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"Poll question: How do you feel about Biden's "You Ain't Black..." remark?"


  

          

I am curious to see folks opinion before sharing my thoughts.

Poll result (40 votes)
I think it is disqualifying (6 votes)Vote
I will vote for him, but it makes me less want to vote for him (8 votes)Vote
I cringed a little but it really wasn't that big a deal. (24 votes)Vote
I actually like he says stuff like that (2 votes)Vote

  

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
damn. what I miss?
May 22nd 2020
1
*waits in this line*
May 22nd 2020
3
https://youtu.be/KOIFs_SryHI?t=1034s
May 22nd 2020
11
      thank you...
May 22nd 2020
12
it was clearly a joke that landed wrong.
May 22nd 2020
2
clearly?
May 22nd 2020
7
      it was a joke. theres nothing to dispute about that fact.
May 22nd 2020
10
           pretty much n/m
May 22nd 2020
14
btw trump just called an impromptu press conference.
May 22nd 2020
4
media already acting dumb as usual.
May 22nd 2020
6
it ain’t a big deal but folks gonna act like it is
May 22nd 2020
5
the fake outrage is hilarious...was clear dude thought he was funny
May 22nd 2020
26
      Yep he thought that was the punchline
May 22nd 2020
35
I already had him in the lesser of two evils box
May 22nd 2020
8
It seems worse in print than on video
May 22nd 2020
9
they do this to everybody, idk why people go on that show
May 22nd 2020
33
he's trash
May 22nd 2020
13
Trash ^^^
May 22nd 2020
38
cmon bro please rethink this smh
May 22nd 2020
42
Thumbs up
May 23rd 2020
54
where did you stand before?
May 23rd 2020
60
      the democrats
May 24th 2020
70
           Voting for the lesser of two evils is a feature of every election ever.
May 24th 2020
71
                Yeah, but if your voting district is already blue
May 24th 2020
72
                what do you have to win if you write in someone else as a protest vote?
May 24th 2020
98
                     My principles? To register my dissent?
May 24th 2020
100
                          if thats a win to you then i cant hate on it.
May 24th 2020
105
                Ehhh disagree. Practically sure. That wasn’t the sentiment for Obama
May 24th 2020
109
If you were going to vote for him before, I don't see how this changes t...
May 22nd 2020
15
We for sure are getting a Black woman VP now!
May 22nd 2020
16
i wouldnt be surprised if jada pinkett was on the vp short list now.
May 22nd 2020
17
Ha! Yeah word:
May 22nd 2020
20
its becoming clear he isnt going to say anything positive
May 22nd 2020
23
Lmao
May 23rd 2020
58
So Symone is "shitty" and Stacy is "thirsty" for defending Biden AND
May 22nd 2020
22
      Stacey and Symone are doing it wrong.
May 22nd 2020
24
      Kamala's had her own gaffes, incl. when it comes to talking about race,
May 22nd 2020
29
      black liberals outchea lobbying hoping for a mammy for biden
May 25th 2020
111
           Wow. Smh
May 25th 2020
114
                if you're lobbying for a black woman solely for the purpose of cleaning
May 25th 2020
124
                     I’m wowing at ur use of the word mammy. Didn’t read ur reply.
May 26th 2020
129
                          well that's just silly
May 26th 2020
130
he's right, black people don't really have any other choice
May 22nd 2020
18
Black people deserve a better planet
May 22nd 2020
19
'm white - where's my option
May 22nd 2020
21
just seemed like a lame ass attempt at trying to be funny to me
May 22nd 2020
25
can we just lock him in a room until November???
May 22nd 2020
27
seriously just take the bloomberg approach.
May 22nd 2020
28
      Joe got that 'foot in mouth' disease...dude just cant help himself
May 22nd 2020
30
      normally i would suggest going on an immediate apology tour
May 22nd 2020
31
      ^^^^^^^^^
May 22nd 2020
34
      ^^^all of this.
May 25th 2020
120
where's the "going on the breakfast club is always, always a bad idea" o...
May 22nd 2020
32
having this conversation is a distraction...
May 22nd 2020
36
james clyburn gave him his black card
May 22nd 2020
37
The last thing we need is some white man telling folks who is and who...
May 22nd 2020
39
man said "ain't" haha! poor choice of words...I aint snowflaking it
May 22nd 2020
40
Dumb Gaffe Man makes a dumb gaffe.
May 22nd 2020
41
Hollywood Shuffle
May 22nd 2020
43
I thought it was funny lol
May 22nd 2020
44
and of course this is getting more burn than Trump's
May 22nd 2020
45
if you seen his IG ads they don't even bother to turn off comments..
May 23rd 2020
51
That entire interview was a Damned Mess
May 22nd 2020
46
Post your apologies to Diddy here
May 23rd 2020
47
You rode that Biden rape wagon until the wheels actually fell off
May 23rd 2020
48
      Apology accepted...enjoy your holiday
May 23rd 2020
49
      That's exactly what I thought
May 23rd 2020
50
      U referred to him as "your dumb ass" in your 2nd sentence...
May 23rd 2020
52
      Shout out to you for having too much self-respect to engage...
May 23rd 2020
53
      taking sexual assault seriously is "riding the bandwagon" now?
May 23rd 2020
55
           It is when you don't take them seriously
May 24th 2020
66
                russiagate is a conspiracy
May 24th 2020
90
I thought bernie was bad with black voters? What a shocking plot twist!
May 23rd 2020
56
Trump commercial featuring clip already on YouTube
May 23rd 2020
57
No more old White men on the ticket! They are just so problematic
May 23rd 2020
59
I voted blue in the poll btw.
May 25th 2020
115
Trump's ex said he used to sit around studying Hitler.
May 23rd 2020
61
im moving towards the belief that we deserve to be ruled by a hitler.
May 23rd 2020
62
Canadian here...you guy’s are gonna fuck this up again aren't you?
May 24th 2020
63
most likely.
May 24th 2020
64
real talk, i'm glad we are Canadian, but we got our problematic
