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"Super Tuesday"
Sun Mar-01-20 11:47 AM by Vex_id

          

With the first 4 states (finally) accounted for - we head into Super Tuesday where ~34% of the delegates are at stake. This will be a make or break day for many candidates - and should serve to ultimately thin out the field.

One of the only things we all seem to agree on is that the first four states (Iowa, NH, Nevada & SC) should all vote on the same day. Super Tuesday is well designed to feature both demographic and geographic diversity - with multiple states having their respective say on a singular day. Easily the most exciting day of the primary thus far.

Not surprisingly, Sanders is winning the more progressive states - while Biden has a lead in some Southern, more moderate/conservative states. But Sanders has also polled quite well in Texas - and even has a puncher's chance at North Carolina. If he takes both California & Texas, he may very well build an insurmountable plurality as this race moves forward. If he picks off both Massachusetts (which would be embarrassing for Warren) and Virginia - that would really solidify a monstrous Super Tuesday for his campaign, where he'd essentially be lapping the field. He also has a strong chance to win both Utah and Colorado - proving that he can take more moderate states as well.

Bloomberg finally enters the fray - but can he get a win anywhere on the map? Warren still hasn't won a contest - nor has she been all that competitive - but with her admission that she's now pivoting to look for a brokered convention - she's essentially saying this is just a delegate collection exercise for her at this point, which is both strange and daunting for party prospects moving forward if we're bracing for an ugly, brokered convention. Will Pete stay in? Will this come down to a Sanders-Biden-Bloomberg three-way race? Two-person race?

We shall see very shortly.


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Voted early yesterday
Mar 01st 2020
1
High turnout is always encouraging for Dems
Mar 01st 2020
12
powerful gesture of solidarity for the sanders campaign ahead of tuesday
Mar 01st 2020
2
This is one of the more impressive collective endorsements I've ever see...
Mar 01st 2020
11
If polling is anywhere near accurate, Bernard should have a big day.
Mar 01st 2020
3
Funny, I didn’t notice any of ur replies in the SC prim post after
Mar 01st 2020
7
? All the polling indicated he would be 2nd, and he was.
Mar 01st 2020
15
      He was crushed, y’all thought it would be close .Granny and dem don’...
Mar 01st 2020
19
           Meanwhile, he’s polling ahead in CA, TX , WI. Shrug.
Mar 01st 2020
33
                We’ll see! Most of that polling was pre SC and pre Mayor Pete’s exit...
Mar 02nd 2020
78
unfortunately we have to (re: warren)
Mar 02nd 2020
49
Popular vote totals between Bernie and Biden Super Tuesday
Mar 01st 2020
4
Bernie didn't show up for the Edmund Pettus Bridge Bloody Sunday march
Mar 01st 2020
5
Has he given up on Black votes already??
Mar 01st 2020
8
He was just giving the Black vote lip service
Mar 01st 2020
14
      lol Sanders is either 1st or a close 2nd with Black voters nationally
Mar 01st 2020
23
           So we can trust NBC and Wallstreet when it's not a negative story
Mar 02nd 2020
89
Candidates have to be strategic in this very limited window of time
Mar 01st 2020
10
      All the other candidates showed up, even the one who dropped out.
Mar 01st 2020
16
Sanders-linked group entered into racial discrimination NDA
Mar 01st 2020
6
Bernie should be the big winner on Tuesday and thus get the
Mar 01st 2020
9
He can't unite the party.
Mar 01st 2020
13
He already has. He has the deepest, broadest coalition on the left.
Mar 01st 2020
18
Lmao. Aren’t y’all always going on about numbers...the 20 something
Mar 01st 2020
21
      Math ain’t your friend, huh?
Mar 01st 2020
32
           no I think it’s not urs. His numbers so far don’t demonstrate broad
Mar 02nd 2020
80
i don’t think he can either. I was watching a lot of clips of White fo...
Mar 01st 2020
20
this expectation is odd to me at this point
Mar 02nd 2020
197
Buttigieg drops out
Mar 01st 2020
17
As like the only person rooting for him on here,,
Mar 01st 2020
22
*black grandmom hug + back rub*
Mar 01st 2020
27
lol!
Mar 01st 2020
28
nope I was waving the buttigieg banner
Mar 02nd 2020
40
dude sucked and his politics sucked
Mar 02nd 2020
41
i feel for you
Mar 02nd 2020
47
lol thx
Mar 02nd 2020
71
      ive mostly come to terms with warren being done
Mar 02nd 2020
86
if It makes a difference, he was starting to win me back over, slightly ...
Mar 02nd 2020
87
that should be the nail in the coffin for ia/nh prominence.
Mar 01st 2020
24
the only reason he was the 'delegate' leader is because of
Mar 01st 2020
26
      youre really riding hard for keeping iowa 1st huh? lol.
Mar 01st 2020
30
           easily
Mar 01st 2020
36
                diversity politics undoing democracy? really?
Mar 02nd 2020
42
                yea, your reasoning on this one is completely throwing me off
Mar 02nd 2020
208
I'd like to see him boot Pence out the VP mansion
Mar 01st 2020
29
I'm pessimistic about VA esp. if this is a Biden/Bernie race
Mar 01st 2020
25
maybe federal govt workers know best
Mar 01st 2020
31
because
Mar 01st 2020
38
      i have no idea what your beef with mainstream media
Mar 01st 2020
39
NoVa isn't all Raytheon Acres
Mar 01st 2020
35
      that's more of what I was thinking, didn't know how to phrase it
Mar 01st 2020
37
      it takes less words to say racist
Mar 03rd 2020
247
turnout among 1st time voters is down in early states.
Mar 01st 2020
34
Only thing that matters is turnout in swing states
Mar 02nd 2020
43
or...that overall turnout is actually UP
Mar 02nd 2020
72
Where are the new voters BBs? The rapid holdovers from 16
Mar 02nd 2020
82
Where’s Warren voters.. new, old, black, white? Lmao
Mar 02nd 2020
92
      Warrens not getting the nom. Stay ur dumbass out of grown folks
Mar 02nd 2020
97
           ^^^ YOU NAH TEEEEEE
Mar 02nd 2020
113
           They complain about the Bro’s and then post threats
Mar 02nd 2020
204
           U Maaaaaad
Mar 02nd 2020
198
           lol
Mar 02nd 2020
240
turn out seems to be matching 2008 no?
Mar 02nd 2020
101
Abby Phillip of CNN: Pete's goal was to limit Bernie's delegate lead
Mar 02nd 2020
44
If that was his goal then I am all for it. Bravo Pete.
Mar 02nd 2020
45
LOL #NeVaRsAnDeRs
Mar 02nd 2020
46
      You can pop that teen response shit all you want, Sanders will lose to
Mar 02nd 2020
48
           If your concern was beating Trump - supporting Sanders is pragmatic
Mar 02nd 2020
51
           Polls had Hillary beating Trump, so polling isn’t perfect.
Mar 02nd 2020
54
                Polls also showed that Sanders was stronger than Clinton v. Trump
Mar 02nd 2020
57
                     Lmao I just told you polls were wrong in 2016
Mar 02nd 2020
67
                          So you're advocating for ignoring all the data?
Mar 02nd 2020
69
                          Polls are hardly all the data,tho.Especially if the sampling is fucked
Mar 02nd 2020
77
                               What criteria do you suggest we use when assessing candidates
Mar 02nd 2020
83
                          You think a brokered convention with a brand new name is goin to win?
Mar 02nd 2020
91
           RE: You can pop that teen response shit all you want, Sanders will lose ...
Mar 02nd 2020
52
           * hell yeah
Mar 02nd 2020
60
           Bernie beats Trump in 4/5 swing states, ties in 5th
Mar 02nd 2020
65
What's wrong with that?
Mar 02nd 2020
62
This is the goal of everyone currently still running that is not Bernie.
Mar 02nd 2020
68
Yeah.. everyone is running to pull delegates
Mar 02nd 2020
94
can't call it a conspiracy 'theory' when it's happening in plain sight
Mar 02nd 2020
162
      Fax.
Mar 02nd 2020
220
pretty significant shifts heading into super tuesday
Mar 02nd 2020
50
RE: pretty significant shifts heading into super tuesday
Mar 02nd 2020
53
      just a gut feeling
Mar 02nd 2020
56
      Pete had a lot of bouts throughout this primary - not just w/ Sanders
Mar 02nd 2020
59
      the 'revolutionary politics of the 60s' swipe at Sanders
Mar 02nd 2020
63
           Politics is when we wait until something polls at 51%
Mar 02nd 2020
64
                I'm sure he had a team crunching numbers while he furiously updated
Mar 02nd 2020
76
                     This is a surreal sentence
Mar 02nd 2020
85
                          RE: This is a surreal sentence
Mar 02nd 2020
88
                          He was a surreal candidate
Mar 02nd 2020
90
      I truly think Amy is sticking around to keep Minnesota away from Bernie.
Mar 02nd 2020
61
           I was wrong—she’s out and gonna endorse Biden.
Mar 02nd 2020
110
      L M A O !!!!
Mar 02nd 2020
123
remember the company line: Bernie can't lose!
Mar 02nd 2020
55
Bernie is tearing families apart! Flava Flav kicked out of Public Enemy
Mar 02nd 2020
58
>.<
Mar 02nd 2020
66
CAN'T TRUSS IT haha... talk to chuck d about that
Mar 02nd 2020
70
Coronavirus is spreading in California *precisely* during Bernie's rally
Mar 02nd 2020
73
He's a menace!!
Mar 02nd 2020
75
It wasn't Bernie, it was Flav and his lawyers
Mar 02nd 2020
74
"Hoohhhwooowuuayeaah..."
Mar 02nd 2020
79
Smh Bernie or bust, they are all rabid, even chuck D. This is deep
Mar 02nd 2020
81
      lol
Mar 02nd 2020
84
           anything that supports the BBs are lefty trumpers agenda
Mar 02nd 2020
210
Bree Newsome Bass endorses Bernie
Mar 02nd 2020
93
I voted last week in NC for Bernie.
Mar 02nd 2020
95
      hell yeah!
Mar 02nd 2020
96
      You're an interesting voter in this process.
Mar 02nd 2020
98
           I voted for Bernie in 2016.
Mar 02nd 2020
100
                It's interesting to see where the voter journey takes them
Mar 02nd 2020
102
                     there are some "future former republicans"
Mar 02nd 2020
104
                          Once the debates start and you see Bernie vs Trump
Mar 02nd 2020
124
could texas be the tipping point?
Mar 02nd 2020
99
Texas is big.
Mar 02nd 2020
103
Good 538 read: “Why Mayor Pete Dropped Out”:
Mar 02nd 2020
105
Sanders/Wellstone vs. Biden on Pharma Pricing
Mar 02nd 2020
106
Down goes Amy
Mar 02nd 2020
107
Warren's legacy is decided today
Mar 02nd 2020
112
      lol
Mar 02nd 2020
114
Klobuchar, out
Mar 02nd 2020
108
her tweet about him dropping out seemed respectful
Mar 02nd 2020
116
Amy Klobuchar is out
Mar 02nd 2020
109
pressure now on warren i guess
Mar 02nd 2020
111
      I'm hoping she won't fold and stick it out
Mar 02nd 2020
120
           i agree
Mar 02nd 2020
129
Irritated
Mar 02nd 2020
115
Fair point.
Mar 02nd 2020
117
RE: Irritated
Mar 02nd 2020
127
The Moderate vote is consolidating
Mar 02nd 2020
118
i guess i early voted for biden
Mar 02nd 2020
119
it is, unless Bernie indicates warren will get his VP slot,
Mar 02nd 2020
151
What are you basing this on?
Mar 02nd 2020
160
      i do spend some time browsing the warren sub
Mar 02nd 2020
168
           RE: i do spend some time browsing the warren sub
Mar 02nd 2020
178
                You say this with pride, but you don't realize it hurts your candidate.
Mar 02nd 2020
182
                RE: You say this with pride, but you don't realize it hurts your candida...
Mar 02nd 2020
188
                does this happen more on her sub than others?
Mar 02nd 2020
191
                     RE: does this happen more on her sub than others?
Mar 02nd 2020
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                          its kind of like subs are allowed to make their own rules
Mar 02nd 2020
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                               RE: its kind of like subs are allowed to make their own rules
Mar 02nd 2020
202
Refusing to drop out is an interesting take
Mar 02nd 2020
121
all of this
Mar 02nd 2020
125
Yea - she's clearly in it for the long-haul. She's now taking SuperPac ...
Mar 02nd 2020
130
To hold dropping out against Steyer, Pete, and Amy also assumes
Mar 02nd 2020
139
      Nothing happened. They all made political choices.
Mar 02nd 2020
141
           I hear you. I disagree, but I understand where you're coming from.
Mar 02nd 2020
142
                Nobody is making anyone do anything
Mar 02nd 2020
146
                     I know. Politics is fucked up tho.
Mar 02nd 2020
149
                          These aren’t their political choices to make at this point
Mar 02nd 2020
152
                               Right. But that's why I think the Dem estab/donor class cutting off
Mar 02nd 2020
164
                                    k
Mar 02nd 2020
166
you're hilarious
Mar 02nd 2020
122
      y’all really need to stop this Bernie Bro bullshit on here
Mar 02nd 2020
128
      lol right - not sure why people are acting brand new
Mar 02nd 2020
131
      Implying you are turning voters off is bullshit
Mar 02nd 2020
143
      RE: y’all really need to stop this Bernie Bro bullshit on here
Mar 02nd 2020
134
           I’m sure there are some asshole Bernie supporters online
Mar 02nd 2020
147
      ^^^^^^^^
Mar 02nd 2020
153
Harry Reid just endorsed Biden
Mar 02nd 2020
126
Yup. As did Tim Kaine - and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz lol
Mar 02nd 2020
132
I feel like there should be a deadline for dropping out
Mar 02nd 2020
133
It also has the effect of giving Bernie's opponents ammo to nullify
Mar 02nd 2020
136
this fione Buttigieg campaigner rang my doorbell yesterday at 3:45pm....
Mar 02nd 2020
138
      I was canvassing for Ralph Nader in Staten Island
Mar 02nd 2020
150
           A black man
Mar 02nd 2020
167
                I ain’t get paid.. it was the first day
Mar 02nd 2020
189
biden lies about mandela, getting arrested & civil rights movement
Mar 02nd 2020
135
dont forget the school bussing in the 70s, strom thurmond and other
Mar 02nd 2020
137
He also served 8 years under Obama so he’s good.
Mar 02nd 2020
140
shaun king's reporting shows he's revived this pattern in 2019-2020
Mar 02nd 2020
144
RE: We have the 8th largest Black population in America
Mar 02nd 2020
161
Incorrect.
Mar 02nd 2020
145
      Ehhh, by default he is viewed as Obama’s guy
Mar 02nd 2020
155
      I hate agreeing with legsdiamond but he’s correct (since he’s agreei...
Mar 02nd 2020
157
      Nah. Obama actually was trying to talk Biden out of this
Mar 02nd 2020
159
           now here's a conspiracy theory: there's an 'Obama' wing of the Democrats
Mar 02nd 2020
163
           I think both of you are right, tbh lol. He's been leaning on that Obama
Mar 02nd 2020
171
      Don’t play dumb you know exactly what I mean.
Mar 02nd 2020
158
The Dems seem to specialize in forced coronations.. lol
Mar 02nd 2020
148
      Beyond that it’s the establishment being scared shitless of Bernie
Mar 02nd 2020
154
           ^^^this
Mar 02nd 2020
156
           RE: Beyond that it’s the establishment being scared shitless of Bernie...
Mar 02nd 2020
165
                It’s easy to post progressive talking points
Mar 02nd 2020
174
                     ^yup
Mar 02nd 2020
238
Pete to endorse Biden
Mar 02nd 2020
169
And Warren and Bloomberg and Tulsi
Mar 02nd 2020
170
lol huh?
Mar 02nd 2020
173
Lol! The estab thought folks enjoyed '16 so much, they made a sequel :)
Mar 02nd 2020
175
RE: Lol! The estab thought folks enjoyed '16 so much, they made a sequel...
Mar 02nd 2020
181
No one was voting back then
Mar 02nd 2020
177
I do wonder
Mar 02nd 2020
185
Warren is officially the only woman and youngest Presidential candidate.
Mar 02nd 2020
183
DON'T THROW AWAY YOUR VOTE
Mar 02nd 2020
192
So...wtf is Warren doing?
Mar 02nd 2020
172
Hanging out.. spending other people’s money
Mar 02nd 2020
179
if she has been in it to win then the recent drop outs only boost her
Mar 02nd 2020
186
RE: chances of what?
Mar 02nd 2020
196
      95% of the delegates available are unalloted at the moment
Mar 02nd 2020
200
      we find out tomorrow
Mar 02nd 2020
201
           ^^^ the Warren bump
Mar 02nd 2020
207
My take is the estab *wants* Warren to stay in as long as possible
Mar 02nd 2020
193
^ sexism in action
Mar 02nd 2020
199
      Lol!I was like whoa waitaminute.You're right tho,good catch. This link:
Mar 02nd 2020
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           i didnt even focus on the exact numbers
Mar 02nd 2020
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                Ohh good point. Yea, clearly I'm no expert on SuperPACs/CampaignFin
Mar 02nd 2020
213
Warren won’t leave because that will give votes to Bernie.
Mar 02nd 2020
215
8-9 MILLION votes already cast for Super Tuesday.
Mar 02nd 2020
176
The OPTICS if Biden does poorly on ST with all the early votes cast<<<<<
Mar 02nd 2020
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      i definitely think this is overreaction to SC
Mar 02nd 2020
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      I think it’s a reaction to Super Tuesday polling data
Mar 02nd 2020
190
      He should do well in a few southern states
Mar 02nd 2020
187
is there an assumption that if Liz drops out she endorses Bernie?
Mar 02nd 2020
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i think the assumption is most/all warren supporters would vote bernie
Mar 02nd 2020
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i actually think it might be the opposite
Mar 02nd 2020
209
      theres been too many developments to make confident predictions
Mar 02nd 2020
212
The data shows that her supporters prefer Sanders as 2nd choice
Mar 02nd 2020
217
as a warren supporter... she drops out im voting biden
Mar 02nd 2020
244
how are there debates before Iowa and Nevada but not ST?
Mar 02nd 2020
214
SC debate will have to hold you
Mar 02nd 2020
216
predictions
Mar 02nd 2020
218
Punk ass Chris Matthews just resigned live on air!
Mar 02nd 2020
Chris Matthews out at msnbc
Mar 02nd 2020
219
Probably more coming
Mar 02nd 2020
221
Good
Mar 02nd 2020
222
good he was awful
Mar 02nd 2020
226
probably accidentally spit on someone with his mush mouth
Mar 02nd 2020
241
dude really was awful
Mar 03rd 2020
281
Gonna go out on a limb...
Mar 02nd 2020
223
Damn you got Bernie losing even though he is favored in Cali
Mar 02nd 2020
224
      I know, 415 is a lot to make up for Biden but I said what
Mar 02nd 2020
229
I guess we're going to have to beat this old guy
Mar 02nd 2020
225
which old guy? Both front runners are old str8 White men
Mar 02nd 2020
227
      and bernie is older than biden.
Mar 02nd 2020
233
      Bernie isn't the one who's going to beat him
Mar 02nd 2020
235
      he's the youngest guy in the race lol
Mar 02nd 2020
236
Beto O’Rourke plans to endorse Biden tonight.
Mar 02nd 2020
228
Fuckin chump.
Mar 02nd 2020
230
Can’t believe I fell for dudes lil speech
Mar 02nd 2020
231
beto knows 1st hand what dems need to win downballot races in tx.
Mar 03rd 2020
254
i got an email
Mar 03rd 2020
284
Tulsi Gabbard holds Austin town hall on Monday
Mar 02nd 2020
232
lol
Mar 02nd 2020
234
have some good bbq when youre down there vex
Mar 03rd 2020
286
mike bloombergs campaign will continue to be one of the dumbest
Mar 02nd 2020
237
He might be able to win - if.there are still Reagan Democrats left
Mar 02nd 2020
239
reagan democrats were white working class voters.
Mar 02nd 2020
242
all those billions and still got those yellow teef
Mar 02nd 2020
243
lmao
Mar 02nd 2020
245
lol
Mar 02nd 2020
246
RE: mike bloombergs campaign will continue to be one of the dumbest
Mar 03rd 2020
276
Reminder: Joe Biden loses to Trump.
Mar 03rd 2020
248
video of Biden forgetting constitution... this is bad.
Mar 03rd 2020
249
I can't watch this bowl of jell-o. I tried and I cannot do it.
Mar 03rd 2020
251
he said hes winning georgia tonight
Mar 03rd 2020
288
I'm in this line.
Mar 03rd 2020
252
I definitely thought Biden would be able to peel off older white voters
Mar 03rd 2020
261
Exactly right.
Mar 03rd 2020
255
Panic sets in!!! Lmao, you all have ur polls and ur broad and deep
Mar 03rd 2020
289
      Enjoy Joe Biden. Hope that works out for you.
Mar 03rd 2020
311
           im fine with anyone besides Bloomberg and tulsi
Mar 03rd 2020
318
                LOL of course
Mar 03rd 2020
322
what a complete 180, how are y’all panicking like this so quickly?
Mar 03rd 2020
291
if this were true, Trump wouldn't be so afraid of him
Mar 03rd 2020
294
      they never answer this.
Mar 03rd 2020
297
      And let’s not forget the Russians want him as the nom too
Mar 03rd 2020
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      RE: if this were true, Trump wouldn't be so afraid of him
Mar 03rd 2020
319
           there is a significant amount of Bernie supporters
Mar 03rd 2020
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                RE: there is a significant amount of Bernie supporters
Mar 03rd 2020
325
so far biden has spent the least amount of money per vote by a mile.
Mar 03rd 2020
250
It’s because Biden won big in SC
Mar 03rd 2020
259
      bernie has up to now underperformed his polling in states with a primary...
Mar 03rd 2020
275
biden shot to the lead in 538s prediction model.
Mar 03rd 2020
253
I've got a practical question regarding ballots
Mar 03rd 2020
256
good question
Mar 03rd 2020
258
An article from Slate on the matter
Mar 03rd 2020
266
Perfect! Thanks
Mar 03rd 2020
270
RE: Perfect! Thanks
Mar 03rd 2020
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thanks for this info.
Mar 03rd 2020
283
i know when i voted early in texas i still had 17 options
Mar 03rd 2020
292
Holy shit
Mar 03rd 2020
336
Most of the former candidates were on my in-person ballot in CA.
Mar 03rd 2020
320
      Yep, even a few I hadn't heard of or completely forgotten existed.
Mar 03rd 2020
344
Americans, by nature, like to be on winning teams
Mar 03rd 2020
257
I want to talk about Elizabeth Warren as well:
Mar 03rd 2020
260
She backed Hillary over Sanders last time
Mar 03rd 2020
262
      the lesson we all should have learned.
Mar 03rd 2020
268
      thats false. she did not back hillary over sanders.
Mar 03rd 2020
           She didn’t back the progressive
Mar 03rd 2020
272
           there were almost 100 progressive caucus members.
Mar 03rd 2020
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           Hillary ran on a progressive platform
Mar 03rd 2020
287
                what actual policies are you referring to?
Mar 03rd 2020
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                Nothing that I’d go back and forth with any of y’all on.
Mar 03rd 2020
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                most progressive party platform in history (c) bernie
Mar 03rd 2020
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                     Who we allow to be defined by their actions vs who’s defined by their
Mar 03rd 2020
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                     The platform didn’t lose.. SHE LOST
Mar 03rd 2020
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                          Small quibble, the first election since the VRA was destroyed
Mar 03rd 2020
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                          and the comey announcement shifted polls by a few points itself.
Mar 03rd 2020
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                          you do realize hillary lost the most support from people
Mar 03rd 2020
304
           thanks, i misremembered this
Mar 03rd 2020
342
The Stop Sanders movement has gone public: (swipe)
Mar 03rd 2020
263
dogg.... the Democratic Party would be destroyed
Mar 03rd 2020
264
I think The Stop Sanders...actually helps Bern
Mar 03rd 2020
267
Biden scores coveted John Brennan endorsement
Mar 03rd 2020
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Bill Kristol also endorsed Biden.
Mar 03rd 2020
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      We're getting the band back together!
Mar 03rd 2020
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           It's pretty clear that given the state of Biden's faculties
Mar 03rd 2020
274
clint eastwood endorsed mike bloomberg (a few days old).
Mar 03rd 2020
277
That Obama performance art
Mar 03rd 2020
278
that was an all timer.
Mar 03rd 2020
282
Republican endorses Republican for President
Mar 03rd 2020
305
Thanks Obama
Mar 03rd 2020
279
oh, c'mon man
Mar 03rd 2020
285
Yeah my Okp assholia aside, this exactly not the type of rhetoric
Mar 03rd 2020
295
      how come when they demonize 'establishment' politicians
Mar 03rd 2020
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      Man U know it’s much harder to demonize real ppl and not look like
Mar 03rd 2020
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      they became their own worst enemies
Mar 03rd 2020
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      Keep fooling yourself
Mar 03rd 2020
303
           Ugh were you around in 2018? That was the Democratic Party, that
Mar 03rd 2020
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           right?
Mar 03rd 2020
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           imagine the "the energy or political savvy" that will be used
Mar 03rd 2020
330
                We expect a tough fight from the GOP.. not from our own fucking people
Mar 03rd 2020
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                     cmon man. the point of an election is to win
Mar 03rd 2020
341
                          If the point is to win why are you talking about SC?
Mar 03rd 2020
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                               the biggest consequence of the drop outs is denying bernie delegates
Mar 03rd 2020
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if the movement can't beat the feckless Dems
Mar 03rd 2020
321
this is a really good point.
Mar 03rd 2020
326
right
Mar 03rd 2020
328
He’s not polling, pulling better than he did four years ago ... why no...
Mar 03rd 2020
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^^^^^^^^^
Mar 03rd 2020
334
and if the Dems can’t beat Trump...
Mar 03rd 2020
327
Good that's what happens when you talk about
Mar 03rd 2020
329
When the mask is off - I feel like this is what the Dem party is today:
Mar 03rd 2020
301
I see we are just going to ignore Adam Savage endorsing Warren
Mar 03rd 2020
306
Late polls show Biden with gigantic gains on Super Tuesday
Mar 03rd 2020
310
bloomberg: joes taking votes away from me
Mar 03rd 2020
312
I hope he doesn’t get more than 10 delegates today
Mar 03rd 2020
314
      i think biden gets more than 10 delegates, hes not going anywhere
Mar 03rd 2020
317
      I hope Bloomberg gets 0 delegates and goes home
Mar 03rd 2020
333
Biden is having a rally in Oakland today—Kamala to endorse?
Mar 03rd 2020
315
Comey just came out for Biden ... lol
Mar 03rd 2020
331
ugh. That’s unwelcome. What say does he have? Another person
Mar 03rd 2020
335
It's almost like he's trolling Hillary.
Mar 03rd 2020
338
Because he’s a bitch.
Mar 03rd 2020
339
bum ass.
Mar 03rd 2020
356
DNC is actually trying to save America
Mar 03rd 2020
337
As the polls are closing, i have a couple of questions
Mar 03rd 2020
346
sadly young voter turnout has not been a bright spot all primary.
Mar 03rd 2020
347
this has me worried
Mar 03rd 2020
348
yeah this is discouraging
Mar 03rd 2020
352
i thought climate change woulda been that issue.
Mar 03rd 2020
361
old dems and repubs in charge have successfully cooked young...
Mar 03rd 2020
353
      or maybe constantly calling everyone corrupt and saying both parties
Mar 03rd 2020
359
RE: As the polls are closing, i have a couple of questions
Mar 03rd 2020
349
i have a list of senators
Mar 03rd 2020
351
im seeing some senators start posting about the senate
Mar 03rd 2020
424
Biden projected to win VA, Bernie to win VT
Mar 03rd 2020
350
biden got 63% of the black vote in virginia.
Mar 03rd 2020
355
      they about to call black folk the establishment
Mar 03rd 2020
357
      lmao and smh
Mar 03rd 2020
358
      'who is paying them?!!!'
Mar 03rd 2020
362
      btw sanders got 16% of the black vote in va in 2016.
Mar 03rd 2020
367
           lololol
Mar 03rd 2020
369
delegates at stake
Mar 03rd 2020
354
Biden pro’d to win NC
Mar 03rd 2020
360
Bloomberg takes American Somoa
Mar 03rd 2020
363
lmao
Mar 03rd 2020
365
apparently tulsi also won a delegate
Mar 03rd 2020
368
      wtf?
Mar 03rd 2020
373
           Tulsi is Samoan fam
Mar 03rd 2020
376
                i assumed she was born/bred hawaiian.
Mar 03rd 2020
379
Bloomberg gets American Samoa. Had 7 full time paid staffers
Mar 03rd 2020
364
Highest obesity and Type 2 Diabetes rates in the world.
Mar 04th 2020
608
Biden looks like he'll sweep the south tonight
Mar 03rd 2020
366
Fuckin' Virginia
Mar 03rd 2020
370
LOL
Mar 03rd 2020
371
      I used to commute through Langley
Mar 03rd 2020
380
prolly comes down to the bernie margins in cali.
Mar 03rd 2020
372
      Either way you slice it - this is a monstrous night for Biden
Mar 03rd 2020
375
           the more things change the more things stay the same.
Mar 03rd 2020
381
Bama pro’d for Biden
Mar 03rd 2020
374
reminder: no dem has won the nomination without winning the black vote
Mar 03rd 2020
377
btw repubs have only won the popular vote once since 1988.
Mar 03rd 2020
383
so basically we might be trading one old white man for another old white...
Mar 03rd 2020
378
I mean, that's been true practically this whole primary
Mar 03rd 2020
382
using that logic - might as well vote Trump
Mar 03rd 2020
388
not really. i'd never vote for trump
Mar 03rd 2020
398
pretty much our entire history.
Mar 03rd 2020
396
      tbh, i was looking for an exciting nominee
Mar 03rd 2020
399
           im there with you.
Mar 03rd 2020
407
the fact that biden is doing this with little money and organizing
Mar 03rd 2020
384
I get why people dont like all the candidates left.
Mar 03rd 2020
385
People will deny this to the grave......
Mar 03rd 2020
389
why do yall continue to dismiss the actual voters?
Mar 03rd 2020
406
I didnt think it was all that complicated to see how Biden beats Trump
Mar 03rd 2020
390
so how does he?
Mar 03rd 2020
397
Biden has dementia. So does Trump, but Trumps charismatic
Mar 03rd 2020
404
You can literally see Joe's brain melting when he speaks.
Mar 03rd 2020
448
Warren is third in her own state right now
Mar 03rd 2020
386
Trump is prolly so sick that none of the media coverage is about
Mar 03rd 2020
387
Looks like Bloomberg might be throwing a wrench in things
Mar 03rd 2020
391
how? he's picked up... what? 4 delegates??
Mar 03rd 2020
401
Bernie has made some serious missteps
Mar 03rd 2020
392
lol
Mar 03rd 2020
405
sanders 2016 coalition has noticeably shrunk.
Mar 03rd 2020
393
really interesting, he’s ceiling is very real. All the ppl initially i...
Mar 03rd 2020
409
It's impressive to see Biden come back from the dead this way.
Mar 03rd 2020
394
And I can't figure it out.
Mar 03rd 2020
395
      Exit polls are saying old people scared by the coronavirus
Mar 03rd 2020
400
      lol
Mar 03rd 2020
410
           It's why you can't get too caught up in the poli-sci, high level thought
Mar 03rd 2020
414
      The *story* is a cable news creation
Mar 03rd 2020
402
      Lowkey this is kind of hilarious. I mean that. Genuinely comical.
Mar 03rd 2020
403
Qn: given that biden's comeback is powered by black voters
Mar 03rd 2020
408
the deep dark state.
Mar 03rd 2020
417
      it's really curious
Mar 03rd 2020
430
           lmao @ that tweet. they really thought nina turner was harriet tubman.
Mar 03rd 2020
433
                *dead* at that tweet and this reply. I thought Bernie had made so
Mar 03rd 2020
443
Sanders isn't losing because of Warren and Biden isn't where he is
Mar 03rd 2020
411
Bernie pro’d to win Colorado
Mar 03rd 2020
412
Sanders holding a steady lead in Texas at the moment
Mar 03rd 2020
413
sanders should thank God for the early vote in some states.
Mar 03rd 2020
416
nytimes showing sanders at 29% and Biden at 22% in TX so far
Mar 03rd 2020
418
this is a real worry i have about biden
Mar 04th 2020
597
So far Biden above 15% in every state, including VT
Mar 03rd 2020
415
Biden gets Tenn
Mar 03rd 2020
419
62% of black vote.
Mar 03rd 2020
423
      ^^^establishment
Mar 03rd 2020
427
Tulsi may have just qualified for the debates lmao
Mar 03rd 2020
420
she will definitely show up too
Mar 04th 2020
598
virginia turnout has nearly *doubled* from 2016.
Mar 03rd 2020
421
good shit. And sheesh at how much Biden won VA by, smashed it
Mar 03rd 2020
425
damn biden won oklahoma.
Mar 03rd 2020
422
It’s really inspiring to see democrats energized and unified
Mar 03rd 2020
426
i hope dems pull it together and win in november.
Mar 03rd 2020
431
Unified? lol
Mar 03rd 2020
432
      yes *democrats* are unified. *yall* raggedy asses might not be.
Mar 03rd 2020
434
      lol
Mar 03rd 2020
436
      More so than they were before SC. Sorry it’s not benefiting Bernie
Mar 03rd 2020
438
           You're gonna need those "not democrats" you're referring to
Mar 03rd 2020
445
                “Im” gonna need? Do you not want trump out of office too?
Mar 03rd 2020
450
                     oh so now you want to refer to this as "us" and "we"
Mar 03rd 2020
451
                          Did u just see how I said I’m not factoring in BBs lol. Ima leave U
Mar 03rd 2020
455
                               Congrats on Biden's big victories.
Mar 03rd 2020
463
                                    i love both of yall. we all family. our house on 3.
Mar 03rd 2020
468
United Health stock is up
Mar 03rd 2020
428
market jitters is what turned a lot of people toward Biden I think
Mar 04th 2020
551
I didn’t expect Biden to do this well in Maine and Mass and Oklahoma
Mar 03rd 2020
429
wow @ ma. last pre poll showed bernie ahead of the field by 8 pts.
Mar 03rd 2020
439
      ma officially called for biden. bonkers.
Mar 03rd 2020
457
           Thats insane, that and Okla. Biden camp bet the farm on SC and came
Mar 03rd 2020
469
Warren not looking to be viable in *any* states
Mar 03rd 2020
435
ah come on don’t grasp for anything. U urself declared it a two
Mar 03rd 2020
440
Oh hell naw you don't get to do that:
Mar 03rd 2020
442
      Find the replies I shit on tulsi. Ur in a frenzy, it’s ok. I rarely me...
Mar 03rd 2020
447
      lol
Mar 03rd 2020
460
      I shit on tulsi repeatedly, but I haven't brought her up in forever
Mar 03rd 2020
464
Not a good look by Warren
Mar 03rd 2020
441
Lot of Sanders supporters saying Warren costed him a few states
Mar 04th 2020
552
Big rebuke to the idea u can buy ur way in, Bloomberg spent
Mar 03rd 2020
437
don't turn your nose up at his money yet
Mar 03rd 2020
444
good. It will be better use of his money. He shouldn’t have wasted
Mar 03rd 2020
452
spent just enough to do damage to biden in tx and co.
Mar 03rd 2020
453
somebody please punch bloomberg in his face.
Mar 03rd 2020
446
LMAO. This dude ended up paying like $50 Million per delegate
Mar 03rd 2020
449
dude talking big shit on the 1st day hes on any ballot
Mar 03rd 2020
454
BAG TALK!!!
Mar 03rd 2020
475
cali votes could come in and change this entire narrative lol.
Mar 03rd 2020
456
Sanders will win cali but will it be a blow out? That the question
Mar 03rd 2020
459
so far bernie has been underperforming across the board.
Mar 03rd 2020
465
Nope. Regardless of what happens in Cali - the story is Biden
Mar 03rd 2020
461
      joe aint standing for no malarkey. he will rise to the occasion.
Mar 03rd 2020
467
      lmao!
Mar 03rd 2020
471
      he'll tell everyone he hugged mandela backstage
Mar 03rd 2020
487
Minnesota. Thanks Amy!!!
Mar 03rd 2020
458
Biden: This is my sister!!!
Mar 03rd 2020
462
remember: It's everyone else's fault if Bernie doesn't win.
Mar 03rd 2020
466
lol
Mar 03rd 2020
470
LMAO at Biden's speech.
Mar 03rd 2020
472
this election is about to be so depressing.
Mar 03rd 2020
474
      lol. it really is. i don't plan on watching any of it
Mar 03rd 2020
484
      sameski. im tuning it allllll out and just showing up at the poll.
Mar 03rd 2020
491
      The first Biden Trump debate will be the highest rated debate
Mar 04th 2020
617
           at least maybe Biden takes a swing at him...
Mar 04th 2020
638
story of the night should be: black folks change elections.
Mar 03rd 2020
473
Yup. Also: Clyburn the Kingmaker
Mar 03rd 2020
478
      you gotta stop viewing everything through the binary prism
Mar 04th 2020
494
           I disagree.
Mar 04th 2020
530
As good of a night as it's been for Biden, Sanders is closing strong
Mar 03rd 2020
476
Biden *is* getting delegates from Colorado. U may want to check again
Mar 04th 2020
492
Why is it so hard to vote in Cali?
Mar 03rd 2020
477
It isn't.
Mar 03rd 2020
481
my spot had at least 30 machines
Mar 03rd 2020
486
I had no problems.
Mar 04th 2020
496
California already called for Sanders
Mar 03rd 2020
479
jeff sessions fails to win the GOP nom, lol. its a runoff
Mar 03rd 2020
480
looks like biden will take 10 states and sanders will take 4.
Mar 03rd 2020
482
Yep. Bernie losing mass, Maine, and now seemingly Texas is an
Mar 04th 2020
502
Biden sweeps the South; Sanders sweeps the West
Mar 03rd 2020
483
Bernie better start energizing the youth vote more effectively.
Mar 03rd 2020
485
im wondering what the hell more can his campaign do
Mar 03rd 2020
488
      not gonna lie i haven't followed the campaign closely...
Mar 04th 2020
506
           bernie campaigns hard to young voters and college students.
Mar 04th 2020
513
                Its clear to me. These are the same folks that say voting doesn’t
Mar 04th 2020
526
                     all good points.
Mar 04th 2020
529
biden dominated the east and midwest too.
Mar 03rd 2020
489
      I wouldn't say he dominated there
Mar 03rd 2020
490
           i mean he won every east coast state but sanders home court.
Mar 04th 2020
493
           we overestimate that.
Mar 04th 2020
500
                bernie had a 14(!) pt polling lead collapse in maine.
Mar 04th 2020
503
                Everyone dropped out and endorsed Biden
Mar 04th 2020
557
                If we're gonna play the moderate/progressive game,
Mar 04th 2020
564
           Lol
Mar 04th 2020
498
Texas too close to call - Biden just took a slight lead
Mar 04th 2020
495
Biden’s lead growing in Texas per nytimes. Wow
Mar 04th 2020
511
      theres no way to downplay that.
Mar 04th 2020
518
           it looks like over 60% of black folks in tx voted for biden.
Mar 04th 2020
539
bernie had 3 years to improve his relationship with black voters.
Mar 04th 2020
497
ceiling! Where’s bignick? Lord Snideness himself.
Mar 04th 2020
499
on twitter calling for warren voters to give up
Mar 04th 2020
505
      I can only imagine, their hate for warren is probably at it’s zenith
Mar 04th 2020
509
Joe Biden did jack shit to win them himself
Mar 04th 2020
501
      Nothing about anything you said would be hilarious.
Mar 04th 2020
504
      doc been sounding straight up crazy lately.
Mar 04th 2020
508
      I've seen how this movie ends. y'all can pretend it'll be any different.
Mar 04th 2020
660
      it's called sarcasm.
Mar 04th 2020
676
      i know bernie stans cant wait to scapegoat black folks.
Mar 04th 2020
507
      lol right. Sanders made *gigantic* efforts to expand his base
Mar 04th 2020
510
      well, if those efforts didn't work, then it's not because they were wron...
Mar 04th 2020
512
      theyre so confused by all of this lol.
Mar 04th 2020
515
      Congrats on your big night.
Mar 04th 2020
516
           I followed the bernie stan playbook
Mar 04th 2020
541
           props to vex for at least being present, all the other rabid BBs on
Mar 04th 2020
572
      serious question for you, doc, etc.
Mar 04th 2020
520
           It's really quite simple to me.
Mar 04th 2020
522
                do party stalwarts = voters?
Mar 04th 2020
645
                     ^^^^ And L-O-L
Mar 04th 2020
656
      i have to ask... are you hoping that biden loses?
Mar 04th 2020
514
           you actually think Biden beats Trump?
Mar 04th 2020
517
                i do... if we as democrats get out act together
Mar 04th 2020
519
                I don't think people understand the movement behind Donald Trump
Mar 04th 2020
527
                     but legions of young voters *didnt* vote
Mar 04th 2020
531
                i dont *want* him to lose tho.
Mar 04th 2020
524
if bernie loses the total delegate lead tonight then its prolly a wrap.
Mar 04th 2020
521
It's a wrap.
Mar 04th 2020
523
politics is a muthafucka mayne.
Mar 04th 2020
528
btw what do you think bernies approach will be going forward?
Mar 04th 2020
534
i think performance in the battleground states should be all we need
Mar 04th 2020
613
takeway: for progressives (and i'm including myself here)
Mar 04th 2020
525
Looking forward to Vex's "report card" post.
Mar 04th 2020
532
you’ve got to be partying tonight
Mar 04th 2020
533
      I've never liked Biden.
Mar 04th 2020
536
this tweet from last year:
Mar 04th 2020
535
In the end, the conventional political wisdom came through.
Mar 04th 2020
538
      true. you cant claim to be the best general election candidate
Mar 04th 2020
540
           Oh and there's another thing...
Mar 04th 2020
542
                yup. biden prolly picks up some votes in the rust belt over 2016
Mar 04th 2020
544
shaun king has basically become a straight up disinformation agent
Mar 04th 2020
537
shaun king warning the establishment not to override the will
Mar 04th 2020
547
dude just got put on blast for making up sources close to beto
Mar 04th 2020
548
You mean the nigga who created a charity to send himself mountain climbi...
Mar 04th 2020
550
LOL @ 'even Maddow'. She and her network been against Sanders
Mar 04th 2020
553
dude is the worst
Mar 04th 2020
559
founder of the young turks cenk uygur currently in 5th place
Mar 04th 2020
543
gotdamn, 5th?
Mar 04th 2020
545
      its a jungle primary
Mar 04th 2020
546
i wonder how michael moore feels about this tweet now:
Mar 04th 2020
549
That line almost seemed like an official campaign talking point.
Mar 04th 2020
563
I hope Sanders sees the writing on the wall and throws in the towel soon
Mar 04th 2020
554
I don't see that happening soon at all
Mar 04th 2020
556
Pretty sure Biden’s people hope she stays in.
Mar 04th 2020
561
i hope he doesnt go scorched earth from here on out.
Mar 04th 2020
612
NGL Biden is decent off the teleprompter. That speech in LA
Mar 04th 2020
555
These debates are going to be good theatre.
Mar 04th 2020
558
      *dead* @ the "sniffing" lmaaoo... omg that is so accurate
Mar 04th 2020
569
      really going to be tough to watch if you're serious about it
Mar 04th 2020
570
      Trump is such an anomaly
Mar 04th 2020
571
           The debates are just sporting events now,
Mar 04th 2020
575
                debates dont change ppls minds. it's GREAT theater though.
Mar 04th 2020
576
                     I think the debates decidedly nipped the Bloomberg campaign in the bud
Mar 04th 2020
593
                          definitely. And they gave kamala and Amy their temporary bumps too
Mar 04th 2020
618
Congrats to Biden on a yuge Super Thursday
Mar 04th 2020
560
yeeeeeeeeeeup.
Mar 04th 2020
582
      Doc nothing but love for you man
Mar 04th 2020
631
           play dumb nigga games, win dumb nigga prizes.
Mar 04th 2020
641
Biden has never been my personal favorite
Mar 04th 2020
562
RE: Biden has never been my personal favorite
Mar 04th 2020
568
Jeff Sessions done. Trump goin in on him like John Goodman in Big Lebows...
Mar 04th 2020
565
Where's reaction?
Mar 04th 2020
566
I was wondering that too, it’s quite a few of them absent. Props
Mar 04th 2020
580
OK but yall were ghost before SC stop it
Mar 04th 2020
583
      Nope. Not true. I know y’all hurting right now so I won’t pile on
Mar 04th 2020
600
      I'll admit to that.
Mar 04th 2020
615
           Respect
Mar 04th 2020
625
RE: Where's reaction?
Mar 04th 2020
609
      well said
Mar 04th 2020
716
      The problem is just how naive and/or disingenuous this all is.
Mar 04th 2020
723
Biden would've easily beaten Trump in 2016 but it was Hillary's "turn".
Mar 04th 2020
567
I think Biden's strategy has paid off.
Mar 04th 2020
573
Bloomberg suspends his campaign & endorses Biden (swipe)
Mar 04th 2020
574
all that money that couldve helped Flint, MI
Mar 04th 2020
all that money that couldve helped Flint, MI
Mar 04th 2020
577
he spent 0.8% of his net worth. EAT THE RICH
Mar 04th 2020
581
at least he's gone.
Mar 04th 2020
585
Half a billion dollars
Mar 04th 2020
586
Corn Pop killer!
Mar 04th 2020
578
Biden v. Trump = Cavs down 3-1 to DURANT Warriors
Mar 04th 2020
579
Actual footage of Trump walking down Dem noms in '16 & '20:
Mar 04th 2020
587
DNC got their wish but Biden stands no chance against Trump
Mar 04th 2020
584
The timing was also bad. The market tanking right before Super Tuesday
Mar 04th 2020
590
well that happened
Mar 04th 2020
588
lol..this is an eg of the current dynamic between the Bernieverse and EW...
Mar 04th 2020
592
      what "very correct" contrasts are you referring to?
Mar 04th 2020
594
      Lol I was just talking about what she was saying in that specific clip
Mar 04th 2020
601
      i dont know what she will do or what she should do
Mar 04th 2020
620
Man, that mostly sucked
Mar 04th 2020
589
well-said:
Mar 04th 2020
591
Most reasonable people on the left will vote for Biden over trump
Mar 04th 2020
606
Man his speech was cribbed out of Bernie's 'Manifesto' (sarcasm)
Mar 04th 2020
596
literally never
Mar 04th 2020
599
      I can't believe the aisle-crossing dixiecrat they used to
Mar 04th 2020
603
           Which makes "tack hard right" a likely general election move
Mar 04th 2020
647
I needed to read this. Thanks.
Mar 04th 2020
610
Enjoy the sauce
Mar 04th 2020
595
I can't believe the democrats endorsed a democrat
Mar 04th 2020
602
      Lolol! True colors spilling out. And it ain’t blue. That’s problem
Mar 04th 2020
605
      They endorsed the only life-long Democrat in the primary?
Mar 04th 2020
621
           yikes!
Mar 04th 2020
626
Saw this in a tweet and I agree 100% that it will happen:
Mar 04th 2020
604
The whole thing sucks
Mar 04th 2020
607
I’m actually starting to believe Biden will win
Mar 04th 2020
611
      Could
Mar 04th 2020
614
      Oh, I’ve approached this election ready for the L
Mar 04th 2020
622
           no snark but you might be the curse
Mar 04th 2020
634
                he switched to amy sunday night too
Mar 04th 2020
635
      What is Obama went on the trail for him for MONTHS?
Mar 04th 2020
616
      That would be cool but like Legs said
Mar 04th 2020
627
      it won't be easy but i think he will win
Mar 04th 2020
619
      Trump refusing to debate him would be a gift to him.
Mar 04th 2020
623
           yeah might actually be a win-win for everyone.
Mar 04th 2020
633
           lol I can’t disagree
Mar 04th 2020
646
shaun king just straight up lying like a trump supporter.
Mar 04th 2020
624
Why do you keep linking me to this guy I would otherwise be unaware of?
Mar 04th 2020
630
fam you know you got twitter notifications turned on for him.
Mar 04th 2020
636
LMAO did you come up with Talcum X?
Mar 04th 2020
632
      lol nah thats his most popular nickname.
Mar 04th 2020
639
           damn I've never seen it
Mar 04th 2020
668
disappointing to see so little self-reflection on the left
Mar 04th 2020
628
will you call for self-reflection on the right when Biden loses?
Mar 04th 2020
637
huh?
Mar 04th 2020
640
Joe Biden is a right wing candidate, objectively.
Mar 04th 2020
642
      RE: Joe Biden is a right wing candidate, objectively.
Mar 04th 2020
649
      because it is.
Mar 04th 2020
669
      a lot of garbage takes from you lately. be well brother.
Mar 04th 2020
666
uh what? Same team man
Mar 04th 2020
653
all FACTS but especially this:
Mar 04th 2020
643
I'm curious what would have happened if Bernie hadn't skipped Selma.
Mar 04th 2020
648
right- compete everywhere
Mar 04th 2020
657
was there any explanation given for bernie skipping selma?
Mar 04th 2020
665
It certainly made me have a lower opinion of him, he proclaimed
Mar 04th 2020
672
disappointing night for ‘progressives’ all around.
Mar 04th 2020
654
so apparently dnc rigged an election and launched a coup against bernie
Mar 04th 2020
629
I live in a battleground state and will be staying home this November :)
Mar 04th 2020
644
Lmao do whatever y’all can to assert ur “power” and rage. It may
Mar 04th 2020
650
that is so cool
Mar 04th 2020
651
But thankfully there are three Bernie skeptics to take your place,
Mar 04th 2020
652
oatmeal or chocolate chip?
Mar 04th 2020
658
Dottie will be impressed
Mar 04th 2020
663
ah yes a conservative super majority on the court will be very good
Mar 04th 2020
686
A lot of people are really partying and gloating ... for Biden?
Mar 04th 2020
655
yes??
Mar 04th 2020
659
There is no chance of beating Trump without the progressive base
Mar 04th 2020
661
      RE: There is no chance of beating Trump without the progressive base
Mar 04th 2020
670
      got it. so 'shut up and turn out' is the olive branch?
Mar 04th 2020
673
           maybe don't look for an olive branch
Mar 04th 2020
674
                No need for an olive branch? Yea you're woefully off on this
Mar 04th 2020
679
                this is about 2016, not 2008. tf you talkin about?
Mar 04th 2020
708
                if niggas wanna throw the country away because they lost a primary
Mar 04th 2020
680
                     Oop
Mar 04th 2020
685
                     I'm down
Mar 04th 2020
687
                     LOL sounds an awful lot like 2016 posturing
Mar 04th 2020
688
                          L O L the irony wow
Mar 04th 2020
691
                          the lack of self awareness is astounding fam.
Mar 04th 2020
694
                          I'm gonna type it here, so you niggas see it:
Mar 04th 2020
702
                               yes, doc
Mar 04th 2020
710
                               lol at all this.... its all just feelings and hot takes
Mar 04th 2020
717
                          a lot of yall want biden to lose just so you can be right.
Mar 04th 2020
696
                               w/ the way some of you are talking, you would think Hillary won
Mar 04th 2020
698
                               nobody here is a biden or hillary fan.
Mar 04th 2020
703
                                    we flat out disagree on who is the "worse" option
Mar 04th 2020
705
                                         i meant worse option as in whoever is the nominee vs trump.
Mar 04th 2020
707
                               talk about lack of self-awareness.
Mar 04th 2020
706
                                    turn off the young turks.
Mar 04th 2020
713
      and there's no chance Bernie beats Trump without the moderates
Mar 04th 2020
684
           Yes because the moderates swayed the 2016 gen. election
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           Clinton lost because she is/was very unlikable
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           in that scenario, do you believe they'd give up the chance to oust Trump...
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           Seems like there are progressives/Bernie Bros that would...
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           thanks for being mature good brother.
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this isn't about Biden.
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Yup.
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      if that's where the country ends up being, that's fine.
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      America is in rapid decline
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      no joke that sounds amazing and is what most of us want
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           well said.
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           this was a much needed dose of medicine.
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lol my how the tables have turned. When Biden is, by you all’s own
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honestly bernie stans earned this.
Mar 04th 2020
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theyre like patriots fans without any rings.
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      dead
Mar 04th 2020
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      Biden on Super Tuesday was like the Lebron-era Heat
Mar 04th 2020
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      Is that the best super-team analogy?
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           Interesting. I would have to ask my die-hard Hakeem fan friend
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      damn
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jim clyburn saved the country from socialism.
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lol!
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^ scared of that socialist high literacy producing high-info voters lol
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You can't even wait for a day?
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SURPRISE all the people bernie said sucked...teamed up against him!
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HRC 2.0
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Wow. You’re really bad at this
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Did we discuss Mrs Biden stepping up to defend her man?
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Did we discuss Mrs Biden stepping up to defend her dad?
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had to ask the vegan homie what "Let Dairy Die" was
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aoc with some much needed advice.
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Yes AOC! The women associated with sanders do him and their
Mar 04th 2020
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they are phenomenal.
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repubs gotta be thankful as fuck for her age
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i literally looked up her age last night trying to figure out when...
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do you think she could win a statewide race in ny?
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      that's a reeq question, man
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           lol nah too far left imo.
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                I think you may be right. Howie Hawkins (Green co-founder) has run for
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                apparently he is running for president now too lol.
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                     Oh I know lol. I went down a rabbit hole one day. He's pretty cool tbh.
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                gotcha. guess i'm going largely off the right's obsession with her
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she may ultimately be the enduring legacy of sanders' work
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i think the progressive movement as its defined by bernie is receding.
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perfect. The left has to win more voters
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biden won 60% of voters who didnt vote in 2016 primary.
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did a lot of people stay home in 2016 because they didnt like clinton?
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it sure looks like it.
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probably lack of actual concern over Trump
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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to be fair last time the result was pretty obvious
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Another one
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      a lot of bubble bursting and narrative scrambling.
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1. "Voted early yesterday "
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I’ll say it was more crowded than I’d seen it there in years. Not Nov 2008 crowded (that had a line around the block), but certainly more crowded than the 2016 primaries or even the 2018 midterms. And those years Californians had stuff to vote on down ballot.

