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"Poll question: The 2020 Democratic Primary"


          

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Poll result (74 votes)
Joe Biden (34 votes)Vote
Bernie Sanders (39 votes)Vote
Contested Convention because 1968 was so much fun (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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i dont think we will get a contested convention.
Mar 03rd 2020
1
lol
Mar 03rd 2020
5
are you of the opinion that the plurality leader should get the nom?
Mar 03rd 2020
12
      yup. i was in 2016 too (when i voted for bernie).
Mar 03rd 2020
13
           I think it's the correct position to take
Mar 03rd 2020
14
                yeah i dont see how you could ever overturn the plurality
Mar 03rd 2020
22
man, I'm having a hard time accepting Warren's fade
Mar 03rd 2020
2
that's my line of thinking only it's because
Mar 03rd 2020
3
What if that doesn't happen?
Mar 03rd 2020
4
      A lot of people don’t want to make that type of sacrifice
Mar 03rd 2020
8
      This is where I am.
Mar 03rd 2020
18
      People on here who were clowning Joe are now rooting for him
Mar 03rd 2020
27
           It's crazy how the narrative flipped so quick
Mar 03rd 2020
37
      I can't see any scenario where Biden beats Trump
Mar 03rd 2020
30
           ive said if biden or bernie are the nominee then dems prolly lose.
Mar 03rd 2020
51
                Which former or current candidate(s) do you think would beat Trump?
Mar 03rd 2020
67
                     fam i have no idea.
Mar 03rd 2020
74
                          Agreed, unfortunately.
Mar 03rd 2020
78
                               if i thought an agenda could be punched through id want it to be bernies...
Mar 03rd 2020
109
Obama flexing his muscle behind the scenes in the last 48
Mar 03rd 2020
6
I don't know if I buy all the vague reporting on that
Mar 03rd 2020
9
      I buy it. Biden is in position to severely cut into the delegate
Mar 03rd 2020
11
      Running for the nomination is very expensive
Mar 03rd 2020
36
           An Obama endorsement will have maximal power if it's
Mar 03rd 2020
40
      yeah they keep tryna drum up palace intrigue with no drama obama.
Mar 03rd 2020
17
I'm just imagining Trump making Biden look feeble and weak...
Mar 03rd 2020
7
Biden's message is "let's go home again".
Mar 03rd 2020
10
"Let's go back in time" is not a good look/message for Dems
Mar 03rd 2020
16
RE: I'm just imagining Trump making Biden look feeble and weak...
Mar 03rd 2020
29
i think theres a good chance trump skips out on debates.
Mar 03rd 2020
117
oh I like this. Sanders baiting Biden into a in-depth discussion of poli...
Mar 03rd 2020
15
the disrespect to the woman still fighting in this race
Mar 03rd 2020
19
lol
Mar 03rd 2020
20
I have a question, why did sanders not run for pres before 16?
Mar 03rd 2020
21
Socialism has really negative conotations here in the US.
Mar 03rd 2020
24
so Just a career politician politicking when he uses that term right
Mar 03rd 2020
38
RE: I have a question, why did sanders not run for pres before 16?
Mar 03rd 2020
25
Also he's not a socialist, Burlington business thrived under him
Mar 03rd 2020
28
if youre explaining youre losing.
Mar 03rd 2020
32
      Nah people have to explain the difference as much as possible
Mar 03rd 2020
48
           And it's working
Mar 03rd 2020
64
           It's hilarious when Americans point out other nation's propaganda
Mar 03rd 2020
73
           no i mean if you *have* to explain then you are losing the issue.
Mar 03rd 2020
70
                if that's the case I think Bernie's bite sized 'evil corporation'
Mar 03rd 2020
79
Democratic Socialism and Socialism are not the same things at all
Mar 03rd 2020
31
oh ok. Well on the other question, which is see no one answering
Mar 03rd 2020
39
      I was wondering this myself. I also wonder why
Mar 03rd 2020
42
      Sanders (and Warren incidentally) have been very critical
Mar 03rd 2020
43
Nvm, misread your post.
Mar 03rd 2020
33
He considered primarying Obama in 2012. And Democratic
Mar 03rd 2020
41
maybe he didn't need to. maybe he saw 2016's lot as a sham
Mar 03rd 2020
91
was post SC more NWO or DN-Cnappening?
Mar 03rd 2020
23
didn't realize we had so many maga heads on here, smh..
Mar 03rd 2020
26
Biden but he’s gonna have to get with it on interviews and speeches
Mar 03rd 2020
34
Whoa. You Biden folks, which of his policies resonate with you?
Mar 03rd 2020
35
OKP is an aging population lol
Mar 03rd 2020
44
Literally no one agreed with me when I said Biden would get the nom
Mar 03rd 2020
45
So... you think it's that they hate the Bros that badly, huh
Mar 03rd 2020
49
      are you saying that people who think Biden has a better
Mar 03rd 2020
53
      It's a lot much but it's also a lot true
Mar 03rd 2020
60
           so anyone who doesn't vote for your candidate is a coward
Mar 03rd 2020
66
                jesus man
Mar 03rd 2020
75
      I think they blame the Bros for Warren tanking.
Mar 03rd 2020
62
is this an indication that warren supporters would switch to biden?
Mar 03rd 2020
46
for the 1,000th time: some people consider who can win the general
Mar 03rd 2020
47
      sorry it took this long but are you okay?
Mar 03rd 2020
50
      it was man
Mar 03rd 2020
84
      you know whats really 'low information'?
Mar 03rd 2020
55
      What's Joe Biden going to tell people who need those things?
Mar 03rd 2020
58
      leave a lot of people behind in the name of realism?
Mar 03rd 2020
113
      They're both going to fail. One is already a fucking vegetable.
Mar 03rd 2020
61
      ><
Mar 03rd 2020
76
      agreed but it's also why I find the red scare panic over Bernie so extra...
Mar 03rd 2020
80
      i see more and more republicans starting to come to this conclusion.
Mar 03rd 2020
110
      that can't be it, Reeq
Mar 03rd 2020
86
      fam i honestly wonder what type of mild psychosis it is
Mar 03rd 2020
112
      how much are you being paid for this tripe
Mar 03rd 2020
96
           are you saying you will stay home if Biden is nominated?
Mar 03rd 2020
107
           2016 all over again because people dont bow to their savior.
Mar 03rd 2020
111
           someone thinks differently than me! they must be getting paid off!
Mar 03rd 2020
108
      lol you good?
Mar 03rd 2020
56
           hahaha! are you?
Mar 03rd 2020
82
                lol you're all over the place, per usual.
Mar 03rd 2020
88
                     Everything he wrote in reply 82 is true, not trying dogpile you here but...
Mar 03rd 2020
90
His platform is the same as Bernie' he just doesn't use the word Free
Mar 03rd 2020
77
LMAO!
Mar 03rd 2020
81
Haha
Mar 03rd 2020
83
No the fuck it's not.
Mar 03rd 2020
87
Lol god help us
Mar 03rd 2020
101
Just go to his website.
Mar 03rd 2020
116
      compare with sanders' policies on his site - https://berniesanders.com/i...
Mar 08th 2020
381
lol i love this. joe biden: bernie with a price tag.
Mar 03rd 2020
114
Im #teamwarren and will vote biden if she's out
Mar 03rd 2020
85
policies?
Mar 03rd 2020
92
Tha fuck? WARREN IS STILL IN THE RACE
Mar 03rd 2020
52
She' staying in to prevent her voters from going to Bernie.
Mar 03rd 2020
54
Liz is playing the brokered convention long-ball game
Mar 03rd 2020
59
Super Tuesday is not over yet
Mar 03rd 2020
57
Well I’m glad she will get your vote
Mar 03rd 2020
63
I love Elizabeth Warren. I do.
Mar 03rd 2020
65
RE: I love Elizabeth Warren. I do.
Mar 03rd 2020
68
Agreed.
Mar 03rd 2020
69
I actually voted early for Warren, even though I prefer Sanders
Mar 03rd 2020
89
      While true...
Mar 03rd 2020
98
      Which is exactly the scenario I didn't want
Mar 03rd 2020
100
      Exactly.
Mar 03rd 2020
102
      Huh? You didn’t vote for the one you prefer?
Mar 03rd 2020
99
           I liked the idea of two progressive voices in these primaries
Mar 03rd 2020
105
Old guards in droves coming out to support Biden
Mar 03rd 2020
71
You besmirching the good name of the FBI?
Mar 03rd 2020
72
if I'm judging just by my polling place Bernie will win Ca
Mar 03rd 2020
93
LOL. I watched the exact same scenario played out on Saturday....
Mar 03rd 2020
94
idiots
Mar 03rd 2020
95
lmao
Mar 03rd 2020
97
He didn't even have to register as a Democrat.
Mar 03rd 2020
103
      it might have been what the guy was trying to tell him.
Mar 03rd 2020
106
Bidenbros:
Mar 03rd 2020
104
I still think the best call was for neither to run
Mar 03rd 2020
115
i agree
Mar 03rd 2020
118
Candidates as QBs:
Mar 04th 2020
123
Welp. Joey Biden is your 2020 Democratic Nominee*
Mar 03rd 2020
119
looks like the okp poll reflected a lot of the tide change
Mar 03rd 2020
120
yup. I think many assumed Democrats were more Progressive
Mar 03rd 2020
121
2018 continues to go overlooked by some people.
Mar 03rd 2020
122
RE: looks like the okp poll reflected a lot of the tide change
Mar 04th 2020
135
      you sound bitter my brother. i understand emotions are still raw tho.
Mar 04th 2020
143
4 more years of Trump!
Mar 04th 2020
124
      You already know
Mar 04th 2020
125
      Not sure about this
Mar 04th 2020
126
      it will be a bloodbath.
Mar 04th 2020
129
      are you going to help Trump by staying home?
Mar 04th 2020
131
      doc. why do you think that?
Mar 04th 2020
132
           a few reasons
Mar 04th 2020
134
                bear with me in my ignorance, doc...
Mar 04th 2020
138
                All facts.
Mar 04th 2020
142
My take aways from Super Tuesday:
Mar 04th 2020
127
yep, yep and more yep
Mar 06th 2020
287
Bloomberg out; endorses Biden
Mar 04th 2020
128
and Warren is the screaming woman in the background.
Mar 04th 2020
133
Saw this in a tweet and believe 100% it will happen:
Mar 04th 2020
130
saw that too but I wonder if the Christians
Mar 04th 2020
144
Elizabeth Warren, if there is a white jesus above, endorse Bernie now
Mar 04th 2020
136
why should she? And now all the sudden ppl want her to help him
Mar 04th 2020
137
Wow. My mistake.
Mar 04th 2020
139
RE: Wow. My mistake.
Mar 04th 2020
141
shit. was Hillary right?
Mar 04th 2020
145
      About the Democratic party power brokers disliking Bernie?
Mar 04th 2020
151
Oh it was you specifically. Well she don’t owe u or Bernie a thing
Mar 04th 2020
147
      she hasn't earned the right to endorse him
Mar 04th 2020
158
treated her like shit even when she was completely cordial.
Mar 04th 2020
140
      "smile, beautiful... fuck you then, stuck up bitch!"
Mar 04th 2020
146
           This is so weird
Mar 04th 2020
148
           Lol falafel went from "I hope she endorses Bernie"
Mar 04th 2020
150
           !!!! Right and nobody is talking exclusively about Okp. Warren nor
Mar 04th 2020
153
           I'm not buying that hedge
Mar 04th 2020
156
                ok I hope you feel better soon. Sorry I offended you.
Mar 04th 2020
161
           It could have been separate
Mar 04th 2020
154
                not sure but someone is in here getting fake offended
Mar 04th 2020
155
                     No, I'm actually offended
Mar 04th 2020
157
                          It's just a joke about toxic male attention in the streets
Mar 04th 2020
164
                          I'm saying lol. I wasn't even trying to go there
Mar 04th 2020
166
                          I'm sorry your skin is this thin, man
Mar 04th 2020
165
                               Fair enough, my fault
Mar 04th 2020
169
                                    *daps*
Mar 04th 2020
171
           Precisely:
Mar 04th 2020
152
           i honestly couldnt tell if dude was being satirical or not.
Mar 04th 2020
163
The Bernie Bro-ism of this exchange.
Mar 04th 2020
149
^^^
Mar 04th 2020
159
crine
Mar 04th 2020
160
brilliant.
Mar 04th 2020
162
Lol
Mar 04th 2020
167
i feel like that initial fuck you is a bit overstated
Mar 06th 2020
296
Ain’t no white Jesus above bruh
Mar 04th 2020
168
Last night really felt like 2016 to me.
Mar 04th 2020
170
Obama's pimp juice is the only thing that will get folks in the south...
Mar 04th 2020
172
      If you ain’t Black.. you better be established
Mar 04th 2020
176
           not only did a bunch of bernie acolytes lose in downballot primaries
Mar 05th 2020
183
           but thats low-informative to say that
Mar 05th 2020
186
           before Obama, Kennedy was the last Democrat not from the south...
Mar 05th 2020
211
steve bullock is about to run for senate in mt!
Mar 04th 2020
173
yessss I really like Steve bullock. He puts me in the mind of sherrod
Mar 04th 2020
174
my conclusion: unless you support bernie... you are not progressive
Mar 04th 2020
175
This is almost word for word my stance. And I support
Mar 04th 2020
178
i agree, my only issue
Mar 06th 2020
291
The opo research on Biden gonna be a fucking novel
Mar 04th 2020
177
Why don’t y’all just early vote for trump and stop crying lol
Mar 04th 2020
179
RE: Why don’t y’all just early vote for trump and stop crying lol
Mar 05th 2020
185
you say that like they wouldnt run Cuba clips of Bernie
Mar 05th 2020
189
      i mean...it already happened and we see the result.
Mar 05th 2020
190
      Exactly, you've seen all of the opo research on Bern
Mar 05th 2020
191
           with the majority of voters it certainly does man
Mar 07th 2020
354
some numbers
Mar 04th 2020
180
Tulsi killin it
Mar 04th 2020
181
for some reason that 1 lonely delegate looks worse than just having 0.
Mar 05th 2020
184
Gotta hit 15% or it doesn’t count
Mar 05th 2020
187
      yeah, that explains why the delegate count is so different
Mar 05th 2020
192
..
Mar 05th 2020
182
michigan governor gretchen whitmer just endorsed biden
Mar 05th 2020
188
Warren out
Mar 05th 2020
193
damn
Mar 05th 2020
195
its gonna be fucked up when she endorses biden lol.
Mar 05th 2020
196
      if he picks her as VP i would be happy
Mar 05th 2020
197
           I'd love for her to have a cabinet role in the next administration
Mar 05th 2020
198
                i would too if mass didnt have a repub gov who fills her seat.
Mar 05th 2020
203
                     Damn. I didn't think of that.
Mar 05th 2020
209
                     .
Mar 05th 2020
                     yeah, i think staying in the senate would be the smartest choice
Mar 05th 2020
210
                     can she cut a deal for majority leader?
Mar 05th 2020
220
                     i dont think id want her as majority leader.
Mar 05th 2020
233
                     i saw some breakdown on twitter about how warren (or sanders)
Mar 05th 2020
235
She did her job as spoiler on Tuesday, Mission Accomplished!
Mar 05th 2020
213
      Lol y’all need some healing
Mar 05th 2020
215
      Warren stopped Bernie from turning out the youth as promised
Mar 05th 2020
218
      if it wasn't for math, black voters, older voters, southern states
Mar 05th 2020
217
      RE: if it wasn't for math, black voters, older voters, southern states
Mar 05th 2020
224
      holy shit dude you're unwell...it really was Not Us Him, huh?
Mar 05th 2020
226
      ooop! U know half of them couldn’t resist the primal urge to cut an
Mar 05th 2020
227
      fam cmon.
Mar 05th 2020
223
biden won white working class voters.
Mar 05th 2020
194
here’s your data you bastards!!! Get all the way in
Mar 05th 2020
199
RE: biden won white working class voters.
Mar 05th 2020
200
If Biden is smart he will do this
Mar 05th 2020
201
If we get a public option, some debt relief, Bernie can get the credit.
Mar 05th 2020
202
Amtrak Joe!!
Mar 05th 2020
205
Warren drops out.
Mar 05th 2020
Sucks. But I certainly understand why she did it
Mar 05th 2020
207
