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"Poll question: Who will be Biden's VP?"


          

This may likely be the most consequential VP selection in recent memory, given Biden's clear deficiencies.

Make the case for who his VP should be.

Poll result (55 votes)
Kamala Harris (23 votes)Vote
Julian Castro (0 votes)Vote
Stacey Abrams (10 votes)Vote
Elizabeth Warren (11 votes)Vote
Amy Klobuchar (7 votes)Vote
Other (name) (4 votes)Vote

  

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
KH
Mar 10th 2020
1
Delete this BULLSHIT
Mar 10th 2020
2
He needs a young, strong task-manager at VP
Mar 11th 2020
20
Klobuchar. It's gotta be a lady. And I don't think Kamala adds much
Mar 10th 2020
3
Klobuchar got baggage so that's a no for her
Mar 10th 2020
5
      What baggage?
Mar 10th 2020
6
           Myon Burrell
Mar 10th 2020
12
nina turner.
Mar 10th 2020
4
Keep an eye out for Val Demings.
Mar 10th 2020
7
Why Abrams?
Mar 10th 2020
8
RE: Why Abrams?
Mar 10th 2020
10
      RE: Why Abrams?
Mar 12th 2020
72
      Why?
Apr 22nd 2020
309
Interesting.
Mar 10th 2020
9
never thought of that. does that seem like the party's style though?
Mar 11th 2020
19
      It couldn't just be about impeachment, I agree.
Mar 11th 2020
52
Here's why I think Warren may be a smart choice
Mar 10th 2020
11
I love(d) E-Dubs but I'm not sure her performance in the primary ...
Mar 10th 2020
15
Hillary Clinton
Mar 10th 2020
13
Bernie
Mar 10th 2020
14
hell naw lol
Mar 11th 2020
18
Biden Bros not smart enough to unify the left...
Mar 11th 2020
38
I have no clue. There's rumors here in MI that it might be the gov
Mar 10th 2020
16
Old Spice
Mar 11th 2020
17
I think it should be Warren
Mar 11th 2020
21
Would that make sense given the lack of endorsement as of yet
Mar 11th 2020
23
      Maybe
Mar 11th 2020
30
she wouldn't do it, but you know who would lock this up for him
Mar 11th 2020
22
Horrible choice
Mar 11th 2020
24
For so many reasons.
Mar 11th 2020
27
a horrible choice that has a 00.01% chance of losing
Mar 11th 2020
28
      How does Condi help Biden win ?
Mar 11th 2020
45
oh nah. That would fuckin end it for me
Mar 11th 2020
29
Hell to the No!
Mar 11th 2020
31
Hell to the No!
Mar 11th 2020
Hell to the No!
Mar 11th 2020
Hell to the No!
Mar 11th 2020
32
that will drive up the young progressive vote!
Mar 11th 2020
33
because they've sure been turning out for bernie, huh?
Mar 11th 2020
34
      are you aware Bernie has 684 of the delegates?
Mar 11th 2020
36
      you gotta win some states to win the nom
Mar 11th 2020
37
           ok no prob, sorry if i came off rude.
Mar 12th 2020
64
      even more reason to find someone that connects with them.
Mar 11th 2020
39
Perfect. Change nothing
Mar 11th 2020
42
I don’t like it
Mar 11th 2020
47
      You should like it!
Mar 11th 2020
49
           But you keep real liberals happy because that war criminal
Mar 11th 2020
51
lmao I love OKP.
Mar 11th 2020
44
when in doubt, just lean right
Mar 11th 2020
50
      i mean, we DO live in a center right country unfortunately
Mar 11th 2020
53
           fair point. that's why engaging younger voters at this juncture is key
Mar 11th 2020
55
                yep i get that
Mar 11th 2020
56
^^^look at all these SEXISTS^^^
Mar 18th 2020
230
Only real choice for us is to #WriteInBernie
Mar 11th 2020
25
its def getting a lot harder to tell.
Mar 11th 2020
26
James Carville picks Gretchen Whitmer
Mar 11th 2020
35
Warren was my candidate, don't need her to be the VP though.
Mar 11th 2020
40
*fist pump*
Mar 11th 2020
41
I would be disappointed with anyone other than a black woman.
Mar 11th 2020
43
Ayo
Mar 11th 2020
46
RE: Ayo
Mar 11th 2020
48
I wouldn't be disappointed if the VP isn't a Black woman.
Mar 12th 2020
68
really should be a progressive IMO Pressley? Baldwin?
Mar 11th 2020
54
I think it would be a mistake to think the goal would be to get new vote...
Mar 11th 2020
59
      fair point...I somewhat misspoke
Mar 11th 2020
60
           I think Kamala has the benefit of being ready to be President
Mar 12th 2020
61
The Hologram of Harold Washington
Mar 11th 2020
57
LMAO
Mar 11th 2020
58
my n...
Mar 12th 2020
71
Status Quo Joe’s Cabinet = retun to normalcy
Mar 12th 2020
62
Yea expect the old boys to be back
Mar 12th 2020
63
I can't blame people for setting the bar low at a time like this
Mar 12th 2020
65
      you absolutely can
Mar 12th 2020
66
           I agree but apparently most americans do not
Mar 12th 2020
67
Not the exciting pick, but Klobuchar makes the most sense
Mar 12th 2020
69
this is horrifying
Mar 14th 2020
83
I will veto M4A (c) Status Quo Joe
Mar 12th 2020
70
I have no empathy for the younger generation (c) Status Quo Joe
Mar 13th 2020
73
dude already has a highlight reel of egregious gaffes & fight tapes
Mar 13th 2020
74
Ugh. I've been avoiding this post lol. Feels like ppl are sleepwalking
Mar 13th 2020
75
hosting jimmy kimmel really boosts your vp chances eh?
Mar 13th 2020
76
lol nah
Mar 13th 2020
79
damn you came with a well-sourced thesis response on this lol
Mar 13th 2020
77
      lol! the vp talk strikes a nerve
Mar 13th 2020
78
Paul Ryan was correct (c) Status Quo Joe
Mar 14th 2020
80
Jesus Christ thats terrifying
Mar 14th 2020
81
Chopped up
Mar 14th 2020
82
them niggas might as well be trump supporters at this point.
Mar 14th 2020
85
      Yep they need to break out the red hats and start wearing them
Mar 14th 2020
88
you should be embarrassed sharing something that obviously chopped
Mar 14th 2020
94
      FACT CHECK: JOE BIDEN HAS ADVOCATED CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY FOR 40 YEARS
Mar 14th 2020
95
           why are you yelling
Mar 14th 2020
96
                ^^^ offended by cut and paste
Mar 16th 2020
156
Average Joe fumbling through a virtual town-hall, barely able to speak
Mar 14th 2020
84
if only retweets were votes lol.
Mar 14th 2020
86
      This the Dem nom you've been hyping for months fam.
Mar 14th 2020
87
           your king is 0-2 in primaries fam.
Mar 14th 2020
89
                lol @ 'your king' -- Sanders is a flawed candidate - like them all
Mar 14th 2020
90
                     *hands you a donut and a cup of water*
Mar 14th 2020
91
                     the person who did the study specifically says it doesn't prove anything
Mar 14th 2020
97
                          That’s not the point of the article. But be big sad if you’d like
Mar 14th 2020
98
                               the study did not provide any data supporting or disproving that
Mar 23rd 2020
264
hmm
Mar 14th 2020
92
biden endorses warrens bankruptcy bill.
Mar 14th 2020
93
biden endorses plan for tuition-free public colleges & universities
Mar 15th 2020
99
Imagine the left wing called Pete Republican/Center-Right over this
Mar 15th 2020
100
      everybody who doesnt pray to bernie is a republican to them.
Mar 15th 2020
106
Debate heating up
Mar 15th 2020
101
Bernie gotta throw some big shots. He's down on the cards
Mar 15th 2020
102
but youre calling for him to be meaner.
Mar 15th 2020
104
      no, I'm calling for him to be more aggressive - which he's doing now
Mar 15th 2020
107
           bernie is a leader with no signature legislation in 30 yrs of congress?
Mar 15th 2020
110
                Seems Biden thinks so; now that he's following Sanders on policy
Mar 15th 2020
119
                     he understands he needs a pitch to bernie voters to unify the party.
Mar 15th 2020
121
                          Exactly - Biden is a blank-check; can be manipulated to do whatever
Mar 15th 2020
126
                               this is pretty bad even for you.
Mar 15th 2020
127
                               Isn't that kinda the point ?
Mar 15th 2020
128
                                    biden is doing *exactly* what vex has said he needs to do.
Mar 15th 2020
129
                                    right? his meltdown is getting sad at this point
Mar 15th 2020
133
                                    lol that's who you think has been driving Biden's bad policies?
Mar 15th 2020
132
                                         lol damn you are an embarrassment.
Mar 16th 2020
144
A woman, according to the debate tonight
Mar 15th 2020
103
biden already won the night with the vp and supreme court pledges.
Mar 15th 2020
105
      lol nice to see your bar is as low as David Frum's
Mar 15th 2020
108
           you follow david frum?
Mar 15th 2020
111
                you must - you just essentially retweeted him.
Mar 15th 2020
118
                     a ton of journalists mirrored the same sentiment.
Mar 15th 2020
122
                          damn fam you sure love you some CNN & Joey Biden
Mar 15th 2020
123
                               you didnt accuse me of being paid by them. youre making progress.
Mar 15th 2020
125
                                    if you're not you're slipping.
Mar 15th 2020
131
bernie is losing it over this cuba/china/etc segment.
Mar 15th 2020
109
he shouldn’t have agreed to this debate..
Mar 15th 2020
112
i feel bad for him.
Mar 15th 2020
114
damn bernie completely deflected on his lack of black support.
Mar 15th 2020
113
How hard is it to articulate
Mar 15th 2020
115
      im shocked he wasnt ready for that.
Mar 15th 2020
117
is bernie really tryna say he would bring unprecedented turnout
Mar 15th 2020
116
only saw the last half hour
Mar 15th 2020
120
Welp. Commited to woman VP + adopted progressive platform changes
Mar 15th 2020
124
I'm guessing Amy due to location
Mar 15th 2020
130
      I'm coming around on Abrams. If they're gonna prioritize box-checking,
Mar 16th 2020
154
Damn.. y’all love some Biden
Mar 15th 2020
134
This was supposed to be where he got exposed, right?
Mar 15th 2020
135
His voting record was exposed.
Mar 16th 2020
136
Biden did well enough to win the nomination last night
Mar 16th 2020
137
      True... he did fine
Mar 16th 2020
138
      Yea that exchange was v bad hahah. Bern was like "go 'head bruh"
Mar 16th 2020
145
      lol that's pretty funny
Mar 16th 2020
152
      It was like 2 old dudes arguing over women in their past
Mar 16th 2020
158
      that was pretty funny
Mar 16th 2020
160
      bernie was largely rudderless because he has no real objective
Mar 16th 2020
141
           except I never said he should be "less cordial"
Mar 16th 2020
149
           this
Mar 16th 2020
153
           RE: how the levers of government actually work.
Mar 16th 2020
162
                Public Health Experts: Single-Payer Systems Coping With Coronavirus More...
Mar 16th 2020
169
           i wasnt really sure what bernie was trying to accomplish last night
Mar 16th 2020
161
you really be flustered when people dont stan for bernie.
Mar 16th 2020
140
      Nah.. but I’m not gonna nut hug Joe until the general
Mar 16th 2020
146
So...BHO didn’t actually do anything...it was ALL Biden
Mar 16th 2020
139
How do Joe and Kamala get past "that little girl was me"?
Mar 16th 2020
142
That's the greatest storyline ever for a convention.
Mar 16th 2020
143
Stop being dramatic. Shit happens every 4 years.. lol
Mar 16th 2020
148
Easy. Same way Hilldawg got over Obama spanking that azz
Mar 16th 2020
147
By, instead, selecting a female running mate who competently led
Mar 16th 2020
150
was that really that contentious?
Mar 16th 2020
157
Yup.. but WE talk about Cruz like he is a lil bitch for bending the knee
Mar 16th 2020
159
      he is... and worse.
Mar 16th 2020
165
      oh he definitely is lol
Mar 16th 2020
168
           I know he is.. lol.
Mar 16th 2020
183
political opportunism
Mar 16th 2020
179
      Fam, they are on the same team and have no light between them on policy....
Mar 17th 2020
194
what would bidens priorities be if elected?
Mar 16th 2020
151
shouldn’t we know that at this point in the process
Mar 16th 2020
155
The sign language through the nursing home window...
Mar 16th 2020
163
I hate these little anecdotes that candidates use
Mar 16th 2020
164
The bankruptcy bill, social security cuts, iraq war
Mar 16th 2020
166
      He doesn't think it matters
Mar 16th 2020
167
Because 99% of ppl don’t care whether they tell the truth or not
Mar 16th 2020
170
      Apparently, they did in 1988
Mar 16th 2020
174
           yeha but im squarely a Anybody But Trump guy
Mar 16th 2020
178
                RE: yeha but im squarely a Anybody But Trump guy
Mar 16th 2020
181
yall really hating julian
Mar 16th 2020
171
because he looks like an alien
Mar 16th 2020
172
im pretty sure he was born in the usa
Mar 16th 2020
173
      I'm pretty sure he was born in Uncanny Valley
Mar 16th 2020
176
           ya'll missed each other with two amazing takes.
Mar 17th 2020
184
                nah I think we heard each other lol
Mar 17th 2020
203
I'm hoping he ends up as Sec of DHS, personally.
Mar 16th 2020
175
      he definitely needs more exposure
Mar 16th 2020
177
Illinois Airs Primary Results Before Election
Mar 16th 2020
180
If the results tomorrow are close it’s suspect as hell.. lmao.
Mar 16th 2020
182
That Roque De La Fuente is gonna give Trump a real fight
Mar 17th 2020
185
Wait... who?
Mar 17th 2020
187
lol cmon man.
Mar 17th 2020
186
Yang is the only one who would...
Mar 17th 2020
188
Hillary will be the VP. Biden's then gonna have an "accident..."
Mar 17th 2020
189
dont call it a comeback
Mar 17th 2020
190
Dear sweet baby Jesus, please be abrams
Mar 17th 2020
191
I don't even think it matters. or rather... let me correct that
Mar 17th 2020
192
bernie surrogates blaming the dnc for primary election decisions
Mar 17th 2020
193
i see people pushing for warren as vp but she doesnt add anything imo.
Mar 17th 2020
195
She still did better than Kamala and led a functional campaign org.
Mar 18th 2020
212
Kamala brings nothing to the table
Mar 18th 2020
216
agreed.
Mar 18th 2020
227
damn you hatin on a sista!
Mar 18th 2020
217
Lol, I don't hate Kamala. But I *was* extremely disappointed with her
Mar 18th 2020
226
Performance in the primary isn't a good metric either, though.
Mar 18th 2020
224
      I hear where you're coming from. I acknowledge my bias on this
Mar 18th 2020
228
they seem like a weird match
Mar 18th 2020
214
bloomberg still pulling votes from biden in fl smh.
Mar 17th 2020
196
tulsi gabbard currently coming in behind 4 candidates not running.
Mar 17th 2020
197
Lol losing to people who are not in the race
Mar 17th 2020
208
big boost in turnout projected in fl primary. even in a pandemic.
Mar 17th 2020
199
fl voters trust biden over sanders on social security by big margin.
Mar 17th 2020
202
      Damn Bernie people was pushing the social security attack hard
