already big in fashion, music, and entertainment in general.

Hell there are several articles on it. ...This isn't anything new

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/kanye-west-completely-changed-the-kardashian-jenner-family-according-to-fans.html/

Harper or Kanye changed kim in to a high fashion trendsetter!

https://www.harpersbazaar.com.au/fashion/kim-kardashians-post-kanye-style-evolution-9229


Without Kanye, that family would have continued to be a cheesy ass fashion line, reality tv, socialite family. Yeah, they had money before Kanye,but they didn't have A class celebrity. People in Europe didn't care about the focking kardashians, no matter who it was...

GO LOOK AT THAT FAMILIES STYLE PRE-KANYE

  

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94. "Wait.. you think Kanye built the Kardashians? "
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99. "RE: Wait.. you think Kanye built the Kardashians? "
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Kim is the Kardashians ...no one gives fock about the rest of them.


Kanye turned Kim into a REAL global brand, by having her ditch marketing and publishing of her family.


2) DITCHING THE FAMILY PUBLICIST

Back in September, again acting on West's advice, Kim fired her longtime publicist, Jill Fritzo, and signed on with Slate PR co-founder Ina Treciokas. West reportedly advised Kim to break away from the family fame machine (that she's basically fueled, no offense Khloe/Kourtney/Kris) to focus on creating her own team. We'd be sad about the end of the era, but based on the nature of recent Kardashian press, maybe it is time to move on.

So with the image and style change, he changed her business foundation.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/7980-5-ways-kanye-west-changed-kim-kardashian

come on dude.


I wouldn't be surprised if all this shit is over creative control of HIS FAMILY from Kris.

  

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103. "this is like the time an OKP called Brandy America’s sweetheart"
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like how are you real live posting from an alternate universe?

  

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105. "Nah.. lol"
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77. "dont think the social media presence are official accounts though"
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83. "RE: dont think the social media presence are official accounts though"
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Are you saying other people are posting for him, or that you don't view them in the same way that you view his actual interviews.

  

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88. "no im specifically talkin about North West's social media accounts"
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i saw IG pages for her but they dont seem to be official accounts, more like pages started by fans

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85. "RE: Kanye In Full Breakdown Mode. Going At The Kardashians."
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>https://twitter.com/kanyewest
>
>maybe hes hacked but could anyone really tell the difference?

I wish Kanye would lay low, work on himself, figure out his family thing, and work on his businesses and passion projects if there's any time left after that. And lawd please: stay away from the horrible attention he creates for himself with these public whatevers.

I try to ignore him but I also worry that I'm gonna look up and regret how he dies..kinda like the way I see MJ and Prince's deaths. MJ was kinda out of the mix. Prince at least had some recent songs and the Chappelle skit but still, it wasn't right. I just don't know.

Musically, I can watch the Through the Wire video right now and still smile because he wanted it so bad and I wanted him to 'make it' almost as bad. Then Slow Jams hit me like a ton of bricks too. And all of those badass songs he made for like a decade..he had a run. And College Dropout might be the Street Fighter 3 Parry moment of my adult life musically. But now? I don't know if he will ever have the energy around him to complete a great thought again. He has obviously been a big benefactor of environments and he's never been 'talented' enough to survive without it. Sometimes, zigging against a zag by itself isn't enough to get to the right place musically. To me, he got over with that (regular guy rap vs super pimp gangster mack mob rich characters in the early 2000s) and now he can't stop going back to that well.

  

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87. "lol @ people like "kanye just needs to...""
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kanye doesn't need to do shit. he can literally ride off into the sunset and not give a fuck about anything.

that motherfucker is worth 1.3 billion fuckin AMERICAN DOLLARS.

all this shit is about his new album anyways.

  

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89. "lol"
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n/m

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95. "Kanye will be broke in less than a decade. "
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You heard it here first.


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113. "okay. You’re not well informed at all."
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Do you understand how much he actually owns and is worth?

He will get checks for the rest of his life off his masters of His music company good music....and the masters of his artists on good music. And all other royalties from stuff that he wrote, produced and arranged throughout the music industry. Good music is valued at 100 million. Him and Jay are the only artist billionaires in hip hop.

His Yeezy brand is valued at 3 billion, with an insane royalty and creative control deal with the gap and adidas

And his real estate properties, livestock, etc and then there are financial instruments that he owns, such as stock in apple, Tesla, and Nike

This isn’t just some entertainer worth a couple of mil

He owns shit and shit of others.....This man definitely has some generational wealth and will not be broke in this lifetime. He is not a dumb jock or artist.