Sorry. Double post
Mar 05th 2020
204
Warren is in a pickle.
Mar 05th 2020
206
Option 3
Mar 05th 2020
208
3rd option. and the attacks against her by bernie supporters
Mar 05th 2020
212
I'll be pretty surprised I'd she endorses Bernie
Mar 05th 2020
216
I don’t think she’s gonna endorse either of them.
Mar 05th 2020
229
Got a new option. She cuts a deal with Biden and endorses Bernie.
Mar 05th 2020
240
if she does endorse i think it would make sense to do sun or mon
Mar 05th 2020
247
btw bernie folks should prolly stop clowning hillary clinton.
Mar 05th 2020
214
Bernie will go down in the history books as a champion
Mar 05th 2020
230
      you realize this position comes with no negotiating power
Mar 05th 2020
231
      i dont wanna minimize what bernie has done.
Mar 05th 2020
234
           RE: i dont wanna minimize what bernie has done.
Mar 06th 2020
298
                this is based on what?
Mar 06th 2020
341
248 delegates at stake in florida. bernie might not get 1 of them.
Mar 05th 2020
219
As much as I like Sanders, I hope he gets blown out in the next few cont...
Mar 05th 2020
221
thatd be best for the party long term imo.
Mar 05th 2020
222
Yeah the sooner we can unify* And pivot to trump the better
Mar 05th 2020
228
yikes
Mar 05th 2020
225
part solemn statement part humble brag by pelosi.
Mar 05th 2020
232
Pelosi is just so damn shrewd! I just love her, she may go down
Mar 05th 2020
236
      she def got big dick energy.
Mar 05th 2020
237
Question & observation from across the pond:
Mar 05th 2020
238
Hmm. Maybe I should've put in a few personal attacks or something.
Mar 07th 2020
352
RE: Question & observation from across the pond:
Mar 07th 2020
357
      Thanks for taking the time.
Mar 09th 2020
419
bernie cancels another black outreach event in the south.
Mar 05th 2020
239
^^^political. He knows he won’t win more than 20 % there, why waste
Mar 05th 2020
241
has bignick been back since south carolina?
Mar 05th 2020
244
Lolol! Haven’t seen hide nor hair of the aforementioned since SC
Mar 05th 2020
245
      oh he's around
Mar 05th 2020
252
           Lmao at him retweeting appeals to warren supporters. When he was
Mar 05th 2020
263
           lol @ at his tweet and your reply.
Mar 06th 2020
273
yep, he's being problematically pragmatic
Mar 06th 2020
300
It’s a waste of time to travel south. His best best is the rust belt
Mar 05th 2020
242
these black outreach events are about much more
Mar 05th 2020
246
      Hold them in states that are in play
Mar 05th 2020
248
           oh excuse me well since you never went there they dont matter.
Mar 05th 2020
250
                LOL!
Mar 05th 2020
253
                Lmao. In this primary race they don’t matter right now.
Mar 05th 2020
254
                     It will not help if Biden gets landslide victories in Bama and Mississip...
Mar 05th 2020
259
                     ever consider that black people see how other black people are treated?
Mar 06th 2020
275
smh
Mar 05th 2020
243
LOL damn.
Mar 05th 2020
270
biden leads bernie by 7 pts in new detroit news poll
Mar 05th 2020
249
Yang trying to get Bloomberg to back his NYC mayor run
Mar 05th 2020
251
i hope he runs.
Mar 06th 2020
276
Warren has the chance to be a Kingmaker and unite the Left
Mar 05th 2020
255
Still blaming Warren and trying to set it up so that you can blame her
Mar 05th 2020
256
reading comprehension isn't really your thing
Mar 05th 2020
257
      Stop crying and read carefully Warren is out of the race
Mar 05th 2020
264
           LOL
Mar 05th 2020
266
                You know it's bad when Chuck Todd makes a prediction
Mar 05th 2020
267
exactly. it's her responsibility to make sure bernie wins
Mar 05th 2020
258
if 40% prefer sanders as their second choice
Mar 05th 2020
260
RE: if 40% prefer sanders as their second choice
Mar 05th 2020
261
Wow you were just calling her desperate and crowing about her
Mar 05th 2020
262
lol so pressed.
Mar 05th 2020
265
You’ll always have tulsi. She doesn’t seem to be going anywhere
Mar 05th 2020
268
Noted that you failed to bring actual receipts, yet again.
Mar 06th 2020
288
      dude I upped the post last time u asked for receipts and u acted like
Mar 06th 2020
293
           lol yea you upped the post where I referenced actual polling data
Mar 06th 2020
320
                I upped it again for u, reply 183 and 189 in that warren/sanders
Mar 06th 2020
323
                     LOL thanks for outing yourself as a liar.
Mar 06th 2020
326
                          wow. So you “asked” me that for what purpose? I accept her reasoning...
Mar 06th 2020
327
                               I'm good love, enjoy.
Mar 06th 2020
328
                                    No u just act like u didn’t say anything, reply 161 in that same post ...
Mar 06th 2020
330
                                         So again - you fail to find a singular instance of name-calling
Mar 06th 2020
333
                                              reply 311 in that post is where u say she staged that “ambush”
Mar 06th 2020
335
                                                   lmao! so again, no name-calling whatsoever.
Mar 06th 2020
339
                                                        Where did I say you called her a name, I said you said she was
Mar 06th 2020
342
oh you're mr. examples guy now?
Mar 05th 2020
269
      lol
Mar 05th 2020
271
      lol a mess.
Mar 06th 2020
278
vex be killing me with his ‘the data shows...’ ass lol.
Mar 06th 2020
277
      hahaha! he's STILL cherry picking polls
Mar 06th 2020
297
           dude still arguing that bernie was more electable than clinton lol.
Mar 06th 2020
314
i'd prefer if she waits to endorse the *eventual* nominee
Mar 05th 2020
272
I think the most likely scenario is that she sits out
Mar 06th 2020
289
this is when it helps if your base isnt a bunch of entitled pricks.
Mar 06th 2020
274
^^^ YOU NAH TEEEEE (c)
Mar 06th 2020
279
^^^^ANG REE ^^^^PET EEE ^^^UN HAP EEE
Mar 06th 2020
280
lol damn I needed this
Mar 06th 2020
292
LOL 'the data shows'...47% prefer Biden
Mar 06th 2020
294
      Good - we've got some new data available now.
Mar 06th 2020
302
bernie partners with fox news for 2nd town hall in michigan.
Mar 06th 2020
281
Actually, I thought the 1st fox news townhall was a great moment
Mar 06th 2020
282
are there any states left that are clear wins for bernie?
Mar 06th 2020
283
Damn
Mar 06th 2020
286
538 now gives Biden an 87% chance of winning more than 50% of del.
Mar 06th 2020
284
They wrong
Mar 06th 2020
285
C'est fini
Mar 06th 2020
290
      U can’t even keep on message from hour to hour, weren’t u just
Mar 06th 2020
295
           it is unreal
Mar 06th 2020
299
           Warren can absolutely make a difference - you're not reading
Mar 06th 2020
301
                you seriously can't read
Mar 06th 2020
305
                The tears and bloodshot rage eyes are making the outlook blurry
Mar 06th 2020
307
                do you want him to be the nominee or not? Ur spiraling.
Mar 06th 2020
306
                     Me calling the primary for Biden isn't because that's what I want
Mar 06th 2020
310
                          you'll even argue yourself out of a W...take the weekend off man
Mar 06th 2020
319
playing pundit again biden's negatives will decrease voter turnout again...
Mar 06th 2020
303
holy shit biden up almost 20 pts over bernie in new national poll.
Mar 06th 2020
304
It ain’t over... but it’s almost over. Y’all Biden Bro’ing is hi...
Mar 06th 2020
308
finish chewing your food before you speak.
Mar 06th 2020
311
damn dude.. you are the definition of a soar winner.
Mar 06th 2020
321
      *sore
Mar 06th 2020
331
      "winner" TF did he win?
Mar 06th 2020
334
      lol.. maybe dude is on the Biden payroll
Mar 06th 2020
336
      youre making shit up again. its expected tho.
Mar 07th 2020
349
      aw cmon babybro. lighten up a lil.
Mar 06th 2020
346
these cats are relentless lol
Mar 06th 2020
312
Marie Scrhader endzone dancing is dangerous
Mar 06th 2020
313
nah man...some of us have been basically accused of
Mar 06th 2020
324
Just seeing a lot of people act like the thing they say they hate
Mar 06th 2020
337
^^^ . But that particular poster is an idiot, I don’t even reply to hi...
Mar 06th 2020
338
yes indeed.
Mar 07th 2020
351
that accusation shit they throw around is so dissrespecful
Mar 07th 2020
355
If it went the other way and Bernie did good on Super Tuesday
Mar 06th 2020
329
bernie switching focus to senior citizens.
Mar 06th 2020
309
Lol OmG. This is really sad
Mar 06th 2020
315
Damn it get's worse
Mar 06th 2020
317
this is an under-discussed point
Mar 06th 2020
322
      they got caught up in their own hype. Thinking the large rallies
Mar 06th 2020
325
      bros, Bros, BROS.. smh
Mar 06th 2020
332
      if you look at the people at the forefront of his campaign
Mar 06th 2020
347
           Who's at the forefront of Biden's campaign?
Mar 07th 2020
358
                black people. hit meh (c) james brown
Mar 07th 2020
360
                     Depends which ones you're talking about
Mar 07th 2020
361
                          'the data shows...' lol
Mar 07th 2020
362
                               Reeq data: "y'all people"
Mar 07th 2020
363
                                    please keep doing what youre doing.
Mar 07th 2020
365
bernie campaign co-chair nina turner criticizes candidates using obama
Mar 06th 2020
316
Damn damn damn Nina.
Mar 06th 2020
318
what she's saying is 100% accurate
Mar 06th 2020
343
damn i posted this in the wrong post lol. im getting old.
Mar 06th 2020
345
The tru winner of the primaries isn't Biden or Bernie.It's the internet:
Mar 06th 2020
340
Lmao yesssssss! The party is united, a broad base of diverse support
Mar 06th 2020
344
bernies victory margin in ca might end up being less than bidens in tx.
Mar 07th 2020
348
to be fair, those predictions were before everyone dropped out
Mar 09th 2020
394
sidenote: mulvaney out and mark meadows in.
Mar 07th 2020
350
goodness. The GOP career corpses trump has under his belt
Mar 07th 2020
353
Tulsi calls on Biden, Sanders to help put her on debate stage
Mar 07th 2020
356
Fuck her
Mar 07th 2020
359
lol pobrecita.
Mar 07th 2020
366
im wondering if there will even be a next debate
Mar 09th 2020
395
bernie makes his appeal to black voters in black ass flint michigan.
Mar 07th 2020
364
jesus theyre really bad at this:
Mar 08th 2020
368
i wonder why bernie nixed his original speech on race.
Mar 08th 2020
372
detroit is 80% black. teachers in detroit are 70% black.
Mar 08th 2020
384
      Lmaooooo. And double at the comments
Mar 09th 2020
391
           damn they deleted it lol.
Mar 09th 2020
393
stellar turnout in 2020.
Mar 07th 2020
367
tues might be bad (if bernie loses mi). the week after that is brutal.
Mar 08th 2020
369
Looks like Tuesday may not be that bad given the NW states
Mar 08th 2020
371
      biden is winning old, white, and moderate/conservative voters.
Mar 08th 2020
373
           So you saying based on the data it could be a wrap
Mar 08th 2020
375
                if he loses michigan he is done.
Mar 08th 2020
377
                     bernie needs to take wash, idaho and at minimum split michigan
Mar 09th 2020
397
                          have you seen the washington polls dropping the past few days?
Mar 09th 2020
400
                               i wont be surprised if he loses in every state tomorrow
Mar 09th 2020
406
Sassy lady lawyer (c) Sen. Kamala Harris endorses Biden
Mar 08th 2020
370
that vivica fox endorsement was mad random.
Mar 08th 2020
378
it really was
Mar 08th 2020
382
and booker too.
Mar 09th 2020
385
bernie still blaming his losses on the establishment lol
Mar 08th 2020
374
bernie stans mad lizzy went on snl instead of campaigning for bernie.
Mar 08th 2020
376
read the replies under aoc giving props to the snl segment.
Mar 08th 2020
379
How could anyone hate on that lizzy and Kate McKinnon.
Mar 08th 2020
383
      i hate that they didnt bring in liz before
Mar 09th 2020
398
meanwhile Bernie is monkey puppet meme right now
Mar 08th 2020
380
Jesse Jackson endorses Bernie
Mar 09th 2020
386
cats is more focused on bernie bros than bernie
Mar 09th 2020
387
I’m not on twitter enough to get the Bro hate
Mar 09th 2020
401
Exactly. The blind spots are so blatant it's hilarious.
Mar 09th 2020
449
this right here
Mar 09th 2020
481
brutal poll numbers for sanders this morning.
Mar 09th 2020
388
I may or may not follow suit.
Mar 09th 2020
389
      lol i might just silently laugh inside reading your replies.
Mar 09th 2020
390
Biden got this locked up, Bernie is gonna lose Michigan & race will be o...
Mar 09th 2020
392
aoc rising up to be the leader that bernie refused to be.
Mar 09th 2020
396
i really hope she keeps growing and becomes the future of the party
Mar 09th 2020
399
started off rocky but shes showing good political instincts now.
Mar 09th 2020
402
The more she grows the more she will be hated
Mar 09th 2020
403
      maybe
Mar 09th 2020
405
           shes going to grow... and the moderates will continues to push back
Mar 09th 2020
409
!!!
Mar 09th 2020
411
hoping a mod sends me a message on why they deleted my post
Mar 09th 2020
404
LOL seems to be a lot of this lately.
Mar 09th 2020
407
who know everyones political posting history.
Mar 09th 2020
408
right, I'm really a Russian bot
Mar 09th 2020
414
      hip hop's aging demographic, kind of like 60s boomers
Mar 09th 2020
416
      Well it's also a disingenuous way of describing the vibe around here, bu...
Mar 09th 2020
418
           yeah most of us are where the majority of the left is.
Mar 09th 2020
423
      I learned a lot about Biden I didn't know since then.
Mar 09th 2020
417
           you don't remember non-consensual kiss alleged by former politician
Mar 09th 2020
475
                Ah no I didn't remember that. So yea, gross.
Mar 09th 2020
482
You probably got deleted because of the Trump talking point link
Mar 09th 2020
420
      you're probably right
Mar 09th 2020
428
even rasmusson has biden beating trump.
Mar 09th 2020
410
Won’t believe it until it’s official.
Mar 09th 2020
412
https://media.giphy.com/media/Ou18ZgE49Fss0/giphy.gif
Mar 09th 2020
415
Writing is on the wall
Mar 09th 2020
421
We probably shouldn't be too gleeful about national polls right now, tho...
Mar 09th 2020
425
absentee ballots up almost double 2016 in michigan.
Mar 09th 2020
413
they made it a lot easier to register for than it was before
Mar 09th 2020
422
      yup those 2018 ballot initiatives.
Mar 09th 2020
434
wow, mfers really in here partying
Mar 09th 2020
424
Come on
Mar 09th 2020
426
nope just accused everyone they debated of being paid off.
Mar 09th 2020
427
      We all getting paid off
Mar 09th 2020
429
how is any of this different that what was posted about warren
Mar 09th 2020
435
the weird part is
Mar 09th 2020
436
      But it’s to type tho. They are consistently and singularly cited
Mar 09th 2020
439
           thats the kicker right there.
Mar 09th 2020
442
                and that’s exactly why he shouldn’t be doing that, becuz had
Mar 09th 2020
445
                     they wanna sit on social media all day and circulate misleading videos.
Mar 09th 2020
464
                          Lol I’m not talking about those idiots. I’m talking the AOCs, ro kha...
Mar 09th 2020
466
                               i know i just wanted to take another parting shot at them lol.
Mar 09th 2020
469
Fam it's amazing to observe.
Mar 09th 2020
438
this video of Biden inappropriately touching children is disturbing