I don’t know if you can project out from just Alameda County on a Saturday afternoon, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a pretty large turnout this time around.

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>I’ll say it was more crowded than I’d seen it there in
>years. Not Nov 2008 crowded (that had a line around the
>block), but certainly more crowded than the 2016 primaries or
>even the 2018 midterms. And those years Californians had stuff
>to vote on down ballot.
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>I don’t know if you can project out from just Alameda County
>on a Saturday afternoon, but I wouldn’t be surprised if
>there’s a pretty large turnout this time around.

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2. "powerful gesture of solidarity for the sanders campaign ahead of tuesday"
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A Step Away From Fascism and 'Toward a Brighter More Just Future': 100+ Black Writers and Scholars Endorse Bernie Sanders


"When so much is at stake, not only for Black people but for all people, and all life on the planet, we feel it imperative that we step outside of our classrooms and go beyond our campuses, to speak out on the current presidential election."

by Jon Queally, staff writer


Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) marches with supporters to early vote on February 27, 2020 at Winston-Salem State University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Sanders continues to seek support for the Democratic nomination ahead of Super Tuesday. (Photo: Brian Blanco/Getty Images)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) marches with supporters to early vote on February 27, 2020 at Winston-Salem State University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Sanders continues to seek support for the Democratic nomination ahead of Super Tuesday. (Photo: Brian Blanco/Getty Images)

As South Carolina voters headed to the primary polls and just three days before Super Tuesday, more than 100 black academics, writers, and educators issued a joint letter on Saturday endorsing Sen. Bernie Sanders as they argued the election of the next president "will determine the future trajectory of this country and the world."

"We live in perilous but promising times. What we do or don't do in 2020 in the electoral arena, and beyond, will determine the future trajectory of this country and the world. We invite you to stand with us and support the Bernie Sanders campaign, as one step away from the precipice of fascism and toward a brighter more just future."
"A Sanders presidency would go a long way toward creating a safer and more just world," the endorsment letter states. "The commitment to free college education, the elimination of student debt which so many of our students suffer under, and the enfranchisement of incarcerated citizens, are only some of the reasons we have come to this conclusion."

The academics—including Princeton University's Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Temple University's Marc Lamont Hill, Harvard University's Elizabeth Hinton, and Darrick Hamilton of Ohio State University—also noted Sanders support of a commission to study reparations for slavery and heralded his "staunch commitment to the needs of poor and working people over the course of his career" as key reasons to back his candidacy.

"In this crucible year of 2020, when so much is at stake, not only for Black people but for all people, and all life on the planet," the letter states, "we feel it imperative that we step outside of our classrooms and go beyond our campuses, to speak out on the current presidential election."

"We invite you," it continued, "to stand with us and support the Bernie Sanders campaign, as one step away from the precipice of fascism and toward a brighter more just future."

The letter arrived as voters in South Carolina headed to the polls—a state with the largest population of black voters so far this primary season—and just three days before 14 states vote on Super Tuesday next week.

As Common Dreams reported Wednesday, the latest Reuters/Ipsos national poll showed Sanders leading the Democratic primary field among black voters, with 26% who said they support Sanders. That compared to 21% for Michael Bloomberg, 20% for Joe Biden, and 14% who said they were not sure.

Read the full letter and the list of signatories below:

We are Black scholars, writers and educators whose careers have been devoted to uncovering, analyzing, telling the stories, and uplifting the cultures of African Americans and peoples of the African Diaspora. We are also deeply invested in the freedom of our people and the subjects of our research. In this crucible year of 2020, when so much is at stake, not only for Black people but for all people, and all life on the planet, we feel it imperative that we step outside of our classrooms and go beyond our campuses, to speak out on the current presidential election.

After much research and reflection we have concluded that while imperfect, as we all are, Bernie Sanders, the politics he advocates, the consistent track record he demonstrates, and the powerful policy changes he has outlined, if elected, would make the most far-reaching and positive impact on the lives and condition of Black people, and all people in the United States. A Sanders presidency would go a long way toward creating a safer and more just world. The commitment to free college education, the elimination of student debt which so many of our students suffer under, and the enfranchisement of incarcerated citizens, are only some of the reasons we have come to this conclusion. His support of a commission to study reparations for slavery is another reason for our decision, as well as his staunch commitment to the needs of poor and working people over the course of his career.

At the same time we respect our friends and colleagues that have chosen the other progressive candidate in the race, Elizabeth Warren, and if she wins the primary, we will support her too. Still, we feel it is important to state flatly that we feel a Sanders campaign can win and a Sanders presidency would be a game changer for the people and communities of which we are a part.

While we are not all democratic socialists, we will not be red baited to reject and vilify Bernie Sanders' views. In fact there is a long and strong tradition of Black socialists in the United States and globally that have fought for racial and economic justice, from the great scholar and intellectual, W.E.B. DuBois to labor leader, A. Philip Randolph to legendary civil rights organizer, Ella Baker. So, we see Sanders’ commitment to challenging the ravages of racial capitalism as connected to an ongoing and ideologically diverse Black Freedom Movement.

We live in perilous but promising times. What we do or don't do in 2020 in the electoral arena, and beyond, will determine the future trajectory of this country and the world. We invite you to stand with us and support the Bernie Sanders campaign, as one step away from the precipice of fascism and toward a brighter more just future.

Note: Titles and institutional affiliations are listed for identification purposes only and in no way reflect any institutional endorsement whatsoever. Signers are acting in their capacity as private citizens.

Beatrice J. Adams, Doctoral candidate, History, Rutgers Unviersity
Nikol G. Alexander-Floyd, J.D., Ph.D., Associate Professor, Rutgers University
Laylah Ali, Professor of Art, Williams College
Abdul Alkalimat, Professor Emeritus, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Sam Anderson, Center for the Advancement of Black Education
Herman L. Bennett, Professor of History at the Graduate Center, City University of New York
Carwil Bjork-James, Associate Professor, Vanderbilt University
Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, Professor, Sociology, Duke University
Carole Boyce Davies, Professor of English and Africana Studies, Cornell University
Lisa Brock, Associate Professor of History, Kalamazoo College
Elsa Barkley Brown, Associate Professor of History and Women's Studies, University of Maryland College Park
Nicole A. Burrowes, Assistant Professor, African and African Diaspora Studies Department, University of Texas, Austin
Linda E. Carty, Associate Professor, African American Studies, Syracuse University
Rosa Clemente, Professor, Independent Journalist, Producer
Matthew Countryman, Associate Professor, Departments of History and American Culture University of Michigan
Dana-Ain Davis, Professor, City University of New York
Michael Dawson, John D. MacArthur Professor of Political Science and the College, University of Chicago
Frank Deale, Professor of Law, City University of New York Law School
Ajamu Amiri Dillahunt, Ph.D. Student, Michigan State University
James Counts Early, Former Assistant Secretary for Education and Public Service Smithsonian Institution
Erica R. Edwards, Associate Professor of English, Rutgers University-New Brunswick
Ashley D. Farmer Ph.D., Assistant Professor, History & African & African Diaspora Studies, University of Texas-Austin
Crystal N. Feimster, Professor, Yale University, African American Studies Department American Studies Program, History Department, and Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Program
Jonathan Fenderson, Assistant Professor of African & African-American Studies at Washington University in St. Louis and Associate Editor, The Black Scholar
Johanna Fernández, PhD, Department of History, Baruch College, City University of New York
Bill Fletcher Jr., Independent Scholar and Author, Executive Editor, Global African Worker
Tyrone Forman, Professor, African American Studies and Sociology, University of Illinois at Chicago
Paul Foster, MPA, Emerita Clinical Co-ordinator, Harlem Physician Assistant Program, Sophie Davis School of Biomedical Education, CCNY
Olubukola Gbadegesin, Associate Professor, African American Studies and Art History, Saint Louis University
Adom Getachew, Neubauer Family Assistant Professor of Political Science and the College, University of Chicago
Keedra Gibba, Teacher of History and Social Studies, Francis W. Parker School, Chicago
Dayo Gore, Professor, Ethnic Studies and Critical Gender Studies, University of California, San Diego
Cecilia A. Green, Associate Professor of Sociology, Syracuse University
Josh Guild, Associate Professor of History and African American Studies, Princeton University
Sarah Haley, Associate Professor, University of California, Los Angeles
Darrick Hamilton, Professor and Director, Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at The Ohio State University
Michael G. Hanchard, Gustave C. Kuemmerle Professor and Chair of the Department of Africana Studies, University of Pennsylvania
Diane Harriford, Professor, Department of Sociology, Vassar College
Cheryl I. Harris, Professor, University of California, Los Angeles
Faye V. Harrison, Professor of African American Studies and Anthropology, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Renee Camille Hatcher, Assistant Professor of Law, John Marshall, University of Illinois at Chicago
Kelly Lytle Hernandez, Professor and Thomas E. Lifka Chair in History, University of California, Los Angeles
Marc Lamont Hill, Professor and the Steve Charles Chair in Media, Cities and Solutions, College of Media and Education, Temple University
Elizabeth Hinton, Professor of History and African and African American Studies, Harvard University
Gerald Horne, Moores Professor of History and African American Studies, University of Houston
Zenzele Isoke, Gender, Women & Sexuality Studies, University of Minnesota
Lynette A. Jackson, Associate Professor, Gender and Women’s Studies and Black Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago
Joy James, Ebenzer Fitch Professor of the Humanities, Williams College
Destin Jenkins, Assistant Professor of History, University of Chicago
Ryan Cecil Jobson, Neubauer Family Assistant Professor, Anthropology, University of Chicago
Cheryl Johnson-Odim, Ph.D., Provost Emerita and Professor of History, Dominican University, Illinois
Tracey Johnson, Ph.D. candidate, Rutgers University
Robin D.G. Kelley, Distinguished Professor and Gary B. Nash Endowed Chair in U.S. History, University of California, Los Angeles
Ainsley LeSure, Assistant Professor of Politics, Black Studies Advisory Council, Occidental College
La TaSha Levy, Assistant Professor of American Ethnic Studies, University of Washington-Seattle
R. L’Heureux Lewis-McCoy, Associate Professor, New York University
Toussaint Losier, Assistant Professor, University of Massachusetts – Amherst
Sheldon Bernard Lyke, Assistant Professor at Northern Kentucky University Chase College of Law
Minkah Makalani, Director of the John L. Warfield Center for African and African American Studies, University of Texas at Austin
Austin McCoy, Assistant Professor of History, Auburn University
Deborah E. McDowell, Alice Griffin Professor of English, Director, Carter G. Woodson Institute, University of Virginia
Erik S. McDuffie, Associate Professor, Department of African American Studies, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Mireille Miller-Young, Associate Professor, Feminist Studies, University of California, Santa Barbara
Quincy T. Mills, Associate Professor of History, University of Maryland, College Park
Leith Mullings, Distinguished Professor of Anthropology Emerita, Graduate Center, City University of New York
Donna Murch, Associate Professor of History, Rutgers University
Linda Rae Murray, M.D., MPH, Adjunct Assistant Professor, School of Public Health, University of Illinois at Chicago
Premilla Nadasen, Professor of History, Barnard College, and President of the National Women’s Studies Association (2018 -2020)
Celia E. Naylor, Associate Professor of History and Africana Studies, Barnard College, Columbia University
Rosemary Ndubuizu, Ph.D., Interdisciplinary Scholar, Washington, D.C.
Mark Anthony Neal, James B. Duke Distinguished Professor of African American Studies, Duke University
Prexy Rozell Nesbitt, Presidential Fellow, Chapman University
Margo Okazawa-Rey, Barbara Lee Distinguished Chair, Mills College & Professor Emerita, San Francisco State University
James Padilioni, Jr, Ph.D., Postdoctoral Fellow and Visiting Assistant Professor of Religion, Swarthmore College
Melina Pappademos, Associate Professor of History and Africana Studies, University of Connecticut
Kaneesha Cherelle Parsard, Provost’s Postdoctoral Fellow, English, University of Chicago
Tianna S. Paschel, Associate Professor, University of California, Berkeley
Earl Picard, Independent Scholar, Atlanta, Georgia
Steven C. Pitts, UC Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education
Sherie M. Randolph, Associate Professor of History, Georgia Institute of Technology
Barbara Ransby, Distinguished Professor, African American Studies, Gender and Women’s Studies and History, University of Illinois at Chicago
Ismail Rashid, Professor of History, Vassar College
Aisha Ray, Professor Emerita, Erikson Institute
Shana L. Redmond, Professor, University of California, Los Angeles
Russell Rickford, Associate Professor of History, Cornell University
J. T. Roan, Assistant Professor of African American Studies, School of Transformation, Arizona State University
Francesca T. Royster, Professor, DePaul University
Tanya L. Saunders, Associate Professor, Center for Latin American Studies, University of Florida
Kesho Yvonne Scott, Professor Emerita, Grinnell College
Barbara Smith, Independent Scholar, Albany, New York
Lester Spence, Professor of Political Science and Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University
Robyn C. Spencer, Associate Professor, Lehman College, City University of New York
David Stovall, Professor, Black Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago
Stacey Sutton, Assistant Professor, Urban Planning & Policy, University of Illinois at Chicago
Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Assistant Professor, Department of African American Studies, Princeton University
Ula Y. Taylor, Professor of African American Studies, University of California, Berkeley
Alia R. Tyner-Mullings, Associate Professor, Sociology, Guttman Community College, City University of New York
Melissa M. Valle, Assistant Professor, Sociology and African American Studies, Rutgers University-Newark
Stephen Ward, Department of Afroamerican & African Studies (DAAS), Residential College, University of Michigan
Jakobi Williams, Ruth N. Halls Associate Professor, Indiana University
Naomi R. Williams, PhD, Assistant Professor, Rutgers University
Hazel Carby, Charles C & Dorathea S Dilley Professor of African American Studies & American Studies at Yale University.
George Yancy, Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor of Philosophy, Emory University
Jasmine K. Syedullah, Assistant Professor of Africana Studies, Vassar College

  

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11. "This is one of the more impressive collective endorsements I've ever see..."
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Really is great to see - especially with how thoughtfully presented the argument for Sanders is.

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3. "If polling is anywhere near accurate, Bernard should have a big day. "
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If he comes out of Tuesday the clear front-runner and Warren is still in distant 4th, her supporters are going to have to stop lying to themselves.

  

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7. "Funny, I didn’t notice any of ur replies in the SC prim post after"
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The results. Yet here u are lol

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15. "? All the polling indicated he would be 2nd, and he was. "
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And that still doesn't change the reality. So here we are.

  

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19. "He was crushed, y’all thought it would be close .Granny and dem don’..."
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Fuck with dude! And granny and dem vote errytime!

What’s he gonna do to bring Black ppl at large behind his banner? Deploying Nina Turner didn’t work

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33. "Meanwhile, he’s polling ahead in CA, TX , WI. Shrug. "
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78. "We’ll see! Most of that polling was pre SC and pre Mayor Pete’s exit..."
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But polls aren’t the issue! How is he going to unit the party around him and where are these new voters he promised?

If I have to settle for Bernie as the nom I want him to win, yet 50-60 percent of dem voters so far have NOT chosen him

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49. "unfortunately we have to (re: warren)"
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I still think she is the strongest presidential candidate on the field and if she's still on the ballot in MD, I still intend to vote for her.

but unless she performs really well on Tuesday, I am willing to accept that she really does not have a path to the nomination :o(
In that case then, I prefer Biden over Bernie.
But as with all things, we shall see.

I will say though, I am getting less and less excited about the nov election. I intend to vote because anyone but the idiot-in-charge
but from where we started? This process has been disappointing.

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4. "Popular vote totals between Bernie and Biden Super Tuesday"
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With Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina the popular vote total is:

Sanders: 233,989
Biden: 307,490


Those two numbers will appear small after polls close on Wednesday - actual states where people actually live are going to vote.

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5. "Bernie didn't show up for the Edmund Pettus Bridge Bloody Sunday march"
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https://twitter.com/scottdetrow/status/1233541632915582977

Right now, commemoration events in Selma on Sunday are NOT on Bernie Sanders’ public schedule. Most other candidates will be there. Sanders has done these events in the past and has a packed cross-country schedule, but given his constant Civil Rights call-outs that’s notable.

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He wrote the South off the last time he ran.

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23. "lol Sanders is either 1st or a close 2nd with Black voters nationally"
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Last week, the Reuters-Ipsos poll found Sanders besting Biden by three points nationally among black voters. An NBC-Wall Street Journal poll found Biden up two among black voters, while the Hill/HarrisX poll had Sanders up nine. A Morning Consult survey recently found Sanders beating Biden by five among all black primary voters, and thumping him by a 3-1 margin among black voters under 45.

Also - Sanders got 30% of the Black vote in Nevada - finishing a very close second to Biden there. He is dominating the young Black vote and polls very well with Black voters from more progressive regions of the country.

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89. "So we can trust NBC and Wallstreet when it's not a negative story"
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about Bernie.

>Last week, the Reuters-Ipsos poll found Sanders besting Biden
>by three points nationally among black voters. An NBC-Wall
>Street Journal poll found Biden up two among black voters,
>while the Hill/HarrisX poll had Sanders up nine. A Morning
>Consult survey recently found Sanders beating Biden by five
>among all black primary voters, and thumping him by a 3-1
>margin among black voters under 45.
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>Also - Sanders got 30% of the Black vote in Nevada - finishing
>a very close second to Biden there. He is dominating the
>young Black vote and polls very well with Black voters from
>more progressive regions of the country.
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Well Bernie should take it all tomorrow according to this, put out your prediction with specifics for Super Tuesday.

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10. "Candidates have to be strategic in this very limited window of time"
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There are many competitive contests with tight races on Super Tuesday (Virginia, Mass., Minnesota, North Carolina, Texas to name a few) - but Alabama isn't one of them. It's a state that shares similar demography to South Carolina - and Biden's the inevitable victor there. Sanders should be spending as much time as possible in Virginia, Texas, Mass. & North Carolina.

  

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16. "All the other candidates showed up, even the one who dropped out."
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>There are many competitive contests with tight races on Super
>Tuesday (Virginia, Mass., Minnesota, North Carolina, Texas to
>name a few) - but Alabama isn't one of them. It's a state
>that shares similar demography to South Carolina - and Biden's
>the inevitable victor there. Sanders should be spending as
>much time as possible in Virginia, Texas, Mass. & North
>Carolina.

The other candidates in the race need those states more than he does.

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6. "Sanders-linked group entered into racial discrimination NDA"
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Sanders-linked group entered into racial discrimination NDA
By BRIAN SLODYSKO and WILL WEISSERT
February 28, 2020


WASHINGTON (AP) — A political advocacy group founded by Bernie Sanders entered into a nondisclosure agreement with an African American political consultant that bars her from discussing a lawsuit alleging racial discrimination at the organization and the Vermont senator’s 2016 presidential campaign.

The consultant, Tezlyn Figaro, confirmed the existence of the nondisclosure agreement to The Associated Press without providing additional details.

The deal is tied to a 2019 lawsuit in which Figaro said she was fired from the Sanders-created political group Our Revolution a year earlier due to her race and in “retaliation for complaining about the organization’s treatment towards her and African-Americans.” The lawsuit was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount of money. Though the lawsuit was aimed at Our Revolution, it included broad criticism of Sanders’ campaign, arguing an all-white leadership staff “was accused of racism” by black staffers and failed to engage black voters.

Nondisclosure agreements, or NDAs, have become common in presidential campaigns and political organizations in recent years as tools to guard against the release of private data, strategic conversations or other proprietary information. But such deals have become increasingly controversial as people alleging that they’re victims of sexual harassment and misconduct or, in Figaro’s case, racial discrimination have said they’re prevented from publicly sharing their stories.

Billionaire Mike Bloomberg, one of Sanders’ Democratic presidential race rivals, has faced criticism for the use of nondisclosure agreements at his company in cases related to sexual harassment. The former New York mayor has said he’s willing to release three women from nondisclosure agreements related to comments he was accused of making in the past.

Sanders has acknowledged the mistreatment of women and minorities who worked on his 2016 campaign, and his advisers say they’ve taken corrective measures for his second run. Now the front-runner for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, Sanders frequently says he is building a “multiracial, multi-generational movement” that will appeal to the broad coalition needed to win the primary and defeat President Donald Trump.

But legal experts say that argument could be undermined by a nondisclosure agreement that prevents a woman of color who has criticized Sanders’ record on race from talking about her experience.

“Anyone running for the presidency should be accountable to the electorate, and we should have access to the full set of information,” said Debra S. Katz, a prominent employment attorney in Washington who has donated to Elizabeth Warren’s campaign. “If the allegations are about his campaign and running a racist operation, he should direct this organization to let her out of those non-disparagement obligations and talk about it.”

Figaro was the director of racial justice for Sanders’ 2016 campaign, then worked on black outreach issues for Our Revolution. According to federal court records, her case against Our Revolution was settled in July 2019 for an undisclosed amount.

Figaro confirmed the existence of the NDA but declined to comment further. Her attorney, Anthony J. Hall, said he could not comment on the terms of the settlement.

A spokesman for Our Revolution did not respond to multiple requests for comment. The Sanders campaign said it couldn’t comment on the specifics of the case, arguing the campaign can’t legally have insight into the activities of Our Revolution.

In a statement, Sanders campaign spokeswoman Sarah Ford said, “We oppose using NDAs to silence the victims of toxic workplace issues.”