Mar 17th 2020
207
           he hired a worse campaign staff this go round.
Mar 17th 2020
211
                Another reason I knew that strategy would be ineffective is the fact
Mar 18th 2020
213
                     those attacks are generally ineffective anyway.
Mar 18th 2020
219
let us all hope that David Frum, Bill Kristol et al will GOTV
Mar 17th 2020
198
damn you really hate voters for not picking the weakest candidate huh?
Mar 17th 2020
200
lol exactly. NeoCons hype as hell for a Biden candidacy
Mar 17th 2020
201
Why do you care? You said youre not voting. Your opinion means nothing
Mar 17th 2020
204
Sanders would need a lot more help in GOTV
Mar 17th 2020
205
      This is true
Mar 17th 2020
206
      Salute for acknowledging it. If only though Warren had more of a Bernie...
Mar 18th 2020
218
      yup this is the harsh reality.
Mar 18th 2020
220
biden won every single county in fl. and is leading in all but 1 in il.
Mar 17th 2020
209
Damn losing voters
Mar 17th 2020
210
Michelle Obama
Mar 18th 2020
215
^
Apr 24th 2020
332
Sally Yates
Mar 18th 2020
221
last night was a ringing endorsement for vote by mail.
Mar 18th 2020
222
rest of the primary should be done via mail-in ballots
Mar 18th 2020
223
Bernie Sanders to 'assess' presidential campaign
Mar 18th 2020
225
i hope he stays in through wisconsin.
Mar 18th 2020
229
Latino voters.... another failure of this 'coalition'
Mar 19th 2020
232
tulsi gabbard drops out and endorses biden. somebody check on vex.
Mar 19th 2020
231
LOL damn I missed the Biden part when I posted in the other thread
Mar 19th 2020
233
lol
Mar 19th 2020
234
here is her official announcement btw. very good imo.
Mar 19th 2020
236
the comments. drink every time someone says establishment
Mar 19th 2020
237
      im not even sure these people know what they want anymore.
Mar 19th 2020
239
she always said she was going to endorse the nominee
Mar 19th 2020
238
      salute to her for being a team player.
Mar 19th 2020
240
      thank you for not going Michael Tracey Mode
Mar 23rd 2020
269
           yea seeing Neera Tenden & Jonathan Chait admit they were wrong
Mar 25th 2020
283
damn where is kirsten gillibrand?
Mar 19th 2020
235
Here she is
Mar 19th 2020
241
      OK she doesn't have to fucking lie.
Mar 19th 2020
242
      LOL
Mar 19th 2020
243
      Lmao
Mar 20th 2020
245
      lol right on cue.
Mar 19th 2020
244
Study: How Black Donors Spent Their $$$ During Dem Primary (links)
Mar 20th 2020
246
A media report on the study (link). Apparently black support was ~13%
Mar 20th 2020
247
so bernie was treating aoc like a clingy sidechick?
Mar 22nd 2020
248
^^^ not trolling during a pandemic/national emergency
Mar 23rd 2020
249
lol right? Not sure what he thinks he's accomplishing with this
Mar 23rd 2020
250
Ah, but you repeating Fox News tropes about our candidate being 'missing...
Mar 23rd 2020
253
      Rich considering your anti-Bernie analysis is straight out of Breitbart
Mar 23rd 2020
254
      Obama & his team vs. Reeq & strav from OKP lol
Mar 23rd 2020
255
      glad you got a kick out of that.
Mar 23rd 2020
256
      That means a lot.
Mar 23rd 2020
258
      I guess I should be honored.
Mar 23rd 2020
259
      LOL, Breitbart, sure.
Mar 23rd 2020
260
           True. Biden set such a high standard of intellectualism
Mar 23rd 2020
261
      exactly. these dudes cant even fake outrage right.
Mar 23rd 2020
257
      Our saviour Bernie
Mar 24th 2020
274
Dude is entirely too focused on the wrong things.
Mar 23rd 2020
251
Like who should be our next President to lead us out of this Pandemic?
Mar 23rd 2020
262
      ^
Mar 23rd 2020
267
LOL this comment turned into a support group
Mar 24th 2020
273
in the middle of a pandemic you now have an excuse for living on
Mar 23rd 2020
252
"He just needs more of everything" (Politico swipe):
Mar 23rd 2020
263
Hmm, did some digging around on twitter lol and turns out 1/2 Warren's
Mar 23rd 2020
265
      aren't pacs limited in contribution amounts?
Mar 23rd 2020
266
      You know what you might be right. I'm not very well versed on how
Mar 23rd 2020
268
      i honestly cant comprehend being in a position to give $14m
Mar 24th 2020
271
           lol! I guess she really really liked her some Liz.
Mar 24th 2020
272
                i gave her $46 in the last week but ooof lol
Mar 24th 2020
275
                     She also donated to Sheriff Joe Arpaio
Mar 24th 2020
276
                          welcome back
Mar 24th 2020
277
                          'centrist coup' LOL
Mar 24th 2020
278
                          centrist coup got my stomach hurting fam. thanks for that.
Mar 24th 2020
281
      Not that Dark Money
Mar 24th 2020
280
      what an totally unserious sellout.
Mar 23rd 2020
270
           don't expect much news covering that debacle lol
Mar 24th 2020
279
           Just don't call her a snake because that so mean!
Mar 24th 2020
282
           all this nastiness...
Mar 25th 2020
285
bernie staying in race until new york.
Mar 25th 2020
284
he might win a single county this time
Mar 25th 2020
286
      lol its rough out here.
Mar 25th 2020
287
Biden accused of sexual assault
Mar 25th 2020
288
And heeeere we gooo ©
Mar 25th 2020
289
Some polls are starting to trickle in on this... Warren leads so far.
Mar 29th 2020
290
Looks like Gtretchen Witmer for the W
Apr 06th 2020
291
In more ways than one.
Apr 06th 2020
292
biden hasnt chosen whitmer.
Apr 06th 2020
293
      I know. Just saying *if*
Apr 06th 2020
294
This actually would be spot on-brand for today's Dem party
Apr 06th 2020
295
      Exactly.
Apr 06th 2020
296
      Sadly you are right. I hope we learned something from 2016.
Apr 08th 2020
297
Lot of chatter about Abrams this week; still think Warren is best choice
Apr 16th 2020
298
Would love to see Abrams help flip GA
Apr 16th 2020
301
      be careful what you ask for my G
Apr 17th 2020
303
Hella people* been saying Cuomo....
Apr 16th 2020
299
kamala harris picking up a lot of steam lately.
Apr 16th 2020
300
That Morning Consult poll released yday estimates only 17% of voters<45
Apr 16th 2020
302
      if dems choose an all white ticket (again) then they deserve to lose.
Apr 22nd 2020
305
           I agree but who else is on the list?
Apr 22nd 2020
306
           From what I've heard, Florida is definitely in play.
Apr 22nd 2020
311
           Demings *just* flipped FL-10 tho. Plus the country's in crisis
Apr 22nd 2020
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                You're making my point. I'm arguing against Demings.
Apr 22nd 2020
313
                     Lol,we just have to agree to disagree on the boring brand thing. Re: MA,
Apr 23rd 2020
315
           i dont even know anymore fam.
Apr 23rd 2020
317
           Nina Turner...
Apr 22nd 2020
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           Was Bernie going to pick her tho...? I’m not so sure. He was tepid
Apr 22nd 2020
314
                bernie doesnt even want her on the policy task force
Apr 23rd 2020
316
                     yea - Nina was only Bernie's National freaking co-chair
Apr 23rd 2020
319
                          and why would that qualify her to be a vp candidate?
Apr 23rd 2020
322
                               your imaginary sense of who "y'all" are is hilarious
Apr 23rd 2020
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                               my "yall"s = yalls "they"s.
Apr 23rd 2020
327
                                    Sure.
Apr 23rd 2020
330
                               *hella flames emojis*
Apr 24th 2020
333
           Well then wouldn't it make sense to pick the female candidate who black
Apr 22nd 2020
310
                obama ran with biden.
Apr 23rd 2020
318
                     Exactly tho lol! Biden *isn't* Obama. He doesn't have that historic '08
Apr 23rd 2020
321
                          Ehh... I think people underestimate the working white voter
Apr 23rd 2020
326
                               I don't disagree!But someone like Joe means it could've not been Joe too
Apr 23rd 2020
329
fucking cnn smh.
Apr 22nd 2020
304
Whitmer's been doing a lot of TV
Apr 22nd 2020
307
      I’m not surprised at these selections.
Apr 23rd 2020
324
Abrams signals "concern" if Biden's VP pick isn't a woman of color
Apr 23rd 2020
320
the comment section is rough
Apr 23rd 2020
325
No on Abrams. She is boring (imo) and not well known
Apr 23rd 2020
328
would mother let Pence debate a gay woman?
Apr 23rd 2020
331
I still think it’ll be a white woman sadly...
Apr 24th 2020
334
justin amash is in for the libertarian ticket.
Apr 28th 2020
335
wholly predictable, too.
Apr 29th 2020
336
why do you refuse to learn from past mistakes?
Apr 29th 2020
337
      yea that's deep
Apr 29th 2020
338
I don't know if it's promotion/ego. Or he thinks he's helping to stop Tr...
Apr 29th 2020
339
Polls show Dem voters prefer Warren as VP (Forbes)
May 01st 2020
340
Saw a top 10 list on CNN and Abrams wasn’t on it.
May 01st 2020
341
I'd be pretty shocked if Abrams was VP
May 01st 2020
342
At this point I almost think it’s gotta be Liz
May 03rd 2020
344
      dems will lose if they put up an all white ticket
May 03rd 2020
345
           black voters didn't come out for Kamala in the primary
May 03rd 2020
347
           kamala suspended her campaign in dec before any votes were cast.
May 03rd 2020
348
                so she suspended her campaign because her numbers were great?
May 03rd 2020
349
                     lmao. Right? If she had S.C. on lock she would’ve waited it out
May 04th 2020
351
           There's literally only been 1 mixed-race ticket in US history so far tho
May 03rd 2020
350
Biden VP Selection Panel named
May 03rd 2020
343
Also named to the panel...
May 04th 2020
352
im leaning back towards kamala.
May 03rd 2020
346
me too...
May 06th 2020
355
I feel like at this point Warren’s gotta be the top choice even though...
May 04th 2020
353
Biden-Warren write joint op-ed for McClatchy locals in FL, NC, etc (swip...
May 06th 2020
354
VP derby heatin up. He's got binders full if women
May 21st 2020
356
*shrug* I'd still take the field.
May 21st 2020
357
Exactly. Klobuchar is the female Tim Kaine.
May 21st 2020
359
https://twitter.com/whatapityonyou/status/1263580536804487171?s=21
May 21st 2020
360
Klobuchar gives Biden nothing he shouldn't already have
May 22nd 2020
361
      Hmm... Black people are already hyped tho
May 22nd 2020
363
           hilary is a white woman
May 22nd 2020
366
                lol
May 22nd 2020
367
                Hillary was also a political super villain.
May 22nd 2020
368
Short-list reportedly emerges for Biden VP hunt
May 21st 2020
358
Biden: "if you vote for Trump over me you ain't black"
May 22nd 2020
362
Welp. He better have a Black VP now
May 22nd 2020
369
      EXACTLY what I just told a friend.
May 22nd 2020
374
you guys think it will be announced before the middle of july?
May 22nd 2020
364
I think it's going to be early this time. Somebody has to campaign
May 22nd 2020
365
Man this Breakfast Club interview waas ROUGH
May 22nd 2020
370
my god he's got even worse from a few months ago...
May 22nd 2020
371
Seen a few Black folk on my timeline use this as a reason not to vote
May 22nd 2020
376
who the hell on his team thought this interview was a good idea?
May 22nd 2020
372
      basically
May 22nd 2020
375
      and why did they pick this time to do it?
May 23rd 2020
380
           No one comes out of the breakfast club looking better than they came in.
May 23rd 2020
381
           But why does Biden take the bait, why is still letting himself getting r...
May 25th 2020
382
                RE: But why does Biden take the bait, why is still letting himself getti...
May 29th 2020
394
Man, fuck Biden and his "...you ain't Black" remarks.
May 22nd 2020
373
Does the Breakfast Club debacle make it more or less likely
May 23rd 2020
377
1 million percent more likely he will pick a Black woman. Done deal!
May 23rd 2020
378
      I agree - but I don't think Dem power brokers do.
May 23rd 2020
379
I will say this: amy and Gretchen won’t have that contrast with Pence
May 25th 2020
383
If Joe Biden picks Rahm Emmanuel as his VP, stick a fork in him.
May 26th 2020
384
He already publicly declared his VP would be a woman.
May 26th 2020
385
RE: He already publicly declared his VP would be a woman.
May 26th 2020
388
do you remember Rahm as Chief of Staff?
May 26th 2020
386
      RE: do you remember Rahm as Chief of Staff?
May 26th 2020
387
Warren out here trickin for that VP nod
May 27th 2020
389
Well it won’t be Klobuchar...
May 28th 2020
390
Basically.
May 28th 2020
391
good.
May 28th 2020
392
      ^
May 28th 2020
393
down to ~6.
Jun 12th 2020
395
My mayor has really got herself all in the mix. Go KLB. Some ppl
Jun 12th 2020
398
He needs to go ahead and make that decision and announce it like now.
Jun 12th 2020
396
WHY?
Jun 12th 2020
397
naw, that serves him no advantage.
Jun 13th 2020
399
      RE: naw, that serves him no advantage.
Jun 15th 2020
400
Klobuchar takes herself out of consideration. Takes Warren out with her ...
Jun 18th 2020
401
Good never should've been on the list
Jun 18th 2020
402
its gonna be kamala.
Jun 19th 2020
403
I can't believe Biden is actually vetting Maggie Hassan
Jun 19th 2020
404
Christ, why do we give a shit about vetting people?
Jun 19th 2020
405
      Well - for one: Abrams says she hasn't been contacted
Jun 19th 2020
408
      ^^^
Jun 19th 2020
410
      yeah its just kicking the tires.
Jun 19th 2020
413
Someone on Twitter said she Tonya Harden'd all other white women.
Jun 19th 2020
406
*eyeroll* I'm sure this had nothing to do with the record-setting
Jun 19th 2020
409
      might have something to do with kamala being the clear favorite
Jun 19th 2020
414
      And yet Warren leads the field not just *overall*, but with young black
Jun 19th 2020
419
           KH was not the first BW to seek the dem nom. Shirley Chisholm was
Jun 19th 2020
427
           Thank you for the correction! Damn, I swear I knew that too lol
Jun 19th 2020
437
           fyi civiqs is a historically left leaning pollster
Jun 19th 2020
433
                Even better. So we can trust they would have adequately sampled
Jun 19th 2020
440
      interesting analysis. I think Warren would be the best VP
Jun 19th 2020
415
      Right. I guess we'll see! I've learned to expect the unexpected lol
Jun 19th 2020
420
      Confession: I really want it to be warren. Really. But if anyone
Jun 19th 2020
421
      kamala = tim kaine was so disrespectful lol.
