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walihorse
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"Poll question: Are you going to vote regardless of the candidate "


  

          

I've been saying this for months. I will not only vote for whoever is the nominee, but I will volunteer for them too.

I'm a Warren/Bernie supporter. FL starts early voting this Sat and I will go vote for Bernie. I went canvassing last sat and going this sat too.

I'd rather elect a flaming bag of dog shit over trump. I do not care if its sleepy joe. Hell I'd love it if he put out an ad saying I'll bring calm back so you can sleepy joe at night again.

Are you hearing anyone saying if their preferred candidate isn't picked they will not vote? I hope not. The Bernie supporters need get over it if he isn't nominated. I understand people feeling raw about the way things have been done to him, but Biden's win on Tuesday make me think that people right now only care about Trump losing.

Poll result (31 votes)
Yes - No matter who it is (23 votes)Vote
No - If it isn't my preferred I'm not voting (5 votes)Vote
Depends on who and their VP pick (2 votes)Vote
Other - Please expand (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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I'll hold my nose and vote Blue... BUT
Mar 05th 2020
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What alternative is there?
Mar 05th 2020
2
biden supporters treated bernie a lot better than yall treated warren.
Mar 05th 2020
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      Bernie is attacked constantly from all sides in the MEDIA....
Mar 05th 2020
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           keep saying shit like this...its working out well for yall:
Mar 05th 2020
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                Her base is pretty split between progressive & moderate..
Mar 05th 2020
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absolutely...
Mar 05th 2020
3
Anyone who doesn’t vote for the Dem nominee is trash
Mar 05th 2020
4
I've seen comments (i know grain of salt) saying if its another Tim Kane
Mar 05th 2020
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      I'd vote, but another Tim Kaine running mate would be insanely dumb.
Mar 05th 2020
151
yellow
Mar 05th 2020
6
this is horseshit - ill tell you why in two words
Mar 05th 2020
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RE: this is horseshit - ill tell you why in two words
Mar 05th 2020
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      This is fucking moronic.
Mar 05th 2020
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      I honestly don’t get it...
Mar 05th 2020
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      You'r familiar with the definition of insanity...
Mar 05th 2020
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           Sick cliche bruh. Now try using your brain.
Mar 05th 2020
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                lol!
Mar 05th 2020
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                jesus.
Mar 05th 2020
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                haha
Mar 05th 2020
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      i Don’t have a tent and I don’t give a shit what you do
Mar 05th 2020
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      word...
Mar 05th 2020
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      RE: I don’t give a shit what you do
Mar 05th 2020
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           because you’re f*cking with our democracy...
Mar 05th 2020
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           LOL, you’re serious...?
Mar 05th 2020
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           I’m not supporting any kind of process
Mar 05th 2020
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      Ole take your ball and go home ass shit right here.
Mar 05th 2020
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           D candidate doesn’t get my vote by default <shrug>
Mar 05th 2020
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                OK, have you done the ground work?
Mar 05th 2020
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                     Yep. Empty fake-woke bullshit.
Mar 05th 2020
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                          The part that is getting overlooked...again...
Mar 05th 2020
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                               And the part *you're* overlooking, again, is that there's a lot ...
Mar 05th 2020
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                               lol how much daylight do you think there is
Mar 05th 2020
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                                    And BHO is not beyond reproach
Mar 05th 2020
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                                         The place to vote this belief is in the primary
Mar 05th 2020
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Honest question
Mar 05th 2020
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      I’m not the D party...so no, I don’t think voting
Mar 05th 2020
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blue no matter who. i would vote for a bag of blue dildos if i had to.
Mar 05th 2020
7
Used
Mar 05th 2020
27
*sits in this lane*
Mar 05th 2020
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seriously
Mar 05th 2020
72
We did this once, but I won't vote for Biden
Mar 05th 2020
8
Worth the Price (vid) - Biden's role in the Iraq War
Mar 05th 2020
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so let the whole thing burn down?
Mar 05th 2020
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entitlement/privilege.
Mar 05th 2020
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RE: entitlement/privilege.
Mar 05th 2020
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Tell me more about the privilege of voting in DC
Mar 05th 2020
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      are you saying you wouldnt vote the same way
Mar 05th 2020
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Yes...hopefully kill the DNC altogether.
Mar 05th 2020
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      i wouldn’t trivialize it...
Mar 05th 2020
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           price of progress
Mar 05th 2020
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RE: We did this once, but I won't vote for Biden
Mar 05th 2020
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I did - it was incredibly sad
Mar 05th 2020
52
Yes I hate that part of this whole process.
Mar 05th 2020
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"Trump is more anti-war than Joe Biden" is all I needed to see here.
Mar 05th 2020
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      It's probably more the latter than the former
Mar 05th 2020
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           Gotcha. I saw that subtitle but couldn't tell who actually said it.
Mar 05th 2020
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this was actually a reasonable take and i respect it
Mar 05th 2020
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I try, thanks!
Mar 05th 2020
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I appreciate you response
Mar 05th 2020
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The only time I was less excited to vote for a candidate was Kerry in 04...
Mar 05th 2020
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a rockstar vp would do a lot of good.
Mar 05th 2020
19
Oh damn good thinking haha.
Mar 05th 2020
22
I keep hearing people say Abrams but she couldn't win a state-wide...
Mar 05th 2020
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      It’s mostly vanity at this point.
Mar 05th 2020
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      it worked with palin.
Mar 05th 2020
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      Thank you.
Mar 05th 2020
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      I don’t think Biden’s numbers will sag
Mar 05th 2020
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      But Biden is trash too lol.
Mar 05th 2020
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      I thought Palin actually hurt his credibility overall
Mar 05th 2020
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           Well yea it def hurt his credibility with humans.
Mar 05th 2020
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      I don't think Beto would be a bad idea, I definitely think Biden needs.....
Mar 05th 2020
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           I mean yea - hard to even *find* an older person lol.
Mar 05th 2020
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                lol not a hard bar to clear.
Mar 05th 2020
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                I mean I've heard some people pushing for Bernie for VP and to me...
Mar 05th 2020
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                     LOL for sure.
Mar 05th 2020
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      she won the ga governors race imo.
Mar 05th 2020
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      Yea I avoided this part of it but I agree here.
Mar 05th 2020
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      even if she lost fair and square...a lot of downballot dems
Mar 05th 2020
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           100%. On the strength of her tremendous campaigning.
Mar 05th 2020
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                damn i hadnt even thought about her campaigning/organizing prowess.
Mar 05th 2020
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                     Yea she's top notch in that regard.
Mar 05th 2020
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      ^^^all of this. Not to mention she’s pretty much universally loved
Mar 05th 2020
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           Yea that's what I'm saying as well.
Mar 05th 2020
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           in the general election we're not trying to appeal to democrats...
Mar 05th 2020
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                That's not entirely true. It's about both; with Ds it's about turnout.
Mar 05th 2020
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                y'all gotta understand that this is still a racist country and a lot of....
Mar 05th 2020
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                     Of course it is. But that's kinda dodging the point.
Mar 05th 2020
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                Turn out. millions of dems didn’t vote at all in 2016, we definitely
Mar 05th 2020
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      It's a fair criticism but that's Georgia.
Mar 05th 2020
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would have done a lot of good in '16 too but Tim Kaine got chosen
Mar 05th 2020
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She played it safe cuz she thought she was a shoo-in.
Mar 05th 2020
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why would anyone choose Tim Kaine for anything ever?
Mar 05th 2020
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      lol he's a white man that speaks fluent spanish tho
Mar 05th 2020
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needs to be a progressive IMO
Mar 05th 2020
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i was just saying that this is kerry 04 redux
Mar 05th 2020
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Anyone saying they won’t vote for Biden because Hillary lost
Mar 05th 2020
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Dude above thinks voting 3rd party will "change the process" smh
Mar 05th 2020
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      How did that work out for us in 2016?
Mar 05th 2020
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           i *still* dont get the logic behind a wasted 3rd party vote.
Mar 05th 2020
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                there's like 100 other protest methods that are a better use of time
Mar 05th 2020
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                It's almost like you think we're on the same team
Mar 05th 2020
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yes - anybody but Trump
Mar 05th 2020
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^^^THIS
Mar 05th 2020
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Drain the swamp.
Mar 05th 2020
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thank you
Mar 05th 2020
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yeah
Mar 07th 2020
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bloomberg was the only one running that i would hesitate on
Mar 05th 2020
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Agree re: Bloomberg and meant to say that in my 1st response.
Mar 05th 2020
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yeah i was ultra relieved Tuesday
Mar 05th 2020
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I am going to vote but not for a democrat or republican
Mar 05th 2020
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if that makes you feel better i guess
Mar 05th 2020
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      having a closed primary and gerrymandering makes democrats feel better
Mar 05th 2020
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           there's like better ways to protest
Mar 05th 2020
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                I am engaged in multiple methods of protest at every level of government
Mar 05th 2020
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                     exactly my point
Mar 05th 2020
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                          voting for joe biden is ineffective
Mar 05th 2020
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                               Not if you take a single second to consider the alternative.
Mar 05th 2020
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                                    Do you live in a swing state? I don't.
Mar 05th 2020
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                                         I don't either (I'm in MA) but this is fair.
Mar 05th 2020
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these niggas want to be wined and dined now. While still cursing us
Mar 05th 2020
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you cursed me out a few times
Mar 05th 2020
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we are seeing evidence of this:
Mar 05th 2020
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      Exactly. One or two of these coming up Tuesday (3-10)
Mar 05th 2020
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seeing as how I'm not a child
Mar 05th 2020
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this. And I’m glad new ppl are engaged and paying attention
Mar 05th 2020
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It's wild how they don't see the full context and importance.
Mar 05th 2020
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Co-sign. Adults make tough decisions between bad options everyday. n/m
Mar 05th 2020
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warren officially bows out. I hope she holds her endorsement until
Mar 05th 2020
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I want to say "she has no one to blame but herself" but ...
Mar 05th 2020
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honestly? i love liz
Mar 05th 2020
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I love Liz too. And you've got really good points here.
Mar 05th 2020
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      that said, i hope we are smart enough to copy-paste her plans
Mar 05th 2020
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           Hahah no doubt. Just straight up adopt "I have a plan for that."
Mar 05th 2020
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           im in this line
Mar 05th 2020
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           and give her allllllllll the credit.
Mar 05th 2020
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                ^^^
Mar 05th 2020
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                ^^^^^^^everything this
Mar 05th 2020
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She did it to herself by abandoning M4A.
Mar 05th 2020
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Yep this is one of the reasons I'd have said that.
Mar 05th 2020
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thats a Bernie Bro narrative...she isnt innocent but got a raw deal
Mar 05th 2020
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      Nah, that’s bull... she wasn’t ready for the spotlight.
Mar 05th 2020
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Terrible candidate who would've made a damn good president
Mar 05th 2020
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whoever is president in 2021 would be stupid to not lean on her
Mar 05th 2020
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Yup Dept of Treasury.
Mar 05th 2020
106
I'm happy that she is ending it now
Mar 05th 2020
91
I'm so pissed off
Mar 05th 2020
119
Me too. Ours is on the 24 (georgia) and I know Biden will trounce
Mar 05th 2020
121
LOL
Mar 05th 2020
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i'm really struggling with this
Mar 05th 2020
133
people saying i love liz but voted for ____ are kind of annoying me
Mar 05th 2020
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i had decided on voting for her
Mar 05th 2020
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Sad. But I'm glad she's still gonna be a giant in the party.
Mar 05th 2020
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      All very well said. Specifically this.
Mar 05th 2020
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      Thanks all.
Mar 05th 2020
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      all of this
Mar 05th 2020
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      I really think if she had come out with her (transition) plan for m4A
Mar 05th 2020
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      thanks for saying all this.
Mar 05th 2020
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      this was a great read.
Mar 05th 2020
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      Well said, Strav.
Mar 05th 2020
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      Beautifully said.
Mar 05th 2020
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      dope read
Mar 05th 2020
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hate how alot of ppl treat voting more as a form of personal expression
Mar 05th 2020
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That's what I've been trying to say above.
Mar 05th 2020
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Isn't that a problem to solve?
Mar 05th 2020
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      Being an adult is hard. You don't always get your way. Sometimes...
Mar 05th 2020
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      you can do way more than just vote. jesus christ.
Mar 05th 2020
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      probably depends on where you're coming from
Mar 05th 2020
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      *failed in the democratic primaries*
Mar 07th 2020
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RE: Are you going to vote regardless of the candidate
Mar 05th 2020
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what would MLK do if he was me in 2020?
Mar 05th 2020
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Joe Biden Ignores Black People's Pleas for a Fair Democracy
Mar 05th 2020
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this is not the time to try to “change the process” by voting 3rd pa...
Mar 05th 2020
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That privilege tho...
Mar 05th 2020
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Obama wouldn't have even gotten the nom in this climate.
Mar 05th 2020
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RE: this is not the time to try to “change the process” by voting 3r...
Mar 05th 2020
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trust the process
Mar 07th 2020
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      Get Trump out
Mar 07th 2020
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           one, he's not on the ballot in the democratic primary
Mar 07th 2020
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                Cool. He’s gotta go though
Mar 07th 2020
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RE: ANow That It's Bernie v Biden?
Mar 05th 2020
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i live in a blue state
Mar 07th 2020
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1. "I'll hold my nose and vote Blue... BUT"
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....to think that all Bernie, Warren and Mayor Pete supporters will excitedly flock to vote Biden in November is a pipe dream