After his effort to win the 2016 Democratic nomination failed, Sanders founded Our Revolution to keep up the momentum from the campaign. The group has employed current and former Sanders presidential staffers but operates independently from his campaign, though it has raised millions of dollars to support his current bid.

Figaro’s roughly yearlong tenure at Our Revolution was tumultuous.

She was brought on by former Our Revolution President Nina Turner, a top Sanders surrogate who is now national co-chair of his 2020 campaign. When Turner tried to make Figaro Our Revolution’s chief of staff, board members objected.

Past comments Figaro made about immigration on Twitter and as a pundit on Fox News quickly surfaced and drew rebuke, with critics and some Our Revolution staffers saying that they were anti-immigrant.

“If AMERICAN black folks can go to jail when they break the law then certainly so can an illegal immigrant,” she said in one tweet.

“U r being distracted abt ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS meanwhile more blacks are under prison/parole control in in 2010 than were enslaved in 1850,” she wrote in another.

Figaro, who had long worked as a consultant to Turner, publicly apologized but was fired. Our Revolution was aware of her past comments when she was hired, according to her lawsuit. Turner didn’t respond to a request for comment.

In the past, Figaro defended herself by noting that her comments echoed what Sanders has previously said.

“If poverty is increasing and if wages are going down, I don’t know why we need millions of people to be coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages than American workers and drive wages down even lower than they are now,” Sanders said in a 2007 television interview explaining why he opposed a bipartisan immigration bill.

Sanders’ campaign says its key to victory in the 2020 Democratic primary and general election is to dramatically grow the electorate, appealing to working-class Americans and minorities who have often felt disillusioned with the political system.

Sanders’ campaign manager, Faiz Shakir, is the first Muslim American to lead a presidential campaign. Sanders likens his movement to the civil rights struggle, and he often mentions his own activist past, including getting arrested during protests decrying racism while at the University of Chicago in the 1960s. He has worked hard to woo minority groups, which has energized many young voters.

But in 2016, black staffers who were hired by Sanders to conduct African American outreach say the campaign did not take them seriously. Minority staffers said they were sent to do other tasks, like driving people around, instead of courting the black voters Sanders said he wanted to win.

“People will say it’s not a racial issue,” said John Solomon, who was based in Atlanta for the 2016 campaign and said he was sometimes assigned responsibilities that were outside of his job description. “But if I’m hired to gain support from African Americans and you go direct me to do something other than reach out to the African American community, what are we doing?”

After the black outreach team booked several successful events, including a rally at historically black Morehouse College in Atlanta, resources dwindled and black outreach staffers say Sanders’ campaign began brushing them off.

His campaign has acknowledged Sanders’ past failings and said it is trying to right them now.

Sanders has invested heavily in Spanish-language television advertising and organized dozens of events meant to appeal to Hispanic voters, including soccer tournaments for volunteers in Iowa and Texas and a town hall in Spanish led by New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in Nevada. His backers affectionately call him “Tio” (Uncle) Bernie.

His campaign says that outreach helped him appeal to minorities who participated in satellite caucuses in Iowa and drove his win in Nevada decisively last weekend. He has said he can win Saturday’s Democratic primary in South Carolina, where the support of black voters is crucial.

But Solomon said the existence of Figaro’s nondisclosure agreement reinforces his experience on the 2016 campaign.

“I know he wants to move past this, but I feel that he still has some work to do,” Solomon said.

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9. "Bernie should be the big winner on Tuesday and thus get the"
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Nom. I’m ready for him to emerge as the clear front runner (not based on the minuscule amount of delegates from Iowa, NH and Nevada) so I can start seeing how he is going to unite the party Behind him and actually beat trump

So far his unchanging rhetoric doesn’t convince me he can do that, it may warm his nutzo supporters hearts but it’s not a message of consensus building

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13. "He can't unite the party. "
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If he gets the nom we may as well gift wrap Trump another term.

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18. "He already has. He has the deepest, broadest coalition on the left. "
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If you want to win, he's the nominee.

  

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21. "Lmao. Aren’t y’all always going on about numbers...the 20 something "
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Percent he got in three of the four first contest doesn’t exactly read as deep or broad to me, but ok! If u say so

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32. "Math ain’t your friend, huh? "
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80. "no I think it’s not urs. His numbers so far don’t demonstrate broad "
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Support. Deep maybe, as I said before many of u lunatics will follow him into a cauldron of acid if he convinces u it’s part of his purity test

But the majority of us remain unconvinced, convince us! Thanks

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20. "i don’t think he can either. I was watching a lot of clips of White fo..."
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Saying they wouldn’t vote for him, some who voted for trump in 16 but said they regretted it but will vote for him again if it’s between him and sanders

I really hope he can, if he gets the nom(which looks likely) I want him to win

If he can’t win those ppl over I need to see all these new voters he is bringing to the table, I haven’t seen them yet...AT ALL

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197. "this expectation is odd to me at this point"
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bc let's be honest...

none of the dems can unite the dems

it's too splintered...the divide between the far left and the moderates is basically not much different than the far left and the far right at this point

bernie can't unite, biden can't, none of the rest have the numbers to do more than them in that area...

the only person that can even do that at this point is...Trump

so yea, he does appeal across more demographics

bernie might not have all of the black vote but yts seem to have preferred Pete to Biden lol

Warren is still my fav and i think a lot of her missteps are good calculus but that she just never had a strong enough foundation to topple bernie...depending on how things look...i may still vote for warren so but her aiming for a brokered convention is basically not reading the writing on the wall...she may as well just endorse biden if that's the strategy she wants to take



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17. "Buttigieg drops out "
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Wow - pretty surprising. He had to miss some events because of illness - but he probably bowed out realizing he was not able to grow his base of support. Definitely overachieved and has a lot to be proud of. Wouldn’t be surprised if he worked a deal with Biden with the convention in mind.

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22. "As like the only person rooting for him on here,,"
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I guess I should respond lol

Yall hate him, I know. But imagine if MSM was reporting this about Bernie out of nowhere? You'd be taken aback and want a safe space to vent. So bear with me on this at minimum as a fellow politics junkie lol.


I'm... a bit shocked, heartbroken, but also angry.


-Shocked, because I was starting to worry this might happen.. but def after ST. Furthermore, this was released kind of shadily... like they're still actively hosting a fundraising drive, posted that memo detailing what they viewed as a path to the nom, and were promoting a rally in TX tonight plus one in MI on ST. PLUS no official word from his campaign or any comms staff about it on twitter.. like at least Steyer put up a tweet. It's just very, very, unlike the campaign and leads me to believe that this decision came from HIGH fucking up. Like, a call directly from Obama or perhaps through Carter, who Pete met with this morning (which I'll come back to later about why this angers me). It may have also been the Dem estab that leaked to the media ahead of the campaign too, to make it binding.

-Heartbroken.. largely because I truly do believe he was the best candidate in terms of his specific platform, character, and the fact that I don't think Boomers should be trusted to drive themselves long distances anymore talk more of holding elected office (lol). I was also excited for someone from my generation to finally step up and go for this level of leadership. Unlike many, I *don't* believe decades stewing in DC is necessarily a good thing, I think Biden and Bernie's obvious cognitive decline and cardiovascular issues (respectively) are disqualifying, and I just personally think our generation is a lot smarter and better adapted to modern times to forge a new path ahead. His messaging and platform resonated with me A LOT.

-Angry for 2 main reasons:
-1, I'm fucking sick of how the Dem establishment ALWAYS does him like this lol. When he ran for DNC chair, he got pressured from the left (directly from Bernie, for Keith Ellison) AND Center (directly from Obama, for Tom Perez) to drop out so those 2 could duke it out on the next ballot. He dropped out immediately. He spent time since helping out Dems in other races and, in general, has simply been a good Dem. The idea of them pulling that shit on him again disgusts me. I don't think they have a good read on shit (as per '16), and I'm not confident that either Biden or Bernie would win against 45 ( which I vent about here
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13367410&mesg_id=13367410&page=2#13368575).

-2, the level of homophobia and general dehumanization that was thrown at this man was truly disgusting. He received death threats, calls to be hung. The first response under one of the MSM tweets about this was someone calling him a fa**ot. It was a lot. And frustrating since he intentionally ran one of the most positive campaigns this cycle (https://peteforamerica.com/rules-of-the-road/). It was very disappointing/discouraging to see, but their ongoing moral leadership in that regard was another draw to the campaign.

So ya. End rant. Onward I guess. I'll still follow the blow by blow, but mostly just for the stats and the odd policy/politics critiques as I've been doing lol.

  

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27. "*black grandmom hug + back rub*"
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28. "lol! "
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thanks reeq

  

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40. "nope I was waving the buttigieg banner"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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41. "dude sucked and his politics sucked"
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he couldn't win statewide in indiana, the idea he could pull together people nationally was always bullshit.

his whole steez is fake, and because he was selling that "I'm a midwesterner, I know what's up in real america" bullshit it was fucking annoying


klobuchar is the same way, but I don't actually mind when a politician is openly a snake, because that's kinda what you need to be,

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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47. "i feel for you"
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him dropping out definitely shocked me. i do think something happened behind the scenes. im guessing he lost some financial support to biden and was pretty much told he was on his own if he kept going.

it would have been good to see him pick up steam after iowa and new hampshire. im sure we havent heard the last of him though.

  

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71. "lol thx"
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86. "ive mostly come to terms with warren being done"
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i kind of dont want her to get my hopes up tomorrow lol just bring on bernie vs biden

  

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87. "if It makes a difference, he was starting to win me back over, slightly ..."
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And he definitely has a future ahead of him and as gay man I’m proud of what he accomplished and relieved that he had significant support

For me, I was initially excited about him but once that presser with the family of the unarmed man who was murdered was shown and the subsequent info revealed about how the police force in south bend became more white under his leadership, I was turned off. If the Black folks that know you best aren’t sold then I can’t really get behind it.

But he had a good, pragmatic message and is obviously very politically savvy. He will be stronger in whatever he does next, and I did think he made a sincere (albeit late) effort to be more in tune with Black folks and our unique issues in this country.

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24. "that should be the nail in the coffin for ia/nh prominence."
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the delegate leader from the 1st 2 states is largely nonviable and finished after the next 2.

  

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26. "the only reason he was the 'delegate' leader is because of"
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poll spiking and general incomptence. death knell of caucusing.

the order don't matter.

  

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30. "youre really riding hard for keeping iowa 1st huh? lol."
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not sure why youre splitting hairs here but...

lets say pete wasnt the leader and was just a close top 2. does that make the early state dissonance any less damning?

candidates pour millions of dollars into airwaves, ground game, and party building in a state with very little electoral/delegate consequence...but a ton of narrative/momentum consequence. and the winner or 2nd place finisher might be completely out of the race after only 2 states with actual non white populations start voting.

how does a self-styled black progressive defend giving a 90% white state undue influence over the nomination process for a party thats 40% non white?



  

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>how does a self-styled black progressive defend giving a 90%
>white state undue influence over the nomination process for a
>party thats 40% non white?

because being progressive means that you don't get sucked into vacuous check box diversity "politics" at the cost of undoing democracy. might as well have California go first if we're really playing those games. then motherfuckers would be like "YOU LET THOSE OVERPOPULATED STATES ON THE COAST..."

getting rid of undemocratic norms like the caucus method, and the electoral college are more relevant than the racial makeup of a state voting. votes > all.

Iowa at least has a chance (in current day) of voting Democratic in the general (they have in winning Democratic contests). not true for those states in the deep South where most of the Democratic voters are Black, somehow. 2008 was the only time that happened.

move to eliminate the electoral college and it becomes a moot point.

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42. "diversity politics undoing democracy? really?"
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>because being progressive means that you don't get sucked into
>vacuous check box diversity "politics" at the cost of undoing
>democracy. might as well have California go first if we're
>really playing those games. then motherfuckers would be like
>"YOU LET THOSE OVERPOPULATED STATES ON THE COAST..."

yeah the same motherfuckers who relegate/reduce things to 'check box diversity politics'. im honestly surprised to see you take that approach. are you gonna blame cancel culture and woke sjw's next?

we are talking about simply moving other states on to the same day. not getting rid of iowa entirely. why is that so threatening to you and how is democracy being undone? clue me in.


>Iowa at least has a chance (in current day) of voting
>Democratic in the general (they have in winning Democratic
>contests). not true for those states in the deep South where
>most of the Democratic voters are Black, somehow. 2008 was the
>only time that happened.
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>move to eliminate the electoral college and it becomes a moot
>point.

i mean...youre advocating for the very effect/intent of the electoral college tho. giving undue political representation to a rural/white minority.

dems cant change the electoral college. they can change their nomination process to better reflect the reality of their party tho.

youre also ignoring the effect that the nominee has on downballot races/candidates in those deep south states. the top of the ticket is consequential to governor, senate, house, state legislature, etc wins/loses in a lot of them. im not sure why you would choose to minimize the black voices in those states simply because a dem prez wouldnt likely win.

  

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the proposed alternative is just doing IA, NH, NV, SC all on the same day so you can get a broader swath all at once and therefore minimize the noise of very specific demographics...we'd have weeks free now if Pete, Klo, Steyer, and friends all got out the way sooner than super tuesday and they won't get that unsustainable media bump that really only serves to confuse voters on down the line


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25. "I'm pessimistic about VA esp. if this is a Biden/Bernie race"
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that's Federal Government central. you would think someone ostensibly campaigning on more federal government would run away with it, but Biden represents the old guard that's become associated with the federal government pre-Trump.

they're gonna John Kerry this shit.

  

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31. "maybe federal govt workers know best"
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who would actually keep the lights on and make the federal govt work?

someone with a history of actually getting legislation through both chambers of congress and signed, negotiating difficult compromises, reaching consensus agreements on spending/appropriations, etc?

just a possibility.

i have no idea why yall always assign ulterior/unscrupulous motives to people supporting candidates other than bernie.

but its getting borderline 'deep state'-ish.

  

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38. "because"
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>i have no idea why yall always assign ulterior/unscrupulous
>motives to people supporting candidates other than bernie.

these motherfuckers in major publications and cable news have been doing it repeatedly this election cycle.

it doesn't have to be "deep state" when it happens in plain sight.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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39. "i have no idea what your beef with mainstream media"
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has to do with federal govt *workers* in nova (keyword: workers)...who are mostly the type of folks who had their entire lives upended after missing a few checks during the govt shutdown.

ordinary americans...just trying to pay their bills and feed their families...who vote for people they believe will help them with that.

why are they a part of your anti-bernie conspiracy/collusion theory?

  

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35. "NoVa isn't all Raytheon Acres"
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I'd be pleased to imagine that I taught some of the nerds that put a socialist in the state legislature in Manassas. I realize that's beyond the beltway, but it's close enough.

Sanders was polling a wee bit ahead there recently, so we'll see. But I've been really nervous too because the folks with money in that area are, maybe the best way to say this is - not interested in the using the power of the Democratic party for objectives that I'd like to see.

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37. "that's more of what I was thinking, didn't know how to phrase it"
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>I'd be pleased to imagine that I taught some of the nerds
>that put a socialist in the state legislature in Manassas. I
>realize that's beyond the beltway, but it's close enough.
>
>Sanders was polling a wee bit ahead there recently, so we'll
>see. But I've been really nervous too because the folks with
>money in that area are, maybe the best way to say this is -
>not interested in the using the power of the Democratic party
>for objectives that I'd like to see.

and Lee Carter is that dude.
the one thing I'll always remember him for is not for what he actually did, but Democrats in the House of Delegates around him did trying to be cute: hold up signs with the Soviet Union flag.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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247. "it takes less words to say racist"
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>I'd be pleased to imagine that I taught some of the nerds
>that put a socialist in the state legislature in Manassas. I
>realize that's beyond the beltway, but it's close enough.
>
>Sanders was polling a wee bit ahead there recently, so we'll
>see. But I've been really nervous too because the folks with
>money in that area are, maybe the best way to say this is -
>not interested in the using the power of the Democratic party
>for objectives that I'd like to see.

while still meaning the same thing. many well to do white liberals are fine with diversity and all that....as long as it doesn't stain their clothing.

  

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34. "turnout among 1st time voters is down in early states."
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from 2016 where their turnout was already pretty dismal.

obviously not just limited to bernie. but this young voter 'revolution' promised by sanders and his supporters just isnt materializing so far.

mind you...this is all following record youth turnout in the 2018 midterms. so the potential energy has been shown to be there by other candidates/campaigns.

this was written before sc but sc continued the same trend.

https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/1232296208837771265
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The first three nominating contests reveal a fundamental challenge for Bernie Sanders’s political revolution: He may be winning, but not because of his longstanding pledge to expand the Democratic base

https://t.co/qgeMBYive1
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/24/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-voters.html
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The share of the electorate made up of first-time Democratic voters also decreased in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada compared with 2016. And unlike four years ago, when Mr. Sanders mobilized far more first-time voters than Hillary Clinton did (averaging a 30-point lead over Mrs. Clinton across the three states), he had only a modest 10-point edge over his closest rival, Mr. Buttigieg, in that metric this time around.
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so sanders was barely beating out p booty in turning out 1st time voters? yikes.

anyone wanna try to spin this or can we all just accept this as a red flag that needs to be addressed asap?

  

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43. "Only thing that matters is turnout in swing states"
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No need to focus on polls and trends in states that aren’t in play or solid Dem territory.

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72. "or...that overall turnout is actually UP"
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82. "Where are the new voters BBs? The rapid holdovers from 16 "
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Won’t be enuff.

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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92. "Where’s Warren voters.. new, old, black, white? Lmao"
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97. "Warrens not getting the nom. Stay ur dumbass out of grown folks "
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Convos and out of political posts lol. This ain’t for u

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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113. "^^^ YOU NAH TEEEEEE"
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204. "They complain about the Bro’s and then post threats"
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and insults

Lmao.

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198. "U Maaaaaad "
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240. "lol"
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101. "turn out seems to be matching 2008 no?"
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that was pretty big. it would be nice to see higher turn out but is it realistic?

its only 4 states. lets see what happens tomorrow. i think looking at states that haven grown and battle ground states turn out might be more important. maybe not.

  

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44. "Abby Phillip of CNN: Pete's goal was to limit Bernie's delegate lead"
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https://twitter.com/thepopcornreel/status/1234267651192418304?s=20

Yes - that same Abby Phillip whom CNN weaponized against Sanders in that horribly choreographed CNN "debate":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAxxtRHAtro

As it turns out - Pete wasn't running against Donald Trump. He was running to thwart Sanders? lol.

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45. "If that was his goal then I am all for it. Bravo Pete."
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46. "LOL #NeVaRsAnDeRs"
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48. "You can pop that teen response shit all you want, Sanders will lose to"
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Trump.

There’s no way around it.

The second Sanders is the nominee it’s an instant win for Trump.

I don’t want my country falling apart even more than it already is so no Sanders simply cannot be the nominee.

You’re a white man I don’t expect you to understand this since you reap all the benefits here and people of color are having it horrible.

  

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51. "If your concern was beating Trump - supporting Sanders is pragmatic"
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All of the available data shows Sanders being a very strong general election candidate to beat Trump.

You actually think Bloomberg is going to beat Trump? Pete? Biden? Make the case.

The people who often lecture about vanity politics are the very ones engaging in the most egregious form of vanity politics.
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54. "Polls had Hillary beating Trump, so polling isn’t perfect."
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57. "Polls also showed that Sanders was stronger than Clinton v. Trump"
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in 2016:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/08/georgians-bernie-sanders-president/pro-sanders-group-target-about-their-candidates-po/

So again - who do you think is the strongest candidate to defeat Trump?


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67. "Lmao I just told you polls were wrong in 2016"
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And your response was to show me another poll for that time period to support your point?

Makes no sense.

To answer your question I don’t think any of the current crop can beat Trump, we are better off having a brokered convention and finding someone else to try.

Who that person is, I don’t know, but whoever it is the rest of the candidates should team of rivals it and become surrogates for that candidate so everyone wins (Biden for Secretary of State, Kamala for AG, Bernie for HHS, Warren for Treasury, etc).

  

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69. "So you're advocating for ignoring all the data?"
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And pushing for a brokered convention where the candidate with the plurality of delegates is denied in favor of a "unity candidate" selected by Super Delegates?

This is how we beat Trump in 2020?

Yikes.



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77. "Polls are hardly all the data,tho.Especially if the sampling is fucked"
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which I've been suspecting, since they were so wrong in '16 and continue to be way off this cycle.

Edit: I've seen value looking at other proxies... like votes cast, fundraising, organizational infrastructure, enthusiasm/crowd sizes, etc.

Other thing is, a plurality of delegates isn't a majority, right? So, tbf, a nominating the candidate with only a plurality of delegates on first ballot would actually be going against the *majority* of voters. It shouldn't really be viewed as "denying" the plurality holder anything. Viewing a plurality as an "advantage" in further deliberations seems fair tho. Just no guarantee *shrug*


>And pushing for a brokered convention where the candidate
>with the plurality of delegates is denied

  

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83. "What criteria do you suggest we use when assessing candidates"
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and their strength in a prospective head to head matchup vs. Trump?

Polls? Grassroots support? Campaign infrastructure? Ability to build a coalition? Resources on hand? None of the above?

How do you assess who is the strongest candidate vs. Trump - and who do you surmise has the best chance against him in a general election?

Pointing out that polls are wrong is definitely fair. They certainly can be wrong - but now we're compiling up actual data points (from voter trends in the primary). Should we ignore that too?

>Other thing is, a plurality of delegates isn't a majority,
>right? So, tbf, a nominating the candidate with only a
>plurality of delegates on first ballot would actually be going
>against the *majority* of voters. It shouldn't really be
>viewed as "denying" the plurality holder anything. Viewing a
>plurality as an "advantage" in further deliberations seems
>fair tho. Just no guarantee *shrug*

Think about what you're suggesting here - and whether this would be a productive process.

There is historical precedent for such a scenario in modern political history: the infamous 1968 Chicago Democratic National Convention, where Hubert Humphrey was awarded the nomination despite not competing in any primary elections.

The fiasco resulted in bloodshed, as angry, predominately young protesters were attacked by Chicago police officers. Humphrey went on to be defeated handily by Richard Nixon.

A repeat of that is going to unify the party and defeat Trump?



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91. "You think a brokered convention with a brand new name is goin to win? "
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I don’t think so...

best bet is to stop being scared and try the guy who can also pull independents.

If Dems aren’t petty like the Bro’s... totem Bernie will have the bigger draw.

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52. "RE: You can pop that teen response shit all you want, Sanders will lose ..."
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>Trump.
>
>There’s no way around it.

Oh?

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/fox-news-poll-shows-top-democratic-candidates-beating-trump


>I don’t want my country falling apart even more than it
>already is so no Sanders simply cannot be the nominee.

Not yours, ours

  

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60. "* hell yeah"
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>Not yours, ours
>
>

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65. "Bernie beats Trump in 4/5 swing states, ties in 5th"
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https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1233024837729296386?s=20

  

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62. "What's wrong with that?"
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I doubt he got in initially just to "thwart" Sanders. But at this point he probably realizes that he doesn't have a realistic path to victory.


Maybe he doesn't like Sanders (or he likes Biden). Or maybe he doesn't think Sanders has a good chance to win against Trump. By stepping out, it increases the likelihood of his next best alternative.

Should he stay in just to get his handful of delegates in each state? All at the expense of someone else that he would prefer to win the nomination.
Do you have a problem with endorsements too?

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68. "This is the goal of everyone currently still running that is not Bernie."
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lol

Didn't Warren's camp come right out and say it recently also??


It's super obvious and not controversial. Sanders is also running to pull delegates from the Dem establishment (which, in his view, comprises all the actual Dem candidates)

  

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94. "Yeah.. everyone is running to pull delegates"
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At least Pete got out.

Amy and Warren need to go too. They aren’t winning anything significant.

Just go

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162. "can't call it a conspiracy 'theory' when it's happening in plain sight"
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50. "pretty significant shifts heading into super tuesday"
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i do think biden gets a bump from his sc win. pete might be getting a lot of the news right now but i think about half his support goes to biden. maybe warren gets most of the rest followed by bernie. more than tom dropping out, pete will help some candidates get over 15% in a few states. this is bad for bernie but i dont know how significant in the end.

after sc amy should have dropped out too. warren is projected to pick up a decent amount of delegates tomorrow and raised a lot of money in feb but i find it hard to say she shouldnt drop out either. before pete dropped out i expected her to underperform the projections. maybe she does meet them now.

i dont know how it turns into anything besides bernie vs biden at this point. would need some pretty surprising results tomorrow.

  

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53. "RE: pretty significant shifts heading into super tuesday"
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>i do think biden gets a bump from his sc win. pete might be
>getting a lot of the news right now but i think about half his
>support goes to biden.

half? Where did you see that? All of the data I've seen shows this:

"21% of Buttigieg’s supporters said their second choice was Sen. Bernie Sanders; 19% picked former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and 17% chose former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg." Source: Morning Consult

I've seen similar polls showing more/less the same information. I think we always need to be careful about assuming where voters may ferry over to. It's never as cut/dry as it seems.

But I do agree that Pete dropping out *should* help moderate candidates - but it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

>after sc amy should have dropped out too. warren is projected
>to pick up a decent amount of delegates tomorrow and raised a
>lot of money in feb but i find it hard to say she shouldnt
>drop out either.

If both Amy and Warren dropped out - Sanders would decisively win both Minnesota & Massachusetts - so it seems them staying in the race serves to stave off Sanders. It's becoming a delegate collection exercise, it seems.


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56. "just a gut feeling"
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if you were about to vote for pete tomorrow who would you switch your vote to? i dont think that many pete supporters were very high on bernie anymore. i think many of those had already switched.

its mostly become pro-bernie vs anti-bernie at this point. i would guess most of petes oldest supporters would switch to biden. i think a lot of them switch to warren because they see her as the next chance to "unify" the party.

in the end its less than 10% of the vote. not sure that will matter much to bernie or biden. it might be enough to get warren over 15% though.

amy has to just be in it to get the win at home. i dont see her sticking around. maybe if biden bombs tomorrow but i doubt that happens.

if warren doesnt come out of tomorrow with a realistic chance at second in overall delegates i dont think it makes sense for her to stick around.

  

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59. "Pete had a lot of bouts throughout this primary - not just w/ Sanders"
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the "wine cave Pete" attack from Warren pissed off a lot of his supporters. His rivalry with Klobuchar was very real and heated as well. Pete seemed to go the softest on Biden & Bloomberg (no surprise there) - but I don't know that his supporters will go overwhelmingly for either of those. Pete's supporters mainly rocked w/ the "turn the page" motto - and favored him as a fresh face that drew upon obama level nostalgia in terms of the rhetoric and presence he tried to emulate.

>its mostly become pro-bernie vs anti-bernie at this point.

Regrettably - it seems to be shaping up that way - but I think that's more the case for the party power brokers than it is the voters. Obviously the gravy train stops and the party experiences real, structural change if Sanders gets in. There are a lot of people whose careers would be in jeopardy if that were to happen.



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63. "the 'revolutionary politics of the 60s' swipe at Sanders"
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during the last debate really did not sit well with older LGBTQ voters that were very pro-Pete. His total lack of understanding that his run could never have happened if it wasn't for progressives willing to stand against the status quo during that time just further spoke to his manufactured persona.

>>its mostly become pro-bernie vs anti-bernie at this point.

On this website at least, the anti-bernie crowd were super quiet a week ago. Good to see them back on the boards with Biden's win in SC

  

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64. "Politics is when we wait until something polls at 51%"
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... an event that occurs without any exercise of persuasion or power, and then we vote for it and it happens, right?

I don't see what people are getting wound up about. Seems like Buttigieg has a pretty clear understanding of 20th century history.

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76. "I'm sure he had a team crunching numbers while he furiously updated"
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his Wikipedia page. Calibrating the risk factor of holding certain unpopular opinions. How to mitigate otherness by folding in the lardiest bits of American Pie.

It's cool to fight in wars when you're a Warrior of Light.


  

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85. "This is a surreal sentence"
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>How to mitigate otherness by
>folding in the lardiest bits of American Pie.

Incredibly well-constructed. Like watching Lawrence O'Donnell turn, mid-sentence toward a mirror so the entire second half of the utterance was being delivered as he stared, in slack-jawed horror, at his own insect reflection.

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88. "RE: This is a surreal sentence"
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>>How to mitigate otherness by
>>folding in the lardiest bits of American Pie.
>
>Incredibly well-constructed. Like watching Lawrence O'Donnell
>turn, mid-sentence toward a mirror so the entire second half
>of the utterance was being delivered as he stared, in
>slack-jawed horror, at his own insect reflection.

LMAO

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90. "He was a surreal candidate"
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One you could only really put your finger on with some poetic license

  

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61. "I truly think Amy is sticking around to keep Minnesota away from Bernie."
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I wouldn’t be surprised if she drops out after Super Tuesday.

  

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110. "I was wrong—she’s out and gonna endorse Biden."
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123. "L M A O !!!!"
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>
>"21% of Buttigieg’s supporters said their second choice was
>Sen. Bernie Sanders; 19% picked former Vice President Joe
>Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and 17% chose former New York
>City Mayor Michael Bloomberg." Source: Morning Consult
>
>I've seen similar polls showing more/less the same
>information. I think we always need to be careful about
>assuming where voters may ferry over to. It's never as
>cut/dry as it seems.
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55. "remember the company line: Bernie can't lose!"
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and if he loses

It's everyone else's fault he lost!


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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58. "Bernie is tearing families apart! Flava Flav kicked out of Public Enemy"
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I thought he was supposed to bring people together??

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/music/flavor-flav-fired-public-enemy-following-fight-over-sanders-rally-n1146821

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66. ">.<"
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>I thought he was supposed to bring people together??
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70. "CAN'T TRUSS IT haha... talk to chuck d about that"
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i was there at the rally and he brought HELLA people together.

many thousands of diverse people chanting classic PUBLIC ENEMY hooks together against this fascist regime was the definition of unity yesterday.

  

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73. "Coronavirus is spreading in California *precisely* during Bernie's rally"
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I thought Bernie was supposed to bring MFA to the people. Instead, he's bringing us pandemics!!!

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75. "He's a menace!!"
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74. "It wasn't Bernie, it was Flav and his lawyers"
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Don't believe the hype.

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79. ""Hoohhhwooowuuayeaah...""
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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81. "Smh Bernie or bust, they are all rabid, even chuck D. This is deep"
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Yikes @ Bernie supporters

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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84. "lol"
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Nah it wasn't Bernie, the media is hyping that up.

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210. "anything that supports the BBs are lefty trumpers agenda"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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93. "Bree Newsome Bass endorses Bernie"
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https://twitter.com/BreeNewsome/status/1234514772516888583?s=20

I decided I’m voting for Sanders in NC tomorrow not only because I believe we need sweeping reforms, including universal healthcare and policies that specifically address poverty & the wealth divide, but also to challenge what I consider extremely dangerous messaging from Biden.

The whole thread is worth reading.

  

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95. "I voted last week in NC for Bernie. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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96. "hell yeah!"
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that's great news. we need something big.

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98. "You're an interesting voter in this process."
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Following your posts - you seem to have been one of the more neutral posters here. What ultimately made you decide to vote for Sanders?

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100. "I voted for Bernie in 2016. "
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my theory is the Dems will vote for the Dem regardless of candidate so why not pick the democratic socialist who can bring in more independent voters and 3rd party voters?

My belief when this all started was Biden would have the best chance because of name recognition. Wasn’t really my preference but I thought he could get it down. Joe is slow tho...

I was off Bernie and with Warren after his heart attack but she ain’t the move. She flip flops too easily based on pressure. Bernie is the only one with a consistent message.





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102. "It's interesting to see where the voter journey takes them"
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Also indicative of Sanders being a fairly strong 2nd/3rd choice for a lot of voters.

I think the "war" with Sanders is not really about him vs. the voters (who hold a very favorable view of him overall) - but it's clearly against him and the party power brokers (who are doing their best to stoke up division among voters to align with anyone but Sanders).


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104. "there are some "future former republicans""
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that are threatening to not vote for bernie, or even end up voting for trump if bernie gets the nomination. for whatever that's worth.

i think there are some democratic voters that right now feel they wouldnt vote for a "socialist" but if bernie does get the nomination would come around to him.

i think there is a higher risk in turning away die hard bernie supporters versus these supposed republican voters.

  

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124. "Once the debates start and you see Bernie vs Trump"
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and their answers to policy...

If you vote for Trump because Bernie is a socialist you are an idiot.

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99. "could texas be the tipping point?"
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if you play with this 538 model texas flips who gets the plurality of delegates overall between bernie and biden

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/super-tuesday/

polling was starting to look good for bernie there but seems like biden is coming back.

  

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103. "Texas is big."
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If Sanders carries both California and Texas - that's going to be a huge statement. Sanders also looks very competitive in N. Carolina and Virginia. If he can also take one (or both) of those southern states - he'll have the most demographically and geographically diverse coalition, by far.
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105. "Good 538 read: “Why Mayor Pete Dropped Out”:"
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-buttigieg-dropped-out/

  

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106. "Sanders/Wellstone vs. Biden on Pharma Pricing"
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Relatedly, I miss Paul Wellstone.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/coronavirus-vaccine-price-gouging-senate/

HOW THE SENATE PAVED THE WAY FOR CORONAVIRUS PROFITEERING, AND HOW CONGRESS COULD UNDO IT
Ryan Grim, Aída Chávez
March 2 2020, 12:30 p.m.

BEFORE A VACCINE to combat the coronavirus pandemic is within view, the Trump administration has already walked back its initial refusal to promise that any remedy would be affordable to the general public. “We can’t control that price because we need the private sector to invest,” Alex Azar, Health and Human Services secretary and a former drug industry executive, told Congress.

After extraordinary blowback, the administration insisted that in the end, any treatment would indeed be affordable. President Donald Trump on Monday morning tweeted that he would be meeting with “the major pharmaceutical companies today at the White House about progress on a vaccine and cure. Progress being made!” The federal government, though, under the Clinton administration, traded away one of the key tools it could use to make good on the promise of affordability.

Gilead Sciences, a drugmaker known for price gouging, has been working with Chinese health authorities to see if the experimental drug remdesivir can treat coronavirus symptoms. World Health Organization officials say it’s the “only one drug right now that we think may have real efficacy.” But remdesivir, which was previously tested to treat Ebola virus, was developed through research conducted at the University of Alabama at Birmingham with funding from the federal government.

That’s how much of the pharmaceutical industry’s research and development is funded. The public puts in the money, and private companies keep whatever profits they can command. But it wasn’t always that way. Before 1995, drug companies were required to sell drugs funded with public money at a reasonable price. Under the Clinton administration, that changed.

In the 1994 midterms, the Republican Revolution, built largely around a reaction to Bill Clinton’s attempt to reform the health care system, swept Democrats out of Congress. On its heels, in April 1995, the Clinton administration capitulated to pharmaceutical industry pressure and rescinded the longstanding “reasonable pricing” rule.

“An extensive review of this matter over the past year indicated that the pricing clause has driven industry away from potentially beneficial scientific collaborations with scientists without providing an offsetting benefit to the public,” the National Institutes of Health said in a 1995 statement announcing the change. “Eliminating the clause will promote research that can enhance the health of the American people.”

The move was controversial, and a House member from Vermont, independent Bernie Sanders, offered an amendment to reinstate the rule. It failed on a largely party-line vote, 242-180.

Then in 2000, Sanders authored and passed a bipartisan amendment in the House to reimpose the “reasonable pricing” rule. In the Senate, a similar measure was pushed by the late Paul Wellstone of Minnesota.

“Many in Congress find it hard to argue with Sanders’ line that ‘Americans must pay twice for life-saving drugs, first as taxpayers to develop the drug and then as consumers to pad pharmaceutical profits,’” Nature wrote at the time.

Then-Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware voted to table Wellstone’s amendment, and it was defeated 56-39.

“Our amendment requires that the NIH abide by current law and ensure that a company that receives federally owned research or a federally owned drug provide that product to the American public on reasonable terms,” Sanders said in a floor speech. “This is not a new issue. During the Bush administration, the NIH insisted that co-operative research agreements contain, quote, a reasonable pricing clause that would protect consumers from exorbitant prices of products developed from federally funded research.”

A related effort from Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., made it into the final Senate bill, watered down to say that the director of the NIH should offer “a proposal to require a reasonable rate of return on both intramural and extramural research by March 31st, 2001.”

The two measures were hashed out in a conference committee, and Sanders’s tougher House language was stripped out. The conference report included this language: “The conferees have been made aware of the public interest in securing an appropriate return on the NIH investment in basic research. The conferees are also aware of the mounting concern over the cost to patients of therapeutic drugs. By July 2001, based on a list of such therapeutic drugs which are FDA approved, have reached $500,000,000 per year in sales in the United States, and have received NIH funding, NIH will prepare a plan to ensure that taxpayers’ interests are protected.”

That plan has never been implemented, while the federal government has continued to fund research that leads to private gain. The Antiviral Drug Discovery and Development Center at the University of Alabama in 2019 received a five-year, $37.5 million grant from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases — one of the 27 institutes that make up the NIH.

Democratic presidential candidates have pledged to use authority they say is inherent in a federal law already on the books, known as Bayh-Dole, to force reasonable prices, and have pledged to go even further with new legislation. But the public might not need to wait for Election Day. With Congress set to contemplate a round of funding to mitigate the pandemic, the Sanders-Wellstone amendment could make a comeback.

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107. "Down goes Amy"
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She's going to lose MN and didn't want to be embarrased. Plus they all hate Bernie and want to unify against him.

  

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112. "Warren's legacy is decided today"
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I like this take that I saw:

we have a bit of democracy. the game is slanted by the propaganda machine working overtime, but still this is a moment where the people can shape their fate. In this context, it isn't about Warren taking votes from Bernie. People who have been calling themselves progressives gotta decide. no more, Warren fooled me. If she is still fooling you now, she could fool you into anything. If she fools you now, it's because you want to be fooled. You want the economic hierarchy to stay like it is. You like your place in it.

https://twitter.com/alexbillwinter/status/1234547226749407232

  

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114. "lol"
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108. "Klobuchar, out"
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Thank you for your service. I'll never forget being able to smell your hatred for Pete Buttigieg through my television.

