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mista k5
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"Music streaming in 2020"


  

          

i know there are some older posts but lets discuss the current situation.

what do you use? are you subscribed to more than one service?

whats the best service to use to share playlists? spotify? do you need to have a premium account to do so? how private is your info when you share a playlist?

it looks like google play music is getting pretty close to being phased out. they released the transfer tool for youtube music. to be clear its not disappearing tomorrow, supposedly they will give plenty of notice before it does.
https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/05/12/google-will-kill-play-music-this-year-announces-youtube-music-migration-tool/

im on google play but the times ive tried youtube music it was bleh. if i can now add some songs to my playlists that have only been on youtube that will be cool but i imagine if theyre not officially licensed that would be killed soon enough right?

im hoping youtube music has some "smart" playlist capabilities that are good. i need to be able to manage my playlists through a browser. would be nice to be able to upload songs directly from my phone.

is anyone using youtube music exclusively?

im guessing i will give it a fair try once GPM shuts down but i definitely fear i might not stick with it.

  

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Spotify gang til' the casket dipz.
May 12th 2020
1
what do you like about it?
May 12th 2020
      well, i say this having used Tidal, Soundcloud, Google, Amazon...
May 12th 2020
3
           thats what im hoping for
May 12th 2020
4
           dawg, on spotify i have best of playlist for every year since 2012.
May 12th 2020
7
                how easy is it to manage them though?
May 12th 2020
10
                     RE: how easy is it to manage them though?
May 12th 2020
11
                          GPM has been tripping this year
May 12th 2020
14
                               Yeah GPM is in transition mode to Youtube Music...which sucks...
May 13th 2020
33
           man, tidal does all that...
May 12th 2020
26
                i know, but shittier.
May 12th 2020
28
                     lol
May 12th 2020
29
Too deep into Spotify to turn back now
May 12th 2020
2
Amazon for me, i hated Spotify
May 12th 2020
5
I left spotify for Google Play Music like five years ago
May 12th 2020
6
GPM was pretty great when it came out
May 12th 2020
8
      yeah. I'll be fine with youtube as long as I can do what I need to
May 13th 2020
31
spotify recommendation algorithm
May 12th 2020
9
Hulu has a music service?
May 12th 2020
12
lol. naw. Spotify offers free Hulu to new subscribers.
May 12th 2020
13
yup those daily mixes be on point.
May 12th 2020
18
This is really what got me to stick with it
May 14th 2020
76
As a DORF (Dead, Old, Retro, Foreign) music guy
May 12th 2020
15
do you make playlists on youtube?
May 12th 2020
19
y’all still not messing with Tidal?
May 12th 2020
16
NO!
May 12th 2020
17
lol
May 12th 2020
23
lol i got a code for 3 months of it
May 12th 2020
20
smh...
May 12th 2020
24
      i mean i have free apple music through my carrier
May 13th 2020
39
I keep trying...but it just don't stick...the interface & fact that they...
May 13th 2020
34
They still charging 20 bux a month?
May 13th 2020
36
      lol, it’s never been 20 bucks...
May 13th 2020
41
           tried it for nearly a year.
May 14th 2020
82
spotify is the least hassle for me.
May 12th 2020
21
does it offer an option to play different playlists on different devices...
May 12th 2020
22
      yeah you can do that.
May 12th 2020
27
           nah i meant from my phone
May 13th 2020
40
                yeah thats what i mean.
May 13th 2020
42
                     i guess i gotta try it lol
May 13th 2020
44
ive been rolling with rhapsody (now napster) for years...
May 12th 2020
25
I signed up for Qobuz (hi-fi streaming), the sound is whoaaaa
May 12th 2020
30
I was hoping for a Qobuz post. Thanks!
May 13th 2020
63
the Qobuz app lets you pick the quality
May 13th 2020
74
i might need to check it out
May 13th 2020
75
Apple Music all day. Still keep GPM subscription for the youtube perks
May 13th 2020
32
Same
May 13th 2020
59
Apple Music gang gang
May 13th 2020
35
I don't want no given away biscuit...
May 13th 2020
37
Tidal...
May 13th 2020
38
Tim Cook don't have a D'Evils in his catalog
May 13th 2020
43
the jay z catalog is on spotify now.
May 13th 2020
45
      LOL. yup. so, now there's no point in Tidal existing.
May 13th 2020
46
      i mostly want tidal because of the quality
May 13th 2020
47
      don’t you niggas EVER give me that black shi* ...
May 13th 2020
48
           AND Spotify is Swedish. Don't get much more white than that.
May 13th 2020
49
           again, tidal has all that...
May 13th 2020
51
                Spotify is on my LG smart TV.
May 13th 2020
53
                     I do the same thing with Tidal...
May 13th 2020
54
           the selling point was exclusive artists catalogs...of people I don't lis...
May 13th 2020
57
           I hear u too...
May 13th 2020
60
                maybe if I used playlists more
May 13th 2020
61
                     check it out...
May 13th 2020
64
                          I hope you're getting a check lmao
May 13th 2020
66
                               lol. I’m a rider...
May 13th 2020
69
           Say it louder for the people in the back!
May 13th 2020
67
      *weebay gif*
May 13th 2020
56
Spotify and Primephonic.
May 13th 2020
50
streamed flac = non-streamed flac?
May 13th 2020
55
      Yeah, in principle FLAC is FLAC.
May 13th 2020
58
           Unrelated, but questions about "Remastered" albums
May 13th 2020
65
                I think it varies.
May 13th 2020
68
Spotify for the auto playlists. Never felt the urge to shop around
May 13th 2020
52
Tidal + Spotify + Apple Music
May 13th 2020
62
clean playlists
May 13th 2020
70
Soundcloud doesn't get mentioned, but I pay for that too
May 13th 2020
71
I really like Soundcloud but wish there was a better way to sort/search
May 13th 2020
72
lol @ his reputation
May 14th 2020
79
finding something on soundcloud without already knowing exactly what
May 14th 2020
80
i usually only use soundcloud to hear that new track
May 13th 2020
73
      I don't think it would be so good as a main player
May 14th 2020
81
Spotify hands down.....
May 14th 2020
77
cosign all of this - especially comparing pandora to spotify. LULZ.
May 14th 2020
78
I don't see the downside of Apple music.
May 15th 2020
83
Youtube Music
May 15th 2020
84
Spotify finally removes its 10,000-song library limit
May 26th 2020
85
nice! Spotify here too.
May 26th 2020
86
whew fucking finally
May 26th 2020
87
GPM shutting down in October - Store in August
Aug 04th 2020
88