May 24th 2020
68
right, lol
May 24th 2020
107
They are going to try
May 28th 2020
145
Set this aside, What has he done to earn my vote?
May 24th 2020
65
Unfortunately that doesn’t matter at this point
May 24th 2020
67
>We chose Joe
May 24th 2020
73
      Bloomberg split Bernie's vote?
May 24th 2020
74
      as in he wanted to split all of the votes and trigger a brokered convent...
May 24th 2020
79
           apparently the voters are establishment dems too.
May 24th 2020
85
      this is some brain worms shit
May 24th 2020
76
      the grapes have gone bad
May 24th 2020
77
      LOL
May 24th 2020
80
      they had one. they ended up calling her a closet republican and a snake...
May 24th 2020
87
      lol
May 24th 2020
82
      nope, everyone else dropped out
May 24th 2020
78
      that's part of the larger point I was trying to make
May 24th 2020
81
           Lol, "intentionally overcrowded."
May 24th 2020
83
           everything is a conspiracy. and its always against bernie.
May 24th 2020
84
           i dont think the democratic party is evil
May 24th 2020
89
                like maybe winning the general election?
May 24th 2020
93
                     At least Bernie had populist support
May 24th 2020
99
                          populist support = losing both the black and white working class?
May 24th 2020
102
                               I think populism means white millennial college students.
May 24th 2020
103
                                    it is pretty weird that the american socialist movement
May 24th 2020
104
                                    lol
May 25th 2020
118
           bernie did worse than 2016 because he wasnt running against hillary.
May 24th 2020
86
           this video seems to explain why democratic party
May 24th 2020
92
                afraid of him destroying the party maybe.
May 24th 2020
95
      biden was irrelevant until black people started voting.
May 24th 2020
88
           and as long as Biden wasn't allowed in public
May 24th 2020
91
                there were at least 10 public debates.
May 24th 2020
94
                I don't remember Biden getting any traction during those debates
May 24th 2020
97
                     this reply is really super typical of a lot of bernie supporters.
May 24th 2020
101
                          you're projecting a lot with that reply
May 25th 2020
110
                Yeah...those dumb black folks falling for the okie doke again
May 24th 2020
96
                     Replace dumb with loyal and I can rock with it
May 26th 2020
125
I always forget, are you the mormon?
May 24th 2020
75
      yup
May 26th 2020
132
...
May 24th 2020
69
Well at least it gave us another MonoNeon jam
May 24th 2020
106
fuck him
May 24th 2020
108
      I have no idea what you're talking about
May 25th 2020
117
           Maybe they were talking about Biden?
May 25th 2020
119
           lol
May 25th 2020
122
           justin_scott has ties to someone who aired out Mono Neon
May 25th 2020
121
                Still have no idea what he's talking about.
May 25th 2020
123
given biden's policy record against black america?
May 25th 2020
112
He was trying too hard to be “hip” the whole interview, he needs...
May 25th 2020
113
Another friendly reminder of the Two America’s
May 25th 2020
116
LoL @ all yall stinding in the Candace Owens line now...
May 26th 2020
126
Now? Everyone in her has been in their lines for months
May 26th 2020
127
slowly becoming a parody of themselves
May 26th 2020
128
He's about to do a live interview with Wolf Blitzer. Lord help him
May 26th 2020
131
Looks like 5 months of Trump bad
May 27th 2020
133
Anybody want to post the highlights of Biden's career on minority issues...
May 27th 2020
134
Biden's a 80s republican/60s Dixiecrat, legistlatively
May 27th 2020
135
this is what i don't understand
May 27th 2020
136
      So Biden is just as bad as trump? This question is to anybody
May 27th 2020
137
           Look at my record = show it to me
May 27th 2020
138
           Wasn’t the voting rights act repealed during the BHO administration?
May 28th 2020
140
           Reply 137 is a yes or no question
May 28th 2020
141
           No, Trump bad. Your turn
May 28th 2020
142
           Who repealed section 4 of voting rights act?
May 28th 2020
143
                dude aint even trying anymore.
May 28th 2020
146
                     I think it stems from the fact he doesn't understand presidency/VP
May 29th 2020
154
           biden critic does not equal trump supporter
May 29th 2020
149
                It's a 2 party system.
May 29th 2020
150
                That’s not what I asked.
May 29th 2020
153
                     to answer your question
May 29th 2020
155
                          You trippin’ ... liberal racist are annoying af
May 29th 2020
156
                               trump and his kind are trash
May 29th 2020
161
*shrugs*
May 27th 2020
139
I think Biden meant well. Seems like he wants to be down. But senility.....
May 28th 2020
144
“When the looting starts the shooting starts” - Trump
May 29th 2020
147
What if Trump isn’t the nominee?
May 29th 2020
148
      It's hard to fathom that anyone could be this dumb.
May 29th 2020
151
      it's actually unpredictable what he'll post next
May 29th 2020
152
      Bruh.. lol
May 29th 2020
157
      stop it slime. stop being ignorant.
May 29th 2020
158
      what news do you be watching?
May 29th 2020
159
      you might be the worst one
May 29th 2020
163
Donald Trump emboldens ignorant and hateful people
May 29th 2020
160
jim clyburn with the powerful old school response to tim scott.
May 29th 2020
162
charlamagne didn’t catch it...
May 29th 2020
164

Trinity444
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1. "damn. what I miss? "
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link?