Mar 09th 2020
430
1 min later...a post about Susan Sarandon
Mar 09th 2020
437
no need to defend victims when it doesn't suit your agenda
Mar 09th 2020
457
Cringe. This should have been released and promoted way before
Mar 09th 2020
473
remember when susan sarandon said trump winning
Mar 09th 2020
431
Bern created a ceiling for himself
Mar 09th 2020
432
lol its true
Mar 09th 2020
433
if bernie loses, then a question I'll always have
Mar 09th 2020
477
if the Bern revolution can't beat a creepy senile old man
Mar 09th 2020
440
Amazing how OKP has flipped on Bernie and progressive ideas
Mar 09th 2020
441
      if the Bern revolution can't win an okp poll against a creepy, senile ol...
Mar 09th 2020
443
      bernie isnt the sole vessel of progressive ideas.
Mar 09th 2020
444
      its so strange & disappointing to see folks claim that if you
Mar 09th 2020
446
      It’s one thing to criticize.. but these niggas celebrating
Mar 09th 2020
454
           that joe-mentum got the bernie brothers in a funk.
Mar 09th 2020
468
      RE: bernie isnt the sole vessel of progressive ideas.
Mar 09th 2020
448
           its over bro. you picked the weaker candidate (again).
Mar 09th 2020
456
                and you picked the candidate incapable of ushering progress, again.
Mar 09th 2020
459
                bitterness is not the move homeboy. you gotta pray that off.
Mar 09th 2020
462
                     LOL!
Mar 09th 2020
463
                     lol
Mar 09th 2020
467
                     Lol this has been an anti-BernBro circle jerk with y’all for days now
Mar 09th 2020
470
                The question was what progressive policies bro
Mar 09th 2020
471
      cmon man...
Mar 09th 2020
450
      defeating Dem Moderates is damn near impossible
Mar 09th 2020
455
           bernie raised and spent multiple times more money than biden.
Mar 09th 2020
458
           That part.
Mar 09th 2020
460
           I’m not talking about campaign money
Mar 09th 2020
480
           I'm not saying never. I'm asking how?
Mar 09th 2020
465
      "flipped on" idk about anyone else but I voted for dude
Mar 09th 2020
451
Yikes at the ravenous propaganda to prop up Staus Quo Joe
Mar 09th 2020
447
you said you're my. examples guy. go get examples boy
Mar 09th 2020
452
cool story, Napoleon.
Mar 09th 2020
453
      you have nothing.
Mar 09th 2020
474
The debate format for the 15th has been changed
Mar 09th 2020
461
Oh nah that’s just standard procedure
Mar 09th 2020
472
it's been changed to "story telling time with joe" vs a debate
Mar 09th 2020
476
You know that seated debates happen all the time, right?
Mar 09th 2020
478
      cmon, bernie cant stay seated
Mar 09th 2020
479
      It seems that everything is a conspiracy against the bros
Mar 09th 2020
483
focus on that broad coalition
Mar 10th 2020
488
      lol they got so cocky with that shit.
Mar 10th 2020
490
      ^^^
Mar 10th 2020
491
      yea that's deep
Mar 10th 2020
506
           My word, with all the support it’s a wonder Bernie isn’t running awa...
Mar 10th 2020
509
           And still losing. Must be the establishment
Mar 10th 2020
512
Bernie’s townhall on Faux News
Mar 10th 2020
484
shaun king and glenn greenwald have been in full blown meltdown mode
Mar 10th 2020
485
l voted for the war...to avoid going to war (c) Biden
Mar 10th 2020
486
Notice how they still are focused 100% on Sanders
Mar 10th 2020
492
Bruhhhhhh. That’s the part that’s so baffling. Let me bash Biden
Mar 10th 2020
493
      ^^^ didn’t know Creepy Uncle Joe was a creep
Mar 10th 2020
496
      I don’t blame Bernie for anything. He needs to be blaming his
Mar 10th 2020
498
      exact same behavior that made progressives stop fucking with them.
Mar 10th 2020
497
      btw these same folks say dems need to be more than just anti-trump
Mar 10th 2020
499
           ^^^ I haven’t seen a BB say a word about trump in months lol.
Mar 10th 2020
500
                they literally end up hating everything that aint pro-bernie
Mar 10th 2020
502
                     are they even pro Bernie at this point? Or just anti everything else
Mar 10th 2020
505
                          good point. hard to even tell nowadays.
Mar 10th 2020
511
i still cant believe biden is beating sanders on okp of all places.
Mar 10th 2020
487
or was it Jamie Dimon and Bloomberg being considered for
Mar 10th 2020
489
If you knew anything about the demo data, you wouldn't be surprised
Mar 10th 2020
507
A "true progressive" will not be a democrat
Mar 10th 2020
510
if my twitter timeline is any indicator...black women bout to SHOW OUT
Mar 10th 2020
494
4 replies in 30 minutes
Mar 10th 2020
495
      ^^^lol at this dumbass posting as many replies
Mar 10th 2020
501
      shouldn't a strong turnout be a good thing for Bern?
Mar 10th 2020
503
its funny how both Biden and Sanders are using Obama in their ads.
Mar 10th 2020
504
My first ad woulda had Obama on a green screen
Mar 10th 2020
508
Bernie lost fuckin Maine?
Mar 10th 2020
513
only because Warren went on SNL
Mar 10th 2020
514
      the tweets tonight are going to be insufferable
Mar 10th 2020
515
COVAD-19 makes a public option a no-brainer for the party platform right...
Mar 19th 2020
516
UPDATE: I have now amended my position:
Mar 23rd 2020
517
Damn WTF
Mar 23rd 2020
518
they're coons.
Apr 08th 2020
611
you started off kinda sane then did a u-turn back into dumdumleftville.
Mar 23rd 2020
519
who is anywhere dancing in the street over a bernie loss?
Mar 24th 2020
520
Question: Can we bully his low-level staff too?
Mar 24th 2020
521
Fam I don't think Biden is going to need much help
Mar 24th 2020
522
you never stop with the conspiracy theories huh?
Mar 24th 2020
523
      I actually have asked you that - given your RussiaGate hysteria
Mar 25th 2020
524
           the last 2 elections really broke yalls brain man.
Mar 25th 2020
525
                Both of y’all need to STFU
Mar 25th 2020
526
                     Oh god don't be that guy.
Mar 25th 2020
527
                     notice its only fans of one specific candidate that do it.
Mar 25th 2020
529
                     I don’t think it’s possible for these 2 to discuss anything else
Mar 28th 2020
535
                     do you grab a seat when you chew gum?
Mar 25th 2020
528
                          Do you have any one liners that are actually funny?
Mar 28th 2020
534
You still sound like an idiot. You need a publicist
Mar 27th 2020
531
even his campaign advisers knew: https://twitter.com/SashaBeaulu/status/...
Mar 27th 2020
530
biden's campaign has a single goal
Mar 27th 2020
532
.....
Mar 27th 2020
533
Status Quo Joe still a NO on single payer
Mar 31st 2020
536
Single-Payer financing isn't the only way to achieve "coverage for all"
Mar 31st 2020
537
not sure if it’s better or worse in those places
Mar 31st 2020
539
I feel you. And tbh, I'm not sure. Personally, I think at minimum
Mar 31st 2020
541
What are you arguing FOR?
Mar 31st 2020
543
      Man, I've been almost too clear about where I stand in this debate lol
Mar 31st 2020
544
           So you just want to argue...2s
Apr 01st 2020
545
But people LOVE their insurance!!!!
Mar 31st 2020
538
      Some of the healthcare reform plans proposed this cycle would have
Mar 31st 2020
540
Biden (and Schumer and Pelosi) hold line on genocide in Iran
Mar 31st 2020
542
the bernard brethren are turning on my boo aoc.
Apr 01st 2020
546
btw these brogressives have felt aoc was getting too uppity
Apr 01st 2020
547
Do they realize the guys who talk about they were hip to a band 4 albums
Apr 01st 2020
548
      she is.
Apr 01st 2020
549
That article literally has nothing to do with Bern
Apr 01st 2020
551
nice to see that your obsession continues.
Apr 01st 2020
552
the pandemic aint stop the dnc from cutting me them checks. ;)
Apr 01st 2020
553
cenk And faiz. Everyone’s go to choices for campaign managers
Apr 06th 2020
567
Biden is trying to get stared to implement online voting in November.
Apr 01st 2020
550
Interesting twitter thread on Dem v. Repub financial situations so far:
Apr 01st 2020
554
joe rogan: id rather vote for trump than biden
Apr 04th 2020
555
Joe, even tho influential, is mostly a peek into an avg. White working c...
Apr 05th 2020
556
Wait a min what ? Rogan's interest and views square up with Black guys
Apr 05th 2020
557
Black dudes who follow Rogan?
Apr 05th 2020
558
      Every vote counts i get that but.
Apr 05th 2020
560
      Nah.. fuck the extremist who lie like Rogan
Apr 05th 2020
562
      But.. Biden won the White working class vote
Apr 06th 2020
566
           It’s not exactly the same but it’s the main reason I thought Joe
Apr 07th 2020
576
                yeah way too much is given to Rogan
Apr 08th 2020
602
The notion of a Trump second term clearly has been more palatable
Apr 05th 2020
559
fam only one group of people on the left threatens not to vote.
Apr 05th 2020
561
the irony of you calling people "spoiled" on here is hilarious
Apr 05th 2020
564
wait am i partying or crying?
Apr 07th 2020
587
      I look forward to you blaming the powerless (again) for another L
Apr 08th 2020
605
           are you voting for biden in the general against trump?
Apr 08th 2020
619
So...you’re saying a 3rd of the left won’t vote for Biden
Apr 06th 2020
568
      Why are you framing the primary like it was a back room deal?
Apr 07th 2020
591
           plus the notion of bernie bringing out new voters already fell flat.
Apr 07th 2020
592
           so you're saying Biden would've won w/ out the party support
Apr 08th 2020
629
Another idea is for these children to fall the fuck in line
Apr 06th 2020
565
Keep getting your insights from CNN bruh
Apr 07th 2020
570
i'm an NYT guy
Apr 08th 2020
599
      *a* NYT guy
Apr 08th 2020
604
bernie ran the *exact* campaign these dudes wanted.
Apr 07th 2020
583
      btw next time bernie stans clown 'safe' candidates like john kerry
Apr 07th 2020
584
maybe the movement should have courted say... Clyburn
Apr 07th 2020
575
      *maybe* they should have done a lil more black outreach than this:
Apr 07th 2020
580
brother its not my job to pamper entitled adult crybabies.
Apr 05th 2020
563
and coons were out here talking about 'we told you about him'
Apr 06th 2020
569
doc do you even try to make sense anymore? serious question.
Apr 07th 2020
578
      tell me how the boot tastes, nigga
Apr 08th 2020
609
           so thats a no lol.
Apr 08th 2020
616
even dumb ass Rogan knows how bad a candidate Biden is...
Apr 07th 2020
572
no the bigger question is why does bernie keeps losing
Apr 07th 2020
577
      so Biden is the better candidate to you? Yes or No
Apr 07th 2020
579
           our *opinion* doesnt matter. people voted. they chose biden.
Apr 07th 2020
581
                Again.. Is Biden is the better candidate to you? Yes or No
Apr 07th 2020
582
                     this is why yall lost.
Apr 07th 2020
586
                          lol
Apr 07th 2020
589
                          LOL
Apr 08th 2020
601
i mean he thinks Tulsi is the one to lead us through Covid
Apr 07th 2020
590
      wait he really said that about tulsi?
Apr 08th 2020
618
           I got a friend who's still like this.
Apr 08th 2020
621
           im pretty sure the media is ready to help push that narrative.
Apr 08th 2020
623
                Foooor sure. It's gross.
Apr 08th 2020
626
                     makes me despise people like Marco Rubio even more than Trump
Apr 08th 2020
628
           yup. it was him and I think Eric Weinstein
Apr 08th 2020
624
Wisconsin to hold primary today
Apr 07th 2020
571
their SC should be brought up on attempted murder chargers...
Apr 07th 2020
573
really dumb
Apr 07th 2020
574
heres a great post mortem of the collapse of the bernie campaign.
Apr 07th 2020
585
jesus christ. this is the typa shit you expect to see from trump fans.
Apr 07th 2020
588
social media fatigue can cause anxiety and depression
Apr 08th 2020
593
      yall have completely stopped responding to Reeq LOL
Apr 08th 2020
594
           umm...nobody replied to his last 2 posts
Apr 08th 2020
595
                uh you reply to me all the time in this post (while i ignore you).
Apr 08th 2020
597
                and somehow, I can still find compassion for your mental health
Apr 08th 2020
598
                Hahaha
Apr 08th 2020
603
                Your Beto comment is just so.... typical of yall
Apr 08th 2020
600
black ppl are dying and the DNC dont want to be bothered
Apr 08th 2020
596
Bernie out.
Apr 08th 2020
606
Bernie is still in...
Apr 08th 2020
608
just here for the meltdowns
Apr 08th 2020
607
good luck beating Donald Trump, niggas!
Apr 08th 2020
610
childish.
Apr 08th 2020
615
and you mad, because you know you all will need it.
Apr 08th 2020
620
      grow up.
Apr 08th 2020
622
Now we vote for the lesser of two rapists.
Apr 08th 2020
617
Respect to Bernie
Apr 08th 2020
612
^^^ Yeah I'd still vote for him.
Apr 08th 2020
613
if he stayed in just to increase turnout in wisconsin
Apr 08th 2020
614
Yep.
Apr 08th 2020
625
Yep.
Apr 08th 2020
627
Biden’s virtual town hall
Apr 08th 2020
630
10 minutes of slurred speech and confusion....
Apr 09th 2020
631
      congrats on making it the whole way through
Apr 09th 2020
632
      You can get a good look at your other option everyday around 5pm ET
Apr 09th 2020
633
           More deflections from the Biden Bros
Apr 09th 2020
634
                I'm a Trump's opponent bro
Apr 09th 2020
635
                     +1, anyone talking about needing more data IRT the disparities
Apr 09th 2020
636
                          You want Trump's RBG replacement or Biden's?
Apr 09th 2020
637
                               Want? Neither.
Apr 10th 2020
639
                                    So....still weighing your options?
Apr 10th 2020
641
                                         One of them is going to happen...without my support
Apr 10th 2020
643
                                         Cutting off his nose to spite his face.
Apr 10th 2020
647
                                              Freedom to vote how I choose...is spite...?
Apr 10th 2020
648
                                              In the dire situation we're in, yep - spite.
Apr 10th 2020
650
                                              I just don't think you're engaging in a good faith discussion
Apr 10th 2020
651
                                              Right. None of us are arguing in defense of our shitty election system.
Apr 10th 2020
653
                                              And if you want to continue for it to be any sort of democracy
Apr 10th 2020
654
                                              fuck them kids, fuck women, fuck LGBQT, fuck folks on gov assistance
Apr 10th 2020
655
      bec Joe always known for his eloquence
Apr 10th 2020
644
           actually, it’s science that makes it true
Apr 10th 2020
646
                Cenk's speculation makes this true
Apr 10th 2020
649
                     lol you need new material
Apr 10th 2020
652
                          these guys would actually hate TYT more than Fox News...
Apr 10th 2020
656
                          what other echo chamber you going to?
Apr 12th 2020
658
                               There is so much great investigative media out there
Apr 12th 2020
659
Biden pivots to the left
Apr 10th 2020
638
I see what you did there.. lol
Apr 10th 2020
640
RE: Ask them what Biden’s polices are and they have no fucking idea
Apr 10th 2020
642
These were such a bummer
Apr 10th 2020
645
How the Anti-Populists Stopped Bernie Sanders
Apr 11th 2020
657

