"How do you rename things named after confederate soldiers/leaders?"
Taking down statues and monuments is a NO BRAINIER - do it. Changing the name on buildings too.
But for the life of me I can't figure out logistically how you'd do some of it without spending a TON of money or time and how you could do it smoothly.
Example: For Bragg has around 30,000 people on it. How do you change all the printed forms, the street signs, the mail system, etc?
Louisiana has Jefferson Davis Parish, Allen Parish and Beauregard Parish - that's like 100,000 people. Same issue, think of the tax record, etc. Not to mention voter registration bullshit that people would try to exploit to suppress voters.
Even think of websites that use address verification - those would all have to be updated - and if they weren't updated at the same time then logistically things get harder to manage.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79616 posts
Thu Jun-11-20 01:41 PM
2. "They get 3 years to change it. " In response to Reply # 0
That should be enough time to figure it all out.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
3. "no different than when cities and counties consolidate" In response to Reply # 0
and form new governmental entities with new names. there's been like 40 of them over the past two decades, so there's a ton a precedent for this sort of stuff.
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Douglas Blackmon who wrote "Slavery by Another Name" was on that commission. That book is a must read.
We changed a street from "Confederate Ave." to "United Ave." a couple of years ago. Most of the complaints were that people would have to learn a new address. Changing street signs is easy.
But changing a city name, or a county name? The last time a Georgia county had its name changed was 1861 and that was because the previous namesake supported the Union over the Confederacy lol.
8. "A few years ago Houston renamed a street to Emancipation Avenue..." In response to Reply # 0
...that was named after a Confederate soldier (Dowling). The street also runs through Third Ward which was a double slap in the face with the old name.
Houston’s Dowling Street To Be Renamed Emancipation Avenue
A Houston street named for a Confederate officer will be renamed Emancipation Avenue. Associated Press | Posted on January 12, 2017, 8:46 AM
A Houston street named for a Confederate officer will be renamed Emancipation Avenue.
The Houston City Council on Wednesday approved changing the name of Dowling Street in the historic Third Ward. Richard “Dick” Dowling was a businessman and Confederate commander in the Civil War.
The street leads to Emancipation Park. The site originally was the only municipal park available to blacks, who pooled their money in 1872 to buy the property to celebrate their freedom.
The renaming to Emancipation Avenue will coincide with marking the redevelopment of Emancipation Park, which is undergoing $33 million in renovations. Ceremonies will be part of Juneteenth.
On June 19, 1865, federal troops arrived in Galveston to declare Texas slaves free. It was more than two years after President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79616 posts
Fri Jun-12-20 02:28 PM
14. "Fuck those people... they aren’t going to do anything" In response to Reply # 10
We have to stop caring about people who ain’t shit.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
11. "It's expensive but disruptive for a shorter time than you might think " In response to Reply # 0
I currently live in South Africa and a lot of cities, areas, roads, land marks are continuously being stripped of their apartheid era names.
What they do with road signs for example is put up new ones with the new name on top and the old one beneath but struck out. They keep that in place for a specific period of time and then one day get rid of the old one completely.
I mean not that long ago they changed the name of the administrative capital of the country from Pretoria to Tshwane.
Before that they changed a bunch of province names to more indigenous names.
It's been an ongoing process since 1994.
If South Africa can do it I can't see why a country with the resources of the US can't.
18. "RE: It's expensive but disruptive for a shorter time than you might thin..." In response to Reply # 11
Came here to say this:
>I mean not that long ago they changed the name of the >administrative capital of the country from Pretoria to >Tshwane.
Lol I once got into it with this old Afrikaner man who refused to call it Stanza Bopape and he kept saying you mean Church St. I was like no Stanza Bopape, Whats funny is he was asking me for directions all the while trying to correct me.
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Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
Fri Jun-12-20 12:43 PM
12. "See This Is Why I Feel People's Energy Is Being Used Wrong" In response to Reply # 0
Why go through all that trouble to want to rename their buildings and streets, when those tax dollars should be used better & wisely, I don't give a fuck if it was a named after a confederate soldier/general, or some racist person, shit, our money is racist on it's own, but I'm not going to refuse using U.S. money.
Black people really need to focus and come up with real agendas that will be more effective in a short term & long term, but will use their city's budget wisely where it doesn't start another long battle between the haves & the have-nots.
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blkprinceMD05 Member since Nov 29th 2004 41323 posts
Fri Jun-12-20 02:18 PM
13. "Yeah all this placating shit is whatever (plenty of money for it tho, " In response to Reply # 12
Look at what’s spent of the military daily). These names should be changed but that’s not going to prevent another Black person being murdered by police or a racist vigilante. I see why ppl are scoffing at companies rolling out BLM sections like Netflix and amazon prime and congress wearing kinte cloth. A lot of fluff.
What’s gonna hold these racist cops accountable so that even if deep in their heart they want to murder and abuse Black bodies and psyches, they have to have so much fear of the consequences they don’t even come close to hurting another person in the course of their “duties”
We need nation wide standards for policing, Any and all legal protections for for police use of deadly force and abuse need to be removed. No knock warrants banned nationwide, Choke holds banned nationwide. Body cameras that are on at all times and can’t be turned off by the wearers and transmitted to third party community reviewers
It’s great to hear the world saying Black lives matter but what’s gonna actual protect Black lives
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79616 posts
Fri Jun-12-20 02:30 PM
15. "We have the money.. change all that shit." In response to Reply # 13
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
21. "Let me be clear : I want it to happen" In response to Reply # 20 Sat Jun-13-20 04:55 PM by handle
>Try to rename streets after MLK.
I'm not talking bout anything other than what steps have to be taken to do it. I say we do it.
Like how would it actually work to rename cities and counties? How would the computers deal with it, how the taxes work, how laws are effected, etc.
(San Diego has Market St - which was renamed MLK Way for a year - then 60% of San Diego voted to change it back.)
Maybe I need t post this on a city planning board - but I really don't understand how big an undertaking it could be for a CITY or a COUNTY. I get streets.
22. "I’m from San Diego born, raised and currently still living here" In response to Reply # 21 Sat Jun-13-20 07:13 PM by calij81
I remember the renaming of Market to MLK and back to Market.
I work for a tribal nation within San Diego county and I worked on a project to readdress the entire nation. The nation consist of 3,200 acres, 450 residents, government complex, fire station, gaming enterprise, and a few other enterprises.
This included issuing all new address numbers to every resident, in some cases we issued new street names, and we named previously unnamed streets. It was fairly easy for us to do because we are our own government so internally it was easy. We did have to notify certain government agencies, namely the BIA since some of the roads we renamed are under BIA “management”. The majority of the work came in notifying SDGE, post office, 911 dispatch, North Com dispatch (they dispatch our tribal fire department for calls), and we also worked with Google/Apple maps to get the updated street names and addresses into their database.
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