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116. "her tweet about him dropping out seemed respectful"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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109. "Amy Klobuchar is out"
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/politics/amy-klobuchar-ends-2020-campaign/index.html


She's backing Biden. Man this is coming to a close faster than I thought

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111. "pressure now on warren i guess"
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i doubt bloomberg is considering dropping out.

amy backing biden is meaningful.

i wonder what voters in minn do. not sure here 3% everywhere else will mean much.

  

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120. "I'm hoping she won't fold and stick it out"
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Bloomberg ain't going anywhere, his money is what's going to keep him end til the end.

I'm not sure how powerful Amy backing Biden is but it's showing that there may be a trend and with what Mayor Pete had to say on his way out it's looking like the stance will be Biden over Sanders.

I'm just burnt out and want this ugly mess over

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129. "i agree"
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i think it makes sense for her to stick around for tomorrow. then evaluate. im legit shook now. weird.

if you are not already decided for bernie or biden how do you chose.

why pick bloomberg over biden?

why pick warren over biden? over bernie?

why pick tulsi if youre not related to her?

i think only warren has a legit claim for voters from those 3. are there enough voters that are not in denial about how senile (calm down eminem) joe is that will chose warren over him? can she become something other than a spoiler? will she drop out before i hit post message?

  

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115. "Irritated "
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Because for all the fuck shit I feel about Beto ... at least he didn’t carry his vanity run to the point where it affected outcomes.

You’re gonna take up air and stage time AND drop out after early voting but before Super Tuesday

Assholes. Selfish assholes.

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117. "Fair point. "
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127. "RE: Irritated "
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This really pisses me off. It subverts they process for selfish gain. If your whole goal is to get concessions you stay in to convention. If it’s to influence then be a surrogate

But when you’re effectively stealing votes that have been cast then you’re just a fucking asshole

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118. "The Moderate vote is consolidating"
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Warren refusing to drop out means that the Progressive vote will be split.

Voting is strategic at this point - and it's very clear as to how this taking shape: It's a race between Sanders & Biden.

If you're voting for Warren - it's a vote for Biden.

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119. "i guess i early voted for biden"
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im not sure that most warren voters would go to bernie. i think its closer to 50/50

i would definitely prefer bernie.

either way, these drop outs definitely change the game.

  

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151. "it is, unless Bernie indicates warren will get his VP slot, "
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>im not sure that most warren voters would go to bernie. i
>think its closer to 50/50
>

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160. "What are you basing this on?"
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>im not sure that most warren voters would go to bernie. i
>think its closer to 50/50

According to all the data - Warren supporters clearly favor Sanders as their second choice:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voters-second-choice-candidates-show-a-race-that-is-still-fluid/

This has not been the case with other voters (Pete/Amy for example are more mixed bags when it comes to their voters' 2nd preference).

With Warren it makes sense: both her and Sanders are very closely matched on ideology and policy prescriptions, for the most part.

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168. "i do spend some time browsing the warren sub"
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a lot of people are put off by bernie. in my head i would think 100% go to bernie strictly on policy. i dont think voters are going strictly on policy though. if biden was the one that dropped and pete remained i think 50/50 would make the most sense but i think its still more evenly split than pro-bernie. lets say 55 bernie 45 biden.


edit: i also think a lot of people already fled her for bernie since that whole fiasco. im not sure many of her remaining supporters still have bernie second. i think im in the minority.

  

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178. "RE: i do spend some time browsing the warren sub"
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FWIW anyone who even mildly criticizes Warren on that sub is swiftly banned or their posts deleted as I and many others can attest to

  

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182. "You say this with pride, but you don't realize it hurts your candidate."
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Yea right @ "mildly" lol

>mildly criticizes Warren on that sub is
>swiftly banned or their posts deleted as I and many others can
>attest to

  

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188. "RE: You say this with pride, but you don't realize it hurts your candida..."
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Here is my last comment to get deleted of only a handful I've made on there, it was less than mild. In the thread "Warren defends Democratic primary rules requirng a majority at the convention" I said in full

"If anyone wants the real story behind what happened in 2016 this Twitter thread does a great job explaining it https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1232908574931722241?s=20

The ensuing thread used Warren herself as the primary source, this was the response.

Removed rule seven. Provide an unbiased source. Twitter isn't one.

Made for great conversation!

  

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191. "does this happen more on her sub than others?"
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what was your experience doing the same in petes or amys sub?

  

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194. "RE: does this happen more on her sub than others?"
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>what was your experience doing the same in petes or amys
>sub?

I haven't posted on those personally but I know that Warren's sub does have a reputation as being the most locked down and authoritarian.

  

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195. "its kind of like subs are allowed to make their own rules"
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and apply them as they see fit.


if youre not a supporter of the candidate its kind of weird to post in their sub. browse as you like but not exactly the place to debate.

  

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202. "RE: its kind of like subs are allowed to make their own rules"
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>and apply them as they see fit.
>
>
>if youre not a supporter of the candidate its kind of weird to
>post in their sub. browse as you like but not exactly the
>place to debate.

Sure, that's one way to look at it but my experience with r/sandersforpresident and especially r/wayofbern is that there is a lot of discussion, oftentimes from other candidate's supporters and it makes both places much more lively and educational.

  

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121. "Refusing to drop out is an interesting take"
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She had a huge cash haul in February while every campaign except Sanders was hemorrhaging money ... including Biden
She’s killed on the debate stages
Was the first candidate to announce they were running
And consistently ... consistently polled better than anyone except the last two that are in.

But from a politics point alone, dropping out after early voting but before Super Tuesday is so insanely selfish and self serving that it feels like sabotage.
There’s no good will extended to Klobachur, Buttigieg, or Steyer ... none.

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125. "all of this"
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>She had a huge cash haul in February while every campaign
>except Sanders was hemorrhaging money ... including Biden
>She’s killed on the debate stages
>Was the first candidate to announce they were running
>And consistently ... consistently polled better than anyone
>except the last two that are in.
>
>But from a politics point alone, dropping out after early
>voting but before Super Tuesday is so insanely selfish and
>self serving that it feels like sabotage.
>There’s no good will extended to Klobachur, Buttigieg, or
>Steyer ... none.


Dude has been dancing around "warren needs to drop out!" pretty much since Bernie announced.

Nothing but dear leader will do.

  

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130. "Yea - she's clearly in it for the long-haul. She's now taking SuperPac ..."
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even though she said she never would do that.

I'm a Warren fan - but she simply hasn't performed. Both Pete & Amy outperformed her - yet both are dropping out with the clear purpose of coalescing behind the moderate wing (Biden) to stop Sanders from getting the nomination.

And that's fine - this is politics.

In poll after poll, most Warren voters cite Sanders as their second option. That's a critical feature on Super Tuesday as she stays in - but the moderate base attempts to coalesce around Biden.



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139. "To hold dropping out against Steyer, Pete, and Amy also assumes"
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it was solely their decision tho.

Pete literally did an interview *yesterday morning* on MTP telling Chuck Todd he intended to stay in the race.

Something definitely happened in between when they filmed that and the announcement later on. It just didn't make any sense with how his campaign has been rolling thus far.

I think certain ppl were under tremendous pressure to drop out, but Warren gets a pass because her coalition overlaps Bernie's so much.

I don't entirely think Warren's February cash haul was due to her Nevada performance, either. I think the establishment/donor class also see her as a very practical foil against Bernie and after learning of her financial issues rallied to keep her campaign infrastructure afloat for that purpose (25m in 3 days but doing worse than Pete in SC, even with her higher polling among black voters). If she dropped Bernie would presumably get a huge boost and they don't want that.

Selfishness at play but not with the dropouts imho. Maybe Biden tho. He really fucking wants this and would prefer everybody ignore his red flags lol

edit: and to be clear, I think I also would have favored they all take it to the convention over this staggered coronation bs lol

>
>But from a politics point alone, dropping out after early
>voting but before Super Tuesday is so insanely selfish and
>self serving that it feels like sabotage.
>There’s no good will extended to Klobachur, Buttigieg, or
>Steyer ... none.

  

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141. "Nothing happened. They all made political choices. "
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Fuck all of them.
It’s not about any operation or consultants or party leaders
You let the ballot box make the decision once you’re in this long
Even if your candidacy isn’t viable
Otherwise what you’ve done is negated votes, negated the work of people that worked to get those votes, shit on the early vote process, etc
If you’re going to play politics with other people’s votes then you don’t deserve to be a candidate.

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142. "I hear you. I disagree, but I understand where you're coming from."
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I definitely think the Dem establishment/donor class pulled/is pulling strings behind the scenes. It's basically the Dem way at this point *shrug*


>Fuck all of them.
>It’s not about any operation or consultants or party
>leaders
>You let the ballot box make the decision once you’re in this
>long
>Even if your candidacy isn’t viable
>Otherwise what you’ve done is negated votes, negated the
>work of people that worked to get those votes, shit on the
>early vote process, etc
>If you’re going to play politics with other people’s votes
>then you don’t deserve to be a candidate.

  

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146. "Nobody is making anyone do anything "
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These are humans with full autonomy. You’re overlooking that for whatever pressures they may be feeling. At the end of the day these are their actions and should be attributed as such.

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149. "I know. Politics is fucked up tho."
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152. "These aren’t their political choices to make at this point"
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This is vote suppression.

“ This really pisses me off. It subverts they process for selfish gain. If your whole goal is to get concessions you stay in to convention. If it’s to influence then be a surrogate

But when you’re effectively stealing votes that have been cast then you’re just a fucking asshole”

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164. "Right. But that's why I think the Dem estab/donor class cutting off"
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folks' funding (or in Warren's case, turning the taps on) and other tricks were probably used to apply pressure. More than anyone, I think Pete very much wanted to stay in til the end. His campaign published an entire memo mapping out their delegate strategy, even.

I also think that the actual Dems were obviously more exposed to being pressured out, because they actually care about their political futures within the party. Bernie's obviously immune to that as is somebody like Bloomberg.

Basically, I get your anger I just think the candidate's might deserve less of it lol

>This is vote suppression.
>
>“ This really pisses me off. It subverts they process for
>selfish gain. If your whole goal is to get concessions you
>stay in to convention. If it’s to influence then be a
>surrogate
>
>But when you’re effectively stealing votes that have been
>cast then you’re just a fucking asshole”

  

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166. "k"
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122. "you're hilarious"
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You literally posted up above that Pete's voters wouldn't necessarily go to Biden.

You posted that YOURSELF.

Just because someone is in a particular lane doesn't guarantee their voters go to someone else in that lane.

By your own numbers, something like 40% of Pete's voters will go to Warren or Bernie.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13369593&mesg_id=13369593&page=#13369679

Yet, Warren needs to drop out to pave the way for dear leader...?


Who is to say a good portion of Warren voters wouldn't go to Biden? My guess is more than you think- and my guess is a big reason is the Bro behavior has pushed many away.

Not to mention, does her playing the delegate game give the progressive movement more influence over a potential Biden run?

She got Hillary to make major concessions without even running...imagine what she could get out of Biden by holding out?

Oh wait, this isn't about a progressive movement or policies its about winning a Bernie agenda.


You guys have been itching to get the progressive woman to drop out since day one. These bitches keep getting in your guy's way, huh? Ungrateful sell outs.

Its been incredibly frustrating and disappointing to watch you prove the Bernie Bro stereotype on a daily basis.


I'm telling you, if guys like you want to help Bernie get more votes you should shut the fuck up for a while because you are terrible at this.

I'm being 100% real- if Bernie is going to win, you guys have to change the bro behavior.


Not to mention, she is probably waiting to see how Super Tuesday shakes out. Some of these drop outs are premature, yet cutting it too close. Amy and Pete should have let Tuesday play out.

Oh also, have you called for Tulsi to drop out and I missed it?

  

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128. "y’all really need to stop this Bernie Bro bullshit on here"
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Telling people not to support their guy because it hurts their guy is dumb as hell.

Everyone is using the spin to justify how their pick will benefit.

Vex ain’t no worse than Reeq.

Both are spinning the fuck out of these articles, polls, etc.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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131. "lol right - not sure why people are acting brand new"
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You make claims/predictions/assessments and use polling/data to try and back up your argument/preference - and advocate for your candidate of choice.

Not sure why people get so upset at this lol.

kfine did a fine job of advocating for Pete - and often proffered available data to bolster well-thought out arguments. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm gonna cry about it and be like 'omg you're so ridiculous! how dare you competently advocate for your candidate of choice!' lol


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143. "Implying you are turning voters off is bullshit"
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People just scared to admit they are more comfortable with the safe pick.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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134. "RE: y’all really need to stop this Bernie Bro bullshit on here"
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Exactly. Especially since it all comes from the Hillary camp who initiated the smear in 2008 with Obama Boys, then resurrected it in 2016 for Bernie and now people are doing it again. Is there nothing that the mainstream media spews that the majority of OKP political posters won't eat up?

https://medium.com/@StealYoRedBull/before-bernie-bros-there-were-obama-boys-2327bc941e06

  

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147. "I’m sure there are some asshole Bernie supporters online "
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but every camp has them.

My frustration is the “if they just chilled more people would vote for Bernie”

FOH.

What they really want is for Bernie supporters to stfu so people can shit all over him.

What happened in SC?
I thought he was growing the base?
Why isn’t there more enthusiasm?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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153. "^^^^^^^^"
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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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126. "Harry Reid just endorsed Biden"
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132. "Yup. As did Tim Kaine - and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz lol"
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What a team.

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133. "I feel like there should be a deadline for dropping out"
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or else people are potentially wasting their votes. Half the field has dropped out in the time I received my mail in ballot. I haven't dropped it off yet but I would be annoyed if I voted for someone only for them to drop out the next day.

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136. "It also has the effect of giving Bernie's opponents ammo to nullify"
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(figurativley) his victories tomorrow. They'll be able to imply his victories aren't real because alot of voters would have picked Biden instead of Buttigieg or Klobuchar or Steyere or whoever.

  

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138. "this fione Buttigieg campaigner rang my doorbell yesterday at 3:45pm...."
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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150. "I was canvassing for Ralph Nader in Staten Island"
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I didn’t even know who Nader was at the time.

I was just looking for a gig and the girl who I interviewed me was fine as hell.

Wasted a whole day.

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167. "A black man"
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knocking on doors for Ralph Nader in Republican as hell Staten Island.

I'm hoping folks didn't get too belligerent with you.


I also hope the dollars were worth it, but seeing as I'm sure that campaign was probably pinching its collective pennies, I highly doubt it.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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189. "I ain’t get paid.. it was the first day"
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I was basically shadowing her to see how it was done. I was young and dumb.

My balls made all the decisions that day.

and no one said shit to me... but we definitely got some hard no’s and some looks. All I remember was Staten Island smelled like shit.

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135. "biden lies about mandela, getting arrested & civil rights movement"
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yet it does little to no political harm and earns endorsements.

what kind of privilege and groupthink is that?

  

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137. "dont forget the school bussing in the 70s, strom thurmond and other"
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segregationists are his friends, supporting a crime bill that locked up practically every black man in the 90s, and wanted to freeze/cut SS....I'm not understanding how a 55-60 year old black man can ignore these factors and just be like "i'mma vote for Biden".

make it make sense

take a message

  

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140. "He also served 8 years under Obama so he’s good. "
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Lying about old shit is bad but he is basically Obama endorsed since he was his VP so that’s helpful

Also Trump is a fucking idiot who is destroying our country so it’s between him and someone who lied about stuff from a few decades ago but recovered enough to be VP to a legend then guess who most people are correctly picking?

  

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144. "shaun king's reporting shows he's revived this pattern in 2019-2020"
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of lying as if he was shoulder to shoulder risking his life with civil rights movement activists.

he also just apologized this weekend for being a liar about being arrested when supposedly going to see mandela, who then he said embraced him and thanked him being arrested to see him. this is CURRENT.

Joe Biden drops claim he was arrested seeing Mandela
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51648166

yes his presidential campaign fell apart in '87 due to lies, and he was VP after his mass incarceration drive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/25/bidens-ridiculous-claim-he-was-arrested-trying-see-mandela/

“After he got free and became president, he came to Washington and came to my office. He threw his arms around me and said, ‘I want to say thank you.’ I said, ‘What are you thanking me for, Mr. President?’ He said: ‘You tried to see me. You got arrested trying to see me.’”



https://shaunking.substack.com/p/2-truths-and-31-lies-joe-biden-has

"From 2014 until early 2019, Joe Biden would not again repeat the false claim that he was an activist and organizer in the Civil Rights Movement. But once he began running again, he could not resist himself. It’s as if he is not fully clear on how the Internet works.

In Waterloo, Iowa on this past December 5th, 2019 Biden began telling falsehoods again about being an activist and organizer, and then added new color to the lie from 2014 that he was being trained as an activist in Black churches on Sunday mornings, saying,

“I got involved, most of you don’t know me well, I got involved in public life, because when I was about the age of the guy standing over there (points to teenage boy), I got involved in the civil rights movement….

Well, I got my education, Reverend Doc... in the Black church. Not a joke -- because when we used to get organized on Sundays to go out and desegregate movie theaters and things like that, we'd do it through the Black church. I got to admit to you I'd go to my Catholic Mass at 7:30 first, and then I'd show up in the Black church."

Apparently itching for another scandal to end yet another presidential campaign, Biden continued his lies again - this time at a special service at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Columbia, South Carolina on this past January 20th, 2020. Each time he tells these lies he appears to be abandoning his script and adding new layers of lies on top of the old ones.

“You know, when I was a teenager in Delaware, for real, I got involved in the Civil Rights Movement. We have the 8th largest Black population in America, most people don’t know that. And, uh, I’d go to 8 o’clock mass, then I’d go to Reverend Herring’s church, where we’d meet, in order to organize and figure where we were going to go, whether we were going to desegregate the Rialto movie theater or what we were going to do. I got my education. For real. In the Black Church. And that’s not hyperbole. It’s a fact.”"

  

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161. "RE: We have the 8th largest Black population in America"
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No, I did not know that Joe

Considering some cities have almost as many black residents as the total population of Delaware

I find that very hard to believe

Does he think chester and philly are part of Delaware?

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145. "Incorrect."
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>Lying about old shit is bad but he is basically Obama
>endorsed since he was his VP so that’s helpful

He is not "Obama endorsed" - like - not at all.

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155. "Ehhh, by default he is viewed as Obama’s guy "
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Obama could endorse Bernie tomorrow and people will still look Joe to Obama even tho Joe was O’s pick to make white voters comfortable.

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157. "I hate agreeing with legsdiamond but he’s correct (since he’s agreei..."
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with me lol)

  

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159. "Nah. Obama actually was trying to talk Biden out of this"
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according to many reports. Obama also had the bulk of his alumni move to Warren's camp - and was sending not so subtle signals that he thought Warren was the best candidate.

Obama hasn't done anything remotely close to endorsing Biden.

Saying Biden is the beneficiary of residual Obama brand favorability is one thing (and he certainly is - that Obama brand is strong) - saying that Obama basically endorsed Biden is an entirely different (and wrong) assertion.

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163. "now here's a conspiracy theory: there's an 'Obama' wing of the Democrats"
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and they don't have the power to take it over b/c the "Clinton and Co." side is too strong.

  

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171. "I think both of you are right, tbh lol. He's been leaning on that Obama"
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political capital H.E.A.V.Y. Like.. does he even have an ad that doesn't feature BO? lol. It's blatant. I think BO (correctly) has stayed out of it (and even politely trolled a bit, making comments about women leaders, new generation leaders etc during speaking engagements), but by and large.. folks that don't follow politics closely view Biden as part of the Obama-Biden package and a known entity.

But you're right in that a peculiarly significant number of Obama alums have either endorsed or joined the campaigns of others. Correct on Warren. Pete also had a number of Obama alums (BO's top economic advisor, Reggie Love, staffers from past campaigns, etc), and BO namechecked him as one to watch in an old article towards the end of BOs presidency. Basically, the "let's go back to the Obama-Biden" years has been almost exclusively a one-sided push (and not by BO lol)


>according to many reports. Obama also had the bulk of his
>alumni move to Warren's camp - and was sending not so subtle
>signals that he thought Warren was the best candidate.
>
>Obama hasn't done anything remotely close to endorsing Biden.
>
>Saying Biden is the beneficiary of residual Obama brand
>favorability is one thing (and he certainly is - that Obama
>brand is strong) - saying that Obama basically endorsed Biden
>is an entirely different (and wrong) assertion.
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158. "Don’t play dumb you know exactly what I mean. "
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148. "The Dems seem to specialize in forced coronations.. lol"
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They probably feel bad for him because he's run (unsuccessfully) so many times + all the tragedies that have happened with his family while he was giving so much to the party. Which is sad, and I'll bet he made some fiery phone calls recently. But it's not democratic.

In his interview on MTP yesterday he mentioned something about folks "stepping up" to help deliver on SC smh

This is pretty much about the Dem establishment being there for Joe, not voters (other than black voters in the south, who clearly ride for him).

  

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154. "Beyond that it’s the establishment being scared shitless of Bernie "
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not because he can’t win..

because he CAN win and he’ll fuck up the money.

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156. "^^^this"
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165. "RE: Beyond that it’s the establishment being scared shitless of Bernie..."
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Yeah and some people still won't admit there's any such thing as the "establishment" when within an hour Amy drops out says she's going to endorse Biden, Pete announces he's endorsing Biden and Harry Reid endorses Biden. All less than 24 hours after Pete admitted he dropped to stop Bernie. Just the millionth and one coincidence I guess.

What gets me the most is that so many people are more than ready to help the establishment with these games and then feign like they want to see progressive accomplishments, FOH.

  

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174. "It’s easy to post progressive talking points"
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and clown people for admitting they are conservative in certain arenas...

but once it’s time to vote progressive they do the Adrienne/Rocky scream... “he can’t WIN!!!”

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238. "^yup"
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It's wild to me that there is so much hesitation on Bernie in this place. I don't get it but gotta bear in mind the actual number of people arguing back and forth in here is relatively small.

  

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169. "Pete to endorse Biden"
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Let's not get this confused:

This race is now Biden v. Sanders.

Choose wisely.

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170. "And Warren and Bloomberg and Tulsi"
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Fuck this patriarchal patronizing shit. Klobachur and Buttigieg were presidential candidates, they’re not now, and their supporters are free to make their own choices

Nobody was saying this shit when Beto, Kamala, Castro, or Booker dropped out

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173. "lol huh?"
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>Nobody was saying this shit when Beto, Kamala, Castro, or
>Booker dropped out

We're in March. This ain't August of 2019 where everything is speculative and free-flowing. The field is defined and it's clear what this race is shaping up to be.

Vote for whomever you want - that's what primaries are for.

But this race ain't between Bloomberg v. Warren.


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175. "Lol! The estab thought folks enjoyed '16 so much, they made a sequel :)"
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just with more characters this time

  

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181. "RE: Lol! The estab thought folks enjoyed '16 so much, they made a sequel..."
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>
>just with more characters this time

LOL.

Are we having fun yet?

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177. "No one was voting back then"
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and real talk... those people dropped out because they couldn’t get enough support

So no one really would care who Beto or Kamala endorsed back then.

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185. "I do wonder"
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how many votes Doomberg will siphon away from Biden and potentially ruin his Super Tuesday results and in turn make things easier for Saunders.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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183. "Warren is officially the only woman and youngest Presidential candidate."
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-Reddit

not technically true yet they're not really wrong lol

  

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192. "DON'T THROW AWAY YOUR VOTE"
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coming from the same people who said you should vote for the green party in 2016 is fucking rich

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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172. "So...wtf is Warren doing?"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13344033&mesg_id=13344033&listing_type=search#13363203

She needs to lose MA to dropout?

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179. "Hanging out.. spending other people’s money "
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If she loses Massachusetts it’s an embarrassing L.

but she hasn’t been embarrassed by her performance this far so fuck it.

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186. "if she has been in it to win then the recent drop outs only boost her"
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chances. she has a lot of funding and is now basically the compromise candidate.

what happens if she gets the same amount of delegates as biden does tomorrow?

  

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196. "RE: chances of what?"
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She’s earned 0 delegates since IA

0.

You can’t seriously think she has a path to the nomination

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200. "95% of the delegates available are unalloted at the moment"
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95%

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201. "we find out tomorrow"
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i think odds are very low that she has a path but these drop outs did increase the chances that she could find a path. compared to biden i think she has a 30% chance to bidens 70%. if SC was biden's peak and he comes back to recent polling tomorrow where do the rest of the votes go?

maybe there was too much early voting and both biden and warren stay around 15%. maybe a lot of pete/amy/tom (lol) voters decide to stay home.

we dont know.

  

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207. "^^^ the Warren bump"
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= when everyone else drops out

LOL

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193. "My take is the estab *wants* Warren to stay in as long as possible "
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her coalition overlaps the most with Bernie's.

If she were to drop, even a small boost in his support could make up the difference for him overtaking the moderate outright.

So the Dem establishment/donor class seems to be financially supporting her campaign infrastructure to keep it going for literally just that purpose. Any votes going to her instead of Bernie helps the moderate. They set up a nice little SuperPAC for her and everything lol. She raised 25M in 3 days this past month.

She's only won one county so far, scraping by 0.3 above Bernie in Johnson County, IA. It would take a miracle for her to become competitive again, but we'll see I guess.

  

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199. "^ sexism in action"
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i keed

why do you always have facts?

you could be 100% right. is there data to back this up? i think it would be pretty simple to prove no? if she was averaging $20 or whatever per donation before Jan and now shes getting people maxing out then thats pretty obvious.

getting such a big jump is definitely odd especially when the votes arent there. last i saw she was claiming 1,250,000 plus donors. i think thats a big amount, only comparable to bernie (which is higher) right? i think in an email or on her sub i had seen that her donor count in feb was like 250k. i dont know if that was only for the debate week or if it was actually donation counts instead of donor count. that would still give an average donation amount of over $100 so it would be odd.

  

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205. "Lol!I was like whoa waitaminute.You're right tho,good catch. This link:"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-debate.html

says she raised 9M in the 3 days after the debate, and had raised 21M by the date of the article's publication (last month).

I think I first saw someone talking about her haul on twitter, so maybe they misquoted the amounts or I misread (I probably misread, lol. My bad I'm usually more careful tho bc I *hate misinfo/disinfo).

Here's an article about her SuperPAC too tho. And I always have facts bc I'm a policy/politics junkie (For multiple countries too. But American politics is the most interesting/far-reaching lol):

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/elizabeth-warren-now-has-the-largest-super-pac-in-the-democratic-field_n_5e593d56c5b6beedb4ea7d0f


>i keed
>
>why do you always have facts?
>
>you could be 100% right. is there data to back this up? i
>think it would be pretty simple to prove no? if she was
>averaging $20 or whatever per donation before Jan and now shes
>getting people maxing out then thats pretty obvious.
>
>getting such a big jump is definitely odd especially when the
>votes arent there. last i saw she was claiming 1,250,000 plus
>donors. i think thats a big amount, only comparable to bernie
>(which is higher) right? i think in an email or on her sub i
>had seen that her donor count in feb was like 250k. i dont
>know if that was only for the debate week or if it was
>actually donation counts instead of donor count. that would
>still give an average donation amount of over $100 so it would
>be odd.

  

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211. "i didnt even focus on the exact numbers"
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but yeah it was $9 million after the debate and they closed at $29 million for feb.

actually per her email

$29.3 million for feb. avg "gift" $31 (not sure why they used the word gift).
$2.8 million the day of the nevada debate
$9.5 million wed - fri that week
250k NEW donors in feb
1,250,000 total donors for the campaign, half donating more than once.

im not a fan of the super pac. they can or cant donate to the campaign? i think not right? just run ads and spend as much money without coordinating with the campaign? either way i think it does open her up to legit criticism.



edit: typed 13 instead of 31 for avg gift

  

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213. "Ohh good point. Yea, clearly I'm no expert on SuperPACs/CampaignFin"
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lol

I should stick to my mundane lanes like healthcare

Regardless of the exact breakdowns tho, it's clear at least that she a) got a funding bump and b) they definitely want her to stay in to help a moderate beat Bernie

>
>super pac. they can or cant donate to the
>campaign? i think not right? just run ads and spend as much
>money without coordinating with the campaign? either way i
>think it does open her up to legit criticism.

  

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215. "Warren won’t leave because that will give votes to Bernie. "
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Which she won’t want to do which I don’t want her to do either.

#AnythingToStopBernie

  

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176. "8-9 MILLION votes already cast for Super Tuesday. "
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https://twitter.com/WinWithJMC/status/1234585148592721920?s=20

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180. "The OPTICS if Biden does poorly on ST with all the early votes cast<<<<<"
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If he doesn't do well, they might regret not just letting this shit go to brokered scenario and do what they wanted to there

damn

  

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184. "i definitely think this is overreaction to SC"
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it seems that it has been decided that it is now bernie 40% - biden 40% and lets see who earns the rest.

watch it be more 35% bernie and 25% biden.

  

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190. "I think it’s a reaction to Super Tuesday polling data"
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Bernie has Cali on lock. He’s going to have a lead but it would be much larger if voters were splitting between Pete and Amy...

and then their is Bloomberg’s stank ass also clipping Biden’s votes.

Establishment definitely stored in and told some of these candidates to step down or pay the price.



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187. "He should do well in a few southern states"
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But Bloomberg may fuck up his groove.

Regardless they know they are in for a fight with Bernie.

Will definitely be interesting to see how Texas and California numbers play out.

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203. "is there an assumption that if Liz drops out she endorses Bernie?"
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granted, i'm not following this as closely as most in here, but I don't feel like that's a given just because she's the other progressive left.

she did endorse Hillary over him last go around.

or is there no assumption of this at all? i'm mostly going off shit i'm seeing on social media today and a couple headlines.

  

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206. "i think the assumption is most/all warren supporters would vote bernie"
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if she wasnt running. that might be true if she never ran. im not convinced thats true now. it could be enough support to push bernie into majority territory though.

  

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209. "i actually think it might be the opposite"
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I think people who would be geared towards Bernie are already Bernie supporters, and more Liz supporters might move towards the moderate, even if they're to the right of them.

but maybe i'm wrong. The Bernie campaign is where the energy is.

  

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212. "theres been too many developments to make confident predictions"
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my feeling is its 50/50, as i said in a different reply. it really could be anything though.

  

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217. "The data shows that her supporters prefer Sanders as 2nd choice"
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But this mix-up today is unpredictable. Many things could happen. Some Amy supporters could move to Warren. Some Warren supporters could see the writing on the wall and vote for Sanders being that he's the only viable Progressive - or they all could stay put.

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244. "as a warren supporter... she drops out im voting biden"
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.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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214. "how are there debates before Iowa and Nevada but not ST?"
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Would have been great to see Biden and Sanders go at it, especially now that it's been narrowed down. If the main worry is electability (which it's not) I can see the hesitancy to back a democratic socialist but I can't take seriously anybody who has watched the debates and think Biden can win against Trump. The man is clearly incoherent and confused and besides that has no platform other than being a moderate and VP to Obama.

Really seems like the DNC would rather have four more years than Trump than lose their party identity and have four years of Bernie. Hence the pressure on Buttigeg and Klobuchar to drop out right before ST and for Warren to stay in. Biden stands no chance and this loss will be a bigger embarrassment to the DNC than 2016 and alienate tons of voters.

  

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216. "SC debate will have to hold you"
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>Would have been great to see Biden and Sanders go at it,
>especially now that it's been narrowed down. If the main worry
>is electability (which it's not) I can see the hesitancy to
>back a democratic socialist but I can't take seriously anybody
>who has watched the debates and think Biden can win against
>Trump. The man is clearly incoherent and confused and besides
>that has no platform other than being a moderate and VP to
>Obama.
>
>Really seems like the DNC would rather have four more years
>than Trump than lose their party identity and have four years
>of Bernie. Hence the pressure on Buttigeg and Klobuchar to
>drop out right before ST and for Warren to stay in. Biden
>stands no chance and this loss will be a bigger embarrassment
>to the DNC than 2016 and alienate tons of voters.

Next debate March 15

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218. "predictions"
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because why not

California
Bernie - 40%
Biden - 25%
Warren - 18%
Bloomberg - 8%
LOL tulsi - 2%
dropped out - 7%

Texas
Bernie - 33%
Biden - 28%
Warren - 16%
Bloomberg - 15%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 7%

North Carolina
Bernie - 20%
Biden - 35%
Warren - 13%
Bloomberg - 15%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 16%

Virginia
Bernie - 26%
Biden - 30%
Warren - 12%
Bloomberg - 18%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 13%

Massachusetts
Bernie - 40%
Biden - 8%
Warren - 36%
Bloomberg - 5%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 10%

Minnesota
Bernie - 33%
Biden - 13%
Warren - 20%
Bloomberg - 3%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 30%

Colorado
Bernie - 38%
Biden - 12%
Warren - 19%
Bloomberg - 8%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 12%

Tennessee
Bernie - 20%
Biden - 40%
Warren - 10%
Bloomberg - 14%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 15%

Alabama
Bernie - 18%
Biden - 45%
Warren - 8%
Bloomberg - 16%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 12%

Oklahoma
Bernie - 16%
Biden - 35%
Warren - 16%
Bloomberg - 20%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 12%

Alabama
Bernie - 28%
Biden - 38%
Warren - 8%
Bloomberg - 18%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 7%

Utah
Bernie - 45%
Biden - 5%
Warren - 19%
Bloomberg - 8%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 12%

Maine
Bernie - 36%
Biden - 14%
Warren - 19%
Bloomberg - 12%
LOL tulsi - 1%
dropped out - 18%

Vermont
Bernie - 69%
Biden - 5%
Warren - 8%
Bloomberg - 4%
LOL tulsi - 2%
dropped out - 12%

American Samoa
Bernie - 30%
Biden - 32%
Warren - 15%
Bloomberg - 13%
LOL tulsi - 2%
dropped out - 8%

  

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"Punk ass Chris Matthews just resigned live on air!"
Mon Mar-02-20 07:19 PM by Hitokiri

  

          

This election cycle lit like a muhfucka

video:
https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1234633920362184705

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219. "Chris Matthews out at msnbc"
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There has to be some sort of metoo angle to this. He announced he's retiring, spoke for about 2 minutes, then there was a commercial. After the commercial Steve Kornacki was filling in.

  

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221. "Probably more coming"
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https://www.gq.com/story/chris-matthews-experience



>There has to be some sort of metoo angle to this. He
>announced he's retiring, spoke for about 2 minutes, then there
>was a commercial. After the commercial Steve Kornacki was
>filling in.


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222. "Good"
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226. "good he was awful "
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prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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241. "probably accidentally spit on someone with his mush mouth"
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>There has to be some sort of metoo angle to this. He
>announced he's retiring, spoke for about 2 minutes, then there
>was a commercial. After the commercial Steve Kornacki was
>filling in.

  

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281. "dude really was awful"
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even when he wasnt saying offensive stuff he added no value. his interviews were horrible. he would basically just rant. he would pose a question then answer it himself then move on to another topic.

  

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223. "Gonna go out on a limb..."
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....and predict this order, re total delegates won on Super Tuesday:‬

‪1. Biden‬
‪2. Bernie‬
‪3. Bloomberg ‬
‪4. Warren ‬

  

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224. "Damn you got Bernie losing even though he is favored in Cali"
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>....and predict this order, re total delegates won on Super
>Tuesday:‬
>
>‪1. Biden‬
>‪2. Bernie‬
>‪3. Bloomberg ‬
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229. "I know, 415 is a lot to make up for Biden but I said what "
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I said lol

  

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225. "I guess we're going to have to beat this old guy"
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Bummer. But he sucks real bad.

Joe Biden voted for the Iraq War. He doesn't deserve a continued voice in American politics, much less becoming president. Being that wrong about something that big should have consequences, and I think "don't elect him to office anymore" is a pretty light one, all told.

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227. "which old guy? Both front runners are old str8 White men"
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Bernie’s rhetoric and proposals don’t make him any less old

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233. "and bernie is older than biden."
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235. "Bernie isn't the one who's going to beat him"
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*we* are.

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236. "he's the youngest guy in the race lol"
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228. "Beto O’Rourke plans to endorse Biden tonight."
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/super-tuesday-03-02#beto-orourke-plans-to-endorse-biden-tonight

Beto O’Rourke plans to endorse Biden tonight.
Former Representative Beto O’Rourke of Texas, who became a progressive star in his spirited race against Senator Ted Cruz before mounting a less-successful presidential campaign, will endorse Joseph R. Biden Jr. and appear with him in Dallas Monday night, according to two Democratic officials familiar with his plans.

Mr. O’Rourke, who dropped out of the primary last fall, has returned to his native El Paso and largely stayed out of the campaign.

But one night before the Texas primary, he will line up with his fellow former candidates, Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar, in their effort to coalesce behind Mr. Biden and slow the momentum of Bernie Sanders.

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230. "Fuckin chump."
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231. "Can’t believe I fell for dudes lil speech"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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254. "beto knows 1st hand what dems need to win downballot races in tx."
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with the tx house in dems sights to give them a voice in redistricting...he knows a far lefty like sanders would jeopardize those suburban districts he carried in 2018.

  

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284. "i got an email"
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something about hes voting for biden i scrolled right to the end and it said he would support whoever gets the nomination blah blah. i was tempted to hit unsubscribe.

dudes been putting work to support texan elections so eh

  

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232. "Tulsi Gabbard holds Austin town hall on Monday"
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https://www.kxan.com/news/your-local-election-hq/tulsi-gabbard-to-hold-austin-town-hall-on-monday/

AUSTIN (KXAN) — On Monday, presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard will hold a town hall event in Austin ahead of Super Tuesday voting.

The event will be held from 7 to 10 p.m. at Springdale Station, 979 Springdale Road, Suite 160.

