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"Poll question: Is Trump A Worst President than George Washington?"


  

          

When Trump is mentioned as the worst President in US History people are quick to mention that Trump can't be the worst president ever, we had some presidents that own slaves. Now I get the arguments how George W Bush, Richard Nixon, Andrew Jackson or James Buchanan are worst than Trump, but is Trump really better than George Washington, James Madison and other founders who owned slaves?

Hard to reconcile. What you think?

Poll result (24 votes)
Trump the Worst (18 votes)Vote
GW and the other slave owner Presidents are the worst (6 votes)Vote

  

  

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Trying to imagine Trump as president in 1790
May 19th 2020
1
That Trump DEFINITELY would have own slaves is a good point.
May 19th 2020
5
There was a time when W was still the clear answer
May 19th 2020
2
W was never the clear answer
May 19th 2020
6
      Just because you said it doesn't make it correct
May 19th 2020
7
      Okay, explain why he is the absolute worst (or second)
May 19th 2020
8
           I'm just going to drop a link
May 19th 2020
9
                33rd of 45...um, that's pretty much what I said
May 19th 2020
10
                     He's not far from the bottom
May 19th 2020
14
      It’s hard to quantify because I wasn’t around for most Presidents
May 19th 2020
11
      My dude, W started an elective Never Ending War
May 19th 2020
17
Trump is worse
May 19th 2020
3
No lies told. Seeing him fire IG after IG and all his people going
May 19th 2020
12
RE: Trump is worse
May 20th 2020
41
      This is dumb. I hope nobody replies with anything but derision
May 20th 2020
42
RE: Is Trump A Worst President than George Washington?
May 19th 2020
4
When he said he could shoot someone in broad daylight
May 19th 2020
13
i wasn't alive for $500, Alex
May 19th 2020
15
You weren’t alive for Stalin, Hitler, or Khan
May 19th 2020
16
      I agree it's a strange response.
May 19th 2020
20
Probably the most unqualified
May 19th 2020
18
Why does being alive to understand something historical matter
May 19th 2020
19
      If nothing else the fact it's 2020 and there's more avenues
May 19th 2020
27
           Personal capacity matters less than actions
May 19th 2020
28
                thats his point lol
May 20th 2020
33
                     No, his point is Polk didn't display his ignorance publically.
May 20th 2020
34
Bad people vs Bad presidents
May 19th 2020
21
Building a system on the back of enslaving and breeding people is bad
May 19th 2020
23
Healthiness is bad for a virus.
May 20th 2020
43
I'm not talking about subjectively bad, I'm talking about objectively ba...
May 20th 2020
44
      You're talking about all of humanity vs a racist republic.
May 20th 2020
45
           RE: You're talking about all of humanity vs a racist republic.
May 20th 2020
47
                RE: You're talking about all of humanity vs a racist republic.
May 20th 2020
48
I don't think that you're wrong...
May 20th 2020
46
I agree that it sounds like Bad people vs Bad presidents
May 20th 2020
40
I can't believe I'm going to type out this phrase
May 19th 2020
22
That's not from lack of trying. This year started with an assissination
May 19th 2020
25
      Yep and all of this is (or will be) worse long term, probably.
May 19th 2020
30
If Trump could have slaves he'd be bitching about how unfair
May 19th 2020
24
No he'd have some of them killed, then prop up a house one to show his
May 19th 2020
26
I'm kinda shocked Drumf hasn't re-instituted slavery...
May 19th 2020
29
Instead of using the defense protection act to compel production of ppe
May 19th 2020
31
In my lifetime, Nixon, Regan & Bush were even worse (so far)...
May 20th 2020
32
Johnson or Jackson?
May 20th 2020
35
Yes Jackson, my mistake..
May 20th 2020
38
I think you're thinking of Andrew Jackson.
May 20th 2020
36
Easily Trump and it isn't close
May 20th 2020
37
Reiterating this seems more of worse president vs worse person
May 20th 2020
39
With you, and everyone above who made similar points, 100%.
May 20th 2020
49
that's a tough argument
May 23rd 2020
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Bambino Grande
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1. "Trying to imagine Trump as president in 1790"
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5. "That Trump DEFINITELY would have own slaves is a good point. "
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It definitely not the case that dude finds slavery more morally objectionable than any of the slave-owning presidents.