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2. "What alternative is there?"
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voting 3rd party?

The thing that gets me about all this is, the more division within the Democratic voters the more likely trump wins.

How is that not 1st in mind for some? I don't think Bernie is unelectable, but if more people think it and vote for Biden, then I'll vote for Biden.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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5. "biden supporters treated bernie a lot better than yall treated warren."
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but yall expect warren and her supporters to just jump over to the bernie campaign.

i dont see any talk of making amends and building bridges there for some reasion.

  

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18. "Bernie is attacked constantly from all sides in the MEDIA...."
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Thu Mar-05-20 10:13 AM by My_SP1200_Broken_Aga

  

          

...but yeah, keep bringing up random anonymous meanies who said some not nice thing on twitter

As far as warren supporters who don't side with Bernie. they weren't even progressives to begin and would never side with a progressve candidate.


My prediction is Warren will stay in the race for a while THEN Biden will offer Warren the VP IF (and only if) the race is still close. This would soften the blow for some progressives and send Bernie packing, but it would still be a bloodbath in november and another 4 years of Trump.


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77. "keep saying shit like this...its working out well for yall:"
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>As far as warren supporters who don't side with Bernie. they
>weren't even progressives to begin and would never side with a
>progressve candidate.

  

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125. "Her base is pretty split between progressive & moderate.."
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....i'd guess more progressive, but to expect her entire base to jump to one single candidate this early would be silly


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3. "absolutely... "
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I get that others may have better policies - track records, but none of those polices can happen until we get trump out. I’m riding with Biden because in my opinion he has the best shot of doing that...

  

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4. "Anyone who doesn’t vote for the Dem nominee is trash "
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and who is the person who said it depends on the VP?

Who the hell else would you vote for?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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68. "I've seen comments (i know grain of salt) saying if its another Tim Kane"
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They aint voting

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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151. "I'd vote, but another Tim Kaine running mate would be insanely dumb."
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6. "yellow"
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Bern is my preferred candidate

I would vote for Warren

Other than that...I’m done holding my nose and voting blue no matter who

It matters.

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13. "this is horseshit - ill tell you why in two words"
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SUPREME. COURT.

i can respect folks who want to take a principled stance on their candidate.

But just understand, you're looking at 2 liberal justices replaced by trump, and possibly a younger justice to replace Thomas if he retires.

At the end of a second trump term you WILL have states where abortion is legal and states where abortion is illegal. And i dont mean nothing cute like having so many restrictions that it's 'functionally illegal.' I mean on-the-books, supreme court approved, criminalized abortion.

protections for LGBT and gay marriage would be out the window too.

this isn't fear mongering. this is fact. this is a multi-generational FAR right supreme court that will do untold damage.

if you can't stomach blue-no-matter-who, this is the result. You wanna be picky about different ideologies of the left? Do that shit in your local primaries. Its straight up petulant to do that shit nationally. Especially when you consider that the granular ideology of the president DOESN'T EVEN MATTER THAT MUCH. Its not like bernie is prez and POOF universal healthcare. We still have congress. All you need in the oval office is a democrat. it doesnt matter how moderate or liberal they are.

it really doesn't.

  

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15. "RE: this is horseshit - ill tell you why in two words"
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Thu Mar-05-20 09:55 AM by bentagain

  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yLJ5NHARMk&app=desktop

thanks for the pep talk coach and the warm welcome into your tent

Why is there no criticism of the party and the process that gave us Trump?

We should just wash, rinse and repeat in 2020?

I voted for HRC, against my 'petulant ideologies'

...and here we are...

Why would I do that again?

Maybe, just maybe (c)...the D party should nominate a better candidate

Do you think a 2 party system is worth preserving?

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20. "This is fucking moronic."
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He just told you why you should do that again.

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23. "I honestly don’t get it..."
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... 😢

  

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24. "You'r familiar with the definition of insanity..."
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The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results (c) Einstein

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29. "Sick cliche bruh. Now try using your brain."
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60. "lol! "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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79. "jesus."
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166. "haha"
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21. "i Don’t have a tent and I don’t give a shit what you do"
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This is just a consequence that gets overlooked and ppl need to be reminded.
Ideology is great, it’s noble, but there’s also actual human rights at stake here.

The preservation or destruction of the 2 party system is moot at this stage in the game.
I’d love more viable parties. And?

  

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25. "word..."
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28. "RE: I don’t give a shit what you do"
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Apparently you do

I'm not a registered D

I won't support another bullshit candidate.

Why are you criticizing me...instead of the process that keeps bringing us to this point?

How does that process change if you keep supporting it?

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40. "because you’re f*cking with our democracy..."
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or has the the potential too...

even with the candidate you want, he’d still have to compromise on some of the changes he wants to make.