PROMO
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1. "Spotify gang til' the casket dipz."
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mista k5
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"what do you like about it?"


  

          

have you tried others?

i was looking into it and it seems to have quite a bit of features. it will probably be the first one i try if youtube music sucks.

  

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3. "well, i say this having used Tidal, Soundcloud, Google, Amazon..."
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(so, no experience with Apple music)

...it's just so fucking easy to use, to me.

that said, i've been on it since 2011. and, for the most part, it worked really well from the beginning and they haven't fucked up the good shit about it (a few small things, but overall they kept what works).

i'm a big playlist person, and it's really good for that. not only can i easily make and manage my own, but once the algorithm figures you out, it suggests playlists for you AND also creates playlists of music it thinks you'd like and you know what? a shit ton of the time there's music in there i really like that i wasn't familiar with (and i hear a ton of music because i make it my business to do so). on that point, i'm constantly on the lookout for new music and Spotify makes it easy to discover new music IMO. from their front page to the playlists they create based on your taste/listening habits.

so yeah, it just works for me. for what i want my streaming service to be it checks just about every box.

  

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mista k5
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4. "thats what im hoping for"
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>i'm a big playlist person, and it's really good for that. not
>only can i easily make and manage my own, but once the
>algorithm figures you out, it suggests playlists for you AND
>also creates playlists of music it thinks you'd like and you
>know what? a shit ton of the time there's music in there i
>really like that i wasn't familiar with (and i hear a ton of
>music because i make it my business to do so). on that point,
>i'm constantly on the lookout for new music and Spotify makes
>it easy to discover new music IMO. from their front page to
>the playlists they create based on your taste/listening
>habits.
>

i think im still trying to adapt to post windows media player life lol i miss being able to rate songs from 1-5 stars and create playlists based on a couple of clicks/filters. the biggest thing right now for me is creating running playlist for the year.

i basically want a best of 2020 playlist that only has my favorites, then another one that has all of those plus some songs that are great and that might move to my favorites with more listens. i have a third that is really just meant for sleepers that i thought were good but probably dont think would make my favorites, it would also include the songs in the previous two playlists. can this be automated with spotify?