Jun 19th 2020
425
      It really was lol and bit of a head scratcher.
Jun 19th 2020
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           shes literally the only person ive seen even attempt that comparison.
Jun 19th 2020
435
                I explained in 436:
Jun 19th 2020
438
      Who's not recognizing lol? The poll I linked was during the height of
Jun 19th 2020
436
           Ok seen. You always present your arguments well. I don’t think
Jun 20th 2020
449
                Lol! Thx. And good point. I hear you.
Jun 20th 2020
452
      ive been there for a while
Jun 22nd 2020
453
Harris!!!!
Jun 19th 2020
407
I pretty much agree, Rice is the logical choice but unfairly she has the...
Jun 19th 2020
411
kamala is most prepared to lead on day one imo.
Jun 19th 2020
412
      honestly at this point I think people are going to vote how they are...
Jun 19th 2020
416
      Few undecided on who theyd vote for. They're undecided on IF they'll vot...
Jun 19th 2020
417
           ^^^
Jun 19th 2020
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           ^This can't be emphasized enough.
Jun 19th 2020
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                U just contradicted urself and agreed and disagreed with his point lol
Jun 19th 2020
423
                bernie couldnt even turn out those voters.
Jun 19th 2020
424
                     Bernie won over 1,000 delegates
Jun 19th 2020
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                     fam thats almost *half* as many delegates as he won in 2016 lol.
Jun 19th 2020
431
                     I would hope so - it was a two-person race in 2016
Jun 19th 2020
447
                          Lmaoooo what a reach. U still crazy and sad asf. Bernie Didn’t
Jun 20th 2020
451
                     a black female VP would be doing everything possible to lose? word?
Jun 19th 2020
432
                          do you always enjoy typing non-sense to ppl who won't read it?
Jun 19th 2020
445
                     crazy the bros are so pro Warren now
Jun 19th 2020
429
                          U see it. She was so embarrassing and pathetic a few months ago.
Jun 19th 2020
430
                          snap back to reality (c) eminem
Jun 19th 2020
434
                          The case for Warren is in the data tho, not her identity.
Jun 19th 2020
442
                          Who needs data when you've got dogma?
Jun 19th 2020
446
                          Stop making shit up.. Nina Turner was our pick...
Jun 19th 2020
443
                          imagine still using the term "bernie bro" in June 2020?
Jun 19th 2020
444
                               it's so weird... like yo, we're going to vote for Biden don't worry..
Jun 20th 2020
448
                          I find it reckless to vote for someone based on identity alone. Policies...
Jun 28th 2020
456
      I think she has the appearance of being able to lead on day one
Jun 19th 2020
439
           What your DC friends say aligns with what her own campaign staff
Jun 19th 2020
441
I think Warren would be the right choice
Jun 20th 2020
450
for optics sake do spouses matter? As far as I know Val Demings...
Jun 26th 2020
454
Karen Bass is in the game now too
Jun 28th 2020
455
Biden's VP list shrinks to 3 favorites: Harris, Rice & Warren (AP)
Jul 14th 2020
457
whoever they choose is basically the president. Big decision
Jul 14th 2020
458
I still like Warren the most of the 3, Rice second.
Jul 14th 2020
459
Agreed on Warren. From the jump I thought she was the best choice
Jul 14th 2020
460
Pretty much. I'd probably root for Rice more if she wasn't so hawkish,
Jul 14th 2020
466
and all of them are married to white men.. lol
Jul 14th 2020
461
would this be an accurate/fair statement?
Jul 15th 2020
473
So much talk of Susan Rice.
Jul 14th 2020
462
Seems like she cane out of nowhere
Jul 14th 2020
463
      i don't think progressives can bear two old white people.
Jul 14th 2020
464
      You really think progressives care more for Rice and KH’s color
Jul 14th 2020
465
           I think Clyburn Democrats (e.g., black church ladies...
Jul 14th 2020
467
                Clyburn Democrats in S. Carolina are among the more conservative
Jul 14th 2020
468
                Meanwhile, Clyburn already came out and said race doesn't need to
Jul 14th 2020
469
                Definitely... but those aren’t progressives
Jul 14th 2020
470
                warren easily has the fan base most likely to vote for any ticket.
Jul 14th 2020
471
      RW has (fake)AMMO on her from Benghazi
Jul 14th 2020
472
time for final predictions?
Jul 28th 2020
474
pick coming next week
Jul 28th 2020
475
GOPers are acting like Biden is on his death bed
Jul 28th 2020
476
Harris
Jul 28th 2020
477
still fantasizing that it will be Michelle Obama
Jul 28th 2020
478
Just fantasizing about Michelle O. in general. Seen this?
Jul 29th 2020
479
Kamala
Jul 29th 2020
480
all options are way better than Kaine
Jul 29th 2020
492
the current attack, or angle trump seems to be going at is pro-cop
Jul 29th 2020
494
      RE: the current attack, or angle trump seems to be going at is pro-cop
Jul 29th 2020
496
           i feel you
Jul 29th 2020
497
                good points
Jul 30th 2020
501
*facepalm*
Aug 04th 2020
510
Biden photographed with Kamala talking points on a note card...
Jul 29th 2020
481
alternative interpretation:
Jul 29th 2020
482
I thought of that but if she isn't the pick he wouldn't need to go that
Jul 29th 2020
483
I really wish the pick could be from a swing/red state
Jul 29th 2020
488
Kamala's gonna be the pick.
Jul 29th 2020
484
seems like it
Jul 29th 2020
485
I mean he could have had each fold devoted to a different person.
Jul 29th 2020
486
I don't get it...
Jul 29th 2020
493
I was high on Susan Rice until I saw her son.
Jul 29th 2020
487
LOL damn optics are crucial
Jul 29th 2020
489
Rice is who I'd want to step in as pres. Kamala is who I want to campaig...
Jul 29th 2020
490
Susan will be there out the spotlight doing policy, probably where she n...
Jul 29th 2020
495
That photo is fucking hilarious
Jul 29th 2020
491
my money been on her for a while but theres a lot of anti-kamala noise
Jul 30th 2020
498
looks like the decision has been pushed back a week.
Jul 30th 2020
499
Lots of chaos seems to be surfacing in this VP selection
Jul 30th 2020
500
I think Warren is the over all better pick
Jul 30th 2020
502
      Is Bass still in play? She seemed to come out of nowhere.
Jul 30th 2020
503
just re-read much of this post
Jul 31st 2020
504
so anti-kamala biden allies are tryna push karen bass at the last minute
Aug 04th 2020
505
she'd actually be a very solid pick imo
Aug 04th 2020
506
she's my representative
Aug 04th 2020
507
      First time I heard her name was last week
Aug 04th 2020
508
           ....see I find this interesting....some of the same ppl who rail against
Aug 04th 2020
509
                ^ nm
Aug 05th 2020
512
                You do realize Pimp would go to the WH to meet Trump if asked
Aug 06th 2020
515
                     lol
Aug 06th 2020
517
                          He’s determined to put everyone in the same progressive box
Aug 06th 2020
518
                               Yep Pimp is not progressive.
Aug 06th 2020
519
                                    ^^^the progressive gatekeeper
Aug 08th 2020
521
                                         ^^^^^Steve Bannon
Aug 08th 2020
522
poll: kamala harris top choice for dem voters (standard & ranked choice)
Aug 04th 2020
511
I am supportive of KH but I can see the resistance based on the person.
Aug 05th 2020
513
and the top choice of the right
Aug 05th 2020
514
Black Twitter been showing up for her too.. Shunning these man bun progr...
Aug 06th 2020
516
Whitmer traveled to Delaware to meet w/ Biden as decision nears
Aug 08th 2020
520
Kamala or Whitmer would be great for me
Aug 08th 2020
523
NBC reporting that Biden's VP pick will be made this week.
Aug 09th 2020
524
diddy, charlamagne, and other black men demand black woman vp.
Aug 10th 2020
525
Black male leaders lol. Who are these goofballs leading?
Aug 10th 2020
526
yeah i dont know about the leaders part lol.
Aug 10th 2020
527
Black voters pretty much carry most Dems in the primaries
Aug 10th 2020
529
Most of our Black celebs talking shit don’t even vote
Aug 10th 2020
528
Furthermore, you have progressives moving to create a new party rt now
Aug 10th 2020
532
      the thing is...one constituency already lost. bad.
Aug 10th 2020
533
           Yes, but the nominee is no longer running to appeal to just Democrats.
Aug 10th 2020
537
                you assuming independents are further left than the dem primary base?
Aug 10th 2020
540
                     independent doesn't = centrist
Aug 10th 2020
543
                          independent doesnt = centrist but most independents hover in the center.
Aug 10th 2020
548
                          mhmm. Like this recent poll of battlegrd independents on the VP pick :)
Aug 10th 2020
555
                          Oh, 100%. I agree. In fact, I think there's probably a lot of progressiv...
Aug 10th 2020
552
Cedric the Entertainer should fight somebody
Aug 10th 2020
545
Compare the Black (Male) Hollywood argument to the one this Black
Aug 10th 2020
530
warren aint gonna be vp sis. that ship has sailed.
Aug 10th 2020
531
      Um, 1: I didn't mention her once, and it's not my fault if others do; 2:...
Aug 10th 2020
534
           you realize both our user names are similar to khive?
Aug 10th 2020
535
           Lol!
Aug 10th 2020
538
           🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐝 ...
Aug 10th 2020
536
                Lol! I look forward to when the veepstakes are over :)
Aug 10th 2020
539
                     lol i think all of my beef on here
Aug 10th 2020
541
eddie glaude said hes listed but never signed the letter.
Aug 10th 2020
542
I have a feeling many of those people don't know their name is on that
Aug 10th 2020
546
he deleted that
Aug 10th 2020
547
      i wonder who wrote it and why those people are connected to it.
Aug 10th 2020
549
Is Demmings out?
Aug 10th 2020
544
not sure what happened to the demmings talk
Aug 10th 2020
551
Or, perhaps progressives *have* checked under the hood, and simply
Aug 10th 2020
554
Rice sold her Netflix shares.. said it was just typical biz
Aug 10th 2020
556
      RE: Rice sold her Netflix shares.. said it was just typical biz
Aug 10th 2020
558
           I might consider another 4 years for Trump
Aug 10th 2020
559
                Trump's gotta go STAT
Aug 10th 2020
560
                Oh.. I agree. I just meant he gets a steroid boost with Rice as VP
Aug 10th 2020
561
                     I agree. I don't think even Obama's biggest supporters
Aug 11th 2020
570
                dude stfu
Aug 11th 2020
594
'he better pick a black woman'
Aug 10th 2020
550
      You actually think Biden would lose his Black support?
Aug 10th 2020
553
           Black voters aren’t going anywhere regardless
Aug 10th 2020
557
                Who do you think is the best pick to harness this vote?
Aug 10th 2020
562
                     I’m not sure but of course my pick would be Keisha Lance Bottoms
Aug 11th 2020
564
                          Keisha would move the needle on black men
Aug 11th 2020
572
It appears that it won't be Kamala, Warren or Whitmer
Aug 11th 2020
563
If it’s Susan Rice... lmao
Aug 11th 2020
565
Republican read meat.
Aug 11th 2020
566
      Benghazi, deep state, war hawk, lacking domestic experience
Aug 11th 2020
568
      Yup. Basically put Benghazi back in play.
Aug 11th 2020
571
I don't think the speaking schedule is a solid giveaway...
Aug 11th 2020
567
for sure - we're all just speculating.
Aug 11th 2020
569
i think its gonna be kamala.
Aug 11th 2020
573
Biden Is Said to Have Made His V.P. Pick
Aug 11th 2020
574
Rice would be such a snooze fest
Aug 11th 2020
575
Harris just rocketed up in the betting markets
Aug 11th 2020
576
the pick has been made - so it could've leaked.
Aug 11th 2020
577
Vex was wrong again
Aug 11th 2020
579
LoL
Aug 11th 2020
595
its official. its kamala.
Aug 11th 2020
580
It's Harris.
Aug 11th 2020
584
Coworker just showed me a headline that Kamala is the pick.
Aug 11th 2020
578
Kamala Harris is the pick
Aug 11th 2020
581
Kamala Harris is picked
Aug 11th 2020
582
aka twitter going crazy with the skeewees.
Aug 11th 2020
583
I’m just glad it wasn’t Rice.
Aug 11th 2020
587
      Same - though she'll prob be a big fixture in the admin.
Aug 11th 2020
589
I think she's a solid pick.
Aug 11th 2020
585
Let’s go. Kamala.. get ya boy in line and win this shit!!!
Aug 11th 2020
586
never been crazy about her. she's a smart choice though
Aug 11th 2020
588
knew she was the pick since "law and order" became a trending topic
Aug 11th 2020
590
I wanted Warren, but who cares now! Biden/Harris 2020.
Aug 11th 2020
591
Welp, an Oakland native is on the ballot
Aug 11th 2020
592
*Berkeley
Aug 11th 2020
593
she was pivotal in locking up one of the actors from Last Black Man in S...
Aug 11th 2020
598
      and it begins
Aug 11th 2020
599
      nah, it is what it is at this point
Aug 11th 2020
602
      did they state a fact or not.
Aug 11th 2020
605
      It's a fact
Aug 11th 2020
610
      they want trump to win.
Aug 11th 2020
613
           lol
Aug 11th 2020
614
           right, and you want Trump to win so you can blame progressives
Aug 11th 2020
617
      It's a little more complicated than that
Aug 11th 2020
620
Whatever you think about her politics, she is going to give Pence hell
Aug 11th 2020
596
^^^^
Aug 11th 2020
601
hope so - but Kamala wasn't all that great in the debates
Aug 11th 2020
603
pence did not body kaine lol.
Aug 11th 2020
606
      c'mon fam. Gotta keep it 100. Kaine lost the debate
Aug 11th 2020
619
RE: Whatever you think about her politics, she is going to give Pence he...
Aug 11th 2020
611
      trump is the one pushing for more (and earlier) debates.
Aug 11th 2020
612
           Haven’t seen that, guess u right
Aug 11th 2020
616
trump campaign statement on the kamala pick.
Aug 11th 2020
597
Absolute Garbage, GOP campaign was already disjointed
Aug 11th 2020
600
      look at this attack line:
Aug 11th 2020
609
Rice was a non-starter, Obama couldn’t even make her SOS because...
Aug 11th 2020
604
chuck todd needs to be punched in his beaver teeth.
Aug 11th 2020
607
im actually happy about this
Aug 11th 2020
608
me 333333333
Aug 11th 2020
615
Trump already trying to paint her with the “angry black woman” brush
Aug 11th 2020
618