I know you dislike him...but let’s not say stupid shit.

  

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114. "he was just $50 mil in debt 3 years ago."
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hes still signed to def jam under a typical vanity imprint deal. he was bitching about royalties/money from them not too long ago.

he was bitching about a reported $3 mil owed to him from tidal. so apparently his paperwork game wasnt solid there either.

hes not the financial wizard you think he is.

hes not a billionaire in terms of liquidity. his net worth overwhelmingly comes from the estimated value of his stake in yeezy/adidas. thats what really took off for him.

if the yeezy sales ever go south due his antics...and the gap deal underperforms or prematurely falls apart...then yes...he could go broke. especially if hes self funding lavish fruitless ventures/investments like yeezy homeless space domes.

not saying its likely...but its not outside the realm of possibility.



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115. "Business 101"
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All business people say they are in debt so they don’t have to spend their money. It’s no different than trump’s business’ filing for bankruptcy.

They don’t have businesses in their name. Those business are incorporated, so if YEEZY the brand were to go bankrupt or file for bankruptcy, it wouldn’t be Kanye himself going bankrupt. Same thing goes for Good Music

Forbes list all of his assets, properties ,real estate, businesses, etc....the dude can eat forever on his music royalties alone. Songwriter royalties, producer royalties ,mechanical royalties, etc.

Kanye West is a global billion dollar BRAND... he is eating forever as well as his kids.

Adidas
Gap
Good Music
Real Estate Company
Stock Investments.
Donda
3 percent tidal stake


Future companies.:

Yeezy Homes ( first home already constructed)
Yeezy automobiles ( collaboration with Tesla)!

Please research, all of you. That would be nice.



  

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140. "thats just how rich people do"
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never listen to debt numbers.

its the whole reason credit scores are "important". how much money can you be in debt?

  

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119. "Man.. stop that shit. "
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That’s some white people shit.

“He’ll be broke in 10 years”

No.. he won’t. He’s a different type of rich.

Edit: he will rally tweet that he’s broke 10 years from now.. right before an album release. But dude ain’t going broke.. maybe rich people broke like 50 Cent to protect his money from a lawsuit but he will still be rich.



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91. "Dave Chapelle to the rescue!!!"
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https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1285627821424087040?s=20

awkward....

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96. "Comedians love "Do something funny!""
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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98. "I felt for Dave here lol"
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That was awkward as hell

  

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100. "I just glad he went to him..."
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Dave know...

Kanye always been openly passionate so I imagine the photo op was Kanye’s idea...





  

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133. "Dave so good on his feet...still made a joke, anyway"
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...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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102. "Yeezy Brand is valued at 3 billion dollars ( not including Gap deal)"
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Yeezy Brand makes up 1.3 billion dollars of West's fortune.

Good Music is valued at 100 million.

West owns 21 million in real estate.
3.8 million car collection.
297,000 in live stock.

In 2019, he was the highest paid person in Hip Hop
Jay Z was the second highest
Drake was the third highest


https://www.businessinsider.com/kanye-west-net-worth-yeezy-spending-real-estate-photos.


Kim has a Value of 900 million dollars, with KKW being worth 1 billions after selling 20 percent of her company. Forbes also disputes the billion dollar fortune claim...I can only go off reports.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2020/06/29/kim-kardashian-is-selling-a-stake-in-her-cosmetics-firm-to-coty-for-200-million/#1e1e7a651500


So collectively, as a family, they have n estimated net worth of 4-5 billion dollars.


With his ability to broker deals, get the right publicists,managers, agents, lawyers, etc, I just hope he is well protected. He seems to always have that going for him, because no matter what emotional shit is going own, that dude stays building his brand. ...I just don't want to see another michael jackson situation...

I will stay rooting for this guy, and just hope there is someone or family in his corner to keep him emotional protected.


  

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104. "Yo, what if Kanye actually died in that car crash back in 02"
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and the last 18 years have just been his imagination while dying?

Like Jacobs's Ladder!

Yes I AM intoxicated, but that still makes about as much sense as anything else in explaining how we got HERE in 2020 (and I'm not just talking about Kanye)

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108. "say spoiler alert ding dong"
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>and the last 18 years have just been his imagination while
>dying?
>
>Like Jacobs's Ladder!
>
>Yes I AM intoxicated, but that still makes about as much sense
>as anything else in explaining how we got HERE in 2020 (and
>I'm not just talking about Kanye)

  

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111. "That movie came out like 30 years ago"
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The statue of limitations aren't up yet!?!?