  

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7. "dawg, on spotify i have best of playlist for every year since 2012."
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Tue May-12-20 04:55 PM by PROMO

  

          

i ALSO have a playlist of all the best songs of all those playlists, lol, and i listen to that shit more than anything.

that said, i'm not sure you can automate such a thing on any service. you still have to put the work in and make the lists yourself but on ANY particular song you're listening to at the moment you can quickly add it to any existing playlist of your own making. and of course you can just search for songs and add them to a playlist.

also, if you don't have the time to add a song to a playlist but you kinda like it and don't wanna forget it so you can revisit - you just click the heart (aka like) and EVERYTHING you like is saved in your music. then you can go back later and listen through your likes to see if you wanna "keep" the song or whatever. you can like songs, albums, playlists, podcasts, etc.

  

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10. "how easy is it to manage them though?"
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does it ever randomly remove songs from playlists (even though the songs are still on the service)?

if you have the best of for each year then a separate one that is the best of the decade would deleting the song from one of the playlists remove it automatically from the other?

  

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11. "RE: how easy is it to manage them though?"
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>does it ever randomly remove songs from playlists (even
>though the songs are still on the service)?

NOPE.

>>if you have the best of for each year then a separate one that
>is the best of the decade would deleting the song from one of
>the playlists remove it automatically from the other?

NOPE.

each playlist is unique and controlled ONLY by you if you created it. EVERY now and then, for reasons that are beyond me, you'll look through a playlist and see a song gray'd out meaning it won't play, but that means it's no longer on the service. but, that's pretty infrequent.

now, if it's a playlist that Spotify or another Spotify user created that you subscribe to - they always have the ability to change that.

  

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14. "GPM has been tripping this year"
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i dont know if its always been like this and i just noticed but it will suddenly be missing a whole album from a playlist. i do a search and the album is still available. or it will mess up the order of the playlist completely.

i do want to be able to link some playlists but i dont think anything does that. if i add a song to my "best of 2020" playlist i want it to add it to my 2020 playlist too.

  

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33. "Yeah GPM is in transition mode to Youtube Music...which sucks..."
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and i've lost all faith in Google and their lack of commitment to seeing a product all the way through...they just up and make a NEW product instead of fully realizing the potential of an existing on.
GPM lost me when they started making it impossible to search new releases by Genre. And they also started removing Genres.


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26. "man, tidal does all that..."
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28. "i know, but shittier."
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29. "lol"
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2. "Too deep into Spotify to turn back now"
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I’ve thought about Tidal and prolly should try it out again but I’m used to the UI or Spotify.

Premium too.

Can’t do commercials.

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5. "Amazon for me, i hated Spotify"
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people liked Spotify for the playlists but i dont trust peoples ears to make a playlist for me

when i want to discover music i use Pandora

  

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6. "I left spotify for Google Play Music like five years ago"
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no ads on youtube is a pretty good bonus tbh

there are things about the app/service I've never liked (they really want to push radio and algorithmic playlists that they don't do a very good job on)

but it's good.

no...it's on to youtube music eventually

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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8. "GPM was pretty great when it came out"
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they basically stopped developing it shortly after. yay google. its still good but definitely lacks features it should have. i wish youtube music was showing more promise.

if youtube music works like GPM with more features then cool. my short use with it has me worried though. it tends to repeat the same exact music when i put it on shuffle. doesnt keep track of the song it was on after i close the app. blah. hopefully all of that is working right when they do start pushing everyone on to it.

  

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31. "yeah. I'll be fine with youtube as long as I can do what I need to"
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but I feel like it's going to be super aggressively pushing their silly features which is not great.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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9. "spotify recommendation algorithm "
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is the only one that works for me.

i also get hulu for free. but that deal is no more for new subscribers...

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12. "Hulu has a music service? "
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13. "lol. naw. Spotify offers free Hulu to new subscribers."
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18. "yup those daily mixes be on point."
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76. "This is really what got me to stick with it"
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I finally decided to get off the pirate ship for New Year's (mostly because I never got on the FLAC train and the descendants of OiNK are almost entirely FLAC outfits at this point, so my account was suspended for bad ratio on V0 since nobody was snatching like they used to)


I went with Spotify out of both familiarity and it being what we use at work so I figured I could lin my account and play playlists I make from time to time. Then it turned out to be super cool running music or podcasts through my PS4 to replace background sounds on stuff like Apex Legends or MLB The Show and still have a headphone experience. Plus running music through my computer via my phone from anywhere is pretty clutch.