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234. "lol"
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286. "have some good bbq when youre down there vex"
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237. "mike bloombergs campaign will continue to be one of the dumbest"
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political gambits in modern history.

he has no shot at winning. just 25% of dem primary voters in sc had a favorable view of him (will be worse in more left leaning states). and dude is swooping into the race at a time when moderates are trying to coalesce around their best candidate.

what was the point of all this?

  

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239. "He might be able to win - if.there are still Reagan Democrats left"
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I ain't voting for him.

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242. "reagan democrats were white working class voters."
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really whites without a college degree. in places like the rust belt and florida.

that def aint bloombergs audience lol.

  

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243. "all those billions and still got those yellow teef"
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245. "lmao "
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246. "lol"
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276. "RE: mike bloombergs campaign will continue to be one of the dumbest"
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>political gambits in modern history.
>
>he has no shot at winning. just 25% of dem primary voters in
>sc had a favorable view of him (will be worse in more left
>leaning states). and dude is swooping into the race at a time
>when moderates are trying to coalesce around their best
>candidate.
>
>what was the point of all this?


In addition to the fact he probably has zero confidence in Biden and clearly he's opposed to Saunders getting into the White House, he saw how Trump won the Republican nomination when seemingly no one took him seriously and thinks he can win the Democratic nomination in the same fashion.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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248. "Reminder: Joe Biden loses to Trump."
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there is no magic dust, even the "not Hillary dust", that will make up the votes that Hillary lost. The turnout is going to be even more depressed than 2016 if he's the nominee.

The Democratic Party puts up more of a fight toward Bernie Sanders than they ever will Donald Trump and the GOP.


Y'all waited to long to get around Warren, fuckin' around with the K-Hive. And note the same forces that are fighting Sanders can't even stand /her/ being the nominee.

The reason being?
They're on the same billionaire teat and oppose the working class tooth and nail.

Claw said it.
This time around, y'all niggas fuck around and let that senile man get the nom, and Trump wins?

Y'all's fault. and you will deserve all that follows.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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249. "video of Biden forgetting constitution... this is bad. "
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https://twitter.com/johnrobertgage/status/1234577398521323528?s=21

“We hold these truths to be self evident, That all men and women are... you know, the thing”

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251. "I can't watch this bowl of jell-o. I tried and I cannot do it."
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The fact that he's so inept and so senile and people still want to vote for him is just unimaginable.

  

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288. "he said hes winning georgia tonight"
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252. "I'm in this line. "
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Biden will *not* win back any of the states Trump took from Hillary (no, not even PA).

Alot of those Obama-Obama-Trump voters are satisfied enough with Trump that they'll come out and vote for him again - definitely if Biden is the other choice.

No one has any GENUINE enthusiasm for Biden. "He's not Trump" is not close to being enough to beat Trump.

  

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261. "I definitely thought Biden would be able to peel off older white voters"
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But he seems to struggle with them in early states.

Still not sure if he can win the middle of PA. He’s terrible at these speeches. Dude really sounds like he is going senile.

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255. "Exactly right."
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All these people who tirelessly trashed Sanders (who is clearly the strongest candidate against Trump in a head to head) have blood on their hands - as the party seems very poised for the coronation of Joe Biden - the Democratic version of Mitt Romney (without the intellectualism).

Hope it was worth it -- because Biden gets trounced and America will get 4 more years of what it deserves: Donald Trump


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289. "Panic sets in!!! Lmao, you all have ur polls and ur broad and deep"
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Base of support. Why on earth are y’all worried lol. If Bernie is going to win the presidency he has to win the nom first

It should be no problem for him to get above the 1900 whatever delegates needed, if the support is as strong as y’all say it is.

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311. "Enjoy Joe Biden. Hope that works out for you."
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318. "im fine with anyone besides Bloomberg and tulsi "
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322. "LOL of course"
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291. "what a complete 180, how are y’all panicking like this so quickly? "
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And we can’t remember what hasn’t happened yet, Biden is untested, saying he won’t win PA, wisc and Michigan is a bit premature

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294. "if this were true, Trump wouldn't be so afraid of him"
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Why do you think Trump keeps tweeting pro Bernie stuff?

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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297. "they never answer this."
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trump and repubs clearly want to run against bernie for a reason.

  

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308. "And let’s not forget the Russians want him as the nom too "
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319. "RE: if this were true, Trump wouldn't be so afraid of him"
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>Why do you think Trump keeps tweeting pro Bernie stuff?

To play up the moderate vs. progressive dissension within the Democratic party, and in the hopes that a significant number of Sanders' supporters will feel disenfranchised enough to sit out the election, which helps Trump.


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323. "there is a significant amount of Bernie supporters "
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causing dissension themselves, are they trying to help Trump too? Do you think Trump illegally pressured a foreign government into opening a fake investigation into Biden's son to help Biden?

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325. "RE: there is a significant amount of Bernie supporters "
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>causing dissension themselves, are they trying to help Trump
>too?

No.

>Do you think Trump illegally pressured a foreign
>government into opening a fake investigation into Biden's son
>to help Biden?

No.

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250. "so far biden has spent the least amount of money per vote by a mile."
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https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1234787876031823873
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Ahead of Super Tuesday, @TheBeatWithAri calculated the estimated dollars spent per vote by Democratic presidential candidates.

Tom Steyer spent the most of any candidate at $3,370 per vote.

Joe Biden invested the least at $190 per vote.
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steyer spent all that money and didnt net a single delegate smh.

if biden comes out of super tuesday in good shape with this barebones operation (nytimes story)...i cant even call it mayne.

heres total ad spend for everyone:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESHUa-eXUAAZa9L?format=png&name=small

bloomberg has already spent half a billion! dude coulda bought out the senate with that.

  

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259. "It’s because Biden won big in SC"
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and he didn’t really have to spend money to win it.

I think Bernie’s may come down significantly if he wins big in Cali.

but then again, Biden is also going to win southern states like Bama, Tenn and Arkansas without spending money.

When they get to the battleground states I think you see the cost rise for both candidates.

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275. "bernie has up to now underperformed his polling in states with a primary..."
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where people are actually allowed/encouraged to vote and not forced into a low turnout caucus that just rewards an ardent core base.

i wonder if its just noise or itll be a continuous trend signifying some weakness turning out a segment of his voters.

  

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253. "biden shot to the lead in 538s prediction model."
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/

i wonder how this works. dude won 1 state and is still in 2nd place in delegates.

  

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256. "I've got a practical question regarding ballots"
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Buttigieg and Klobuchar and possibly Steyer dropped out too late to actually be removed from the ballot in a lot of the states that will vote today, didn't they?

If that's true (I genuinely don't know - but assume somebody here does and googling it has been kind of a pain so I got bored) then I assume a lot of the models about what's going to happen today depend on some understanding of how neat and clean the big drop-out-and-endorse move went last night.

Or, to put it another way - the majority of voters are low-info voters. Which means there could be thousands of people who go to the polls today and see Amy Klobuchar on the ballot (again, please correct if I'm wrong about this) and think about something they heard about her and go "sure, she'll do." And if that's right, there must be some good way to predict what that process is going to look like. But it sounds, uh, delightfully messy if you're a stats nerd and horrifyingly messy if you have a result that you're really in the tank for.

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258. "good question"
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266. "An article from Slate on the matter"
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if I'm understanding what your original post was referencing. Here's a link: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/super-tuesday-early-voting-delegates-buttigieg-klobuchar-steyer.html

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270. "Perfect! Thanks"
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This is precisely what I'm looking for. I appreciate it.

An early reaction to this makes me pleased that I used the right word: messy.

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273. "RE: Perfect! Thanks"
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>This is precisely what I'm looking for. I appreciate it.
>
>An early reaction to this makes me pleased that I used the
>right word: messy.


This could be misguided and conspiratorial on my part, but I don't think this will be messy at all. I know the article said ultimately it'll be up to the delegates in terms of who they'll vote for, but I would be shocked if the DNC isn't working on a local level to galvanize all that prior Klobuchar and Buttigieg delegate support towards Biden since it appears that's who the DNC wants at the moment.

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283. "thanks for this info."
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292. "i know when i voted early in texas i still had 17 options"
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the ballots are set months ago.

John K. Delaney (5)
Julián Castro (6)
Robby Wells (7)
Pete Buttigieg (8)
Tom Steyer (9)
Andrew Yang (10)
Michael R. Bloomberg (11)
Deval Patrick (12)
Michael Bennet (13)
Amy Klobuchar (14)
Roque "Rocky" De La Fuente (15)
Tulsi Gabbard (16)
Cory Booker (17)
Bernie Sanders (18)
Elizabeth Warren (19)
Joseph R. Biden (20)
Marianne Williamson (21)

  

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336. "Holy shit"
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This is incredible

>John K. Delaney (5)
>Julián Castro (6)
>Robby Wells (7)
>Pete Buttigieg (8)
>Tom Steyer (9)
>Andrew Yang (10)
>Michael R. Bloomberg (11)
>Deval Patrick (12)
>Michael Bennet (13)
>Amy Klobuchar (14)
>Roque "Rocky" De La Fuente (15)
>Tulsi Gabbard (16)
>Cory Booker (17)
>Bernie Sanders (18)
>Elizabeth Warren (19)
>Joseph R. Biden (20)
>Marianne Williamson (21)

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320. "Most of the former candidates were on my in-person ballot in CA."
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Williamson, Patrick, Booker, Castro, Yang, Bennet, etc.

>Buttigieg and Klobuchar and possibly Steyer dropped out too
>late to actually be removed from the ballot in a lot of the
>states that will vote today, didn't they?

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344. "Yep, even a few I hadn't heard of or completely forgotten existed."
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257. "Americans, by nature, like to be on winning teams"
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Every day our politic is presented in winning, losing, and trending narratives and people follow suit
If a poll came out tonight that an overwhelming number of people like raspberries on their toast, raspberry and bread sales would shoot through the roof tomorrow.
There would be vlogs about best ways to apply raspberries, an up spike in toaster searches, trends on all platforms, memes, toast trying videos, counter toasters, etc ... but everyone would suddenly be shaped around toast.

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Dr Claw
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260. "I want to talk about Elizabeth Warren as well:"
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it is true that she and Sanders offer similar visions of the future. Hers is without the grassroots organizing that IMO, is required of any Democratic candidate to win in the modern age.

it is true that personality-wise, she may be more palatable by people who are not extremely online.

but you know what else is true?

Regardless of how much she tries to play nice with the Neoliberal Dem establishment/donor class, opting to identify as "capitalist" (big mistake because with the 40 and under set, that term isn't as positive as you think), and such... THEY don't like her, nor do they trust her.

She got outpaced by Pete FUCKIN Buttigieg. A rookie mayor from South Bend. the first real gay candidate (no cap, that really is impressive to see, cheating aside, how long he hung in there). In South Carolina!!!

if she just realized who was really against her.
Not the Bernie Bros. Not sexists. The folks who are ironically throwing their money in SuperPACs behind her to keep the real threat out would use them against her if she were the lone "progressive".

The same people the "Bros" are maligning actually wanted her to fail, TOO.

To watch her (and some of her supporters) hide behind the shield of gender essentialism really pisses me off. It ain't about that.

Her POLITICAL decisions have been negative toward the people she should be courting the most. And to keep it 100, I have been Cuban B'ing a lot of unsavory things in her past to give her a chance.

At least it appears she might be responsible for not making it a "No Vote" situation for me, by killing the Bloomberg charade.

I don't care if she doesn't drop out. If they're really going to back Biden on some bullshit, it doesn't matter.

But under Trump term 2 I hope there is some reflection.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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262. "She backed Hillary over Sanders last time"
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She isn’t nearly as progressive as her supporters claim.


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268. "the lesson we all should have learned."
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Reeq
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"thats false. she did not back hillary over sanders."


          

she didnt endorse in the primary (something sanders fans famously cried about).

then she endorsed hillary when she became the presumptive nominee (just like sanders did).

  

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272. "She didn’t back the progressive"
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Of course everyone will back the eventual nominee.

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Reeq
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280. "there were almost 100 progressive caucus members."
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only *5* endorsed bernie (plus tulsi).

the real question isnt why didnt lizzy endorse the progressive.

the real question is why the progressive hadnt really forged any relationships/alliances with other progressives that would compel an endorsement after 30 years in congress.

  

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287. "Hillary ran on a progressive platform"
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She herself may be more of the centrist model
But her platform was extensively progressive
She centered it around race, gender, and explicitly talked about inequality baked into the system and how it affects the most vulnerable demographics

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290. "what actual policies are you referring to?"
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MEAT
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296. "Nothing that I’d go back and forth with any of y’all on. "
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But her record as a Senator is not the platform that she ran for president on.

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293. "most progressive party platform in history (c) bernie "
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you know details dont matter tho.

it is kinda funny that bernie supporters praised bernie for getting the most progressive party platform in history...then blamed everyone else when that platform lost.

  

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298. "Who we allow to be defined by their actions vs who’s defined by their "
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words, says a lot more about us than them.

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299. "The platform didn’t lose.. SHE LOST"
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because she was lazy or sick or who knows what but she was MIA and mailed it in the last month.



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302. "Small quibble, the first election since the VRA was destroyed"
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Combined with a campaign that openly and secretly coordinated with foreign influence (Russia, Israel, etc)
Alongside systems vulnerable to hacking (Georgia, Florida)
And then wide scale disenfranchisement (Wisconsin, Michigan)
Allowed a candidate that won the popular vote by millions of people to lose the electoral college by fewer humans than would fit inside The Horseshoe in Colombus (fewer than 80k people)

But go off chief.

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Reeq
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307. "and the comey announcement shifted polls by a few points itself."
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it was unprecedented the type of material fuckery she was up against.

  

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304. "you do realize hillary lost the most support from people"
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who felt she went too far *left* right?

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1098651547129573376

a lot of folks felt trump was more centrist/moderate.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/883742412279078912

so yes. the further left platform cost her some votes (along with various other factors).

  

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342. "thanks, i misremembered this"
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i remember the Bernie crowd complaining because they seemed to expect her endorsement, but i had thought she straight up picked Hillary before the primary was over.

>she didnt endorse in the primary (something sanders fans
>famously cried about).
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>then she endorsed hillary when she became the presumptive
>nominee (just like sanders did).
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263. "The Stop Sanders movement has gone public: (swipe)"
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-super-tuesday/index.html

(CNN)In the last 24 hours, the following things have happened in the Democratic presidential race:
1) Former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg ended his campaign and he's endorsing former Vice President Joe Biden in a Texas rally tonight.
2) Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar decided to drop from the race and endorse Biden. She'll also be at that Biden Texas rally.
3) Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nevada) announced his endorsement of Biden, citing the former vice president's ability to "assemble the largest, most diverse coalition possible to defeat Trump and lead our country following the trauma of Trump's presidency."

4) Illinois Sen. Tammy Duckworth, as well as a slew of other House members, former senators and former governors who represent states set to vote either on Tuesday or later this month, endorsed Biden.
This is what it looks like when the party establishment, deeply concerned about the prospect of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee against President Donald Trump, starts putting the necessary pieces in place to try to keep the Vermont democratic socialist from winning.

THE POINT -- NOW ON YOUTUBE!

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How large are their concerns? Within 72 hours of Biden winning his first state in the nomination fight -- a larger-than-expected victory in South Carolina -- the entire field of pragmatic/moderate/establishment types have left the race, with the exception of free-spending billionaire Mike Bloomberg.
And you can bet that if Bloomberg doesn't wind up with more delegates than Biden after tomorrow, the former New York City mayor will come under huge pressure to put his ego aside and get behind Biden too.
(Now that doesn't mean that Trump's Twitter claims implying that Democrats are trying to "take it away" from Sanders are accurate. There is nothing nefarious about endorsements and drop-outs, this is just Politics 101).
Asked about the movement on Monday, Sanders told reporters, "Look, it is no secret ... that there is a massive effort trying to stop Bernie Sanders, that's not a secret to anybody in this room. ... The corporate establishment is coming together. The political establishment is coming together and they will do everything. They are really getting nervous that working people are standing up."
Still, it's not at all clear to me that the Democratic establishment can actually stop Sanders. The Vermont senator looks headed for victories in California and, to a lesser extent, Texas on Tuesday. And there's virtually no scenario I can imagine where Sanders doesn't end Super Tuesday with a clear delegate lead over Biden and everyone else.
The actual goal for the establishment may well to simply keep Sanders away from the 1,991 pledged delegates number that would formally make him the party's nominee.

Even if successful, of course, that effort would likely require superdelegates to decide the nomination -- in Biden's favor -- on a second ballot. Which, well, could be problematic.

  

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264. "dogg.... the Democratic Party would be destroyed"
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in that scenario. never mind Donald Trump.

  

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267. "I think The Stop Sanders...actually helps Bern"
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Terrible optics from the party...for the 2nd potus primary in a row

Literally everything Bern has been saying about the establishment...is now on full display

SMH, you would think they would be better at this.

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265. "Biden scores coveted John Brennan endorsement"
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John Brennan defended our torture program under Bush. He should be on trial in the Hague.

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269. "Bill Kristol also endorsed Biden."
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The father of neoconservatism. LOL.
These are the "allies" we have.

  

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271. "We're getting the band back together!"
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I don't think it's an exaggeration at all to say that Bill Kristol will never, ever back any presidential candidate that he doesn't think can be convinced to start a war in Iran.

He's never going to rest until he gets a bite at that apple and if he says Joe Biden is his guy, that should be terrifying to anybody who thinks World War Three would be suboptimal.

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274. "It's pretty clear that given the state of Biden's faculties"
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he could EASILY be run by a Cheney type

  

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Reeq
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277. "clint eastwood endorsed mike bloomberg (a few days old)."
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https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1231759660031627264
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Clint Eastwood distances himself from President Trump: "The best thing we could do is just get Mike Bloomberg in there."

https://t.co/NSBIRo8LD8
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that was pretty surprising to me. i thought clint was a hardcore trumpkin for some reason.

  

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278. "That Obama performance art"
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Clint Eastwood did at the Republican National Convention is tattooed in my brain.

That is a pretty random endorsement, which leads me to one question; how many greenbacks did it cost for Doomberg to get that nod?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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282. "that was an all timer."
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305. "Republican endorses Republican for President"
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279. "Thanks Obama"
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Looks like he's been meddling behind the scenes again just like in 2016 to stop any progress that would overshadow his "legacy". F the millions of young people and activists and people of color giving their blood, sweat and tears to get Bernie's movement in, we'll just make some last minute phone calls and stack the whole deck, democracy!

https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/looking-for-obama-s-hidden-hand-in-candidates-coalescing-around-biden-79849541823

Mike Gravel gets it:

The entirety of the "centrist ghoul caucus" coming out of the woodwork to make sure you don't get healthcare is telling you in no uncertain terms: they hate you, they think you're a peasant, and you should hate them right back.

https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1234850587365314560

  

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285. "oh, c'mon man"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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295. "Yeah my Okp assholia aside, this exactly not the type of rhetoric "
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We need right now, I understand their are deep wounds that are resurfacing for Bernie supporters from 16, but let’s get thru Super Tuesday first.

And just becuz someone doesn’t want sanders as the nom doesn’t mean they hate the poor...sheesh

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300. "how come when they demonize 'establishment' politicians"
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they ignore/overlook the people supporting those politicians.

those votes dont come from nowhere.

those are real folks responding to a message that resonates with them.

niggas demonize the top 2 vote getters in the entire history of the country like they were fringe candidates who were completely repulsive to the american people.



  

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313. "Man U know it’s much harder to demonize real ppl and not look like "
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An asshole. Saying fuck the establishment but besides the Bernie bros(who will str8 up attack anyone like they did those WOC execs in the Nevada culinary union), u won’t outright say fuck y’all that support moderate, Washington insider candidates, becuz y’all are low information voters....

It’s similar to how I feel about M4A ( I support a public option or at least a transition period with a public option), my insurance provider (which I do actually like), all the doctors, nurses, admins all work directly for the provider, I think how disrupted all those ppls lives would be if u just cram thru M4A, his vagueness about transition jobs and what not just wouldn’t calm nerves if I were them.

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324. "they became their own worst enemies"
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All that "big tent" talk was bullshit, because they never made room for anyone who would disagree or question their revolution.

Bernie's short time as the front runner was a HUGE opportunity for him to show he could lead/unite the party, and for his supporters to prove the stereotypes wrong.


Yeah that didn't happen. Emails of us against them. Calls for the snake to drop out. Etc Etc.


Its like it never occured to most of them that, as other candidates dropped out, they would want their voters.


Its been crazy to watch them turn into stereotypical Hillary supporters. Entitled. Downplaying/ignoring weak spots. Insults if you disagreed/questioned.

They turned into things they hated.


And the incompetent party that they love to trash (so do I of course lets be real) is going to beat them.


How are you going to change the country if you can't change a party led by Tom Perez? lol



And now we are staring down the barrel of Hillary 2.0 with a side of senile tendencies and very little enthusiasm from voters.


Now, if we could stuff Biden in a room somewhere and just run on the idea of Joe Biden I'd be a little more comfortable.


But this dude is going to have to debate, give speeches, interviews, etc.


I trust Bernie more but goddamn he and his movement just aren't ready.


>they ignore/overlook the people supporting those
>politicians.
>
>those votes dont come from nowhere.
>
>those are real folks responding to a message that resonates
>with them.
>
>niggas demonize the top 2 vote getters in the entire history
>of the country like they were fringe candidates who were
>completely repulsive to the american people.
>
>
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303. "Keep fooling yourself"
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Honestly I have never in my life seen the Democratic Party muster up anywhere near the energy or political savvy to fight the Republicans that it's exhibiting right now to snuff out a grassroots progressive movement. Hard to believe it's the same organization.

https://twitter.com/dwdavison/status/1234643956803215362?s=20

They finally have a common enemy and it's the working class people. They're not doing this because they are afraid of Trump, all data shows Bernie has the best chance against Trump, they're doing it because they are afraid of us ending their power and grift.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/democrats-craving-a-brokered-convention-including-elizabeth-warren-should-learn-the-lessons-of-1968/

  

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309. "Ugh were you around in 2018? That was the Democratic Party, that "
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Was the establishment, the DCCC is about as establishment as it gets. There was tom of grassroots energy, a ton of first time candidates, supporters and voters but it was buttressed by a concerted effort of the party in the general.

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316. "right?"
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if it was progressives flipping red seats and winning purple/swing elections during the midterm wave instead of 'establishment' moderates...they wouldnt be so quick to memory hole it and act like it never happened. shit theyd prolly give bernie all the credit for the midterm 'revolution'.

bernie isnt even bringing out 1st time voters and young voters like beto and stacey abrams did. is it unprecedented grassroots energy when others did it better than you a year and a half ago?

  

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330. "imagine the "the energy or political savvy" that will be used"
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by a lot of parties to stop Sanders from winning the Pres, and from passing M4A.


If you guys are this upset about some people endorsing Joe Biden, you're in for a long fucking few years if Bernie pulls this out.


  

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340. "We expect a tough fight from the GOP.. not from our own fucking people"
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I feel like Carlton at the Frat house

We’re running the same race so brotha why you tripping me up?

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341. "cmon man. the point of an election is to win"
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The moderates aren't tripping anything- they are just trying to win.

If the Democratic party can beat Bernie and his movement, how in the world do they expect the movement to change the country and shit?

Tom Perez has your crew shook, but I'm supposed to believe you are ready to take on an entire industry, etc?


All that's happened is that some folks came out for Biden after he won SC.

I think its a bonehead move because Biden is a fucking mess.


The point is all this crying about endorsements has me scratching my head.


How the fuck were you going to beat Trump, pass M4A, etc...when a few Biden endorsements has your entire movement shook.

And why wasn't the movement better positioned in SC? How Bernie not expanded his support there? He knew black folks, particularly older black folks, were a weakness. He try to bring people into the tent or nah?


If Bernie is the candidate they think he is, if he has built a broader coalition this time like they claim, and if his movement is as strong as they say...this shouldn't be THIS big of an issue.


  

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343. "If the point is to win why are you talking about SC? "
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This is what frustrates me about this process.

Another election and SC votes for the old head Dem and everyone says this is why Bernie can’t win.

Who will Black voters vote for in the GE? The Dem... regardless.

Now PA, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin. Those are the states you need to worry about Bernie’s support. If he can’t win those he’s toast. But the whole reason everyone dropped out last night was because they know if Bernie get it popping today they prolly can’t catch him.

But Bernie is fighting to beat a Dem establishment that wants no parts of him winning. That’s tough shit.

But don’t let that cloud the actual fact that Biden looks like shit and sounds even worse when he has a mic in his hand.

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345. "the biggest consequence of the drop outs is denying bernie delegates"
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not so much because biden picks up many more but because you now have bloomberg and warren looking at hitting 15% in pretty much every state.

warren was projected to leave pete way behind after tonight, she would still be way behind bernie and biden. amy probably would have tied pete with not much hope after tonight. i think that did play into dropping out. did they really want to be behind bernie, biden, bloomber AND warren? so they save face and help keep bernie from running away with it tonight.

im sure there was pressure put on them as well but the above is enough reason.

bloomberg and warren could be the only thing keeping biden from winning tonight.

  

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321. "if the movement can't beat the feckless Dems"
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how can it win over the entire country? Or at least enough to win and pass shit?


Look, I"m fucking frustrated because Biden aint it. The idea of Biden is a lot better than the actual guy. He's a fucking mess.


I prefer Bernie. I'm scared for both in the general, but gun to my head I like Bern's chances more.

But


How strong is this movement if you can't beat Biden, or hell, Hillary?


Democrats are (obviously) going to be a much more Bernie-friendly audience than the general.


Theres no dirty tricks here. Just some big names throwing their weight behind Biden.

I think its the wrong call, but if you guys can't overcome it...how are you going to win the general?

Pass M4A? etc


This isn't the hardest fight your movement would face- it is by far the easiest.




  

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326. "this is a really good point."
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>Theres no dirty tricks here. Just some big names throwing
>their weight behind Biden.
>
>I think its the wrong call, but if you guys can't overcome
>it...how are you going to win the general?
>
>Pass M4A? etc
>
>
>This isn't the hardest fight your movement would face- it is
>by far the easiest.

nothing happening here is out of the ordinary or dirty. people drop out of races and endorse another candidate all the time.

the problem with positioning yourself as a fighter against the establishment...the establishment can fight back too. and it usually wins.

*you* drew the line in the sand and placed everyone else on the other side of it.

maybe bernie can win. maybe he cant. but he isnt entitled to the nomination. and candidates throwing their weight behind another candidate (for any reason) isnt stealing/rigging anything.

i give trump a lot of credit on this one aspect. he went up against the republican party establishment *and* fox news. and won. thats a 'movement'. took the entire party from its gatekeepers and it wasnt even close.

i do have a genuine question about bernie. what does it say about your ability to lead a party that you never really took the time/effort to develop these important political relationships in? where are your loyal allies and beneficiaries of your political capital and good will?

who have you bailed out in a tough race? whose legislation have you took the torch on and dragged across the finish line? who are your long time friends in congress that you have old drinking stories with?

if bernie does indeed win...im not sure people are just gonna stick their necks out for him because hes the president. why would these folks trust that you have their best interests at heart too?


  

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328. "right"
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>>Theres no dirty tricks here. Just some big names throwing
>>their weight behind Biden.
>>
>>I think its the wrong call, but if you guys can't overcome
>>it...how are you going to win the general?
>>
>>Pass M4A? etc
>>
>>
>>This isn't the hardest fight your movement would face- it is
>>by far the easiest.
>
>nothing happening here is out of the ordinary or dirty.
>people drop out of races and endorse another candidate all the
>time.

Right. If anything, why isn't it more concerning that no candidate has dropped out and endorsed Bernie? If the winds were really blowing Bernie's way, you'd think someone would endorse.


Warren might not even endorse him. Of course *they* will torch her if that happens, but when will they stop and ask why he hasn't fostered more support, etc?

And regardless of why he doesn't have support, how is he going to pass his agenda with so little support *in his own party*?


the only answer I ever got was he'll hold rallies in Manchins backyard. lol


>
>the problem with positioning yourself as a fighter against the
>establishment...the establishment can fight back too. and it
>usually wins.
>
>*you* drew the line in the sand and placed everyone else on
>the other side of it.

Exactly. Even Warren, the 2nd most progressive candidate in the race who is a lot closer to Bernie than say Pete...is a snake, etc.

There is no room to move that line in the sand an inch.

>
>maybe bernie can win. maybe he cant. but he isnt entitled to
>the nomination. and candidates throwing their weight behind
>another candidate (for any reason) isnt stealing/rigging
>anything.

I think that has been the most shocking aspect of his run this time- the sense of entitlement which a lot of Bernie supporters (and myself) were disgusted by in Hillary and her supporters last time.



>
>i give trump a lot of credit on this one aspect. he went up
>against the republican party establishment *and* fox news.
>and won. thats a 'movement'. took the entire party from its
>gatekeepers and it wasnt even close.

Yeah I'm trying to remember if the party rallied around Ted or whoever but I can't remember. Seems like it was 15 years ago at this point.

>
>i do have a genuine question about bernie. what does it say
>about your ability to lead a party that you never really took
>the time/effort to develop these important political
>relationships in? where are your loyal allies and
>beneficiaries of your political capital and good will?

Dog, I've never gotten an answer.

He's running like an outsider, but hes been in congress for 30 fucking years or whatever.

Why doesn't he have more support/friends? Why wasn't he able to accomplish more? Why did it take so long for him to build a movement? If he loses, will he still hold rallies in Manchin's back yard for the cause?

And more importantly, what will he/they do if/when these questions are posed in the general.


>
>who have you bailed out in a tough race? whose legislation
>have you took the torch on and dragged across the finish line?
> who are your long time friends in congress that you have old
>drinking stories with?


>if bernie does indeed win...im not sure people are just gonna
>stick their necks out for him because hes the president. why
>would these folks trust that you have their best interests at
>heart too?
>

Right. How will he pass M4A when he will have a hard enough time getting support from Dems, let alone the GOP?

AND he won't nuke the filibuster?

The answer is the movement will hold rallies, but I don't see why that still can't happen then.


  

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332. "He’s not polling, pulling better than he did four years ago ... why no..."
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334. "^^^^^^^^^"
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I not sure the party will be reshaped or cowed like the GOP has been by trump and the MAGAS, the old guard of the dem party (Nancy, steny, chuck, clyburn) is a lot less pliable than the cowards and helpless in the GOP

I think Bernie is a good and principled person for the most part, but I don’t understand his thought process in making everyone you will need to work with your enemies.

If you know from get the GOP is gonna block everything you do, then you have alienated and antagonized ur own party and ur movement has a ceiling, where do u go from there? What do you do as president?

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327. "and if the Dems can’t beat Trump... "
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****************
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329. "Good that's what happens when you talk about "
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primarying the Black man back in 2011

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301. "When the mask is off - I feel like this is what the Dem party is today:"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnBhtwKRFhA

lmao.

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306. "I see we are just going to ignore Adam Savage endorsing Warren"
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https://twitter.com/donttrythis/status/1234617441264832512

myth busted!



or something

  

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310. "Late polls show Biden with gigantic gains on Super Tuesday"
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Significant bounces going Biden's way. I know, shocking.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485660-polls-show-big-bounce-to-biden-ahead-of-super-tuesday

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312. "bloomberg: joes taking votes away from me"
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https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1234864174712446979
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JUST IN: @MikeBloomberg here in Miami describes the state is the race this way: “Joe’s taking votes away from me.”
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man if yall dont come get your boy.

  

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314. "I hope he doesn’t get more than 10 delegates today"
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And he just goes away.

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317. "i think biden gets more than 10 delegates, hes not going anywhere"
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oh you mean bloomberg.



yes to both.

  

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333. "I hope Bloomberg gets 0 delegates and goes home"
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he has no place in this election except to atone for painting the Senate red and turning that money toward Democratic Senate races.

  

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315. "Biden is having a rally in Oakland today—Kamala to endorse? "
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If she does endorse this morning I wonder if even though it’s day of Super Tuesday if it’ll be seen at “too late”.

  

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331. "Comey just came out for Biden ... lol"
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In a fair and just world my kink would be reading horrible political takes and I’d spend my days just squirming in my seat on the edge of explosion.

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335. "ugh. That’s unwelcome. What say does he have? Another person "
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That just needs to go away

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338. "It's almost like he's trolling Hillary."
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Why would a man that worked for an agency that is typically nonpartisan feel the need to endorse anyone?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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339. "Because he’s a bitch. "
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Fuck James Comey

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356. "bum ass."
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337. "DNC is actually trying to save America"
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These huge shifts never happen this early.

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346. "As the polls are closing, i have a couple of questions"
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*beyond who you want to win i.e.*


1. what are some of the things you are looking at -vis a vis turnout -to give you hope for nov 2020?
- for me: i'd like to see a higher percentage of voters overall
- and especially younger people. its crucial they get involved in the political sphere
- there's probably other demographic breakdowns i should look at (race, e.g.), but my priority is turn out and young folk

2. how will the results affect how you vote down-ballot in nov
- are you voting for an all dems ticket or are you... being selective (i am thinking congressional seats here, tbh)
- are you thinking about the local elections as well - e.g. i voted for the primary for cummings seat here (MD) and i think there's a mayoral election too that is pivotal. i am definitely very much focused on the local level

3. are you planning on campaigning, canvassing, getting out the vote, etc. regardless of the nominee
- i think this one is interesting. for me, i am kind of unsure.
i have canvassed before... I lean on yes, because that idiot in the white house, his cabinet needs to go - as do most republicans
but i guess this question really should be is your political activism based on who the eventual nominee will be or are you aware of the threat that a 2nd 45 term carries and its all hands on deck.

or
4. are you one of those who think in *some* cases (e.g. if your preferred nominee does not win) then you can live with a 2nd term for trump? this i am curious about.
(full disclosure: i felt that way about bloomberg - like if he won i'd be like fuck it not voting. but then.... when i think of the judiciary (not just SC - what mcconnell as been doing with these lifetime appointments)... and i will vote for a toothpick before i sit out nov 2020.

other questions?

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347. "sadly young voter turnout has not been a bright spot all primary."
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> - and especially younger people. its crucial they get
>involved in the political sphere

looks like the trend is continuing today:
https://twitter.com/spettypi/status/1234969189321973760
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Breaking news: young people still don't vote. In NBC News exit poll, 13 percent of voters were between 18-29
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even tho turnout was up generally in concluded states so far in terms of raw numbers (not sure about percentage wise like you indicated)...young voter and 1st time voter participation has been lagging.

  

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348. "this has me worried"
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>even tho turnout was up generally in concluded states so far
>in terms of raw numbers (not sure about percentage wise like
>you indicated)...young voter and 1st time voter participation
>has been lagging.

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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352. "yeah this is discouraging"
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and, again, really makes the argument that Bernie will bring in young voters...uh, shaky at best.


https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200303-super-tuesday/share/youth-vote-not-keeping-pace-55.html


More importantly, its scary as we go into the general. What WOULD scare the kids enough to vote?

  

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361. "i thought climate change woulda been that issue."
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this is reminding me of the last election in australia.

the liberal (lower case) party over there (labor) decided to make climate change a centerpiece to their election strategy expecting to energize young voters.

the conservative party (named the liberal party) trailed in polls the entire time and then ended up pulling off a surprise victory that nobody thought they would win (sound familiar?). young voters didnt turn out like that (among other issues).

  

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353. "old dems and repubs in charge have successfully cooked young..."
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people's enthusiasm.

  

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359. "or maybe constantly calling everyone corrupt and saying both parties"
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are the same (even tho one party cares about climate change...an issue the overwhelmingly resonates with young people) is suppressing their vote.

i mean...young voters arent even turning out for bernie (who is supposedly going to upend the establishment).

  

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349. "RE: As the polls are closing, i have a couple of questions"
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>*beyond who you want to win i.e.*
>
>
>1. what are some of the things you are looking at -vis a vis
>turnout -to give you hope for nov 2020?
> - for me: i'd like to see a higher percentage of voters
>overall
> - and especially younger people. its crucial they get
>involved in the political sphere
> - there's probably other demographic breakdowns i should look
>at (race, e.g.), but my priority is turn out and young folk
>
the latinx vote could be key in the general and might be something that we see signs of tonight in california and texas. did trump succeed in scaring them/us or will we see a surge?

>2. how will the results affect how you vote down-ballot in
>nov
> - are you voting for an all dems ticket or are you... being
>selective (i am thinking congressional seats here, tbh)
> - are you thinking about the local elections as well - e.g. i
>voted for the primary for cummings seat here (MD) and i think
>there's a mayoral election too that is pivotal. i am
>definitely very much focused on the local level
im pretty much vote D all the way come general. not sure i have any other option besides R or libertarian. i was overwhelmed at how many options i had with local and state offices. i am definitely interested to see what happens in the senate, as a texan i need to see a democrat unseat cornyn. this race kind of mimics whats happening in the general. the likely outcome of tonight is a runoff between a "moderate" and a "liberal".

>
>3. are you planning on campaigning, canvassing, getting out
>the vote, etc. regardless of the nominee
> - i think this one is interesting. for me, i am kind of
>unsure.
>i have canvassed before... I lean on yes, because that idiot
>in the white house, his cabinet needs to go - as do most
>republicans
>but i guess this question really should be is your political
>activism based on who the eventual nominee will be or are you
>aware of the threat that a 2nd 45 term carries and its all
>hands on deck.
this might depend on the candidate. its going to be hard to get myself to push people to vote for bloomberg. i wouldnt be excited to do so for biden either. maybe for the senate race. because of trump i do feel the urgency to do what i can.

>
>or
>4. are you one of those who think in *some* cases (e.g. if
>your preferred nominee does not win) then you can live with a
>2nd term for trump? this i am curious about.
>(full disclosure: i felt that way about bloomberg - like if he
>won i'd be like fuck it not voting. but then.... when i think
>of the judiciary (not just SC - what mcconnell as been doing
>with these lifetime appointments)... and i will vote for a
>toothpick before i sit out nov 2020.
i think im getting over bloomberg, IF he is the choice somehow then i will vote for him over trump. lets just hope thats not the case.