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2. "There was a time when W was still the clear answer"
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I’m not so sure now.

shut up already, damn

  

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6. "W was never the clear answer"
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I sad it then and I say it now, he's a mid pack president (bottom mid), butt far from the bottom)... looking objectively at his second term it was very average. His first term was obviously worse, but when you look at it, he largely made some terrible decisions early on and had to live with them for the rest of the time.

  

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7. "Just because you said it doesn't make it correct"
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8. "Okay, explain why he is the absolute worst (or second)"
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compared to ALL the other presidents. Because there were some stinkers if you go back through history.

  

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9. "I'm just going to drop a link"
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Tue May-19-20 02:57 PM by MEAT

  

          

As measured by historians Bush was a bottom tier president
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2017/?personid=3813

The things that buoy his dismal numbers in this poll are Public Persuasion (fox news/Karl Rove)
Crisis Leadership (um Katrina and all of the 2008 fiasco)
Relations with Congress (he only had 2 years with a Democratic majority party in either house)
Pursued Justice for all (come on)


He's quantifiably a bad president. And having 8 years to enact his shit over the span of a globe as opposed to a region magnifies that.

Bush is in a Regan, Nixon level of bad presidencies. Pillaging of domestic prosperity while driving America to be an overall global destabilizing force on multiple fronts.

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10. "33rd of 45...um, that's pretty much what I said"
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I said bottom of the mid rung of presidents. You said absolute bottom or second to it. Your link backs me up, and I agree with all that you wrote. 👍🏿

  

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14. "He's not far from the bottom"
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And he's only propped up from the bottom by fluff.
I think there needs to be a tier of presidencies based on the nature of the world.
There are very few tangible ways that you can reasonably compare the presidency of John Adams to Jimmy Carter


I'd bucket Washington to Lincoln
Johnson to Roosevelt the first
Taft to FDR
Truman to current.

Then of bucket one Jackson is the worst, bucket two Hayes, bucket three Wilson, bucket four Trump then Regan then Nixon then Bush

They'll get propped up by Historians because of their positives, but there has to be a net negative for war (Vietnam/Korea/Iraq), genocide (Trail of Tears), entrenching white supremacy (the Hayes compromise, most anything to do with the Supreme Court) and historians don't really do that.

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11. "It’s hard to quantify because I wasn’t around for most Presidents"
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Reagan was shit too but I was too young to really inhale all of his destruction.

W tho.. what he and Cheney did to our rights, our military and how Katrina played out. That shut was terrible.



shut up already, damn

  

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17. "My dude, W started an elective Never Ending War"
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when the real culprits were "allies" we protected and sell weapons to all the time.


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3. "Trump is worse"
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Early in this administration it was a question of is he worse than GWB or Reagan in dismantling the state.

Then he started to ramp up his fascism (the stealing of children and giving them to religious orgs without documentation or tracking policies that continue to this day and permanent encampments, specifically) and it became a question of is he worse than Andrew Jackson and his genocidal tendencies. Of the enslaver presidents Jackson is levels above (below) the rest.

But now he's doing something that none of the other presidents did which is strip down the country for parts. America is beholden to the personal and financial interests of one man and his family; and the leverage that buys the rest of the world in the interests of our country, land, and assets is completely unprecedented.

Even in the worst of times, the shitty presidents believed in and defended the country (not all people in the country, and not even necessarily the tenets of democracy) but the country itself.