  

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3. "*waits in this line*"
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11. "https://youtu.be/KOIFs_SryHI?t=1034s"
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https://youtu.be/KOIFs_SryHI?t=1034s

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12. "thank you..."
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Reeq
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2. "it was clearly a joke that landed wrong."
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but in an election where a lot of black people are already scrutinizing their allegiance to the democratic party...and with bidens spotty record on issues affecting black people...it was stupid and only throws gas on a flame that they should have taken painstaking measures to keep at a simmer.

he...just like hillary...thinks he is more comfortable with the black community than he is. like most politicians who dont operate under that assumption...he needs to just give straight forward pc answers on race and not do anything to trip any wires.

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7. "clearly?"
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I disagree.

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Reeq
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10. " it was a joke. theres nothing to dispute about that fact."
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14. "pretty much n/m"
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Reeq
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4. "btw trump just called an impromptu press conference."
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so you know what thats gonna be about.

one thing you gotta give republicans credit for...they know how to throw a well coordinated tantrum in the media.

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6. "media already acting dumb as usual."
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https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1263877248584728577
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@JohnKingCNN
on the surprise news conference: “What’s behind this move”

@kaitlancollins
: “that’s a good question.”

Yep!
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5. "it ain’t a big deal but folks gonna act like it is"
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Basically he said white people are the ones that are on the fence about me vs Trump.

Folks stretching what he said into policing blackness and all that. Nah

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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26. "the fake outrage is hilarious...was clear dude thought he was funny"
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35. "Yep he thought that was the punchline"
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but that got interrupted by the zoom lag and Charlemagne didnt really hear or get it til he was already on his next question

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8. "I already had him in the lesser of two evils box"
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But I hate that I'm going to vote for someone who needs constant supervision.

  

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9. "It seems worse in print than on video"
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https://youtu.be/KOIFs_SryHI?t=1033s

Like he got too comfortable with Charlemagne a made a dumb jokey comment
It didn't seem serious. Dumb nonetheless. And I don't agree with the comment. But I don't see it as offensive

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33. "they do this to everybody, idk why people go on that show"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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13. "he's trash"
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no vote for me.

  

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38. "Trash ^^^"
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shut up already, damn

  

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42. "cmon bro please rethink this smh"
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>no vote for me.

  

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54. "Thumbs up"
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It would be even worse if he said something like “I know a group of them.”

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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60. "where did you stand before?"
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70. "the democrats"
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as a whole, are looking like some trash right now. have been for a while. it's sad
that people feel like they have to vote for "the lesser of the two evils"

  

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71. "Voting for the lesser of two evils is a feature of every election ever."
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Because no people are perfect.

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72. "Yeah, but if your voting district is already blue"
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then what do you have to lose if you write in someone else as a protest vote?

  

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98. " what do you have to win if you write in someone else as a protest vote?"
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like whats the point of going through all of that?

serious question.

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100. "My principles? To register my dissent?"
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If my vote isn't going to matter because my district is blue, then its also pragmatic too. I don't have to worry about indirectly voting for Trump by refusing to blindly vote for someone I do not want to be president or to show loyalty to a political party that just assumes they have my support in maintaining their status quo.

  

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Reeq
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105. "if thats a win to you then i cant hate on it."
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109. "Ehhh disagree. Practically sure. That wasn’t the sentiment for Obama"
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Voters, definitely not in 2008.

For a lot of ppl that was really the choice in 16

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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15. "If you were going to vote for him before, I don't see how this changes t..."
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so if you voted 'disqualifying' how is this different than any number of other stupid things he's said on race, or legislation he created/signed/sponsored/endorsed in the past.

He's bad, and I'm disappointed we landed on him, but how would this specific incident change your opinion of him? To me it seems perfectly in line with who he is and who we've known him to be.

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16. "We for sure are getting a Black woman VP now!"
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Which we always should have been getting but it is guaranteed now by this extremely fucked up comment of his.

To answer your question I think it was an extremely fucked up thing to say, white people don’t get to be the arbiter of Blackness, and I saw his senior advisor Simone Sanders was trying to write it off as a joke on Twitter, that he was just saying it in jest, and I think that’s extra shitty of her to try to spin it.

Yes she literally gets paid to defend and explain away Biden’s comments but I think going the route she did to try to spin it is a bridge too far even for her.

I’m sure Stacey’s thirsty ass is gonna jump in any minute with some explanation that ends with how she would be the perfect VP candidate.

  

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17. "i wouldnt be surprised if jada pinkett was on the vp short list now."
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honestly tho...it would be dope if biden was the type of artful speaker who could go on red table talk and have an open/honest discussion on race and politics to clear all of this up.

itd be such a great move for this new media/political landscape we are in.

but then again...if he was capable of doing that...then he would prolly be capable of not getting himself in this mess in the first place.

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20. "Ha! Yeah word:"
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>but then again...if he was capable of doing that...then he
>would prolly be capable of not getting himself in this mess in
>the first place.

Ya know, it's one thing to just fuck up and say some wack shit because you're tired from being on the campaign trail, or you just said something that came out different than how intended, or something like that...

But yeah Joe consistently says wack shit to the point of "this is a fucked up pattern that he isn't ever going to change" and it is such a shame that we as Democrats have to pay the price since we gotta hold our nose to vote for this motherfucker.

  

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23. "its becoming clear he isnt going to say anything positive"
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or paradigm shifting in terms of mobilizing people towards his campaign. he wont really win over more pro-biden voters.

his biggest asset is clearly that his opponent is uniquely polarizing and detested by a large segment of the country. and he just has to keep anti-trump voters.

and any time he draws attention to himself and away from his opponent (which he seems hell bent on doing)...it doesnt work out well.

this is clearly a hold your nose election like you said. and liberals/dems dont have a great history of swallowing the medicine without a spoonful of sugar.