>
>other questions?
ive noticed in most of the elections so far theres a pundit on cnn (i think) that seems to be calling the shots. he urged amy to come out and act positive before the iowa results and she did it and had that big bump in NH. really early on saturday he was demanding that the moderates drop out and unify. ill definitely be looking to see what he says tonight. im curious to see what the overall narrative is tonight.

  

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351. "i have a list of senators"
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> i am definitely interested to see what happens in the
>senate, as a texan i need to see a democrat unseat cornyn.
>this race kind of mimics whats happening in the general. the
>likely outcome of tonight is a runoff between a "moderate" and
>a "liberal".

that i am hoping will lose in november.
corryn is mos def on that list.
as is lindsey and collins
i need to look at who else is up
but tbh, i am hoping all republican senators up for reelection lose their seats
hoping that will send a message to that useless party to get its act together
and find some goddamn principals

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424. "im seeing some senators start posting about the senate"
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*which is very welcome and should be a bigger focus than just the presidency
without the senate we are going nowhere

specifically this in NC

Sen Murphy
https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1235026688699817989
"Army veteran Cal Cunningham won the North Carolina Senate primary tonight.

Polls show him LEADING in the general, and if he wins, then Democrats win the Senate.

Liu
https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1235026341495332864
"In a recent NBC/Marist poll, Army Veteran Cal Cunningham beats @realDonaldTrump enabler Thom Tillis 48% to 43%."


i'd like to see more of this.
without the house and senate we are wasting time and space

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350. "Biden projected to win VA, Bernie to win VT"
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355. "biden got 63% of the black vote in virginia."
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over 40% more than the next candidate (sanders)

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1234993629321519104
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Black voters in Virginia via preliminary @CNN exit polls:

Biden 63% (!)
Sanders 18%
Bloomberg 10%
Warren 7%
Klobuchar 1%
Steyer 1%
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biden actually outperformed the exit polls in sc among black voters and might do that here too.

so biden is putting up these massive margins with black voters in the region where the majority of black voters live...but bernie is supposed to be polling ahead of biden with black voters nationally?

where is vex with his 'the data shows' ass?

  

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357. "they about to call black folk the establishment"
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*and maybe elite*
there may be some *low information voters* thrown in there too

in much the same way they did with SC

i cant wait for this shit to be over

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358. "lmao and smh"
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362. "'who is paying them?!!!'"
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367. "btw sanders got 16% of the black vote in va in 2016."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Virginia_Democratic_primary

so he increased his support by 2%.

this is even worse when you consider biden most likely lost some small degree of black support to bloomberg too (weird to type out). bidens margins could conceivably be even bigger.

red rose twitter told me bernie was making inroads with black voters and had the broadest most diverse coalition known to man.

  

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369. "lololol "
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>
>red rose twitter told me bernie was making inroads with black
>voters and had the broadest most diverse coalition known to
>man.

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354. "delegates at stake "
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1,344 delegates are at stake tonight. Here's how they break down:

CA = 415
TX = 228
NC = 110
VA = 99
MA = 91
MN = 75
CO = 67
TN = 64
AL = 52
OK = 37
AR = 31
UT = 29
ME = 24
VT = 16
American Samoa = 6

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360. "Biden pro’d to win NC"
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363. "Bloomberg takes American Somoa"
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He finally found a spot where luxury fascism was a winning message. Proud of our boy. He earned this.

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365. "lmao"
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what a strange country.

  

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368. "apparently tulsi also won a delegate"
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373. "wtf?"
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who are these people?

  

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376. "Tulsi is Samoan fam"
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Unlike Warren, she's an actual Indigenous person.
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379. "i assumed she was born/bred hawaiian."
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364. "Bloomberg gets American Samoa. Had 7 full time paid staffers"
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There lol. Must be nice to have money to blow

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608. "Highest obesity and Type 2 Diabetes rates in the world."
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And they went for the soda banning guy...

  

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366. "Biden looks like he'll sweep the south tonight"
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I can just smell the Biden/Amy bumper stickers being printed.
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370. "Fuckin' Virginia"
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That place affirms its status as the absolute worst. Sure, there are horrifying ghouls elsewhere, but riding lawnmower dads who are (reasonably) suspicious that their wife is having an affair with their yoga instructor *love* Joe Biden.

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371. "LOL"
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>That place affirms its status as the absolute worst. Sure,
>there are horrifying ghouls elsewhere, but riding lawnmower
>dads who are (reasonably) suspicious that their wife is having
>an affair with their yoga instructor *love* Joe Biden.

Somehow, this couldn't be more accurate lol.

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380. "I used to commute through Langley"
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Just beautiful, quaint and tasteful homes on huge plots of land for people who trundle off to work to do morally shocking things in service of American capitalism and return home to whatever the 2020's version of pot roast is. Like a kale salad with shrimp or what the fuck ever.

I actually still work at that spot. I just changed my route because I wanted to not start my day in despair. And also because of a speedtrap.

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372. "prolly comes down to the bernie margins in cali."
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moving cali up in the calendar really helped him because he had a shit ton more money than everyone else (besides mike/tom) and could run a more robust campaign operation in the state.

candidates used to go through the calendar...raise money as they gained momentum and the field narrowed down...then made their play in ca.

so bernie *should* do really well there (with the lion share of their massive 400 delegates). especially with much of the early vote already banked before biden got that post-sc momentum.

but if bernie underperforms and biden (with his 1 padlocked state field office lol) overperforms...then houston we have a problem.

  

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375. "Either way you slice it - this is a monstrous night for Biden"
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He sweeps the south - looks competitive in Mass and Maine early on. That alone may neutralize a lot of the Cali gains for Sanders.

Sanders has to have a strong plurality (if not a majority) to win the nomination. Sanders needs breakout wins in both California *and* Texas to hold a substantial lead.


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381. "the more things change the more things stay the same."
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obviously still early and anything can happen.

but with all of the chaos/disorder/abnormality of the last few years...its pretty remarkable how much broader historical trends have held up.

  

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374. "Bama pro’d for Biden"
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377. "reminder: no dem has won the nomination without winning the black vote"
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since 1988 (jesse jackson).

and sc has picked the dem nominee every election since 1980 except for 2004 (john edwards...from sc).

  

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383. "btw repubs have only won the popular vote once since 1988."
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and that was with an incumbent with post-9/11 60% approval at election time.

but this is an entirely different convo.

  

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378. "so basically we might be trading one old white man for another old white..."
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382. "I mean, that's been true practically this whole primary"
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Bernie and Biden are both old white men lol

  

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388. "using that logic - might as well vote Trump"
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398. "not really. i'd never vote for trump"
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but given where we started at the beginning of this thing
its really disappointing that *this* is where we end
from quite a broad and refreshing field to basically this.


so no. that's not what my statement meant at all.

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396. "pretty much our entire history."
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our diversity at the presidential level has basically been old white guy or young white guy lol. then that 1 muslim lol.

  

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399. "tbh, i was looking for an exciting nominee"
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that would be a contrast to the idiot-in-chief
i think back to the broad field we started with
and its down to this, lol


i don't know if this is evidence of a broken primary system
or the fund-raising challenges of campaigning
or... shit i don't know

but overall its disappointing.

here's hoping we have enough to beat 45

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407. "im there with you."
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no dream candidates available this go round and i borderline hate everyone still left in the race lol.

its gonna be a tough haul come november. hopefully president obama got some juice left in him.

  

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384. "the fact that biden is doing this with little money and organizing"
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is wild.

that nytimes story had me thinking buzzards were circling his lifeless campaign and now dude is rolling like john kerry post iowa.

  

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385. "I get why people dont like all the candidates left."
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But I'll never, ever understand for the life of me how people think Joe Biden can beat Trump in a general election.

What a shitshow the DNC is.

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389. "People will deny this to the grave......"
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>But I'll never, ever understand for the life of me how people
>think Joe Biden can beat Trump in a general election.
>
>What a shitshow the DNC is.

...but this primary is just as much about stopping Sanders as it is anything else for a lot of Dem party power brokers.

Biden will get W A S H E D in a general.


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406. "why do yall continue to dismiss the actual voters?"
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somehow the inept and largely useless dnc is also some omnipresent mind control operation.

what if the majority of democratic party voters just arent enamored with the politics of senator sanders (and his campaign/surrogates)?

why do bernie supporters have such difficulty believing that?

a lot of people just like someone else more. its not a sin.

plus pissing off the establishment is also pissing off real people who put that establishment in office.

i mean...if i constantly insult and demonize the dallas cowboys...i wouldnt be surprised if most of their fans turn against me!

  

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390. "I didnt think it was all that complicated to see how Biden beats Trump"
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397. "so how does he?"
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404. "Biden has dementia. So does Trump, but Trumps charismatic "
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448. "You can literally see Joe's brain melting when he speaks."
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We are so fucked.

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386. "Warren is third in her own state right now"
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If she doesnt drop out after tonight....

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387. "Trump is prolly so sick that none of the media coverage is about "
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Him right now, shoulda let the GOP primary play out and let Sanford and weld get beat so he could hear his name as a winner

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391. "Looks like Bloomberg might be throwing a wrench in things"
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Racking up a handful of delagates here and there.

Looking like a contested convention is in the works

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401. "how? he's picked up... what? 4 delegates??"
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392. "Bernie has made some serious missteps"
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But if you can't see that Warren is actively harming him at this point, I dunno what to tell you.

Once it became clear the thumb was on the scale for Biden, she should have dropped out after not even coming close to winning a state.

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405. "lol"
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393. "sanders 2016 coalition has noticeably shrunk."
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https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1235002030378422272
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Sanders's pledge to bring new voters into his movement seems fairly empty in the results we're seeing so far. His coalition has shrunk since 2016, not grown.
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its not just the multiple candidates. its the margins that bernie has lost ground on. like the white working class in oklahoma where he cleaned clintons clock.

he might still pull off the nomination but it isnt because of some broad unifying movement. its just a fervent concentrated hardline base and him being able to capitalize off a divided field.

anti establishment and insurgent politics are hard to pull off on the left. the dem base isnt really built that way. we generally believe in institutions and opening arms to people. bernie and his campaign would have been served better to take a 'catch more flies with honey' approach instead of inciting non-pro-bernie voters.

  

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409. "really interesting, he’s ceiling is very real. All the ppl initially i..."
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Race helped mask it (to some) but his ceiling is very real.

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394. "It's impressive to see Biden come back from the dead this way."
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Just purely on some political G shit, I don't think I've seen anything like this since I've been paying attention to politics.

  

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395. "And I can't figure it out."
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Outside of some serious The Wire/Game of Thrones shit on the DNC's part (which happened, obviously)...who the hell LIKES Joe Biden?

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400. "Exit polls are saying old people scared by the coronavirus"
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410. "lol"
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414. "It's why you can't get too caught up in the poli-sci, high level thought"
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of this. On the whole, people are irrational, and impressionable.

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402. "The *story* is a cable news creation"
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Biden rose from some legitimately earned bad showings in the first several states in order to accomplish something that everybody already thought he was going to do. We patted him on the back and endowed his earned, but expected victory with the notion of momentum and now we're here.

The interesting thing is everybody is pretending that it's not a real possibility that he'll sound like his brain doesn't work next time he's asked to speak extemporaneously. We've all seen him in the debates over the last several months and in some of his sort of surreal showdowns with regular voters over fairly normal disagreements. And I'm not saying this in a "he can't lead" kind of way (because his actual beliefs are sufficient evidence of that) but in a "he may reveal that he does not have a full grasp of reality on live TV by telling a made-up story about a civil rights figure and calling a debate moderator dollface."

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403. "Lowkey this is kind of hilarious. I mean that. Genuinely comical."
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So far it's looking like VT is the only state Bernie will win at all. That's so blatantly ridiculous that laughter is the only response that makes any sense to me. Like a surprise plot twist in, as you mentioned GoT. Or at least shocking, like Silvio killing Adrianna on the Sopranos. Like an "OH SHIT!!!" moment at the end of the next-to-last episode of "Election: 2020:.

  

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408. "Qn: given that biden's comeback is powered by black voters"
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*from what i've read/seen

e.g.: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/02/us/politics/2020-democratic-delegates.html
and astead has had some excellent reporting when it comes to the black vote. *including SC

what does it mean when we are throwing around establishment, power brokers, etc
dont you think it is dismissive of black folk who are choosing to back biden? regardless of what *you* think of him or your preferences?

explain yourselves
im trying to understand here

otherwise it sounds like y'all picking a bogeyman here

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417. "the deep dark state."
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430. "it's really curious"
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happened to me the other day with 2 people
i was talking about something related to the 2016 election
(basically my mentor wrote two of her nephews out of her will because she *suspected* they voted for trump. she has no kids
until a mutual friend convinced her to at least find out first - and one nephew was lucky enough to get back in the will)

they were like
so if he votes for bernie this time doesn't that earn him some points?
me: i doubt she's forgiving 2016. and also doubt she's a bernie supporter. i mean i am #teamwarren - im pretty sure she is too

they pull that oh 'establishment', elite move
and i was like hold on wait a minute, wtf?
these are two white boys.
it was like an automated response


i'm so over it.

let people choose whomever they want to vote for without
tossing punditry sounding labels at them
its not the purity olympics

here's a funny
https://twitter.com/Freeyourmindkid/status/1235011258904203265

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433. "lmao @ that tweet. they really thought nina turner was harriet tubman."
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just piedpipering black folks toward the campaign.

now theyre mad at democrats for bringing them into the 'political process' *bernie hand circles*

  

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443. "*dead* at that tweet and this reply. I thought Bernie had made so "
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Much progress with Black voters. They had all manner of numbers and polls to back that up. Votes are the ultimate deciders. I love primaries, just give me the raw numbers

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411. "Sanders isn't losing because of Warren and Biden isn't where he is"
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Because of anything he's accomplished.
What happens when a party panders to a lost case?
You open up this seismic and intractable gap between the young and old.
No candidate was going to bridge that gap
But older always vote
And younger people don't, and have more road blocks to do so when they try.

The finger should be firmly pointed at the Democratic party for this divide where either a Biden candidacy or a Sanders candidacy doesn't represent the wishes of a sizeable portion of the party.

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412. "Bernie pro’d to win Colorado "
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413. "Sanders holding a steady lead in Texas at the moment"
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That would be a huge win and serve to neutralize Biden's Southern gains.

People (rightfully) talk about the vital importance of the Black vote - but don't talk enough about the Latinx vote. This is an emerging demo that Sanders seemingly has resonated with - and would be huge for the Democratic party if they could capture the imagination of the emerging Latinx generations to come.

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416. "sanders should thank God for the early vote in some states."
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cuz if it was just up to election day post biden momentum from sc...itd be messy.

biden could still get over the hump with election day vote in tx. but the early vote is most likely dampening his gains.

bloomberg is clearly siphoning off *a lot* of votes as well.

sanders should prolly thank him too lol.

  

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418. "nytimes showing sanders at 29% and Biden at 22% in TX so far "
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Biden will get a good chunk of dels from Texas if this holds, no blow out...

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597. "this is a real worry i have about biden"
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>People (rightfully) talk about the vital importance of the
>Black vote - but don't talk enough about the Latinx vote.
>This is an emerging demo that Sanders seemingly has resonated
>with - and would be huge for the Democratic party if they
>could capture the imagination of the emerging Latinx
>generations to come.

will biden be able to turn out the latinx vote vs trump? i think a significant percentage might stay home.

  

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415. "So far Biden above 15% in every state, including VT"
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Bernie above 15 in every state except Alabama

Definitely a two person race, both with come out with big hauls of dels.

The narrative remains up in the air

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419. "Biden gets Tenn"
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423. "62% of black vote."
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https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1235024725467754498
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Biden wins Tennessee @NBCNews projects. 62 percent of the black vote goes to Biden.
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when dude said black voters were his firewall...he wasnt lying.

those polls showing sanders ahead nationally with black voters look craaaaaazy.

  

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427. "^^^establishment"
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420. "Tulsi may have just qualified for the debates lmao"
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By winning a delegate, the DNC rule change may mean she's now able to return to the debates.

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598. "she will definitely show up too"
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i definitely want to see less people on the debates, for now it could be 4 which is much better than it has been. really should be 2 but im sure tulsi will show up if they dont find a way to not invite her or she doesnt drop out.

  

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421. "virginia turnout has nearly *doubled* from 2016."
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1235026060514701313
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and sleepy joe won it overwhelmingly. a lot of narratives getting put to bed.

  

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425. "good shit. And sheesh at how much Biden won VA by, smashed it "
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422. "damn biden won oklahoma."
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where bernie beat clinton by 10+ points.

fam if bernie is coughing up wwc midwestern states to unk unk...

  

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426. "It’s really inspiring to see democrats energized and unified"
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So quickly. Primaries definitely get ppl hyped and engaged for the general

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431. "i hope dems pull it together and win in november."
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not just because of trump and how much is on the line.

but just so we can have a historical reminder that we can fight viciously among ourselves to the point where it feels like we hate each other...then form like motherfucking voltron when its time to boot out some bitch ass republicans.

  

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432. "Unified? lol"
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I want whatever y'all are smoking.

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434. "yes *democrats* are unified. *yall* raggedy asses might not be."
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lol jk.

  

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436. "lol"
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438. "More so than they were before SC. Sorry it’s not benefiting Bernie "
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But it’s true. A good portion of Bernie supporters aren’t even democrats and exclaim it proudly. I’m talking about democrats, sorry not sorry.

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445. "You're gonna need those "not democrats" you're referring to"
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to have any chance for your boy Joe Biden to beat Trump.

Otherwise it's a landslide.

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450. "“Im” gonna need? Do you not want trump out of office too? "
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Y’all true colors are showing. I haven’t factored Bernie diehards into my equations for a while, I’m thinking about Obama trump voters in PA, Wi, and Mich. voters who found HRC off putting, im thinking about Black voters who stayed home in those states in 16. That’s who we’ll need

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451. "oh so now you want to refer to this as "us" and "we""
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after you've been generalizing and throwing everyone under a "y'all BBs" box for months lol.

It don't work like that playboy.

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455. "Did u just see how I said I’m not factoring in BBs lol. Ima leave U "
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Alone tonight, I can tell ur hurting. It’ll be ok

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463. "Congrats on Biden's big victories. "
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468. "i love both of yall. we all family. our house on 3."
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428. "United Health stock is up"
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I hate this country
https://twitter.com/tomwfranck/status/1235010281656455170

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551. "market jitters is what turned a lot of people toward Biden I think "
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Can't talk about a political revolution when all these old voter's 401ks are tanking

  

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429. "I didn’t expect Biden to do this well in Maine and Mass and Oklahoma"
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439. "wow @ ma. last pre poll showed bernie ahead of the field by 8 pts."
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now its looking like biden could take it.

  

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457. "ma officially called for biden. bonkers."
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469. "Thats insane, that and Okla. Biden camp bet the farm on SC and came "
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Up aces.

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435. "Warren not looking to be viable in *any* states"
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outside of her home state - and she's going to finish 3rd there! If she doesn't reach the 15% threshold in Cali this was a horrible miscalculation on her part to stay in the race.

Her brand is going to take real damage from this. Can't even carry your home state tho?! yikes.

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440. "ah come on don’t grasp for anything. U urself declared it a two "
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Person race in multiple posts. I know u looking for something to make this night feel better but let’s focus on Bernie and Biden lol

Stop attacking women, leave my Lizzy alone

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442. "Oh hell naw you don't get to do that:"
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>Stop attacking women, leave my Lizzy alone

You've been shitting on the Indigenous woman (and the only POC) still standing in the race for weeks.

And I've literally canvassed for Warren. But call it like it is: This is an ugly look for her.

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447. "Find the replies I shit on tulsi. Ur in a frenzy, it’s ok. I rarely me..."
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I couldn’t vote her. That’s all I’ve said. Find the replies. They don’t exist, u have me confused. Wipe the tears out of ur eyes and carry on lol

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460. "lol"
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"wipe the tears out of your eyes"

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464. "I shit on tulsi repeatedly, but I haven't brought her up in forever"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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441. "Not a good look by Warren"
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552. "Lot of Sanders supporters saying Warren costed him a few states"
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What are your thoughts?

I think there's some truth to it but last night would have still been a huge turning point for Biden either way.

  

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437. "Big rebuke to the idea u can buy ur way in, Bloomberg spent "
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Millions, Steyer spent millions and Biden barely spent anything at all(becuz he didn’t have it lol) and is cleaning up. Barely had campaign offices in some of these states

Name ID and earned media mean a lot

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444. "don't turn your nose up at his money yet"
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He'll make it rain on whoever the nom is in the general.

  

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452. "good. It will be better use of his money. He shouldn’t have wasted "
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The 500 mil he already has spent

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453. "spent just enough to do damage to biden in tx and co."
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one of the dumbest campaigns ever.

  

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446. "somebody please punch bloomberg in his face."
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1234999750052675586
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Reporter: "Would a third-place finish be good?"

Michael Bloomberg: "If there's only 3 candidates you can't do worse than that."

Reporter: "Well there is Elizabeth Warren also."

Michael Bloomberg: "I didn't realize she's still in, is she?" #SuperTuesday
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449. "LMAO. This dude ended up paying like $50 Million per delegate"
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and to think - he could've cleaned up Flint's water instead of this vanity project.

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454. "dude talking big shit on the 1st day hes on any ballot"
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and coming in a distant 3rd at best.

  

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475. "BAG TALK!!!"
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www.Tupreme.com

  

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456. "cali votes could come in and change this entire narrative lol."
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459. "Sanders will win cali but will it be a blow out? That the question "
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Becuz if it’s not, it’s not just a bad night for sanders, it’s a super bad night

We’ll see, cali been voting since Iowa. So a lot is already baked in

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465. "so far bernie has been underperforming across the board."
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that early vote is saving a lot of the bleeding in states like tx and presumably ca like you mentioned.

but them margins still might not be where he wants them to be.

he may still end up the delegate and pop vote leader but we all know what the real story of today was.

  

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461. "Nope. Regardless of what happens in Cali - the story is Biden"
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and the story should also be that Sanders may very well still be able to win a plurality - but not a majority threshold to win the nomination outright.

Ain't no way the Super Delegates nominate Sanders.

Joey Biden bout to make Trump look like an intellectual on the debate stage lmao.

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467. "joe aint standing for no malarkey. he will rise to the occasion."
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471. "lmao!"
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487. "he'll tell everyone he hugged mandela backstage"
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and will be ready to fight to ensure nothing major changes

  

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458. "Minnesota. Thanks Amy!!!"
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462. "Biden: This is my sister!!! "
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Man... Biden on the mic is scary.

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466. "remember: It's everyone else's fault if Bernie doesn't win."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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470. "lol"
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472. "LMAO at Biden's speech. "
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Trump was threatening to not debate the Dem nominee - but after tonight he's def gotta be reconsidering that.

Biden bout to make Trump look like a gifted orator lol.

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474. "this election is about to be so depressing. "
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484. "lol. it really is. i don't plan on watching any of it"
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i will just wait to vote blue no matter who in november

even if biden shits his pants on stage, i am still voting for him if he's the nominee
i need the orange menace and his team of lackeys (devos, pompeo, munichin, carson, kucineli, kudrow etc) out.

its amazing that *this* is where we are at.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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491. "sameski. im tuning it allllll out and just showing up at the poll."
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>i will just wait to vote blue no matter who in november
>
>even if biden shits his pants on stage, i am still voting for
>him if he's the nominee
>i need the orange menace and his team of lackeys (devos,
>pompeo, munichin, carson, kucineli, kudrow etc) out.
>
>its amazing that *this* is where we are at.

  

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617. "The first Biden Trump debate will be the highest rated debate "
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of all time, and might get Super Bowl types ratings. And it will be a complete, total, and utter shitshow.

  

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638. "at least maybe Biden takes a swing at him..."
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473. "story of the night should be: black folks change elections."
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and continue to be underestimated in polling/analysis/etc.

and also the media needs to smack itself for how much content and narrative priority it devoted to iowa and new hampshire.

had people thinking biden was dead and moderates were gonna consolidate around p booty.

  

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478. "Yup. Also: Clyburn the Kingmaker"
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Clyburn changed the entire course of the 2008 primary when he shocked the Dem Establishment and rocked with Obama.

In 2020 - he did the exact opposite - shocking the world and siding w/ the Establishment.

Clyburn got that juice.


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494. "you gotta stop viewing everything through the binary prism"
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of establishment vs 'progressive'.

i think it would help with a lot of blind spots.

  

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530. "I disagree."
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It is binary to view politics as simply a tension of left v. right - which is the tendency of most analysts. Viewing it under the lens of multiple factions vying for the heart of the party infers multiple perspectives *within* each partisan banner - which creates a spectrum of political views that are defined as "Left".

This primary was very much about progressive policies/platforms (Sanders/Warren) against the eventual moderate consolidation of power within the old guard of the party.

Pointing that out isn't being "binary" - it's just observing the tensions within the party.



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476. "As good of a night as it's been for Biden, Sanders is closing strong"
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on the West Coast. That "Brown wall" (c) Chuck Rocha in Texas is holding for Sanders with the Latinx vote thus far. He wins Colorado (where Biden gets zero delegates) - and wins Utah. If he gets a big win out of California - he might actually run up the delegate lead a bit to close out.

But what a surprise in Massachusetts w/ Biden winning there.

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492. "Biden *is* getting delegates from Colorado. U may want to check again"
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477. "Why is it so hard to vote in Cali?"
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3 working machines in one location?

Charlotte usually has like 8 to 10 machines in each spot.

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481. "It isn't. "
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We dropped our votes off yesterday.



>3 working machines in one location? .
>
>Charlotte usually has like 8 to 10 machines in each spot.
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486. "my spot had at least 30 machines "
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496. "I had no problems."
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479. "California already called for Sanders"
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Huge for Sanders.

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480. "jeff sessions fails to win the GOP nom, lol. its a runoff"
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482. "looks like biden will take 10 states and sanders will take 4."
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obviously ca was the crown jewel and could ultimately tip the balance.

ma and tx looking like tossups right now but both seem to be leaning biden.

most of the states biden won he didnt even have a field operation in or spend any money on air time.

once again...bernie should be grateful he got them early votes banked when much of the press had written off biden. it could have been a lot worse for him if election day was a bigger share of the vote.

  

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502. "Yep. Bernie losing mass, Maine, and now seemingly Texas is an"
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Undeniable failure on his and his campaigns part.

Cali saved him from an utterly ruinous night but it’s still squashes his front runner status completely

With Biden having a ground game in most of theses states that could be best be described as amateur hour, vs Bernie’s well funded and established ground game, it just really drives home that voters weren’t sold on him as the nom, myself included obviously

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483. "Biden sweeps the South; Sanders sweeps the West "
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Biden dominates the Black vote; Sanders dominates the Latinx vote

Sanders should walk away with a delegate lead tonight (after California numbers roll in).

This is going to be a long march to the convention - and likely an ugly one.

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485. "Bernie better start energizing the youth vote more effectively."
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488. "im wondering what the hell more can his campaign do"
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to pull the young people who have the most at stake

  

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506. "not gonna lie i haven't followed the campaign closely..."
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and i'm also not "young"...

...so maybe they have done this and I'm unaware by why isn't Bernie (despite his own age) speaking directly to young voters literally, like saying "yo, the future is for the youth, you gotta stop letting these old outta touch fucks run the world. they make shitty policies for y'all and they aren't gonna be here much longer but YOU will have to live under them."

i realize the irony of that coming from someone who is 78 but there's also an age limit to run and buttigieg (sp?) was the youngest of course but he's fairly unappealing to the youth it seemed.

i dunno. that approach just seems so obvious yet i've never heard anyone say it. like, lead a youth revolt basically.

  

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513. "bernie campaigns hard to young voters and college students."
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does everything you say he should do.

draws massive rallies full of them. obviously connects with them.

but he doesnt seem to be inspiring them to actually vote.

i have no idea why that is but im genuinely curious about whats going on.

  

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526. "Its clear to me. These are the same folks that say voting doesn’t "
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Matter and dems are just as bad as repubs. When ur in college is easy to be caught up in movements and go to rallies, be around like minded ppl, hearing someone u have affinity for saying the things u want to hear and...then go back to ur dorm room and say how awesome that was

I’ve always suspected that a good number of people at his rallies don’t actually vote.

And he brings it on himself, when u speak about revolution so much and not electoral and political realities u can’t be mad when that doesn’t translate

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529. "all good points."
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489. "biden dominated the east and midwest too."
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it looks like bernie coughed up leads in tx and me.

cali basically saved bernies night.



  

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490. "I wouldn't say he dominated there "
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Massachusetts and Maine were quite close (Vermont doesn't count lol).

It's in those two states (and California) where Warren really ate into potential Sanders votes.

But there's no doubt that it was a monstrous night for Biden - which is why I'm calling the race for him lol.


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493. "i mean he won every east coast state but sanders home court."
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even 2 states where sanders had significant polling leads against the field.

sanders spent money and time in these places.

wait til biden gets this rush of fundraising and an actual ground operation.

  

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500. "we overestimate that."
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>wait til biden gets this rush of fundraising and an actual
>ground operation.

Biden didn't even have a field office open in Virginia and he bodied the entire state. Bloomberg has spent nearly a billion dollars - littered the states with his offices and egregious staffing operatives - and he performed horribly.

Biden's winning because the moderate base has consolidated around him - and the progressive base remains somewhat fractured.


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503. "bernie had a 14(!) pt polling lead collapse in maine."
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theres something more going on than just moderate consolidation lol.



  

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557. "Everyone dropped out and endorsed Biden"
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I didn’t think it would have this much of an impact tho.

I think what we are seeing is Hilldawg had a lot of resistance from Dems in 2016 and Biden is getting working class whites

What’s crazy is dude isn’t even showing up to states. He got that Obama fairy dust on him.

Still worried me because he doesn’t sound too hot on the mic.

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564. "If we're gonna play the moderate/progressive game,"
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Bloomberg took a lot more votes away from Biden than Warren took from Sanders.

The 'progressives' just didn't come out to vote.

>Biden's winning because the moderate base has consolidated
>around him - and the progressive base remains somewhat
>fractured.

  

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498. "Lol"
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495. "Texas too close to call - Biden just took a slight lead"
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511. "Biden’s lead growing in Texas per nytimes. Wow "
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518. "theres no way to downplay that."
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sanders had a 10 point lead on biden in tx just a few *days* ago.

bloomberg is even eating into bidens tally.

  

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539. "it looks like over 60% of black folks in tx voted for biden."
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a constant theme tonight.

seriously who were these pollsters who had bernie competitive and even winning black voters nationally?

  

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497. "bernie had 3 years to improve his relationship with black voters."
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he also had the same amount of time to engage young voters and drive their turnout up.

do you think there will ever be any introspection from him or his folks on why they havent been as successful as they thought they would be?

im reading some of the condescending tweets of some of his surrogates about people who voted for other candidates and im guessing nah.

  

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499. "ceiling! Where’s bignick? Lord Snideness himself. "
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505. "on twitter calling for warren voters to give up"
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because that's where most of the voters are

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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509. "I can only imagine, their hate for warren is probably at it’s zenith "
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I still maintain that at least half of warren voters would go to Biden anyway. But she definitely was part of Bernie having a terrible night

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501. "Joe Biden did jack shit to win them himself"
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gonna be hilarious when he loses and those same black voters become the scapegoat!

  

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504. "Nothing about anything you said would be hilarious. "
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Trump winning another four years and Black ppl being blamed is not my idea of a laugh. I know u all’s emotions are raw but let’s not go off the deep end

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508. "doc been sounding straight up crazy lately."
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like stereotypical youtube/twitter bernie bro type shit (and i dont even like to throw that term around).

  

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660. "I've seen how this movie ends. y'all can pretend it'll be any different."
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676. "it's called sarcasm."
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but I am serious about not giving a fuck IF Black Biden voters get scapegoated.

the calculus of trying to figure out what white folks are gonna do when the rubber hits the road are real. there was something particularly defiant and petty about this move. not low info, but high disinfo.

I struggle to understand how someone looks at Joe Biden rationally and think "yeah, that guy's beating Trump... just because." he has no movement, he campaigned nowhere, there's no platform, there's no indication that people are going to come out in numbers to kick Trump out.

and if that happens I'm not gonna party, except on those getting their rocks off it not being Bernie. ESPECIALLY if they're Black. ESPECIALLY if they're Black conservative converts.

you play dumb nigga games, win dumb nigga prizes.


if all these votes went to Warren, I would not have the same response as I do with Biden.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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507. "i know bernie stans cant wait to scapegoat black folks."
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im not sure why you would find any enjoyment in that.

you been sounding really uncharacteristic lately.

  

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510. "lol right. Sanders made *gigantic* efforts to expand his base"
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He deployed a competent and committed group of Black surrogates and received the resounding endorsement from 100+ prominent Black scholars who touted his platform as being the most advantageous for Black (and all) lives in America:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/29/step-away-fascism-and-toward-brighter-more-just-future-100-black-writers-and

Meanwhile, Joe Biden was Obama's VP and has never done anything of note to earn the Black vote.

To say that Biden made any effort to court the Black vote is just flat out wrong. He's borrowing the Obama brand. That's it.

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512. "well, if those efforts didn't work, then it's not because they were wron..."
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it's because black people are flawed, since bernie's campaign plan was flawless.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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515. "theyre so confused by all of this lol."
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516. "Congrats on your big night. "
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I know you've been working hard for this moment.

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541. "I followed the bernie stan playbook"
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I looked for people online who I disagreed with and yelled at them.

surely it earned hundreds of votes.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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572. "props to vex for at least being present, all the other rabid BBs on"
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This board scattered and hid like roaches.

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520. "serious question for you, doc, etc."
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why do you think bernie has such trouble with supposedly weak candidates?

why isnt he providing a more compelling alternative?

i mean...you can blame it on the old establishment, low info voters, barack residue, or whatever.

but after all of the investment you mentioned...along with him supposedly being the strongest candidate to put together a broad coalition in the general...he cant even get young people to turnout for him.

why do you think that is?

  

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522. "It's really quite simple to me."
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Bernie is an outsider - trying to redefine what it means to be a "Democrat" -- and the party stalwarts see him as a threat (because he is).

At the end of the day - Bernie is an immensely popular Senator - but he took on so many big fights. He is trying to fight big money in politics - the military industrial complex - the billionaire class - and the old-guard Establishment within *both* parties.

It was simply too tall of an order for anyone to take on - especially a near 80 y.o. Senator from a small state.

That said, win or lose, Sanders has inspired an entire new generation of politically active citizens.

It may just turn out to be that he was a prolific messenger who spoke of an America that is not quite ripe - not yet.


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645. "do party stalwarts = voters?"
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I'm not sure if you volunteer for the campaign, etc.

But if so- please, please try and raise a point about learning some lessons here.

This wasn't the establishment. This wasn't party stalwarts. This wasn't big money.

This was a majority of voters- the people who actually showed up to cast a ballot- choosing a senile segregationist apologist over the movement.


The question ya'll should be asking- it how the fuck did that happen? And...what can we do better moving forward?

Hillary was an awful candidate...yet Bernie lost to her.

Joe is an awful candidate...yet Bernie is losing to him.


We all want the same things here- but the movement needs to learn some big lessons, man.

Big lessons.






>Bernie is an outsider - trying to redefine what it means to
>be a "Democrat" -- and the party stalwarts see him as a threat
>(because he is).
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>At the end of the day - Bernie is an immensely popular Senator
>- but he took on so many big fights. He is trying to fight
>big money in politics - the military industrial complex - the
>billionaire class - and the old-guard Establishment within
>*both* parties.
>
>It was simply too tall of an order for anyone to take on -
>especially a near 80 y.o. Senator from a small state.
>
>That said, win or lose, Sanders has inspired an entire new
>generation of politically active citizens.
>
>It may just turn out to be that he was a prolific messenger
>who spoke of an America that is not quite ripe - not yet.
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656. "^^^^ And L-O-L"
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514. "i have to ask... are you hoping that biden loses?"
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>gonna be hilarious when he loses and those same black voters
>become the scapegoat!

it really reads as though this is where you are at.

i mean... my preferred candidate lost, but i am also very clear that there's nothing i want more than the orange menace out of the white house


is this not the case here?

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517. "you actually think Biden beats Trump?"
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Doc, Reeq & I all think Biden gets washed in the general.

This ain't about what we want to happen. We're waaay beyond that.


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519. "i do... if we as democrats get out act together"
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and coalesce around the nominee
he loses if we decide to sit this out because republicans will not do the same.
and i think we have shown that we have the mettle to actually turn up, organize and vote (2018 midterms)

so... perhaps the question here should be are we really saying that if its biden we are willing to risk the presidency, house and senate?
i definitely are not saying that
at this stage bernie is my last choice (bloomy doesn't count)
but if he's the nominee, i defintely want to see him winning
and that includes turning up, organizing and voting.

what are we really saying?

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527. "I don't think people understand the movement behind Donald Trump"
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This man is rallying thousands upon thousands everywhere he goes - and has won the narrative (even if it's full of lies and deceit). I don't think you beat Trump (when it's already historically difficult to beat an incumbent) by rolling out the same losing Hillary/Kerry/Gore recipe that has proven to be a losing formula.

Politics is not so much about left/right anymore as it is establishment vs. anti-establishment. We are in an anti-establishment era - and Dems are insistent on running the most traditional/establishment candidates that they can get away with coming out of the primary.

I'm sure most if not all of us here will vote for Biden. I'm also sure that legions of young voters who are aggrieved by this primary process and feel bullied will sit it out. Biden is a risky prospect when it comes to the very real possibility of depressing voter turnout. Obama won largely because he was able to bring out a lot of new/younger voters in large numbers. Biden may be borrowing the Obama brand - but he sure ain't Obama.

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531. "but legions of young voters *didnt* vote"
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I mean i am waiting to see the polling but it doesn't seem as though there were multitudes of young people participating in the primaries
and that's already a red flag.

i don't know about 'we are in an anti-establishment' period.
i don't know where you get this from.
if the political arena was about establishment vs anti then the progressives in the race would've done *much* better regardless of whatever else and certainly the 'establishment'
its the voters that count and my reading is that the voters aren't where *we* think they are.