Reeq
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1. "i dont think we will get a contested convention."
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with most candidates dropping out (hopefully bloomberg kicks rocks after today)...i think we end up with a 2 horse race (even if someone like liz stays in) and a clear plurality winner who gets nominated on the 1st ballot.

at least i hope.

i hope if sanders wins then theres no shenanigans that take the victory away from him and completely fracture the party.

and i hope if biden wins then sanders folks will acknowledge the will of the electorate and accept they got outvoted.

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5. "lol"
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>
>i hope if sanders wins then theres no shenanigans that take
>the victory away from him and completely fracture the party.
>
>and i hope if biden wins then sanders folks will acknowledge
>the will of the electorate and accept they got outvoted.

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12. "are you of the opinion that the plurality leader should get the nom?"
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Even if they don't reach the majority threshold?

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13. "yup. i was in 2016 too (when i voted for bernie)."
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14. "I think it's the correct position to take"
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although we can't rely on candidates to take that position - as they will always fight for their own self interest - be it hillary clinton, bernie sanders, or elizabeth warren.

That rule needs to be set in stone through actual reform - closing the door on the kind of disastrous brokered convention that destroyed the party in 1968.

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22. "yeah i dont see how you could ever overturn the plurality"
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and expect to keep your party intact and win the general.

i guess if sanders is ahead at the convention then we will see lol.

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2. "man, I'm having a hard time accepting Warren's fade "
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At this point, a really fucked up evil part of me thinks...

fuck it, lets give the world Bernie, lets see that disappointment spread once they block brotherman at every opportunity and we're going to have a long era of political apathy...oh god, we might have long periods of political apathy.

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3. "that's my line of thinking only it's because"
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>fuck it, lets give the world Bernie, lets see that
>disappointment spread once they block brotherman at every
>opportunity and we're going to have a long era of political
>apathy...oh god, we might have long periods of political
>apathy.

Biden loses to Trump, after a contested convention.

see my comments in the other thread on Warren.

  

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4. "What if that doesn't happen?"
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What Sanders is willing to do, which no other candidate has embraced - not even to a different degree, is empowering regular people to actively *do* politics. Not just vote, but to strike, to protest, to confront, and to help our neighbors in small gestures of solidarity.

What Sanders is offering is chaotic, but it's chaos motivated by a genuinely novel understanding of the American electorate with the American state - an understanding that acknowledges that we have more people and if we are loud and rude and relentless that we will win.

There's a couple directions that you can go with that assertion. If you don't like loud and rude and relentless, then that's reasonable but I'd argue it's definitely closer to a present political apathy than your (reasonable) hypothetical. There's also the possibility that you're just correct. We can enable to the left to actually work their political will, and we will lose, and then everybody will pack it in and go home. I think my quibble with that is that we've tried the other option, several times, of enlisting gentle experts to assure us that they're the most capable of triangulating around the politically possible and their results are what brought us right to today.

We haven't tried socialism or a mass movement of Americans who have a clear theory of change that's tacked to the idea that politicians aren't heroes or even particularly admirable. They're people who want the obscene levers of American political power and if they want them then we should, at the very least, make sure they offer us something in return.

In short, please consider the possibility - even if you think it's miniscule - that Sanders can win and, so empowered by the ridiculous control we've given the executive office since 9-11, can also accomplish some things that will actually materially improve the material circumstances of millions of Americans. And furthermore, that they might be grateful and remember that bravery so that we can bury the fascist Republicans forever, not just until they scramble a new message for the next election.