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58. "Lmao"
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22. "So Symone is "shitty" and Stacy is "thirsty" for defending Biden AND "
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he needs a black woman as a running mate??

Do yall not think that if a black woman is Biden's running mate, SHE will be the one front-and-center having to do this? Because she will. Often.

So either recognize game when you see it and cut sis some slack, or admit that the color-by-number/identity politics is stupid flawed and the representation you think you're demanding simply translates to *this* in politics right now.

Symone's just doing her job, and her identity as a black woman probably factored into the campaign wanting her to lead his defense as well. Because that's how this identity politics bs yall are pushing works.

She and Stacy are simply foreshadowing what a black woman who is NOT the public's preferred choice/leading VP polls (https://twitter.com/lewoofl/status/1261129062053023744/photo/3) getting picked anyway will be reduced to: Getting trotted out to clean up Biden's shit.

I personally want better for the first black woman on a US presidential ticket but yall are adamant so have fun *shrug*


> I saw his senior advisor Simone Sanders was
>trying to write it off as a joke on Twitter, that he was just
>saying it in jest, and I think that’s extra shitty of her to
>try to spin it.
>
>Yes she literally gets paid to defend and explain away
>Biden’s comments but I think going the route she did to try
>to spin it is a bridge too far even for her.
>
>I’m sure Stacey’s thirsty ass is gonna jump in any minute
>with some explanation that ends with how she would be the
>perfect VP candidate.

  

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24. "Stacey and Symone are doing it wrong."
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Stacey didn’t do a good job defending him against the Reade claims because she used a NYT “investigation” as the basis for why she believes Biden, and it wasn’t investigative at all.

If she had just said “I believe Joe”, I wouldn’t have been able to find fault with it.

Symone harping on “come on y’all it was a joke” doesn’t work for me either and is a poor defense.

To answer your point yes a Black woman needs to be VP and yup she will have to figure out a way to defend this but I believe someone like Kamala would have found a perfect balance between defending it and still holding Biden accountable for it being a problematic “joke”, something I don’t think Stacey or Symone could pull off.

Yes you need a Black woman VP but you need a savvy and smart one that knows how to say the right thing that strikes the appropriate balance.

  

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29. "Kamala's had her own gaffes, incl. when it comes to talking about race,"
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so not sure I share your confidence about her being so much "savvier and smarter" than Stacy Abrams or Symone Sanders in this context. There's also a potential colorism layer to your remarks that I find questionable but let me not derail.

All I'm saying is it's pretty wack to shit on black women who are in positions where they basically have to defend Biden as part of their job/potential job, while demanding that a black woman be in the most visible role of defending Biden. That's some classic damned if they do damned if they don't shit.

And I disagree that his running mate *needs* to be anyone other than who it is most constituencies want and who could do the best job if elected, but that's neither here nor there.

>
>yes a Black woman needs to be VP and yup
>she will have to figure out a way to defend this but I believe
>someone like Kamala would have found a perfect balance between
>defending it and still holding Biden accountable for it being
>a problematic “joke”, something I don’t think Stacey or
>Symone could pull off.
>
>Yes you need a Black woman VP but you need a savvy and smart
>one that knows how to say the right thing that strikes the
>appropriate balance.

  

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111. "black liberals outchea lobbying hoping for a mammy for biden"
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wild to see...but not really

  

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114. "Wow. Smh "
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I hope u didn’t have S Abrams in mind when u wrote this gem

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124. "if you're lobbying for a black woman solely for the purpose of cleaning"
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the shit off biden's face when he says dumb shit...that's some mammy shit.
Massa pick-mes can't even name a single policy that would benefit black PEOPLE or BLACK WOMEN that a Black woman VP should have.

Folks just want a fuckin token.
That's mammy shit.

  

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129. "I’m wowing at ur use of the word mammy. Didn’t read ur reply."
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130. "well that's just silly"
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n/m

  

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18. "he's right, black people don't really have any other choice"
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19. "Black people deserve a better planet"
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Option: Drink that bleach for health!!!!

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25. "just seemed like a lame ass attempt at trying to be funny to me"
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eh

  

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27. "can we just lock him in a room until November???"
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...you just know he's going to say more weird shit, the fuckin guy has no filter with his mouth or his hands for that matter


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28. "seriously just take the bloomberg approach."
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crank out fire ass ads.

let your surrogates and social media team crank out all of the jokes and clapbacks.

do softball interviews at notoriously non-confrontational and friendly news outlets.

and stand next to popular dem down ballot candidates in their states.

seriously how hard is it for a mature adult not to constantly say shit that offends their own base?

this election is as close to a layup as possible in terms of being a referendum on the incumbent. just keep the fucking focus there.

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30. "Joe got that 'foot in mouth' disease...dude just cant help himself"
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A walking gaffe

  

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31. "normally i would suggest going on an immediate apology tour"
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and blanketing the airwaves with video/audio clips of you on various outlets acknowledging your mistake and putting forth a concrete plan to make up for it.

all of this would be a non-story in a few days.

but given the actual candidate involved...im almost terrified to see what that would look like and what he could potentially have to apologize for as a result of the apology tour.

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34. "^^^^^^^^^"
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120. "^^^all of this."
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prototype

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32. "where's the "going on the breakfast club is always, always a bad idea" o..."
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NEVER DO THAT

dude sucks, he sucked, still sucks

this quote doesn't really rank on the list of reasons he sucks


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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36. "having this conversation is a distraction..."
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it’s really not that deep for me. if we can admit to his gaffes, why is this even a discussion?

then here come diddy, lol


  

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37. "james clyburn gave him his black card"
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39. "The last thing we need is some white man telling folks who is and who..."
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...ain't black

As (insert disparaging adjective here) as I think you may be if you did or are planning to vote for Trump, you still black.