There's not a single, not one, action Trump has done to benefit America. His core belief is that because he's president anything that helps him personally helps America and he's expressed this multiple times ("a president can't have conflicts of interest) and that's a flat out lie. In fact actions that benefit him directly almost always make this country worse.

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12. "No lies told. Seeing him fire IG after IG and all his people going "
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to jail and then getting off?

Smh..

shut up already, damn

  

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41. "RE: Trump is worse"
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Let’s wait and see how many invitations to Goldman Sachs he pulls in when he’s done. It’s all about the Tubmans after all. You could be right that he is profiting from his position. Let’s compare his increased net worth with Obama’s and the Clinton’s and see how it all shakes out.

  

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42. "This is dumb. I hope nobody replies with anything but derision"
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4. "RE: Is Trump A Worst President than George Washington?"
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Slave ownership is fucked up (an understatement), but it’s overt and outwardly fucked up. Trump’s racism and the racism he inspires in his supporters is some backwards ass bitch shit because they’re some “throw a rock and hide your hands” shit if you call them out on it.

“Ummm, yeah bitch, we ALL own slaves. You know how expensive it is to build a country from scratch?!” vs. “I’m sorry a nigger had to die, but I was exercising my right to a citizen’s arrest. What other rights are you gonna say I can’t have access to?!”

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13. "When he said he could shoot someone in broad daylight"
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and then said grab them by the pussy.

I think that pretty much put him at the top of the list.

shut up already, damn

  

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15. "i wasn't alive for $500, Alex"
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16. "You weren’t alive for Stalin, Hitler, or Khan"
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20. "I agree it's a strange response. "
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18. "Probably the most unqualified"
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then again I'm actually alive/an adult to see his Term

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19. "Why does being alive to understand something historical matter"
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Particularly when it's foundational to today and well documented, measured, and tracked over time.
You don't need to have been alive to recognize that the Ice Age was terrible for the capacity of living things

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27. "If nothing else the fact it's 2020 and there's more avenues"
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for the current guy to display his ignorance.


James K Polk might have been a giant dummy too, but he didn't have a Twitter account and video cameras around to capture him constantly doing moronic stuff

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28. "Personal capacity matters less than actions"
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33. "thats his point lol"
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34. "No, his point is Polk didn't display his ignorance publically."
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My point is that displays of ignorance are less consequential than the actual major actions that presidents perform.
Their gaffes and faux pas may be culturally memorable but the actions of the office have ramifications throughout history and change the trajectory of humanity.

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21. "Bad people vs Bad presidents"
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Carter isn't considered a great president but there's probably not a better man to have held the office.

I imagine some of those slave holders may have been good presidents and may have done good for the country (according to their times) but keeping people in bondage makes you a terrible human being.

45 is showing us that's he's terrible at both.

  

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23. "Building a system on the back of enslaving and breeding people is bad"
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You can't be a good president if you buildup a system from maximizing bad
Whether it's human beings via enslavement, manifest destiny ravaging the middle of America, expanding via the Louisiana Purchase ... it's not good.
If you bulldoze the amazon to build a field of hospitals for kids with cancer you're still doing something awful.
What the American presidency has been is about what's expedient for growth for the country, damn the costs. But the costs matter a lot.

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43. "Healthiness is bad for a virus."
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>You can't be a good president if you buildup a system from
>maximizing bad
>Whether it's human beings via enslavement, manifest destiny
>ravaging the middle of America, expanding via the Louisiana
>Purchase ... it's not good.
>If you bulldoze the amazon to build a field of hospitals for
>kids with cancer you're still doing something awful.
>What the American presidency has been is about what's
>expedient for growth for the country, damn the costs. But the
>costs matter a lot.


The question here is who the costs matter to and who finds them awful... and why.
They matter to you and I, because they affect you and I, but if we assume that the country and its "higher" principles weren't intended for you and I, we have a different discussion.

"This is how they view you" as the saying goes.