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8. "A lot of people don’t want to make that type of sacrifice"
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myself included.

I’m willing to give it a shot but I would be lying if I didn’t admit I don’t want the struggle that may come with making changes to the HC system or paying more taxes so people have a better quality of life


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shut up already, damn

  

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18. "This is where I am."
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I get it, yet I'm still surprised by how many people are convinced Biden is our best shot at ousting Trump, considering the results of the last presidential election. The idea that Sanders is too radical and that Biden's moderate stance is more likely to "bring people together" feels like a repeat of 2016.


>We can enable to the left to actually work their
>political will, and we will lose, and then everybody will pack
>it in and go home. I think my quibble with that is that we've
>tried the other option, several times, of enlisting gentle
>experts to assure us that they're the most capable of
>triangulating around the politically possible and their
>results are what brought us right to today.


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27. "People on here who were clowning Joe are now rooting for him"
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and let it be known I always thought Biden would be the guy because of Obama and brand recognition.

What I didn’t expect was his terrible senile ass getting his much traction after one victory in SC.

Joe better give southern black voters the world if he pulls this off.

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37. "It's crazy how the narrative flipped so quick"
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He went from down and out to a leading contender. Just by winning a state that was tailor made for him.


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30. "I can't see any scenario where Biden beats Trump"
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51. "ive said if biden or bernie are the nominee then dems prolly lose."
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even as abnormal as trump himself is...historically things have been pretty rigid/consistent.

the incumbent party lost the presidential election (hard for a party to get 3 straight terms).

the party of an unpopular prez lost a ton of seats in the midterms.

and when dems actually get a president in the oval office...they are always younger than theyre gop predecessor going back a crazy amount of years (i posted it on here before).

so dems putting a president older than trump in office would be an aberration.

i think we are seeing some of the struggles with young/1st time voter turnout and having old folks at the front of the ballot.

it might be kinda hard to resonate with the ascending majority when youve damn near reached literal life expectancy.

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67. "Which former or current candidate(s) do you think would beat Trump?"
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74. "fam i have no idea."
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and its not even about trump as a candidate. its about how fickle the dem base is and how our candidate needs to be inspiring, likable, eloquent, cultured, relatable, etc. for us to get off our butts.

people i personally preferred like beto and (eventually) warren got little traction.

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78. "Agreed, unfortunately."
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>and its not even about trump as a candidate. its about how
>fickle the dem base is and how our candidate needs to be
>inspiring, likable, eloquent, cultured, relatable, etc. for us
>to get off our butts.

Based on the 2016 general election results and my policy preferences, I’d much rather we went with Sanders as the nominee, but I’m not convinced he’ll beat Trump, either.


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109. "if i thought an agenda could be punched through id want it to be bernies..."
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but i have doubts based on his ability to win in areas that should be competitive this year and his effect on downballot dems.

im not thrilled about biden either but im slightly more confident in him based on the makeup of the electorate and voter behavior from 2017 up to now.

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6. "Obama flexing his muscle behind the scenes in the last 48"
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hours to sink Bernie is some State Sen. Clay Davis stuff I didn't foresee.

  

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9. "I don't know if I buy all the vague reporting on that"
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They've rolled out these vague reports every month or so talking about how Obama is operating behind the scenes to favor Biden, or Warren, or Buttigieg etc...

If Obama wanted to flex his muscle on this - he'd come out with a strong endorsement for his VP when it matters most - like right now.

From what I've gathered - Obama was luke-warm (at best) about Biden's prospects - and there have been plenty of reports dating back to 2019 where he actually dissuaded Biden from running.

Of course - now that it's a binary choice between Bernie & Biden - Obama may feel Biden would best carry out his legacy, but I disagree: Obama put in a lot foundational work to set the table for real progressive reform. Sanders is the candidate who can carry that baton now that the foundational work had been done (even though Trump has done his best to undo everything Obama accomplished).

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11. "I buy it. Biden is in position to severely cut into the delegate"
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lead Bernie was about to build. That's the one to the body. Then Obama's endorsement maybe later this week or next week is the two to the head. That would be more effective than blowing his wad with an endorsement before today.

  

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36. "Running for the nomination is very expensive"
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so I don't understand why Obama would delay matters in terms of endorsing Biden if he was emphatically anti-Saunders as you claim he is, especially since today would delivery a huge number of delegates to put that much more pressure on Saunders and further solidify things for Biden. It would make more sense (and result in less money spent campaigning) for Obama to support Biden full and well as early as possible.

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40. "An Obama endorsement will have maximal power if it's "
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delivered as a final blow to Bernie's campaign. Biden did all he could with little to no money, which was to limp to SC and then have Jim Clyburn carry him across, like the Footprints in the sand poem. If Obama had endorsed him months ago, that would be baked into the cake, giving Bernie and his people lots of time to have counter-strategy before the voting started. The way it looks right now, Bernie is not going to be able to pull that off. Momentum is huge with this stuff. Biden is rolling downhill with a head of steam, right now in a way that wouldn't have been as likely with an early Obama endorsement.

  

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17. "yeah they keep tryna drum up palace intrigue with no drama obama."
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like you said...if he really wanted to tip the scales then he wouldnt have to engage in a bunch of passive aggressive string pulling behind the scenes that might not even move the needle in any tangible way.

dude has a (frustrating) reputation of respecting norms and remaining reserved (merrick garland, bipartisan russian (non)announcement, etc). i dont see him jumping out the window here in such a potentially flammable fashion.

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7. "I'm just imagining Trump making Biden look feeble and weak..."
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Which I think plays 10x worse than being called a socialist.

Biden doesn't seem to have the energy (or the will) to push back in real time against Trump. Trump will bully him. And contrary to popular belief, Americans love a bully.

Sanders still runs around like a spring chicken and will finger wag Trump to death.

Also policy discussion wise, I think Sanders would has the advantage over Biden against Trump. Yeah, his proposals are "extreme". But they are generally popular.

How is Trump going to attack Sanders other than to just raise the vague specter of socialism? Is he going to say people shouldn't have healthcare? Is he going to say billionaires should be taxed less? Is he going to say people should be paid a lower wage?

With Biden, I can't even verbalize what he is striving for other than bringing us back to respectability.
He is on record vigorously supporting cutting social security and medicare and Trump will hit him hard on this (no matter how hypocritical). Trump will call him corrupt over his son's Ukraine stuff (no matter how hypocritical).

I don't care who actually becomes president, but I just see Biden as a much weaker candidate versus Trump.

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10. "Biden's message is "let's go home again"."
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The problem is "you can never go back home", as the saying goes.

On the surface, it sounds like MAGA, which worked for Trump, but it's different. MAGA was really about white people stopping the browning of America. That's it's own, real, evil message. "Let's go home again" is specifically about reliving 2008 - 2016. That will NOT work. Alot has changed in that short time.

  

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16. ""Let's go back in time" is not a good look/message for Dems"
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and you're right - MAGA was like a new-born, twisted, more abrasive form of Nixonian "The Silent Majority" - which became the loud, declining majority in 2016.

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29. "RE: I'm just imagining Trump making Biden look feeble and weak..."
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>With Biden, I can't even verbalize what he is striving for
>other than bringing us back to respectability.
>He is on record vigorously supporting cutting social security
>and medicare and Trump will hit him hard on this (no matter
>how hypocritical). Trump will call him corrupt over his son's
>Ukraine stuff (no matter how hypocritical).
>
>I don't care who actually becomes president, but I just see
>Biden as a much weaker candidate versus Trump.


-He supported America's endless foreign interventions, deregulating wall street, bailed out crooked banks in 2008 to name a few...and is against student loan reform (probably thinks Davos is a fine lady), medicare for all no way, and not even interested in open elections and primaries.

take a message

  

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117. "i think theres a good chance trump skips out on debates."
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15. "oh I like this. Sanders baiting Biden into a in-depth discussion of poli..."
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not overall 'likeability'

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485640-sanders-biden-is-a-decent-guy-hes-just-wrong-on-the-issues

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19. "the disrespect to the woman still fighting in this race"
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how are you going to disregard tulsi like that?

  

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20. "lol"
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21. "I have a question, why did sanders not run for pres before 16?"
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And also why does he not just call himself a socialism, socialism doesn’t need to qualified by the word democratic. Socialism is not inherently not democratic.

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24. "Socialism has really negative conotations here in the US. "
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And is very much associated with the non-democratic. I guess it goes back to the cold war.


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38. "so Just a career politician politicking when he uses that term right"
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Cool. That’s what I suspected. Any idea why he never ran for president before 16?

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25. "RE: I have a question, why did sanders not run for pres before 16?"
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https://time.com/5422714/what-is-democratic-socialism/

  

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28. "Also he's not a socialist, Burlington business thrived under him"
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while he was mayor

“What democratic socialists want is closer to what exists in Scandinavia or Iceland, expanding what Europeans talk about — a large welfare state in a capitalist society,” says Kazin. (That said, there’s some debate about whether those Nordic nations can really be considered social democracies anymore or whether they are more market-driven than most people think.) “ is not a violent overthrow of capitalism, but working within the system through legal and peaceful means electoral and social movements,” says Isserman."



  

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32. "if youre explaining youre losing."
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we dont even have to point to successful socialism in other countries.

we can point to successful socialism here. like medicare, social security, etc. the most popular/essential parts of our societal framework that voters of all parties dont wanna live without.

but we live in a dumb country fam.

republicans called everything in the new deal socialism (til americans loved it). repubs praised romneycare. then when obama took it national...repubs called it socialism.

they just keep calling shit socialism to sour public opinion and it keeps working.

like when its a ballot initiative with no d/r next to it...voters in both parties overwhelmingly approve the expansion of medicaid...then voters of one party overwhelmingly vote for politicians that wanna gut/eliminate/refuse that same medicaid expansion they just approved of. ditto with voting rights initiatives, wage increase initiatives, anti corruption initiatives, etc.

thats the country we live in.

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48. "Nah people have to explain the difference as much as possible"
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We all need to be trained to stifle our knee-jerk reactions to the word 'socialism' and come to terms with how some of our own political instincts are in line with with it.

An old white millionaire with a successful mayoral record (in an albeit small city) where business boomed shouldn't have to explain that he's not Pol Pot and the DSA not the Khmer Rouge to a Republican, but if Democrats are letting the fear they are projecting onto Republicans of the word cloud their own judgment, then yes, it needs to be pounded into people's consciousness again and again because world view takes practice.

  

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64. "And it's working"
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Maybe not fast enough, but I spent my childhood watching Red Dawn at my Opus Dei neighbor's house* and reflexively cringing at the word "socialism". And that's not really the experience of children growing up now, which is the result of de-fanging the rhetoric around this compassionate ideology devoted to imagining a more equitable world where we recognize our shared humanity and direct our labor towards the ideal that if one of us isn't free than none of us are free.

I also teach about a hundred students per semester and take every possible opportunity to indoctrinate them. I am utterly unemployable in any other field and time is definitely on my side.

*I realize it's odd to say that I spent my childhood watching one particular move, and that's obviously an exaggeration but between the 80's style capitalist paranoia they sought to instill in their kids at a horrifyingly young age and the family's much more supportable love for Patrick Swayze, I'd say I watched it no fewer than two dozen times.

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73. "It's hilarious when Americans point out other nation's propaganda "
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but don't recognize our own so clearly in front of them

The amount of bad guy Arab movies I grew up watching?

Delta Force. True Lies (CRIMSON JIHAD). I mean there were 100s.

You can see the products of this indoctrination in the comments of every Ilhan Omar tweet.

  

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70. "no i mean if you *have* to explain then you are losing the issue."
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not that you shouldnt keep explaining/educating.

thats how politics in our country is.

people want headlines and bumper stickers.

when people dont know what something is within a bite size nugget...it allows your opponent to define it within a bite size nugget.

death panels. energy independence. open borders. death tax. etc.

gop has mastered the art of filling the knowledge vacuum.



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79. "if that's the case I think Bernie's bite sized 'evil corporation'"
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morsels are being eaten up by a good portion of the white working class in swing states.

And I don't think Biden's 'Obama, Obama' mantra is going to get him those same people.

When it comes to the general, Trump will try to smear Bernie's politics using methods of pandering and dishonesty to a degree which we have never seen, but I do think the counters Bernie will have on a disastrous term rife with empty promises and scandal will kneecap them. Trump has escaped impeachment but not without being hobbled.

  

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31. "Democratic Socialism and Socialism are not the same things at all"
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39. "oh ok. Well on the other question, which is see no one answering "
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In his 30 years of whatever of unwavering viewpoints and consistency, why did he never run for president, waiting for kucinich to get out of the way? Bill Clinton was more acceptable than Hilary?