  

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65. "LOL, you’re serious...?"
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It’s my fault

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41. "I’m not supporting any kind of process"
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I’m looking at the reality in front of me
That reality is that one party wants to criminalize abortion and take away minority rights - the other party doesn’t. And that the pieces are in place for them to actually DO IT now. The right wing wet dream of overturning roe is here. Now. This election is the only thing standing in the way.

So it’s immaterial to me who the titular heads of these parties are.
You want a whole new system and process? WORD! That shit takes years and years of groundwork. I’m looking at an election in November player.

  

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31. "Ole take your ball and go home ass shit right here. "
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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64. "D candidate doesn’t get my vote by default <shrug>"
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I did that in 16’...against my beliefs...and I won’t do it again

I believe in voting for candidates whose policies reflect my positions

Biden is not that.

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74. "OK, have you done the ground work?"
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>I believe in voting for candidates whose policies reflect my
>positions


plz, tell me about all the county, city, district and statewide campaigns you;ve been involved in?
all the great stuff that bernie believes in goes nowhere without ground-up congressional support.

Voting or not voting in a presidential election based on ideology any more granular than right or left makes zero sense. That's not how this works.

  

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84. "Yep. Empty fake-woke bullshit."
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>plz, tell me about all the county, city, district and
>statewide campaigns you;ve been involved in?
>all the great stuff that bernie believes in goes nowhere
>without ground-up congressional support.
>
>Voting or not voting in a presidential election based on
>ideology any more granular than right or left makes zero
>sense. That's not how this works.

^^^^ preach it.

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99. "The part that is getting overlooked...again..."
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I wasn’t a registered D...until BHO

BHO brought me into the party

I stayed to vote for Bern

The party lost me after 16’

i.e. I expect voters to leave if Biden is the nominee

Yes, I am working with the Nurses Campaign to Win Medicare for All this cycle

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104. "And the part *you're* overlooking, again, is that there's a lot ..."
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... more at stake in this election than there has been in our lifetimes so to ignore that bigger-picture context is to selfishly put your individual principles above the greater good, which incidentally negatively impact the types of things you claim to stand for and want to accomplish.

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111. "lol how much daylight do you think there is"
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between BHO and biden?
esp in the functional role of a presidency?
the answer is little to none.

  

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129. "And BHO is not beyond reproach "
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So the D strategy is...

Fear, if you don’t support our candidate, 4 more years of Trumpster

Which conflicts with my belief that Biden Loses to Trumpster

or shaming former BHO supporters...for not supporting Biden

Even though I have issues with the BHO administration

?

That’s a W?

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131. "The place to vote this belief is in the primary"
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>Which conflicts with my belief that Biden Loses to Trumpster

In the general election - the preservation of american women’s bodily autonomy is MORE than reason enough to support the D candidate - whoever it is, whatever you think of their chances

And I would and/or will be saying this exact same thing to a Biden supporter If Bernie was/is the nom.

  

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76. "Honest question"
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Do you feel that this will help Trump get re-elected?

I get what you are saying regarding the system. I do not want things to go back to where they were pre-Obama. I want better.

But at this point, I'd rather go back to 2012 then Trump till 2024.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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92. "I’m not the D party...so no, I don’t think voting "
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for a candidate that reflects my beliefs will help Trumpster

That’s on the party that nominates candidates that can’t beat Trumpster

i.e. I think Biden is an L.

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7. "blue no matter who. i would vote for a bag of blue dildos if i had to."
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27. "Used"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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66. "*sits in this lane*"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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72. "seriously"
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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8. "We did this once, but I won't vote for Biden"
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I live in the District of Columbia, so my vote is both overwhelmed by the 95+ Democratic majority here and the fact that we are almost useless in terms of electoral college votes.

Voting against Trump would be pretty enjoyable, but I decided back in 2003 that I would never actively support any candidate, for any position, who voted for the war in Iraq. It's the most destructive and deliberately evil political event of my lifetime and was so transparently supported by lies at the time that there's no excuse for having done so that I could accept.

The sad thing is that after Obama got so much traction for his clean hands on that issue, I sort of figured that it wasn't going to be the sort of thing that would come up very often. Obama's platform was obviously much more thoroughgoing than just "I didn't vote for the war" but it really seemed to propel him through the primaries in a way that made my view seem mainstream in the Democratic Party.

And since then, the Democrats have nominated one and probably now another who cast their vote for the 2002 Iraq Resolution. To me, that's completely unconscionable. An entire region destabilized (fuck, what a crushingly anodyne word to describe the resulting genocide and bloodshed) and, what, like a half-million civilian casualties for the most obvious lie perpetrated by the most shameless bad dealers.

It's extremely frustrating to see that there aren't political consequences for inflicting that kind of horror on regular people abroad. People just like me, except that they live in a different country run by a wealthy ruling class that doesn't get along with our wealthy ruling class.

Iraqi people just wanted to wake up in their regular ass beds, have breakfast with their goofy family, go to their dumb fucking jobs, and come home without worrying about getting blown up. That's me. And you. And all of us, except in another country. In what universe would we treat somebody who made that decision about American lives, American civilians as anything but an absolutely profound evil in the world?

If Joe Biden were sincere about his regret for that decision, he would have left politics. Like, imagine making a mistake that killed that many people and still thinking to yourself "I should still be doing this job." The absolute arrogance is stunning, particularly given the low stakes. Unlike Bush, nobody wants to send him to the Hague. All we want is for the people who were responsible for this decision to no longer have an influence in American politics.

Whatever. I'm never going to be able to make my view of this stuff fit with the increasing punditization of American voters. Every day makes me more wrong, but I'm probably not capable of believing that we have any different electoral dharma beyond voting to improve the material circumstances of ourselves and regular people worldwide.

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9. "Worth the Price (vid) - Biden's role in the Iraq War"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhcuei8_UJM

He didn't just vote...he was chair of the foreign relations committee

He has not been challenged on his description of his role as...just a bad vote

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10. "so let the whole thing burn down? "
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11. "entitlement/privilege."
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12. "RE: entitlement/privilege."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yLJ5NHARMk&app=desktop

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14. "Tell me more about the privilege of voting in DC"
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My vote is entirely symbolic. Nobody will suffer as a result of it. Being a voter and living in the city is largely bad, but being absolutely free to vote my conscience in national elections is pretty much the only positive part of it.

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17. "are you saying you wouldnt vote the same way"
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if you lived in a state that wasnt guaranteed to go blue?

  

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141. "Yes...hopefully kill the DNC altogether."
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How many people would still have faith in that party after an establishment double-L to Donald Trump?

  

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150. "i wouldn’t trivialize it..."
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who knows what condition we’ll be in if Trump’s elected again. Just look at the precedent his impeachment set...

  

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155. "price of progress"
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51. "RE: We did this once, but I won't vote for Biden"
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Very well said. Did you see this video of US veterans confronting Biden about Iraq yesterday? Very powerful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojkCKPtcJ54

  

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52. "I did - it was incredibly sad"
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People chanting "Joe! Joe! Joe! Joe!" over that guy's obvious pain was really disheartening.

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62. "Yes I hate that part of this whole process."
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>People chanting "Joe! Joe! Joe! Joe!" over that guy's obvious
>pain was really disheartening.

In these instances I always think, why don't they step aside and have a conversation privately (however possible)

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57. ""Trump is more anti-war than Joe Biden" is all I needed to see here."
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I sympathize with any veteran who has fought in that bag of shit war but if their official position is to use their lingering anguish about Iraq as an excuse to vote for Trump then I can't really take their stances all that seriously.

Textbook example of emotions over a personal experience clouding any kind of rational thought.


>Very well said. Did you see this video of US veterans
>confronting Biden about Iraq yesterday? Very powerful.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojkCKPtcJ54

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71. "It's probably more the latter than the former"
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>I sympathize with any veteran who has fought in that bag of
>shit war but if their official position is to use their
>lingering anguish about Iraq as an excuse to vote for Trump
>then I can't really take their stances all that seriously.

He's a member of a leftist anti-war group. He's just trying to shock the people there. With the caveat that I don't know that guy, there's no way he's going to vote for Trump.

>Textbook example of emotions over a personal experience
>clouding any kind of rational thought.

That's fair, and beyond that - certainly true in this instance. Though sometimes I wish we did a better job of centering people's emotions in politics because they absolutely come out when we vote. Even less big, loud ones. I'm doing fine right now, financially - but I have *four* jobs that are cobbled together in this weird, unstable mess that ultimately provides me with no security. What's appealing to me about socialism (and I don't mean this as a discussion on the ideology so much as a discussion of the emotional reasons why people may find it appealing) is that it addresses itself to the intense, creeping *worry* that so many working people feel.

This board is going to continue having a lot of fun with Sanders' campaign likely flaming out, but even if he failed to connect with a lot of black voters and the volume of younger, workingclass voters that he promised, I think a lot of people could really appreciate the way that he tried to center their stories. The video of him with a woman and her family in Denmark South Carolina talking about how they don't have clean water was emotionally centered in a way that I'd love to see more of. It wasn't the wrong answer just because it didn't work. Just means that there are other, probably more successful right answers.

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81. "Gotcha. I saw that subtitle but couldn't tell who actually said it."
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>He's a member of a leftist anti-war group. He's just trying to
>shock the people there. With the caveat that I don't know that
>guy, there's no way he's going to vote for Trump.

Word - good.