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112. "I still aint seen it lol"
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>The statue of limitations aren't up yet!?!?

  

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109. "Wait, so that would make us ALL actually dead right?? Damn I might"
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Be high too....


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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132. "you vanilla sky ass...."
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107. "gd may not have gotten the message but uh"
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there's no point in responding to allstah

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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110. "Maybe Kanye is just having a hard time dealing with balding. "
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116. "*post*"
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134. "Those 'Waves' are about to 'Fade' and make his head a 'Ghost Town'"
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117. "damn did meek knock off kim?"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Edg5xH7VAAAEoV4?format=jpg&name=large

more deleted tweets:
https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1285841213128470528

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118. "Bruh bout to lose custody"
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120. "Damn GLC was spot on re something personal event "
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happening that he hasn’t dealt with.

That was it sounds like.

  

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124. "seems like some long term pent up shit thats been building"
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more than some acute instance of something happening (i dont know if thats what glc meant). and hes just getting it off his chest.

dude is going *hard* at kim and kriss tho. thats a pretty significant escalation from his past episodes. its interesting because it feels crazy...but hes basically reaffirming what most people have already been saying about that family.

kim possibly cheating on him with meek or attempting to (and maybe more men) is a new wrinkle tho.

oddly enough...i found this gossip site article from a few months ago.
https://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00152303.html

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125. "All good points."
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I hate to admit it but once he started adding Kris in the mix I did think “Hmmm. Now THIS might be for the new season of the KUWTK show since it isn’t as popular as it once was”.

That North abortion stuff for sure isn’t part of that but all this Calmye/fuck Kris/Kim is cheating on me stuff? Maybe?

What do you think?

  

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126. "yeah i dont put anything past these folks."
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i was one of those folks that thought that robbery was possibly fake until a crew with a history of heists got arrested.

i dont know if any of this is planned or staged...but i know they aint leaving any of it out of the show lol.

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122. "If that’s the case, uggggh"
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Bet Ye & Will got the support group chat poppin

  

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123. "even if true, they'll continue going after him"
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personally hoping she gets raked overthe coals

but i know better

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121. "Another Trump, Kanye similarity is remember when Trump first started"
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talk about running for President and people were like "f*ck that guy, he is a dummy and ain't sh*t", and so many people were like, "he must be smart and doing something right because he is a billionaire"?

You see that "Kanye is rich" is a large part of a lot of people's defense of the nonsense he is talking.


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127. "idk why but seeing him constantly throw his daughters name around"
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to advance whatever point hes pushing is so fucking disgusting to me fam.

its really bugging me. especially when i see pictures of this innocent lil girl smiling just enjoying her life.

im just thinking about if that was one of my nieces and her father was acting like that.

youre supposed to be protecting that child and keeping her out of the headlines and disassociated from dysfunctional shit like this. using her as your pro-life mascot and to slut shame your wife is borderline evil imo.

i know dude aint in his right frame of mind right now but this shit is making me wish the worst for him.

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128. "Agreed. I wouldn't even be shocked if North grew up and was "
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one of these tragic Hollywood stories (like Elvis' grandson).

Not that I wish that on her but jesus with parents like she has and a Grandma who is always thinking about her next business deal it is almost a forgone conclusion that you are gonna have a tough time as an adult.

Hopefully she surprises us all and becomes a doctor lol.

  

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129. "just look at the rest of the family."
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the entire clan getting dramatic face/body altering surgeries to basically hide how they really look shows some deep dark problems.

i think even the grandmom mj or whatever got work done on her grill.

most healthy families are proud of their signature features. they even joke about which elders/ancestors they got their nose, forehead, eye color, etc from.

the fact that your *whole* family wakes up and essentially tries their best not to look like members of your family says a lot.

imagine a kid being raised in an environment with those type of deep seeded identity issues. how do you even love yourself or what you came from?

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130. "how then is his behavior disgusting to you? "
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it would make any father act out of character
especially if you don’t have any control of it...

  

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135. "99% of celebs get work done tho"
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Beyoncé has prolly had work done too.

Not as dramatic but the pressure to look perfect is insane when it comes to celebs.

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137. "plastic surgery isnt nearly this deep or stigmatized anymore"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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131. "Kim speaks:"
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https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/22/kim-kardashian-west-defends-kanye-bipolar-twitter-rant-campaign-rally/

  

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136. "shes seems really ride or die for him"
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might be really really good media training

but it does seem like she has his back and has had his back.

I would love to know what their boring ass pillow talk sounds like

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139. "People forget that celebrities are actual people."
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Too many people run straight to some "it's all a big marketing ploy" or some shit, and automatically read every action or inaction through that lense.