I’m honestly curious

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42. "I was wondering this myself. I also wonder why"
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a movement needs its leader to be president so badly?


I mean, don't get me wrong, its obviously ideal and being a senator isn't close to Pres.


But folks are acting like its their final chance and shit.


Why can't he apply the same pressure/tactics/etc to pass some progressive legislation from his seat?

  

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43. "Sanders (and Warren incidentally) have been very critical"
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of both Republican and Democratic economic policy in the wake of the big bank bailouts where we've seen a massive redistribution of wealth concentrated to the top tenth of one percent. They both correctly note this as corporate socialism. This - along with the long-standing bi-partisan consensus for war - drew Sanders out of Vermont to bring his message to the national stage. Sanders has been one of the only voices in the Senate to consistently speak out against wasteful, disastrous u.s. foreign policy.

In 2016, Sanders led a movement to draft Warren for President - because he knew she'd address his main gripe: the billionaire class dominating our economic and political life. Warren did not opt to run in 2016 - and being that Clinton was running in an uncontested primary, Sanders knew the only way to bring that message to the national forefront would be for him to actually step in and vie for an unlikely bid to become President.

Fast forward to today - and love him or hate him - you can't deny that Sanders has galvanized an entire generation to thrust itself into the political process.


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33. "Nvm, misread your post."
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nm

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41. "He considered primarying Obama in 2012. And Democratic "
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Socialist is an old term - it's not like he made it up. Marx actually hated the Democratic Socialists that were in Europe in the mid-19th Century and talks shit about them directly in the Communist Manifesto.

  

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91. "maybe he didn't need to. maybe he saw 2016's lot as a sham"
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he did ask Elizabeth Warren to run then, she declined.

It was a longshot.

  

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23. "was post SC more NWO or DN-Cnappening?"
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26. "didn't realize we had so many maga heads on here, smh.."
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34. "Biden but he’s gonna have to get with it on interviews and speeches "
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He looks a step behind every time and even though Trump is an evil racist I don’t want Trump capitalizing on being able to make Biden look weak and old

  

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35. "Whoa. You Biden folks, which of his policies resonate with you?"
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44. "OKP is an aging population lol"
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Not surprising that Biden would poll well here.

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45. "Literally no one agreed with me when I said Biden would get the nom"
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People on here laughed and ugh’d... and I’m by no means a Biden fan but I thought he would win for obvious reasons.. aka old and white.

To see people on here propping him up is weird af.

shut up already, damn

  

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49. "So... you think it's that they hate the Bros that badly, huh"
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Or are they cowards worried that the Republican slurs against Bernie will be too insurmountable?

  

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53. "are you saying that people who think Biden has a better"
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chance to beat Trump are cowards? If so, don't you think that is a bit much?

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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60. "It's a lot much but it's also a lot true"
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66. "so anyone who doesn't vote for your candidate is a coward"
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sounds reasonable.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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75. "jesus man"
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you seem hung up on my comment

NO I don't think anybody who doesn't vote for my candidate is a coward. There were many feasible candidates in the running and I wasn't set even set on mine early on.

I think if a voter registered Democrat who likes a candidate but is afraid to commit to them because Repubs will use bully tactics, that is acting scary as fuck.

  

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62. "I think they blame the Bros for Warren tanking. "
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and while this place swears they are progressive it’s mostly over identity land twitter shit.

Real world shit? They don’t have the stones to follow thru on it so they settle for senile Joe.

When he shits his pants on stage or slips up and tells everyone to vote for the other guy if they don’t like him during a debate they will start bashing him again..

All while saying Bernie couldn’t beat Joe when we see how the Dems woe KH harder to beat Bernie than to beat Trump.


shut up already, damn

  

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46. "is this an indication that warren supporters would switch to biden?"
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most of the polls on this site have had a split of bernie/warren

i havent voted in this poll because yeah she still exists and we dont have the results from today yet. if things play out as expected then maybe ill hit the bernie button tomorrow.

  

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47. "for the 1,000th time: some people consider who can win the general"
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vs who they prefer


Not everything is black and white.


My guess is a decent portion of these Biden votes are people who would love to see Bernie be pres (or at least a progressive), but don't think Bernie can win.


Why is this so hard for you to keep in mind?


Not everyone voting for Biden is old and out of touch.

No every Biden voter is "low information".

Not every vote for Warren is a vote for Biden.


etc. This stuff isn't nearly as simple as you make it.


And some of Bernie's supporters *cough cough* surely turned at least some people off.


** I voted Bernie in your little poll for the record, because I still like his chances better than senile Joe. But you just pretending Warren doesn't exist and trying to tie supporter her to a brokered convention is...predictable.

  

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50. "sorry it took this long but are you okay? "
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i know amy dropping out was tough.

  

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84. "it was man"
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And now I'm lashing out. I'm itching to throw this stapler on my desk.


  

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55. "you know whats really 'low information'?"
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expecting a president to pass free healthcare, free college, a complete overhaul of our medical service industries, a completely overhaul of our energy sector, a federal jobs guarantee, forgiveness of all student debt...

...with a record budget deficit and a slim senate majority (if that) with mitch mcconnell gripping the filibuster.

you cant blame people for calling it 'pie in the sky' and looking for a more practical/realistic candidate.



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58. "What's Joe Biden going to tell people who need those things?"
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He's going to leave a lot of people behind in the name of realism. And he's not just saying they're political impossible - he's telling them to stop asking for things that will meaningfully improve their lives.

How does he sell that to those voters?

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113. "leave a lot of people behind in the name of realism?"
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should he instead keep selling them false hope to keep them in the fold?

is biden supposed to lie to folks because it makes them feel good? that sounds an awful lot like a cult.

theres a lot of stuff that people want/need. most folks know to manage their expectations based on realistic conditions. not become more fanatical about the delusion.

even people like aoc are pulling the curtain back and admitting m4a is improbable. maybe its time for sanders supporters to follow her lead.

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61. "They're both going to fail. One is already a fucking vegetable."
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76. "><"
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>expecting a president to pass free healthcare, free college,
>a complete overhaul of our medical service industries, a
>completely overhaul of our energy sector, a federal jobs
>guarantee, forgiveness of all student debt...
>
>...with a record budget deficit and a slim senate majority (if
>that) with mitch mcconnell gripping the filibuster.
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>you cant blame people for calling it 'pie in the sky' and
>looking for a more practical/realistic candidate.
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80. "agreed but it's also why I find the red scare panic over Bernie so extra..."
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I understand in terms of worries about his electability, but if he gets through, none of these things are actually going to happen

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110. "i see more and more republicans starting to come to this conclusion."
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https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1232477909266231296
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Sen. Warren has convinced me that Bernie isn't that worrisome. He'll never get anything done. SHE'S the freak who will show up with 17 idiotic plans every day and keep everyone up until it gets done.
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86. "that can't be it, Reeq"
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Literally anyone picking Biden must be old and out of touch.


Anyone voting Warren must be a snake who wants a brokered convention.



Its the movement against the world....why aren't more of these out of touch snakes signing up to join them?


Warren was 2nd nationally in some polls not that long ago, little buddy left her out of his poll. And he can't fathom why anyone would would support someone they think has the best shot at beating Trump.

  

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112. "fam i honestly wonder what type of mild psychosis it is"
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that blinds some of these folks from believing someone wouldnt fall in line behind bernie for anything other than corrupt intent.

imagine living in a bubble that thick.

'WHO IS PAYING YOUUUUUUUU?!'

lol.

that shit is fucking crazy as hell.

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96. "how much are you being paid for this tripe"
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>you cant blame people for calling it 'pie in the sky' and
>looking for a more practical/realistic candidate.

you can't blame people for staying their asses home because the "more practical" candidate offers nothing but the red carpet to the corrupt entities *currently* running the country into the ground.

  

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107. "are you saying you will stay home if Biden is nominated?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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111. "2016 all over again because people dont bow to their savior."
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108. "someone thinks differently than me! they must be getting paid off!"
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cmon doc.

i know youre better than that stock/stereotypical lowest common denominator youtube comment ass logic.

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56. "lol you good?"
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I never called Biden supporters "low information voters" - but you've made it a habit of putting words in people's mouths.

One thing is for sure: this is a two-person race. People can (and should) vote for whoever they want - but they should also understand the dynamics of the primary at this point.

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82. "hahaha! are you?"
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You're freaking out that moderate candidates are supporting...dun dun dun...the leading moderate.


"Everyone should vote for who they want" is definitely not your stance- at least not lately.

"A vote for Warren is a vote for Biden"

And yes, you absolutely have downplayed/condescended anyone who might vote for Biden. You did it in this very thread- just assumed everyone is old.

And, as usual, you cherry picked points. Good reminder why debating/engaging with you is completely pointless.

Just, do us all a favor and remember that some people vote for who they think will win, not necessarily who they'd like to see be president.


  

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88. "lol you're all over the place, per usual."
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Referring to the fact that Biden's base is comprised of older voters is condescending? lol So sensitive to be alarmed by such obvious facts.

And yes - many people have (accurately) described this now as a two-person race. Given that the data has shown that Warren voters prefer Sanders as their 2nd choice more than any other candidate - it's not really even an opinion to say that she's drawing some Sanders votes away.

If you disagree - point to some actual evidence/data instead of whining and crying about it.


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90. "Everything he wrote in reply 82 is true, not trying dogpile you here but..."
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Cmon. I’m certainly no saint but I’m not gonna sit up here and act like I am either.

Will you vote for Biden if he gets the nom? I’m curious

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77. "His platform is the same as Bernie' he just doesn't use the word Free"
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go to his website.
You'll agree with every policy if you're a Bernie stan.
There's nothing to be against if you're left leaning.

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81. "LMAO!"
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83. "Haha"
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Wait. You serious?

shut up already, damn

  

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87. "No the fuck it's not."
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I can't believe you actually typed that shit.
Wow.

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101. "Lol god help us "
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116. "Just go to his website. "
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381. "compare with sanders' policies on his site - https://berniesanders.com/i..."
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Bernie Sanders on the issues
I’m running for president so that, when we are in the White House, the movement we build together can achieve economic, racial, social and environmental justice for all.

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114. "lol i love this. joe biden: bernie with a price tag."
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85. "Im #teamwarren and will vote biden if she's out "
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by the time of the maryland primary

my reason is that I do believe that politics is about coalition-building
and anyone that wants to pass laws whether in the house or senate, needs to have that support- or be willing to build it

to me the best person for that is warren
I see her as being focused, willing to work with other congressional folk to get things done
and i really like her policy platform and the fact that she has put a lot of thought on how we will need to disinfect
the effects of the administration at all levels (e.g. rebuild the civil work-force, various fed departments etc)
so yes, I see her policies as being more likely to go somewhere.

my second choice here is biden -because again he has that support/goodwill
at the place that matters when it comes to passing policies and legislation
he's misguided to think that republicans will come around or that things can go back to some new normal
but the house has proven that it can legislate and pass bills that are needed
we need the senate to actually move things forward
i don't see biden as standing in the way of the progress that has already started.


the president doesnt write the laws - he needs to have the support of the place that does.
and yes, that place is *the establishment*
the president is not some superhero that swoops in and with a wave of the hand everything changes
s/he actually needs to play well with others

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92. "policies?"
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52. "Tha fuck? WARREN IS STILL IN THE RACE"
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54. "She' staying in to prevent her voters from going to Bernie."
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Particularly in Mass. She'll drop out tonight or tomorrow.

  

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59. "Liz is playing the brokered convention long-ball game"
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which is really disappointing. Buttigieg & Klobuchar outperformed her but dropped out to hitch their wagons to Biden. This was a clear move to shift momentum and dogpile on the Biden train with the clear intention to stop Sanders.

Warren also seems perfectly content with a Biden nomination. That's her prerogative.



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57. "Super Tuesday is not over yet"
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Tulsi still in too

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63. "Well I’m glad she will get your vote"
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but she ain’t winning shit but the biggest loser by playing spoiler.



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65. "I love Elizabeth Warren. I do."
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But between the severe misstep of calling herself Native American (which was just so brazenly stupid) and the fact that this country is sexist as shit told me she'd never beat Trump. I'd love to see that debate though - she'd wipe the floor with him - but she won't beat him. And now she's got zero shot at it anyway.

I was between her and Bernie. I'm of the opinion that a vote for Liz is a vote for Biden today so I said fuck that and voted Bernie. He's not a perfect candidate, and he'll probably lose (I've said that Trump's getting re-elected) but fuck Biden.

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68. "RE: I love Elizabeth Warren. I do."
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>But between the severe misstep of calling herself Native
>American (which was just so brazenly stupid) and the fact that
>this country is sexist as shit told me she'd never beat Trump.
>I'd love to see that debate though - she'd wipe the floor with
>him - but she won't beat him. And now she's got zero shot at
>it anyway.