>That's fair, and beyond that - certainly true in this
>instance. Though sometimes I wish we did a better job of
>centering people's emotions in politics because they
>absolutely come out when we vote. Even less big, loud ones.
>I'm doing fine right now, financially - but I have *four* jobs
>that are cobbled together in this weird, unstable mess that
>ultimately provides me with no security. What's appealing to
>me about socialism (and I don't mean this as a discussion on
>the ideology so much as a discussion of the emotional reasons
>why people may find it appealing) is that it addresses itself
>to the intense, creeping *worry* that so many working people
>feel.

^^^ totally agree.


>This board is going to continue having a lot of fun with
>Sanders' campaign likely flaming out, but even if he failed to
>connect with a lot of black voters and the volume of younger,
>workingclass voters that he promised, I think a lot of people
>could really appreciate the way that he tried to center their
>stories. The video of him with a woman and her family in
>Denmark South Carolina talking about how they don't have clean
>water was emotionally centered in a way that I'd love to see
>more of. It wasn't the wrong answer just because it didn't
>work. Just means that there are other, probably more
>successful right answers.

Well effing said. Couldn't agree more here either. IMO you can criticize Bernie for a lot of things re: how he campaigns, his me-against-the-world complex, etc. but you can't ever challenge him on his convictions. And this has long been my argument about voting for candidates like him. Maybe the ideas seem outlandish or impossible but why wouldn't you want to vote for someone who you *know* is honest, who you *know* is working to stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves, etc. and let the chips fall where they may re: policies being passed ? I'd rather support someone who fights for universal healthcare, free public education, closing the wage gap, fixing the broken tax structure, etc. and see them fall a little short of those things than vote for someone who doesn't support those things and watch republicans continue to get Ws in the name of "bipartisanship" like we always do.

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54. "this was actually a reasonable take and i respect it"
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63. "I try, thanks!"
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I've been on this board for about twenty years now, and sometimes I think about how this place was back then when we were all really young. It's been cool watching people grow up on this board at the same time as I've grown up, but it's also difficult not to notice that my view on this would have been shared by a lot more people in 2002-2003 than it is now. I don't have a judgement on that, exactly. I just think it's interesting.

People have to respond to their own conditions when they vote, and though I get carried away and fail sometimes, I'm not interested in mocking voters for their own perception of their needs. It's really hard out there for a lot of people and if their view is "we've got to stop the bleeding" then I'm not going to fault them for that.

But I'm happy to fault the people who are actually responsible for making decisions for failing to make the right ones.

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82. "I appreciate you response"
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Would you vote differently in a different state? Say FL, PA, or MI?

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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16. "The only time I was less excited to vote for a candidate was Kerry in 04..."
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But the stakes are even higher now than they were in 2004 (if you asked me then if I'd ever say that ...). So just like I did then, I'll walk up to that booth with a scowl on my face and cast my vote for an uninspiring old white dude and hope the world can be salvaged.

Round and round we go.

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19. "a rockstar vp would do a lot of good."
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they can even float rumors that voting for biden is actually voting for the vp because biden wont finish out his term lol.

  

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22. "Oh damn good thinking haha."
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>they can even float rumors that voting for biden is actually
>voting for the vp because biden wont finish out his term lol.

Anyway yea - you're right re: VP. Who he pairs up with could very well make or break the general. I liked the idea of Abrams (for reasons other than the tokenism aspect) but could be sold on a lot of people. Fuck, Warren might be a good pick ...

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26. "I keep hearing people say Abrams but she couldn't win a state-wide..."
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election in Georgia. I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket. Black folks in the south are largely for Biden anyway.

  

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34. "It’s mostly vanity at this point. "
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they won’t vote for Biden if it’s Beto or Pete?

They lying.

Ain’t no one ever been like “oh that’s the VP?, now I’m on board!!!”

That’s some Sarah Palin shit.

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42. "it worked with palin."
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thats exactly why they did it.

mccains numbers sagged with the base.

they increased after palin.

  

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43. "Thank you."
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>thats exactly why they did it.
>
>mccains numbers sagged with the base.
>
>they increased after palin.

They rolled out an uninspiring corpse so they needed to do something to jolt the base.

Same scenario here.

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75. "I don’t think Biden’s numbers will sag"
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nor will they increase with his VP pick.

McCain was trash.

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86. "But Biden is trash too lol."
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>McCain was trash.

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96. "I thought Palin actually hurt his credibility overall"
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102. "Well yea it def hurt his credibility with humans."
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Palin tapped into the same base of brainless ghouls who support Trump in the present day so I think in the aggregate she improved his numbers. But with thinking people with beating human hearts, of course she hurt his credibility she is an imbecile.

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45. "I don't think Beto would be a bad idea, I definitely think Biden needs....."
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someone younger beside him

  

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47. "I mean yea - hard to even *find* an older person lol."
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>RE: I don't think Beto would be a bad idea, I definitely think Biden needs...
>someone younger beside him

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50. "lol not a hard bar to clear."
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98. "I mean I've heard some people pushing for Bernie for VP and to me..."
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the idea of TWO 80y\o white men on the ticket is not appealing at all

  

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105. "LOL for sure."
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>the idea of TWO 80y\o white men on the ticket is not
>appealing at all

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37. "she won the ga governors race imo."
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the secretary of state who was also running for gov against her purged 350k people (largely in black and democratic areas) off the voter rolls and refused to process 55k new registrations before the election.

then you had all the fuckery like voting machines with no power cords, 1 voting maching in a precinct with 1000s of voters, etc.

then you had the dre voting machines with no paper trail and no audit ability (100k votes just mysteriously disappeared in black districts for the lt gov race).

then you have the sos election server passwords and voter files being exposed over the internet.

when the sos office was sued...they wiped the server with data from the election clean *twice*.

abrams only lost by 50k. about 1 pt.

  

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44. "Yea I avoided this part of it but I agree here."
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>the secretary of state who was also running for gov against
>her purged 350k people (largely in black and democratic areas)
>off the voter rolls and refused to process 55k new
>registrations before the election.
>
>then you had all the fuckery like voting machines with no
>power cords, 1 voting maching in a precinct with 1000s of
>voters, etc.
>
>then you had the dre voting machines with no paper trail and
>no audit ability (100k votes just mysteriously disappeared in
>black districts for the lt gov race).
>
>then you have the sos election server passwords and voter
>files being exposed over the internet.
>
>when the sos office was sued...they wiped the server with data
>from the election clean *twice*.
>
>abrams only lost by 50k. about 1 pt.

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53. "even if she lost fair and square...a lot of downballot dems"
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got swept into office on her coattails.

local/state officials and congresspeople like lucy mcbath who won the district that jon ossoff just lost in 2017.

these are the type of electoral complexities that the left needs to be more cognizant of when developing a strategy.

georgia swinging 5 pts blue in a midterm where the electorate is less dem than a presidential year is a major feat.

  

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59. "100%. On the strength of her tremendous campaigning."
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This could help not only Biden in the general but as you said, the bigger picture of downballot voting.


>got swept into office on her coattails.
>
>local/state officials and congresspeople like lucy bath who
>won the district that jon ossoff just lost in 2017.
>
>these are the type of electoral complexities that the left
>needs to be more cognizant of when developing a strategy.
>
>georgia swinging 5 pts blue in a midterm where the electorate
>is less dem than a presidential year is a major feat.

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85. "damn i hadnt even thought about her campaigning/organizing prowess."
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i was thinking about the symbolic nature of her being the vp.

but could you imagine abrams calling the shots on your ground operation? fire.

  

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87. "Yea she's top notch in that regard."
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She legit willed herself to become a national household name.

Obviously she's not the first but considering where she came from it was pretty remarkable stuff.

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94. "^^^all of this. Not to mention she’s pretty much universally loved "
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By democrats. Let’s face it, Biden is not exactly exciting in and of himself, she is tho

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95. "Yea that's what I'm saying as well."
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>RE: ^^^all of this. Not to mention she’s pretty much universally loved
>By democrats. Let’s face it, Biden is not exactly exciting
>in and of himself, she is tho

She is inspiring and can motivate in ways Biden cannot.

She's not the only one but for some reason she seems to "check all the boxes" for lack of a better way to put it.

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103. "in the general election we're not trying to appeal to democrats..."
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>By democrats. Let’s face it, Biden is not exactly exciting
>in and of himself, she is tho

  

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107. "That's not entirely true. It's about both; with Ds it's about turnout."
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>RE: in the general election we're not trying to appeal to democrats...

I get what you're saying, that in a GE you need to get the "undecided" voters but re: democrats it's *always* about turning out D voters who often stay home due to general discouragement. Elections, like 2016, are lost when turnout is low due to shitty, uninspiring candidates.

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128. "y'all gotta understand that this is still a racist country and a lot of...."
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folks were pissed that Obama got 2 terms. A lot of people went against Hillary because they felt like she was still part of that administration and went the other way.

I know people are anxious to see a black face on the ticket but don't think a large part of the country is ready.

A lot of it is optics, I think Kamala and her colonizer husband would be easier for some folks to accept than a thick black woman with natural hair, it is what it is.

  

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130. "Of course it is. But that's kinda dodging the point."
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>folks were pissed that Obama got 2 terms.