  

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159. "RE: People forget that celebrities are actual people."
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Exactly. He is a human being just like you and me. Money or celebrity does not change that.

He was always erratic and reactionary from the very beginning, so I don’t simply label him as crazy.

But I tell you one thing it is something about that Kardashian family where the men comi out on the down side in the end.

From Lamar Odom, to Reggie Bush, to Kanye ....that Kris dude from the Nets. This shit is a pattern. Kanye wasn’t perfect, not by a long shot, but he wasn’t on this level.

  

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138. "salute kim"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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141. "I like that statement"
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Kim has a point about how much our "compassion" for mental health issues is in the abstract. On an individual level, we tend to judge people by moral standards that are "ableist" to some extent.

Like in this thread, someone shared the opinion that Kanye's misogyny isn't the result of his mental illness. There may be an argument there, but I find it interesting that we would seek to put aspects of one's personality outside the influence of their mental illness, for presumably moral reasons. We can't really *know* what a non-bipolar Kanye would be like, can we?

However, a majoryly complicating factor with Kanye is his platform and political statements. I think people are walking a difficult tightrope between having compassion for a person's mental health issues on one hand, vs. needing to object to Kanye's crazier stances due to the influence he has.





  

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142. "I've had this debate on twitter"
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A white woman mental health advocate was defending him and she didn't want to discuss his racism and it seemed like a convenient tool for racism.

The same would apply for misogyny (and I wondered if she would still be defending him if the topic at hand were his misogyny).

It's complicated.

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143. "It's a good statement. The cynical take of course is..."
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She get's points for

1. Standing by her man.
2. Advocating for mental health

And she also gets to signal to Gap & Addidas that there investments are safe and it's part of his genius.

There wasn't any upside for her to come out critical of him.

Give that PR team a bonus!!


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144. "Good statement. "
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I feel for her.

  

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145. "I’m not a big fan of this. "
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And what it is implying. This is why it is important to have BLOOD family in your corner.
Saying all this stuff about him having a mental disorder, and what people with mental disorder go through, etc. It just puts that perception out there.

She would have been better saying “ At this time , I ask for privacy and respect regarding family matters that my husband and I are dealing with. Thank you for your support as fans, friends and associates. “. Short and to the point.

A comment like that points no fingers, nor does it subliminally darken one’s image. She’s making herself to be the victim due to Kanye’s actions with her statements.

All he has are in laws and entertainment people coming to see him....Losing his mother was a huge , huge loss.

  

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lightworks
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147. "His dad is still alive. "
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I think I saw a photo of him in Wyoming with him not too long ago.

I hope he is able to talk some sense into him.

  

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151. "her culture talk about mental health, ours doesnt"
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you see it as darkening ones image because you’re black

everyone doesnt see it that way

  

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160. "Armenian culture?"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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164. "Lmao"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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189. "maybe but doing that also shuts down the conversation "
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on mental health.

THATS how I saw it, not - oh poor me, poor us. Instead it came off as - yo, we in this together, its not easy, we love dude and we know this aint the real Kanye, its Kanye filtered through his illness.

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146. "damn, no I love and support Kanye or we will get through this"
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lol

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149. "RE: damn, no I love and support Kanye or we will get through this"
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Exactly!

  

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176. "I think their marriage was the typical Kardashian biz contract "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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148. "Very Courtney Love-esque of her"
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150. "I find it odd that Adidas and Gap haven’t canceled his deals yet"
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You got CEO’s getting canned for shit they said 20 years ago.

she said all the right things.

She’s the stable strong one while he’s the crazy genius... smh.

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152. "Are you white? "
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Yeah she is the beauty and he is the big bad Monster. You need to cancel yourself.

And portraying Kim as the innocent strong one with her history and her family’s history.

This is the very shit I’m talking about, like you want this dude to lose the empire that he built off of hard work and intelligence ...while she literally slutted her way to celebrity via a sex tape with no Talent.

Talking about you find it odd like you know anything about business ...YEEZY is ITS own brand with 100 percent creative control. It’s not that Jordan brand bullshit...just a name on something but owned by Nike.

Kanye owns himself and his shit.

  

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153. "you should submit your resume to become his PR person"
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no, seriously.