- yeah but Biden barely knows history quotes and like to make up shyt

-I dont want to ever hear an adult tell a lil girl she can be President of the US; possibly student body president, president of a fortune 500 company, president of social gathering committee, but not on WASP land

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69. "Agreed."
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I prefer Warren, but voted for Sanders today for the same reason.

>I was between her and Bernie. I'm of the opinion that a vote
>for Liz is a vote for Biden today so I said fuck that and
>voted Bernie. He's not a perfect candidate, and he'll probably
>lose (I've said that Trump's getting re-elected) but fuck
>Biden.


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89. "I actually voted early for Warren, even though I prefer Sanders"
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I wanted to keep another progressive voice in the primaries and thought/still think she brings good ideas to the table.

However, I almost immediately regretted the vote. If the "She's only sticking around to siphon votes from Sanders" stories are true. Then I'm going to be really annoyed.

Sanders is going to win Cali today easy regardless though.

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98. "While true..."
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>
>Sanders is going to win Cali today easy regardless though.

If Liz gets >15% of the vote she gets delegates. Early on in the race I'd say vote with your heart but given where we are today (where things are a lot closer to than end than most of us figured they'd be by now), had to go with the strategic vote.

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100. "Which is exactly the scenario I didn't want"
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When they moved Cali to this early in the cycle, I figured I wouldn't have to worry about shit like this. But since we've gone from like a dozen to 4 candidates in the space of a very, very loooooooonnnnnng 2 weeks or so, here we sit.

If I'd have voted on Sunday rather than Saturday, I would've voted differently.

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102. "Exactly."
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Up until a few days ago, I was pretty firm on voting for Warren today. But given how quickly the delegate forecast shifted, I felt I had to vote for Sanders to do my part to ensure he gets as many delegates as possible.

>If Liz gets >15% of the vote she gets delegates. Early on in
>the race I'd say vote with your heart but given where we are
>today (where things are a lot closer to than end than most of
>us figured they'd be by now), had to go with the strategic
>vote.


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99. "Huh? You didn’t vote for the one you prefer? "
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That’s weird.

Your vote could tip the scales bro.

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mrhood75
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105. "I liked the idea of two progressive voices in these primaries"
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We've got a Centrist and Center Right candidate remaining, I wanted to have multiple candidates that had left of center ideas espousing those ideas.

I've got my issues with Warren, but "She's an agent/planet/undercover centrist and Republican" isn't on that list.

If I'd voted 24 hours later, my vote would've been different.


>Your vote could tip the scales bro.

Now you're putting too much on it.

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71. "Old guards in droves coming out to support Biden"
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Comey? lol
Kristol? NeoCon Iraq war architect lmao
Tim Kaine/Terry McAullife? Clinton wing. check.
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz? Rigger of the 2016 primary (according to Elizabeth Warren) check.
Brennan? foreign policy establishment status quo holder. check.

I'm sure Hillary herself would be coming out to endorse him - but she's smarter than that. She knows it'll only help Sanders lol

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72. "You besmirching the good name of the FBI?"
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>Comey? lol

*carefully leans into microphone behind "West Wing" branded podium*

"How dare you, sir."

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93. "if I'm judging just by my polling place Bernie will win Ca"
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more crowded than I remember seeing it, and majority younger crowd with some older people mixed in

manbun next to me was going back and forth with the polling guy because he didn't want to register as a democrat. saying "I don't want to be part of a group". The guy was trying to explain to him that if he wanted to vote for pres in the democratic primary, he had to pick D today.

I'm not sure the conclusion but I'm 100% he was a Bernie guy

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94. "LOL. I watched the exact same scenario played out on Saturday...."
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...when I went to vote early in Oakland. Dude ended up holding up the line until prompted to go and get a ballot or else people were going to start cutting ahead of him.

>manbun next to me was going back and forth with the polling
>guy because he didn't want to register as a democrat. saying
>"I don't want to be part of a group". The guy was trying to
>explain to him that if he wanted to vote for pres in the
>democratic primary, he had to pick D today.
>
>I'm not sure the conclusion but I'm 100% he was a Bernie guy

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95. "idiots"
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IDIOTS.

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97. "lmao"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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103. "He didn't even have to register as a Democrat."
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You can be registered as NPP (No Party Preference) and vote using an NPP-Democratic ballot.


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106. "it might have been what the guy was trying to tell him."
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i didn't get the whole conversation. i think the guy was averse to the word Democrat in any capacity, on some I'm free thinker and you will not define me shit.

>You can be registered as NPP (No Party Preference) and vote
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104. "Bidenbros:"
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https://i.redd.it/6eckjeqb6hk41.png

This is your guy?

Are you sure he's the safe choice?

  

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115. "I still think the best call was for neither to run"
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Biden aint it. He's surging right now because he actually put up a W and Obama clearly made some calls for folks to drop out.

Oh and Bloomberg popped up and said "look how terrible it actually can be!"

But the idea of Biden is a lot more comforting than actual Joe. Because of shit like this.

Not only does he have 30+ years of baggage, but something is clearly not right with him.

Also, I personally think the best bet to win the white house these days is to run an outsider.

The moderate/Obama mantle should have gone to someone else.

I think the party is going to regret going all in on him so early- probably at all.

https://twitter.com/AbeFroman/status/1234711862760992769

I'm sorry, but same with Bernie. Bernie can't really effectively run as an outsider having been in Congress for 30 years.


And, fair or not, a lot of people (voters too) in the party do not like Bernie.

He's also old, and is starting to look tired AF.


The better progressive bet would have been for him to throw his movement's weight behind Warren or hell Tina Turner or someone.


Basically, right now I wish it was Castro or Booker or Kamala vs Warren or Turner or Gillum or someone like Ro Khanna or some shit.


Younger/more diverse blood with less baggage running on the same messages would make me feel a lot better.


I really wish both had sat out. Ego, stubbornness, and misplaced loyalty are going to sink the Dems again.



  

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118. "i agree"
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my ideal situation was bernie not running and backing someone younger (not even young, just...younger). i wasnt big on warren when she announced. she won me over. obviously that didnt happen with a lot of people, so far. if she had bernies backing from the jump? maybe that would change.

i feel like warren wouldnt had been the ideal pick for him, im not sure who would have been but i do think that would have been a better scenario.

same on the biden side but i dont even care to consider the options for him lol

  

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123. "Candidates as QBs:"
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2008 Obama = Mahomes
2020 Sanders = DONKEYS Peyton
2020 Biden = COWBOYS Testaverde
2020 Warren = Andy Dalton

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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119. "Welp. Joey Biden is your 2020 Democratic Nominee*"
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*Even if Sanders somehow wins a plurality - he won't get the threshold majority - and ain't no way the Super Delegates going to let Sanders come for them as President.

Trump gotta be partying his ass off tonight plotting these next 4 years.

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120. "looks like the okp poll reflected a lot of the tide change "
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in the real world.

i think the last 3 polls went from warren to bernie to biden.

when lefties like *us* start trending towards biden...you know his fortunes are changing.

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121. "yup. I think many assumed Democrats were more Progressive"
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than they actually are. I certainly did -- I didn't think there was a chance that Dems would think Joe Biden should represent the party v. Trump in *this* anti-establishment climate. We'll see if there was any wisdom in rallying behind Biden.

Those Boomers still are bodying the younger generations in turnout - and they aren't at all (nor will they ever be) ready for a progressive mandate.




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122. "2018 continues to go overlooked by some people."
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voters spoke pretty clearly.

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135. "RE: looks like the okp poll reflected a lot of the tide change "
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>when lefties like *us* start trending towards biden...

Ha! That's a good one. Most of you guys aren't lefties, believe you me. I actually just come here to make my blood boil and see what the latest oppo on Bernie is. I was long ago shaken of my false belief that a hip hop message board would espouse the radical politics of the people we grew up on like Boots Riley, Chuck D and Killer Mike and instead cheer at stopping a movement endorsed by a whose who of virtually every activist group and progressive icon you can name.

  

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143. "you sound bitter my brother. i understand emotions are still raw tho."
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maybe instead of excluding people yall deem insufficiently pure...yall can work on how to build consensus/bridges with other people who dont think exactly like you.

i mean...losing or tieing with joe biden on okp should be a wakeup call.

it aint eveyone else. its yall.

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124. "4 more years of Trump!"
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gotta love these motherfuckers.

  

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125. "You already know"
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126. "Not sure about this"
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My early prediction was older white folks and working class whites would flock to Biden

Didn’t happen in the first 2 states which was weird but I think it’s because everyone spends hella dollars in Iowa.

Biden looks like he has the juice.... and he’s basically run a shit campaign.

shut up already, damn

  

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129. "it will be a bloodbath."
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131. "are you going to help Trump by staying home?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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132. "doc. why do you think that?"
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134. "a few reasons"
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1. to beat a monster like Trump, who is an incumbent, who survived as a scandal he can spin as persecution, with a base that rightfully deserves all of the scolds and scorn that so-called "Bernie Bros" receive, will require massive turnout, massive discipline, and no voter left behind. this is already made difficult by the entrenchment of voter suppression and disenfranchisement put in place by the GOP after the Supreme Court frisbeed the Voting Rights Act, in reaction to Obama actually working his ass off to win in 2008. that's why you saw people waiting 7 hours to cast a vote.

2. there is a fundamental, substantive divide (and people don't wanna hear it, but Obama's admin has a lot to do with this) within the group that typically votes and would be convinced to vote Democratic. simply, it's this: people who are just OK with the President being a Democrat vs. people who would prefer that over the GOP hellions, but actually care about what happens afterward. bridging that gap is difficult enough, but then...

3. ...Joe Biden offers NO vision of the future, immediate or otherwise. he didn't even have a coherent message going into the SC primary. no one knows why he's running except he's gonna replace Trump. with regard to the divide in #2, that's fine with the "Get Trump Out" contingent, but the rest, who would be required to actually Get Trump Out? would be skeptical or worse, apathetic. Joe's record of shoddy bipartisanship, which would be known in the "we care" group, would not inspire.

to make matters worse, his public demeanor suggests he may not be up to snuff to actually make the kind of decisions that would change those people's minds.

4. Sanders has much of the "we care" group on lock, because he does offer a vision of the future and is speaking directly to the material needs of the people who support him. Including "Getting Donald Trump Out". The mass media tends to obscure that in favor of painting him as "selling socialism". surprisingly he has a HUGE contingency among Latino voters, where Biden is completely weak. Those numbers would be also needed to "Get Trump Out". the crossover if Biden is the nominee can't be confirmed to be 100%.

The Democratic decided to unite around the possibly worst candidate they had left out of their bag of tricks. Kamala Harris, who was weak in a number of different ways, would have least have had a "sound mind" on her side. Elizabeth Warren would have had "party-approved progressivism" on her side. Julian Castro would have inspired. Instead, the DNC boosted the most right wing candidates they could and settled on Biden immediately after South Carolina.

unless he avoids the spotlight or actually puts together a vision plan that HE INTENDS TO ENACT AS PRESIDENT....

it's gonna be a lot of "Sleepy Joe" jokes onward to Trump's reelection.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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138. "bear with me in my ignorance, doc..."
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I understand what you’re saying, I keep going back to why trump tried to dig up dirt on Biden. There’s something trump fears. I also think discrepancies can be found in any candidates history, the difference is... Biden’s a likable dude and that counts! He’s not an off the cuff speaker so he may not be able to clearly articulate his vision but I believe he’ll surround himself with folks that can.

  

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142. "All facts. "
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127. "My take aways from Super Tuesday: "
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-although sanders has yet to prove he can actually activate young voters into a huge voting block, he has unquestionably proved his message and outreach appealed to Latinos and Latinos seem more energized than ever, which will be huge in holding Colorado and Nevada and maybe even put Texas in play in the general.

-Clyburn put Joe Biden on his back and he owes the Majority Whip everything.

-amy and Pete are also owed a lot!

- next up on Tuesday is miss, Michigan, Idaho, Washington, Missouri, and North Dakota. If trend lines hold I think Biden will win Miss, Missouri for sure, the other four are up in the air, Biden is a completely different person and has a different appeal than HRC, I don’t think any of the states Bernie smashed in 16 will be givens in 2020

-Although I still think Liz would be the best president, I mourned her candidacy a few weeks ago after NH. I honestly don’t know what she is angling for now, the petty in me think she’s getting her revenge on sanders and the BBs lol. She definitely played spoiler to him a bit last nite, although I maintain all her voters wouldn’t go to Bernie

-all those Black mayors like London breed (San Fran went to Bernie) and vi lyles (Charlotte went to Biden) have egg on their face now after supporting Bloomberg (who just dropped), Listen to your community and constituents and govern yourselves accordingly.