The fact that he smiling like that was a bar is what really got me tight.

  

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40. "man said "ain't" haha! poor choice of words...I aint snowflaking it"
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Dude is more of an ally than Trump is..

That's for SURE!!!

We see through all that boo boo like it's ghost shit... (c) Quelle Chris

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41. "Dumb Gaffe Man makes a dumb gaffe."
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43. "Hollywood Shuffle"
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44. "I thought it was funny lol"
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45. "and of course this is getting more burn than Trump's"
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"blood lines" comment regarding Ford.


The double standard is one of many things that make Biden a huge fucking risk.

Not saying Biden didn't fuck up because of course he did. But any mistake he makes will be amplified 100x in comparison to cheetoh mussolini.

Pick a VEEP and hide out already. Where are the Bloomberg ads?


And why in the fuck was he on that show in the first place??

  

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51. "if you seen his IG ads they don't even bother to turn off comments.."
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...and its a shit show every time. ...whoever is running his PR is in over their head


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46. "That entire interview was a Damned Mess"
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Why was he yelling the whole damn time?

At one point did he Tell Charlamagne to get a life ?

Hillary Clinton managed to come off better and sound like she was at least having a conversation

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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47. "Post your apologies to Diddy here "
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What are ya gonna do black people...vote for the other guy...bwahahahahaha

He can hire all the black campaign managers, endorsements, surrogates, VP, etc...

He’ll always be a privileged, entitled, YT man in ‘murica that doesn’t prioritize black policies

We really can’t do better?

Folks was going in on Diddy for saying black voters need demands met for their ballots...and mfers in here copping pleas for creepy joe making jokes at a time that black people are disproportionately being killed by a virus

Accept your L and apologize

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48. "You rode that Biden rape wagon until the wheels actually fell off"
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and then didn't have shit to say. So your dumb ass probably shouldn't be calling for anyone to apologize to anyone about anything.

>Folks was going in on Diddy for saying black voters need
>demands met for their ballots...and mfers in here copping
>pleas for creepy joe making jokes at a time that black people
>are disproportionately being killed by a virus
>

And who has been President during that time? Who is directly responsible for the failed preparation and response to the virus that is killing black people disproportionately?

Who has done NOTHING but enable cronies to profit while black businesses failed to receive loans, undermine states abilities to get PPE, and threaten to investigate Obama for crimes he did not commit?

Whose HHS Secretary was it that when asked about the disproportionate number of black people dying said it was because black people are unhealthy?

Who has threatened to hold back federal money from certain states for sending residents vote-by-mail applications in an effort to disenfranchise voters of color? Whose proxies in Florida and Georgia have literally manipulated data to force an early reopening knowing that back people disproportionately die of the virus?

Who praised a notorious white supremacist and Nazi icon for having a 'good bloodline' not 24-hours before Biden's gaffe? And then between the two of them apologized?

You don't care about black people dying from coronavirus so why are you acting like you do? You don't care about the fate of black people in this country so why are you acting like you do? When there is anything that affects black people you don't have shit to say. But the second Biden's name comes up you pop up like some kind of woke Candyman ready to talk greasy again until you vanish again. You're a fucking clown.

You claim to be worried about ballots while Trump and his administration are trying to make sure black people can't even get a fucking ballot.

Apologize? Go somewhere and sit down. You don't have the mind or the heart for this and you bring shame on your ancestors.

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49. "Apology accepted...enjoy your holiday "
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50. "That's exactly what I thought"
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predictable nigga is predictable.

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52. "U referred to him as "your dumb ass" in your 2nd sentence..."
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but you him to actually engage you...

You think you're proving something by being dismissed for childishness?

lol


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53. "Shout out to you for having too much self-respect to engage..."
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someone who can't even express their point without calling you names.

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55. "taking sexual assault seriously is "riding the bandwagon" now?"
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Please, tell us more about your RussiaGate conspiracies.

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66. "It is when you don't take them seriously"
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and they are just used as a political weapon and when that backfires you run and hide until it's time to pop up again.

We can talk about Russia if you want to but you don't really want to. You just want to push a narrative that goes against well-established facts. Save that for your bullshit alternative fact sites.

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90. "russiagate is a conspiracy "
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but perpetuating a false rape allegation for political purposes is fair game apparently.

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56. "I thought bernie was bad with black voters? What a shocking plot twist!"
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Biden needs to call Cornpop and the gang. Its getting spicy!

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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57. "Trump commercial featuring clip already on YouTube"
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Just saw it...

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59. "No more old White men on the ticket! They are just so problematic "
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not the top slot. Not the VP slot. Just a completely unnecessary unforced error. This shit ain’t that hard.

I know Symone sanders was like what the fuck dude

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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115. "I voted blue in the poll btw. "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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61. "Trump's ex said he used to sit around studying Hitler."
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And we're worried about this shit smh.

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62. "im moving towards the belief that we deserve to be ruled by a hitler."
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from the bernie dead enders refusing to vote for biden...to lefties working to damage biden with sketchy rape allegations...to dems being weak/incompetent in general...to biden idiotically touching on a racial fault line and reinforcing the kanye/ados/etc narrative that threatens to suppress the black vote...to the media just being unprincipled and self interested where they both sides every issue and treat trump atrocities with the same exposure/elevation as a democrat using a bad word...etc...

we are just too dumb for democracy fam.

and we cant keep expecting such a dumb country to just luck up into good outcomes.

empires fall for a reason. we are living that reason right now.

and best believe trump is going full hitler in his 2nd term. no hyperbole. he/repubs are following the same exact blueprint. marginalization of the political opposition by anti-democratic means, consolidation of party behind 1 unitary figure, destruction of truth via controlled media/propaganda, systematic removal of checks/balances/watchdogs, installation of corrupt/loyal judges, etc.

