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"Poll question: Who will be Biden's VP?"


          

This may likely be the most consequential VP selection in recent memory, given Biden's clear deficiencies.

Make the case for who his VP should be.

Poll result (42 votes)
Kamala Harris (17 votes)Vote
Julian Castro (0 votes)Vote
Stacey Abrams (7 votes)Vote
Elizabeth Warren (7 votes)Vote
Amy Klobuchar (7 votes)Vote
Other (name) (4 votes)Vote

  

  

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KH
Mar 10th 2020
1
Delete this BULLSHIT
Mar 10th 2020
2
He needs a young, strong task-manager at VP
Mar 11th 2020
20
Klobuchar. It's gotta be a lady. And I don't think Kamala adds much
Mar 10th 2020
3
Klobuchar got baggage so that's a no for her
Mar 10th 2020
5
      What baggage?
Mar 10th 2020
6
           Myon Burrell
Mar 10th 2020
12
nina turner.
Mar 10th 2020
4
Keep an eye out for Val Demings.
Mar 10th 2020
7
Why Abrams?
Mar 10th 2020
8
RE: Why Abrams?
Mar 10th 2020
10
      RE: Why Abrams?
Mar 12th 2020
72
Interesting.
Mar 10th 2020
9
never thought of that. does that seem like the party's style though?
Mar 11th 2020
19
      It couldn't just be about impeachment, I agree.
Mar 11th 2020
52
Here's why I think Warren may be a smart choice
Mar 10th 2020
11
I love(d) E-Dubs but I'm not sure her performance in the primary ...
Mar 10th 2020
15
Hillary Clinton
Mar 10th 2020
13
Bernie
Mar 10th 2020
14
hell naw lol
Mar 11th 2020
18
Biden Bros not smart enough to unify the left...
Mar 11th 2020
38
I have no clue. There's rumors here in MI that it might be the gov
Mar 10th 2020
16
Old Spice
Mar 11th 2020
17
I think it should be Warren
Mar 11th 2020
21
Would that make sense given the lack of endorsement as of yet
Mar 11th 2020
23
      Maybe
Mar 11th 2020
30
she wouldn't do it, but you know who would lock this up for him
Mar 11th 2020
22
Horrible choice
Mar 11th 2020
24
For so many reasons.
Mar 11th 2020
27
a horrible choice that has a 00.01% chance of losing
Mar 11th 2020
28
      How does Condi help Biden win ?
Mar 11th 2020
45
oh nah. That would fuckin end it for me
Mar 11th 2020
29
Hell to the No!
Mar 11th 2020
31
Hell to the No!
Mar 11th 2020
Hell to the No!
Mar 11th 2020
Hell to the No!
Mar 11th 2020
32
that will drive up the young progressive vote!
Mar 11th 2020
33
because they've sure been turning out for bernie, huh?
Mar 11th 2020
34
      are you aware Bernie has 684 of the delegates?
Mar 11th 2020
36
      you gotta win some states to win the nom
Mar 11th 2020
37
           ok no prob, sorry if i came off rude.
Mar 12th 2020
64
      even more reason to find someone that connects with them.
Mar 11th 2020
39
Perfect. Change nothing
Mar 11th 2020
42
I don’t like it
Mar 11th 2020
47
      You should like it!
Mar 11th 2020
49
           But you keep real liberals happy because that war criminal
Mar 11th 2020
51
lmao I love OKP.
Mar 11th 2020
44
when in doubt, just lean right
Mar 11th 2020
50
      i mean, we DO live in a center right country unfortunately
Mar 11th 2020
53
           fair point. that's why engaging younger voters at this juncture is key
Mar 11th 2020
55
                yep i get that
Mar 11th 2020
56
^^^look at all these SEXISTS^^^
Mar 18th 2020
230
Only real choice for us is to #WriteInBernie
Mar 11th 2020
25
its def getting a lot harder to tell.
Mar 11th 2020
26
James Carville picks Gretchen Whitmer
Mar 11th 2020
35
Warren was my candidate, don't need her to be the VP though.
Mar 11th 2020
40
*fist pump*
Mar 11th 2020
41
I would be disappointed with anyone other than a black woman.
Mar 11th 2020
43
Ayo
Mar 11th 2020
46
RE: Ayo
Mar 11th 2020
48
I wouldn't be disappointed if the VP isn't a Black woman.
Mar 12th 2020
68
really should be a progressive IMO Pressley? Baldwin?
Mar 11th 2020
54
I think it would be a mistake to think the goal would be to get new vote...
Mar 11th 2020
59
      fair point...I somewhat misspoke
Mar 11th 2020
60
           I think Kamala has the benefit of being ready to be President
Mar 12th 2020
61
The Hologram of Harold Washington
Mar 11th 2020
57
LMAO
Mar 11th 2020
58
my n...
Mar 12th 2020
71
Status Quo Joe’s Cabinet = retun to normalcy
Mar 12th 2020
62
Yea expect the old boys to be back
Mar 12th 2020
63
I can't blame people for setting the bar low at a time like this
Mar 12th 2020
65
      you absolutely can
Mar 12th 2020
66
           I agree but apparently most americans do not
Mar 12th 2020
67
Not the exciting pick, but Klobuchar makes the most sense
Mar 12th 2020
69
this is horrifying
Mar 14th 2020
83
I will veto M4A (c) Status Quo Joe
Mar 12th 2020
70
I have no empathy for the younger generation (c) Status Quo Joe
Mar 13th 2020
73
dude already has a highlight reel of egregious gaffes & fight tapes
Mar 13th 2020
74
Ugh. I've been avoiding this post lol. Feels like ppl are sleepwalking
Mar 13th 2020
75
hosting jimmy kimmel really boosts your vp chances eh?
Mar 13th 2020
76
lol nah
Mar 13th 2020
79
damn you came with a well-sourced thesis response on this lol
Mar 13th 2020
77
      lol! the vp talk strikes a nerve
Mar 13th 2020
78
Paul Ryan was correct (c) Status Quo Joe
Mar 14th 2020
80
Jesus Christ thats terrifying
Mar 14th 2020
81
Chopped up
Mar 14th 2020
82
them niggas might as well be trump supporters at this point.
Mar 14th 2020
85
      Yep they need to break out the red hats and start wearing them
Mar 14th 2020
88
you should be embarrassed sharing something that obviously chopped
Mar 14th 2020
94
      FACT CHECK: JOE BIDEN HAS ADVOCATED CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY FOR 40 YEARS
Mar 14th 2020
95
           why are you yelling
Mar 14th 2020
96
                ^^^ offended by cut and paste
Mar 16th 2020
156
Average Joe fumbling through a virtual town-hall, barely able to speak
Mar 14th 2020
84
if only retweets were votes lol.
Mar 14th 2020
86
      This the Dem nom you've been hyping for months fam.
Mar 14th 2020
87
           your king is 0-2 in primaries fam.
Mar 14th 2020
89
                lol @ 'your king' -- Sanders is a flawed candidate - like them all
Mar 14th 2020
90
                     *hands you a donut and a cup of water*
Mar 14th 2020
91
                     the person who did the study specifically says it doesn't prove anything
Mar 14th 2020
97
                          That’s not the point of the article. But be big sad if you’d like
Mar 14th 2020
98
                               the study did not provide any data supporting or disproving that
Mar 23rd 2020
264
hmm
Mar 14th 2020
92
biden endorses warrens bankruptcy bill.
Mar 14th 2020
93
biden endorses plan for tuition-free public colleges & universities
Mar 15th 2020
99
Imagine the left wing called Pete Republican/Center-Right over this
Mar 15th 2020
100
      everybody who doesnt pray to bernie is a republican to them.
Mar 15th 2020
106
Debate heating up
Mar 15th 2020
101
Bernie gotta throw some big shots. He's down on the cards
Mar 15th 2020
102
but youre calling for him to be meaner.
Mar 15th 2020
104
      no, I'm calling for him to be more aggressive - which he's doing now
Mar 15th 2020
107
           bernie is a leader with no signature legislation in 30 yrs of congress?
Mar 15th 2020
110
                Seems Biden thinks so; now that he's following Sanders on policy
Mar 15th 2020
119
                     he understands he needs a pitch to bernie voters to unify the party.
Mar 15th 2020
121
                          Exactly - Biden is a blank-check; can be manipulated to do whatever
Mar 15th 2020
126
                               this is pretty bad even for you.
Mar 15th 2020
127
                               Isn't that kinda the point ?
Mar 15th 2020
128
                                    biden is doing *exactly* what vex has said he needs to do.
Mar 15th 2020
129
                                    right? his meltdown is getting sad at this point
Mar 15th 2020
133
                                    lol that's who you think has been driving Biden's bad policies?
Mar 15th 2020
132
                                         lol damn you are an embarrassment.
Mar 16th 2020
144
A woman, according to the debate tonight
Mar 15th 2020
103
biden already won the night with the vp and supreme court pledges.
Mar 15th 2020
105
      lol nice to see your bar is as low as David Frum's
Mar 15th 2020
108
           you follow david frum?
Mar 15th 2020
111
                you must - you just essentially retweeted him.
Mar 15th 2020
118
                     a ton of journalists mirrored the same sentiment.
Mar 15th 2020
122
                          damn fam you sure love you some CNN & Joey Biden
Mar 15th 2020
123
                               you didnt accuse me of being paid by them. youre making progress.
Mar 15th 2020
125
                                    if you're not you're slipping.
Mar 15th 2020
131
bernie is losing it over this cuba/china/etc segment.
Mar 15th 2020
109
he shouldn’t have agreed to this debate..
Mar 15th 2020
112
i feel bad for him.
Mar 15th 2020
114
damn bernie completely deflected on his lack of black support.
Mar 15th 2020
113
How hard is it to articulate
Mar 15th 2020
115
      im shocked he wasnt ready for that.
Mar 15th 2020
117
is bernie really tryna say he would bring unprecedented turnout
Mar 15th 2020
116
only saw the last half hour
Mar 15th 2020
120
Welp. Commited to woman VP + adopted progressive platform changes
Mar 15th 2020
124
I'm guessing Amy due to location
Mar 15th 2020
130
      I'm coming around on Abrams. If they're gonna prioritize box-checking,
Mar 16th 2020
154
Damn.. y’all love some Biden
Mar 15th 2020
134
This was supposed to be where he got exposed, right?
Mar 15th 2020
135
His voting record was exposed.
Mar 16th 2020
136
Biden did well enough to win the nomination last night
Mar 16th 2020
137
      True... he did fine
Mar 16th 2020
138
      Yea that exchange was v bad hahah. Bern was like "go 'head bruh"
Mar 16th 2020
145
      lol that's pretty funny
Mar 16th 2020
152
      It was like 2 old dudes arguing over women in their past
Mar 16th 2020
158
      that was pretty funny
Mar 16th 2020
160
      bernie was largely rudderless because he has no real objective
Mar 16th 2020
141
           except I never said he should be "less cordial"
Mar 16th 2020
149
           this
Mar 16th 2020
153
           RE: how the levers of government actually work.
Mar 16th 2020
162
                Public Health Experts: Single-Payer Systems Coping With Coronavirus More...
Mar 16th 2020
169
           i wasnt really sure what bernie was trying to accomplish last night
Mar 16th 2020
161
you really be flustered when people dont stan for bernie.
Mar 16th 2020
140
      Nah.. but I’m not gonna nut hug Joe until the general
Mar 16th 2020
146
So...BHO didn’t actually do anything...it was ALL Biden
Mar 16th 2020
139
How do Joe and Kamala get past "that little girl was me"?
Mar 16th 2020
142
That's the greatest storyline ever for a convention.
Mar 16th 2020
143
Stop being dramatic. Shit happens every 4 years.. lol
Mar 16th 2020
148
Easy. Same way Hilldawg got over Obama spanking that azz
Mar 16th 2020
147
By, instead, selecting a female running mate who competently led
Mar 16th 2020
150
was that really that contentious?
Mar 16th 2020
157
Yup.. but WE talk about Cruz like he is a lil bitch for bending the knee
Mar 16th 2020
159
      he is... and worse.
Mar 16th 2020
165
      oh he definitely is lol
Mar 16th 2020
168
           I know he is.. lol.
Mar 16th 2020
183
political opportunism
Mar 16th 2020
179
      Fam, they are on the same team and have no light between them on policy....
Mar 17th 2020
194
what would bidens priorities be if elected?
Mar 16th 2020
151
shouldn’t we know that at this point in the process
Mar 16th 2020
155
The sign language through the nursing home window...
Mar 16th 2020
163
I hate these little anecdotes that candidates use
Mar 16th 2020
164
The bankruptcy bill, social security cuts, iraq war
Mar 16th 2020
166
      He doesn't think it matters
Mar 16th 2020
167
Because 99% of ppl don’t care whether they tell the truth or not
Mar 16th 2020
170
      Apparently, they did in 1988
Mar 16th 2020
174
           yeha but im squarely a Anybody But Trump guy
Mar 16th 2020
178
                RE: yeha but im squarely a Anybody But Trump guy
Mar 16th 2020
181
yall really hating julian
Mar 16th 2020
171
because he looks like an alien
Mar 16th 2020
172
im pretty sure he was born in the usa
Mar 16th 2020
173
      I'm pretty sure he was born in Uncanny Valley
Mar 16th 2020
176
           ya'll missed each other with two amazing takes.
Mar 17th 2020
184
                nah I think we heard each other lol
Mar 17th 2020
203
I'm hoping he ends up as Sec of DHS, personally.
Mar 16th 2020
175
      he definitely needs more exposure
Mar 16th 2020
177
Illinois Airs Primary Results Before Election
Mar 16th 2020
180
If the results tomorrow are close it’s suspect as hell.. lmao.
Mar 16th 2020
182
That Roque De La Fuente is gonna give Trump a real fight
Mar 17th 2020
185
Wait... who?
Mar 17th 2020
187
lol cmon man.
Mar 17th 2020
186
Yang is the only one who would...
Mar 17th 2020
188
Hillary will be the VP. Biden's then gonna have an "accident..."
Mar 17th 2020
189
dont call it a comeback
Mar 17th 2020
190
Dear sweet baby Jesus, please be abrams
Mar 17th 2020
191
I don't even think it matters. or rather... let me correct that
Mar 17th 2020
192
bernie surrogates blaming the dnc for primary election decisions
Mar 17th 2020
193
i see people pushing for warren as vp but she doesnt add anything imo.
Mar 17th 2020
195
She still did better than Kamala and led a functional campaign org.
Mar 18th 2020
212
Kamala brings nothing to the table
Mar 18th 2020
216
agreed.
Mar 18th 2020
227
damn you hatin on a sista!
Mar 18th 2020
217
Lol, I don't hate Kamala. But I *was* extremely disappointed with her
Mar 18th 2020
226
Performance in the primary isn't a good metric either, though.
Mar 18th 2020
224
      I hear where you're coming from. I acknowledge my bias on this
Mar 18th 2020
228
they seem like a weird match
Mar 18th 2020
214
bloomberg still pulling votes from biden in fl smh.
Mar 17th 2020
196
tulsi gabbard currently coming in behind 4 candidates not running.
Mar 17th 2020
197
Lol losing to people who are not in the race
Mar 17th 2020
208
big boost in turnout projected in fl primary. even in a pandemic.
Mar 17th 2020
199
fl voters trust biden over sanders on social security by big margin.
Mar 17th 2020
202
      Damn Bernie people was pushing the social security attack hard
Mar 17th 2020
207
           he hired a worse campaign staff this go round.
Mar 17th 2020
211
                Another reason I knew that strategy would be ineffective is the fact
Mar 18th 2020
213
                     those attacks are generally ineffective anyway.
Mar 18th 2020
219
let us all hope that David Frum, Bill Kristol et al will GOTV
Mar 17th 2020
198
damn you really hate voters for not picking the weakest candidate huh?
Mar 17th 2020
200
lol exactly. NeoCons hype as hell for a Biden candidacy
Mar 17th 2020
201
Why do you care? You said youre not voting. Your opinion means nothing
Mar 17th 2020
204
Sanders would need a lot more help in GOTV
Mar 17th 2020
205
      This is true
Mar 17th 2020
206
      Salute for acknowledging it. If only though Warren had more of a Bernie...
Mar 18th 2020
218
      yup this is the harsh reality.
Mar 18th 2020
220
biden won every single county in fl. and is leading in all but 1 in il.
Mar 17th 2020
209
Damn losing voters
Mar 17th 2020
210
Michelle Obama
Mar 18th 2020
215
Sally Yates
Mar 18th 2020
221
last night was a ringing endorsement for vote by mail.
Mar 18th 2020
222
rest of the primary should be done via mail-in ballots
Mar 18th 2020
223
Bernie Sanders to 'assess' presidential campaign
Mar 18th 2020
225
i hope he stays in through wisconsin.
Mar 18th 2020
229
Latino voters.... another failure of this 'coalition'
Mar 19th 2020
232
tulsi gabbard drops out and endorses biden. somebody check on vex.
Mar 19th 2020
231
LOL damn I missed the Biden part when I posted in the other thread
Mar 19th 2020
233
lol
Mar 19th 2020
234
here is her official announcement btw. very good imo.
Mar 19th 2020
236
the comments. drink every time someone says establishment
Mar 19th 2020
237
      im not even sure these people know what they want anymore.
Mar 19th 2020
239
she always said she was going to endorse the nominee
Mar 19th 2020
238
      salute to her for being a team player.
Mar 19th 2020
240
      thank you for not going Michael Tracey Mode
Mar 23rd 2020
269
           yea seeing Neera Tenden & Jonathan Chait admit they were wrong
Mar 25th 2020
283
damn where is kirsten gillibrand?
Mar 19th 2020
235
Here she is
Mar 19th 2020
241
      OK she doesn't have to fucking lie.
Mar 19th 2020
242
      LOL
Mar 19th 2020
243
      Lmao
Mar 20th 2020
245
      lol right on cue.
Mar 19th 2020
244
Study: How Black Donors Spent Their $$$ During Dem Primary (links)
Mar 20th 2020
246
A media report on the study (link). Apparently black support was ~13%
Mar 20th 2020
247
so bernie was treating aoc like a clingy sidechick?
Mar 22nd 2020
248
^^^ not trolling during a pandemic/national emergency
Mar 23rd 2020
249
lol right? Not sure what he thinks he's accomplishing with this
Mar 23rd 2020
250
Ah, but you repeating Fox News tropes about our candidate being 'missing...
Mar 23rd 2020
253
      Rich considering your anti-Bernie analysis is straight out of Breitbart
Mar 23rd 2020
254
      Obama & his team vs. Reeq & strav from OKP lol
Mar 23rd 2020
255
      glad you got a kick out of that.
Mar 23rd 2020
256
      That means a lot.
Mar 23rd 2020
258
      I guess I should be honored.
Mar 23rd 2020
259
      LOL, Breitbart, sure.
Mar 23rd 2020
260
           True. Biden set such a high standard of intellectualism
Mar 23rd 2020
261
      exactly. these dudes cant even fake outrage right.
Mar 23rd 2020
257
      Our saviour Bernie
Mar 24th 2020
274
Dude is entirely too focused on the wrong things.
Mar 23rd 2020
251
Like who should be our next President to lead us out of this Pandemic?
Mar 23rd 2020
262
      ^
Mar 23rd 2020
267
LOL this comment turned into a support group
Mar 24th 2020
273
in the middle of a pandemic you now have an excuse for living on
Mar 23rd 2020
252
"He just needs more of everything" (Politico swipe):
Mar 23rd 2020
263
Hmm, did some digging around on twitter lol and turns out 1/2 Warren's
Mar 23rd 2020
265
      aren't pacs limited in contribution amounts?
Mar 23rd 2020
266
      You know what you might be right. I'm not very well versed on how
Mar 23rd 2020
268
      i honestly cant comprehend being in a position to give $14m
Mar 24th 2020
271
           lol! I guess she really really liked her some Liz.
Mar 24th 2020
272
                i gave her $46 in the last week but ooof lol
Mar 24th 2020
275
                     She also donated to Sheriff Joe Arpaio
Mar 24th 2020
276
                          welcome back
Mar 24th 2020
277
                          'centrist coup' LOL
Mar 24th 2020
278
                          centrist coup got my stomach hurting fam. thanks for that.
Mar 24th 2020
281
      Not that Dark Money
Mar 24th 2020
280
      what an totally unserious sellout.
Mar 23rd 2020
270
           don't expect much news covering that debacle lol
Mar 24th 2020
279
           Just don't call her a snake because that so mean!
Mar 24th 2020
282
           all this nastiness...
Mar 25th 2020
285
bernie staying in race until new york.
Mar 25th 2020
284
he might win a single county this time
Mar 25th 2020
286
      lol its rough out here.
Mar 25th 2020
287
Biden accused of sexual assault
Mar 25th 2020
288
And heeeere we gooo ©
Mar 25th 2020
289
Some polls are starting to trickle in on this... Warren leads so far.
Mar 29th 2020
290
Looks like Gtretchen Witmer for the W
Apr 06th 2020
291
In more ways than one.
Apr 06th 2020
292
biden hasnt chosen whitmer.
Apr 06th 2020
293
      I know. Just saying *if*
Apr 06th 2020
294
This actually would be spot on-brand for today's Dem party
Apr 06th 2020
295
      Exactly.
Apr 06th 2020
296
      Sadly you are right. I hope we learned something from 2016.
Apr 08th 2020
297