But I think the app itself runs like garbage compared to iTunes, mostly just because it's web-based. There are so many times on the desktop I'll go to search an artist or just load a Discover Weekly and just get a black screen for like 15 minutes. It always works flawlessly via my phone, except for the part where (especially podcasts) it'll just pause at random every minute or so until it finally gives up and lets me listen to what I'm trying to listen to.


That bit got annoying to the point I was ready to cancel as quarantine kicked in, but then since the restaurant was closed I got to listen to pretty much whatever I wanted at work and it turned out the Daily Mix and Discover Weekly algorithms were so clutch, feeding me all kinds of random stuff I might've downloaded and never listened to after adding it to my iTunes library. Weird Japanese punk and psych rock, cool new lo-fi and chill artists, great female folk musicians...the algorithm has been endless gold in a way I didn't really expect. It's wildly impressive how non-repetitive it is, but also how eager it is to go for new stuff over known quantities. The Daily Mixes offer up a decent amount of stuff I know but Discover Weekly is just a goldmine at least every other week.

One really interesting wrinkle that might just be confirmation bias is since linking it to my work's Sonos system, which mostly plays out of the restaurant or GM's account, Sonos seems to still communicate that information to my personal account. It's not consistent, but every once in a while I'll wake up to put some morning routine music on and it'll be offering up full albums from artists we shuffled through the evening before after hours. Again, that might not actually be happening, or maybe it's a Sonos information sharing thing, but it's pretty cool regardless even if it's fake news.



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15. "As a DORF (Dead, Old, Retro, Foreign) music guy"
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pretty much all I can use is regular Youtube. The only streaming servIces I've ever used have been Spotify anD Pandora and neither one of them has the depth of old, obscure, foreign music that I'm into (mainly Brazilian and Cuban).

  

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19. "do you make playlists on youtube?"
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or do you just do a search for an artist/song and let the algorithm take over?

im assuming you have youtube premium so you can turn off your screen if youre just listening right?

  

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16. "y’all still not messing with Tidal?"
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17. "NO!"
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stop asking. lol.

  

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23. "lol"
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gotta remind you...

  

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20. "lol i got a code for 3 months of it"
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i might go for it so i can use it with my home system. see if i can hear a difference in the quality. if they ever update the UI i might give it another chance as my daily streamer.

i like the idea of it. i think if i buy another record at bestbuy it gives me another 3 months but probably need a separate email to do so. if not, i might just keep doing that, buy a new record every 3 months to get tidal for free lol

  

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24. "smh..."
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I had to remind a friend how it’s free through their phone carrier. I find it weird how he’s practically given it away and folks still won’t use it...or, find something they like to continue using it...

Y’all some suckas, lol

  

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39. "i mean i have free apple music through my carrier"
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i have no interest in it. maybe if i had an iphone. the thing with music players is that you have to commit to one so you can build up your playlists. you cant keep bouncing back and forth. i would need to find an alternative use for tidal if i use the trial. using it on my phone sucked.

if they could fix it i would probably pay for it.

  

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34. "I keep trying...but it just don't stick...the interface & fact that they..."
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multiple tiers of sound quality just don't sit right with me....
Like buying the base model of a car and everytime the flagship model passes you on the highway you think to yourself "Damn"


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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36. "They still charging 20 bux a month?"
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Fuck that, I'm not responsible for what they did to the Cold Crush.

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41. "lol, it’s never been 20 bucks..."
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game for $9.99

  

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82. "tried it for nearly a year."
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never liked it. switched to spotify when they had a promo through my job months free.

its cool. I don't really do playlist.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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21. "spotify is the least hassle for me."
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all my playlists are in there. i can listen to something continuously/seamlessly going from different devices on desktop/home, working out, car, etc.

  

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mista k5
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22. "does it offer an option to play different playlists on different devices..."
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im the worst user lol

while im at work ill be playing one playlist but then when i go to lunch i want to switch to a different one then jump right back where i was at work. would be kind of cool to have a playlist for the car and one for headphones that continue where you left off each time.

i might be the only person that wants that though. im guessing most people do want to keep playing the same playlist when they go from a car to headphones.

i could probably just default to a different player when in the car, i think i tried it with youtube music but thats when i noticed it didnt keep playing where you left off.

  

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Reeq
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27. "yeah you can do that."
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you can choose whether you wanna play from your mobile device or your pc/desktop.

you just have to have the web player open in your browser if you wanna play/pickup the playlist thats open in your desktop on another device.