  

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154. "Damn son you sound very very mad lmao"
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157. "He’s not mad, he’s dumb af. "
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You should see the shit he post in sports

He’s the Tyler Perry writers room of OKP

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163. "Dirk Nowitski SHUT IT DOWN LET"S GO HOME.mov"
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>He’s the Tyler Perry writers room of OKP
>
>

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For the record, my teams:
MLB: Mets / Soccer: PSG
NCAA BB: Arizona / NCAA FB: Michigan
NBA: Spurs / NFL: Jets
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"Si la meuf est bien physiquement, je ne refuserai pas grand chose"

  

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165. "RE: Dirk Nowitski SHUT IT DOWN LET"S GO HOME.mov"
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My shit do numbers though!

  

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170. "No one's posts do numbers. "
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>My shit do numbers though!


This is a site for crusty nerds who aged out of popular culture, but can't quit this site out of habit and sentimentality for this site's past glory (I'm not excluded). This feels like my dad bragging about one of his old people FB posts being liked 'over 20 times!!!'

https://www.instagram.com/sbmission365/

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

  

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156. "You completely missed the sarcasm on that line you idiot"
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Maybe you should slow down and stop caping so hard for Ye.

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161. "My bad."
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It didn’t appear as such.

  

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162. "No problem. "
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and you ain’t dumb af.. you just see things extremely different from most people.. lol.

I respect your stock advice

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168. "bro wtf?"
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155. "they need the attention he brings"
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thats the reason why you would even get into the kanye west business

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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158. "I know.. "
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and you know where I’m going with this..

after July 24th he will get the help he needs after a week of album reviews and updates to a few tracks.

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169. "savvy of her not to address any of the specific accusations"
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until they can organize whatever method they choose to monetize it lol.

that 1st episode/interview is gonna do crazy numbers.

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166. "I think they are gonna get divorced soon:"
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When People magazine says they have a source it basically feels like they are really talking directly to the Kardashians, just like with TMZ...

When Kanye tweeted and then deleted that tweet about him trying to get a divorce for a year I just figured he was talking shit, especially since Kim didn't address that in her statement.

BUT now that People has this up it makes me think they are laying the groundwork for it actually happening:

https://people.com/tv/kanye-west-kim-kardashian-considering-divorce-for-a-while/

  

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175. "4 kids in 6 years? "
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I missed this news. I know they had a surrogate for most of them but I don’t remember ever hearing about 4 kids until now.

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167. ""A man that don't take care his family can't be rich""
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-a richer rap nigga

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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171. "RE: "A man that don't take care his family can't be rich""
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You really need to research.

He has been an outstanding father to each and everyone of those kids. That is fact. Dude built his compound and home to be children friendly for tons of space for his kids.
From the toys, to the clothes, to their sleeping quarters, how they travel ...all Kanye

I know you don’t like him, but stop with the lies.

Interview of them with architect digest.

https://youtu.be/LJaicOI7mwg


  

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173. "RE: "A man that don't take care his family can't be rich""
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https://ibb.co/c1pqjsh

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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174. "RE: "A man that don't take care his family can't be rich""
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Seriously, why do you hate him so much?

You say he is going to be broke in ten years, and this and that..like these odd generalizations. I just believe in stating facts.

I don’t like everything that he does, and he hasn’t made good music in quite some time , but I support my own. And he has done a ton of good in this world. Plus I’m from Chicago, and I know his complete upbringing as well as his circle. So my support is going to be natural.



  

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182. "It's easy to dislike him. Man thinks Slavery is a choice. Gathered a r..."
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full of people to denigrate Harriet Tubman. He is a vocal Trump supporter. If you heard someone who DIDN'T drop Late Registration say these things, you'd think they were a P.O.S.

Don't act like it's hard to understand why people don't like him.


>Seriously, why do you hate him so much?
>
>You say he is going to be broke in ten years, and this and
>that..like these odd generalizations. I just believe in
>stating facts.
>
>I don’t like everything that he does, and he hasn’t made
>good music in quite some time , but I support my own. And he
>has done a ton of good in this world. Plus I’m from
>Chicago, and I know his complete upbringing as well as his
>circle. So my support is going to be natural.
>
>
>
>


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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184. "I used to tell people to ignore Kanye"
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but of course the media and his antics make it hard af to ignore it.

I definitely understand why people hate him after MAGA and this shit even tho I think he’s just chasing ignorance for attention.

What I really don’t understand is fans so loyal they don’t even understand why other folks despise him right now.

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172. "Good ,get my mans out of there. "
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May that divorce be quick and swift, and let Kim leach on another black man for success.

Get out, and continue to build your empire. Go focus on rebuilding the GAP and getting your own fashion factory. Maybe even reconnect with John Monopoly and Don C, get back with some true family from Chicago who know you. Reconnect with Mos and Talib, 88 keys, get back to the beats.