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1. "KH"
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2. "Delete this BULLSHIT"
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>This may likely be the most consequential VP selection in
>recent memory, given Biden's clear deficiencies.
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>Make the case for who his VP should be.

Seriously, it's time to suspend some accounts unless you can ratelimit BULLSHIT.

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20. "He needs a young, strong task-manager at VP"
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So would have Sanders

  

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3. "Klobuchar. It's gotta be a lady. And I don't think Kamala adds much"
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Biden's got black folks sewed up. And I don't think Harris will get more on board.

Klobuchar can attract those midwest suburban white women that he desperately needs. Also it will secure Minnesota which is looking more and more like a state up for grabs

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5. "Klobuchar got baggage so that's a no for her"
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He can get the white women burbs with someone else.

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6. "What baggage?"
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12. "Myon Burrell"
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/24/politics/amy-klobuchar-myon-burrell-murder-conviction/index.html

Burrell told ABC News' "Live Prime" in an interview that aired Monday that Klobuchar is the "source of everything that happened."

"That's what the district attorney's job is, is to either charge or not charge. You never took the time to look into this case. You never took the time to go and actually see, is this true or is this false? You know what I mean?" Burrell said of Klobuchar.

"I believe she gave the police free rein and said, 'Just bring me back a conviction.' "

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4. "nina turner."
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7. "Keep an eye out for Val Demings."
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I think Stacy Abrams is more likely, and a lot of people are expecting Kamala Harris.

But if we want to make Trump mad, keeping the impeachment in the news would help.

  

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8. "Why Abrams?"
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What did she do besides lose the race for Governor?

Maybe I'm missing something. She doesn't have much name recognition. She doesn't seem like a dynamic speaker to me.
I just don't see why she is even on a long list of potential candidates

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10. "RE: Why Abrams?"
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Imo

https://fairfight.com/about-stacey-abrams/

Young people fuck with Abrams... and she has proven she can register and actually get new voters out. She is in this in a real way not just for the optics

I also have this weird feeling that white people like her

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72. "RE: Why Abrams?"
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>Imo
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>https://fairfight.com/about-stacey-abrams/
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>Young people fuck with Abrams... and she has proven she can
>register and actually get new voters out. She is in this in a
>real way not just for the optics
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>I also have this weird feeling that white people like her

All of This^

She mobilized the voters that Bernie talked about being able to mobilize.

Sometimes, giving up your dream isn't an option.

  

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9. "Interesting."
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19. "never thought of that. does that seem like the party's style though?"
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it seems like too specific of a choice for the party that loves taking the high road a little too often

I could back Kamala as VP, not sure about Abrams after her backing of Bloomberg

  

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52. "It couldn't just be about impeachment, I agree."
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It was something that people were talking about during the impeachment hearings, and it doesn't seem as natural now as it did then.

But the thinking then was simply "These house managers really know how to prosecute a case!" And Demings was arguably the second-best of them (apart from Adam Schiff, but we don't need a second white guy on the ticket and he'd probably rather keep his chairmanship anyway).

Maybe it comes down to whether impeachment comes back up in the early campaign, or whether they want it to come up in the later campaign.

But also, she's someone that not everybody expects (so the naming would capture a longer news cycle), but whom pretty much every Democrat could very strongly get behind.

Also, she's from Florida. If we can start winning Florida again, oh boy...

  

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11. "Here's why I think Warren may be a smart choice"
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(noting that I don't think she'll actually be the choice).

I fear that Biden is tracking like the Democratic Mitt Romney - who was a habitual loser in Presidential races. Biden is tracking on that trajectory - having already lost twice - and now he's going up against an incumbent (just as Romney was versus Obama).

Further - Romney was seen as a "safe" choice against Obama - a moderate who might coax away some swing voters as the most centrist of a candidate. The GOP begrudgingly settled on Romney just as the Dems just did with Biden.

Romney lost in a landslide.

Warren on the ticket would at least give Biden a chance to expand turnout. He's already going to get the moderate/older vote - and will appeal to a fair amount of swing-voters. With Warren on the ticket, at least you get some of the younger voters - and more of the Sanders base than he'd get with a Klobuchar-like VP ticket.
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15. "I love(d) E-Dubs but I'm not sure her performance in the primary ..."
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... gives me a lot of confidence that she'll jolt the folks needed to counterbalance all of Biden's endless shortcomings.

I'm not sure who *does* do that.

I agree with your Biden/Romney analogy for sure tho.

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13. "Hillary Clinton"
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14. "Bernie "
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18. "hell naw lol"
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38. "Biden Bros not smart enough to unify the left..."
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...but that move would be masterful

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16. "I have no clue. There's rumors here in MI that it might be the gov"
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granholm is aight or whatever, but I really don't know who you pair him with

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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17. "Old Spice"
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21. "I think it should be Warren"
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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23. "Would that make sense given the lack of endorsement as of yet"
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Are we waiting for a mutual show of good faith?

  

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30. "Maybe"
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I just don't want another Tim Kaine. I assume he is was a decent running mate, but man did he add nothing for me last election.

At least I feel with Warren, it would help Biden with the progressive wing. Plus if he won, I doubt he'd be able to pull a 2nd term, maybe it would lead to the 1st female Prez.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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22. "she wouldn't do it, but you know who would lock this up for him"
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Condi Rice

  

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24. "Horrible choice "
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>Condi Rice

No

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27. "For so many reasons."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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28. "a horrible choice that has a 00.01% chance of losing"
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IMO

  

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45. "How does Condi help Biden win ?"
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29. "oh nah. That would fuckin end it for me"
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31. "Hell to the No!"
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--
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"Hell to the No!"


  

          

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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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"Hell to the No!"


  

          

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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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32. "Hell to the No!"
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--
Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
-Ben (Reaper)

  

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33. "that will drive up the young progressive vote!"
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34. "because they've sure been turning out for bernie, huh?"
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36. "are you aware Bernie has 684 of the delegates?"
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....turnout isnt what we wanted, but thats a huge portion of left wing voters ..and that's not even counting the majority of independents

Keep rooting for the villains tho... it's a great look for you

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37. "you gotta win some states to win the nom"
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and you read me wrong - im not 'rooting' for anyone (truth is the two remaining guys were actually tied for dead last on my preference list from the initial field of candidates)
i want trump gone - thats it. im agnostic about how we get there.
I have opinions about how i think it may or may not happen, but ultimately i truly dont give a shit.

  

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64. "ok no prob, sorry if i came off rude."
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39. "even more reason to find someone that connects with them."
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42. "Perfect. Change nothing"
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Biden's running mate should 100% be an actual Republican with the blood of a half million Iraqis on her hands. This is an unequivocally excellent way to reach across the aisle with a running mate whose views adhere closely to Biden's long political history.

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47. "I don’t like it"
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But that’s a winning ticket
All I’m saying

If I were joe I’d also call bernz rn and tell him he’s got his pick of cabinet posts if he drops out in a timely manner

  

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49. "You should like it!"
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It's an incredibly good idea. Biden ropes in 70 year olds and people so terrified of Trump that they'll back anybody. And Rice brings in NeverTrump guys with NYT columns who spent 2006 workshopping euphemisms for torture.