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>This may likely be the most consequential VP selection in
>recent memory, given Biden's clear deficiencies.
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>Make the case for who his VP should be.

Seriously, it's time to suspend some accounts unless you can ratelimit BULLSHIT.

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20. "He needs a young, strong task-manager at VP"
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So would have Sanders

  

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3. "Klobuchar. It's gotta be a lady. And I don't think Kamala adds much"
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Biden's got black folks sewed up. And I don't think Harris will get more on board.

Klobuchar can attract those midwest suburban white women that he desperately needs. Also it will secure Minnesota which is looking more and more like a state up for grabs

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5. "Klobuchar got baggage so that's a no for her"
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He can get the white women burbs with someone else.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/24/politics/amy-klobuchar-myon-burrell-murder-conviction/index.html

Burrell told ABC News' "Live Prime" in an interview that aired Monday that Klobuchar is the "source of everything that happened."

"That's what the district attorney's job is, is to either charge or not charge. You never took the time to look into this case. You never took the time to go and actually see, is this true or is this false? You know what I mean?" Burrell said of Klobuchar.

"I believe she gave the police free rein and said, 'Just bring me back a conviction.' "

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4. "nina turner."
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7. "Keep an eye out for Val Demings."
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I think Stacy Abrams is more likely, and a lot of people are expecting Kamala Harris.

But if we want to make Trump mad, keeping the impeachment in the news would help.

  

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8. "Why Abrams?"
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What did she do besides lose the race for Governor?

Maybe I'm missing something. She doesn't have much name recognition. She doesn't seem like a dynamic speaker to me.
I just don't see why she is even on a long list of potential candidates

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10. "RE: Why Abrams?"
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Imo

https://fairfight.com/about-stacey-abrams/

Young people fuck with Abrams... and she has proven she can register and actually get new voters out. She is in this in a real way not just for the optics

I also have this weird feeling that white people like her

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72. "RE: Why Abrams?"
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>Imo
>
>https://fairfight.com/about-stacey-abrams/
>
>Young people fuck with Abrams... and she has proven she can
>register and actually get new voters out. She is in this in a
>real way not just for the optics
>
>I also have this weird feeling that white people like her

All of This^

She mobilized the voters that Bernie talked about being able to mobilize.

Sometimes, giving up your dream isn't an option.

  

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309. "Why?"
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>I also have this weird feeling that white people like her

  

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9. "Interesting."
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19. "never thought of that. does that seem like the party's style though?"
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it seems like too specific of a choice for the party that loves taking the high road a little too often

I could back Kamala as VP, not sure about Abrams after her backing of Bloomberg

  

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52. "It couldn't just be about impeachment, I agree."
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It was something that people were talking about during the impeachment hearings, and it doesn't seem as natural now as it did then.

But the thinking then was simply "These house managers really know how to prosecute a case!" And Demings was arguably the second-best of them (apart from Adam Schiff, but we don't need a second white guy on the ticket and he'd probably rather keep his chairmanship anyway).

Maybe it comes down to whether impeachment comes back up in the early campaign, or whether they want it to come up in the later campaign.

But also, she's someone that not everybody expects (so the naming would capture a longer news cycle), but whom pretty much every Democrat could very strongly get behind.

Also, she's from Florida. If we can start winning Florida again, oh boy...

  

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11. "Here's why I think Warren may be a smart choice"
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(noting that I don't think she'll actually be the choice).

I fear that Biden is tracking like the Democratic Mitt Romney - who was a habitual loser in Presidential races. Biden is tracking on that trajectory - having already lost twice - and now he's going up against an incumbent (just as Romney was versus Obama).

Further - Romney was seen as a "safe" choice against Obama - a moderate who might coax away some swing voters as the most centrist of a candidate. The GOP begrudgingly settled on Romney just as the Dems just did with Biden.

Romney lost in a landslide.

Warren on the ticket would at least give Biden a chance to expand turnout. He's already going to get the moderate/older vote - and will appeal to a fair amount of swing-voters. With Warren on the ticket, at least you get some of the younger voters - and more of the Sanders base than he'd get with a Klobuchar-like VP ticket.
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15. "I love(d) E-Dubs but I'm not sure her performance in the primary ..."
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... gives me a lot of confidence that she'll jolt the folks needed to counterbalance all of Biden's endless shortcomings.

I'm not sure who *does* do that.

I agree with your Biden/Romney analogy for sure tho.

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13. "Hillary Clinton"
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14. "Bernie "
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18. "hell naw lol"
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38. "Biden Bros not smart enough to unify the left..."
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...but that move would be masterful

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16. "I have no clue. There's rumors here in MI that it might be the gov"
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granholm is aight or whatever, but I really don't know who you pair him with

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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17. "Old Spice"
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21. "I think it should be Warren"
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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23. "Would that make sense given the lack of endorsement as of yet"
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Are we waiting for a mutual show of good faith?

  

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30. "Maybe"
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I just don't want another Tim Kaine. I assume he is was a decent running mate, but man did he add nothing for me last election.

At least I feel with Warren, it would help Biden with the progressive wing. Plus if he won, I doubt he'd be able to pull a 2nd term, maybe it would lead to the 1st female Prez.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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22. "she wouldn't do it, but you know who would lock this up for him"
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Condi Rice

  

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24. "Horrible choice "
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>Condi Rice

No

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27. "For so many reasons."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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28. "a horrible choice that has a 00.01% chance of losing"
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IMO

  

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45. "How does Condi help Biden win ?"
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29. "oh nah. That would fuckin end it for me"
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31. "Hell to the No!"
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--
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"Hell to the No!"


  

          

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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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"Hell to the No!"


  

          

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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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32. "Hell to the No!"
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--
Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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33. "that will drive up the young progressive vote!"
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34. "because they've sure been turning out for bernie, huh?"
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36. "are you aware Bernie has 684 of the delegates?"
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....turnout isnt what we wanted, but thats a huge portion of left wing voters ..and that's not even counting the majority of independents

Keep rooting for the villains tho... it's a great look for you

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37. "you gotta win some states to win the nom"
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and you read me wrong - im not 'rooting' for anyone (truth is the two remaining guys were actually tied for dead last on my preference list from the initial field of candidates)
i want trump gone - thats it. im agnostic about how we get there.
I have opinions about how i think it may or may not happen, but ultimately i truly dont give a shit.

  

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64. "ok no prob, sorry if i came off rude."
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39. "even more reason to find someone that connects with them."
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42. "Perfect. Change nothing"
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Biden's running mate should 100% be an actual Republican with the blood of a half million Iraqis on her hands. This is an unequivocally excellent way to reach across the aisle with a running mate whose views adhere closely to Biden's long political history.

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47. "I don’t like it"
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But that’s a winning ticket
All I’m saying

If I were joe I’d also call bernz rn and tell him he’s got his pick of cabinet posts if he drops out in a timely manner

  

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49. "You should like it!"
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It's an incredibly good idea. Biden ropes in 70 year olds and people so terrified of Trump that they'll back anybody. And Rice brings in NeverTrump guys with NYT columns who spent 2006 workshopping euphemisms for torture.

It's not just a winning coalition. It's the only one that can win.

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51. "But you keep real liberals happy because that war criminal"
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is a Black woman

  

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44. "lmao I love OKP."
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50. "when in doubt, just lean right"
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53. "i mean, we DO live in a center right country unfortunately"
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our mainstream democrats would be the right wing in a lot of other places

  

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55. "fair point. that's why engaging younger voters at this juncture is key"
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we're not going to shift the discussion until there are more people that buy into the left's vision of the country's path forward

  

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56. "yep i get that"
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honestly I brought up biden-condi because it's the only ticket i can come up with that gets my dad (and a lot of folks like him) to not vote trump again

and im skeptical about the idea of a VP candidate actually engaging youth, given that this position is typically little more than window dressing - but if they can change that paradigm and really give a "biden is the present, fillintheblankVP is the future" type message, then that could be cool I will say.

  

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230. "^^^look at all these SEXISTS^^^"
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and racists too!

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25. "Only real choice for us is to #WriteInBernie "
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I be confusing the Russian bot hashtags with Bernie folks hashtags


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26. "its def getting a lot harder to tell."
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40. "Warren was my candidate, don't need her to be the VP though. "
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I can't see making a 70+ year old VP. She should withhold her endorsement until she gets certain progressive promises from Biden and the party, and then return to the Senate to fight the good fight.


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41. "*fist pump*"
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43. "I would be disappointed with anyone other than a black woman. "
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Its time for a woman to get one of the slots.

And Biden owes his whole candidacy to Black People. If he approaches it as he has black people sewed up and can get a drab moderate like Amy K, it would be so disappointing and I believe, suppress black turnout. In other words, I think it should be more Clyburns call than Biden.

Kamala is such the safe choice, maybe too safe. I think it wouldn't be a terrible choice though because I think people want someone who can take over if Biden can't finish his term.

Abrams would be so dope, I think she would get the young people going. She has proven she can turn people out.