  

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mista k5
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40. "nah i meant from my phone"
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when i connect to my headphones i want it to keep playing playlist A when i connect to android auto i want to keep playing playlist B

  

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42. "yeah thats what i mean."
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on your phone...you can choose whether to continue the stream that you have playing on that phone (or another mobile device).

or you can choose to continue the stream that you have playing in the web player (pc/desktop).

basically multiple streams you can choose from.

i routinely alternate between the stream on my iphone/ipad, and the stream on my chrome os web browsers (chromebox/chromebook).

i havent messed around with it yet...but you can also go offline and play whatever playlist you downloaded there.

basically you can do what you are asking about lol.

  

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mista k5
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44. "i guess i gotta try it lol"
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should it work on the free version?

  

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25. "ive been rolling with rhapsody (now napster) for years..."
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no complaints other than shit drops in and out of your playlists from time to time but from what i understand they all have that issue

  

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30. "I signed up for Qobuz (hi-fi streaming), the sound is whoaaaa"
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doesn't have all the fancy algorithms that Spotify does, so its playlist game is a bit lacking, for an album-centric person like me it's great. It has nice curated articles, recaps the best reviewed albums (mostly based on French media but they have Pitchfork recs fwiw lol) and as dubious as I was about the sound quality going in it really does seem better to my ears than Spotify or Google Play when I compared them. At $20/mth I wasn't interested but they lowered it to $15 this year and you can prepay a year for $150 (~12/mth)

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63. "I was hoping for a Qobuz post. Thanks!"
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I just signed up 3 days ago after the Badu/Jill IG because I don't know much of their later discography and wanted to catch up. I learned about the Qobuz digital store last week...

Sidebar - I used to use HDTracks to purchase my hi-res albums for the last year or so, but it's limited in the fact that you can ONLY purchase albums. So when I learned about Qobuz and saw that you can buy individual songs, I was instantly a fan.

It took a few days to convince myself to sign up for the free trial for streaming. Tbh I haven't used it much and when I do, it's only on my Mac via my Sony A55 DAP/DAC. Idk how to get hi-res streaming on my iPhone yet. Or if it's even possible/worth it...


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74. "the Qobuz app lets you pick the quality"
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>Idk how to get
>hi-res streaming on my iPhone yet. Or if it's even
>possible/worth it...

you can go CD-level, 24 bit, etc. On a phone with regular headphones I see a tiny bit of extra clarity v say Spotify, but if you have a good DAC maybe you'd fully use the capabilities more

How do you stream your HD music? I'm tied to iTunes because I have 15+ years of stats/likes on there but I don't feel like my ALAC files sound noticeably better than 320 MP3. Whereas on Qobuz I do

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75. "i might need to check it out"
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32. "Apple Music all day. Still keep GPM subscription for the youtube perks"
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of no commercials....

  

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59. "Same"
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Also I have the De La catalog uploaded to my GPM library so I can stream it from there.

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35. "Apple Music gang gang"
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That's the only one I pay for. And I only subscribed for Q-Tip's Abstract Radio shows (which he hasn't done in a while )

I like Spotify's algorithm but I very rarely use it. Got some offer for a free year for Tidal but haven't looked into it.

I do really enjoy Mixcloud but they're adding/using restrictions I don't like like only playing a song 3-4 times in a month or something and certain mixes/accounts being Select now. It's still really dope though.

  

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37. "I don't want no given away biscuit..."
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38. "Tidal..."
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..full service streaming for entertainment (music, videos, podcast, concerts, etc.).




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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43. "Tim Cook don't have a D'Evils in his catalog"
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I don't know who run Spotify but does he have a Hard Knock Life? Exactly so GTFOH.

It's Tidal over here

  

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45. "the jay z catalog is on spotify now."
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46. "LOL. yup. so, now there's no point in Tidal existing."
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i mean, that's the way i see it.

also, it shows the strength of Spotify in that Jigga had to get down or lay down with his catalog.

Dr. Dre too. on Spotify now. he had to give it up as well. and he's Apple gang.

Spotify got the block locked down. Other services pay tribute.

  

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47. "i mostly want tidal because of the quality"
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im still not convinced that it really makes a difference but i want to try it out. i also think it gives back more to the artists but im not sure thats true.

glad that artists/labels are starting to get rid of exclusives but i dont know if it will last.