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287. "yep, yep and more yep"
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I think if Warren had dropped out 2 days early he would have lost the early warren voters and the "coalition" voters but I think he would have stolen at least TX and Mass for sure...

the other 3 states that split progressive vote would have still probably given him more delegates if not 1st place

i don't think Warren was being petty...i think her pragmatism just ended up being misguided and she got used

Klo and Pete got the memo (Pete would have hurt biden in those non-southern states had he stayed) but Liz hung in there...

i'm not mad at her for dropping out but i warned folks as soon Klo and Pete dropped out that she should have right behind them...she had already realized it would take a brokered convention...

i think she

a.) isn't quite as progressive as she initially pivoted (which is why she pivoted center a few times)

b.) thought she would get a bigger chunk of the progressive voters than she did (i did too until the center sliding)

shit, i'd still prefer her overall. we disagree on the bernie bros shade but only bc it's levels to the bernie bros...i like that his platform has so far been able to pull in people i like and dislike bc that's the broadness needed for a progressive. it's beyond time for the torch to be passed but i think more people are gonna go blue no matter what more than last time around

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128. "Bloomberg out; endorses Biden"
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It's a gang beat-down at this point.

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133. "and Warren is the screaming woman in the background. "
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everyone else is jumping out and Warren just chillin’

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130. "Saw this in a tweet and believe 100% it will happen:"
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1) Biden names a woman as his running mate.

2) Trump responds by dropping Pence and naming Nikki Haley as his running mate, using botched Coronavirus preparedness as an excuse.

  

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144. "saw that too but I wonder if the Christians"
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would forgive him? lol


All the shit he's done, dropping Pence might be the one thing they won't accept.


Then again, its Trump. He could probably sit on Pence's face on live TV and his R approval would go up.





  

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136. "Elizabeth Warren, if there is a white jesus above, endorse Bernie now"
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137. "why should she? And now all the sudden ppl want her to help him"
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Not saying u specifically but she was being called all kinds of snakes and phonies and being ridiculed and attacked by sanders supporters

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139. "Wow. My mistake. "
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Just read she takes super pac money, she abandoned m4a. And she didn't back Bernie in 2016.
I thought she was more progressive for some reason lol. She's more aligned with Biden. What a piece of rat shit!

  

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141. "RE: Wow. My mistake. "
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>Just read she takes super pac money, she abandoned m4a. And
>she didn't back Bernie in 2016.
>I thought she was more progressive for some reason lol. She's
>more aligned with Biden. What a piece of rat shit!

I wouldn't go so far as to call her names - but Warren has never been an ally of Sanders. She is far more likely to endorse Biden and curry favor with the party - just like she did in 2016.


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145. "shit. was Hillary right? "
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nobody likes Bernie lol

  

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151. "About the Democratic party power brokers disliking Bernie?"
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Absolutely.

While he remains one of the most popular Senators/politicians in American politics - he has a lot of enemies (in both parties).

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147. "Oh it was you specifically. Well she don’t owe u or Bernie a thing "
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Hopefully regardless you help to eject trump!

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158. "she hasn't earned the right to endorse him"
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Aint that some shit.


the Bernie Bro myth just won't die....

  

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140. "treated her like shit even when she was completely cordial."
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146. ""smile, beautiful... fuck you then, stuck up bitch!""
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148. "This is so weird"
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Look, I understand the complaint that Warren was exposed to a lot of nastiness - but the only time I've seen anybody *on this forum* use specifically rough misogynistic language toward her, it's people who want to throw some sneerquotes on it in order to put it in the mouth of Sanders' fans.

Nobody *here* is doing that except people who want to play ventriloquist to score a point, and it's kind of fucked up.

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150. "Lol falafel went from "I hope she endorses Bernie""
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To calling her a rat piece of shit in two replies . My comment was just a play on that. The mysogony debate is a whole separate thing

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153. "!!!! Right and nobody is talking exclusively about Okp. Warren nor "
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Sanders even know what Okp is, Im talking all his online attack dogs who said some of the most vile things about warren. She owes Bernie nothing.

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156. "I'm not buying that hedge"
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Message boards are relics of communicating online, but they still offer some benefits over twitter in the sense that we can at least pretend to know each other here. There are folks on this board that I've been arguing with over various things for two decades now. We don't KNOW each other, but we know each other.

When you trot out language like that in reference to Sanders' supporters, charity insists that you clarify who you're talking about because it feels like you're taking a lot of liberty with that open-ness. This board is pleasant. Shit gets heated once and awhile, but the personal attacks that people so commonly attribute to our current political culture don't really occur here that often. That's a good thing, and I think it's better to keep it that way.

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161. "ok I hope you feel better soon. Sorry I offended you."
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154. "It could have been separate"
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>The mysogony debate is a
>whole separate thing

You're the one who started us down that road, so finish it off. Who here is calling Elizabeth Warren a bitch except for you?

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155. "not sure but someone is in here getting fake offended"
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even after I clarified

>You're the one who started us down that road, so finish it
>off. Who here is calling Elizabeth Warren a bitch except for
>you?
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157. "No, I'm actually offended"
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What you've done here is uncharitable, and I don't think your reasoning tracks.

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164. "It's just a joke about toxic male attention in the streets"
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I don't think he was saying Bernie fans were calling EW a bitch

  

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166. "I'm saying lol. I wasn't even trying to go there"
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Shit, i thought cnn did him dirty in the whole "a woman can't win" thing

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165. "I'm sorry your skin is this thin, man"
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Not sure what else to tell you

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169. "Fair enough, my fault"
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Truthfully, the comparison you're making is always going to make me grind my teeth. But that's an argument about jokecraft and actually anything important. So I'm sorry for getting you wrong.

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171. "*daps*"
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all good, man

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152. "Precisely:"
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>Look, I understand the complaint that Warren was exposed to a
>lot of nastiness - but the only time I've seen anybody *on
>this forum* use specifically rough misogynistic language
>toward her, it's people who want to throw some sneerquotes on
>it in order to put it in the mouth of Sanders' fans.
>
>Nobody *here* is doing that except people who want to play
>ventriloquist to score a point, and it's kind of fucked up.


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163. "i honestly couldnt tell if dude was being satirical or not."
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149. "The Bernie Bro-ism of this exchange. "
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It was Fuck EW.

Then, please EW please endorse Bernie. We need you.

Which turns into, oh wait, it doesn't look like she will? Will fuck EW!!!


That's just not how a party works.

Bernie Bros are Will Smith screaming he doesn't need Ben Vereen and then crying at the end wondering why Ben Vereen didn't love him.



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159. "^^^"
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160. "crine"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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162. "brilliant."
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MiracleRic
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296. "i feel like that initial fuck you is a bit overstated"
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not completely but she pulled a nice lil chunk of progressives early and the BBs were gonna be salty bc

a.) they didn't believe her (her pivots towards the center as the campaign went on kinda proved them right)

b.) even as the more appealing, competent, and historical candidate...it wasn't going to be enough to pull his loyalists

so yea, they considered her a threat...which she ended up being lol

this warren vs bernie supporters shit feels like a spider man meme

yes, by far...the passionate BBs are 5 much but that's why i wanted Warren to drop out earlier...the writing was on the wall weeks ago and as soon as i saw it...i went from Warren to Bernie...he has had the momentum and if she was as progressive as she had initially portrayed...she probably would have dropped out after not placing in the top 2 before super tuesday...mayor pete outperformed her and bowed out

folks shitting on the supporters in general kills me...bc you need those toxic motherfuckers to stay passionate unfortunately...having them passionate about a progressive platform is huge and i feel like it's about to be wasted momentum

bc even if Bernie had somehow become the nom and got jack shit done...they would have dug their feet in deeper for the next in line

they need to find the next in line A-fucking-SAP though bc i cant take too much more of this shit...about to go overseas and teach english and never come back lol

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legsdiamond
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168. "Ain’t no white Jesus above bruh"
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shut up already, damn

  

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Nodima
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170. "Last night really felt like 2016 to me."
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I wasn't paying attention at all throughout the day because I remember so clearly how unimportant the early poll results and exit polls were, or at least how much the information seemed like it fluctuated just to keep people glued to the TV. Stepped out to watch the late NBA game with a couple friends and the other TV had CNN on, this was 9/9:30, and I was totally shocked not just that Biden was winning but by how much in so many states.

One of the guys turned to me shaking his head, took a shot of tequila, rested his forearms on the bar and mumbled, "I live in a fuckin' bubble, man." This is a guy who in the past four years I've known him has helped open a family business, got engaged to his boyfriend in a state that only just legalized such things five years ago, bought a house...he's been nothing but a beacon of light and progress for me and he looked like his cat was one of the victims in that Netflix documentary.

From the very first debate, for me, it didn't matter whether I liked Biden in past election cycles or as Vice President or what any of his policies were. That was the very first non-fringe candidate in my thirty years and four Presidential elections that I saw on TV and thought, "that dude sounds mentally ill." I just couldn't understand how anyone would vote for the guy that was standing on that stage in 2020, and every following debate just furthered that.

Biden lived long enough to become the villain for a lot of people last night. I'm thoroughly discouraged. If any debates even happen, it's going to be two old grumps trying to make America great again while their brains melt out of their ears, while everyone so concerned about the moderate vote that flipped for Trump in 2016 coming back for Biden in 2020 are going to continue to miss that Biden is boring and Trump is not. THAT was what made Sanders or Warren the right candidates for the job, because they are different degrees of not boring and more importantly want to talk about the future, not the past.

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172. "Obama's pimp juice is the only thing that will get folks in the south..."
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to vote for Biden, Warren and Sanders never stood a chance.

  

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legsdiamond
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176. "If you ain’t Black.. you better be established"
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Progressives don’t have a chance down south.

shut up already, damn

  

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Reeq
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183. "not only did a bunch of bernie acolytes lose in downballot primaries"
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a lot of them were lucky if they even finished top 5.

thats like a lot of bernie endorsed candidates in 2018 who werent running in already super blue districts.

obama alumni eating heartily tho.

the pundits got it right this time around. bernie would have been a disaster in downballot races.

texas is only 5 seats away from a majority (D)emocratic congressional house delegation.

texas is only 9 seats away from a majority (D)emocratic state house delegation (there are 9 current red state house districts that went for beto too).

even if dems dont win texas in the presidential race...these are significant ways in which texas could still turn blue.

bernie would have thrown *all* of that away.

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186. "but thats low-informative to say that"
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take a message

  

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ThaTruth
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211. "before Obama, Kennedy was the last Democrat not from the south..."
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to become president.

  

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Reeq
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173. "steve bullock is about to run for senate in mt!"
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https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1235305551879458817
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Perhaps the biggest non-presidential moment of the 2020 cycle is upon is.

And after months of saying he would not run, @GovernorBullock is poised to run against @SteveDaines

w @CatieEdmondson
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things might be looking good on the senate side.

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1235313256497139722
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With the news that Bullock is poised to announce a MT Senate run, Dems CAN flip the Senate:

AZ
McSally (R) 39%
Kelly (D) 46%

ME
Collins (R) 42%
Gideon (D) 43%

NC
Tillis (R) 43%
Cunningham (D) 48%

CO
Gardner (R) 40%
Hickenlooper (D) 53%

Plus: Ernst in IA and 2(!) seats in GA
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174. "yessss I really like Steve bullock. He puts me in the mind of sherrod"
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Brown. Gritty midwesterners but (relatively) progressive and really in tune with their states. Hope he can win, we need as many irons on the fire to try to get the senate

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175. "my conclusion: unless you support bernie... you are not progressive"
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at least that's the conclusion i've gotten from that post
(and its getting too wieldy to come back to)
its really wierd to observe
i will say this; i believe biden supporters are making calculated decisions - and it has nothing to do with their political leanings neither does it mean that they love biden
and its wierd that instead of acknowledging this some of us are choosing to disparage/dismiss them
and for some of us.. it's the fact that we think that while bernie talks a good game -he doesn't have the mettle to walk the walk
and wouldnt get any of this done
i've felt this way since 2016- when i briefly flirted with him
nothing he's done since has changed my opinion (and nothing in his past -to me- warrants these accolades either)
-which is why i was really excited to support warren - i see her as a progressive that would put in the work
she just cant campaign for shit, lol


also... some of us have *yet* to cast our votes
i mean, we are 1/3 of the way and its really ironical that.. we are being told to make inroads to bernie
when his supporters could be making inroads to people to vote *for* him
I don't see the game as being called yet - shit seems to change over night.
but ... that's not the response, lol!
i think this explains why there has been a failure to build a grand coalition, tbh. this acting like politics is a zero sum game

anyway. y'all have at it.

all i know is im voting for the dem nominee in nov 2020. i really dont care who it is at this point. that's how much of a threat i see another 45 term to be. you should too.




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178. "This is almost word for word my stance. And I support "
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Wholeheartedly the democratic process. when Bernie was racking up wins, I was disappointed and worried but I kept saying so be it and to the victor goes to the spoils, that was the will of the voters in those states. I wanted to be convinced he could really win, but he couldn’t and didn’t. I wanted to be convinced he could expand his support, expand the electorate, but he didn’t.

With so many ppl running this cycle the process and voting had to be respected. Has to be respected

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