Val Demings seems dope. I don't know much about her but I love how she went in on impeachment.




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46. "Ayo"
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> She has proven she can turn people out.
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48. "RE: Ayo"
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>> She has proven she can turn people out.
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lol yea pretty high praise for a losing gubernatorial candidate. I actually don't think Abrams would be ready at all if she was called on to serve as Prez. Kamala would be far more prepared to step into the job.

But Abrams is an option in this poll because I'm trying to understand the mind of the Biden voter lol - and I knew she'd be a popular choice.


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68. "I wouldn't be disappointed if the VP isn't a Black woman."
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>Its time for a woman to get one of the slots.

But I agree that the VP pick should be a woman, especially because women seem highly motivated to vote when Trump is on the ballot.

I have no idea who would be a good pick.

I sort of think the VP pick should be Latino. I wouldn't complain about Castro, really, but I like Castro when Warren is on the top of the ticket, a lot better. He's also not a woman.

Or...the VP could be, generally, a first or second generation immigrant. One reason Kamala works is that her story touches different aspects of the American experience that Americans can find some connection to.

I love Masie Hirono. Absolutely love. But I think she's most effective where she is. I also like Pramila Jayapal, but I don't think she's ready for prime time yet.

If the VP nominee is a White woman, she should be a so-called "nasty" woman like Warren. Although I think Warren is an excellent candidate and brilliant woman (she was my Presidential preferred candidate!), I doubt she would go over well in the general as VP.

Katie Porter, Warren's former student is a fantastic Representative and would likely be a good VP pick, but maybe like Jayapal...not quite yet for prime time. I hope Porter stays around because I can see myself voting for her for the Democratic nominee for President.

By prime time I mean: seasoned enough to view the party's vying for power through the lens of a multi-faceted strategy to take on Republican and right-wing opposition. Seasoned enough to withstand a united GOP, which has proven, time and again, to be a strategically ruthless and dark opponent with a deep bank account. Seasoned enough to use power to fight and check mate opponents. Seasoned enough to know how to win.

  

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54. "really should be a progressive IMO Pressley? Baldwin? "
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Not just for my own preference, but for the sake of ensuring turnout.

I really don't think Nina Turner would be a bad idea in this context.


No one seems to like my Ayana Pressley idea. She even brings squad energy, but still plays nice with the establishment.

You can have everyone from Warren to AOC out campaigning and it would still seem sincere.


Kamala seems like the logical choice if Biden/the party think theres a shot he can't finish his term. I don't think she brings in new voters to the fold though. If the K hive was as powerful as they think they are, she'd still be here.


Abrams...I get it but I don't get it. I don't think most (including myself) even know where she stands on issues. Maybe she should run the DNC or something. I dunno. I go back and forth. Had it been Bernie, I'd be a lot more down for her.


Playing the state game, Tammy Badlwin would seem to be a legit choice. I think black women deserve the nod here though.

  

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59. "I think it would be a mistake to think the goal would be to get new vote..."
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as opposed to activating impassioned voters.


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60. "fair point...I somewhat misspoke"
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I'm not sure who Kamala brings on board that isn't already.


There are some great points being made on her voting record regarding her progressive stances, but sometimes perception > reality


I think Ayana could potentially help motivate the youth and progressives more.


I think Baldwin could help lock in WI + progressives.


I know Dems sometimes get caught up in pipe dreams of flipping certain states blue, but if things go the way they are right now maybe Abrams does help flip GA.

Or Demming in FL


Shit, I think I'm more excited/nervous about the VP pick than anything at this point.


I do wonder if Klobuchar made a VP deal though.


Part of me gets the vibe Kamala isn't interested in VP, but I could be way off base on that. I probably am.

  

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61. "I think Kamala has the benefit of being ready to be President"
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if Biden can't finish a term. I don't think she activates voters though. I just didn't see her having an impassioned based.


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62. "Status Quo Joe’s Cabinet = retun to normalcy "
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Going back to 2008...is not progress

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/joe-biden-cabinet-vice-president-picks-b17882ac-3953-450f-8afb-38a3c8dcda57.html

Mike Bloomberg, who swiftly endorsed Biden after the former mayor's campaign collapsed, would be a top possibility to head the World Bank.

Jamie Dimon — chairman and CEO of JPMorgan Chase, and mentioned over the years as a potential presidential candidate — would also be considered for Treasury.

Anne Finucane, vice chairman of Bank of America, is another possibility for Treasury.

^^^this is not how you unify the party.

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63. "Yea expect the old boys to be back"
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What concerns me a lot is foreign policy - which again - nobody seems to care much about right now despite the fact that it's one of the few areas where a President can take multilateral, executive action.

Biden's foreign policy has been abysmal throughout his career (on par with Hillary Clinton and in some instances even worse) - and he'll be a blank check for the Pentagon to manipulate as it sees fit.

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65. "I can't blame people for setting the bar low at a time like this"
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66. "you absolutely can"
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How do you think we got here?

The current issues are not low bars to clear

It takes bold measures...which you can see being implemented...by an administration that is being forced to do so

Status quo won’t help.

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67. "I agree but apparently most americans do not"
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69. "Not the exciting pick, but Klobuchar makes the most sense"
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It's an Electoral College thing...

Klobuchar is a proven popular figure in those Midwestern states that Hillary lost to Trump in 2016.

Warren, Abrams, Harris or Booker don't help deliver any states that Joe wouldn't have won anyway.

  

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70. "I will veto M4A (c) Status Quo Joe"
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Joe Biden, man of the times

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73. "I have no empathy for the younger generation (c) Status Quo Joe"
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=rBxyB_GXydw

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dude gets into more scuffles than a sophomore football player hopped up on cattle steroids.

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75. "Ugh. I've been avoiding this post lol. Feels like ppl are sleepwalking"
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on this.

I'm not even gonna vent about names right now, I'm gonna vent about CRITERIA.


Like, first of all, just to remind everybody what Dems are up against:


*Repubs are more unified now than they were in '16

*45 is a stronger opponent now than he was in '16 (i.e. has his party's full backing this time)

*As of 02/20, 45 had raised ~$253M and had ~109M on hand (http://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00023864); Biden had raised ~$76M and had ~$8M on hand (http://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00001669). MSM reported Biden got a post-SC + post-ST windfall, but I doubt it's anywhere near $100M

*45 is building out a nationwide network of *2 MILLION* volunteers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PGBPBrFxAo ; https://youtu.be/_fE57e7afHk?t=219); Biden has, to date, had a notoriously weak ground game (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/politics/joe-biden-california-super-tuesday.html)


Is this really a time for: "oh wouldn't it be delightful if Biden ran with a woman?" "yes darling, a black one would be divine"

..? I mean, come on yall. Condoleeza Rice??? This identity politics stuff is gonna lead everybody off a cliff.


ANYBODY NOT BRINGING ORGANIZED INFRASTRUCTURE - i.e SUPPORTERS. VOLUNTEERS. DONORS - ALONG WITH MAJOR CAMPAIGN MUSCLE AND EXECUTIVE/GOVERNING EXPERIENCE IS WASTING SPACE. PERIOD.



I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody who DIDNT RESONATE OR WIN ANYWHERE running for pres in the current climate (sorry Beto! Castro! Deval! And anyone who polled below them! https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html) .

I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody whose PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IMPLODED/DEMONSTRATED WEAK EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP (sorry Kamala! https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harriss-campaign-is-facing-an-internal-revolt-2019-11, https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/15/kamala-harris-campaign-2020-071105, https://nypost.com/2019/11/29/kamala-harris-2020-campaign-is-falling-apart-from-the-inside-report/)

I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody who STRUGGLED TO FUNDRAISE/BEGGED FOR MONEY ON LIVE TV AND STILL FAILED to meet funding/individual donor targets (sorry Booker! https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/lacking-money-votes-cory-booker-fails-break-through-crowded-democratic-n1114826)

I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody who HOLDS A RECENTLY FLIPPED OR OTHERWISE VULNERABLE SEAT in the House or Senate (sorry Delmings! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida%27s_10th_congressional_district)

I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody who HOLDS A RECENTLY FLIPPED OR OTHERWISE VULNERABLE GOVERNORSHIP in a swing or traditionally red state (sorry Gretchen! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Michigan)

I DONT WANT TO SEE some RANDO FROM POLITICS PAST that'll leave half the electorate scratching their heads asking wtf is that (Sorry Condi! Susan!)

I DONT WANT TO SEE some RANDO FROM POLITICS PRESENT that'll have leave the electorate scratching their heads asking wtf is that (Sorry Sherrod!)



Imho Biden needs a fucking *GLADIATOR* vp. He's an aging, fading, general in need of a lieutenant w/ starpower and (happy) troops on the ground. I'm talking somebody with AOC level (or close) exposure, base enthusiasm, and fundraising capacity. Somebody with a STRONG *PROVEN* APPEAL to folks in Obama-Trump areas because these are the constituents Dems recently lost and NEED TO COURT BACK FOR AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE MAJORITY:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#/media/File:United_States_presidential_election_results_by_county,_2016.svg

Somebody YOUNG enough, HEALTHY enough, ENERGETIC enough, and UNRESTRAINED (eg. by current responsibilities in Congress, as Governor, etc) enough to CAMPAIGN FEROCIOUSLY - like several counties and/or states in a day if need be - bc not only is 45 an exhaustive campaigner and outcampaigned HRC in '16 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trumps-campaigns-numbers/story), but Biden's campaigning has slowed considerably due to low funds/poor organization and concerns about covid19 (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/487115-biden-to-hold-virtual-campaign-events-amid-coronavirus-outbreak)... issues that could persist through the GE. Somebody GOOD AT RETAIL POLITICS to detract from Biden's frequent gaffes on the trail (and perhaps in office). Somebody EXCELLENT AND AT EASE WITH MEDIA whether on-the-spot, long-form, or debate format since this is an area Biden has been weak (https://www.thedailybeast.com/bidens-media-strategy-duck-the-press-unless-youre-under-duress) and will likely weaken further during his administration (I sincerely hope they'd roll with an elder statesman comms strategy too... like we only hear from Biden for major addresses and poignant remarks Queen Elizabeth style, while the media pro VP doubles as a chief surrogate for more regular media availabilities, press conferences, etc).

Additionally, something I didn't even consider until I watched Biden interact recently with a former frontrunner: at his age I believe he needs somebody with very well-developed senses of empathy, duty, and above average EQ. If America's set on electing its most geriatric president in history, then imho it should prepare for some of the less glamorous things that begin to ramp up at that age. Fatigue. Memory and attention lapses. Restrictive joint pains and aches. Mood swings. Loss of balance/increased fall risk. Hearing degradation. Maybe even incontinence. I'm not suggesting a VP is the pres' nurse/doctor by any means, but there may/will be instances where geriatric issues compromise high-level meetings, joint appearances, speaking engagements etc at the last minute. I believe it's critical the VP have the temperament, agility, patience, compassion, and - again - ABOVE AVERAGE EQ to swiftly mitigate embarassments and cover for the pres on a dime, perhaps with little preparation/notice, to project continuity of leadership not just to subordinates but the american people and the world stage. I say all this as someone who's been a caregiver for folks I love in Biden's age range, and having spent more time than I'd like in nursing homes around people that age as well. It's a lot of extra mental, emotional, and sometimes even physical labor just to love/care for somebody in that age corridor talk more of working alongside them in one of the most stressful high-stakes jobs on the planet. I just don't think anybody short-tempered, volatile/easily flustered, or entitled/gloryhound-ish is a good match for a geriatric president and the nuances involved (SORRY AMY! https://www.scribd.com/document/399214761/AFSCME-Letter-on-Amy-Klobuchar-2006, https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/senator-klobuchar-temper-rumors).

Bottom line: I think being Biden's VP would be ATYPICAL. More hands-on than usual. More travel than usual. More visibility than usual. And he/she may even have to lead the nation through poignant bereavement if Biden succumbs to old age/poor health during his term(s). I really, really, *really* don't think the appropriate running mate is somebody who just checks a box. Like I said in another post, warm fuzzies might've helped Biden hold black voters in the south... but is representation really enough to deal with all his baggage PLUS make gains in Trump country?? Remember we're talking Middle America. Rust Belt. The bulk of Obama-Trump counties are in states like IA, WI, IN, etc (https://ballotpedia.org/Pivot_Counties_by_state). That's your auto workers. Your rural folks - farmers, teachers, small business owners, housewives. Your VETERANS (making up ~10% of the adult populations in swing states like FL + NC, that Dems won in '08 but have lost since https://www.census.gov/content/census/en/library/visualizations/2018/comm/percentage-veterans/jcr:content/map.detailitem.950.high.jpg/1539725329299.jpg )
Recall that 45 won in '16 with like 2% less of the total vote than HRC but like over 15% more white voters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Voter_demographics), who'll comprise 66% of the 2020 electorate (https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/01/PSDT_2020electorate-00.png). Also recall that Biden performed POORLY with this demographic in early states compared to his competitors(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Contest_schedule_and_results), even with comparable exposure (https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidate_campaign_travel,_2020). Who performed WELL with this type of voter? Spoke to their issues? Could help Biden win people back to the Dem coalition, I repeat, WHERE ITS ACTUALLY NEEDED (https://www.270towin.com/maps/2016-election-state-winners)? Furthermore, has anyone actually considered the optics of the first ever female/black female VP having to shoulder the inevitable behind-the-scenes labor of supporting a geriatric pres?? Bc I have and I'm so good on that shit. I actually think it's extremely unfair to saddle the first female and/or woman of color VP with a loaded clean-up role like that. It'd basically elevate all the un(der)compensated labor extraction women (and WOC in particular) get burdened with in the workforce already (https://www.fastcompany.com/3058388/why-the-gender-leadership-gap-is-so-much-worse-for-women-of-color). I'd prefer a woman/WOC on the ticket either earn her nomination outright by voter mandate or be selected to serve as vice (for a more normal pres) in the way the role was designed.