It's not just a winning coalition. It's the only one that can win.

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51. "But you keep real liberals happy because that war criminal"
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is a Black woman

  

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44. "lmao I love OKP."
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50. "when in doubt, just lean right"
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53. "i mean, we DO live in a center right country unfortunately"
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our mainstream democrats would be the right wing in a lot of other places

  

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55. "fair point. that's why engaging younger voters at this juncture is key"
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we're not going to shift the discussion until there are more people that buy into the left's vision of the country's path forward

  

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56. "yep i get that"
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honestly I brought up biden-condi because it's the only ticket i can come up with that gets my dad (and a lot of folks like him) to not vote trump again

and im skeptical about the idea of a VP candidate actually engaging youth, given that this position is typically little more than window dressing - but if they can change that paradigm and really give a "biden is the present, fillintheblankVP is the future" type message, then that could be cool I will say.

  

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230. "^^^look at all these SEXISTS^^^"
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and racists too!

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25. "Only real choice for us is to #WriteInBernie "
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I be confusing the Russian bot hashtags with Bernie folks hashtags


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26. "its def getting a lot harder to tell."
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35. "James Carville picks Gretchen Whitmer"
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*shrug*

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40. "Warren was my candidate, don't need her to be the VP though. "
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I can't see making a 70+ year old VP. She should withhold her endorsement until she gets certain progressive promises from Biden and the party, and then return to the Senate to fight the good fight.


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41. "*fist pump*"
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43. "I would be disappointed with anyone other than a black woman. "
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Its time for a woman to get one of the slots.

And Biden owes his whole candidacy to Black People. If he approaches it as he has black people sewed up and can get a drab moderate like Amy K, it would be so disappointing and I believe, suppress black turnout. In other words, I think it should be more Clyburns call than Biden.

Kamala is such the safe choice, maybe too safe. I think it wouldn't be a terrible choice though because I think people want someone who can take over if Biden can't finish his term.

Abrams would be so dope, I think she would get the young people going. She has proven she can turn people out.

Val Demings seems dope. I don't know much about her but I love how she went in on impeachment.




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46. "Ayo"
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> She has proven she can turn people out.
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48. "RE: Ayo"
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lol yea pretty high praise for a losing gubernatorial candidate. I actually don't think Abrams would be ready at all if she was called on to serve as Prez. Kamala would be far more prepared to step into the job.

But Abrams is an option in this poll because I'm trying to understand the mind of the Biden voter lol - and I knew she'd be a popular choice.


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68. "I wouldn't be disappointed if the VP isn't a Black woman."
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>Its time for a woman to get one of the slots.

But I agree that the VP pick should be a woman, especially because women seem highly motivated to vote when Trump is on the ballot.

I have no idea who would be a good pick.

I sort of think the VP pick should be Latino. I wouldn't complain about Castro, really, but I like Castro when Warren is on the top of the ticket, a lot better. He's also not a woman.

Or...the VP could be, generally, a first or second generation immigrant. One reason Kamala works is that her story touches different aspects of the American experience that Americans can find some connection to.

I love Masie Hirono. Absolutely love. But I think she's most effective where she is. I also like Pramila Jayapal, but I don't think she's ready for prime time yet.

If the VP nominee is a White woman, she should be a so-called "nasty" woman like Warren. Although I think Warren is an excellent candidate and brilliant woman (she was my Presidential preferred candidate!), I doubt she would go over well in the general as VP.

Katie Porter, Warren's former student is a fantastic Representative and would likely be a good VP pick, but maybe like Jayapal...not quite yet for prime time. I hope Porter stays around because I can see myself voting for her for the Democratic nominee for President.

By prime time I mean: seasoned enough to view the party's vying for power through the lens of a multi-faceted strategy to take on Republican and right-wing opposition. Seasoned enough to withstand a united GOP, which has proven, time and again, to be a strategically ruthless and dark opponent with a deep bank account. Seasoned enough to use power to fight and check mate opponents. Seasoned enough to know how to win.

  

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54. "really should be a progressive IMO Pressley? Baldwin? "
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Not just for my own preference, but for the sake of ensuring turnout.

I really don't think Nina Turner would be a bad idea in this context.


No one seems to like my Ayana Pressley idea. She even brings squad energy, but still plays nice with the establishment.

You can have everyone from Warren to AOC out campaigning and it would still seem sincere.


Kamala seems like the logical choice if Biden/the party think theres a shot he can't finish his term. I don't think she brings in new voters to the fold though. If the K hive was as powerful as they think they are, she'd still be here.


Abrams...I get it but I don't get it. I don't think most (including myself) even know where she stands on issues. Maybe she should run the DNC or something. I dunno. I go back and forth. Had it been Bernie, I'd be a lot more down for her.


Playing the state game, Tammy Badlwin would seem to be a legit choice. I think black women deserve the nod here though.

  

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59. "I think it would be a mistake to think the goal would be to get new vote..."
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as opposed to activating impassioned voters.


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60. "fair point...I somewhat misspoke"
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I'm not sure who Kamala brings on board that isn't already.


There are some great points being made on her voting record regarding her progressive stances, but sometimes perception > reality


I think Ayana could potentially help motivate the youth and progressives more.


I think Baldwin could help lock in WI + progressives.


I know Dems sometimes get caught up in pipe dreams of flipping certain states blue, but if things go the way they are right now maybe Abrams does help flip GA.

Or Demming in FL


Shit, I think I'm more excited/nervous about the VP pick than anything at this point.


I do wonder if Klobuchar made a VP deal though.


Part of me gets the vibe Kamala isn't interested in VP, but I could be way off base on that. I probably am.

  

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61. "I think Kamala has the benefit of being ready to be President"
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if Biden can't finish a term. I don't think she activates voters though. I just didn't see her having an impassioned based.


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62. "Status Quo Joe’s Cabinet = retun to normalcy "
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Going back to 2008...is not progress

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/joe-biden-cabinet-vice-president-picks-b17882ac-3953-450f-8afb-38a3c8dcda57.html

Mike Bloomberg, who swiftly endorsed Biden after the former mayor's campaign collapsed, would be a top possibility to head the World Bank.

Jamie Dimon — chairman and CEO of JPMorgan Chase, and mentioned over the years as a potential presidential candidate — would also be considered for Treasury.

Anne Finucane, vice chairman of Bank of America, is another possibility for Treasury.

^^^this is not how you unify the party.

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63. "Yea expect the old boys to be back"
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What concerns me a lot is foreign policy - which again - nobody seems to care much about right now despite the fact that it's one of the few areas where a President can take multilateral, executive action.

Biden's foreign policy has been abysmal throughout his career (on par with Hillary Clinton and in some instances even worse) - and he'll be a blank check for the Pentagon to manipulate as it sees fit.

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65. "I can't blame people for setting the bar low at a time like this"
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66. "you absolutely can"
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How do you think we got here?

The current issues are not low bars to clear

It takes bold measures...which you can see being implemented...by an administration that is being forced to do so

Status quo won’t help.

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67. "I agree but apparently most americans do not"
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69. "Not the exciting pick, but Klobuchar makes the most sense"
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It's an Electoral College thing...

Klobuchar is a proven popular figure in those Midwestern states that Hillary lost to Trump in 2016.

Warren, Abrams, Harris or Booker don't help deliver any states that Joe wouldn't have won anyway.

  

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70. "I will veto M4A (c) Status Quo Joe"
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Joe Biden, man of the times

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73. "I have no empathy for the younger generation (c) Status Quo Joe"
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=rBxyB_GXydw

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75. "Ugh. I've been avoiding this post lol. Feels like ppl are sleepwalking"
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on this.

I'm not even gonna vent about names right now, I'm gonna vent about CRITERIA.


Like, first of all, just to remind everybody what Dems are up against:


*Repubs are more unified now than they were in '16

*45 is a stronger opponent now than he was in '16 (i.e. has his party's full backing this time)

*As of 02/20, 45 had raised ~$253M and had ~109M on hand (http://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00023864); Biden had raised ~$76M and had ~$8M on hand (http://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/candidate?id=N00001669). MSM reported Biden got a post-SC + post-ST windfall, but I doubt it's anywhere near $100M

*45 is building out a nationwide network of *2 MILLION* volunteers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PGBPBrFxAo ; https://youtu.be/_fE57e7afHk?t=219); Biden has, to date, had a notoriously weak ground game (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/politics/joe-biden-california-super-tuesday.html)


Is this really a time for: "oh wouldn't it be delightful if Biden ran with a woman?" "yes darling, a black one would be divine"

..? I mean, come on yall. Condoleeza Rice??? This identity politics stuff is gonna lead everybody off a cliff.


ANYBODY NOT BRINGING ORGANIZED INFRASTRUCTURE - i.e SUPPORTERS. VOLUNTEERS. DONORS - ALONG WITH MAJOR CAMPAIGN MUSCLE AND EXECUTIVE/GOVERNING EXPERIENCE IS WASTING SPACE. PERIOD.



I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody who DIDNT RESONATE OR WIN ANYWHERE running for pres in the current climate (sorry Beto! Castro! Deval! And anyone who polled below them! https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html) .

I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody whose PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IMPLODED/DEMONSTRATED WEAK EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP (sorry Kamala! https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harriss-campaign-is-facing-an-internal-revolt-2019-11, https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/15/kamala-harris-campaign-2020-071105, https://nypost.com/2019/11/29/kamala-harris-2020-campaign-is-falling-apart-from-the-inside-report/)

I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody who STRUGGLED TO FUNDRAISE/BEGGED FOR MONEY ON LIVE TV AND STILL FAILED to meet funding/individual donor targets (sorry Booker! https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/lacking-money-votes-cory-booker-fails-break-through-crowded-democratic-n1114826)

I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody who HOLDS A RECENTLY FLIPPED OR OTHERWISE VULNERABLE SEAT in the House or Senate (sorry Delmings! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida%27s_10th_congressional_district)

I DONT WANT TO SEE somebody who HOLDS A RECENTLY FLIPPED OR OTHERWISE VULNERABLE GOVERNORSHIP in a swing or traditionally red state (sorry Gretchen! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Michigan)

I DONT WANT TO SEE some RANDO FROM POLITICS PAST that'll leave half the electorate scratching their heads asking wtf is that (Sorry Condi! Susan!)

I DONT WANT TO SEE some RANDO FROM POLITICS PRESENT that'll have leave the electorate scratching their heads asking wtf is that (Sorry Sherrod!)



Imho Biden needs a fucking *GLADIATOR* vp. He's an aging, fading, general in need of a lieutenant w/ starpower and (happy) troops on the ground. I'm talking somebody with AOC level (or close) exposure, base enthusiasm, and fundraising capacity. Somebody with a STRONG *PROVEN* APPEAL to folks in Obama-Trump areas because these are the constituents Dems recently lost and NEED TO COURT BACK FOR AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE MAJORITY:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#/media/File:United_States_presidential_election_results_by_county,_2016.svg

Somebody YOUNG enough, HEALTHY enough, ENERGETIC enough, and UNRESTRAINED (eg. by current responsibilities in Congress, as Governor, etc) enough to CAMPAIGN FEROCIOUSLY - like several counties and/or states in a day if need be - bc not only is 45 an exhaustive campaigner and outcampaigned HRC in '16 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trumps-campaigns-numbers/story), but Biden's campaigning has slowed considerably due to low funds/poor organization and concerns about covid19 (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/487115-biden-to-hold-virtual-campaign-events-amid-coronavirus-outbreak)... issues that could persist through the GE. Somebody GOOD AT RETAIL POLITICS to detract from Biden's frequent gaffes on the trail (and perhaps in office). Somebody EXCELLENT AND AT EASE WITH MEDIA whether on-the-spot, long-form, or debate format since this is an area Biden has been weak (https://www.thedailybeast.com/bidens-media-strategy-duck-the-press-unless-youre-under-duress) and will likely weaken further during his administration (I sincerely hope they'd roll with an elder statesman comms strategy too... like we only hear from Biden for major addresses and poignant remarks Queen Elizabeth style, while the media pro VP doubles as a chief surrogate for more regular media availabilities, press conferences, etc).

Additionally, something I didn't even consider until I watched Biden interact recently with a former frontrunner: at his age I believe he needs somebody with very well-developed senses of empathy, duty, and above average EQ. If America's set on electing its most geriatric president in history, then imho it should prepare for some of the less glamorous things that begin to ramp up at that age. Fatigue. Memory and attention lapses. Restrictive joint pains and aches. Mood swings. Loss of balance/increased fall risk. Hearing degradation. Maybe even incontinence. I'm not suggesting a VP is the pres' nurse/doctor by any means, but there may/will be instances where geriatric issues compromise high-level meetings, joint appearances, speaking engagements etc at the last minute. I believe it's critical the VP have the temperament, agility, patience, compassion, and - again - ABOVE AVERAGE EQ to swiftly mitigate embarassments and cover for the pres on a dime, perhaps with little preparation/notice, to project continuity of leadership not just to subordinates but the american people and the world stage. I say all this as someone who's been a caregiver for folks I love in Biden's age range, and having spent more time than I'd like in nursing homes around people that age as well. It's a lot of extra mental, emotional, and sometimes even physical labor just to love/care for somebody in that age corridor talk more of working alongside them in one of the most stressful high-stakes jobs on the planet. I just don't think anybody short-tempered, volatile/easily flustered, or entitled/gloryhound-ish is a good match for a geriatric president and the nuances involved (SORRY AMY! https://www.scribd.com/document/399214761/AFSCME-Letter-on-Amy-Klobuchar-2006, https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02/senator-klobuchar-temper-rumors).

