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lightworks
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"I pretty much think Van Jones' career is over now. "


          

https://thegrio.com/2020/06/29/van-jones-trump-police-reform-order/

  

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nah he'll land on fox news, OANN or TrumpTV after Trump loses.
Jun 29th 2020
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Hard disagree. He’ll disappear from air for a bit
Jun 29th 2020
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Which of course means the complete opposite will happen lol
Jun 29th 2020
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RE: Which of course means the complete opposite will happen lol
Jun 29th 2020
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Probably more of a wish than anything else
Jun 29th 2020
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vans thoughts on being labeled a coon, sellout, and uncle tom
Jun 29th 2020
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Good riddance to this crying on TV ass nigga
Jun 29th 2020
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Lmao. Dude really thinks those tears be helping
Jun 29th 2020
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The Coon Who Sat by The Oval Office Door
Jun 29th 2020
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Van responds:
Jun 29th 2020
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If he’s telling the truth, and he’s freeing people...should he suffe...
Jun 29th 2020
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somebody lyin
Jun 29th 2020
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I can't wait for the White House to deny his denial
Jun 29th 2020
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      lol you know its coming.
Jun 29th 2020
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BrooklynWHAT
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1. "nah he'll land on fox news, OANN or TrumpTV after Trump loses."
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MEAT
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2. "Hard disagree. He’ll disappear from air for a bit"
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CNN will put out a statement showing they’re reviewing practices on disclosures
And then he’ll pop up later
Because there’s no chance he’s the only one
And either he brokers a settlement right now to go on his own venture of they have to own the fact that Zucker has completely warped what CNN once was.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

  

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Amritsar
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3. "Which of course means the complete opposite will happen lol"
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Also while I don’t love what he became, I feel like a lot of young trendy political folks don’t even know the work he’s done over his career.


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MEAT
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4. "RE: Which of course means the complete opposite will happen lol"
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>Also while I don’t love what he became, I feel like a lot
>of young trendy political folks don’t even know the work
>he’s done over his career.


His fault

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legsdiamond
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5. "Probably more of a wish than anything else"
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but it will be curious to see where he lands if Trump loses.



shut up already, damn

  

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mikediggz
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6. "vans thoughts on being labeled a coon, sellout, and uncle tom"
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https://thegrio.com/2019/11/27/heres-how-van-jones-feels-about-being-called-a-sellout-over-his-criminal-justice-politicking/

After more than two decades working in social justice and being one of the first African-Americans appointed by President Obama, photo opps with President Trump are not winning Jones fans in the Black community.

“It doesn’t look good,” Jones, 51, says in a recent interview at theGrio‘s headquarters in New York City. “I get it. That’s why you don’t see me clapping back on people, yelling at people. You know, I get into trouble on Twitter sometimes, but usually, I get it.”

“I used to be one of those outside voices and when I was an outside voice, I looked at the insiders sideways myself. But I’m worried more about impact than image. I’m more worried about outcomes than outrage,” he tells theGrio.

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Jones, who is best known for his role as a CNN commentator, is the CEO of the REFORM Alliance and co-founder of #cut50, a bipartisan coalition dedicated to ending mass incarceration. That coalition has put him side by side with everyone from entertainers like Kim Kardashian, Jay-Z and Meek Mill, to formerly incarcerated activists such as Louis Reid and Topeka Sam.

The group helped lead efforts to pass the FIRST STEP Act at the end of 2018, which thus far has sent home 7,000 people from federal prisons. Opponents of the act say the number is modest, and the legislation didn’t go far enough to change the system, conceding too much to conservative interests.


But the outcomes Jones speaks of extend beyond FIRST STEP. A Pennsylvania parole reform bill eliminates extension of parole for minor infractions like not being able to pay a bill on time and rewarding good behavior.

“We have 7,000 Miss Alice Johnsons that have come home this year. I get videos from them, hugging their babies, hugging their grandmothers,” Jones tells theGrio. “There is beautiful stuff that’s happening. And, if somebody has to be the lightning rod to make it happen, light me up.”

Jones’ efforts on the FIRST STEP Act also brought him side by side with President Trump’s son-in-law turned advisor Jared Kushner (who once campaigned to get Jones fired from CNN), and other conservatives. His glowing praise for their criminal justice reform efforts had many Black activists and leaders on the left wondering where Jones’ political- and cultural- allegiances lie.

“It’s nothing the more painful as a Black man, to have somebody call you a sellout, a coon, Uncle Tom,” Jones says. “I go into bed with tears in my eyes. It’s not a good feeling.”

While critics says some of Jones’ viral moments on CNN (such as this one where he called President Trump a “uniter-in-chief”), or his praise of conservatives as leaders of criminal justice reform at CPAC, have gone too far, Jones insists he has no regrets.

He likens his efforts to that of previous Black leaders who were criticized for cooperating with racist leaders in the White House, while making it clear that he doesn’t claim to be these leaders.

“I’m worried more about results than rhetoric. But, that doesn’t mean that other people are wrong.You have to have both,” he says. “Malcolm stood on the outside and said, to hell with all y’all. Dr. King went and sat down with Johnson.”

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Another point of criticism Jones says cuts deeply is around his relationship with Black women. When asked whether his effusive praise for reality star-turned-advocate Kim Kardashian overshadows Black women in the trenches, Jones says he’s being given a false choice.

“I’m very proud of Kim Kardashian, because not that many African-American celebrities can deal with Trump. For her, as a White woman to “I’ll go do it. I got three, four Black babies. I’ll go do it.” You know what I mean? I thought that was a positive. And I wanted to encourage that.”

“Sisters are the center of the justice movement in America, which means they’re the center of the justice movement, period,” Jones says, highlighting the majority of white women who voted for Donald Trump in 2016, as evidence.

Jones also points to his efforts through cut50’s Dignity For Incarcerated Women‘s campaigns, which disproportionately impact Black women who are imprisoned.

“People don’t know my story. I know my story. So, all they see is this Black dude praising this White woman,” Jones said.

While the optics of his alliances are confusing to many, Jones insists there is an element of strategy to them, and he counts Rev. Al Sharpton, Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and Rep. Karen Bass, among his political mentors during the Trump Era.

“There’s no way you can get a bill done like this, just one negro,” Jones says. “You know, everything you see ain’t what it is, is what I’m saying.”

In all of Jones’ reflections on his work and messy politics, he is unapologetic in insisting that many Black people were locked up behind bars due to policies both Democrats and Republicans supported during the War on Drugs.

“I sat down at the table and I got something done. I know it don’t look good. But, I’m not trying to look good. I’m trying to get folks home.”

“When I want to walk into a prison, it’s just acres and acres of beautiful brothers and sisters,” Jones says, getting visibly emotional. “Get off our back and let us shine.”

  

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7. "Good riddance to this crying on TV ass nigga"
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8. "Lmao. Dude really thinks those tears be helping"
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shut up already, damn

  

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9. "The Coon Who Sat by The Oval Office Door"
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10. "Van responds:"
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https://twitter.com/VanJones68/status/1277637595355320322

  

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11. "If he’s telling the truth, and he’s freeing people...should he suffe..."
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Mon Jun-29-20 12:00 PM by Tiger Woods

  

          

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12. "somebody lyin"
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13. "I can't wait for the White House to deny his denial"
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14. "lol you know its coming."
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