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63. "Canadian here...you guy’s are gonna fuck this up again aren't you?"
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just tell the rest of us now so we can adjust accordingly.



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64. "most likely."
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it seems like everyone is doing that exact thing they would need to do for us to lose.

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68. "real talk, i'm glad we are Canadian, but we got our problematic"
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politicians too. I'm just happy that our system mainains some kind of checks and balances and the crazies haven't been able to get the same foothold that they have in the U.S.

the recent Atlantic article on America being a failed state is too real:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/underlying-conditions/610261/

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107. "right, lol"
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145. "They are going to try"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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65. "Set this aside, What has he done to earn my vote?"
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Let's also assume he didn't promote the "this was a nation built by and founded upon the backs of immigrants" myth.

What has Joe Biden done for my community to earn my vote?

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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67. "Unfortunately that doesn’t matter at this point"
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We had more than enough time to debate this and choose a better candidate.

We chose Joe.

and now we have to deal with his foot in mouth disease.

shut up already, damn

  

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73. ">We chose Joe"
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Did we though? Biden was completely irrelevant until Bloomberg threw a whole bunch of money into running, just so he could intentionally split the vote and keep Bernie from solidifying his lead (and thus tax the shit out of him if he won).

  

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74. "Bloomberg split Bernie's vote?"
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79. "as in he wanted to split all of the votes and trigger a brokered convent..."
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Right before Super Tuesday he was all about staying in the race and going through with a brokered convention to stop Bernie who he straight up said was unelectable (even though he was very competitive right before Super Tuesday).

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/02/bloomberg-not-dropping-out-119109

When he saw that Biden had won, then he like the others immediately dropped out to support the centrist option.

Edit: I do concede that Biden won super tuesday because more people chose him than Bernie. I was moreso trying to make a point that nearly every other democratic candidate did not want Bernie to win. And there was a concerted effort to select anyone but him by establishment dems

  

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85. "apparently the voters are establishment dems too."
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76. "this is some brain worms shit"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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77. "the grapes have gone bad"
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80. "LOL"
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These dudes brains have straight rotted.

Joe kicked Bernie’s ass without even trying.

Yes, voters chose Joe. Not me, but a lot of voters
did.

I can’t beleive they haven’t accepted it.


Progressives need a better leader/politician.

  

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87. "they had one. they ended up calling her a closet republican and a snake..."
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>Progressives need a better leader/politician.

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82. "lol"
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78. "nope, everyone else dropped out "
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to consolidate the centrist vote

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81. "that's part of the larger point I was trying to make"
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that there was a concerted effort on multiple sides of the party to stop Sanders. And that most likely explains why he did worse on Super Tuesday than he did in 2016. If the field wasn't intentionally overcrowded, then I don't think Biden would have emerged. And then by the time corona hit everyone just acted like the rest of the primaries were over and we are stuck with Biden.

  

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83. "Lol, "intentionally overcrowded.""
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So in '16 the evil Democrats installed Hillary by stopping anyone else from running. In '20 they installed Joe by making TOO MANY people run.

  

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84. "everything is a conspiracy. and its always against bernie."
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89. "i dont think the democratic party is evil"
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but they clearly have a vested interest in Bernie not getting the nomination. I also think Hillary vs. Bernie was much fairer than the clusterfuck we had this primary. At least Hillary Clinton was competent and could form coherent responses to things. I was also looking forward to her being president and had family who was on her campaign. The only thing I look forward to about Biden being the president is that he quickly dies in office and Elizabeth Warren goes from VP to Pres.

I also don't think we "chose Trump" over Hilary. There was all kinds of fuckery that went into stopping Hilary from becoming president. I think a much milder form of this fuckery also explains why we "choose" Biden over Bernie. Manufacturing consent is real.

  

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93. "like maybe winning the general election?"
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>but they clearly have a vested interest in Bernie not getting
>the nomination.

democrats (which include the voters) didnt wanna nominate a candidate who alienated 2/3 of the party and who would have been non competitive and tanked every down ballot race in just about every swing state you need to win in 2020.

bernie didnt win a single county in michigan fam. a single county. in michigan.

you think a candidate like that should have gotten the nomination?

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99. "At least Bernie had populist support"
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And the election would come down to what the economy is looking like right before the election anyway. If it wasn't for corona, then I really don't think Biden would stand a chance against Trump. He would have run circles around him. It would be like Hilary 2.0, but if Hilary was actually senile and consistently said dumb, unprompted shit. I don't even think Obama thought he had a chance, until Super Tuesday.

  

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102. "populist support = losing both the black and white working class?"
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and losing union households as well as non college educated voters?

how do you define populism then?

cuz im not sure what you think happened is remotely close to what actually happened.

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103. "I think populism means white millennial college students."
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104. "it is pretty weird that the american socialist movement"
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appeals mainly to a 'proletariat' of college educated greenhorns and upper middle class niche cultural snobs.

kinda like how a lifelong politician and member of congress for 3 decades who consistently votes almost entirely in line with one party is seen as a political outsider.

nothing even matters anymore. except for the branding.

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118. "lol"
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86. "bernie did worse than 2016 because he wasnt running against hillary."
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if you have to rely on a divided field, low turnout caucuses, and 95% white states to remain competitive...can you really claim to be the best candidate to lead the democratic party nationwide?

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92. "this video seems to explain why democratic party"
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is afraid of Sanders....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LbiAzLVCJU&t=228s

anyway, bernie dropped out and endorsed Biden... *kanye shrug*

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95. "afraid of him destroying the party maybe."
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other than that...im not sure you have to worry too much about someone who couldnt appeal to more than 30% of the party.

i mean...young voters...his core audience...werent even inspired to show up for him. that doesnt really sound like a movement to fear. i think a lot of people fooled themselves into believing bernie represented something greater than he did in reality.