  

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48. "don’t you niggas EVER give me that black shi* ..."
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talking about how we don’t have anything
this one of the reasons why lol

  

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49. "AND Spotify is Swedish. Don't get much more white than that."
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THE 'CISM. LOL.

but for real though, i just think Tidal is an inferior product. not Jay's fault. it came in the game that way. the team Jay has over there has TRIED to spruce it up and done a few aight things, but Spotify just has shit mastered. they had it mastered before Jay even thought of buying Tidal.

also, personally, one small selling point (that other services may offer - i'm unaware of what the others are selling) is the Spotify family thing. Like, I pay $14.99 and me, my wife, my 20 year old and my 12 year old ALL have our own Spotify Premium (no adds, full content) accounts and I can STILL add one more person if I want.

  

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51. "again, tidal has all that..."
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the family plan
plus it’s on Roku, Wave and I’m sure other places but those I use...

we trying to build tho
can’t “catch up” without support...

  

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53. "Spotify is on my LG smart TV."
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that's honestly the 2nd highest usage for me.

especially during this quarantine cuz my TV bumps. so, when i can't find shit to watch (which is way too often during this time) i just put one of my playlists on the TV and vibe.

  

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54. "I do the same thing with Tidal..."
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**punches you in the face**

  

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57. "the selling point was exclusive artists catalogs...of people I don't lis..."
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So there was no need to even try lol. I hear u, and I kinda want to try out the 'better audio quality' buttttttt I'd have to be dead bored lmao

  

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60. "I hear u too..."
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Im uncomfortable with the fact that folks won’t even give it a shot
especially since it has mostly the same thing as any other streaming provider...







  

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61. "maybe if I used playlists more"
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It has liner notes right? And I think they payout artists more. That is pretty dope. Maybe I can do the free thing and just loop Outkast albums lol

  

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64. "check it out..."
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A while back someone made a post about original songs sampled by hip hop classics. I have all 200 songs in a playlist. I run in when I have guest.

I also like the customized mixes

tidal was the first to have up d-nice playlist up too
plus everyone after that...


  

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66. "I hope you're getting a check lmao"
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Not gonna lie I will probably never try it. But you make great arguments

  

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69. "lol. I’m a rider..."
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67. "Say it louder for the people in the back! "
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--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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56. "*weebay gif*"
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50. "Spotify and Primephonic."
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And when I really care about audio quality, CD's or non-streamed CD-quality FLACs. (Not that I have a problem with streaming FLAC. It's just that I usually listen to streamed music while I'm walking to work, and the extra fidelity of lossless audio isn't necessary then.)

Mainly I just came in to comment that "high-resolution audio," anything beyond "CD quality," is just empty marketing. In the acoustics class I teach we do a demo measuring people's frequency response. Most college students can't hear frequencies higher than about 16kHz. I (and probably most of us in here) can't hear frequencies above about 13kHz. Very robust mathematical theorems tell us that we can encode all the information in a sound using a sample rate that's twice the highest frequency present. So most of us wouldn't be able to detect the difference between audio encoded at any sample rate above about 30kHz. The best ears can hear up to 20kHz, so in the best case scenario, 40kHz sampling is plenty. The compact disc standard is 44.1kHz, so that already gives a little buffer for slightly superhuman listeners.

Also, even if you do have superhuman ears, the music you're listening to was recorded on microphones that only responded up to about 20kHz. So there's nothing there to hear even if you could hear it.

It's a similar story for "bit depth" (16-bit vs 24-bit or higher). Our ears can't detect the dynamic distinctions that those extra digits encode, and even if they could, audiophile-quality microphones don't accurately record them and audiophile-quality speakers don't accurately reproduce them.

And don't even get me started on vinyl.

  

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55. "streamed flac = non-streamed flac?"
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not sure if youre saying that or not.

im considering finding higher quality sound for at home listening and maybe in the car. i should be able to hear a difference between a streamed flac and the average streamed audio right?

ive mostly stopped adding new downloads. if i buy an album that comes with a download i will get it but im not searching for albums anymore. i will cache some on GPM but no more zips. i dont really want to deal with managing a local library on top of my streaming service.

  

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58. "Yeah, in principle FLAC is FLAC."
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So whether it's streamed or not it's still CD quality audio, which is everything a human can hear.

The one caveat is that you'd need your network to be able to handle that much data. Something on the order of a megabit per second. But that's nothing compared to people's home wifi connections or 4G cellular connections (as long as your connection is relatively stable). If you can stream video, you can definitely stream FLAC.

>im considering finding higher quality sound for at home
>listening and maybe in the car. i should be able to hear a
>difference between a streamed flac and the average streamed
>audio right?