... but he still got those 2 terms. Arguably in large part because he was a great campaigner and organizer and motivated people. I think Abrams has similar energy.

>A lot of people
>went against Hillary because they felt like she was still part
>of that administration and went the other way.

I would imagine those same types of people voted Romney in 2012 if they felt that way. Obama was who he was by 2012. So I can't imagine a lot of Obama 2008 & 2012 voters ditched Hillary cuz of the Obama association. Rather they did moreso because she was an uninspiring, establishment dem w/tons of baggage.


>I know people are anxious to see a black face on the ticket
>but don't think a large part of the country is ready.
>
>A lot of it is optics, I think Kamala and her colonizer
>husband would be easier for some folks to accept than a thick
>black woman with natural hair, it is what it is.

Yea optics are a big part for sure. But Obama is proof that if you can carry a message and inspire, even racist ass racists can look the other way if they think it will benefit them.

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123. "Turn out. millions of dems didn’t vote at all in 2016, we definitely "
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Need to appeal to democrats to have all of us engaged and ready to vote

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39. "It's a fair criticism but that's Georgia."
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>election in Georgia. I'm not sure what she brings to the
>ticket. Black folks in the south are largely for Biden
>anyway.

^ right I agree. That's exactly why I said I like her for more than just the tokenism aspect.

But she's a strong grassroots campaigner who I think could have strong impact on a national level.

And to be clear I'm not even in here trying to say she's my top or only pick, I only mentioned her cuz I'd seen mentioned before and I think she may be someone worth considering.

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113. "would have done a lot of good in '16 too but Tim Kaine got chosen"
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why did she choose tim kaine?

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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116. "She played it safe cuz she thought she was a shoo-in."
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She didn't want to choose someone polarizing so as not to risk fucking up the landslide victory she was guaranteed; so she chose an unassuming, boring guy who was in her corner about just about everything policy-wise.

But alas.

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136. "why would anyone choose Tim Kaine for anything ever?"
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VP matters in the sense that you can fuck it up, and Hillary did just that.

  

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148. "lol he's a white man that speaks fluent spanish tho"
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137. "needs to be a progressive IMO"
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Maybe Abrams has that Obama magic that allows us all to just project our own standing on her, I dunno.


But I think it needs to be someone that the left can get excited about. I don't just say that selfishly, but I also think its the best way to ensure the most Dems show up to the polls.


Had it actually been Bernie, I would have said the same- someone moderate.


  

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112. "i was just saying that this is kerry 04 redux"
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NO ONE wanted to vote for John Kerry. I was talking to someone yesterday and she couldn't even remember that John Kerry ran for President in 04.

"Dukakis?" No that was 88. John Kerry, the vietnam war vet!
"Gary Hart?" No, that was 88 and he's not from Massachusetts.
"The former Secretary of State?" YES!



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30. "Anyone saying they won’t vote for Biden because Hillary lost"
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is a fucking idiot.

I didn’t like Hillary, didn’t like Biden...

But what do I gain by not voting for them because my guy lost ok they primary?

That’s definitely some white privileged shit.

Fuck all you guys and women who won’t vote for the Dem because your guy or woman lost.



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32. "Dude above thinks voting 3rd party will "change the process" smh"
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38. "How did that work out for us in 2016? "
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These people dumb as hell.

Voting 3rd party is just throwing away a vote.

Some smart dumb shit.

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49. "i *still* dont get the logic behind a wasted 3rd party vote."
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if you wanna protest...cool.

if you wanna not vote for dem or repub...cool.

but whats the point of getting up...traveling to a voting booth...standing in line...then casting a vote for someone you know has no chance of winning?

why not just stay home?

like some niggas say their non-dem vote wont matter anyway because they live in an area thats already blue. but then go place a vote for a 3rd party candidate that really doesnt matter.

makes no sense.

  

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61. "there's like 100 other protest methods that are a better use of time"
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115. "It's almost like you think we're on the same team"
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33. "yes - anybody but Trump"
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He’s gotta go. That’s the bottom line.

  

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35. "^^^THIS"
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>He’s gotta go. That’s the bottom line.

  

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48. "Drain the swamp."
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78. "thank you"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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176. "yeah"
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he could be very dangerous in 2nd term -- Supreme Court (multi-generational damage as someone up said). Plus I don't want to see an unshackled #45 who isn't constrained by having to get elected again.

Look how he started wylin out after he didn't get convicted in the Senate. If he won again I think he'd truly be in IDGAF mode and do some crazy crazy shit.

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36. "bloomberg was the only one running that i would hesitate on"
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at least that had some sort of chance at a point.

out of the three (sorry 4) that are left i definitely will vote for any of them. whoever wins the nomination NEEDS to reach out to the supporters of the others and make attempts to earn their votes.

  

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46. "Agree re: Bloomberg and meant to say that in my 1st response."
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>RE: bloomberg was the only one running that i would hesitate on

100%. I'd still have done it most likely but he was one I would've realllyyyy had to consider.


>at least that had some sort of chance at a point.
>
>out of the three (sorry 4) that are left i definitely will
>vote for any of them. whoever wins the nomination NEEDS to
>reach out to the supporters of the others and make attempts to
>earn their votes.

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56. "yeah i was ultra relieved Tuesday"
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55. "I am going to vote but not for a democrat or republican"
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It is 2020. The electoral college still exists. There are no women in my state's congressional delegation. The Democrats have gerrymandered and corrupted thr voting process in Maryland and they have let Baltimore fend for itself against the bigots, billionaire developers, and a rabidly segregationist white supremacy. Nah

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58. "if that makes you feel better i guess"
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108. "having a closed primary and gerrymandering makes democrats feel better"
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so yes, voting for democrats makes me feel worse. Especially people like Joe Biden

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114. "there's like better ways to protest"
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3rd party voting is kinda lazy. just go beat feet for the party so the vote will mean something later.

  

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117. "I am engaged in multiple methods of protest at every level of government"
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and voting against Democrats is the easiest one.

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140. "exactly my point"
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>and voting against Democrats is the easiest one.

easiest and least effective. lose lose.

  

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152. "voting for joe biden is ineffective"
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154. "Not if you take a single second to consider the alternative."
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157. "Do you live in a swing state? I don't. "
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If you live in a swing state, by all means, vote for Joe Biden. I agree every democrat is better than Donald Trump and the republicans. I live in a community where white democrats think they can continue to ignore the problems of Black people and maintain some sense of the status quo as long as they're civil to each other. They want to get along with Trumpublicans. The white democrats, like Biden, think that Republicans will somehow come to their senses and give up their centuries long effort to destroy Black America.

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163. "I don't either (I'm in MA) but this is fair."
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>If you live in a swing state, by all means, vote for Joe
>Biden. I agree every democrat is better than Donald Trump and
>the republicans. I live in a community where white democrats
>think they can continue to ignore the problems of Black people
>and maintain some sense of the status quo as long as they're
>civil to each other. They want to get along with
>Trumpublicans. The white democrats, like Biden, think that
>Republicans will somehow come to their senses and give up
>their centuries long effort to destroy Black America.

All fair, and I agree re: Biden and the overall status quo. So I should've left room for folks like you and Walleye who have this (massively important) perspective and live in places where a 3rd party vote for prez won't necessarily have an adverse impact on the national result.

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67. "these niggas want to be wined and dined now. While still cursing us"
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Out. I’m not at all surprised tho. Like I’ve said before I never factored in the hardcore Bernie bros, they were never gonna vote for anyone but their god. Who just recently called their attacks on warren “disgusting”(finally strong language from him
About their vile ways)

Bernie didn’t bring out new voters (so far) but Biden I think can bring out white working class, Obama trump voters in those key upper Midwest states

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80. "you cursed me out a few times"
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I never cursed at you..

But I know there is history so iont take it personally.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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100. "we are seeing evidence of this:"
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>Bernie didn’t bring out new voters (so far) but Biden I
>think can bring out white working class, Obama trump voters in
>those key upper Midwest states

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13370114&mesg_id=13370114&page=#13371103

the rust belt is gonna be a big test for bernie (starting with michigan next week). if bernie cant run up the score there then hes finished. cuz hes gonna get killed in fl, ga, etc.

  

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120. "Exactly. One or two of these coming up Tuesday (3-10)"
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I think are caucuses, but I wanna see who wins Michigan, Idaho and Washington, I think Biden trounces in Mississippi and Missouri

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69. "seeing as how I'm not a child"
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and this isn't my first election


Yes of course.


Some of these cats are so obviously BRAND NEW to this

  

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88. "this. And I’m glad new ppl are engaged and paying attention "
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>
>
>Some of these cats are so obviously BRAND NEW to this


But is it constructive, is the energy working in a positive and informed way?

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90. "It's wild how they don't see the full context and importance."
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>RE: seeing as how I'm not a child
>and this isn't my first election
>
>
>Yes of course.
>
>
>Some of these cats are so obviously BRAND NEW to this

But I guess that's the problem with most voters, even republicans. Can't see past the end of their noses.

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146. "Co-sign. Adults make tough decisions between bad options everyday. n/m"
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70. "warren officially bows out. I hope she holds her endorsement until "
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We get a nominee. She would have been a great president, but like I said I mourned her run weeks ago.