Bottom line: I think being Biden's VP would be ATYPICAL. More hands-on than usual. More travel than usual. More visibility than usual. And he/she may even have to lead the nation through poignant bereavement if Biden succumbs to old age/poor health during his term(s). I really, really, *really* don't think the appropriate running mate is somebody who just checks a box. Like I said in another post, warm fuzzies might've helped Biden hold black voters in the south... but is representation really enough to deal with all his baggage PLUS make gains in Trump country?? Remember we're talking Middle America. Rust Belt. The bulk of Obama-Trump counties are in states like IA, WI, IN, etc (https://ballotpedia.org/Pivot_Counties_by_state). That's your auto workers. Your rural folks - farmers, teachers, small business owners, housewives. Your VETERANS (making up ~10% of the adult populations in swing states like FL + NC, that Dems won in '08 but have lost since https://www.census.gov/content/census/en/library/visualizations/2018/comm/percentage-veterans/jcr:content/map.detailitem.950.high.jpg/1539725329299.jpg )
Recall that 45 won in '16 with like 2% less of the total vote than HRC but like over 15% more white voters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Voter_demographics), who'll comprise 66% of the 2020 electorate (https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/01/PSDT_2020electorate-00.png). Also recall that Biden performed POORLY with this demographic in early states compared to his competitors(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Contest_schedule_and_results), even with comparable exposure (https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidate_campaign_travel,_2020). Who performed WELL with this type of voter? Spoke to their issues? Could help Biden win people back to the Dem coalition, I repeat, WHERE ITS ACTUALLY NEEDED (https://www.270towin.com/maps/2016-election-state-winners)? Furthermore, has anyone actually considered the optics of the first ever female/black female VP having to shoulder the inevitable behind-the-scenes labor of supporting a geriatric pres?? Bc I have and I'm so good on that shit. I actually think it's extremely unfair to saddle the first female and/or woman of color VP with a loaded clean-up role like that. It'd basically elevate all the un(der)compensated labor extraction women (and WOC in particular) get burdened with in the workforce already (https://www.fastcompany.com/3058388/why-the-gender-leadership-gap-is-so-much-worse-for-women-of-color). I'd prefer a woman/WOC on the ticket either earn her nomination outright by voter mandate or be selected to serve as vice (for a more normal pres) in the way the role was designed.


Anyway, whatever. I can think of 1 person that meets 100% of what I'm talking about and another who meets maybe 75%; both are to the left of Biden in some areas (eg.Tuition-free public college), and both are white. 1 is a woman. *shrug* Maybe there's others I'd like that could also meet these quotas everyone seems to want to talk about but, tbh, I just feel like if the person who can bring the infrastructure/ support Biden needs* to succeed happens to be white or male so be it. Based on how the Dem primary went, voters don't seem to care. If there was an overwhelming appetite for a woman and/or non-white representation on the Dem 2020 ticket I believe the *unprecedented* selection of women and non-white primary candidates would have recieved a lot more support than they did financially, in the polls, and at the ballot box. Dems ran a mixed-race ticket in '08 and '12 and a mixed-gender ticket in '16; a quota pick would be nice but I don't think it's necessary. Voters seem to be prioritizing results (i.e. Beat 45) over representation.


*and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn the malarkey camp is focusing on typical Dem box-checking instead of actual on-the-ground infrastructure/support to increase competitiveness bc... its the Dems *shrug*

  

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76. "hosting jimmy kimmel really boosts your vp chances eh?"
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I gotta sit down with this and go through these links when I have time - but this had to break a record for most sourced response of the year lol.

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78. "lol! the vp talk strikes a nerve"
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80. "Paul Ryan was correct (c) Status Quo Joe"
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https://youtu.be/0j2k7tDK1gM

Still not seeing any coverage about his brother

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82. "Chopped up"
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Joe is bad enough on his own, no need to use Trump tactics.

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85. "them niggas might as well be trump supporters at this point."
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same exact behavior.

i see why aoc is distancing herself from this clusterfuck.

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AOC made the right move.

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94. "you should be embarrassed sharing something that obviously chopped"
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95. "FACT CHECK: JOE BIDEN HAS ADVOCATED CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY FOR 40 YEARS"
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LOL, if you think 4 extra minutes of status quo joe is helpful...he says adjustments and fixes...apparently I'm unfamiliar with your definition of chopped...he said it...repeatedly.

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/


2018, former Vice President Joe Biden called for cuts to Social Security in the name of saving the program and balancing the federal budget. Last week, Sen. Bernie Sanders highlighted Biden’s record on Social Security in prosecuting the case that Biden isn’t the most electable candidate. The issue could be raised again in Tuesday night’s debate.

After a Sanders campaign newsletter continued the attack on Biden’s Social Security record, the Biden campaign complained to fact-checkers at Politifact that his comments were being taken out of context. Placed in context, however, Biden’s record on Social Security is far worse than one offhand remark. Indeed, Biden has been advocating for cuts to Social Security for roughly 40 years.

And after a Republican wave swept Congress in 1994, Biden’s support for cutting Social Security, and his general advocacy for budget austerity, made him a leading combatant in the centrist-wing battle against the party’s retreating liberals in the 1980s and ’90s.

“When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well,” he told the Senate in 1995. “I meant Medicare and Medicaid. I meant veterans’ benefits. I meant every single solitary thing in the government. And I not only tried it once, I tried it twice, I tried it a third time, and I tried it a fourth time.” (A freeze would have reduced the amount that would be paid out, cutting the program’s benefit.)

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“The truth is the last election did one thing,” Biden continued. “I do not know whether it really made you guys a majority party for long. I do not know. We will find out. I know one thing it did. What it did was it made sure that there was nobody left on the left in my party who, in fact, said we do not care about moving the budget toward balance.”

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It's important to point out for people like @NateSilver538, who claim this stuff is too old to be relevant given Biden's 8 years as VP, that the Obama administration offered up Social Security cuts as part of a "grand bargain" with an increasingly radical, right-wing GOP.

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"When I argued that we should freeze federal spending, I meant Social Security as well; I meant Medicare and Medicaid; I meant veterans' benefits; I meant every single, solitary thing in the government." — Joe Biden defending the proposed balanced budget amendment, January 1995

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What Biden was expressing was a common sentiment among the centrist faction of the party in the 1980s and ’90s — the belief that old tax-and-spend liberals were out, and that a type of “New Democrat” was needed, one who understood the necessity of fiscal restraint. Cutting spending was the only way, he argued, to salvage what was left of the Great Society and New Deal. The mentality of Biden-style Democrats — that the best the party could do was play defense — was dominant for a generation; it’s now being fundamentally challenged not just in the presidential campaign but in congressional primaries across the country.

The mentality of Biden-style Democrats — that the best the party could do was play defense — was dominant for a generation, but is now being fundamentally challenged.

Biden himself, at least on his campaign website, now supports making Social Security more generous, not less. But that’s at odds with decades of his own advocacy, a record that could become a major political liability among voters concerned Biden will finally get his wish to trim back Social Security checks. Because about half of black seniors on Social Security rely on it as their primary means of support, any trimming of the program hits those beneficiaries particularly hard.

Over the years, Biden, in speeches and interviews, has often taken pains to let listeners know that he’s taking an unpopular stance, being explicit about the risk he knows he’s taking.

“One of the things my political advisers say to me, is, whoa, don’t touch that third rail,” Biden told Tim Russert on “Meet the Press,” while running for president in 2007.

With this year’s presidential contest being fought over the terrain of electability, Biden’s 35-plus-year effort to cut Social Security, arguably the most popular government program in existence, is potentially a major liability among older voters — and hypocrisy has never held Trump back from making an effective political attack. Biden’s historical position also stands in stark contrast to Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, both of whom support increasing benefits and have offered ways to make the program solvent indefinitely.

“As Bernie Sanders himself said in 2015 — after all of these quotes — ‘Joe Biden is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service and to the wellbeing of working families and the middle class,’” said Andrew Bates, a spokesperson for Biden.

BIDEN’S FIXATION on cutting Social Security dates back to the Reagan era. One of Ronald Reagan’s first major moves as president was to implement a mammoth tax cut, tilted toward the wealthy, and to increase defense spending. Biden, a Delaware senator at the time, supported both moves. The heightened spending and reduced revenue focused public attention on the debt and deficit, giving fuel to a push for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution.

In the midst of that debate, Biden teamed up with Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to call for a freeze on federal spending, and insisted on including Social Security in that freeze, even as the Reagan administration fought to protect the program from cuts. It was part of the Democratic approach at the time not just to match Republicans, but to get to their right at times as well, as Biden also did on criminal justice policy.

Biden teamed up with Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley to call for a freeze on federal spending, and insisted on including Social Security in that freeze.

“So, when those of my friends in the Democratic and Republican Party say to me, ‘How do you expect me to vote for your proposal? Does it not freeze Social Security COLAs for one year? Are we not saying there will be no cost-of-living increases for one year?’ The answer to that is ‘Yes, that is what I am saying,’” Biden said in a Senate floor speech in April 1984, referring to the adjustment that millions of seniors look for every year.

Biden was facing reelection to the Senate in 1984, which was shaping up to be a heavily Republican cycle, and continued returning to the issue of Social Security.

His plan with Grassley was backed, the New York Times reported in May 1984, by a bevy of business trade groups, “including the Chamber of Commerce of the United States, the National Federation of Independent Businesses, Business Executives for National Security and the National Association of Manufacturers.”

The Biden-Grassley plan was ultimately rejected, but Biden never wavered on it, arguing in 1988 that had he been able to cut Social Security, he’d have been able to save other social programs and force Republicans to cut defense spending.

“I introduced an amendment, notwithstanding my quote liberal credentials, of freezing the federal budget, absolute freeze,” Biden boasted. “I did it for a simple reason: I sat on the Budget Committee for 11 years. And I’d find the same thing occur every time. We’d start off with grandiose ideas of how we’re going to cut the budget. We would never touch entitlements, we would never touch the defense budget, and we couldn’t touch the interest on the debt. Which meant that out of a trillion-dollar budget, that left us only $156 billion And what we would do each year is we would go out and cut out education, food stamps, Head Start, payments, on down the line, everything that I cared about got cut, because at the very end, we’d say, ‘Well, we’ve gotta make some cuts.’ And that would be the path of least resistance.”

That political approach — that by ceding to Republicans, they will respond by compromising in return — has been thoroughly discredited by the last 40 years of events, though it remains the animating argument of Biden’s campaign.

In November 1995, he again reminded the public of his deficit hawkery. “I am a Democrat that voted for the constitutional amendment to balance the budget. I have introduced on four occasions — four occasions — entire plans to balance a budget,” he said on the Senate floor. “I tried with Senator Grassley back in the 1980s to freeze all government spending, including Social Security, including everything.”

“When I introduced my budget freeze proposal years ago, the liberals of my party said, ‘It’s an awful thing you are doing, Joe. All the programs we care about, you are freezing them — money for the blind, the disabled, education and so on,’” Biden continued. “My argument then is one I make now, which is the strongest, most compelling reason to be for this amendment — or an amendment — that if we do not do that, all the things I care most about are going to be gone — gone.”

THE FIRST FEW months of 1995 were taken up with debate over another GOP-led balanced budget amendment, with Biden arguing forcefully to exclude Social Security from it.

“After the year 2014, we will be in deficit in the Social Security system,” he warned. “It seems pretty clear to me this is about two things: One, they need the Social Security dollars to make the deficit look like it is less than it is, and then the next step is they are going to need to try to deal with changing it to increase the amount of money they get in the trust funds to make the deficit look even less, which means that Social Security is going to get hit.”

Biden pushed for an amendment to carve Social Security out of the balanced budget amendment. Clear as it may have been, the amendment to protect Social Security failed. Biden voted for the balanced budget amendment anyway, even after his multiple warnings that it would undercut Social Security.

It was, in fact, the argument over Social Security that torpedoed the balanced budget amendment by a single vote on the Senate floor, after it had already passed the House. “After days of persuasion, the Republicans supporting the amendment were unable to attract the one last vote they needed for a two-thirds majority, resulting in a victory for Democrats, who raised doubts in the final hours about whether the Social Security trust fund would be safe if the measure became law,” the New York Times reported in March 1995. Biden’s inability to bring along one additional Democratic colleague had saved the program, and saved the Constitution from being amended with a draconian fiscal constraint mechanism.

Ironically, the budget would reach balance anyway by the end of the decade, as federal revenue climbed — the result of an economy in hyperdrive thanks to a tech bubble. President George W. Bush turned that surplus into a mammoth tax cut for the wealthy, and within just a few years, Biden was again calling for cuts to Social Security to deal with the deficit.

“The American people know we have to fix Social Security,” Biden said in 2007. “They know we’re going to have to make some tough decisions.”

In his 2007 interview with Russert as a presidential candidate, the “Meet the Press” host asked, “Senator, we have a deficit. We have Social Security and Medicare looming. The number of people on Social Security and Medicare is now 40 million people. It’s going to be 80 million in 15 years. Would you consider looking at those programs, age of eligibility…”

“Absolutely,” Biden said.

“ … cost of living, put it all on the table.”

“The answer is absolutely,” Biden said, reminding Russert that earlier in his career, he had been part of the small number of senators who had come up with the deal that raised the retirement age, and promised to protect each other from voters outraged at the cuts:

I was one of five people — I was the junior guy in the meeting with Bob Dole and George Mitchell when we put Social Security on the right path for 60 years. I’ll never forget what Bob Dole said. After we reached an agreement about gradually raising the retirement age, etc., he said, ‘Look, here’s the deal, we all put our foot in the boat one at a time.’ And he kicked — he stepped like he was stepping into a boat. ‘And we all make the following deal. If any one of the challengers running against the incumbent Democrat or Republicans attack us on this point, we’ll all stay together.’ That’s the kind of leadership that is needed. Social Security’s not the hard one to solve. Medicare, that is the gorilla in the room, and you’ve got to put all of it on the table.

At Iowa’s Jefferson-Jackson dinner in November 2007, weeks from the Iowa caucus, Biden again returned to Social Security. “The American people know we have to fix Social Security,” he said. “They know we can’t grow our way to a solution. They know we’re going to have to make some tough decisions. They’re ready to make those decisions. They’re ready to step up. We have to be ready to straightforwardly tell them what we’re about to do.”

As vice president, Biden was involved in multiple administration attempts to cut Social Security as part of a “grand bargain” with Republicans, all of them blocked by tea party Republicans, who couldn’t agree to any tax increases. In 2014, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said at a conservative event that Biden had privately told him he was supporting of raising the retirement age and means-testing Social Security benefits. “I asked the vice president, don’t we have to raise the age? Wouldn’t means-testing and raising the age solve the problem?” Paul recounted, with Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee on stage, adding that Biden said, “Yes in private, but will not say it in public.” Paul hadn’t been paying close enough attention.