Yes, but it depends on the scenario. In a quiet room, free of distractions, with good speakers or headphones, the difference between CD/FLAC and even high-quality lossy formats is quite audible.

In any scenario with significant background noise or mental distractions I imagine the difference is mostly a placebo effect. I'll admit I don't fully follow the psychoacoustics literature on this (though I'm sure people have done the measurements), but this is why I personally view lossless audio as mainly important for home audio.

>ive mostly stopped adding new downloads. if i buy an album
>that comes with a download i will get it but im not searching
>for albums anymore. i will cache some on GPM but no more zips.
>i dont really want to deal with managing a local library on
>top of my streaming service.

I'll admit, even I've kinda stopped managing a local library. I used to be pretty militant about this ("I wanna own my music, not just rent it!"), but the convenience makes up for a lot of the flaws of the streaming world. And now that home wifi is more than enough for lossless streaming, there's really no reason not to.

I'll still always keep a CD player around and something capable of reading thumb drives, but increasingly for me that'll be just about rare things that can't be found on the streaming services.

  

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65. "Unrelated, but questions about "Remastered" albums"
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I read your comment about how hi-res can be empty marketing, especially if the equipment that recorded the music isn't up to par.

What's your take on remastered albums? I'm quite skeptical... still trying to get a grasp on what goes on to remaster an album, but is it even worth it?
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68. "I think it varies. "
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I'm not an audio engineer, so I'm sure there are a lot of practical issues I'm not up on.

The issue is whether there was data on the original recordings that somehow didn't make it into the masters and the public releases. In some cases there are actual errors in the original master that might become more apparent with better technology and might need to be fixed. But that's a case-by-case thing.

More commonly, remastering has been necessary when there's been a major change in the consumer format. Like when consumers first transitioned from vinyl to CD the existing masters had been produced for the vinyl format, which is not as good with high frequencies and is more forgiving on the noise floor. So a lot of the early CD releases were not as good as the technology allowed. So a few years into the CD era there was a wave of remasters and I think those were largely justified. On the other hand, late in the CD era there was another round of "remasters" that were really just repackaging with better liner notes, etc.

In the modern era, it's all more complicated. In principle FLAC or other lossless formats produce audio that's identical to CD, so masters made for CD ought to be perfectly good for FLAC. Lossy formats really do differ audibly, so in principle there could be a value in remastering specifically for some given lossy format. But I've never heard of anyone trying to do that. Usually we think of remastering when we're transitioning to higher-fidelity formats. The perverse thing about the last 20 years is that we slowly transitioned to lower-fidelity formats and now we have enough bandwidth to transition back up to CD-quality.

At any rate, while again I'm not really an expert on the finer details I mostly think of the modern value of remastering being about fixing errors in the original master, which did happen quite a lot but the case-by-case fixes have been happening for a long time already.

All that said, there could be some revolutionary technologies coming up that might use machine-learning algorithms to do things that were impossible with older technologies, things like lowering the noise floor and fixing other defects that were present even in the original recordings. Pristine audio of early Louis Armstrong, Robert Johnson, that sort of thing. I'd say that's about a decade away from large-scale mainstream use, and when it comes it might be very controversial, but it might give remastering a whole new meaning.

  

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52. "Spotify for the auto playlists. Never felt the urge to shop around"
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Their auto generated playlists are the main selling point to me. They know me better than I know myself

It knows what type of stuff I like and creates a new release playlist every week (release radar)

It creates a playlist every week of stuff that I might like that's not necessarily new, but new to me (discover weekly)

Couple of new ones (On repeat and repeat rewind) capture the songs that I can't stop playing.

And like 5 daily mixes with different flavors that I can throw on any time and be happy.

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62. "Tidal + Spotify + Apple Music"
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Each has different benefits and use cases.

Tidal - great for music videos and live events
Spotify - great for generated mixes and playlists
Apple - great for syncing my personal music collection

So yeah I pay for all three and every time I think about canceling one I think about its use case and value it provides and never do lol

I do wish there was a way to add an album to my library on all three platforms at the same time if it is available. I definitely do not keep my libraries in sync and the algorithms could be so much richer if they were.

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70. "clean playlists"
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i dont really deal with this anymore but i used to keep a separate playlist with clean versions of songs for when i did uber.

does any app let you just do this by clicking a button instead of having to find the clean versions and make another playlist?

i know GPM has a button so you will only play clean songs in a station but not on a custom playlist.