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73. "I want to say "she has no one to blame but herself" but ..."
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I think that's only half true. I think she made a lot of mistakes that could've helped her stay viable for longer but I also think she had a lot of forces out of her control working against her (namely, her gender, among others).

But I agree 100% that she would've made a great president. I was sad when she started taking corporate money but I think she got desperate.

I hope she's considered for a VP pick by Biden if he ends up getting the nod. I think she'd be a strong running mate.


>RE: warren officially bows out. I hope she holds her endorsement until
>We get a nominee. She would have been a great president, but
>like I said I mourned her run weeks ago.

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89. "honestly? i love liz"
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and mainly because I think she would have been able to achieve quite a bit of her policy proposals - or at least get us on the way there

but i don't wish for this;
>I hope she's considered for a VP pick by Biden if he ends up
>getting the nod. I think she'd be a strong running mate.

i definitely want to see her have a cabinet level position (although if this is at the risk of our losing her senate seat, then no. liz.)

instead i want to see the democratic party take the long-term approach and pick someone that could potentially run next time
and to me that is someone younger, more dynamic)
liz is unfortunately also up there in age - and i hope i dont come across as ageist- i am not. as i said, i think whatever role she takes up she would be incredible

but we really need to start cultivating a pool of younger people who have the potential to not only carry the presidency- *next time and the time after that and....but also are ensure we can win in local and federal elections
that should be our longer term strategy and i think it should start now.

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93. "I love Liz too. And you've got really good points here."
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>and mainly because I think she would have been able to
>achieve quite a bit of her policy proposals - or at least get
>us on the way there

Agree entirely.


>but i don't wish for this;
>>I hope she's considered for a VP pick by Biden if he ends up
>>getting the nod. I think she'd be a strong running mate.
>
>i definitely want to see her have a cabinet level position
>(although if this is at the risk of our losing her senate
>seat, then no. liz.)
>
>instead i want to see the democratic party take the long-term
>approach and pick someone that could potentially run next
>time
>and to me that is someone younger, more dynamic)
>liz is unfortunately also up there in age - and i hope i dont
>come across as ageist- i am not. as i said, i think whatever
>role she takes up she would be incredible

Good points. I often forget how old she is cuz she's relatively new in terms of time spent in the political arena.


>but we really need to start cultivating a pool of younger
>people who have the potential to not only carry the
>presidency- *next time and the time after that and....but also
>are ensure we can win in local and federal elections
>that should be our longer term strategy and i think it should
>start now.

Yea no doubt. There's a lot of damage to be undone at the state and local levels, the courts, congress ... so I agree that 2nd to getting this cancer out of the White House, Dems need to focus on longterm strategy and incremental gains and motivating the young voters to get out.

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101. "that said, i hope we are smart enough to copy-paste her plans"
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into our agenda, lol

im all for plagiarism in this case

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109. "Hahah no doubt. Just straight up adopt "I have a plan for that.""
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>RE: that said, i hope we are smart enough to copy-paste her plans
>into our agenda, lol
>
>im all for plagiarism in this case

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118. "im in this line"
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i hope the agenda we run on vs trump is basically warrens ideas.

  

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126. "and give her allllllllll the credit."
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progressive policy discussion/credibility shouldnt be dominated by 1 ideologue when people like liz created an entire consumer protection apparatus out of thin air from a desk in cambridge.

  

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132. "^^^"
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134. "^^^^^^^everything this"
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>progressive policy discussion/credibility shouldnt be
>dominated by 1 ideologue when people like liz created an
>entire consumer protection apparatus out of thin air from a
>desk in cambridge.

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
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97. "She did it to herself by abandoning M4A. "
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110. "Yep this is one of the reasons I'd have said that."
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Also her bullshit w/Bernie killed her.

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142. "thats a Bernie Bro narrative...she isnt innocent but got a raw deal"
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She fucked up by refusing to answer the M4A taxes question when she was the front runner.

(This was that 6 week stretch where she took ALL the criticism for M4A, while Bernie and crew just chilled and let her take arrows)


Then when she released an actual plan for M4A that wasn't the pure form the bros wanted, she started getting attacks from the left.


She should have been consistent from the start. Here is my healthcare plan, here is the transition, here is how we pay for it. Maybe not even that last part, because no man is asked how they will pay for shit.


I laugh at these dudes calling her a spoiler because had she not been in the race, Bernie would have gotten all that M4A heat. He was able to coast.


Now, she and her team stumbled for sure. In addition to not being consistent on healthcare, she also fucked up by not running more against Trump.

That last one was probably the biggest mistake, because like how she ended Bloomberg. Dude spent 500 mil to get completely emasculated on national TV.

She should have ran more against Trump specifically, and maybe had a better strategy with regards to picking specific states focus on.


  

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167. "Nah, that’s bull... she wasn’t ready for the spotlight. "
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Don’t blame Bernie or the Bros for that.

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135. "Terrible candidate who would've made a damn good president "
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Most of her missteps politically were ultimately insignificant things, but unfortunately those are the things that kill you

  

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83. "whoever is president in 2021 would be stupid to not lean on her"
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including trump.

  

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106. "Yup Dept of Treasury. "
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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91. "I'm happy that she is ending it now"
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only if it will leave the 2 front runners

I'm going to vote for Bernie in the Primaries and Biden if he is the nominee, no fs ands or buts.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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119. "I'm so pissed off"
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I wanted a chance to vote for her

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121. "Me too. Ours is on the 24 (georgia) and I know Biden will trounce "
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So I wanted to put my vote in for my Liz, but oh well.

I’ll vote for tulsi , I’m sure she will stay in the dem primary race all the way until 2021

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124. "LOL"
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>tulsi , I’m sure she will stay in the dem
>primary race all the way until 2021

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133. "i'm really struggling with this"
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>So I wanted to put my vote in for my Liz, but oh well.

i really wanted to vote for her too, even though she would've had no chance
for me it was about voting my passion
i'm #teambiden for now..... but honestly i cant say if i wont just go ahead and vote liz because this is the only time i get to vote my passion
we'll see what MD looks like in terms of polling.

may the best 'old man yelling at cloud' win
and by best, i mean the one who proves they have the ability to keep the house hopefully win the senate.


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122. "people saying i love liz but voted for ____ are kind of annoying me"
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not strictly on here. if i didnt already get to vote for her i think it would annoy me even more.

  

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127. "i had decided on voting for her"
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even though she's left of me but I thought she'd make the best president of the bunch.

i wound up voting for Joe, because I knew she was toast.

  

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138. "Sad. But I'm glad she's still gonna be a giant in the party."
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Very different situation, but suddenly I'm thinking about Ted Kennedy, who just didn't get the right cards to bring a presidential run together but still found ways to be one of the most important politicians in the country. I hope her future is every bit as big as his was.

Yeah there were unforced errors. I think much of the reputation she developed for "stunts" was undeserved, but that seemed like a part of the problem at the end.

Anti-intellectualism was a problem for her, but that's to be expected. Sexism creeps into all facets of how we judge female candidates. Most female national candidates have spent decades preparing an "I'm not like your preconceptions of female politicians" narrative (working as a prosecutor, a secretary of state, whatever). The way that Warren jumped into politics unexpectedly late in life, and entirely on the power of her own academic work, precluded some of the carefully planned image cultivation that we see from other female candidates. At her best, it helped her seem open, genuine in ways that we don't normally get to see from female national candidates and it's part of what powered her rise. But then there's the downside that every little thing got judged and blown out of proportion. Female national candidates tend to be very guarded for a reason.

I do really resent the fact that she fell from her frontrunner status because of Bernie Sanders's agenda. She was pushing M4A, green new deal, things that I didn't particularly like, but I respected the fact that she was honestly building bridges to Sanders supporters and trying to get us past this intraparty warfare and build something new and inclusive. But the fact that it was then treated like it was on her (solely) to explain how she'd pay for these things (when Bernie would get away with just bullshitting his way through the same questions, on the rare occasions that he even got them), and that THAT was what caused her decline at a time when she really was starting to look like not just the frontrunner but a way for the party to find its future --- that bothered me and I imagine it still bothers her. And then she got thanked for it by being called a snake.

All that said, counting by votes as opposed to delegates (which is not what officially matters, for a reason, but does say something about the mood of the party), she came in a very strong third place against two candidates with huge built-in advantages. That's a big deal, and it says a lot about how much she matters to the party.

I'm guessing she won't endorse anybody. She has honest and unavoidable differences with Joe Biden. There's nothing she's cared about more than bankruptcy reform. And the senator from Delaware, the home state of all the credit card companies, would inevitably and justifiably be a bad guy to someone who cares about this as much as she does.

At the same time, all the people expecting her to endorse Sanders are oversimplifying the dynamics, in my view. Progressivism comes in a lot of different flavors. Warren's progressivism has been guided by research. Sanders's progressivism has been guided by ideology. It's grated on me since 2016 just how glib and slapdash he is about the real justification for his positions. It's fucking dangerous if a powerful person puts their ideology ahead of real understanding and intellectual challenge, even if that ideology is just. In fact, especially if that ideology is just, because a just ideology, poorly understood and poorly implemented, is self defeating. I don't think she takes Sanders seriously, even when they agree.