Anyway, whatever. I can think of 1 person that meets 100% of what I'm talking about and another who meets maybe 75%; both are to the left of Biden in some areas (eg.Tuition-free public college), and both are white. 1 is a woman. *shrug* Maybe there's others I'd like that could also meet these quotas everyone seems to want to talk about but, tbh, I just feel like if the person who can bring the infrastructure/ support Biden needs* to succeed happens to be white or male so be it. Based on how the Dem primary went, voters don't seem to care. If there was an overwhelming appetite for a woman and/or non-white representation on the Dem 2020 ticket I believe the *unprecedented* selection of women and non-white primary candidates would have recieved a lot more support than they did financially, in the polls, and at the ballot box. Dems ran a mixed-race ticket in '08 and '12 and a mixed-gender ticket in '16; a quota pick would be nice but I don't think it's necessary. Voters seem to be prioritizing results (i.e. Beat 45) over representation.


*and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn the malarkey camp is focusing on typical Dem box-checking instead of actual on-the-ground infrastructure/support to increase competitiveness bc... its the Dems *shrug*

  

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76. "hosting jimmy kimmel really boosts your vp chances eh?"
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I gotta sit down with this and go through these links when I have time - but this had to break a record for most sourced response of the year lol.

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78. "lol! the vp talk strikes a nerve"
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i was seeing urls as I typed

  

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80. "Paul Ryan was correct (c) Status Quo Joe"
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https://youtu.be/0j2k7tDK1gM

Still not seeing any coverage about his brother

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82. "Chopped up"
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Joe is bad enough on his own, no need to use Trump tactics.

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85. "them niggas might as well be trump supporters at this point."
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same exact behavior.

i see why aoc is distancing herself from this clusterfuck.

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88. "Yep they need to break out the red hats and start wearing them"
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AOC made the right move.

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I'm surprised they didn't add ominous music

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95. "FACT CHECK: JOE BIDEN HAS ADVOCATED CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY FOR 40 YEARS"
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LOL, if you think 4 extra minutes of status quo joe is helpful...he says adjustments and fixes...apparently I'm unfamiliar with your definition of chopped...he said it...repeatedly.

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/


2018, former Vice President Joe Biden called for cuts to Social Security in the name of saving the program and balancing the federal budget. Last week, Sen. Bernie Sanders highlighted Biden’s record on Social Security in prosecuting the case that Biden isn’t the most electable candidate. The issue could be raised again in Tuesday night’s debate.

After a Sanders campaign newsletter continued the attack on Biden’s Social Security record, the Biden campaign complained to fact-checkers at Politifact that his comments were being taken out of context. Placed in context, however, Biden’s record on Social Security is far worse than one offhand remark. Indeed, Biden has been advocating for cuts to Social Security for roughly 40 years.

And after a Republican wave swept Congress in 1994, Biden’s support for cutting Social Security, and his general advocacy for budget austerity, made him a leading combatant in the centrist-wing battle against the party’s retreating liberals in the 1980s and ’90s.

“When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well,” he told the Senate in 1995. “I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’ benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government. And I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time.” (A freeze would have reduced the amount that would be paid out, cutting the program’s benefit.)

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“The truth is the last election did one thing,” Biden continued. “I do not know whether it really made you guys a majority party for long. I do not know. We will find out. I know one thing it did. What it did was it made sure that there was nobody left on the left in my party who, in fact, said we do not care about moving the budget toward balance.”

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It's important to point out for people like @NateSilver538, who claim this stuff is too old to be relevant given Biden's 8 years as VP, that the Obama administration offered up Social Security cuts as part of a "grand bargain" with an increasingly radical, right-wing GOP.

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"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well; I meant Medicare and Medicaid; I meant veterans' benefits; I meant every single, solitary thing in the government." — Joe Biden defending the proposed balanced budget amendment, January 1995

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What Biden was expressing was a common sentiment among the centrist faction of the party in the 1980s and ’90s — the belief that old tax-and-spend liberals were out, and that a type of “New Democrat” was needed, one who understood the necessity of fiscal restraint. Cutting spending was the only way, he argued, to salvage what was left of the Great Society and New Deal. The mentality of Biden-style Democrats — that the best the party could do was play defense — was dominant for a generation; it’s now being fundamentally challenged not just in the presidential campaign but in congressional primaries across the country.

The mentality of Biden-style Democrats — that the best the party could do was play defense — was dominant for a generation, but is now being fundamentally challenged.

Biden himself, at least on his campaign website, now supports making Social Security more generous, not less. But that’s at odds with decades of his own advocacy, a record that could become a major political liability among voters concerned Biden will finally get his wish to trim back Social Security checks. Because about half of black seniors on Social Security rely on it as their primary means of support, any trimming of the program hits those beneficiaries particularly hard.

Over the years, Biden, in speeches and interviews, has often taken pains to let listeners know that he’s taking an unpopular stance, being explicit about the risk he knows he’s taking.

“One of the things my political advisers say to me, is, whoa, don’t touch that third rail,” Biden told Tim Russert on “Meet the Press,” while running for president in 2007.

With this year’s presidential contest being fought over the terrain of electability, Biden’s 35-plus-year effort to cut Social Security, arguably the most popular government program in existence, is potentially a major liability among older voters — and hypocrisy has never held Trump back from making an effective political attack. Biden’s historical position also stands in stark contrast to Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, both of whom support increasing benefits and have offered ways to make the program solvent indefinitely.

“As Bernie Sanders himself said in 2015 — after all of these quotes — ‘Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the wellbeing of working families and the middle class,’” said Andrew Bates, a spokesperson for Biden.

BIDEN’S FIXATION on cutting Social Security dates back to the Reagan era. One of Ronald Reagan’s first major moves as president was to implement a mammoth tax cut, tilted toward the wealthy, and to increase defense spending. Biden, a Delaware senator at the time, supported both moves. The heightened spending and reduced revenue focused public attention on the debt and deficit, giving fuel to a push for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution.

In the midst of that debate, Biden teamed up with Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to call for a freeze on federal spending, and insisted on including Social Security in that freeze, even as the Reagan administration fought to protect the program from cuts. It was part of the Democratic approach at the time not just to match Republicans, but to get to their right at times as well, as Biden also did on criminal justice policy.

Biden teamed up with Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to call for a freeze on federal spending, and insisted on including Social Security in that freeze.

“So, when those of my friends in the Democratic and Republican Party say to me, ‘How do you expect me to vote for your proposal? Does it not freeze Social Security COLAs for one year? Are we not saying there will be no cost-of-living increases for one year?’ The answer to that is ‘Yes, that is what I am saying,’” Biden said in a Senate floor speech in April 1984, referring to the adjustment that millions of seniors look for every year.

Biden was facing reelection to the Senate in 1984, which was shaping up to be a heavily Republican cycle, and continued returning to the issue of Social Security.

His plan with Grassley was backed, the New York Times reported in May 1984, by a bevy of business trade groups, “including the Chamber of Commerce of the United States, the National Federation of Independent Businesses, Business Executives for National Security and the National Association of Manufacturers.”

The Biden-Grassley plan was ultimately rejected, but Biden never wavered on it, arguing in 1988 that had he been able to cut Social Security, he’d have been able to save other social programs and force Republicans to cut defense spending.

“I introduced an amendment, notwithstanding my quote liberal credentials, of freezing the federal budget, absolute freeze,” Biden boasted. “I did it for a simple reason: I sat on the Budget Committee for 11 years. And I’d find the same thing occur every time. We’d start off with grandiose ideas of how we’re going to cut the budget. We would never touch entitlements, we would never touch the defense budget, and we couldn’t touch the interest on the debt. Which meant that out of a trillion-dollar budget, that left us only $156 billion And what we would do each year is we would go out and cut out education, food stamps, Head Start, payments, on down the line, everything that I cared about got cut, because at the very end, we’d say, ‘Well, we’ve gotta make some cuts.’ And that would be the path of least resistance.”

That political approach — that by ceding to Republicans, they will respond by compromising in return — has been thoroughly discredited by the last 40 years of events, though it remains the animating argument of Biden’s campaign.

In November 1995, he again reminded the public of his deficit hawkery. “I am a Democrat that voted for the constitutional amendment to balance the budget. I have introduced on four occasions — four occasions — entire plans to balance a budget,” he said on the Senate floor. “I tried with Senator Grassley back in the 1980s to freeze all government spending, including Social Security, including everything.”

“When I introduced my budget freeze proposal years ago, the liberals of my party said, ‘It’s an awful thing you are doing, Joe. All the programs we care about, you are freezing them — money for the blind, the disabled, education and so on,’” Biden continued. “My argument then is one I make now, which is the strongest, most compelling reason to be for this amendment — or an amendment — that if we do not do that, all the things I care most about are going to be gone — gone.”

THE FIRST FEW months of 1995 were taken up with debate over another GOP-led balanced budget amendment, with Biden arguing forcefully to exclude Social Security from it.

“After the year 2014, we will be in deficit in the Social Security system,” he warned. “It seems pretty clear to me this is about two things: One, they need the Social Security dollars to make the deficit look like it is less than it is, and then the next step is they are going to need to try to deal with changing it to increase the amount of money they get in the trust funds to make the deficit look even less, which means that Social Security is going to get hit.”

Biden pushed for an amendment to carve Social Security out of the balanced budget amendment. Clear as it may have been, the amendment to protect Social Security failed. Biden voted for the balanced budget amendment anyway, even after his multiple warnings that it would undercut Social Security.

It was, in fact, the argument over Social Security that torpedoed the balanced budget amendment by a single vote on the Senate floor, after it had already passed the House. “After days of persuasion, the Republicans supporting the amendment were unable to attract the one last vote they needed for a two-thirds majority, resulting in a victory for Democrats, who raised doubts in the final hours about whether the Social Security trust fund would be safe if the measure became law,” the New York Times reported in March 1995. Biden’s inability to bring along one additional Democratic colleague had saved the program, and saved the Constitution from being amended with a draconian fiscal constraint mechanism.

Ironically, the budget would reach balance anyway by the end of the decade, as federal revenue climbed — the result of an economy in hyperdrive thanks to a tech bubble. President George W. Bush turned that surplus into a mammoth tax cut for the wealthy, and within just a few years, Biden was again calling for cuts to Social Security to deal with the deficit.

“The American people know we have to fix Social Security,” Biden said in 2007. “They know we’re going to have to make some tough decisions.”

In his 2007 interview with Russert as a presidential candidate, the “Meet the Press” host asked, “Senator, we have a deficit. We have Social Security and Medicare looming. The number of people on Social Security and Medicare is now 40 million people. It’s going to be 80 million in 15 years. Would you consider looking at those programs, age of eligibility…”

“Absolutely,” Biden said.

“ … cost of living, put it all on the table.”

“The answer is absolutely,” Biden said, reminding Russert that earlier in his career, he had been part of the small number of senators who had come up with the deal that raised the retirement age, and promised to protect each other from voters outraged at the cuts:

I was one of five people — I was the junior guy in the meeting with Bob Dole and George Mitchell when we put Social Security on the right path for 60 years. I’ll never forget what Bob Dole said. After we reached an agreement about gradually raising the retirement age, etc., he said, ‘Look, here’s the deal, we all put our foot in the boat one at a time.’ And he kicked — he stepped like he was stepping into a boat. ‘And we all make the following deal. If any one of the challengers running against the incumbent Democrat or Republicans attack us on this point, we’ll all stay together.’ That’s the kind of leadership that is needed. Social Security’s not the hard one to solve. Medicare, that is the gorilla in the room, and you’ve got to put all of it on the table.

At Iowa’s Jefferson-Jackson dinner in November 2007, weeks from the Iowa caucus, Biden again returned to Social Security. “The American people know we have to fix Social Security,” he said. “They know we can’t grow our way to a solution. They know we’re going to have to make some tough decisions. They’re ready to make those decisions. They’re ready to step up. We have to be ready to straightforwardly tell them what we’re about to do.”

As vice president, Biden was involved in multiple administration attempts to cut Social Security as part of a “grand bargain” with Republicans, all of them blocked by tea party Republicans, who couldn’t agree to any tax increases. In 2014, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said at a conservative event that Biden had privately told him he was supporting of raising the retirement age and means-testing Social Security benefits. “I asked the vice president, don’t we have to raise the age? Wouldn’t means-testing and raising the age solve the problem?” Paul recounted, with Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee on stage, adding that Biden said, “Yes in private, but will not say it in public.” Paul hadn’t been paying close enough attention.

A few years later, at a Brookings Institution event in April 2018, Biden addressed Social Security again. “Paul Ryan was correct when he did the tax code. What’s the first thing he decided we had to go after? Social Security and Medicare. Now, we need to do something about Social Security and Medicare,” Biden said, then added in a whisper: “That’s the only way you can find room to pay for it.”

Last week, the Biden campaign told Politifact that Biden was mocking Ryan and being sarcastic. Immediately after his whisper, he went into the kinds of adjustments to Social Security he thought should be made, the same type that Paul said he told him supported privately.

“Now, I don’t know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I don’t know a lot of them,” Biden said, alluding to the need to means-test Social Security. “So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unproductive loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.”