If black people are simply the necessary underclass, what negatively affects us isn't viewed as negatively affecting the country. In fact, what negatively affects us is often seen as exactly what's necessary to HELP the country (slavery being a prime example... controlling our population by any means, including murder, being another).

Depending on how you view it, being "good" for a country founded upon murder and deceitfulness can easily involve enslavement and more killing. Just like a virus, healthiness is bad for it.

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44. "I'm not talking about subjectively bad, I'm talking about objectively ba..."
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In the 80s people took crazy amount of steroids and broke all kinds of world records and didn't amazing feats of athleticism ... then their bodies broke down.

When you're dealing with humans, living in a world that came millions of years before them and will last millions of years after them maximizing the good for only a small number of people is not in the best interest of the planet or the species.

Eradicating cultures, humans, species, and ecosystems in the name of money and dominance is objectively bad.

Sodas are bad for me. I drink sodas anyways. Even if I was the CEO of Pepsi, sodas would still be bad for me. They'd just personally enrich me.

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45. "You're talking about all of humanity vs a racist republic."
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>In the 80s people took crazy amount of steroids and broke all
>kinds of world records and didn't amazing feats of athleticism
>... then their bodies broke down.


This is a fact with no point attached. According to this discussion, I would assume you're saying they did this for America in the Olympics, but I can't be sure.


>When you're dealing with humans, living in a world that came
>millions of years before them and will last millions of years
>after them maximizing the good for only a small number of
>people is not in the best interest of the planet or the
>species.


Some might argue that a good president does what's best for his country, not the planet or the species. This is how white supremacist logic appears to operate... and the country was founded by white supremacists. I want to reiterate that this is how you and I feel, of course, but I think it's important to keep in mind that this view isn't as common as many of us wish it was. White people would seriously destroy this planet and move to Mars before following higher moral principles for the sake of respecting non-white people.


>Eradicating cultures, humans, species, and ecosystems in the
>name of money and dominance is objectively bad.


Of course I agree.


>Sodas are bad for me. I drink sodas anyways. Even if I was
>the CEO of Pepsi, sodas would still be bad for me. They'd just
>personally enrich me.


Bad comparison. In this analogy, America would be the Pepsicola institution or your bank account... which the purchase and highly probable consumption of Pepsi would always be good for... yet still bad for humanity.


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47. "RE: You're talking about all of humanity vs a racist republic."
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You lost me. I'm going to summarize my original point that you responded to.

Marbles: Carter was a good man. Enslaving presidents were terrible people but maybe good presidents.

Me: You can't be a good president if you enslave people, because you're propping up and institutionalizing a destructive and unsustainable system.

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48. "RE: You're talking about all of humanity vs a racist republic."
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Umm.... ok.

No need to summarize, as I understood everything you said.

I'll assume you just don't want to continue, since you didn't ask for clarification of whatever I said that lost you... which is cool w/ me. No worries.

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46. "I don't think that you're wrong..."
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>You can't be a good president if you buildup a system from
>maximizing bad
>Whether it's human beings via enslavement, manifest destiny
>ravaging the middle of America, expanding via the Louisiana
>Purchase ... it's not good.
>If you bulldoze the amazon to build a field of hospitals for
>kids with cancer you're still doing something awful.
>What the American presidency has been is about what's
>expedient for growth for the country, damn the costs. But the
>costs matter a lot.

I just don't necessarily think that the Presidency of the United States is a position intended to be a force for good. It's not necessarily a position held by men of high moral character. I believe that it's use is intended to increase & maintain power for the US.

  

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40. "I agree that it sounds like Bad people vs Bad presidents"
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22. "I can't believe I'm going to type out this phrase"
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but Trump's one saving grace is that he hasn't started any new wars. Not to say he hasn't been a complete an utter disaster on an international level, but at least he doesn't have any wars he started of his own volition on his resume of incompetence.