Dame Dash flew out to see him.....

Let’s get ready for the growth...college dropout, late registration, graduation ....Masters. Make it happen.

  

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177. "LoL"
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WHET?!?!

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178. "fam you are outta your mind."
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from kim k needing to leach off another man to dame dash being a good addition to a manic episode.

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188. "RE: fam you are outta your mind."
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She's been gaining fame off black men all her life..lol


Ray J
Nick Cannon
Reggie Bush
Kris Humpheries
Miles Austin
Kanye West....


Here is an article on how the Kardashians villainize blackmen, a very interesting write up....and on how they profit from racial bias written by the Washington Post.

https://medium.com/@nilegirl/the-kardashians-keep-getting-away-with-villainizing-black-men-like-its-their-right-e898af98734a

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/18/the-kardashians-arent-just-trashy-theyre-dangerous/

  

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190. "my dude said..."
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Dame just touched down....LET'S GOOOOOOOOO!!!

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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179. "Gotta admire all stash’s consistency "
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_______________________________________________
"Ran through enough dope for Castro to build schools in Cuba. Teach ya kids how to read and write. And use the Ruger."

  

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180. "It’s impressive. "
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Anytime I think he has hit the bottom he grabs his shovel and gets to work.

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186. "LMAO."
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>Anytime I think he has hit the bottom he grabs his shovel and
>gets to work.

  

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181. "Why"
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?

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Signature

  

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191. "he can be wrong about ANYTHING"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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183. "Yeah, dude needs to GET OUT as quickly as he can. But..."
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...he has daughters.

All it's gonna take now is one *hint* at Kanye being violent, like *the time he smashed a wine glass in a fit of rage* or *yelled at Kim, she was so afraid she hid from him and cried* or some other shit and now he's a MONSTER. Can't be around them for "their safety." Dude better have cameras and trusted people around him at all times.

  

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185. "Pretty sure they have enough tape already on Kanye"
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dude has made it impossible to not be the monster and unstable parent.

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187. "And just like that!...Don C and John Monoply flew out to see him"
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https://www.cbs8.com/article/entertainment/entertainment-tonight/kanye-wests-team-flies-to-wyoming-to-be-by-his-side-source-says/603-64ac3c58-4056-4c60-b0d7-4629f3039ab5

I'm liking this. Those were the people who got him to the platform that he is on

John was his manager up until 2009, so he was pushing Kanye since the days when labels like Jive, Arista didn't want to have anything to do with him.


Get those people back in his corner, who helped him and was there before the billions....so you know its love.

  

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192. "Dave...from 12 years ago..."
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193. "This seems SO long ago now"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=18&topic_id=65704&mesg_id=65704&listing_type=search


I actually remember when West was getting bigged up for being the "Regular Guy" rapper because he wasn't talking that Gangster shit

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194. "We Don't Need a New Kanye West Album Right Now (swipe)"
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"But while much of Kanye West’s life has been made public through his ambitions, successes and even failures, his ongoing battle with the peaks of mania and the lows of depression shouldn’t be celebrated as a spectacle or shamed as an inferiority. We don’t need a new Kanye West album right now. Instead, we need to hope that Kanye seeks the proper guidance through professional help. He doesn’t owe the world another great work but his illness is getting in the way of allowing him to do so. Back in 2016 Kanye tweeted, “I cannot be on meds and make Watch the Throne or Dark Fantasy level music.” He owes it to himself to try. "


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Kanye West doesn’t want you to think he suffers from bipolar disorder. He thrives because of it. It’s his self-proclaimed superpower. It’s used in a candid statement scrawled on an album cover and worn as a badge of honor. But that depiction, while powerful and optimistic, is only a half-truth. There are plenty of things to lambast Kanye West for, but his mental health issues shouldn’t be among them. It’s not a marketing ploy for his next album. It’s not a platform to legitimize his presidential candidacy. It’s a cause for alarm and a cry for help.

We don’t need a new album from Kanye West right now. We also don’t need to follow his ongoing manic episode destabilizing through our social media feeds. But it’s there. Sure, that “Shia Is Cap” tweet is an instant classic in the lexicon of great Kanye tweets, but there’s also the dark side to his sporadic tweets. His confrontational, paranoid statements aimed at mother-in-law Kris Jenner and wife Kim Kardashian West after they attempted to intervene were widely ridiculed but they were still retweeted hundreds of thousands of times before he deleted them. Hopefully somewhere down the line, Kanye can laugh with his family about the eldest Jenner’s “Kris Jong-Un” nickname. The issue here is that we’re all watching the crisis from afar through the cognitive dissonance of a computer screen, the infinite scrolling of a Twitter timeline and through headlines (including ones on this website).