A few years later, at a Brookings Institution event in April 2018, Biden addressed Social Security again. “Paul Ryan was correct when he did the tax code. What’s the first thing he decided we had to go after? Social Security and Medicare. Now, we need to do something about Social Security and Medicare,” Biden said, then added in a whisper: “That’s the only way you can find room to pay for it.”

Last week, the Biden campaign told Politifact that Biden was mocking Ryan and being sarcastic. Immediately after his whisper, he went into the kinds of adjustments to Social Security he thought should be made, the same type that Paul said he told him supported privately.

“Now, I don’t know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I don’t know a lot of them,” Biden said, alluding to the need to means-test Social Security. “So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unproductive loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.”

When the program is popular, “adjustment” is a Washington euphemism for cuts. But you can count on Trump to use the more common term.

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96. "why are you yelling"
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156. "^^^ offended by cut and paste "
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LOL, I ain’t retyping alladat in lower case

FOH

...and status quo joe repeatedly lied about it last night...

Care to discuss...?

Nobody’s touching the fbi raid on brother Biden...?

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84. "Average Joe fumbling through a virtual town-hall, barely able to speak"
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https://twitter.com/QueenInYeIIow/status/1238634256882073600?s=20

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86. "if only retweets were votes lol."
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give it up fam.

its over.

finito.

maybe yall shoulda spent the last few years working on expanding the 'movement' outside of twitter.

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87. "This the Dem nom you've been hyping for months fam. "
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and this race been called for Biden (or at least not for Sanders) - so this ain't about that.

This is about those who worked overtime to trash Sanders - month after month - while failing to spend a single minute vetting Biden being responsible for giving us a nominee who simply isn't fit for the job.

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89. "your king is 0-2 in primaries fam."
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got his entire hopes destroyed on only the 2nd multi-state primary day barely into march.

maybe 3rd times the charm? (hey it worked for biden lol).

yall should spend some time figuring out why yall are so out of touch with the majority of the electorate so you can expand the base past 30-something percent of the party.

time to venture outside of your bubble.

cuz apparently online trolling isnt an effective coalition builder lol. yet yall still persist.

yall even got aoc disgusted with you. maybe take the hint?

im sincerely trying to help yall cuz this implosion is painful to watch.

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90. "lol @ 'your king' -- Sanders is a flawed candidate - like them all"
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And even though he wasn't my top choice - he's far superior to Biden - who you've been giving an inexplicable pass to because of your tireless caping for the party orthodoxy.

It's real rich to hear you speak of "Republican talking points" when you've been documented all over the boards smearing Sanders with Breitbart talking points.

The whole lazy "y'all Bernie bros" mythology you've been pumping lacks actual merit:

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/09/there-is-hard-data-that-shows-bernie-bros-are-a-myth/

But this isn't the first time you've latched onto something that you bought wholesale from the CNN spin-room.

And it's hilarious that you think AOC is somehow going to fall in line with your status-quo way of thinking - when she literally came out yesterday talking about voter suppression in the Michigan primary and calling into question the egregious lack of fairness in this primary - which again - you ignore because of your wild contentment with a Biden nomination.

Let's revisit this in November fam. I feel sorry for you partying once again over a weak Dem nominee who is going to get bodied in the General.

I'm here for you though. We're family.


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91. "*hands you a donut and a cup of water*"
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97. "the person who did the study specifically says it doesn't prove anything"
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you didn't read past the headline you dumb motherfucker

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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98. "That’s not the point of the article. But be big sad if you’d like "
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“The evidence that Sanders supporters are uniquely cruel online, compared to any other candidates' supporters, is scant; much of the discourse around Bernie Bros seems to rely on skewed anecdotes that don't stand up to scrutiny.”

Please do keep hurling insults like the sad child you are though.


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264. "the study did not provide any data supporting or disproving that"
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congratulations on being a loser

(note: according to the methods used in that study, that's a positive statement by a bernie sanders supporter.)

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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92. "hmm"
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93. "biden endorses warrens bankruptcy bill."
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https://twitter.com/MollyNagle3/status/1238881953534918662
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NEW: @JoeBiden's campaign confirms that he has reviewed @ewarren’s bankruptcy plan closely, and is endorsing her proposal, as he said in his IL town hall.

That's a significant shift, as the proposal would largely undo the 2005 bankruptcy bill the two clashed over in Congress.
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progressive proposals that realistically work.

warren will go down as one of the most influential policy generators of this generation.

this is also how you form alliances among former adversaries. compromise/consensus. aka good politics and party building.

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99. "biden endorses plan for tuition-free public colleges & universities "
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tuition-free for students with families making less than $125k a year

https://twitter.com/MollyNagle3/status/1239278667282382853
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he credited bernie for the plan. its technically closer to p bootys plan who had a $100k income cap (as opposed to bidens $125k). but bernies plan was obviously the root of both.

the income cap takes away the talking point about rich peoples kids going to college for free.


biden thread about using liz and bernards plans:
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1239280175826731010

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100. "Imagine the left wing called Pete Republican/Center-Right over this"
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when his plan was basically a tweaked version of a Bernie bill from 2017:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/806/text


That's when I knew there was like zero critical-thinking underpinning the hatred of everyone non-Bernie. Like, first of all, somebody can run on Bernie's actual proposals and that's still not acceptable. And second-of-all, how are you riding so hard for this man and you don't even recognize one of his old proposals when you see it??


This contradiction applies to the single-payer vs public option debate too. A lot of people don't realize that the subsidy structure in a few of the public option proposals (eg. maxed to cover up to 8.5% of income) borrows from the CHIPA bill ("Consumer Health Insurance Protection Act of 2018") Warren introduced last Congress:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2582/text

which Bernie was a co-sponsor of. Only a couple of years ago.

Bernie and Liz's fingerprints were all over the broader Dem platform even before Biden started making these concessions. I really hate how much of the incivility was due to policy differences that Bernie and Warren were championing like literally a hearbeat ago. Just blind hateful frothing at the mouth for no reason

edit: this is why I have very little sympathy for left complaints about Biden emerging as the likely nominee. Declaring war on the center-left made little political sense if one cared about the issues. I mean it's great Biden's conceding to the left in some areas, but that wasn't guaranteed.


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106. "everybody who doesnt pray to bernie is a republican to them."
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101. "Debate heating up"
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shut up already, damn

  

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102. "Bernie gotta throw some big shots. He's down on the cards"
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and fighting too safe - yet again. For all the talk about the fictional bernie bro meanies -- Sanders has been nothing but cordial to his opponents - probably too cordial.

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104. "but youre calling for him to be meaner."
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>For all the talk about the fictional bernie bro meanies

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107. "no, I'm calling for him to be more aggressive - which he's doing now"
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Biden is being walked down on the fact that he's been wrong on a lot of the major issues being discussed (DOMA, War, Social Security, Health Care as a Human Right, Immigration, Education, Trade policy etc..) - and has only just recently come around to correct (some) of his positions - adopting Sanders/Warren policies.

There are two people on that stage: one has been a leader his whole life and has consistently displayed political courage; the other is a follower and a political opportunist.
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110. "bernie is a leader with no signature legislation in 30 yrs of congress?"
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119. "Seems Biden thinks so; now that he's following Sanders on policy"
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121. "he understands he needs a pitch to bernie voters to unify the party."
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its no coincidence he did the same with warren.

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126. "Exactly - Biden is a blank-check; can be manipulated to do whatever"
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127. "this is pretty bad even for you."
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128. "Isn't that kinda the point ?"
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I thought politicians were *supposed* to adjust their positions based on the will of the voters ?

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129. "biden is doing *exactly* what vex has said he needs to do."
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make concessions to the bernie wing to bring them in the fold for the general.

its the same thing hillary had to do.

its the same thing barack had to do.

but vex switches stances and acts brand new depending on what argument he is trying to win.

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133. "right? his meltdown is getting sad at this point"
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He's been shouting that Biden needs to get Bernie voters on board.

Biden proceeds to adopt two very progressive plans (probably more to come I would guess/hope)

and he STILL complains.


No joke Reeq, I think Vex and some other bros would prefer Trump to beat Biden so they can say "told you so"

He keeps moving the goalposts in order to shit on Biden no matter what. Not only is this a bad look that is hurting his already damaged credibility, its getting to the point where I think they would aim to damage him in the general.

I'm a card carrying Joe Biden hater and doubter. But if he is going to be the nominee, AND he is going to adopt progressive policies, commit to court picks, etc?


It really is about Bernie to these people- maybe even more than Bernie himself.

I mean, Vex can't even fix his fingers to type an honest critique of dude other than "he's flawed" and "not aggressive enough"

Shit is weird, man.


They are so caught up in winning an argument they've forgotten the goals.

  

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132. "lol that's who you think has been driving Biden's bad policies?"
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The voters?

>I thought politicians were *supposed* to adjust their
>positions based on the will of the voters ?

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144. "lol damn you are an embarrassment."
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103. "A woman, according to the debate tonight "
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105. "biden already won the night with the vp and supreme court pledges."
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thats what is generating the most headlines.

it looked especially strong when contrasted with bernie hedging.

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108. "lol nice to see your bar is as low as David Frum's"
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111. "you follow david frum?"
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118. "you must - you just essentially retweeted him."
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122. "a ton of journalists mirrored the same sentiment."
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you did see me mention ‘headlines’ right?

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123. "damn fam you sure love you some CNN & Joey Biden"
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125. "you didnt accuse me of being paid by them. youre making progress."
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131. "if you're not you're slipping."
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It's been a gravy-train money-grab for decades. Ain't no way I'd be caught out here caping for Biden/Clinton without some incentive.
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109. "bernie is losing it over this cuba/china/etc segment."
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112. "he shouldn’t have agreed to this debate.."
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he’s clearly out of gas.

  

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114. "i feel bad for him."
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hes attacking biden for shit he did years ago. shit the average voter doesnt even care about.

and bernie is stumbling on shit relating to his recent developments. bernie is also clearly unprepared to address some of those things even though theyve been major topics for a while now.

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113. "damn bernie completely deflected on his lack of black support."
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115. "How hard is it to articulate "
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“We shouldn’t be behind anybody in providing for our citizens, especially dictatorships”

All this hemming and hawing

  

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117. "im shocked he wasnt ready for that."
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116. "is bernie really tryna say he would bring unprecedented turnout"
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in the general?

has he been watching his election?

i mean...he just admitted that the two groups he does best with usually have the lowest turnout.

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120. "only saw the last half hour "
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Biden looked in control. Bernie looked like Bernie

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124. "Welp. Commited to woman VP + adopted progressive platform changes"
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Please lord let these be signs it'll be Warren.


Hard pass on Amy and Kamala.


Maybe Kamala is this black female Supreme Court nominee he keeps alluding too tho. That would actually make a ton of sense. Would get some HBCU representation up in there with the Ivy League backgrounds too.

  

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130. "I'm guessing Amy due to location "
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Though Amy or Liz puts those Senate seats at risk. Kamala not so much

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154. "I'm coming around on Abrams. If they're gonna prioritize box-checking,"
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then Georgia actually is somewhat in play too and she wouldn't jeopardize a seat in Congress. Plus she's a competent executive, given her work with Fair Fight action etc. There's enough substance there that I like her as a choice even if folks are only bringing her up because she's a black woman.


I don't know if I'll ever come around on Amy as a good match for him tho.



  

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134. "Damn.. y’all love some Biden "
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shut up already, damn

  

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135. "This was supposed to be where he got exposed, right?"
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and Dems could see how bad they fucked up? Biden's senile, creepy, out of touch, has a trash voting record, can't remember what he just said, or tell the difference between his wife and his sister.

was all supposed to come to light now that he had more time to talk. Couple people here were pretty much saying he didn't want it with Bernie in a one on one.

Bern might as well drop out now. I think he probably will. At very least he seems to like Joe more than he liked Hillary.

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136. "His voting record was exposed. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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137. "Biden did well enough to win the nomination last night"
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No major gaffes and he seemed sharp enough. Blatantly lying about his history of flip flopping but that doesn't seem to matter to people anymore. The average voter doesn't seem to care about Bernie's principles and how he's consistently defended them throughout his career. Meanwhile, Biden's voting record is built on going against progressive issues (desegregation, abortion, gay marriage) until the tide changes and it's accepted by the mainstream and convenient for him to take a stand. A true politician's politician, similar to the democrat who lost in 2016.

As for the creepiness, well that will probably only come to light in the general election. The video's been mostly scrubbed from the internet and anyone who raises it will be painted a MAGA stan. Apparently it's okay to rub children's chests as long as the people who accuse you of it are Trump or Bernie fans.

Biden gave me some hope last night though. If he can stay this sharp and Trump continues to fuck up the Coronavirus crisis then hopefully he'll win the general election and implement some progressive policies. If not, we can all blame the Bernie Bros for wanting a candidate who fought for the disenfranchised his whole life. Sadly, this country simply isn't ready for a progressive candidate but hopefully Bernie motivated the younger generation enough that they'll one day elect one.

  

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138. "True... he did fine"
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and by fine I mean he didn’t shit his pants or forget where he was.. lol.

But it’s not like he defended his record well.

This exchange was hilarious.

Bernie: you have a SuperPAC when you said wouldn’t Jo
Joe: you have 9 SuperPAC’s Bernie
Bernie: no I don’t.. name them
Joe: I’ll name them.. you don’t want me to name them
Bernie: name them.. go ahead
Joe: bahhh

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145. "Yea that exchange was v bad hahah. Bern was like "go 'head bruh""
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>and by fine I mean he didn’t shit his pants or forget where
>he was.. lol.
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>But it’s not like he defended his record well.
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>This exchange was hilarious.
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>Bernie: you have a SuperPAC when you said wouldn’t Jo
>Joe: you have 9 SuperPAC’s Bernie
>Bernie: no I don’t.. name them
>Joe: I’ll name them.. you don’t want me to name them
>Bernie: name them.. go ahead
>Joe: bahhh
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152. "lol that's pretty funny"
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didn't see this part

>This exchange was hilarious.
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>Bernie: you have a SuperPAC when you said wouldn’t Jo
>Joe: you have 9 SuperPAC’s Bernie
>Bernie: no I don’t.. name them
>Joe: I’ll name them.. you don’t want me to name them
>Bernie: name them.. go ahead
>Joe: bahhh
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158. "It was like 2 old dudes arguing over women in their past"
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shut up already, damn

  

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160. "that was pretty funny"
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141. "bernie was largely rudderless because he has no real objective"
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or goal for continuing to stay in the race. so there was nothing to specifically gameplan and execute this debate. so he basically just resorted to tearing down biden (which has basically become the 'progressive' political mantra at this point...see vex complaining that bernie should be less cordial).

hes pretty much given up winning because hes down big and his prospects are getting worse each poll.

and hes an old dog with only a few old tricks. he cant really adapt to new stimuli and hasnt really broadened his knowledge/pitch much outside of his rigid ideological agenda.

this was highlighted in the coronavirus discussion. bernies answer to the crisis was basically medicare for all medicare for all medicare for all. bidens answer was more encompassing and indicative of someone who has actually served at the highest tier of an administration and knows how the levers of government actually work.