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25. "That's not from lack of trying. This year started with an assissination"
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The withdrawl from Syria saw us lose a valuable ally in the Turks
He's abandoned Ukraine
In the last month he's asked his generals to fire upon Iranian ships


The ONLY ONLY reason he's not started a war is because he's aligned his personal interests to those countries most against us

So instead of fighting wars over assets and/or culture he's aligning with them an personally profiting off of them all while not protecting global democracy.

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30. "Yep and all of this is (or will be) worse long term, probably."
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24. "If Trump could have slaves he'd be bitching about how unfair"
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his slaves were to him.

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26. "No he'd have some of them killed, then prop up a house one to show his"
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Kindness
And he'd also rape many and often. Because he's a rapist.

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29. "I'm kinda shocked Drumf hasn't re-instituted slavery..."
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31. "Instead of using the defense protection act to compel production of ppe"
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He allowed prison labor to fill the gap.
That’s about as close as he can get

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32. "In my lifetime, Nixon, Regan & Bush were even worse (so far)..."
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....All time?? I mean, Andrew Johnson was pretty much the Trump of the time back then, a rich slave owner who put together a group of other rich southern slave owners to run shit and silence all anti-slavery talk. His treatment of Native Americans was awful as well, kicking them off their own land and shipping them west.

There's a lot of shitty humans who have been president. I feel like the only ones that were actual decent people are Obama and Jimmy Carter.


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35. "Johnson or Jackson?"
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38. "Yes Jackson, my mistake.. "
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36. "I think you're thinking of Andrew Jackson."
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Whom Trump explicitly models his administration on, BTW.

Johnson was shitty too, but in different ways.

  

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37. "Easily Trump and it isn't close"
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Trump only doesn't engage in chattel slavery because the constraints of the times he lives in.

He's obviously got no problem with human trafficking aka 'white slavery'.

Trump is constrained only by constraints that have been put in place to stop things like genocide. Not by any aversion to them. He doesn't lack the mentality, he lacks the mechanism.

Right today, as I type this, he is trying to find ways to withhold federal funds from states for supplying absentee ballots to their residents to disenfranchise people so that he can remain in power is unheard of.

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39. "Reiterating this seems more of worse president vs worse person"
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If black people are simply the necessary underclass, what negatively affects us isn't viewed as negatively affecting the country. In fact, what negatively affects us is often seen as exactly what's necessary to HELP the country (slavery being a prime example... controlling our population by any means, including murder, being another).

Depending on how you view it, being "good" for a country founded upon murder and deceitfulness can easily involve enslavement and more killing. Just like a virus, healthiness is bad for it. Is America a body with a virus? Or is it the virus itself?

That said, the answer to the "worse president" question would have to be Trump, because he'll run the whole country in the ground rather than just mistreating black folks as a means of keeping it afloat. As a black person tho, my answer to the "worse person" question is fuck all of 'em.

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49. "With you, and everyone above who made similar points, 100%."
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>RE: Reiterating this seems more of worse president vs worse person
>If black people are simply the necessary underclass, what
>negatively affects us isn't viewed as negatively affecting the
>country. In fact, what negatively affects us is often seen as
>exactly what's necessary to HELP the country (slavery being a
>prime example... controlling our population by any means,
>including murder, being another).
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>Depending on how you view it, being "good" for a country
>founded upon murder and deceitfulness can easily involve
>enslavement and more killing. Just like a virus, healthiness
>is bad for it. Is America a body with a virus? Or is it the
>virus itself?
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>That said, the answer to the "worse president" question would
>have to be Trump, because he'll run the whole country in the
>ground rather than just mistreating black folks as a means of
>keeping it afloat. As a black person tho, my answer to the
>"worse person" question is fuck all of 'em.

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50. "that's a tough argument"
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most of those early presidents at least did some good things for the presidency or the union, etc. trump doesn't even have that, though he isn't a slave owner (granted he would have been one and would still be one if he could today).

i can understand any vote for a slave owner president, or andrew jackson for multiple reasons, or nixon/reagan, but there's no way that either bush was worse.

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