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88. "biden was irrelevant until black people started voting."
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something the bernie campaign clearly wasnt anticipating lol.

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91. "and as long as Biden wasn't allowed in public"
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then it was easier for people to associate him with Obama. As opposed to being the guy who opposed desegregating schools and doing photo ops with kkk leaders in the late 70s

  

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94. "there were at least 10 public debates."
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i do remember seeing biden there if im not mistaken.

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97. "I don't remember Biden getting any traction during those debates"
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but to be honest, I also didnt bother to watch them. If anything interesting happened then it would be turned into a soundbite or a meme the next day. I really thought it would have been between Warren and Sanders, since no one seemed enthusiastic about Biden. I even thought that turd Buttijieg was more competitive than Biden toward the end there. But Im also from DC and that was a bubble of enthusiastic support for Bernie.

  

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101. "this reply is really super typical of a lot of bernie supporters."
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and i dont mean that as a diss.

its the reason i started gradually removing myself from the online 'progressive' echo chamber. because it was making me somewhat delusional to how the country (and average people) really work.

when you are constantly having your biases confirmed and your perspective reinforced even against all evidence to the contrary...you start believing things like rally size, hand selected polls, soundbites and memes, etc are more substantive than they really are (because they work in your favor).

and you start dismissing/overlooking real concrete historical voter behavior that really matters...like the fact that virtually every dem nominee for decades has won south carolina and the national black vote (they go hand in hand for the most part).

or you start believing that youre part of some unstoppable vast broad diverse coalition because your candidate is endorsed by a handful of progressive congressional women of color (compared to the majority of black/hispanic caucus members).

or you start believing that you represent the real heart of a party that wins its congressional majorities overwhelmingly with politicians you deem to be out of touch with the party base. and you believe the candidate you most align with is the best positioned to lead an entire party whose voters rejected him by significant margins. twice.

that entire media ecosystem now (young turks, the intercept, kyle kulinkski, currentaffairs, etc) has turned into 1 big ideological massage parlor that has become less about informing their audience and more about narcotizing them into a false sense of influence/acceptance/popularity of their perspective/agenda.

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110. "you're projecting a lot with that reply"
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i don't care about Bernie now that he has dropped out. i liked him because he was the first Leftist candidate I remember seeing that made it this far. And he was able to do that by packaging his more radical ideas as populist 99% percent rhetoric. That is not the same thing as me believing he actually has universal or 99% populist support. Just that he explicitly frames his message to have populist appeal.

And no, I do not think Progressives or Liberals are the same as Leftists. I also think Leftists are FAR from having significant support from Americans. In fact, I've always assumed they are hated by most Americans. Leftists are essentially "mask on" socialists and "mask off" Marxists. The kind of people who think work is a form of "wage slavery" and that landlords are scum. I am under no assumption that this is something most Americans would agree with or is even what most Americans think of as progressive.

Before Sanders went into politics he existed on the fringes. Like the kinda of person who would rather have odd jobs, be mostly unemployed, and contribute to Leftist publications that no one reads, then take advantage of the fact that he graduated from the University of Chicago and could have got a real job. Most Americans would think he was a straight-up freak if they knew what he was like before going into civil service.

I really don't know what Socialists in America look like, because my introduction to it was through academia--which reads esoteric texts on "critical theory" and are very much cultural snobs. These guys are also a lot more niche than the white millennial college students and recent grads who make up the memebers of local chapters of the DSA. But aside from those two groups, I think you are overlooking a lot of poorer white guys who work blue collar jobs and make up "the scum bag Left" (like the people who listen to the Chapotraphouse podcast). It's usually these guys who typify what people think of as ardent Bernie Bros.

  

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96. "Yeah...those dumb black folks falling for the okie doke again"
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smh

*sarcasm*

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125. "Replace dumb with loyal and I can rock with it"
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I think most Black voters are going to go with the most popular candidate UNLESS it’s a once in a lifetime candidate like Obama.

and Obama needed his wife and Oprah to help convince us he was legit. Early on no one really rocked with Obama. I had to do a lot of convincing with my dad and older relatives because voting for some dude named Obama over Hillary sounded crazy early on.

but it’s always funny how Black candidates get a shit ton of scrutiny over their record with Black folk while people like Biden get an easy pass. Then he says dumb shit and Black people are like “how could he?”

No one should be surprised. Biden has said some crazy shit over the years regarding Black folk.

shut up already, damn

  

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75. "I always forget, are you the mormon?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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132. "yup"
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69. "..."
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106. "Well at least it gave us another MonoNeon jam"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KTc92xpbe4

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108. "fuck him"
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dude is a creep around women

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117. "I have no idea what you're talking about"
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>dude is a creep around women

He walks softly around them? Peeks around corners?
I only ever see him around people when playing bass or in his videos (ex. Hot Cheetos), men or women, so you're gonna have to elaborate if you have some kind of point to make.

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119. "Maybe they were talking about Biden? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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122. "lol"
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This justin_scott dude has been doing this forever.
We were talking about Pacquiao over in sports, and this dude replies "fuck him" and proceeds to talk about Pac's political views. He'll go all the way off topic to get in his daily "fuck him." Shit weird.

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121. "justin_scott has ties to someone who aired out Mono Neon"
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123. "Still have no idea what he's talking about."
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Aired him out for what exactly?
Granted, he could've made another post, because this one isn't about MonoNeon, but since we here...
Say it if yall gon say it.

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112. "given biden's policy record against black america?"
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he should be doing whatever we tell him to.
Being that flippant to the demo that saved his damn campaign is wildly outta pocket.