More simply, there just isn't a reason for her to endorse Sanders other than to burn down the party, which is not something she wants to do and not something that would serve the reform efforts she really cares about. I imagine she'd happily serve as Treasury secretary for either president, or probably a number of other cabinet positions. But for the time being it's probably more valuable (to the country at least) for her to hold that senate seat if there's an outside chance of us winning a brief Senate majority. A few years down the road when a Democratic governor would choose her replacement or a new election for her seat comes up, maybe then she'll find a new thing.

Or maybe she'll just be the most important Senator in the party for the foreseeable future. That ain't bad.

She was my personal candidate from the start, even when I decided I wouldn't vote for her, it felt unfair. In a world with a more healthy political system, she'd be on the fast track to the presidency. But this isn't the end of Elizabeth Warren.

  

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139. "All very well said. Specifically this."
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>At the same time, all the people expecting her to endorse
>Sanders are oversimplifying the dynamics, in my view.
>Progressivism comes in a lot of different flavors. Warren's
>progressivism has been guided by research. Sanders's
>progressivism has been guided by ideology. It's grated on me
>since 2016 just how glib and slapdash he is about the real
>justification for his positions. It's fucking dangerous if a
>powerful person puts their ideology ahead of real
>understanding and intellectual challenge, even if that
>ideology is just. In fact, especially if that ideology is
>just, because a just ideology, poorly understood and poorly
>implemented, is self defeating. I don't think she takes
>Sanders seriously, even when they agree.
>
>More simply, there just isn't a reason for her to endorse
>Sanders other than to burn down the party, which is not
>something she wants to do and not something that would serve
>the reform efforts she really cares about. I imagine she'd
>happily serve as Treasury secretary for either president, or
>probably a number of other cabinet positions. But for the time
>being it's probably more valuable (to the country at least)
>for her to hold that senate seat if there's an outside chance
>of us winning a brief Senate majority. A few years down the
>road when a Democratic governor would choose her replacement
>or a new election for her seat comes up, maybe then she'll
>find a new thing.

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174. "Thanks all."
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Thu Mar-05-20 08:56 PM by stravinskian

          

I almost didn't post it because I wrote it kinda spur of the moment in between meetings. And it turned out oddly emotional. (Also, kinda weird that it ended up in this completely unrelated thread. But I guess this is the first thread where I saw a comment about her dropping out.)

But I guess I've been stewing for a while over the rise and fall of the Warren campaign. I want to live in a world where her strengths and contributions are more universally obvious.

  

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143. "all of this"
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>
>Anti-intellectualism was a problem for her, but that's to be
>expected. Sexism creeps into all facets of how we judge female
>candidates. Most female national candidates have spent decades
>preparing an "I'm not like your preconceptions of female
>politicians" narrative (working as a prosecutor, a secretary
>of state, whatever). The way that Warren jumped into politics
>unexpectedly late in life, and entirely on the power of her
>own academic work, precluded some of the carefully planned
>image cultivation that we see from other female candidates. At
>her best, it helped her seem open, genuine in ways that we
>don't normally get to see from female national candidates and
>it's part of what powered her rise. But then there's the
>downside that every little thing got judged and blown out of
>proportion. Female national candidates tend to be very guarded
>for a reason.
>
>I do really resent the fact that she fell from her frontrunner
>status because of Bernie Sanders's agenda. She was pushing
>M4A, green new deal, things that I didn't particularly like,
>but I respected the fact that she was honestly building
>bridges to Sanders supporters and trying to get us past this
>intraparty warfare and build something new and inclusive. But
>the fact that it was then treated like it was on her (solely)
>to explain how she'd pay for these things (when Bernie would
>get away with just bullshitting his way through the same
>questions, on the rare occasions that he even got them), and
>that THAT was what caused her decline at a time when she
>really was starting to look like not just the frontrunner but
>a way for the party to find its future --- that bothered me
>and I imagine it still bothers her. And then she got thanked
>for it by being called a snake.

  

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144. "I really think if she had come out with her (transition) plan for m4A"
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From the gate she wouldn’t have tanked like that. It *was* glaring that she didn’t have a plan for that one thing and p Butti shrewdly highlighted that at that debate.

Then when she did offer up a sensible and practical plan, the Bernie folks, who were looking for a reason to openly attack her, had something to pounce on when she wasn’t a m4a purist (ie speak about it in passionate rhetorical fashion but be vague on the details or down play how unrealistic its implementation is)

So she got squeezed in both directions. And her credibility was diminished in the eyes of some.

Man I would I have loved to see her shred trump like she did Bloomberg tho.

But Yeah, I’d like her to be a lion of the senate too, she really is a Credit to our country and party.

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147. "thanks for saying all this. "
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covers a lot of how i feel.

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159. "this was a great read."
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162. "Well said, Strav."
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172. "Beautifully said. "
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>
>At the same time, all the people expecting her to endorse
>Sanders are oversimplifying the dynamics, in my view.
>Progressivism comes in a lot of different flavors. Warren's
>progressivism has been guided by research. Sanders's
>progressivism has been guided by ideology. It's grated on me
>since 2016 just how glib and slapdash he is about the real
>justification for his positions. It's fucking dangerous if a
>powerful person puts their ideology ahead of real
>understanding and intellectual challenge, even if that
>ideology is just. In fact, especially if that ideology is
>just, because a just ideology, poorly understood and poorly
>implemented, is self defeating. I don't think she takes
>Sanders seriously, even when they agree.
>


And... holy shit at this. A perspective I hadn't considered but am totally aligned with.

  

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173. "dope read"
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i had to come back to it because i wasnt really in a state of mind to read it.

>Very different situation, but suddenly I'm thinking about Ted
>Kennedy, who just didn't get the right cards to bring a
>presidential run together but still found ways to be one of
>the most important politicians in the country. I hope her
>future is every bit as big as his was.
>
>Yeah there were unforced errors. I think much of the
>reputation she developed for "stunts" was undeserved, but that
>seemed like a part of the problem at the end.

i was late to warren in many ways. i heard her name but i didnt know much about her besides the whole native american thing. i didnt really know what to think about her when she announced she was running. as i said, she "irked" me. i didnt know why. as i learned more about her and read her plans, watched interviews of her i quickly realized she was exactly the type of person i wanted to run the country. i tend to do a lot of research and stay lukewarm until i am convinced on an option. then im pretty stubborn on it because i feel i have considered everything that i need to.

i feel like i showed that a lot with her. i would constantly speak up for her and try to make a case for her any chance i got. i wasnt blind to her missteps and tried to be upfront about anything that i thought wasnt a "good look". still, my support for her persisted.


knowing that she has been working on ways to make the change that she sees we need makes me feel better that she isnt getting the nomination because i know she will continue doing that work. she mentioned a bill she pushed through during trumps admin about over the counter hearing aids in a town hall. how she went to republicans to get their support on it and got it signed by trump. this wont affect everyone but she found a real problem and a way to help in a real way. thats what we need.

>
>Anti-intellectualism was a problem for her, but that's to be
>expected. Sexism creeps into all facets of how we judge female
>candidates. Most female national candidates have spent decades
>preparing an "I'm not like your preconceptions of female
>politicians" narrative (working as a prosecutor, a secretary
>of state, whatever). The way that Warren jumped into politics
>unexpectedly late in life, and entirely on the power of her
>own academic work, precluded some of the carefully planned
>image cultivation that we see from other female candidates. At
>her best, it helped her seem open, genuine in ways that we
>don't normally get to see from female national candidates and
>it's part of what powered her rise. But then there's the
>downside that every little thing got judged and blown out of
>proportion. Female national candidates tend to be very guarded
>for a reason.

as i said, i didnt know much about warren before last year. to be honest, until a few weeks back i assumed she had been in government for 30 plus years. that was one thing that wasnt adding up in my head. how is she so sharp and to the point but hasnt done more in 30 years??? then i realized shes only been involved for 10 years. that put her resume in a whole different light. she isnt someone that is polished in politics and just trying to satisfy their ego. she just wants to help people and that led her to this path.

i try not to discuss sexism because i feel things arent that black and white but theres no way around it. it does not make sense that she didnt have more support. i recognize that there is probably sexism in me and that i could do better. i tried to do a deep dive into most of the candidates last spring. hearing the paths that gillibrand, harris and warren went through is eye opening. women definitely have a lot more to overcome than i realized. im not sure how we move forward on this as a nation but i do think warren has been a big boost.

>
>I do really resent the fact that she fell from her frontrunner
>status because of Bernie Sanders's agenda. She was pushing
>M4A, green new deal, things that I didn't particularly like,
>but I respected the fact that she was honestly building
>bridges to Sanders supporters and trying to get us past this
>intraparty warfare and build something new and inclusive. But
>the fact that it was then treated like it was on her (solely)
>to explain how she'd pay for these things (when Bernie would
>get away with just bullshitting his way through the same
>questions, on the rare occasions that he even got them), and
>that THAT was what caused her decline at a time when she
>really was starting to look like not just the frontrunner but
>a way for the party to find its future --- that bothered me
>and I imagine it still bothers her. And then she got thanked
>for it by being called a snake.

this is where if she was more experienced in politics she would have recognized the game and had been more prepared for the optics. she was presented with a challenge (unfair as it was) and she said, you know what i can do it. ill show you how we do this without raising taxes on the middle class. that impressed me a lot but it obviously just served as more fuel against her. oh people want a public option and a choice??? she comes out with a real option that actual leads to medicare for all and again she suffers for it. that honestly perplexed me. the more i looked at her option the more i saw it was actually the best plan, even though it was designed as a transition it was something that could actually be implemented and have big benefits on the people that need it the most. im holding on to some hope that it gets implemented.