Fans and critics alike often dismiss these “ramping ups” as Kanye being Kanye, but this latest episode was different. The severity prompted Kim to open up about her husband’s mental illness in a way that she hasn’t before. “We as a society talk about giving grace to the issue of mental health as a whole, however we should also give grace to the individuals who are living with it in times when they need it the most,” she wrote in a statement for her 182 million Instagram followers.

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If you’ve been watching Kanye West in 2020, then you’ve seen him struggle. Kanye announced his 2020 presidential campaign under the newly formed Birthday Party. He’s pivoted from being a fervent supporter of Donald Trump to criticizing the current president in an acappella freestyle over the phone with Forbes after the publication confirmed his billionaire status. Kanye announced a 10-year partnership with Gap for an extended YEEZY line. Somewhere in Wyoming, he’s developing prototypes of his YZY shelters, sustainable houses for the homeless meant to transform America’s architectural approach and income inequality. On top of all of those ongoing projects, Kanye promised a brand new album — his second straight nonsecular release, initially called God’s Country but currently named after his late mother, DONDA.

With someone as supremely talented as Kanye West, it’s hard to see where the ambition ends and the mania begins. He can declare himself a genius and present a long list of accomplishments in multiple fields to back those claims up. His lifelong fans will readily do that, too.

Both fans of Kanye and those in the media are often quick to lend their understanding to displays of depression and anxiety in the public sphere. Celebrities are applauded for their openness about these struggles, and they should be. In these spaces, mental health days are often an accepted and encouraged part of a progressive work environment to combat stress. But the next tier of serious mental illnesses like bipolar disorder are often met with ignorance and prejudice. How many times has Kanye been labeled crazy?

Millennials and Generation Zers are often lauded for their acceptance and open-mindedness. But many have neither the mental health vocabulary to properly address what Kanye is going through nor the empathy to step back from the spectacle and humanize his struggle. The terms manic and bipolar are often substituted for crazy, psycho or even conflated with schizophrenia, all of which stigmatize those illnesses. Studies point to an overall lack of access to mental health resources as the main root of the current multi-generational mental health crisis in the United States.

There are sustained moments when bipolar’s manic qualities elevate one’s energy to addicting levels. Racing thoughts usher in new ideas and every moment of faux-enlightenment only furthers one’s delusions of grandeur. Synapses spark in the brain at such a rapid-fire pace that these periods of prolonged excitement — deemed as inspiration by the person in the throes of mania — dissolve when they can’t calm down. To much of the outside world, people diagnosed with bipolar who display manic symptoms talk at a speed too rapid to be coherent, and invoke topics that are seemingly disconnected and nonsensical. Kanye described the feeling in David Letterman’s 2019 Netflix series My Next Guest Needs No Introduction. “I feel a heightened connection with the universe when I’m ramping up.”

Kanye’s decision to refuse medication is a poor one. Losing control during mania is a near-certainty when the disorder is not combatted through some combination of mood stabilizers, anticonvulsants and antipsychotics, the latter of which already come with a strong stigma attached. What’s disconcerting is watching his crisis play out in real time and seeing the way it defines bipolar disorder in the collective consciousness. That speaks to how, for every prolonged manic episode, there is an extended depressive spell to follow. For every action there is a reaction.

Kanye revealing his psychiatric hold at UCLA’s medical center back in 2016 served as the first introduction for many to the illness, even though a reported 2.5 percent of United States residents are actively living with bipolar disorder. Kanye doesn’t owe the mental health community his advocacy nor does he have the privilege to work through mania and depression in private because of his celebrity. Every erratic tweet and carelessly uniformed off-the-cuff statement during a presidential rally hurts those attempting to open up about their own internal battle.

His diagnosis doesn’t absolve him of criticism either. It is possible to show Kanye West grace during his open struggle with his mental health, while also not cutting him slack for his troubling and contradictory beliefs. Kanye’s rhetoric regarding race and politics is far too wide-ranging to attribute solely to his bipolar disorder.

These quotes are often ignorant and uninformed. His anti-abortion and anti-vaccination stances are reprehensible and lack proper tact and thoughtfulness. For someone who is such a renowned collaborator and spirited curator, his inability to listen to experts outside of his artistic endeavors speaks to his isolation and the company he currently keeps in his inner-circle. Is there nobody close to Kanye able to question his personal philosophy, political leanings or approach to mental health before he goes public and reaps untold damage to his legacy and those who have actually dedicated their life’s work in these fields?