>I'm sure most if not all of us here will vote for Biden.

and i hope this is the case - but i am not certain
in 2016 the electoral win was based on ~a 70k vote difference (i believe - this could be wrong)
and while we can talk about gerrymandering and all that
i also think dems failing to coalesce around the nominee plays a role in this
and this will be the same case if we do this again.

republicans dont have these qualms.
we are here projecting failure - i dont get it at all

if we lose? its going to be because of this right here
republicans arent losing sleep over voting for an idiot

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524. "i dont *want* him to lose tho."
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def wont find any enjoyment in it.

just historically things are pointing to a biden loss.

but i will bust my ass to do everything possible to help him defy history.

  

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521. "if bernie loses the total delegate lead tonight then its prolly a wrap."
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a lot of the remaining big delegate states are guaranteed biden victories in fl, ga, and pa. and states biden could conceivably pull off (especially after the momentum bump) like ny and il.

biden winning states like fl, ga, and pa alone would demonstrate his downballot potential in those crucial purple/swing races and why he should be the nominee.

the question then becomes would bernie folks accept the plurality winner.

  

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523. "It's a wrap."
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Even the most generous projections of California show that Sanders still would come out of tonight short on delegate count to Biden.

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528. "politics is a muthafucka mayne."
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its crazy how all the information you consume and discussion you participate in can make you believe things are going one way.

then they just up and go the other way.

it would prolly only be a slight exaggeration if you said *nobody* thought this would be the result back on friday.

  

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534. "btw what do you think bernies approach will be going forward?"
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while bernie and supporters were raging at the establishment (aka the politicians and the people who vote for them)...candidates like biden kept their arms open to welcome those establishment candidates and voters into his base later down the line. aka coalition building.

do you think bernie is gonna get more desperate and go extra hard with the bomb throwing or do you think he will strike a more welcoming tone to possibly lure in voters from other candidates and expand his base?

  

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613. "i think performance in the battleground states should be all we need"
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if either one gets clear wins there they should be the nominee full stop.

  

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525. "takeway: for progressives (and i'm including myself here)"
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because yes warren is progressive

this should be the takeaway
we clearly have a lot of work to do at the grassroots level
i am waiting to see the youth voter turn out - but if we cant get young people
to come out and vote for the very issues that directly affect them
then we are shit out of luck when it comes to older folk who want to protect their retirement money, tax breaks and way of living
this is not even about any single candidate right now
its about the fact that even though we are offering policies that *should* improve the life and wellbeing of most people
this message is not getting through
to me it's a credit to republicans - they have played a longer game than we have
they have solidly controlled the narrative (i mean... lets go beyond fox news and talk about radio, newspapers (sheldon) etc
lets talk about institutions - down to what schools can and should teach, they just sewed up the judiciary,
how we conflate military spending with patriotism
the fact that its only social welfare that needs to be budgeted for/accounted for etc
lets talk about the notions of morality and ethics and rights -
it feels as though even amongst us we are buying into a very narrow view of what society can and should look like (bootstraps, limited welfare state, low taxes etc)

i think that's my take away in all this.
how can we start to shift the narrative?
and it falls on all of us who want to see *something* different
its not a presidential cycle game... its really taking the longer-term approach
id love to see that happen.

otherwise?
*shrug*

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532. "Looking forward to Vex's "report card" post. "
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533. "you’ve got to be partying tonight "
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Congrats strav.

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536. "I've never liked Biden."
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I thought he was the biggest mistake Barack Obama ever made.

But he's the strongest general election candidate we had running (other than maybe Harris).

November will still be an uphill battle. But it got easier tonight.

Chin up, though. If Biden loses then some next-generation Sandersite can lose to catastrophically to Mike Pence in 2024.

  

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535. "this tweet from last year:"
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https://twitter.com/docrocktex26/status/1192562093133910017
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There’s NO path to the 2020 Democratic nomination that includes talking specious bullshit about Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. You can’t begin the primary process by alienating the base that ultimately decides the outcome but still expect to win it all. Stop it.
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538. "In the end, the conventional political wisdom came through."
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Just like everyone expected, Sanders hit the same ceiling he did in '16. Turns out running against the Democratic party can only win you so many Democrats.

Just like everyone expected, the youth "movement" Sanders cultivated was hopelessly out of touch with the broader electorate.

Just like everyone expected, Warren got pigeonholed as too wonky.

Just like everyone expected, the Obama legacy wins out among Democrats even in a vessel as flawed as Joe Biden.

  

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540. "true. you cant claim to be the best general election candidate"
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with a performance like this.

i at least expected bernie to juice up the young vote and dominate independents but he hasnt even done that.

he lost oklahoma so he will prolly catch a couple more losses in the midwest (where he dominated clinton).

and it looks like he will only hold a single digit lead in ca over biden even with bloomberg leeching moderate votes.

this wasnt a disaster but it might not even be a glass half full scenario either.

  

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542. "Oh and there's another thing..."
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another bit of conventional wisdom that'd been forgotten:

Biden seems to have all the upside that Clinton had, but he's also doing better than she did with "white working class" voters (there's a euphemism that hasn't been thrown around in a while) and midwesterners.

  

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544. "yup. biden prolly picks up some votes in the rust belt over 2016"
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just by being a man too.

i posted a poll a while ago with the difference between the favorability of male/females candidates among whites without college degrees...and it was stark.

i think its pretty clear that a lot those bernie votes in these type of areas were just anti hillary votes.

im not even sure what bernies exact coalition is right now. what states can you point to demographically and be confident bernies base can nail it down?

  

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537. "shaun king has basically become a straight up disinformation agent"
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this election cycle.

i dont know if any of yall follow him but dude regularly posts false and pre spun shit to trash other candidates, stoke pro-bernie grievances, etc.

its at the point that even maddow had to call him out.

https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1235087826720456704

  

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547. "shaun king warning the establishment not to override the will "
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of *young* voters.

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1234864642490556417
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The single dumbest thing that could happen would be for the establishment of the Democratic Party to try to override the clear will and preference of YOUNG VOTERS.

This is the path to defeat.

Young voters LOATHE @JoeBiden. And for good reason.

He will lose to Trump. Period.
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so now that it looks like bernie prolly wont represent the will of the voters...shaun king is demanding that the democratic party bow to the will of 10% of the voters.

theyre grasping at straws still tryna find ways to justify allegiance to their patron saint.

the nicknames that be popping up in his mentions from black twitter be killing me.

talcum x.
shames fraudwin.
shaka hulu.
vanigga ice.
hueless p newton.
w.e.b. dubleach.
t'chalka from wellkinda.
etc.

  

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548. "dude just got put on blast for making up sources close to beto "
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the other day.

https://twitter.com/Rob_Flaherty/status/1234684651802750981

https://twitter.com/DevonGrayCA/status/1234688923491688448

dude is forever on some chris broussard shit with 'several people have told me'.

he gets repeatedly exposed for it and still continues to do it.



  

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550. "You mean the nigga who created a charity to send himself mountain climbi..."
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And then failed to climb the mountain isn't on the up-and-up?

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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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553. "LOL @ 'even Maddow'. She and her network been against Sanders"
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that's not shocking in the least

  

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559. "dude is the worst"
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lol at Talcum X.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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543. "founder of the young turks cenk uygur currently in 5th place "
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with under 4% of the vote in his primary race.

you cant just yell about the establishment on social media and youtube all day and expect to win votes out here in real life.

a couple of other high profile 'progressive' challengers got washed tonight as well.

  

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545. "gotdamn, 5th?"
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I'm going to be honest, I don't at all understand the race he's in or how it works

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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546. "its a jungle primary"
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where everyone regardless of party runs in the same race and the top two candidates advance to the general.

  

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549. "i wonder how michael moore feels about this tweet now:"
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https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/1233938457170522113
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An emotional victory speech from Joe Biden tonight in South Carolina. After 32 years of running for President, he won his very first state tonight. Congratulations!
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smartass.

  

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563. "That line almost seemed like an official campaign talking point."
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Sanders surrogates were all over the place with it.

Then and now, they were gleefully dismissive of the South. Meanwhile, if we want to take the Senate, we'll desperately need some coattails to help people like Doug Jones and Jaime Harrison.

If I hear one more Bernie supporter complain "but we won't win the South anyway!"...

  

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554. "I hope Sanders sees the writing on the wall and throws in the towel soon"
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There aren't any feasible routes for him to get a majority, and he knows that he's not winning on the convention floor. The sooner he faces this unfortunate reality the better

All this "establishment" talk isn't helping anyone, himself included.


If he can get on the Biden train early enough, maybe his not so passionate supporters won't be too bitter. He could spin it as it not being time for a revolution, YET.

Let that happen and Bloomberg and Steyer throw their cash in the mix. Maybe get a little push from Putin. Biden could have a chance.

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556. "I don't see that happening soon at all"
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He's probably down about 65 delegates after California. There is def still a path for him yet.

Im not even sure Warren will drop out yet but if she does, those votes may go to Bernie and help him as well. Way too early for him to give up tho, even tho we all think its Biden's to lose now.

  

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561. "Pretty sure Biden’s people hope she stays in. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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612. "i hope he doesnt go scorched earth from here on out."
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he should take the lesson from this beating not to become *more* divisive.

he would prolly be in a better position if he ran a unifying campaign instead of just grievance/demonization.

  

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555. "NGL Biden is decent off the teleprompter. That speech in LA"
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made me think, hey THIS is the Biden everybody saw as a dark horse that could re-energize the Democratic party while Trump was coming to power.

He did still stumble a few times, but he kept the momentum going, even with the weird protestors climbing on stage.

I think he's going to get his ass handed to him in general election debates though, unless he has a miraculous reverse stroke or something.

  

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558. "These debates are going to be good theatre. "
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Trump sniffing and talking shit and Biden forgetting his point half way through an answer.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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569. "*dead* @ the "sniffing" lmaaoo... omg that is so accurate"
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570. "really going to be tough to watch if you're serious about it"
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But yeah, strictly as theater?

Wildly entertaining

  

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571. "Trump is such an anomaly "
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in terms of his support that I think the debates can only serve to hurt Biden and there's slim to no chance they'll help him out even if he doesn't have any verbal gaffes.

I say that mainly because four years ago, Hilary pretty much bodied Trump in all the debates from what I remembered and it didn't serve her any good at all.


I wish the stakes for this election weren't so high so I could enjoy the theater of Biden and Trump in the debates.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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575. "The debates are just sporting events now,"
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between already established factions. Especially at the general election level.

I think they might only serve as entertainment.

That said, Trump has repeatedly hinted that he wouldn't even show up for a debate. He doesn't like being challenged in public. In '16 he could act the plucky underdog. But this time around it'll be a referendum on him.

  

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576. "debates dont change ppls minds. it's GREAT theater though."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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593. "I think the debates decidedly nipped the Bloomberg campaign in the bud"
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618. "definitely. And they gave kamala and Amy their temporary bumps too"
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560. "Congrats to Biden on a yuge Super Thursday"
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We ignored the elephant in the room IRT Buttigieg

...well, maybe because Limbaugh was the messenger...

Are we really going to ignore Biden’s obvious cognitive decline

Looking forward to the debate on the 15th

Biden does not beat Trumpster.

Can’t believe people are being manipulated into turning the POTUS election into a celebrity roast competition

SMH

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582. "yeeeeeeeeeeup."
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it boils down to this:

Bernie can sell the people on "Getting Trump Out"
Biden will be NOT be able to sell the people on the "...and what?"

they gotta hope for depressed turnout for Cult 45.

Not happening.

Just as mass media manufactured consent for Biden, they will do so for Trump.

  

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631. "Doc nothing but love for you man"
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but Bernie couldn't even sell enough people to beat a senile man who hasn't set foot in a lot of these states.


The "movement" just isn't as big/powerful as we thought.


The coalition isn't as broad as some people said.


  

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641. "play dumb nigga games, win dumb nigga prizes."
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562. "Biden has never been my personal favorite"
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but I've always believed he was the best to beat Trump. I will do everything I can to support him. If we want Trump gone, I would urge everyone to do the same.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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568. "RE: Biden has never been my personal favorite"
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I used common sense and also voted for Biden.

  

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565. "Jeff Sessions done. Trump goin in on him like John Goodman in Big Lebows..."
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https://youtu.be/I0kfe5tkdD4


Trump: "This is what happens to someone who loyally gets appointed Attorney General of the United States & then doesn’t have the wisdom or courage to stare down & end the phony Russia Witch Hunt. Recuses himself on FIRST DAY in office, and the Mueller Scam begins!"

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566. "Where's reaction?"
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Did he vaporize into a bright poof of pure electoral energy?

  

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580. "I was wondering that too, it’s quite a few of them absent. Props "
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To vex at least. The rest seemed to have fled back into the woods to rage chant around a hemp fire

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583. "OK but yall were ghost before SC stop it "
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600. "Nope. Not true. I know y’all hurting right now so I won’t pile on"
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prototype

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615. "I'll admit to that. "
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As much as we all play up the rivalry here, it really isn't a sporting event. It really does matter, a lot, who the nominee is gonna be.

And when it looked like Sanders was the nominee I was genuinely depressed and not interested in talking about it. I wasn't even lurking around here between Nevada and SC. As much as I told myself I'd swallow my real concerns and vote for Sanders in November, I was not at all looking forward to it.

And I honestly can't blame any honest Sanders supporters for being depressed about this outcome and worried about the race ahead, even if I personally believe it'll be an easier race than it would have been with Sanders as the nominee.

I'm just tweaking Vex and reaction because they're kinda the epitome of dishonest Sanders supporters.

  

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625. "Respect"
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>And when it looked like Sanders was the nominee I was
>genuinely depressed and not interested in talking about it. I
>wasn't even lurking around here between Nevada and SC. As much
>as I told myself I'd swallow my real concerns and vote for
>Sanders in November, I was not at all looking forward to it.

Shows that you are hugely invested and I can't criticize that level of involvement no matter who your candidate is (unless it's Bloomberg)

>And I honestly can't blame any honest Sanders supporters for
>being depressed about this outcome and worried about the race
>ahead, even if I personally believe it'll be an easier race
>than it would have been with Sanders as the nominee.

Frankly I was a little bummed at the poor showing for Sanders last night, yes. I was interested in the resurgence of Biden in the political world a few years back and shared many people's favorable view of him. The political process has tarnished him unfortunately since and his performance at the debates have been off-putting, to put it mildly.

At the same time, with a lot of help from a focused staff and the party machine, he showed he can still bring people together and can speak convincingly and energetically. It's not grassroots and it doesn't gain any important political ground for my beliefs, but as far as winning a political battle, it will have to do.

  

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609. "RE: Where's reaction?"
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I think it's funny that most people are gleeful in here that they've stopped Bernie. The Bernie base cares first and foremost about policy, politics isn't a sport to us and we care about the material well being of others, hence "fight for someone you don't know". To me it is sad to be happy that 70,000 people a year will still die without M4A under Biden or Trump. That America will still have the most people in jail under Biden or Trump. That 500,000 people will still be homeless under Biden or Trump. That children will continue dying in Yemen under Biden or Trump. etc. etc.

I think a lot of people on here have nothing to really lose no matter who is in and live, comfortable, safe lives. That includes me, but I have empathy and compassion for the poor and disenfranchised and a Bernie administration would have had huge material effects on those people's lives and now it most likely won't. To me that is not cause for celebration.

Obviously things will be marginally better under Biden compared to Trump but there was so much hope for a truly better world with the Bernie movement. Does AOC have the stuff to make it next time, I think it's a possibility.

  

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716. "well said"
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723. "The problem is just how naive and/or disingenuous this all is."
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>I think it's funny that most people are gleeful in here that
>they've stopped Bernie. The Bernie base cares first and
>foremost about policy, politics isn't a sport to us and we
>care about the material well being of others,

If that was true then your movement would be fighting for small, incremental changes *at least* in cases where the big proposals wouldn't happen.

Obamacare (which admittedly was never "enough") improved the material well being of millions. The modest student loan forgiveness programs of the Obama years improved the material well being of huge numbers of Americans. Simply having more Democrat-appointed judges in the judiciary would improve the material well being of millions. There is no problem more important than climate change. The (extremely modest) regulations the Obama administration was able to put on auto emissions, the loan programs and research funding they gave to efficiency and alternative energy, actually made a quantifiable difference on this coming catastrophe.

A proposal that's too "radical" to become law doesn't do a fucking thing but provide an opportunity for its supporters to wash their hands of the world's problems. That's what I see the Bernie supporters doing.

>hence "fight for
>someone you don't know". To me it is sad to be happy that
>70,000 people a year will still die without M4A under Biden or
>Trump.

And they'd die without M4A under Sanders, too, because there is no way to pass it.

There's an outside chance we might be able to win back the senate. If a President Biden found himself with a Democratic House and Senate, he might actually be able to pass a public health insurance option, which WOULD save many of those tens of thousands of people.

If Sanders came into office, even if he had Democratic majorities in Congress, he would expend all his political capital on M4A and it would not pass. We know this. Who knows if he'd even be able to scale back to something real? What about all the people who die because Bernie didn't deliver them even a public option?

I have been a progressive for my entire life. I've spent my time and energy arguing that single-payer is the best kind of health care system since before OKP even existed. So, by the way, did Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama. No mainstream Democrat disputes the moral case for single-payer health care. And few, if they were unconstrained by weaponized misconceptions among the voters, would dispute the long-run economic case for it. But I also know that it's not a promise that any presidential candidate can make and honestly hope to deliver on. If it were to happen, it would require a moment of massive economic upheaval (that's why it was able to happen in Europe), and would cause more economic upheaval in the process. And in the short term, yes, it would cost people's lives. The fact that you pretend not to know about this reality, and dismiss as a shill of the insurance companies anyone who actually does understand it, is one of the best reasons not to ever take a Sanders supporter seriously.

>That America will still have the most people in jail
>under Biden or Trump.

Or Sanders.

>That 500,000 people will still be
>homeless under Biden or Trump.

Or Sanders. Why do you pretend that Bernie Sanders has the power to end homelessness?

>That children will continue
>dying in Yemen under Biden or Trump. etc. etc.

Etc. etc. Yeah, Bernie makes a hell of a lot of promises. You should look at them with a more skeptical eye.

>I think a lot of people on here have nothing to really lose no
>matter who is in and live, comfortable, safe lives. That
>includes me, but I have empathy and compassion for the poor
>and disenfranchised

Then why don't you care more about making their lives better? Why is your movement more important than actual progress?

>and a Bernie administration would have had
>huge material effects on those people's lives

It really is disturbing that you just take him at his word when he makes promises that he OBVIOUSLY could never deliver on. Bernie Sanders does not have any special powers. The only power he ever claimed to have was the power to drive a massive political movement. And that is now being revealed as the biggest lie he ever told.

>and now it most
>likely won't. To me that is not cause for celebration.
>
>Obviously things will be marginally better under Biden
>compared to Trump but there was so much hope for a truly
>better world with the Bernie movement. Does AOC have the
>stuff to make it next time, I think it's a possibility.

She might. The fever won't break for your movement until you get the kind of massive electoral loss to a Republican that you've had coming all along. If Biden doesn't make it (which is most definitely a strong possibility), then I imagine she will lose in a landslide to Mike Pence. Then a decade or so later we start running as "new Democrats" once again and finally start winning again, with candidates to the right of Joe Biden. I am not looking forward to that at all.

  

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567. "Biden would've easily beaten Trump in 2016 but it was Hillary's "turn"."
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573. "I think Biden's strategy has paid off. "
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He was the one candidate (well maybe any and petey) who was always running for the General Election and not necessarily the Primary.

It had a cost and seemed like a bad strategy because he seemed SOOOO right of everyone on stage at debates. Even tactically it cost him because he seemed unwilling to go after people who were attacking him and I think that contributes to the appearance that he was old and doddering. I am holding out that his approach with Trump will be totally different (more like those confrontations with protestors on the primary trail).

Anyway, now you have Bernie seemingly trying to pivot and running ads with Obama voiceover clips sounding like an endorsement. SMH.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1235202301658386433

Again, Biden isn't my guy, but I am not at all surprised but what is happening now.



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574. "Bloomberg suspends his campaign & endorses Biden (swipe)"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mike-bloomberg-drops-out-of-presidential-race/2020/03/04/62eaa54a-5743-11ea-9000-f3cffee23036_story.html
Mike Bloomberg, the billionaire former mayor of New York who had hoped to self-fund his way to the Democratic presidential nomination but was spurned by voters in Tuesday’s balloting, has dropped out of the race.

Bloomberg endorsed Joe Biden, saying the former vice president had the best chance to win in November.

“I’ve always believed that defeating Donald Trump starts with uniting behind the candidate with the best shot to do it. After yesterday’s vote, it is clear that candidate is my friend and a great American, Joe Biden,” Bloomberg said in a statement.

Bloomberg, a media tycoon worth an estimated $60 billion, entered the race in November and quickly spent hundreds of millions of dollars of his own money to flood social media, television and radio with ads that boasted “Mike Will Get It Done.” In a still-crowded field, Bloomberg projected an image through the airwaves as a moderate candidate with the governing experience, bravado and financial resources to take on President Trump.

Through exorbitant sums of money and despite skipping the first four state nominating contests, Bloomberg managed to rise in national polls, earning the ire of fellow candidates who accused him of trying to buy his way to the nomination. His unconventional campaign schedule also meant Bloomberg avoided any truly unscripted public appearances until the Feb. 19 Democratic debate in Las Vegas, for which he qualified after the Democratic National Committee changed its rules to eliminate a donor threshold.

Debating for the first time in more than a decade, Bloomberg appeared stoic and shaky in a performance that was widely panned. In particular, he was on the receiving end of several significant hits from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who opened the debate referencing allegations that he had made profane, sexist comments toward women.

“I’d like to talk about who we’re running against, a billionaire who calls women ‘fat broads’ and ‘horse-faced lesbians,’ ” Warren said within the debate’s first few minutes as Bloomberg stood stone-faced to her right. “And no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump. I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg.”

Later in that debate, Warren cornered Bloomberg on nondisclosure agreements his former employees had signed regarding sexual harassment or gender discrimination.

“We have a very few nondisclosure agreements,” Bloomberg acknowledged on the stage. “. . . None of them accuse me of doing anything, other than maybe they didn’t like a joke I told. And let me just — and let me — there’s agreements between two parties that wanted to keep it quiet and that’s up to them. They signed those agreements, and we’ll live with it.”

The Bloomberg campaign waved off his debate performance, vowing he would shake off the cobwebs in time for the next debate in South Carolina. But in a sign of their fear that her criticism had struck a vein, he later released three women from their NDAs; he said those were the only women who had made personal accusations about comments he made.

His focus remained on delegate-rich Super Tuesday states, where Bloomberg had been heavily advertising in the hopes of seizing support from underperforming moderate candidates — including former vice president Joe Biden and Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) — as well as blunting the rise of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

He began mocking his Nevada debate performance and was seen as doing better in a South Carolina debate, but the contrast between his smooth ads and his persona on the stage was so jarring that his poll numbers began to decline.

Worse for Bloomberg, Biden resurrected his candidacy with a strong showing in the Feb. 29 South Carolina contest and moved to consolidate the moderates who Bloomberg had hoped would flock to him in the event of a Biden collapse.

The day before the Super Tuesday primaries, in which Bloomberg appeared on the ballot for the first time, Klobuchar and former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg dropped out of the race and endorsed Biden. Former candidate Beto O’Rourke, a onetime congressman from El Paso, also endorsed Biden the night before Texans went to the polls.

Bloomberg spent Super Tuesday campaigning in Florida, insisting that he planned to stay in the race until the Democratic convention in July.

When a reporter asked whether he risked taking away votes from Biden, Bloomberg suggested Biden had as much responsibility as him to winnow the field.

“Joe’s taking votes away from me right now. I think that is true,” Bloomberg said. “Have you asked Joe whether he is going to drop out? When you ask him that, then you can call me.”

Bloomberg refused to set a bar for his own performance in the Super Tuesday voting, saying he was not sure he would win any state.

“I have no expectations for today,” he said about the voting happening around the country. “But we will have a decent number of delegates.”

He also acknowledged that his only path to the nomination at this point was a contested convention, resulting when no candidate receives a majority of the pledged delegates.

“I don’t think I can win any other ways,” he said. “But a contested convention is a democratic process.”

  

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"all that money that couldve helped Flint, MI"


          

or wipe out student loan debt flush down the drain

take a message

  

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577. "all that money that couldve helped Flint, MI"
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or wipe out student loan debt flush down the drain

take a message

  

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581. "he spent 0.8% of his net worth. EAT THE RICH"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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585. "at least he's gone. "
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Thanks, Liz.

Now, I would HOPE this means people understand that this is NOT ACCEPTABLE and should NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN... but if there's still an America by 2028, some other billionaire will try it.

Farewell, Alt-Biden.

  

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586. "Half a billion dollars"
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to get emasculated on live network television by Elizabeth Warren.

What a complete and total clown.

Gotta wonder how many dollars Doomberg is going to plunker down for this election because I have a feeling Biden and the DNC is going to need it. Badly.

Win or lose, if he's actually serious about helping Democrats win in Washington, his best investment is in trying to turn the Senate blue since I'm very very very doubtful on Trump losing this go round.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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578. "Corn Pop killer!"
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579. "Biden v. Trump = Cavs down 3-1 to DURANT Warriors"
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minus Kyrie and LEBRON.

but go off. Twirl in a circle.
Take that hot sauce out ya bag.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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587. "Actual footage of Trump walking down Dem noms in '16 & '20:"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVsah5EBKuI

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584. "DNC got their wish but Biden stands no chance against Trump"
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The man is clearly on the onset of senility and not sure how you can see that and think he'd be capable of being president or even continue running a campaign. I imagine it's only going to get worse before November and Trump will have no problem calling him out live in the debates. Plus Biden has no platform or message and despite all the shaming coming their way, many progressives will stay home and undecided voters won't be motivated by anything Biden has to say. There's sadly no way I see Biden beating Trump, and part of me thinks the DNC knows that but would still rather have Biden lose to Trump than Bernie lose (or even win).


It does make you wonder if Sanders went just a bit more to the center would the DNC have backed him because he clearly had the most grassroots support. That's something that should have been weaponized as the democrats will need it to beat Trump. It's a shame that Bernie's "anti-establishment" rhetoric, while much of it is legitimate and a huge part of his platform, was too much for most people. The media certainly played a role in painting him as divisive and radical too. If he had toned it down I think he could have won the nomination, and in the past 6 months he seemed most likely to win against Trump. Still think he could if he somehow gets the nomination.

I'm getting mentally prepared for 4 more years of Trump. Hope he doesn't do any irreparable damage and hope the DNC or voters learn from their mistakes and Bernie's message starts to become more talked about and not seen as "revolutionary". Also the lack of the youth vote is very troubling, not sure what more can be done about that as I thought Bernie was getting through to them. Maybe a progressive and precocious younger candidate could do the trick.

  

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T Reynolds
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590. "The timing was also bad. The market tanking right before Super Tuesday"
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Had a lot to do with people voting more conservatively than they would with less fears about the economy and the coronavirus (which the current administration has proven itself to be scarily inept at addressing).

>The man is clearly on the onset of senility and not sure how
>you can see that and think he'd be capable of being president
>or even continue running a campaign. I imagine it's only going
>to get worse before November and Trump will have no problem
>calling him out live in the debates. Plus Biden has no
>platform or message and despite all the shaming coming their
>way, many progressives will stay home and undecided voters
>won't be motivated by anything Biden has to say. There's sadly
>no way I see Biden beating Trump, and part of me thinks the
>DNC knows that but would still rather have Biden lose to Trump
>than Bernie lose (or even win).

He's great with a teleprompter and good writers. He clearly has physical energy and he can be charismatic when the words and message are given to him. But yes, no real platform. I think depending on whether centrists are sick of Trump and want a safe alternative, Biden can still win. But I think Sanders would have been a much bigger win for the middle class, young people, and progressives that want more than to undo what Trump is done but address root evils.

  

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588. "well that happened"
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biden got all the states he was supposed to. picked up minnesota, mass and maine? won the toss up of texas. just edging out texas would had been good enough to give him a big night. picking up minn and mass would had neutralized sanders taking texas. im sure the final delegate count for last night will end up closer than it is but no other way to say it but biden won big last night.

bloomberg did better than i thought he would % wise but definitely didnt pick up enough delegates to matter. dropped out accordingly.

warren...sigh. it didnt happen. there was no bump. if she had internal numbers that expected this turn out she should had dropped out. definitely hope she endorses bernie soon. without the endorsement i still think her support will be fractured if she just drops out.

ill need to wait for more numbers to come in and look forward to polls from the next states before i form an opinion of what happens next. biden is the front runner now though.

  

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592. "lol..this is an eg of the current dynamic between the Bernieverse and EW..."
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rt now:

https://twitter.com/LouisBarr/status/1235012162009141248


you really think an endorsement is coming?? I feel like the bridge hasn't even stopped burning.

they are not happy she's still in, and she is still drawing (very correct) contrasts. that ship might have sailed unfortunately...








  

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594. "what "very correct" contrasts are you referring to?"
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Also - why isn't there a call for a moderate to stay in and draw "very correct contrasts" with Biden?

Oh that's right: Because they all (Amy, Pete, Bloomie) dropped out to consolidate behind the person who better shares their values/policies.

Warren & Sanders have never really been allies. She's rivaling him right now while others are consolidating.


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601. "Lol I was just talking about what she was saying in that specific clip "
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re: their healthcare plans. She drew a factual indisputable contrast that the particular poster viewed as a slight.


>Also - why isn't there a call for a moderate to stay in and
>draw "very correct contrasts" with Biden?
>>Oh that's right: Because they all (Amy, Pete, Bloomie)
>dropped out to consolidate behind the person who better shares
>their values/policies.

I mean, I think he took a couple dings during the primary from folks over foreign policy and his nostalgia. But that was overridden by the Dems wanting to rally together I guess *shrug*


>
>Warren & Sanders have never really been allies. She's
>rivaling him right now while others are consolidating.
>

I donno. I think they were, sadly. They were long-time friends/colleagues, no? Didn't they have an alleged "non-agression pact"?... Which apparently went out the window as soon as Warren exhibited independent thought on healthcare etc and his base began harassing her non-stop lol.

Tbh, and no beef or anything, but I find someimes that you guys dismiss the negative impacts of being terrorized online by Bernie's base. As someone that liked both Warren and Pete, I watched it play out for 2 candidates and it definitely kneecapped both of their reputations not-to-mention platforms being flooded with disinfo that muddied their messaging. In now way did Bernie suffer at the hands of other candidates at a similar scale, and I personally think Warren is justified in her position at the moment.

I've said for a long time it's as tho Warren is in an abusive relationship with the left-wing this cycle, lol. In a way I'm glad she found the courage to just be like, fuck it lol

  

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620. "i dont know what she will do or what she should do"
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im just saying I hope she endorses bernie. she could very well jump to biden. she might drop out and not endorse either or stay in until the end.

i think she will and should have a big role in either's potential administration. even if she doesnt get a cabinet position the next president needs to lean on her for policy. im betting she even would work to keep pushing good policy through under trump, obviously that will be to a lesser effect but i do think she is going to keep doing what she can to try to improve peoples life.

  

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589. "Man, that mostly sucked"
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Sanders lands hard and abruptly. Cisneros and Sloan down. Still got Anthony Clark in Illinois and Marie Newman beating Lipinski would be swell.

One thing to be happy about is Bloomberg flaming out. Having the truism "you can't buy a presidential election" be tested to that extreme degree is sort of gratifying, and I don't spend a lot of time being proud of American voters but rejecting Bloomberg is one of those moments.

Momentarily good is that California is so rich in delegates that Sanders holding on there will make this bad night just part of a larger, weirder race. But that means winning some actual elections against this kind of impressive liberal consolidation, and that's a ton to fight against: different appeal by some strong candidates now backing Biden, cable news*, and the old chestnut that liberals hate socialism as much as they hate fascism.

People are going to tell us to give up. Don't give them anything. Any durable left movement in the United States is about recognizing the material demands of poor and working American people, and putting those aside because you're scared of Donald Trump or of being yelled at by people who are scared of Donald Trump isn't going to get anything useful done. When Biden talks about his long track record of getting things done in DC, he's talking about getting things done for credit card companies, student loan providers, pharmaceutical companies, and NatSec ghouls. If that isn't the world you want to live in, don't concede to live in a bad one because there's an election in eight months. Make him work for it. The same coalition building that everybody demanded of Sanders - now demand it of Biden. Or force him to say "I can win without the left." They're going to blame us when he loses anyhow, so you may as well extract something from it.

*which isn't a complaint about fairness, but they worked the hell out of turning Biden's expected win in South Carolina into a grand redemption story and he didn't have to pay a dime for it or make a single speech on behalf of himself to do it. Nobody's doing that for Sanders because when you're fighting to move something giant and heavy, gravity isn't on your side.

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591. "well-said:"
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>The same
>coalition building that everybody demanded of Sanders - now
>demand it of Biden. Or force him to say "I can win without the
>left." They're going to blame us when he loses anyhow, so you
>may as well extract something from it.



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606. "Most reasonable people on the left will vote for Biden over trump "
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Those of u you who don’t, were never going to vote for anyone but Bernie anyway and are mostly in states that any democrat will win.

This ain’t about the left, it’s about voters in a handful of states that Biden does have an appeal with.

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596. "Man his speech was cribbed out of Bernie's 'Manifesto' (sarcasm)"
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>People are going to tell us to give up. Don't give them
>anything. Any durable left movement in the United States is
>about recognizing the material demands of poor and working
>American people, and putting those aside because you're scared
>of Donald Trump or of being yelled at by people who are scared
>of Donald Trump isn't going to get anything useful done. When
>Biden talks about his long track record of getting things done
>in DC, he's talking about getting things done for credit card
>companies, student loan providers, pharmaceutical companies,
>and NatSec ghouls. If that isn't the world you want to live
>in, don't concede to live in a bad one because there's an
>election in eight months. Make him work for it. The same
>coalition building that everybody demanded of Sanders - now
>demand it of Biden. Or force him to say "I can win without the
>left." They're going to blame us when he loses anyhow, so you
>may as well extract something from it.

At least his speech writers seem to be incorporating some of the left's platform, because since when has Joe worked for unions, the lower class, and 'the existential crisis of the environment', or against corruption and war-profiteering?


>One thing to be happy about is Bloomberg flaming out. Having
>the truism "you can't buy a presidential election" be tested
>to that extreme degree is sort of gratifying, and I don't
>spend a lot of time being proud of American voters but
>rejecting Bloomberg is one of those moments.

This was a bright spot

  

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599. "literally never"
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>At least his speech writers seem to be incorporating some of
>the left's platform, because since when has Joe worked for
>unions, the lower class, and 'the existential crisis of the
>environment', or against corruption and war-profiteering?

Say something bad about a zillionaire plutocrat who plucks virgins from the town in order to bathe in their blood, ensuring perpetual youth, and Biden will be like "C'mon Jack I've known him for forty years and we've worked you can't just together and get things DONE for it's like when you and I had a different handshake for everyone of them and their wives and so I'm not going to sit here and PERIOD"

His time holding office has been the worst time in America for union activity since they were sending Pinkertons to shoot us. But he's not unique or even out of the ordinary in the party on that. Virginia Democrats control every part of the state government and they still can't manage to dispose of right to work in that state. Permitting public sector employees to strike passed the house, which isn't nothing, but isn't a lot.

He's a disaster for poor and working people in America. Less of a disaster than Trump, to be sure. But we owe it to our people to be pushy about this. That means backing Bernie, who understands and will fight for us, as long as he's willing to be backed. And maybe longer. And when it's time to stop, we make Biden pay for support.

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603. "I can't believe the aisle-crossing dixiecrat they used to "
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counterbalance the young, Black progressive (really not that progressive) is the guy that democrats respond with in this political climate. Everything this party does is to NOT LOSE. Every vote is made to be safe and not piss of the rednecks with guns or cause instability in the market. Don't demand a better life for all Americans, protect the interests of the wealthy and if we're good they will make sure we're fed and housed, etc. etc.

My hope is that the Obama goodwill fades by the time the new Left comes of age.

I'm not anti-Biden, but I think the brand of 'healing' he's talking about is tremendously superficial.

  

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647. "Which makes "tack hard right" a likely general election move"
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>Everything this party does is to NOT LOSE.

Pretty much. They're afraid of what using political power will require from them, and so what they've offered to us is a gradual erosion of union power; a gradual increase in the influence of the financial sector; a less vocally aggressive destruction of vulnerable people abroad. All during a historic growth in power for the executive branch.

So when we ask why we can't have good things, they'll point to the looming threat of a legitimate fascist movement and say "do you want that?"

Obviously, we do not. But when they come together and work harder to fight against a popular, well-articulated left agenda than they ever will against any individual conservative threat then it's probably time to stop being suckered. They'll never share this party with us. Getting something new of our own going will take decades, and will waste the careers of the assembled talent we have right now - which is small but stronger than it's ever been. The best option is to keep working to take this party for ourselves, and then offer its (clearly substantial) right wing the same deal they've offered us for decades: join us or enjoy your increasing marginalization.

In the short term, that means treating a setback like a setback and not as a disaster. Sanders is (still present tense) a chance to hit fast forward on this movement decades. That's a relatively low-risk proposition if we can avoid despair. And though I hate, hate, hate appeals to the power of positive thinking, that's kind of the move today. Every inch that we can push them and every explicit promise we can extract to dislodge capital from its grip on American politics is worthwhile.

But I'm a gloomy person so thinking positively is difficult for me. So in my case that will mean remembering that voting is just the stone in the stone soup of American politics. It's what brings us together, but it's not in itself anything that makes soup.