When the program is popular, “adjustment” is a Washington euphemism for cuts. But you can count on Trump to use the more common term.

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96. "why are you yelling"
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156. "^^^ offended by cut and paste "
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LOL, I ain’t retyping alladat in lower case

FOH

...and status quo joe repeatedly lied about it last night...

Care to discuss...?

Nobody’s touching the fbi raid on brother Biden...?

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84. "Average Joe fumbling through a virtual town-hall, barely able to speak"
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https://twitter.com/QueenInYeIIow/status/1238634256882073600?s=20

https://twitter.com/meaganmday/status/1238626816450912256?s=20


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86. "if only retweets were votes lol."
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give it up fam.

its over.

finito.

maybe yall shoulda spent the last few years working on expanding the 'movement' outside of twitter.

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87. "This the Dem nom you've been hyping for months fam. "
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and this race been called for Biden (or at least not for Sanders) - so this ain't about that.

This is about those who worked overtime to trash Sanders - month after month - while failing to spend a single minute vetting Biden being responsible for giving us a nominee who simply isn't fit for the job.

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89. "your king is 0-2 in primaries fam."
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got his entire hopes destroyed on only the 2nd multi-state primary day barely into march.

maybe 3rd times the charm? (hey it worked for biden lol).

yall should spend some time figuring out why yall are so out of touch with the majority of the electorate so you can expand the base past 30-something percent of the party.

time to venture outside of your bubble.

cuz apparently online trolling isnt an effective coalition builder lol. yet yall still persist.

yall even got aoc disgusted with you. maybe take the hint?

im sincerely trying to help yall cuz this implosion is painful to watch.

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90. "lol @ 'your king' -- Sanders is a flawed candidate - like them all"
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And even though he wasn't my top choice - he's far superior to Biden - who you've been giving an inexplicable pass to because of your tireless caping for the party orthodoxy.

It's real rich to hear you speak of "Republican talking points" when you've been documented all over the boards smearing Sanders with Breitbart talking points.

The whole lazy "y'all Bernie bros" mythology you've been pumping lacks actual merit:

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/09/there-is-hard-data-that-shows-bernie-bros-are-a-myth/

But this isn't the first time you've latched onto something that you bought wholesale from the CNN spin-room.

And it's hilarious that you think AOC is somehow going to fall in line with your status-quo way of thinking - when she literally came out yesterday talking about voter suppression in the Michigan primary and calling into question the egregious lack of fairness in this primary - which again - you ignore because of your wild contentment with a Biden nomination.

Let's revisit this in November fam. I feel sorry for you partying once again over a weak Dem nominee who is going to get bodied in the General.

I'm here for you though. We're family.


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91. "*hands you a donut and a cup of water*"
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97. "the person who did the study specifically says it doesn't prove anything"
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you didn't read past the headline you dumb motherfucker

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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98. "That’s not the point of the article. But be big sad if you’d like "
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“The evidence that Sanders supporters are uniquely cruel online, compared to any other candidates' supporters, is scant; much of the discourse around Bernie Bros seems to rely on skewed anecdotes that don't stand up to scrutiny.”

Please do keep hurling insults like the sad child you are though.


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264. "the study did not provide any data supporting or disproving that"
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congratulations on being a loser

(note: according to the methods used in that study, that's a positive statement by a bernie sanders supporter.)

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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92. "hmm"
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93. "biden endorses warrens bankruptcy bill."
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https://twitter.com/MollyNagle3/status/1238881953534918662
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NEW: @JoeBiden's campaign confirms that he has reviewed @ewarren’s bankruptcy plan closely, and is endorsing her proposal, as he said in his IL town hall.

That's a significant shift, as the proposal would largely undo the 2005 bankruptcy bill the two clashed over in Congress.
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progressive proposals that realistically work.

warren will go down as one of the most influential policy generators of this generation.

this is also how you form alliances among former adversaries. compromise/consensus. aka good politics and party building.

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99. "biden endorses plan for tuition-free public colleges &amp; universities "
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tuition-free for students with families making less than $125k a year

https://twitter.com/MollyNagle3/status/1239278667282382853
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he credited bernie for the plan. its technically closer to p bootys plan who had a $100k income cap (as opposed to bidens $125k). but bernies plan was obviously the root of both.

the income cap takes away the talking point about rich peoples kids going to college for free.


biden thread about using liz and bernards plans:
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1239280175826731010

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100. "Imagine the left wing called Pete Republican/Center-Right over this"
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when his plan was basically a tweaked version of a Bernie bill from 2017:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/806/text


That's when I knew there was like zero critical-thinking underpinning the hatred of everyone non-Bernie. Like, first of all, somebody can run on Bernie's actual proposals and that's still not acceptable. And second-of-all, how are you riding so hard for this man and you don't even recognize one of his old proposals when you see it??


This contradiction applies to the single-payer vs public option debate too. A lot of people don't realize that the subsidy structure in a few of the public option proposals (eg. maxed to cover up to 8.5% of income) borrows from the CHIPA bill ("Consumer Health Insurance Protection Act of 2018") Warren introduced last Congress:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2582/text

which Bernie was a co-sponsor of. Only a couple of years ago.

Bernie and Liz's fingerprints were all over the broader Dem platform even before Biden started making these concessions. I really hate how much of the incivility was due to policy differences that Bernie and Warren were championing like literally a hearbeat ago. Just blind hateful frothing at the mouth for no reason

edit: this is why I have very little sympathy for left complaints about Biden emerging as the likely nominee. Declaring war on the center-left made little political sense if one cared about the issues. I mean it's great Biden's conceding to the left in some areas, but that wasn't guaranteed.


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106. "everybody who doesnt pray to bernie is a republican to them."
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101. "Debate heating up"
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102. "Bernie gotta throw some big shots. He's down on the cards"
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and fighting too safe - yet again. For all the talk about the fictional bernie bro meanies -- Sanders has been nothing but cordial to his opponents - probably too cordial.

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104. "but youre calling for him to be meaner."
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>For all the talk about the fictional bernie bro meanies

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107. "no, I'm calling for him to be more aggressive - which he's doing now"
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Biden is being walked down on the fact that he's been wrong on a lot of the major issues being discussed (DOMA, War, Social Security, Health Care as a Human Right, Immigration, Education, Trade policy etc..) - and has only just recently come around to correct (some) of his positions - adopting Sanders/Warren policies.

There are two people on that stage: one has been a leader his whole life and has consistently displayed political courage; the other is a follower and a political opportunist.
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110. "bernie is a leader with no signature legislation in 30 yrs of congress?"
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119. "Seems Biden thinks so; now that he's following Sanders on policy"
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121. "he understands he needs a pitch to bernie voters to unify the party."
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its no coincidence he did the same with warren.

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126. "Exactly - Biden is a blank-check; can be manipulated to do whatever"
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127. "this is pretty bad even for you."
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128. "Isn't that kinda the point ?"
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I thought politicians were *supposed* to adjust their positions based on the will of the voters ?

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129. "biden is doing *exactly* what vex has said he needs to do."
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make concessions to the bernie wing to bring them in the fold for the general.

its the same thing hillary had to do.

its the same thing barack had to do.

but vex switches stances and acts brand new depending on what argument he is trying to win.

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133. "right? his meltdown is getting sad at this point"
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He's been shouting that Biden needs to get Bernie voters on board.

Biden proceeds to adopt two very progressive plans (probably more to come I would guess/hope)

and he STILL complains.


No joke Reeq, I think Vex and some other bros would prefer Trump to beat Biden so they can say "told you so"

He keeps moving the goalposts in order to shit on Biden no matter what. Not only is this a bad look that is hurting his already damaged credibility, its getting to the point where I think they would aim to damage him in the general.

I'm a card carrying Joe Biden hater and doubter. But if he is going to be the nominee, AND he is going to adopt progressive policies, commit to court picks, etc?


It really is about Bernie to these people- maybe even more than Bernie himself.

I mean, Vex can't even fix his fingers to type an honest critique of dude other than "he's flawed" and "not aggressive enough"

Shit is weird, man.


They are so caught up in winning an argument they've forgotten the goals.

  

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132. "lol that's who you think has been driving Biden's bad policies?"
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The voters?

>I thought politicians were *supposed* to adjust their
>positions based on the will of the voters ?

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144. "lol damn you are an embarrassment."
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103. "A woman, according to the debate tonight "
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105. "biden already won the night with the vp and supreme court pledges."
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thats what is generating the most headlines.

it looked especially strong when contrasted with bernie hedging.

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108. "lol nice to see your bar is as low as David Frum's"
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111. "you follow david frum?"
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118. "you must - you just essentially retweeted him."
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122. "a ton of journalists mirrored the same sentiment."
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123. "damn fam you sure love you some CNN & Joey Biden"
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125. "you didnt accuse me of being paid by them. youre making progress."
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131. "if you're not you're slipping."
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It's been a gravy-train money-grab for decades. Ain't no way I'd be caught out here caping for Biden/Clinton without some incentive.
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109. "bernie is losing it over this cuba/china/etc segment."
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112. "he shouldn’t have agreed to this debate.."
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he’s clearly out of gas.

  

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114. "i feel bad for him."
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hes attacking biden for shit he did years ago. shit the average voter doesnt even care about.

and bernie is stumbling on shit relating to his recent developments. bernie is also clearly unprepared to address some of those things even though theyve been major topics for a while now.

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113. "damn bernie completely deflected on his lack of black support."
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115. "How hard is it to articulate "
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“We shouldn’t be behind anybody in providing for our citizens, especially dictatorships”

All this hemming and hawing

  

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117. "im shocked he wasnt ready for that."
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116. "is bernie really tryna say he would bring unprecedented turnout"
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in the general?

has he been watching his election?

i mean...he just admitted that the two groups he does best with usually have the lowest turnout.

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120. "only saw the last half hour "
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Biden looked in control. Bernie looked like Bernie

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124. "Welp. Commited to woman VP + adopted progressive platform changes"
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Please lord let these be signs it'll be Warren.


Hard pass on Amy and Kamala.


Maybe Kamala is this black female Supreme Court nominee he keeps alluding too tho. That would actually make a ton of sense. Would get some HBCU representation up in there with the Ivy League backgrounds too.

  

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130. "I'm guessing Amy due to location "
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Though Amy or Liz puts those Senate seats at risk. Kamala not so much

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154. "I'm coming around on Abrams. If they're gonna prioritize box-checking,"
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then Georgia actually is somewhat in play too and she wouldn't jeopardize a seat in Congress. Plus she's a competent executive, given her work with Fair Fight action etc. There's enough substance there that I like her as a choice even if folks are only bringing her up because she's a black woman.


I don't know if I'll ever come around on Amy as a good match for him tho.



  

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134. "Damn.. y’all love some Biden "
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135. "This was supposed to be where he got exposed, right?"
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and Dems could see how bad they fucked up? Biden's senile, creepy, out of touch, has a trash voting record, can't remember what he just said, or tell the difference between his wife and his sister.

was all supposed to come to light now that he had more time to talk. Couple people here were pretty much saying he didn't want it with Bernie in a one on one.

Bern might as well drop out now. I think he probably will. At very least he seems to like Joe more than he liked Hillary.

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136. "His voting record was exposed. "
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137. "Biden did well enough to win the nomination last night"
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No major gaffes and he seemed sharp enough. Blatantly lying about his history of flip flopping but that doesn't seem to matter to people anymore. The average voter doesn't seem to care about Bernie's principles and how he's consistently defended them throughout his career. Meanwhile, Biden's voting record is built on going against progressive issues (desegregation, abortion, gay marriage) until the tide changes and it's accepted by the mainstream and convenient for him to take a stand. A true politician's politician, similar to the democrat who lost in 2016.

As for the creepiness, well that will probably only come to light in the general election. The video's been mostly scrubbed from the internet and anyone who raises it will be painted a MAGA stan. Apparently it's okay to rub children's chests as long as the people who accuse you of it are Trump or Bernie fans.

Biden gave me some hope last night though. If he can stay this sharp and Trump continues to fuck up the Coronavirus crisis then hopefully he'll win the general election and implement some progressive policies. If not, we can all blame the Bernie Bros for wanting a candidate who fought for the disenfranchised his whole life. Sadly, this country simply isn't ready for a progressive candidate but hopefully Bernie motivated the younger generation enough that they'll one day elect one.

  

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138. "True... he did fine"
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and by fine I mean he didn’t shit his pants or forget where he was.. lol.

But it’s not like he defended his record well.

This exchange was hilarious.

Bernie: you have a SuperPAC when you said wouldn’t Jo
Joe: you have 9 SuperPAC’s Bernie
Bernie: no I don’t.. name them
Joe: I’ll name them.. you don’t want me to name them
Bernie: name them.. go ahead
Joe: bahhh

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145. "Yea that exchange was v bad hahah. Bern was like "go 'head bruh""
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>and by fine I mean he didn’t shit his pants or forget where
>he was.. lol.
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>But it’s not like he defended his record well.
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>This exchange was hilarious.
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>Bernie: you have a SuperPAC when you said wouldn’t Jo
>Joe: you have 9 SuperPAC’s Bernie
>Bernie: no I don’t.. name them
>Joe: I’ll name them.. you don’t want me to name them
>Bernie: name them.. go ahead
>Joe: bahhh
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152. "lol that's pretty funny"
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didn't see this part

>This exchange was hilarious.
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>Bernie: you have a SuperPAC when you said wouldn’t Jo
>Joe: you have 9 SuperPAC’s Bernie
>Bernie: no I don’t.. name them
>Joe: I’ll name them.. you don’t want me to name them
>Bernie: name them.. go ahead
>Joe: bahhh
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158. "It was like 2 old dudes arguing over women in their past"
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160. "that was pretty funny"
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141. "bernie was largely rudderless because he has no real objective"
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or goal for continuing to stay in the race. so there was nothing to specifically gameplan and execute this debate. so he basically just resorted to tearing down biden (which has basically become the 'progressive' political mantra at this point...see vex complaining that bernie should be less cordial).

hes pretty much given up winning because hes down big and his prospects are getting worse each poll.

and hes an old dog with only a few old tricks. he cant really adapt to new stimuli and hasnt really broadened his knowledge/pitch much outside of his rigid ideological agenda.

this was highlighted in the coronavirus discussion. bernies answer to the crisis was basically medicare for all medicare for all medicare for all. bidens answer was more encompassing and indicative of someone who has actually served at the highest tier of an administration and knows how the levers of government actually work.