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It’s hard to imagine how Kanye West went from announcing, “George Bush doesn’t care about Black people,” during a 2005 Hurricane Katrina relief benefit to being one of Donald Trump’s biggest public advocates a decade later. “I just love Trump. That’s my boy,” West revealed during a 2018 TMZ Live segment. “So many rappers love Trump, but then he get into office, and now they don’t love him. Trump is one of rap’s favorite people.”

Donald Trump is not one of rap’s favorite people. He’s rightfully criticized for policies that disproportionately harm the Black community and has openly advocated racist ideologies for decades. In all likelihood, Trump has since dethroned Ronald Reagan as hip-hop’s go-to political figure to ridicule, upending decades of Reagan lyrical references in the past four years alone. Some of the current President’s greatest hits include spearheading the movement demanding for the first Black President’s birth certificate in an effort to question Barack Obama’s status as an American citizen; his “both sides” remarks following the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia legitimized white supremacists; He and his father were sued by the Department of Justice in 1973 for refusing to rent out apartments to African Americans. He called to bring back the death penalty for the Central Park Five in full-page ads throughout New York City newspapers and refuses to apologize even after the five Black and Hispanic teens were exonerated decades later.

West attributed his bond with Trump to their shared “dragon energy.” That same TMZ Live visit resulted in Kanye reducing slavery to being a choice. “When you hear about slavery for 400 years — for 400 years? That sounds like a choice. Like, you were there for 400 years and it’s all you are?” After plenty of pushback, West recanted and amended his thoughts in a separate statement to say, “we were mentally enslaved.” He echoed a similar mindset during his South Carolina presidential campaign rally earlier in July where he proclaimed, “Harriet Tubman never actually freed the slaves, she just had the slaves go work for other white people.” Kanye won’t appear on the state’s ballot after missing multiple deadlines.

Kanye openly recognizes that his support of Trump is contrarian. “That is a form of racism and white supremacy and white control to say that all Black people need to be Democrat and to assume that me running is me splitting the vote,” he told Forbes. Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden essentially confirmed Kanye’s accusations.

Kanye then turned around and donated $2 million USD to various Black Lives Matter causes, paying for George Floyd’s daughter’s college tuition and marching with protesters in his hometown of Chicago, Illinois. While oftentimes antithetical, his intent has always been pure and almost childishly optimistic. Kanye wants his music to heal. He wants his YZY shelters to solve the problem of homelessness. He wants his YEEZY footwear line to bring sustainable manufacturing to the United States and create jobs. But he wants to do these things through a vision that is solely his while also not taking the proper precautions to heal himself first.

Outside of the context of his bipolar disorder, it’s easy to copy and paste pull-quotes and call West and his aspirations crazy, but doing so doesn’t provide the full picture. To understand Kanye the artist, you have to understand Kanye the person and the medical diagnosis that he struggles with.

During a particular segment of his South Carolina rally, Kanye’s pain resonated throughout the building. “My dad wanted to abort me. My mom saved my life… “ West yelled through tears. “I almost killed my daughter … She stood up, and she protected that child.” He then brainstormed on how to give parents $1 million USD to support their newborns. These traumas need to be worked out through the privacy of therapy with a mental health professional, but as is often the case with mania, his “ramping up” won’t allow him to consider that in the moment.

Kanye is still processing the pain from the untimely loss of his mother who died in 2007 from complications due to her cosmetic surgery. Her death has long-since informed his stance on the importance of family and even the abortion policy, but fails to recognize anyone’s struggles outside of his own. He went from crate-digging obscure soul samples to relentlessly researching James Turrell installations and George Condo’s contemporary art. Kanye’s openness at a time when hip-hop’s toxic masculinity went unchecked and even his courage to open up about his self-esteem were some of the main reasons why his music was so beloved and has been so influential for nearly two decades. It’s unfortunate that Kanye doesn’t research social justice issues and political policies in that same way.

But while much of Kanye West’s life has been made public through his ambitions, successes and even failures, his ongoing battle with the peaks of mania and the lows of depression shouldn’t be celebrated as a spectacle or shamed as an inferiority. We don’t need a new Kanye West album right now. Instead, we need to hope that Kanye seeks the proper guidance through professional help. He doesn’t owe the world another great work but his illness is getting in the way of allowing him to do so. Back in 2016 Kanye tweeted, “I cannot be on meds and make Watch the Throne or Dark Fantasy level music.” He owes it to himself to try.

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