>
>All that said, counting by votes as opposed to delegates
>(which is not what officially matters, for a reason, but does
>say something about the mood of the party), she came in a very
>strong third place against two candidates with huge built-in
>advantages. That's a big deal, and it says a lot about how
>much she matters to the party.

this was bothering me too. how does she have 1.25m unique donors but so little delegates??? where are all the voters??? once i saw that she was actually pretty good when counting total votes it made me feel better. she deserves a lot of credit and praise for that.

>
>I'm guessing she won't endorse anybody. She has honest and
>unavoidable differences with Joe Biden. There's nothing she's
>cared about more than bankruptcy reform. And the senator from
>Delaware, the home state of all the credit card companies,
>would inevitably and justifiably be a bad guy to someone who
>cares about this as much as she does.
>
>At the same time, all the people expecting her to endorse
>Sanders are oversimplifying the dynamics, in my view.
>Progressivism comes in a lot of different flavors. Warren's
>progressivism has been guided by research. Sanders's
>progressivism has been guided by ideology. It's grated on me
>since 2016 just how glib and slapdash he is about the real
>justification for his positions. It's fucking dangerous if a
>powerful person puts their ideology ahead of real
>understanding and intellectual challenge, even if that
>ideology is just. In fact, especially if that ideology is
>just, because a just ideology, poorly understood and poorly
>implemented, is self defeating. I don't think she takes
>Sanders seriously, even when they agree.
>
>More simply, there just isn't a reason for her to endorse
>Sanders other than to burn down the party, which is not
>something she wants to do and not something that would serve
>the reform efforts she really cares about. I imagine she'd
>happily serve as Treasury secretary for either president, or
>probably a number of other cabinet positions. But for the time
>being it's probably more valuable (to the country at least)
>for her to hold that senate seat if there's an outside chance
>of us winning a brief Senate majority. A few years down the
>road when a Democratic governor would choose her replacement
>or a new election for her seat comes up, maybe then she'll
>find a new thing.

i dont know what she will do in regards to an endorsement and wont pretend to know what she should do. i hope that she endorses bernie but i wouldnt expect her to do it without him making some meaningful concessions to her.

>
>Or maybe she'll just be the most important Senator in the
>party for the foreseeable future. That ain't bad.
>
>She was my personal candidate from the start, even when I
>decided I wouldn't vote for her, it felt unfair. In a world
>with a more healthy political system, she'd be on the fast
>track to the presidency. But this isn't the end of Elizabeth
>Warren.

indeed.

  

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145. "hate how alot of ppl treat voting more as a form of personal expression "
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than the actual consequences of their vote

It's a really selfish, petulant way to look at the world

  

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153. "That's what I've been trying to say above. "
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The fact that 75% of voters can't be bothered to look past the end of their own noses is what dooms any truly progressive agenda from the start. It's the whole republican party plus like half the dems/progressives.

If just like 20% of those folks would take a look at the big picture we may actually be able to move forward more expeditiously as a species.

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156. "Isn't that a problem to solve?"
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Because it seems like a rather predictable outcome of a political discourse that has really isolated voting as the limit of our activity and agency in politics. Or, to put it another way, the sell here is "imagine how much worse things can get if you don't vote for our guy?"

That question can be true and right and good, but also intensely damaging to people's public participation in a process that has the capability to make people's lives better rather than just not worse. And if the only remedy that's offered is scolding people about their votes once every 2-4 years, it doesn't seem like a productive way to improve that.

To put it one more way: there are millions of eligible Americans who won't vote in November. Sanders' strategy of reaching them and bringing them to the poll may have failed, but it also seems like an extremely high-upside play to whoever can pull it off. Like *really* pull it off, because we have more people than they do.

Do you think that the current way we talk about not voting is helping that happen?

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161. "Being an adult is hard. You don't always get your way. Sometimes..."
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you have to make tough choices. People need to grow the fuck up. This shit is bigger than who lives in a fucking house. Its about SCOTUS and other appointments which have effects and ramifications long after all these people we are talking about now are dead.

  

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169. "you can do way more than just vote. jesus christ."
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voting is important but its not a panacea or a direct line. sometimes you gotta take it upon yourself to do a little bit extra within your own power but most of the time the vote opens the door so that the change can be made down the road.

  

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171. "probably depends on where you're coming from"
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because I could empathize more easily with someone who lives in a trailer park, or a fucked up area, or a district where manufacturing dried up that if they were for Bernie, and he's not the guy saying fuck it, or just not voting in general because they feel Dems ain't looking out for them any more than Republicans. I still don't entirely agree but I get it.

but i mostly hear this Bernie or bust bullshit from college educated middle/upper middle class types who know better that voting for the imperfect to a flat out agreeably lesser evil candidate still has severe consequences for tens of thousands to millions of people (especially vs trump) and still want to reside up their own ass and pontificate and sulk because they didn't get their way.

as far as what's to be done. I dunno. Maybe better parenting.

  

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179. "*failed in the democratic primaries* "
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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149. "RE: Are you going to vote regardless of the candidate "
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/Liberty-Party
Liberty Party, U.S. political party (1840–48) created by abolitionists who believed in political action to further antislavery goals. In opposition to William Lloyd Garrison and his followers (who scorned political activity as both futile and sinful in the battle to end slavery), a group of abolitionists met in Warsaw, New York, to organize the Liberty Party. They nominated James G. Birney, a Kentuckian and former slaveholder, for president. The party’s first national convention took place at Albany, New York, on April 1, 1840, when Birney’s nomination was confirmed.

Liberty Party supporters realized that the abolition of slavery in the South would not occur through political action. But they hoped to dramatize the antislavery issue, pressure legislators into taking firmer antislavery positions, prevent slavery from extending beyond the states where it existed into the federal territories, and eradicate both the interstate slave trade and the institution itself within the boundaries of the nation’s capital.

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Although the Liberty Party collected only 7,000 votes in 1840, it raised that total to 62,000 in 1844 (when Birney was again its candidate), probably denying the state of New York—and with it the presidency—to Henry Clay. In January 1848 the party nominated John P. Hale at its convention in New York City. Hale withdrew from the race, and the Liberty Party dissolved when many of its members joined “Barnburner” Democrats and “Conscience” Whigs in forming the Free-Soil Party (August 9, 1848).

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American history that opposed the extension of slavery into the western territories. Fearful of expanding slave power within the national government, Representative David Wilmot of Pennsylvania in 1846 introduced into Congress his famous Wilmot Proviso, calling for the prohibition of slavery in the vast southwestern lands that had been newly acquired from Mexico. The Wilmot concept, which failed in Congress, was a direct ideological antecedent to the Free-Soil Party. Disappointed by the ambivalent position of the Whig Party toward slavery, “Conscience” Whigs held a convention in August 1848 at Buffalo, N.Y. There they were joined by delegates from 17 states drawn from the Liberty Party and the antislavery faction of the New York Democrats, known as “Barnburners.”. The Free-Soilers’ historic slogan calling for “free soil, free speech, free labor, and free men” attracted small farmers, debtors, village merchants, and household and mill workers, who resented the prospect of black-labour competition—whether slave or free—in the territories.
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158. "what would MLK do if he was me in 2020? "
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take a message

  

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160. "Joe Biden Ignores Black People's Pleas for a Fair Democracy"
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?161423-1/electoral-college-ballot-count
Fun to watch this session led by pedophile Dennis Hastert

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164. "this is not the time to try to “change the process” by voting 3rd pa..."
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Sounding like some damn idealistic college kids in here. But whatever. In another election where it really doesn’t matter, fine.

This isn’t the time for that. Trump needs to be gone, and that’s gotta be the only priority. Stay focused.

  

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168. "That privilege tho... "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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170. "Obama wouldn't have even gotten the nom in this climate."
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175. "RE: this is not the time to try to “change the process” by voting 3r..."
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We said this in 2016, when most of us had the foresight to know what was coming. Doesn't seem like they listened.

>Sounding like some damn idealistic college kids in here. But
>whatever. In another election where it really doesn’t
>matter, fine.
>
>This isn’t the time for that. Trump needs to be gone, and
>that’s gotta be the only priority. Stay focused.

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177. "trust the process"
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or "do a 180"

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180. "Get Trump out"
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That’s the only priority at this point. He’s that bad.

  

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181. "one, he's not on the ballot in the democratic primary"
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two, you should be looking at the senate if you want him out. He has already rigged the presidential election once and he's doing it again.

three, trump is the symptom not the disease.

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182. "Cool. He’s gotta go though "
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All democrats need to show common sense and unity and vote for the person with the best chance of beating him come Election Day.

  

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165. "RE: ANow That It's Bernie v Biden? "
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Yes.

Bloomberg can eat a dick.

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178. "i live in a blue state"
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so i will vote green party if it comes to that...

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If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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