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149. "except I never said he should be "less cordial""
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I said he should be more aggressive - and he was a bit more aggressive last night. But the point remains: for all the crying about how "mean" Bernie and his supporters are - he's been nothing but respectful to his opponents - but that doesn't mean he shouldn't go on the offensive more. He should.


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153. "this"
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>this was highlighted in the coronavirus discussion. bernies
>answer to the crisis was basically medicare for all medicare
>for all medicare for all. bidens answer was more encompassing
>and indicative of someone who has actually served at the
>highest tier of an administration and knows how the levers of
>government actually work.

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162. "RE: how the levers of government actually work."
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They don’t, that’s the point...pretty much of his entire campaign

If that’s not readily apparent to all amid this pandemic..,IDK what to tell you

Do you think there’s a 2 month delay in response...if everyone had healthcare?

Testing
Response
Resources

I would assume...we would be better prepared if everyone was provided with healthcare

40 repugs voted against the house bill for Coronavirus relief

We wouldn’t even have to go through the political charade

But that’s not even the right question

Where’s the money coming from?
$8B
$50B
+$1T

We went from...can’t afford it...to...we should cut checks like W.

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169. "Public Health Experts: Single-Payer Systems Coping With Coronavirus More..."
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Public Health Experts: Single-Payer Systems Coping With Coronavirus More Effectively Than For-Profit Model

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/16/public-health-experts-single-payer-systems-coping-coronavirus-more-effectively

"Having a healthcare system that's a public strategic asset rather than a business run for profit allows for a degree of coordination and optimal use of resources."
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A medical staff member talks with a man with suspected symptoms of the COVID-19 coronavirus, at a testing facility in Seoul on March 4, 2020. (Photo: Jung Yeon-Je/AFP via Getty Images)
As the coronavirus pandemic places extraordinary strain on national healthcare systems around the world, public health experts are making the case that countries with universal single-payer systems have thus far responded more efficiently and effectively to the outbreak than nations like the United States, whose fragmented for-profit apparatus has struggled to cope with the growing crisis.

"There is no need for people to worry about the tests or vaccine or cost of care if people become ill."
—Helen Buckingham, Nuffield Trust
"It is too soon to see definite outcomes among competing healthcare systems. But even in this early phase, public health experts say the single-payer, state-run systems are proving themselves relatively robust," the Washington Post reported Sunday. "Unlike the United States, where a top health official told Congress the rollout of testing was 'failing' and where Congress is only now moving through a bill that includes free testing, the single-payer countries have been especially nimble at making free, or low-cost, virus screening widely available for patients with coughs and fevers."

While the Trump administration only recently took steps to massively expand COVID-19 testing—sparking concerns that the outbreak in the U.S. is far more severe than official numbers suggest—countries with forms of single-payer healthcare like South Korea and Denmark have for weeks been offering "drive-through" testing and other innovative mechanisms, allowing them to quickly test hundreds of thousands of their citizens and respond accordingly.

"Unhampered government intervention into the healthcare sector is an advantage when the virus is spreading fast across the country," said Choi Jae-wook, a professor of preventive medicine at Korea University in Seoul.


Jorgen Kurtzhals, the head of the University of Copenhagen medical school, told the Post that the strength of Denmark's single-payer system is that it has "a lot of really highly educated and well-trained staff, and given some quite un-detailed instructions, they can actually develop plans for an extremely rapid response."

"We don't have to worry too much about whether this response or that response demands specific payments here and there," said Kurtzhals said. "We are aware that there will be huge expenditure within the system. But we're not too concerned about it because we have a direct line of communication from the national government to the regional government to the hospital directors."

None of which is to say that countries with forms of single-payer healthcare or nationalized systems are flawlessly handling the COVID-19 pandemic, which has infected at least 173,000 people and killed more than 6,000 worldwide.

"We don't have to worry too much about whether this response or that response demands specific payments here and there."
—Jorgen Kurtzhals, University of Copenhagen
Britain's National Health Service (NHS), following years of austerity imposed by Conservative governments, is facing staff and supply shortages as hospitals are being overwhelmed with patients. Canada, like the U.K., is struggling with a shortage of ventilators.

But Helen Buckingham, director of strategy and operations at the London-based Nuffield Trust think tank, told the Post that the NHS is in a relatively good position to cope with COVID-19 because it has "a very clear emergency planning structure."

Additionally, Buckingham noted, "there is no need for people to worry about the tests or vaccine or cost of care if people become ill."

David Fisman, an epidemiologist at the University of Toronto, said that in a "time of crisis" like the coronavirus pandemic, "having a healthcare system that's a public strategic asset rather than a business run for profit allows for a degree of coordination and optimal use of resources."

During the Democratic presidential primary debate Sunday night in Washington, D.C., former Vice President Joe Biden cited Italy's struggles to contain COVID-19 as evidence that the Medicare for All system advocated by rival candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) would not be effective in a pandemic. Italy has been the hardest-hit country outside China with nearly 25,000 cases of the novel coronavirus.

"With all due respect for Medicare for All, you have a single-payer system in Italy," said Biden. "It doesn't work there."

Critics were quick to take issue with Biden's talking point. " isn't the reason Italy is having problems," tweeted HuffPost healthcare reporter Jonathan Cohn. "Italy's problem is health system capacity. Independent of health system design."


Dr. David Himmelstein, co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program and distinguished professor of public health at the City University of New York at Hunter College, said in a statement Sunday night that the "fragmented system" in the United States "leaves public health separate and disconnected from medical care, and provides no mechanism to appropriately balance funding priorities."

"As a result, public health accounts for less than 3 percent of overall health expenditures, a percentage that has been falling for decades, and is about half the proportion in Canada or the U.K.," said Himmselstein. "One result is that state and local health departments that are the front lines in dealing with epidemics have lost 50,000 position since 2008 due to budget cuts."

On the debate stage Sunday evening, Sanders made the case for transitioning the U.S. to a single-payer program, arguing that the coronavirus "exposes the incredible weakness and dysfunctionality of our current healthcare system."

"How in God's name does it happen," said Sanders, "that we end up with 87 million people who are uninsured or underinsured and there are people who are watching this program tonight who are saying, 'I'm not feeling well. Should I go to the doctor? But I can't afford to go to the doctor. What happens if I am sick?'"

"So the word has got to go out, and I certainly would do this as president: You don't worry," Sanders added. "People of America, do not worry about the cost of prescription drugs. Do not worry about the cost of the healthcare that you're going to get, because we are a nation—a civilized democratic society. Everybody, rich and poor, middle class, will get the care they need. The drug companies will not rip us off."

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161. "i wasnt really sure what bernie was trying to accomplish last night"
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cnn was saying that he was giving biden a chance to appeal to his voters and that biden didnt take it. didnt really seem like thats what happened.

i definitely bernie was overplaying his hand on medicare for all. if he was better at this the argument would make itself. no doubt if we had a system where people didnt need to worry about the costs more people would have been tested and the curve would have been flattened. now were waiting on mitch to pass the house bill that will allow this for the coronavirus.

italy shows that both systems can suck at some aspects so focusing on that wasnt the best move.

  

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140. "you really be flustered when people dont stan for bernie."
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i dont know if this is a recent turn for you but i dont remember you being like this in the past.

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146. "Nah.. but I’m not gonna nut hug Joe until the general"
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Like I said before.. I predicted early on Joe would be the nominee and the best chance to beat Trump.

But that doesn’t mean I like him or will cheer for him in the primary.

He still ain’t shit.



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139. "So...BHO didn’t actually do anything...it was ALL Biden "
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Dude has taken credit for ERRYTHING

He’s fixed every problem...yet, those problems persist

and now he’s adopting progressive policies that we were told couldn’t be done and/or paid for

Nah man, I ain’t buying it (c)

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142. "How do Joe and Kamala get past "that little girl was me"?"
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1. I agree KH is the best choice. If she doesn't take it, make her AG. That said

2. How do you think they overcome their beef over the bussing bomb she dropped in the debates? You know #notmypresident will go after

  

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143. "That's the greatest storyline ever for a convention. "
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Candidates who were once bitter rivals during the primary season come together for the common good of defeating Trump? It will play very well.



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148. "Stop being dramatic. Shit happens every 4 years.. lol"
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shut up already, damn

  

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147. "Easy. Same way Hilldawg got over Obama spanking that azz"
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It’s just the primary.

It’s like players in the NBA fighting. They still gonna team up and play in the Olympics.

shut up already, damn

  

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150. "By, instead, selecting a female running mate who competently led"
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an organization this cycle, presidential campaign or otherwise, that didn't implode spectacularly.


lol.


They could avoid the issue you raise altogether if he does that.

It's the Dems tho.

  

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157. "was that really that contentious?"
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Trump shat on Cruz's wife and said his dad killed JFK

The Clintons were terrible towards Obama, because he cut the line.

A viral moment over bussing seems pretty mild compared to other primary spats we've seen.

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159. "Yup.. but WE talk about Cruz like he is a lil bitch for bending the knee"
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165. "he is... and worse."
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168. "oh he definitely is lol"
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just pointing out we've seen much worse then a brief spat over bussing of all things.

Cruz is bitch as are many republicans but they're also practical, in that they know this clown would push their agenda through

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183. "I know he is.. lol. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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179. "political opportunism "
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That's what happens when you're cool with just swaying in the winds of political expediency.

Kamala would best be served as AG imo.

If Biden wants to win - he needs to go bold and run with Warren.

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194. "Fam, they are on the same team and have no light between them on policy...."
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How could them working together be political expediency?!?

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151. "what would bidens priorities be if elected?"
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what are some things youre sure he would get done/passed and some that you think he would try to but might not get past republicans?

  

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155. "shouldn’t we know that at this point in the process "
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163. "The sign language through the nursing home window..."
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https://i.redd.it/41qufjeik1n41.jpg

Yeah, he’s still lying...constantly

They’re internet posts and podcast anecdotes...that he’s inserting himself into

Why’s he lie so much?

When he said it...I was like...why wouldn’t they use the phone?

SMH, his lies don’t even make sense.

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164. "I hate these little anecdotes that candidates use"
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"I was in X and met a person there who is *insert terrible hardship here*"

Like they want credit for observing something. Shut up.

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166. "The bankruptcy bill, social security cuts, iraq war"
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He lied...pretty much about everything last night.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/factchecking-the-march-democratic-debate/

MFers in here partying on Bern's L

Gonna be really surprised by the commercials of Biden calling for social security cuts...not 1...not 2...not 3...but 4Xs (c) Status Quo Joe...running next to videos of him pinching 9Y.O. girls' nipples

SMH, this is the best we can do?

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167. "He doesn't think it matters"
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Our politics isn't about addressing people's material needs. It's about which team you're on. If Biden's on the good team, it doesn't matter that he's distorting his long record.

We're just going to have to keep narrowing and narrowing and narrowing our politics until we're sufficiently alienated from the idea that politics is a way to improve our lives. Because as long as we think that politics can help us, we may want hold people who were in positions of power during our nation's previous crushing decisions accountable.

Can't have that. There are consultants whose jobs are on the line here.

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170. "Because 99% of ppl don’t care whether they tell the truth or not"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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174. "Apparently, they did in 1988"
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So...in order to defeat Trumpster...we have to become Trumpster

The strategy for winning the general is nominating a compulsive lying misogynist racist that boomers will vote for

That sound like a W to you?

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178. "yeha but im squarely a Anybody But Trump guy"
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so idc who it is. if folks think biden is the guy then we ride w/ biden

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181. "RE: yeha but im squarely a Anybody But Trump guy"
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https://youtu.be/S9OqUWMQfRo

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171. "yall really hating julian"
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signed joaquin

  

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172. "because he looks like an alien"
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173. "im pretty sure he was born in the usa"
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dont be racist








jokes

  

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176. "I'm pretty sure he was born in Uncanny Valley"
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184. "ya'll missed each other with two amazing takes. "
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or riffs

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203. "nah I think we heard each other lol"
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175. "I'm hoping he ends up as Sec of DHS, personally."
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He was most passionate about immigration issues during the debates, plus he has a legal background and I think latin american representation would be particularly meaningful in that role post-45.

We'll see tho.


Edit: I actually didn't mind him as a candidate, and I hope he runs again in the future. He just didn't resonate with folks at this moment, like at all *shrug*

  

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177. "he definitely needs more exposure"
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obviously biden isnt considering him as VP (at least no anymore) but he needs a high profile position where he would be in the public eye if hes hoping to run again.

hes someone i didnt really spend much time looking into to be honest. what i had seen seemed good.

  

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180. "Illinois Airs Primary Results Before Election"
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https://heavy.com/news/2020/03/biden-bernie-primary-results-aired-early-video/

AOC was right to call into question the fairness of these primaries. Add Illinois onto the long-growing list of states featuring questionable election integrity.

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182. "If the results tomorrow are close it’s suspect as hell.. lmao. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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185. "That Roque De La Fuente is gonna give Trump a real fight"
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Or.....it was just a test with fake numbers.

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187. "Wait... who? "
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186. "lol cmon man."
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188. "Yang is the only one who would..."
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...sway a number of Trump voters to the Democratic side.

according to the comment sections on YouTube, lol. probably some polls too if i'm not mistaken.

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189. "Hillary will be the VP. Biden's then gonna have an "accident...""
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190. "dont call it a comeback"
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literally, dont

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/488091-poll-sanders-cuts-biden-lead-to-single-digits-among-democratic-voters

i do wonder how much chaos covid-19 will have on the primaries. i would expect turn out will be lower. states that have good mail-in voting policies should be in good shape.