  

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113. "He was trying too hard to be “hip” the whole interview, he needs..."
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better people on his team if they told him to do that. Who are the black people on his campaign staff?

  

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116. "Another friendly reminder of the Two America’s "
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Folks who know who Charlemagne is. And those who refer to him in generic terms like black interviewer



The latter rrallllly cares about this sound bite. Like a lot. Same folks who the only time they even think about black America is after sharing police shooting videos for internet points

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126. "LoL @ all yall stinding in the Candace Owens line now..."
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127. "Now? Everyone in her has been in their lines for months"
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One thing I will say is most of these folk been hating on Biden from day one and have been extremely vocal about not voting for him.


shut up already, damn

  

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128. "slowly becoming a parody of themselves"
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if they're not alread y there right now

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131. "He's about to do a live interview with Wolf Blitzer. Lord help him"
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Help him keep his feet firmly on the ground and away from his mouth

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133. "Looks like 5 months of Trump bad"
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May just be his best option...but that's not going to convince me to vote for him

Maybe he nails the VP pick, falls all the way back, and let's her lead...like Palin, but without the stoopid parts

IDK, there was absolutely no substance for his first interview in more than 2 months

LOL@Joebeenhidin...can't believe he said that

I am not looking forward to 4 more years of the white house staff translating what the POTUS meant to say

I'm old enough to remember when the POTUS was more often than not the smartest person in the room

SMH

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134. "Anybody want to post the highlights of Biden's career on minority issues..."
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Google only returns the you ain't black headline

He keeps saying...look at my record

So let's look at it

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/joe-biden-record-on-busing-incarceration-racial-justice-democratic-primary-2020-explained.html

This was the first non you ain't black link to populate

What am I missing?

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135. "Biden's a 80s republican/60s Dixiecrat, legistlatively"
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136. "this is what i don't understand"
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"the lesser of the two evils" do people not remember the past or what?? i guess
people are willing to overlook it

  

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137. "So Biden is just as bad as trump? This question is to anybody "
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Cause that seems to be the thrust of what some of you all are saying. And I just want people on the record with that stance, if that’s how y’all feel.

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138. "Look at my record = show it to me"
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Can’t make it anymore simple

I didn’t even call out the flatout lie...the naacp endorsed me everytime...

Show me his record.

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140. "Wasn’t the voting rights act repealed during the BHO administration?"
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Contradicts his extending voting rights 25Xs

....nothing...?

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141. "Reply 137 is a yes or no question "
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prototype

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142. "No, Trump bad. Your turn "
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143. "Who repealed section 4 of voting rights act?"
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"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
-Cee-Lo

"You’ve had 4 years of Trump University and are still failing the final exam smh"
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146. "dude aint even trying anymore."
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blaming obama for some shit done by republican appointed supreme court justices.

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154. "I think it stems from the fact he doesn't understand presidency/VP"
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Like on a basic level.

When you're asking shit like:

Why didn't Joe Biden stop police brutality during his Vice Presidency? Why did VRA get repealed under VP Joe Biden?

It's pretty clear that you don't understand government.

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
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149. "biden critic does not equal trump supporter"
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150. "It's a 2 party system."
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If one guy doesn't win, the other guy does.

You don't have to like it, but it's how it works.

  

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153. "That’s not what I asked."
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155. "to answer your question"
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yes, if not worse. liberal racists and the many levels of deceit is disgusting to me.

  

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156. "You trippin’ ... liberal racist are annoying af"
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but Trump is a whole next level with this shit.

shut up already, damn

  

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161. "trump and his kind are trash"
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we already know that, its not a surprise

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139. "*shrugs*"
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http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/650273

  

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144. "I think Biden meant well. Seems like he wants to be down. But senility....."
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Only gonna get worse. I don't get how dems think he's the best option to take down Trump, unless they really don't want to. Next few years gonna be messy-as-fuck. Dem master plan might be to wait it out until 2024 and let Trump take the weight.

  

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147. "“When the looting starts the shooting starts” - Trump"
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But yes let’s handwring ourselves into another 4 years of this motherfucker

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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148. "What if Trump isn’t the nominee?"
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Had a nightmare of a thought...but recently, there are signs they are moving away from him

Being that they are diabolical, what if they decide to remove him...say for his unwillingness to address a pandemic that’s killing 100s of thousands of people

Would ya’ll still cape this hard for creepy Joe?

I could see a guy like DeWine eating his lunch in the general

...just a thought...

SMDH@black specific policies being handwringing...do better

You’re saying Joe is going to reform law enforcement in ‘murica?

All those killings during the BHO administration...what’d Joe do?

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151. "It's hard to fathom that anyone could be this dumb."
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And he's done this before.

  

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152. "it's actually unpredictable what he'll post next"
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there's nothing I can do to put myself in that headspace

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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157. "Bruh.. lol"
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shut up already, damn

  

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158. "stop it slime. stop being ignorant."
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159. "what news do you be watching?"
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just curious so I don't end up like this


this is some kind of internet cave you're in

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163. "you might be the worst one"
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competition is stiff though. You're definitely up there

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160. "Donald Trump emboldens ignorant and hateful people"
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Anyone who doesn't understand why my vote is going to the lesser of two evils is an idiot or an agent.

  

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Reeq
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162. "jim clyburn with the powerful old school response to tim scott."
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https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1266469699489009666
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Rep. Clyburn on Sen. Tim Scott, who called Biden's B'club comments “condescending and arrogant": "Tim Scott supports Trump, and I don’t. If he can reconcile his blackness with Trump, that’s fine. I can’t reconcile mine with Trump."
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164. "charlamagne didn’t catch it..."
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he was so focus on his agenda that he didn’t catch the gaff until everyone started making a fuss about it...


  

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