  

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71. "Soundcloud doesn't get mentioned, but I pay for that too"
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no ads

people complain about music getting yanked, but there's a ton of remix stuff on there still and good stuff popping up constantly.

it also has the best algorithmic suggestions in my experience

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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72. "I really like Soundcloud but wish there was a better way to sort/search"
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you'll probably call me an imbecile but whatever. It definitely has some exclusive tracks and mixes that I enjoy

  

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79. "lol @ his reputation"
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>you'll probably call me an imbecile but whatever

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80. "finding something on soundcloud without already knowing exactly what"
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you're searching for is....basically impossible

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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73. "i usually only use soundcloud to hear that new track"
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that isnt yet up somewhere. ive never tried it as a main player. i have listened to a few albums in full on there just because they werent available on GPM.

  

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81. "I don't think it would be so good as a main player"
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but as a secondary it's dope
www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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77. "Spotify hands down....."
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It's been mentioned here a lot already but their algorithms are incredible. The amount of great shit I've found just based off of my own taste is great. I was strictly an Ipod guy all the way up to a few years ago and Spotify won me over.

It's UI is simple and everything just feels right up front. Not a ton of jumping between screens and extra bullshit. Just the music.

Apple and Tidal are trying to do too much extra shit up front. I don't care about all of that. I just want curated music. Just make listening to music better. Don't try and sell me more shit.

I've never used Google's service so can't speak on that.

Also to the person who said they find new music on Pandora and doesn't need a service like Spotify. GTFOH. Just stop.

  

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78. "cosign all of this - especially comparing pandora to spotify. LULZ."
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>It's been mentioned here a lot already but their algorithms
>are incredible. The amount of great shit I've found just
>based off of my own taste is great. I was strictly an Ipod
>guy all the way up to a few years ago and Spotify won me over.
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>It's UI is simple and everything just feels right up front.
>Not a ton of jumping between screens and extra bullshit. Just
>the music.
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>Apple and Tidal are trying to do too much extra shit up front.
> I don't care about all of that. I just want curated music.
>Just make listening to music better. Don't try and sell me
>more shit.
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>I've never used Google's service so can't speak on that.
>
>Also to the person who said they find new music on Pandora and
>doesn't need a service like Spotify. GTFOH. Just stop.

  

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83. "I don't see the downside of Apple music."
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84. "Youtube Music"
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so i saw that GPM will be phased out by the end of the year. i also learned that YTM increased the playlist limit from 1000 GPM limit to 5000. cool, don't think this is brand new but new to me. Also you can upload 100,000 songs instead of 50,000. intrigued.

i still havent received the notice to transfer my library but i think im going to try out youtube music at least in my car. i decided to try out the "your mix" auto playlist. i think before i had tried the "your likes" playlist which was garbage since it only play the few songs i had liked in youtube lol too early to say if your mix is better.

i also decided to see what options i have on managing my music on a browser with YTM. i tried to create a playlist and it asked me to create a channel. uh what. who?? why?

i did a little research and saw i can create a "brand" account so im gonna go with that. i dont have any plans to get subscribers or anything but i also dont want all my info out there if i do share a playlist with someone. hows the privacy work on that? i was browsing reddit and found a sub for youtube music playlists. i clicked a few and saw there was no account info, just the name of the playlist and the songs in them. thats cool but is that by default?

once i created the brand it gave me a choice on which account to use for youtube. i selected the brand account and now the youtube music is blank. i see i can swap between accounts. now i gotta decide if i start building this brand account as my day to day account for youtube music or if there is a reason to default to my regular account. fun times

  

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85. "Spotify finally removes its 10,000-song library limit"
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for what its worth

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/26/21270409/spotify-song-library-limit-removed-music-downloads-playlists-feature

  

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86. "nice! Spotify here too."
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I don't think any of may playlists are that deep, but nice to know.

  

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87. "whew fucking finally"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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mista k5
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88. "GPM shutting down in October - Store in August"
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https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/youtube-music-will-replace-google-play-music-end-2020/

You will be able to transfer your data/music through December.

I was really hoping they would keep a store when they switched to YTM. Buying music on Google is where I would spend most of my Play credit. That said, I was hardly ever counting on digital files of music I bought to listen to. Only the old stuff that isn't available to purchase or stream. This news still gives me the biggest pause about actually switching to Youtube Music.

I am hoping that with them no longer selling music it gives them more licensing options for streaming music. I don't know that there is any connection to that though.

  

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