  

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191. "Dear sweet baby Jesus, please be abrams"
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192. "I don't even think it matters. or rather... let me correct that"
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Biden should absolutely NOT pick Klobuchar just to have "AN Woman" as his running mate. that would add nothing to a candidate that I believe is already very vulnerable going up against Trump.

there is Warren but "Pocahontas". I suspect she will slither away for 2024 in case the Biden Experiment fails


Harris, maybe. get as many neolibs and "fake libs" out to vote and hope the Republican vote is decimated (figuratively) by the combo of health/economic disaster

  

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193. "bernie surrogates blaming the dnc for primary election decisions"
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that the state party and/or state government control.

you figure these folks would go learn how this shit works by now but they never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.


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195. "i see people pushing for warren as vp but she doesnt add anything imo."
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i say that as someone who wanted warren to win.

she does well with college educated (mostly suburban) folks who self identify as very liberal. those people are already voting dem and are already fired up for nov.

and thats pretty much the extent of her narrow support base. she came in 3rd in her home state...which says a lot.

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212. "She still did better than Kamala and led a functional campaign org."
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>she does well with college educated (mostly suburban) folks
>who self identify as very liberal. those people are already
>voting dem and are already fired up for nov.
>

And? Who is Kamala firing up that isn't already voting dem? Some evangelical AKAs? lol. Her black support wasn't even stronger than Biden's and she's BLACK.

Other thing is, Warren is pretty much Biden's only play if he's interested in forging a unity ticket to bridge the moderate and left/"very liberal" wings of the party. Who knows whether Dems care about this or not, either. But if they do that's the play.


>and thats pretty much the extent of her narrow support base.
>she came in 3rd in her home state...which says a lot.
>

Yall already decided box-checking outweighs performance tho, by boosting Kamala who ran a shit campaign and flip-flopped harder on policy than almost anybody else in the field. Don't hold Warren to a different standard when Kamala couldn't even get that far. Kamala wasnt even poised to do well in CA.

And I say this while acknowledging that Warren didn't do particularly well in this primary. But if Biden wants a woman VP? Fine: Warren is by far the most competent executive out of the women that ran this cycle and brings solid volunteer and (small-donor) fundraising infrastructure ready to stand up against 45-Pence. A fluffy vanity pick like Kamala literally addresses none of Biden's weaknesses other than age. I mean damn, if he *must* run with a black woman at least Abrams can run an organization and might put Georgia in play.

  

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216. "Kamala brings nothing to the table "
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At least Abrams gives GA a chance of turning blue.

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227. "agreed."
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217. "damn you hatin on a sista!"
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what made you whatabout kamala because i brought up warren? lol.

i have my doubts about kamala now after seeing her campaign and how she was perceived by black voters (i made that biden/harris post 2 years ago). i do think abrams is the better strategic play (i said it recently in that same post).

but to be fair to kamala...

aside from being the 1st black da of san fran, the 1st woman da of san fran, the 1st black attorney general of ca, the 1st woman attorney general of ca, the 1st black woman senator from ca, the 2nd black woman senator period, with the 2nd most progressive voting record in the senate...

she ran the largest litigant/justice administration in the country (2nd only to the federal doj) in a state of 40 million people. overseeing a sprawling bureaucracy with a workforce managing large complex investigations, prosecutions, civil litigations, public advisories, assistance to other state/local/federal agencies, corporate oversight, etc.

so if you wanna go that route instead of 'box-checking'...the most competent executive of the women in the race was the actual competent executive. she is far more qualified in that regard compared to warren and abrams.

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226. "Lol, I don't hate Kamala. But I *was* extremely disappointed with her"
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performance this primary. Bc, as you rightfully mention, she has a lot of strengths.

>what made you whatabout kamala because i brought up warren?
>lol.

Lol! She's leading in this post's poll and on twitter, and I like her personality but just don't think it's warranted given how poorly she did this cycle.


>to be fair to kamala...
>
>aside from being the 1st black da of san fran, the 1st woman
>da of san fran, the 1st black attorney general of ca, the 1st
>woman attorney general of ca, the 1st black woman senator from
>ca, the 2nd black woman senator period, with the 2nd most
>progressive voting record in the senate...
>
>she ran the largest litigant/justice administration in the
>country (2nd only to the federal doj) in a state of 40 million
>people. overseeing a sprawling bureaucracy with a workforce
>managing large complex investigations, prosecutions, civil
>litigations, public advisories, assistance to other
>state/local/federal agencies, corporate oversight, etc.
>
>so if you wanna go that route instead of 'box-checking'...the
>most competent executive of the women in the race was the
>actual competent executive. she is far more qualified in that
>regard compared to warren and abrams.

Oh no doubt Kamala is super *accomplished*...but so, too, would somebody like John Kerry or Robert Mueller. Does that automatically translate to votes and infrastructure tho. I think I even said up top, if Kamala's short-listed for Biden's black female SC justice pick that actually strikes me as a better fit bc maybe national electoral politics is not her strength, given how spectacularly her presidential campaign imploded.

Other thing I should note is I have a very strong personal bias: I judge presidential candidates *super* hard on the campaign organization they're able to build. I basically see it as a metric for readiness, and a bare minimum. Like, if you can't even competently build an organization to get you elected, why should you be elected? Lol.

For example, people often mention how Obama was this once-in-a-lifetime candidate in terms of how he resonated and the historic precedent. But it's also important to note that he simply built out a fucking incredible campaign, and that he probably would have been competitive even if he was more of a dud candidate. The messaging, the fundraising, the digitial, the volunteer base, the BRANDING (eg. that sheppard fairey Obama portrait is like Warhol level iconic now, right?) I mean people may talk about experience and how at least he was in Congress before running blazay blah but imho it was his background as an organizer that lent a special vision to how his campaign sought to connect to people, which he then backed up with superior executive skills by lining up the right people, functions, and resources to execute his vision. Superior executive skills which then scaled well to governing.

I think one could even argue that 45 ran a similarly strong campaign, despite how many people feel about his victory. But Kamala's campaign was amateur hour, comparatively (and I'd argue Biden's is barely better lol), and if we were to compare her and Warren on this metric, Warren hits far closer to the necessary performace level imho.

  

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224. "Performance in the primary isn't a good metric either, though. "
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If anything, strong primary performance is usually treated as a negative, because a runningmate with a big national following would distract from the top of the ticket and line up some ugly news cycles about "second thoughts" among voters about the ordering of the ticket.

There's a reason that Barack Obama chose Joe Biden, who'd had a disastrous run in the '08 primary, and set up Hillary Clinton for an off-ticket position in the administration (and as a bonus, it was a position where her skills would be put to better use -- another relevant parallel to Warren). Biden wasn't gonna be a distraction from the Obama phenomenon (apart from the gaffes that everyone was already factoring in); he would be a team player; he shored up a few of Obama's perceived weaknesses (inexperience, skepticism from "white working class" voters); and helped solidify an important state (PA).

Sometimes primary runs go poorly because voters might respect a candidate generally speaking, but think there are better 'headline' choices for the top of the ticket. This was why I was I was thinking of Castro as an eventual runningmate for either Harris or Warren, back when their campaigns were looking strong (there was about a week like that for Harris, LOL), even though Castro's campaign never looked promising. He just seemed like a natural runningmate. I wasn't the only one saying he was actually running for Vice President. He complemented a lot of different possible candidates, brought a sense of continuity with the Obama years, and was the right age to be a very strong standard-bearer in 2028.


I actually think the argument for Warren on the ticket HAS gotten stronger lately, as the pandemic seems to have pushed a lot of people (even Trump voters) to want a technocrat with a plan for everything. If we could start the primary race over from scratch, I think Warren would do a lot better in these circumstances. And I think it could really help to have her on the ticket. At the same time, if people finally fell in love with Professor Warren, then again we'd get the problem of the ticket seeming 'upside-down' and depressing enthusiasm for Biden. I imagine Warren has the most value as a vocal surrogate on the campaign trail, with the natural implication that she might run Treasury, Labor, CFPB, Education, even HHS. Biden's argument needs to be "I'll be a manager, looking for input from non-sycophants who really know what the fuck they're doing." Barack Obama showed how much better that model is than Trump's 'first, everyone in this meeting will say I'm doing a great job' approach.

The biggest weakness of Harris as a runningmate, I think, is that she doesn't help with any important states (though the same can be said of Warren). If not for Joe's age, I'd say he needs to pick a complete newcomer from an important state. That seems to be the argument for Stacey Abrams. It's part of why I've been thinking about Val Demings. On the other hand, in this cycle where people are worried about Joe's age and there's an implicit agreement that he might retire and hand over the ticket in 2024, I think there's more impetus for an "already presidential" choice. This helps Kamala and probably Klobuchar, who I think everyone has always agreed would be a fine president if only they hadn't had to campaign for the position. It helps Warren too, but again she's a riskier bet and would probably help more elsewhere.

I'm all over the place on this, LOL.

  

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228. "I hear where you're coming from. I acknowledge my bias on this "
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in my reply to Reeq lol. *I personally* look hard at campaign organization/executive leadership when judging a candidate, but realize that may not be a popular way to look at things lol.


>If anything, strong primary performance is usually treated as
>a negative, because a runningmate with a big national
>following would distract from the top of the ticket and line
>up some ugly news cycles about "second thoughts" among voters
>about the ordering of the ticket.
>

This is a good point, but I also think Biden is a special nominee. Like I mention in #75 (https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13372455&mesg_id=13372455&page=#13373252), I think being VP to Biden would be atypical. If he was a stronger nominee resonating at Obama levels, who has their own large following and infrastructure going for him/her, I think a less rock star VP is fine.

But Biden did poorly in early states against his competitors, is literally coasting on name ID, and is weakly organized... and would be competing against 45 who is very strong in those areas. He needs a VP with some juice imho. Like, people are overwhelmingly voting for him fully aware that he might not even finish a term, is a gaffe machine, and doesn't have the most spotless record. I actually think there *wouldn't* be any second-guessing for that reason; voters this cycle seem to be placing highest priority on trust/known-entity leading the ticket (i.e. that last 2 primary candidates being Biden and Bernie).


>There's a reason that Barack Obama chose Joe Biden, who'd had
>a disastrous run in the '08 primary, and set up Hillary
>Clinton for an off-ticket position in the administration (and
>as a bonus, it was a position where her skills would be put to
>better use -- another relevant parallel to Warren). Biden
>wasn't gonna be a distraction from the Obama phenomenon (apart
>from the gaffes that everyone was already factoring in); he
>would be a team player; he shored up a few of Obama's
>perceived weaknesses (inexperience, skepticism from "white
>working class" voters); and helped solidify an important state
>(PA).
>

Right. But that was Obama tho. lol. An incredible political talent with a historic campaign infrastructure powering him. He needed a different type of support from Biden, than what I believe Biden needs from his VP. (Tbh, at Biden's age, I don't even think Obama could compete against his '08 self lol)

>Sometimes primary runs go poorly because voters might respect
>a candidate generally speaking, but think there are better
>'headline' choices for the top of the ticket. This was why I
>was I was thinking of Castro as an eventual runningmate for
>either Harris or Warren, back when their campaigns were
>looking strong (there was about a week like that for Harris,
>LOL), even though Castro's campaign never looked promising. He
>just seemed like a natural runningmate. I wasn't the only one
>saying he was actually running for Vice President. He
>complemented a lot of different possible candidates, brought a
>sense of continuity with the Obama years, and was the right
>age to be a very strong standard-bearer in 2028.
>

I hear ya. I'm sure Castro did actually hope he would resonate better tho, lol.

>
>I actually think the argument for Warren on the ticket HAS
>gotten stronger lately, as the pandemic seems to have pushed a
>lot of people (even Trump voters) to want a technocrat with a
>plan for everything. If we could start the primary race over
>from scratch, I think Warren would do a lot better in these
>circumstances. And I think it could really help to have her on
>the ticket.

I think I agree. My main thing with Warren has always been I believe she was the most "competent" person running, even though I disagreed with some of her policy prescriptions, and she would be a huge asset either leading the ticket or as vice. So I guess that leads my defenses of her now, mostly. But she also built a competent campaign organization which only solidified her readiness to me, since I personally look quite closely at that.

>
>The biggest weakness of Harris as a runningmate, I think, is
>that she doesn't help with any important states (though the
>same can be said of Warren). If not for Joe's age, I'd say he
>needs to pick a complete newcomer from an important state.
>That seems to be the argument for Stacey Abrams. It's part of
>why I've been thinking about Val Demings. On the other hand,
>in this cycle where people are worried about Joe's age and
>there's an implicit agreement that he might retire and hand
>over the ticket in 2024, I think there's more impetus for an
>"already presidential" choice. This helps Kamala and probably
>Klobuchar, who I think everyone has always agreed would be a
>fine president if only they hadn't had to campaign for the
>position. It helps Warren too, but again she's a riskier bet
>and would probably help more elsewhere.
>
>I'm all over the place on this, LOL.
>

LOL, it's all good. I understand your reasoning. Agreed, that Kamala doesn't really help anything electoral college wise. And agreed on Abrams, which is why I'm coming around on her (plus she's said in a recent interview she planned to run for pres within the decade, so she's committed/serious about the path). She also wouldn't be pulling from Congress, which is good for Dems efforts to hold the house and gain a majority in the senate, and I also like the organizing work she's doing with orgs like Fair Fight Action, Fair Count, etc. Val Demings, I'm not crazy about because she *just* flipped her seat in Congress. And Klobuchar's temperament and abusive history is disqualifying imho, certainly as a match to the most geriatric nominee/pres in history. Volatile, abusive, angry, impatient are like the worst possible personality traits to match with really elderly people.

  

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214. "they seem like a weird match"
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by weird match I mean mismatch

of every 9ne commonly mentioned, it's the one I can't picture

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196. "bloomberg still pulling votes from biden in fl smh."
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197. "tulsi gabbard currently coming in behind 4 candidates not running."
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208. "Lol losing to people who are not in the race"
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That's a silver lining for Bernie he's not doing that bad.