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149. "except I never said he should be "less cordial""
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I said he should be more aggressive - and he was a bit more aggressive last night. But the point remains: for all the crying about how "mean" Bernie and his supporters are - he's been nothing but respectful to his opponents - but that doesn't mean he shouldn't go on the offensive more. He should.


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153. "this"
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>this was highlighted in the coronavirus discussion. bernies
>answer to the crisis was basically medicare for all medicare
>for all medicare for all. bidens answer was more encompassing
>and indicative of someone who has actually served at the
>highest tier of an administration and knows how the levers of
>government actually work.

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162. "RE: how the levers of government actually work."
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They don’t, that’s the point...pretty much of his entire campaign

If that’s not readily apparent to all amid this pandemic..,IDK what to tell you

Do you think there’s a 2 month delay in response...if everyone had healthcare?

Testing
Response
Resources

I would assume...we would be better prepared if everyone was provided with healthcare

40 repugs voted against the house bill for Coronavirus relief

We wouldn’t even have to go through the political charade

But that’s not even the right question

Where’s the money coming from?
$8B
$50B
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We went from...can’t afford it...to...we should cut checks like W.

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Public Health Experts: Single-Payer Systems Coping With Coronavirus More Effectively Than For-Profit Model

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/16/public-health-experts-single-payer-systems-coping-coronavirus-more-effectively

"Having a healthcare system that's a public strategic asset rather than a business run for profit allows for a degree of coordination and optimal use of resources."
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A medical staff member talks with a man with suspected symptoms of the COVID-19 coronavirus, at a testing facility in Seoul on March 4, 2020. (Photo: Jung Yeon-Je/AFP via Getty Images)
As the coronavirus pandemic places extraordinary strain on national healthcare systems around the world, public health experts are making the case that countries with universal single-payer systems have thus far responded more efficiently and effectively to the outbreak than nations like the United States, whose fragmented for-profit apparatus has struggled to cope with the growing crisis.

"There is no need for people to worry about the tests or vaccine or cost of care if people become ill."
—Helen Buckingham, Nuffield Trust
"It is too soon to see definite outcomes among competing healthcare systems. But even in this early phase, public health experts say the single-payer, state-run systems are proving themselves relatively robust," the Washington Post reported Sunday. "Unlike the United States, where a top health official told Congress the rollout of testing was 'failing' and where Congress is only now moving through a bill that includes free testing, the single-payer countries have been especially nimble at making free, or low-cost, virus screening widely available for patients with coughs and fevers."

While the Trump administration only recently took steps to massively expand COVID-19 testing—sparking concerns that the outbreak in the U.S. is far more severe than official numbers suggest—countries with forms of single-payer healthcare like South Korea and Denmark have for weeks been offering "drive-through" testing and other innovative mechanisms, allowing them to quickly test hundreds of thousands of their citizens and respond accordingly.

"Unhampered government intervention into the healthcare sector is an advantage when the virus is spreading fast across the country," said Choi Jae-wook, a professor of preventive medicine at Korea University in Seoul.


Jorgen Kurtzhals, the head of the University of Copenhagen medical school, told the Post that the strength of Denmark's single-payer system is that it has "a lot of really highly educated and well-trained staff, and given some quite un-detailed instructions, they can actually develop plans for an extremely rapid response."

"We don't have to worry too much about whether this response or that response demands specific payments here and there," said Kurtzhals said. "We are aware that there will be huge expenditure within the system. But we're not too concerned about it because we have a direct line of communication from the national government to the regional government to the hospital directors."

None of which is to say that countries with forms of single-payer healthcare or nationalized systems are flawlessly handling the COVID-19 pandemic, which has infected at least 173,000 people and killed more than 6,000 worldwide.

"We don't have to worry too much about whether this response or that response demands specific payments here and there."
—Jorgen Kurtzhals, University of Copenhagen
Britain's National Health Service (NHS), following years of austerity imposed by Conservative governments, is facing staff and supply shortages as hospitals are being overwhelmed with patients. Canada, like the U.K., is struggling with a shortage of ventilators.

But Helen Buckingham, director of strategy and operations at the London-based Nuffield Trust think tank, told the Post that the NHS is in a relatively good position to cope with COVID-19 because it has "a very clear emergency planning structure."

Additionally, Buckingham noted, "there is no need for people to worry about the tests or vaccine or cost of care if people become ill."

David Fisman, an epidemiologist at the University of Toronto, said that in a "time of crisis" like the coronavirus pandemic, "having a healthcare system that's a public strategic asset rather than a business run for profit allows for a degree of coordination and optimal use of resources."

During the Democratic presidential primary debate Sunday night in Washington, D.C., former Vice President Joe Biden cited Italy's struggles to contain COVID-19 as evidence that the Medicare for All system advocated by rival candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) would not be effective in a pandemic. Italy has been the hardest-hit country outside China with nearly 25,000 cases of the novel coronavirus.

"With all due respect for Medicare for All, you have a single-payer system in Italy," said Biden. "It doesn't work there."

Critics were quick to take issue with Biden's talking point. " isn't the reason Italy is having problems," tweeted HuffPost healthcare reporter Jonathan Cohn. "Italy's problem is health system capacity. Independent of health system design."


Dr. David Himmelstein, co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program and distinguished professor of public health at the City University of New York at Hunter College, said in a statement Sunday night that the "fragmented system" in the United States "leaves public health separate and disconnected from medical care, and provides no mechanism to appropriately balance funding priorities."

"As a result, public health accounts for less than 3 percent of overall health expenditures, a percentage that has been falling for decades, and is about half the proportion in Canada or the U.K.," said Himmselstein. "One result is that state and local health departments that are the front lines in dealing with epidemics have lost 50,000 position since 2008 due to budget cuts."

On the debate stage Sunday evening, Sanders made the case for transitioning the U.S. to a single-payer program, arguing that the coronavirus "exposes the incredible weakness and dysfunctionality of our current healthcare system."

"How in God's name does it happen," said Sanders, "that we end up with 87 million people who are uninsured or underinsured and there are people who are watching this program tonight who are saying, 'I'm not feeling well. Should I go to the doctor? But I can't afford to go to the doctor. What happens if I am sick?'"

"So the word has got to go out, and I certainly would do this as president: You don't worry," Sanders added. "People of America, do not worry about the cost of prescription drugs. Do not worry about the cost of the healthcare that you're going to get, because we are a nation—a civilized democratic society. Everybody, rich and poor, middle class, will get the care they need. The drug companies will not rip us off."

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161. "i wasnt really sure what bernie was trying to accomplish last night"
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cnn was saying that he was giving biden a chance to appeal to his voters and that biden didnt take it. didnt really seem like thats what happened.

i definitely bernie was overplaying his hand on medicare for all. if he was better at this the argument would make itself. no doubt if we had a system where people didnt need to worry about the costs more people would have been tested and the curve would have been flattened. now were waiting on mitch to pass the house bill that will allow this for the coronavirus.

italy shows that both systems can suck at some aspects so focusing on that wasnt the best move.

  

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140. "you really be flustered when people dont stan for bernie."
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i dont know if this is a recent turn for you but i dont remember you being like this in the past.

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146. "Nah.. but I’m not gonna nut hug Joe until the general"
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Like I said before.. I predicted early on Joe would be the nominee and the best chance to beat Trump.

But that doesn’t mean I like him or will cheer for him in the primary.

He still ain’t shit.



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139. "So...BHO didn’t actually do anything...it was ALL Biden "
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Dude has taken credit for ERRYTHING

He’s fixed every problem...yet, those problems persist

and now he’s adopting progressive policies that we were told couldn’t be done and/or paid for

Nah man, I ain’t buying it (c)

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142. "How do Joe and Kamala get past "that little girl was me"?"
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1. I agree KH is the best choice. If she doesn't take it, make her AG. That said

2. How do you think they overcome their beef over the bussing bomb she dropped in the debates? You know #notmypresident will go after

  

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143. "That's the greatest storyline ever for a convention. "
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Candidates who were once bitter rivals during the primary season come together for the common good of defeating Trump? It will play very well.



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148. "Stop being dramatic. Shit happens every 4 years.. lol"
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147. "Easy. Same way Hilldawg got over Obama spanking that azz"
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It’s just the primary.

It’s like players in the NBA fighting. They still gonna team up and play in the Olympics.

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150. "By, instead, selecting a female running mate who competently led"
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an organization this cycle, presidential campaign or otherwise, that didn't implode spectacularly.


lol.


They could avoid the issue you raise altogether if he does that.

It's the Dems tho.

  

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157. "was that really that contentious?"
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Trump shat on Cruz's wife and said his dad killed JFK

The Clintons were terrible towards Obama, because he cut the line.

A viral moment over bussing seems pretty mild compared to other primary spats we've seen.

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159. "Yup.. but WE talk about Cruz like he is a lil bitch for bending the knee"
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165. "he is... and worse."
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168. "oh he definitely is lol"
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just pointing out we've seen much worse then a brief spat over bussing of all things.

Cruz is bitch as are many republicans but they're also practical, in that they know this clown would push their agenda through

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183. "I know he is.. lol. "
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179. "political opportunism "
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That's what happens when you're cool with just swaying in the winds of political expediency.

Kamala would best be served as AG imo.

If Biden wants to win - he needs to go bold and run with Warren.

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194. "Fam, they are on the same team and have no light between them on policy...."
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How could them working together be political expediency?!?

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151. "what would bidens priorities be if elected?"
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what are some things youre sure he would get done/passed and some that you think he would try to but might not get past republicans?

  

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155. "shouldn’t we know that at this point in the process "
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163. "The sign language through the nursing home window..."
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https://i.redd.it/41qufjeik1n41.jpg

Yeah, he’s still lying...constantly

They’re internet posts and podcast anecdotes...that he’s inserting himself into

Why’s he lie so much?

When he said it...I was like...why wouldn’t they use the phone?

SMH, his lies don’t even make sense.

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164. "I hate these little anecdotes that candidates use"
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"I was in X and met a person there who is *insert terrible hardship here*"

Like they want credit for observing something. Shut up.

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166. "The bankruptcy bill, social security cuts, iraq war"
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He lied...pretty much about everything last night.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/factchecking-the-march-democratic-debate/

MFers in here partying on Bern's L

Gonna be really surprised by the commercials of Biden calling for social security cuts...not 1...not 2...not 3...but 4Xs (c) Status Quo Joe...running next to videos of him pinching 9Y.O. girls' nipples

SMH, this is the best we can do?

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167. "He doesn't think it matters"
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Our politics isn't about addressing people's material needs. It's about which team you're on. If Biden's on the good team, it doesn't matter that he's distorting his long record.

We're just going to have to keep narrowing and narrowing and narrowing our politics until we're sufficiently alienated from the idea that politics is a way to improve our lives. Because as long as we think that politics can help us, we may want hold people who were in positions of power during our nation's previous crushing decisions accountable.

Can't have that. There are consultants whose jobs are on the line here.

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170. "Because 99% of ppl don’t care whether they tell the truth or not"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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174. "Apparently, they did in 1988"
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So...in order to defeat Trumpster...we have to become Trumpster

The strategy for winning the general is nominating a compulsive lying misogynist racist that boomers will vote for

That sound like a W to you?

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178. "yeha but im squarely a Anybody But Trump guy"
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so idc who it is. if folks think biden is the guy then we ride w/ biden

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181. "RE: yeha but im squarely a Anybody But Trump guy"
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https://youtu.be/S9OqUWMQfRo

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171. "yall really hating julian"
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signed joaquin

  

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172. "because he looks like an alien"
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173. "im pretty sure he was born in the usa"
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dont be racist








jokes

  

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184. "ya'll missed each other with two amazing takes. "
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175. "I'm hoping he ends up as Sec of DHS, personally."
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He was most passionate about immigration issues during the debates, plus he has a legal background and I think latin american representation would be particularly meaningful in that role post-45.

We'll see tho.


Edit: I actually didn't mind him as a candidate, and I hope he runs again in the future. He just didn't resonate with folks at this moment, like at all *shrug*

  

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177. "he definitely needs more exposure"
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obviously biden isnt considering him as VP (at least no anymore) but he needs a high profile position where he would be in the public eye if hes hoping to run again.

hes someone i didnt really spend much time looking into to be honest. what i had seen seemed good.

  

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180. "Illinois Airs Primary Results Before Election"
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https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/biden-bernie-primary-results-aired-early-video/

AOC was right to call into question the fairness of these primaries. Add Illinois onto the long-growing list of states featuring questionable election integrity.

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182. "If the results tomorrow are close it’s suspect as