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199. "big boost in turnout projected in fl primary. even in a pandemic."
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https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1240059450007977987
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202. "fl voters trust biden over sanders on social security by big margin."
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https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1240070236801507328
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According to CBS News primary polls, 59% of Florida likely voters said they trusted Biden over Sanders -37%- to handle Social Security.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETWdTrPXYAEPPB8?format=jpg&name=large

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damn the sanders team pretty much focused their entire late stage campaign strategy on attacking biden over social security.

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207. "Damn Bernie people was pushing the social security attack hard"
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>https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1240070236801507328
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>According to CBS News primary polls, 59% of Florida likely
>voters said they trusted Biden over Sanders -37%- to handle
>Social Security.
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>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETWdTrPXYAEPPB8?format=jpg&name=large
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>https://t.co/E3KhCZjESV
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>damn the sanders team pretty much focused their entire late
>stage campaign strategy on attacking biden over social
>security.

That went nowhere. It's just like that last debate Bernie was suppose to expose Biden, nothing happen.

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211. "he hired a worse campaign staff this go round."
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thats really obvious now.

he had some old ass white political vets that actually knew politics last election.

now he went out and got a diverse ass team of younger people who would rather sit on twitter and troll people and spread disinformation all day.

they ran a campaign for the young turks youtube comment section and forgot what the actual party looked like.

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213. "Another reason I knew that strategy would be ineffective is the fact "
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that a lot of Biden's core support skewed older and were likely already aware of/present for Biden's evolution on various issues and don't care. lol

I mean, the left-wing was never "informing" these people of anything, nor do Biden supporters come across as the type that would completely freak out and change their vote because of decades old comments/gaffes *shrug*



>he had some old ass white political vets that actually knew
>politics last election.
>
>now he went out and got a diverse ass team of younger people
>who would rather sit on twitter and troll people and spread
>disinformation all day.
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>they ran a campaign for the young turks youtube comment
>section and forgot what the actual party looked like.

  

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219. "those attacks are generally ineffective anyway."
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when have you ever heard of someones vote years ago losing them an election?

if it aint fresh in their minds and relevant to some impactful recent event...voters arent really driven by it.

as soon as a candidate says that they changed/evolved...and have evidence of that...most voters tend to believe them.

are you really gonna harp on biden being anti-gay marriage a decade ago after all of the gay pride parade appearances, support for pro-gay legislation and policies under the obama administration, etc?

like theyre even attacking biden for his support of 'dont ask dont tell' when that was the progressive position in the 1990s.

bernie tried the same approach with hillary and her various votes. didnt work then either. he should have learned his lesson then.

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198. "let us all hope that David Frum, Bill Kristol et al will GOTV"
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for Biden in the general.

The neocons need to work that "Never Trump" magic to the thimble full of anti-Trump conservatives to bolster Biden to the White House.

Clyburn, and all of the Bloomberg bots need to work overtime too. Get in them cul de sacs and get those professional managerial types voting early.

  

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200. "damn you really hate voters for not picking the weakest candidate huh?"
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biden is also winning women, black people, and working class whites. you gonna shit on them too?

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They are sick and tired of Trump hedging on invading Syria - and the Bolton Boys still salty that they didn't see all-out war with Iran.

But with Biden, they might just get their chance.


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204. "Why do you care? You said youre not voting. Your opinion means nothing"
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205. "Sanders would need a lot more help in GOTV"
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He's not even getting a lot of Democrats, let alone swing voters/neocons/disaffecteds/whatever.

Sanders does not have widespread popularity. About a month ago, I thought he did. I thought he could pull in a broad coalition. The results showed that he can not.

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206. "This is true"
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>He's not even getting a lot of Democrats, let alone swing
>voters/neocons/disaffecteds/whatever.
>
>Sanders does not have widespread popularity. About a month
>ago, I thought he did. I thought he could pull in a broad
>coalition. The results showed that he can not.
>
>

Yeah can't argue with that, it's not up for debate. Time for Bernie supports to admit it.

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218. "Salute for acknowledging it. If only though Warren had more of a Bernie..."
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following.

It's self serving to say but Warren supporters are a bit too rationale and when they saw she had no path to victory they were like, oh well, let's move on. I wonder how well you can do without a rabid all or nothing base in politics.


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220. "yup this is the harsh reality."
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hopefully the progressive movement in general internalizes this and answers the call to improve/expand instead of resorting/clinging to excuses and conspiracy theories.

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209. "biden won every single county in fl. and is leading in all but 1 in il."
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that 1 county is the one that u of illinois is in.

bernie isnt winning urban, suburban or rural voters.

his lead with hispanic voters has all but evaporated too. lost em in fl and really close in il.

biden is winning some counties by like 30 points that bernie won in 2016.

its clear bernies base is smaller than a lot of people thought. a lot of it was just anti-clinton. hes lost a shit load of support this go round.

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210. "Damn losing voters"
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215. "Michelle Obama "
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She wouldn't do it but I dig picturing it

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221. "Sally Yates"
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222. "last night was a ringing endorsement for vote by mail."
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turnout up in az and fl despite all of the challenges with the coronavirus, closing/moving polling places, etc.

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223. "rest of the primary should be done via mail-in ballots"
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even the general. its over for bernie but for the down-ballot races the primary should be finished via mail-in ballots.

  

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225. "Bernie Sanders to 'assess' presidential campaign"
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/politics/bernie-sanders-assess-2020-campaign/index.html

  

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229. "i hope he stays in through wisconsin."
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theres an important state supreme court race there and a live primary would drive turnout on the (D)emocratic side.

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232. "Latino voters.... another failure of this 'coalition'"
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at this point, you can't even use that term to describe Bernie's base


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231. "tulsi gabbard drops out and endorses biden. somebody check on vex."
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https://twitter.com/AliVelshi/status/1240654325778694144
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233. "LOL damn I missed the Biden part when I posted in the other thread"
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234. "lol"
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236. "here is her official announcement btw. very good imo."
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https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1240650484546859008

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237. "the comments. drink every time someone says establishment"
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they'll be turning on Bernie soon too

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239. "im not even sure these people know what they want anymore."
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238. "she always said she was going to endorse the nominee"
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despite the cries about RUSSIA and her plotting a 3rd party run - so this wasn't a surprise.

I did get into with some hardcore bernie supporters who were trying to drag her for this. Hope they keep that same energy when Bernie endorses Biden in coming weeks.

  

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240. "salute to her for being a team player."
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i seriously wanna know what the ultimate aim/objective is for these folks who are against tulsi/bernie unifying the party to defeat trump.

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269. "thank you for not going Michael Tracey Mode"
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>despite the cries about RUSSIA and her plotting a 3rd party
>run - so this wasn't a surprise.

but I did get a LOL at those corkblowers turning on their heels when Tulsi said this. All of a sudden, all that "Russia" shit vanished into thin air.

Bunch of fatuous tools, the lot of them

  

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283. "yea seeing Neera Tenden & Jonathan Chait admit they were wrong"
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is the gift that keeps on giving.

They were just so certain that Tulsi was plotting with Putin.

How quickly she became respectable in their eyes and *not* a Russian asset lol.

>but I did get a LOL at those corkblowers turning on their
>heels when Tulsi said this. All of a sudden, all that "Russia"
>shit vanished into thin air.
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235. "damn where is kirsten gillibrand?"
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funny how prominent she was when she was gearing up to run for president.

then once it ended...*poof*.

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241. "Here she is"
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>funny how prominent she was when she was gearing up to run
>for president.
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>then once it ended...*poof*.

Endorsing Biden

lol she was MIA for a min

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-kirsten-gillibrand-a-former-2020-foe-backs-joe-biden-for-president/2020/03/19/b84a1d1a-6a10-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_politics&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter


Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) threw her support behind former vice president Joe Biden on Thursday, joining a dozen other former competitors to back his bid to become the Democratic nominee for president.

“He’s the absolute best candidate to defeat President Trump, and I think he is the person who has gained the trust and the respect of the American people in a way that no one else has,” Gillibrand said in an interview with The Washington Post. “The truth is he’s run the strongest campaign.”

Gillibrand’s nod comes as much of the party is coalescing behind Biden, who has racked up a more than 200 delegate lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). The third well-known competitor in the race, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii), ended her campaign Thursday and endorsed Biden.

The health and financial crises caused by the coronavirus pandemic contributed to her view that Biden is the right candidate, Gillibrand said.

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242. "OK she doesn't have to fucking lie."
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“The truth is he’s run the strongest
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243. "LOL"
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>“The truth is he’s run the strongest
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>LOL


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245. "Lmao"
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shut up already, damn

  

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244. "lol right on cue."
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246. "Study: How Black Donors Spent Their $$$ During Dem Primary (links)"
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https://plusthree.com/news/updates/african_americans_invest_in_2019_campaigns/


A minority-owned (yay!) firm analyzed data (up to Dec 31 2019) from the ActBlue platform that (most?) Dem candidates were using. Kind of an interesting sampling approach, basically inferring race based on surname (which the census bureau does provide propensity estimates for) and geography (i.e. majority-black zipcodes) and constructing a black donor sample from that. I'm a little skeptical about how representative their sample could be (I'm think their propensity model may have biased results to Black/ADOS donors in the south or with southern ties, at the expense of black donors in regions like the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic etc or with heritage other than ADOS), but gotta start somewhere I guess. Interesting findings either way:


Estimated Total Dollars Donated by Black Donors: $40,848,906

Estimated Total of Contributions: 1,941,271

Estimated Average Donation Amount: $21.03



Estimated Black Donation Totals Per Primary Candidate:
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$10,588,778 - Bernie Sanders
$6,853,765 - Elizabeth Warren
$6,075,504 - Pete Buttigieg
$3,651,449 - Joe Biden
$2,999,488 - Kamala Harris *suspended Dec 3, 2019
$2,438,540 - Andrew Yang
$1,449,537 - Amy Klobuchar
$1,426,265 - Beto O'Rourke *suspended Nov 1, 2019
$1,248,673 - Cory Booker
$1,018,672 - Julian Castro
<$1,000,000 - Tulsi Gabbard, Wayne Messam, and all remaining candidates except Deval Patrick and Michael Bloomberg

Figure: https://plusthree.com/images/aa_donors_0320_1.png



Estimated Proportion of Black Donors Per Primary Candidate:
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14.77% - Elizabeth Warren
14.70% - Bernie Sanders
14.37% - Julian Castro
14.20% - Kamala Harris *suspended Dec 3, 2019
14.06% - Cory Booker
13.29% - Joe Biden
12.47% - Pete Buttigieg
11.87% - Andrew Yang
11.71% - Tim Ryan
11.28% - Marianne Williamson
10.87% - Tulsi Gabbard
10.32% - Beto O'Rourke *suspended Nov 1, 2019
<10.0% - Amy Klobuchar and all remaining candidates except Deval Patrick and Michael Bloomberg

Figure: https://plusthree.com/images/aa_donors_0320_2.png



Estimated Monthly Black Support Per Primary Candidate:
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https://plusthree.com/images/aa_donors_0320_3.png

^looks like they only covered the folks that were still competing and received votes in the early states i.e. Biden, Buttigieg, Gabbard, Klobuchar, Sanders


Estimated Monthly Black Support For Kamala Harris and Cory Booker Only:
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https://plusthree.com/images/aa_donors_0320_4.png


Estimated Black Donor Distribution by Zipcode:
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https://plusthree.com/images/aa_donors_0320_9.png

^Note: you can start to see here what I meant about their propensity model biasing their sample towards Black/ADOS from the south/with southern ties. I find it very hard to believe there was a (relative) dearth of black donors in the northeast, mid-atlantic, etc as their mapping suggests.



Overall pretty interesting. Other than my concern about how representative their sample is, I'm not too surprised by anything EXCEPT Pete Buttigieg nearly *tying* Warren for 2nd place (?!) in estimated total dollars of black donor support. Considering she lead the field in estimated 'proportion' of black donors, and candidates only differed in estimated proportion of black donors by a few percentage points... and also the fact that he was second only to Bernie in minority support in the early contests where he won/tied/did well eg. IA, NH... I don't see how it is possible he had "zero black support" and I'm not sure I'll ever forgive the media for incessantly hanging that narrative around his neck all cycle with their bunk ass polls. Like he raised almost DOUBLE the amount of money from black donors that Biden & Kamala did, in total AND monthly, with a FRACTION of their name ID and nascent ties to the community. He was doing fine, and folks like Klobuchar or Beto - who the media was always trying to interchange him with - were not even close. He only did poorly with minority voters in the states where literally everyone else who was not Bernie (NV) & not Biden(SC) did. And considering he was one of the top fundraisers throughout the primary, his ~12% proportion of black donor probably translated to more dollars and donors than the ~13%-14% Biden, Kamala, Booker, and Castro were at. Ugh. lol

Anyway. Warren's fundraising strength with black voters is impressive. I wish this study could have looked at the gender breakdowns too. I'd be interested to see who, between Warren and Kamala, has stronger support from black women.

  

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247. "A media report on the study (link). Apparently black support was ~13%"
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of the total contributions all candidates received throughout the primary. That's pretty good since black people are just under 13% of the electorate (https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/01/PSDT_2020electorate-00.png). Folks are engaged.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-donors-gave-41m-2020-democrats-last-year-sanders-topping-n1162336

  

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248. "so bernie was treating aoc like a clingy sidechick?"
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they got a full behind the scenes look at the implosion of the sanders campaign.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democrats-2020.html

some quick snippets:

https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/1241382396706148353
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“As Ms. Warren relentlessly courted Ms. Ocasio-Cortez last fall, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s advisers had to prod Mr. Sanders’s aides into having him call her...”
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https://twitter.com/merici/status/1241350380904157191
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shit reads like the sanders campaign was run by the exact type of college progressive club types that his supporters have become more and more stereotyped as.

its pretty clear now that a lot of the behavior the 'bros' get criticized for isnt just emblematic of supporters. its built into the candidate too.

aoc was basically only as good as her usefulness. and bernie got so cocky after 3 early states (2 of them caucuses) and resulting positive news coverage and opinion polls (leading biden in black voters is still a classic lol)...that he really thought he could go put away 2 opponents in their home states instead of shoring up support among key constituencies (which apparently he didnt really have the support of lol).

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249. "^^^ not trolling during a pandemic/national emergency "
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250. "lol right? Not sure what he thinks he's accomplishing with this"
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But the irony couldn't be richer as he's peddling division at the exa