If somebody's reading this and nodding at that sentiment, please check out your local DSA chapter (https://www.dsausa.org/chapters/). It's not everybody's cup of tea, but most of these branches are full of good, warm people who are doing the sort of work that you can touch and feel. In DC, that means canvassing tenants to let them know their rights when threatened with eviction or working for local rent control or showing up at deportation profiteers' homes and making sure their neighbors know that they make their money off of breaking up families. I did that one a few times and even though I am a tremendous 'fraidy-cat, it was *good*. Other chapters do free brakelight clinics so the cops have one less way to pull you over. This isn't a big recruitment press, because I know that joining shit isn't for everybody and calling oneself a socialist isn't for everybody either. But if you have a set of principles that prioritize making sure that ALL poor and working class people can live their lives with freedom and dignity, then you're my comrade (sorry, I had to drop it in there once) in this. And I remember the last time I felt this sense of political despair, but the resolution of "cast a vote" was alienating both temporally and metaphorically and joining up and doing something with people who felt the same way felt really good.

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610. "I needed to read this. Thanks."
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>People are going to tell us to give up. Don't give them
>anything. Any durable left movement in the United States is
>about recognizing the material demands of poor and working
>American people, and putting those aside because you're scared
>of Donald Trump or of being yelled at by people who are scared
>of Donald Trump isn't going to get anything useful done. When
>Biden talks about his long track record of getting things done
>in DC, he's talking about getting things done for credit card
>companies, student loan providers, pharmaceutical companies,
>and NatSec ghouls. If that isn't the world you want to live
>in, don't concede to live in a bad one because there's an
>election in eight months. Make him work for it. The same
>coalition building that everybody demanded of Sanders - now
>demand it of Biden. Or force him to say "I can win without the
>left." They're going to blame us when he loses anyhow, so you
>may as well extract something from it.
>

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595. "Enjoy the sauce"
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Well what do you know, the DEMOCRAT got more votes from the Democratic primary electorate.

Vexed much?

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602. "I can't believe the democrats endorsed a democrat"
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and wanted a democrat to win. the centrists are all ghouls I tell you, ghouls!

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605. "Lolol! True colors spilling out. And it ain’t blue. That’s problem "
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With cult like follows and describing things as revolutions. This is a primary process for a election. This is how things work.

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621. "They endorsed the only life-long Democrat in the primary?"
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Oh wait no that's Tulsi Gabbard.

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626. "yikes!"
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604. "Saw this in a tweet and I agree 100% that it will happen: "
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1) Biden names a woman as his running mate.

2) Trump responds by dropping Pence and naming Nikki Haley as his running mate, using botched Coronavirus preparedness as an excuse.

  

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607. "The whole thing sucks"
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No matter who the candidate is, I think theres a large chance that Trump is going to get reelected anyway. Ill vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, but I'm not getting invested.

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611. "I’m actually starting to believe Biden will win "
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Maybe I’m a sucker but I think Biden got that juice. His 8 years with Obama has him looking presidential af.

but when he opens his mouth.. Ionno. Lol.

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614. "Could"
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After 2016 Im not making any assumptions

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622. "Oh, I’ve approached this election ready for the L"
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so I won’t be too disappointed

but the way Biden is winning makes me believe there may actually be enough working class whites who realized they need to get that fool out of office.

of course the Black vote is on lock too.

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634. "no snark but you might be the curse"
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You thought it was Biden at first, he did poorly.

seems like once you embraced Beto, he fell the fuck off.

then it happened with Warren.


now Bernie.


Just keep your mouth shut in the general lol

  

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635. "he switched to amy sunday night too"
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made a whole post but got it deleted





i keed

  

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616. "What is Obama went on the trail for him for MONTHS?"
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Would that change it for you?

>No matter who the candidate is, I think theres a large chance
>that Trump is going to get reelected anyway. Ill vote for
>whoever the Democratic nominee is, but I'm not getting
>invested.

Incumbent presidents USUALLY win re-election.
Only Bush Se. and Carter lost re-election in

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627. "That would be cool but like Legs said"
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I'm just preparing myself for the L

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619. "it won't be easy but i think he will win"
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let's get the orange guy out.

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623. "Trump refusing to debate him would be a gift to him."
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His team is probably halfway hoping for that.

  

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633. "yeah might actually be a win-win for everyone."
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including viewers who dont have to witness that shit.

  

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624. "shaun king just straight up lying like a trump supporter."
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https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1235221403839991808
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Bernie is up by 250,000 votes in California and has won almost every county in the state.

Most major networks and newspapers are still saying it’s “too close to call.”

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Simply outrageous.

Bernie has a 10 point lead.

Texas was called with a 2 point lead.
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most major networks and newspapers are saying cali is too close to call?

cali was called for bernie as soon as the polls closed last night.

talcum x even retweeted several news outlets calling ca for bernie.

wtf is the point of all this?

  

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630. "Why do you keep linking me to this guy I would otherwise be unaware of?"
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You're clowning him, but you're also promoting him lol.

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636. "fam you know you got twitter notifications turned on for him."
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632. "LMAO did you come up with Talcum X?"
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If so, you are the real winner of Super Tuesday.

  

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639. "lol nah thats his most popular nickname."
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both black twitter and the alt right call him that lol.

  

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668. "damn I've never seen it"
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but I had to tune that dude out a lloonnng time ago

  

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628. "disappointing to see so little self-reflection on the left"
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Last night sucked for sure. I really don't think Biden is the guy- unless they can just hide him for 8 months or whatever.


But even to back up, take Trump out of the equation, and think about what PROGRESS actually looks like?

The left is fucking up. Badly.


You need to win fucking elections. In order to win in the general, you need to win the primaries. In order to do that, you need to appeal to voters of all kinds.


You can't call yourself a democratic SOCIALIST in America. You can't even do it in the Dem party.


You can't call for a political REVOLUTION in America.


You can't scream down anyone who doesn't match you 100%.


You can't call universal healthcare MEDICARE for all when a lot of seniors hate fucking Medicare.


You are scaring granny. Language and tone matters. And a lot of Americans are dumb as shit.

You can't win as a Dem without the black vote. Why wasn't Sanders in SC for the past 4 fucking years? He stunts Biden's SC performance, things go much differently.


I'm sorry, but you can't run an 80 year old man who has been in congress 30 years as an outsider who is going to deliver all these structural changes suddenly when he is president.


Run a younger person of color (an actual democrat) on the same platform, but replace "socialist" with FDR or some shit. Have Bernie endorse.

Call it universal healthcare.


Instead of yelling about a revolution, take a page from Obama's book and soften your message. Call it change. Call it progress. Hell, call it justice. Don't call it a fucking revolution.

Welcome all progressives to the fold.

etc

...and your "movement" has a much better night imo.



Can't rely on the youth to carry you.

Can't blame Warren when Bloomberg was there, and my guess is she took more from Joe- or at least as much.

Can't claim that your movement would win the general when you can't win the primary.

Can't claim you're ready to fight and pass M4A when you get out-strategized by Tom Perez.

Can't claim a "broad historic coalition" when you made such small progress with black voters.

Can't just yell establishment over and over again, when the votes simply weren't there. The establishment didn't cast those votes- people did.

Can't win by releasing a hyper-detailed plan every 3 days.



The left (all of them- Bernie, Liz, AOC- all of them) needs to put in serious work on branding, messaging, and tone.

And the bros needs to really take a beat and realize the word isn't their twitter feed, and to win votes your team needs to leave space in the tent.

Otherwise, its all purity tests no movement.


But I don't think that reflection is going to happen. Seems like a lot of finger pointing, denial, and rage. Or apathy.


When Hil lost, saw a lot of the same. Didn't seem like her campaign did much self reflection. Her supporters blamed everyone from the media to Bernie to Stein to whatever. Very little talk of what could have been done differently.


The left so far is doing the same. Its the media. Its not Jill Stein, its Warren. Its not the Republican machine of attacks, its the establishment. Different things getting the blame, same game.

Can't even blame money. Biden was dead in the water, and Bloomberg fumbled.

The left just didn't earn the votes. That is the lesson.


If you don't get the votes (from people), that is on you. There isn't some grand conspiracy. A lot of shit happens to every candidate in every election.


The establishment boogie man didn't cast votes in TX, MA, NC, etc.


The left just didn't appeal to enough voters. Figure out how to do that.



  

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637. "will you call for self-reflection on the right when Biden loses?"
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640. "huh?"
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642. "Joe Biden is a right wing candidate, objectively."
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y'all have fun with him.

  

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649. "RE: Joe Biden is a right wing candidate, objectively."
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so?

ya'll act like this shit is zero sum.

  

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669. "because it is. "
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40 years of non-stop, bipartisan policy aimed at grinding the working class to dust, and JOE BIDEN is the one who will change it??!!

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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666. "a lot of garbage takes from you lately. be well brother."
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653. "uh what? Same team man"
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I just want to make sure we all learn some lessons here- especially the progressive politicians and people running their teams.


We all want them (progressives) to get more votes, no? Well, to do that, they clearly have to change some things.


I think nominating Joe Biden is a fucking mistake already, so...?

  

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643. "all FACTS but especially this:"
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>I'm sorry, but you can't run an 80 year old man who has been
>in congress 30 years as an outsider who is going to deliver
>all these structural changes suddenly when he is president.

  

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648. "I'm curious what would have happened if Bernie hadn't skipped Selma."
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Biden would have still won throughout the south, of course. But what made Biden the presumptive nominee, in the end, was that people saw it as a two-person race, and in the south they gave Biden landslide after landslide after landslide, at a time when the Sanders team thought they'd be competitive in NC and VA, at least.

Some of that's probably Clyburn. Some of it's the resounding SC result that followed from it, but I wonder if Sanders might have hurt himself in the south a little more by skipping the Selma commemoration. If Sanders had done just a little better in the south he might have ended the night (after California eventually comes in) still holding a delegate lead. Then who knows what the narrative would have been by now.

It seems like they wrote off the south almost out of habit, maybe over hard feelings from 2016. But margins matter. You can't write anything off.

  

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657. "right- compete everywhere"
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Obviously it is a narrative/momentum game.

If Bernie somehow cuts Biden's lead in SC so that he under performs I think things go much differently.


But wasn't he campaigning in MA? Or do I have my timeline off?


Like someone said, SC basically created a free campaign for Joe Biden and he didn't have to do shit.


Plus, a big knock on Bernie is the black vote. I would have been working over-time to prove that knock wrong.


I get folks are upset, but they are forgetting Bernie was the frontrunner for a little bit. I think he had a huge opportunity to help democrats feel better about the idea of a Bernie nom and he just didn't do it.

In an alternative universe where he performs better in SC, sends unity emails rather than attacking emails, and starts to pivot to the general?

I don't know.

The other thing is, if Biden under-performs a little those drop outs and endorsements maybe don't happen.

Compete everywhere. Thats word to Howard Dean.

>
>Biden would have still won throughout the south, of course.
>But what made Biden the presumptive nominee, in the end, was
>that people saw it as a two-person race, and in the south they
>gave Biden landslide after landslide after landslide, at a
>time when the Sanders team thought they'd be competitive in NC
>and VA, at least.
>
>Some of that's probably Clyburn. Some of it's the resounding
>SC result that followed from it, but I wonder if Sanders might
>have hurt himself in the south a little more by skipping the
>Selma commemoration. If Sanders had done just a little better
>in the south he might have ended the night (after California
>eventually comes in) still holding a delegate lead. Then who
>knows what the narrative would have been by now.
>
>It seems like they wrote off the south almost out of habit,
>maybe over hard feelings from 2016. But margins matter. You
>can't write anything off.
>

  

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665. "was there any explanation given for bernie skipping selma?"
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i didnt think it was a big deal. but it was really odd considering everyone else was there.

  

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672. "It certainly made me have a lower opinion of him, he proclaimed "
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To be making significant out reach to the Black community but decided to make sure he sured up Cali, a political calculation that had consequences

That was the death pin for his relationship with the Black community at large. It was such an easy thing to attend

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654. "disappointing night for ‘progressives’ all around."
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that brand of elimination/grievance politics is just not resonating with a lot of people.

its becoming a broken record.

obama inspired his seeds to build coalitions and adapt to the needs of their constituencies.

bernie inspired his seeds to mudsling and scorch as much earth as possible to the point it suppresses their own base.

like you got ‘progressives’ running in little peaceful local elections calling everyone corrupt and establishment puppets lol. who the hell wants to vote for that?

its all led to bernies base basically eroding except for young people and latinos and those are two groups with some of the worst turnout rates. aggrieved rural voters who used to relate to bernies anti establishment message are even jumping off the train.

people said bernie would fail to expand his base. he did them one better and made his base even smaller.

instead of figuring out how to appeal to more voters...and actually garner that big broad coalition they bragged about in polls (lol in hindsight)...his surrogates are on twitter posting selective exit poll numbers with young people and calling everyone else out of touch.

i cant call it fam.

  

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629. "so apparently dnc rigged an election and launched a coup against bernie"
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by letting people vote.

thats what bernie surrogates on twitter are saying. looks like they arent taking a single constructive lesson from last night. just more persecution complex and conspiracy theory.

who knew that if you demonize and demagogue an entire party like an evil entity...the mainstream voters in that party will come out and reject you?

its gonna be pretty interesting watching them justify demanding that superdelegates overturn the will of the voters and nominate a candidate who failed (twice) to gain the support of the majority of voters in the party he is running to lead.

  

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644. "I live in a battleground state and will be staying home this November :)"
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wanna fight?

  

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650. "Lmao do whatever y’all can to assert ur “power” and rage. It may "
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Be cathartic

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651. "that is so cool"
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congrats.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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652. "But thankfully there are three Bernie skeptics to take your place,"
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and they would have stayed home if Sanders had won.

  

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658. "oatmeal or chocolate chip?"
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you seem to want a cookie.

  

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663. "Dottie will be impressed "
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686. "ah yes a conservative super majority on the court will be very good"
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for progress.


  

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655. "A lot of people are really partying and gloating ... for Biden?"
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Instead of reaching out and trying to build bridges with the grassroots Sanders/Warren base - some are more interested in joining in on the Peter/Amy/Mikey/Joey consolidated gang-up that it took to beat Bernie Sanders. And you're laughing about it?

This is the recipe for building a unified base to defeat Trump?

Yikes.

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659. "yes??"
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>This is the recipe for building a unified base to defeat
>Trump?
>

if the votes are any indication. Obviously people think Trump can poke less holes in Biden.

  

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661. "There is no chance of beating Trump without the progressive base"
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You're going to need a considerable turnout.

Granted - less Bernie voters voted for Trump than did Clinton voters (in '08) who voted for McCain (so they've shown that they'll indeed vote for the nominee) - but bad blood will be magnified yet again - and Biden is in many ways objectively a *worse* candidate than Hillary Clinton.

I mean - congrats on beating Bernie Sanders - I guess. But I thought the goal was beating Trump.


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670. "RE: There is no chance of beating Trump without the progressive base"
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>You're going to need a considerable turnout.

so turn out. Even if they came out in droves in the primary, it obviously wasn't enough people looking at the numbers.

>Granted - less Bernie voters voted for Trump than did Clinton
>voters (in '08) who voted for McCain (so they've shown that
>they'll indeed vote for the nominee) - but bad blood will be
>magnified yet again - and Biden is in many ways objectively a
>*worse* candidate than Hillary Clinton.

>I mean - congrats on beating Bernie Sanders - I guess. But I
>thought the goal was beating Trump.
>

Folks taking this shit way too personal. I get younger people being in their feelings, but the fact of the matter is your guy doesn't always win. The how and why you vote aint got shit to do with who you are or your morality or whatever identity you wanna assign to it to make you feel good (i mean "you" in general, not specifically you). Work with what you have. The goal is to beat Trump, the rest we can work out.

also for the record, i personally did not vote Biden.

  

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673. "got it. so 'shut up and turn out' is the olive branch?"
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Boy I can just smell the Kerry/Edwards electoral failure brewing lol

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674. "maybe don't look for an olive branch"
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nobody needs suck you off to get Trump out. Shit aint got nothing to do with Biden, Bernie or none of them.

  

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679. "No need for an olive branch? Yea you're woefully off on this"
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In 2008, tireless care and work was put into mending bridges between Hillary & Obama. There was as much effort put into healing that divide (which was in retrospect almost as (if not more) nasty than the Sanders/Hillary divide) - and it was a top priority of Obama's team - and rightfully so.

Had they simply took your attitude of "shut up and turn out" - they would've seriously risked the big-tent opportunity at stake.

But sure, let's just continue to marginalize 25-30% of the base? Makes sense.

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708. "this is about 2016, not 2008. tf you talkin about?"
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the world had a modicum of normalcy in 2008

Here we are again in 2020 just like we were in 2016 on some "No Sanders, No Vote" shit. IDGAF if they nominate a chair, this aint happening again.

mfrs worrying about whats in the rear view while the car is swerving into the other lane. foh

  

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680. "if niggas wanna throw the country away because they lost a primary"
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then thats on them.

its not on other people to negotiate hostages and pander to children who would rather throw tantrums than unite with the majority ready to defend our democracy.

  

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685. "Oop"
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687. "I'm down"
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Like I told Trump supporters where I work, you want to let it all burn, baby, let's do it.

  

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688. "LOL sounds an awful lot like 2016 posturing "
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Glad we're learning crucial lessons and not poised to repeat the same mistakes.

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691. "L O L the irony wow"
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>Glad we're learning crucial lessons and not poised to repeat
>the same mistakes.
>
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Jesus Vex take a fucking break. This little metldown isn't doing anyone any good.


You aren't even learning mistakes from this cycle, much less 4 years ago.


Serious man- try following different people on twitter.

  

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694. "the lack of self awareness is astounding fam."
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702. "I'm gonna type it here, so you niggas see it:"
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there is a significant, uneven divide in the "possible Democratic voting" bloc.

one side - perfectly OK with what the Democrats were doing pre-Trump. Any Blue Will Do, for the most part. Trump ruined it all.

other side - "no, actually -- this is fucked up." and when these get the attention of elected officials, all you get is lip service. they want a Democrat, but they care what they do.

today, this is the "Trump Must Go" vs. "Trump Gotta Go, But You Gotta Do Something Else" vote.

If I were to wager a guess, this is a 65/35 split. Or it was pre-Obama. Post-Obama, this has inched even further to being more even.

Both sides need to reconcile if Trump is to be added, and you'll need more, you'll need everything. But I wager the "Trump Gotta Go, But..." side, mostly consolidated in the Sanders vote, will be more difficult to corral. especially given the current state of the country.

it's a very real divide, and Joe Biden, Obama sidekick or not, is the absolute worst person for this task. unless the impossible happens and he actually integrates the left into his policy and puts a real plan in motion. Walleye has been saying this less angrily and more eloquently than I.

part of my Sanders backing calculus is that I believe "Get Trump TFO" (something he /HAS/ been repeatedly saying on the campaign trail) is an easier sell for the "We Want A Democrat" voter base then trying to sell an increasingly disaffected, and disgusted pool of people on ...the utter lack of vision Joe Biden provides.
It actually helps that he has "Stans". that energy will be needed against Donald Trump.

they're basically inverses of one another.

this isn't happening because Sanders supporters are "mean". it's because the Good Democrats have been fucking it up forever. that's what 2016 was about.

Not only that, but they've been peddling all kinds of disinfo for generations. as it pertains to Sanders, it's been about "Bros", and stupid ass calls for civility when a FASCIST is ruling the roost. propaganda that paints Sanders, a Northeastern grandpa who just wants to take the yoke off the back of the working class in Earnest.... as the lefty equivalent of Donald Trump.

like he's actually out here calling for a border wall, and the locking of kids in cages.

the idiot professional managerial class that has run the Democratic Party over the last quarter century has all been about the diversion. even the "good guys" who work through the system get compromised (see: Elizabeth Warren).

and Joe Biden, the epitome of someone who's benefited from disinfo, is the one left behind for the other right-wing candidates to coalesce?

I'm sorry, I want Trump out, too.
But you're really the ones with garbage takes thinking you're going to build a coalition around .... not even centrism. just emptiness.

this is before you get to the issues with Joe Biden personally, which have been covered all over the place.

Vex isn't even being a Stan. He wasn't even a Bernie guy for the longest; I'm actually surprised he's come all the way over to the left from what I thought was libertarianism.

But yeah, Bernie Bros.

Fuck outta here.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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710. "yes, doc"
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717. "lol at all this.... its all just feelings and hot takes"
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i will say this;

if it's time for the progressive movement as claimed... ok.
but where is the evidence of this?
its not happened with young people (they voted at what? 13%?)
we certainly didn't see it on tuesday overall.
and yes, i think that is an issue - it means that we are not doing the work to actually build a solid coalition where it matters.
and without that... any so-called revolution is a pipe-dream

now. instead of taking time to really excavate what all this means for people who want more progressive politics...
upto and including maybe bernie is not the best standard-bearer (neither is warren, sadly for me)
its hottakes and pointing fingers.
instead of coming up with a ground-game for the next four years.
its like shooting yourself in the foot, lol

tbh.. at *this* point?
i will take my chances with the people who retook the house in 2018
that's the level of organizing that is clearly lack and needed.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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696. "a lot of yall want biden to lose just so you can be right."
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theres no pleasing entitled losers.

got your delegate rules.

kept your precious low turnout caucuses in place.

got your debate criteria rules.

got your full robust primary with multiple candidates.

got your early state wins.

then as soon as you lose its back to bitching about unfairness again.

the act is even more tiresome the 2nd time around.

democracy happened and it chose someone else.

again.

grow up and get over it.

time to focus on the bigger picture like adults.

  

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698. "w/ the way some of you are talking, you would think Hillary won"
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I thought the goal was beating Trump.

Interesting that you think the only camp that needs to self-reflect is the Bernie camp (and they do need to retool and do some self-assessment for sure). But this idea that the same people who pushed Hillary on us (who are now pushing Biden on us) have nothing to learn is beyond laughable.

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703. "nobody here is a biden or hillary fan."
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just a bunch of clear eyed level headed liberals who can look at two options and discern which one is far worse.

we recognize what a lot of other people stand to lose even if they dont.

it aint about us drawing up edicts and getting our demands met.

its about us living up to our lifelong self held principles and doing what we believe is right.

it aint about the name thats on the front of the party.

its about all of the people on its back.

  

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705. "we flat out disagree on who is the "worse" option"
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I thought we were at least in agreement on that - since you've been agreeing about Biden's blatant weaknesses in a match-up v. Trump. Are you reversing on that now?

If Biden is the nominee - so be it. But to act like this won't require significant in-roads, olive branches, and negotiations with the Sanders base is insane. And yes - this also means that the Sanders base needs to come to the table in good faith as well.

But there is no faster way to ensure a Trump W than by giving the proverbial finger to Sanders and his base right now.

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707. "i meant worse option as in whoever is the nominee vs trump."
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but even still.

the better candidate is the one who the majority of the party votes for.

the one whose base/coalition is turning out in record numbers for victories.

the one whose winning those states that will ultimately tip the election.

the one whose winning those states where the downballot races are just as crucial as the top of the ticket.

the one who spends his/her time cherishing the party and not devaluing it.

and so on.

the beautiful black backbone of the democratic party chose its head.

thats the better candidate.

  

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706. "talk about lack of self-awareness."
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>democracy happened and it chose someone else.

Democracy?

like changing the debate rules LONG after three candidates that might have made this discussion more of a moot point were forced to drop out, allowing 2 dudes to come in and drop hundreds of millions of dollars to flood the airwaves with ads, one of whom "isn't even a Democrat"?

(at least in Steyer's case, he did put his money toward some Democrat-friendly initiatives)

like doing the whole Thanos act behind the scenes after ONE win from a floundering candidate just to make it more difficult for one specific candidate? all this talk about "collusion" the last few years...?

why couldn't have Pete stayed in on Super Tuesday? Or Amy?

don't bother bringing up "Drop Out Warren" and all the noise from online supporters.

not even mentioning their lack of attention toward the kind of voter suppression that had people waiting in lines for hours.

Yeah, that's "democracy".

it's anything but.

and that's not even the single reason I felt Sanders took Ls, but let's not pretend it was an even playing field.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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713. "turn off the young turks."
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leave the white progressive echo chamber for a while.

its really distorted your perception of reality.

your thought process and behavior on here lately is proof of that.

i think im gonna stop engaging with you for about a week or two. to stop adding wax to your wicker. to give you some time to cool off.

nothing personal. i just think itd be best for you.

  

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684. "and there's no chance Bernie beats Trump without the moderates"
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so what's your point?

Voters are deciding who the majority of the base wants. I voted Bernie yesterday but ready to vote for whoever the majority of the party decides is on the ballot in November.

  

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689. "Yes because the moderates swayed the 2016 gen. election"
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Clinton/Kaine (a ticket built for moderates) carried the day - just like Kerry/Edwards did. Just like Gore/Lieberman did.

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700. "Clinton lost because she is/was very unlikable"
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Admittedly so by her own supporters.

Trump's win was a combination of him rallying his own base and apathetic democrat voters assuming there was no chance he was going to win anyway and staying home instead of voting. With that knowledge in hindsight, a lot of people are not going to be making the same mistake in November and are ready vote for whoever the dem on the ballot is, regardless of whether s/he was their first/second/third choice.

And while Bernie himself isn't unlikable, at least not to me, I can easily see people not voting for him based on how annoying his vocal (though seemingly smaller than we thought judging by these results) supporters can often be.

  

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692. "in that scenario, do you believe they'd give up the chance to oust Trump..."
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699. "Seems like there are progressives/Bernie Bros that would..."
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697. "thanks for being mature good brother. "
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my fave candidate was warren.

didnt get a chance to vote for her. would have prolly voted biden over sanders if my state is still relevant later.

but even if both warren and biden lost...then i would go to war for sanders against trump.

no crying. no demand for pampering and concessions. just mature perspective and motivation for the greater good.

  

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662. "this isn't about Biden."
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this is about sticking it to "Bernie Bros" after he took a L.

same shit they been doing for 4 years straight, ignoring reality.

I didn't even WANT to back Sanders initially. hated that he even ran again... because I figured something like this would happen, and it would again reveal people haven't learned shit.

the only thing that changed my mind is that there was actually movements around him this time to entertain the idea. and after the first few primaries, I tossed the blackpill away.

they can have it.

  

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671. "Yup. "
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>the only thing that changed my mind is that there was actually
>movements around him this time to entertain the idea. and
>after the first few primaries, I tossed the blackpill away.
>
>they can have it.

That's just the thing: Sanders actually was going to seed executive agencies and his cabinet with actual people committed to justice. His candidacy was far more about the energy mobilizing around him than it was about him.

Joe Biden? Best thing he's got going for him is that he isn't Trump.

And people are partying over that lol


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677. "if that's where the country ends up being, that's fine."
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I won't be a part of it.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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690. "America is in rapid decline"
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and hitching our wagons to Joe Biden is the best available solution.

We kinda are set up to get exactly what we deserve: 8 years of Donald Trump.


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681. "no joke that sounds amazing and is what most of us want"
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>
>That's just the thing: Sanders actually was going to seed
>executive agencies and his cabinet with actual people
>committed to justice. His candidacy was far more about the
>energy mobilizing around him than it was about him.

But the movement has to win first. So some of us are talking about that- about how the movement failed to win over enough voters.

So instead of being in here accusing us of being Biden-loving-centrists who don't want justice, why not take a step back and think about what the movement could do differently to get more votes??


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>And people are partying over that lol
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I don't see many people partying.

Seems like some are relieved because they think Biden has a better shot to beat Trump.

I'm not sure I even agree with that, but

its hard to argue that Bernie would be so much better than Biden at winning (winning not governing) when he is losing to Biden.


In other words, its hard to buy Sanders is better equipped to win an election when he keeps losing them.


And you took a ton of Ls here, especially with regards to all the shit you talked about the youth vote and his diverse coalition.


Partying on arrogant/loud/wrong Bernie bros isn't the same as partying for Biden. Not by a long shot.


Even now- if Biden is such a shit candidate, how does Bernie have less votes than him?


Thats the problem with some of you guys and you especially- your refusal to be objective and honest. You've never debated in good faith nor considered Bernie's weaknesses in a significant way.

Even now, you're in here accusing folks of partying for Biden when in reality, that isn't it.

And even the ones who are, are just scared Bernie would lose (from what I've seen)

So, you can continue to invent a narrative that establishment took this from Bernie and Okayplayer is full of centrist-loving traitors

or

You can learn a couple lesson here with regard to why people vote the way they do, to not assume your twitter feed = the world, and that screaming "revolution" isn't how we win over democrats- much less the country.


  

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719. "well said. "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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721. "this was a much needed dose of medicine."
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hopefully vex gives it some honest consideration.

  

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664. "lol my how the tables have turned. When Biden is, by you all’s own"
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Words, somewhere ranging from dick Cheney to satan himself, what could possibly be said to you all to bring u into the fold.

If u need to be convinced that joe Biden would be a better president that Donald j trump....then I don’t know what to tell y’all

And with all that being said, Bernie “endorsed” and campaigned for Hilary. And 25 percent of y’all still didn’t vote for her, sooooooo

But here it is sincerely, we all need to come together to beat trump. This isn’t over, I was gonna vote for Bernie and have said that repeatedly if he was the nom, I didn’t think he could win but I was still gonna support him, I hope y’all do the same.

But if not, it is what it is...

If I had to guess most hardcore sanders supporters are in states where ANY dem is gonna win....y’all ain’t really factoring in too much. It’s just facts.

And I think Biden has a begrudging respect for sanders. Everyone should, so maybe he will have role for him, if he wins the nom and the general

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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667. "honestly bernie stans earned this."
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bernie is good in my book but his supporters are by far the most obnoxious and insufferable of either side.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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675. "theyre like patriots fans without any rings."
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682. "dead"
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683. "Biden on Super Tuesday was like the Lebron-era Heat"
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701. "Is that the best super-team analogy?"
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No knock on what Biden pulled off but everybody here thought he was dead a week ago. What about the 1995 Rockets? Some late-stage greats who've been whaling on each other on separate teams but come together for a last gasp at a title?

Does that work? Did Olujuwan win one before Drexler came aboard?

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704. "Interesting. I would have to ask my die-hard Hakeem fan friend"
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I don't remember 95 Rockets well enough.

It's just the whole super-team, can't do it on my own, let's team up and give Wade (Biden) life in the comfort of Miami (the bosom of the DNC)

Bron (Klobuchar) brought his talents (Minnesota delegates) to South Beach (Biden's campaign)

We can make Mayo Bosh I guess.



  

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724. "damn"
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678. "jim clyburn saved the country from socialism."
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i didnt wanna live in venezuela.

  

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693. "lol! "
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Joey B. saved us from the Maduro-loving communist. We almost turned into Cuba overnight! Thank god.

  

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695. "^ scared of that socialist high literacy producing high-info voters lol"
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714. "You can't even wait for a day? "
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>Instead of reaching out and trying to build bridges with the
>grassroots Sanders/Warren base - some are more interested in
>joining in on the Peter/Amy/Mikey/Joey consolidated gang-up
>that it took to beat Bernie Sanders. And you're laughing
>about it?
>
>This is the recipe for building a unified base to defeat
>Trump?
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>Yikes.
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Bernie bro assholes have been saying how only they can win. Calling Biden senile and saying he should drop out and go away (and probably just die.)

Then when you get you ass handed to you you can't wait a day before you expect praise?

Always the victim.

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715. "SURPRISE all the people bernie said sucked...teamed up against him!"
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of COURSE that happened. you're supposed to see that coming

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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718. "HRC 2.0"
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This is what they want

No tears when the result is the same.

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720. "Wow. You’re really bad at this "
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Johnny Come lately

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709. "Did we discuss Mrs Biden stepping up to defend her man?"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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711. "Did we discuss Mrs Biden stepping up to defend her dad?"
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oh wait

  

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712. "had to ask the vegan homie what "Let Dairy Die" was"
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he had no idea

definitely some Cali shit

  

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722. "aoc with some much needed advice."
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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1235312177747308554
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Effective organizers are welcomers, natural educators, and positive in their interactions.

They make new people feel like theirs is a movement they want to be part of.

Effective organizers treat the internet as an organizing space (although not the *only* organizing space!).
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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1235313180949303296
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It is important to fight for the issues, advance your argument, and grow the cause.

To do so, the questions that organizers or anyone seeking to advance a cause or campaign should always ask themselves are: who else can we include, and how can we listen and include them?
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of course she is catching some flack from the zealots like she did when she admitted m4a is prolly not feasible and public option would be an acceptable compromise.

but you can tell her time in politics and interactions with the broader american electorate are encouraging her to grow into a better leader and build a sustainable movement.

shes trying to convey the same message that many in this post are. hopefully people will listen.

  

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725. "Yes AOC! The women associated with sanders do him and their "
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Movement a great service for the most part.

Hopefully they can be a calming and unifying force.

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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734. "they are phenomenal."
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unfortunately they gotta stand out front and take shots for the conduct of other people in bernies base.

and even tho shes with liz and not bernie...i love miss ayana with the bald head.

  

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726. "repubs gotta be thankful as fuck for her age"
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728. "i literally looked up her age last night trying to figure out when..."
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she turns 35.

SADLY, she will miss 2024. doesn't turn 35 until Oct 2025.

AOC 2028 i guess.

  

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735. "do you think she could win a statewide race in ny?"
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737. "that's a reeq question, man"
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do you? lol

  

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740. "lol nah too far left imo."
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progressives dont do well in upstate ny and even have a hard time connecting with those mainstream black and latino voters. those white gentrifying neighborhoods actually put her over the top in her primary race.

i would like to see her try to run statewide tho to see where her political power really stands.

after everything that went down last night...i have no idea whats real and whats algorithm anymore.

  

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742. "I think you may be right. Howie Hawkins (Green co-founder) has run for"
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statewide office in NY a *bunch* of times (Senate, Governor x 3 I think). In fact, I believe he ran there on the original GP version of the GND first before anyone was talking about it (Did AOC co-opt GND from the Greens..?), plus single-payer healthcare for NY, etc.

I don't necessarily vibe with the far-left platform but I do really like his approach to politics (he's basically a calm, peaceful, detail-oriented Bernie lol). And ya... looks like a far-left politician winning statewide in NY isn't superviable.

That was pre AOC celebrity tho..

  

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744. "apparently he is running for president now too lol."
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-green-party-candidate-says-hell-run-against-demseven-if-they-nominate-sanders/

  

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745. "Oh I know lol. I went down a rabbit hole one day. He's pretty cool tbh."
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Too left for me policy-wise, but I've developed an interest in what he has to say.

I wonder sometimes if he had as big a profile as Bernie, whether he'd have been able to sell more people on far-left ideas. He just uses such a different political approach... scrubbed entirely of the the histrionics and negativity and he's a lot more chill and intellectual about it all. *Extremely* well versed in the research relevant to the left wing's causes etc. Plus he has proven executive strengths given the work he's put in to grow the GP so far and when he talks about it it's almost like... he's putting us on game or something *shrug* For eg. he went off in one speech about how prohibitive ballot access laws are in the US (compared to other electoral democracies) and how for a political party to actually grow in America a party basically *has* to run pres candidates just to establish ballot lines in states (to then run candidates for lower offices, etc.)

This is one interview of his I thought was a good listen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PR94A5dR5E (part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ho3FqXI7gQ (part 2)

My favorite part is in part 2 when he talks about how pres debates really shouldn't be produced by corporate media, tying it back to how it reinforces the Dem-Repub duopoly. And also an interesting point about how US politics as a whole might even be less contentious/hyper-partisan if 3rd/fringe parties had bigger profiles because polarization develops easier in a duopolized system vs a multi-party.

edit: just read the article you linked. ewww @ RT. He gets a side-eye for that

  

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743. "gotcha. guess i'm going largely off the right's obsession with her"
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constant pictures of her with her mouth open, trying to paint her as this unhinged psycho millineal commie brown girl who thinks cow farts are gonna kill us.

"Unbuckled Obama" is a pretty decent description even in terms of the threat they see in her vs the reality.

  

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733. "she may ultimately be the enduring legacy of sanders' work "
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since she backed him and democratic socialism after coming into politics in part due to the justice democrats organizing born out of his 2016 run.

  

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739. "i think the progressive movement as its defined by bernie is receding. "
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2018 and the results from last night kinda prove it.

aoc is kinda deftly forking her own lane and subtly breaking away from the group orthodoxy in key moments. not a complete splinter but a new branch.

im sure she recognizes the limits and life expectancy of the movement in its current configuration.

the democratic party as a whole is getting more liberal/progressive but not necessarily in that sanders puritanical mold. moreso in the spirit of an unbuckled obama.

  

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741. "perfect. The left has to win more voters"
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Not sure how that is complicated/controversial/partying off a Biden win.

Voters had a choice. Not enough chose the movement.

That sucks.

Step back and think about how to win over more voters.


Screaming "revolution" scares older folks who vote. Don't do that. Don't call it that.


Same general platform, different language, different tone, and more welcoming followers is the way to move forward in my opinion.


Complaining about the establishment, Warren, etc is only further alienating folks and hurting the cause.

There were no dirty tricks here. The moderate wing sewed up and voters chose.


Give a broader group of voters something they want.


I'm not saying pander to boomers, but at least don't scare them off. They fucking vote. Obviously.

I think as AOC gets more experienced she'll be fantastic.


I hope other prominent figures on the left are learning lessons too.

And I hope that because I want progressives to win, not lose and rage tweet/post.

  

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727. "biden won 60% of voters who didnt vote in 2016 primary."
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https://twitter.com/jdelreal/status/1235220401225162752
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“A Washington Post statistical model suggests Biden won nearly 60 percent of voters who sat out the 2016 primary but cast ballots on Tuesday.”
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the voters who drove record turnout in a lot of states overwhelmingly slanted toward one candidate.

biden did especially well in those suburban districts that drove the dem majority takeover in the 2018 midterms and got them the gov in ky. meaning biden was prolly the best candidate to fasten that demographic to the party for the long term.

  

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729. "did a lot of people stay home in 2016 because they didnt like clinton?"
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and bernie to some degree?

definitely would have been nice if biden ran in 2016 (although i understand the reasons he didnt).

  

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731. "it sure looks like it."
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732. "probably lack of actual concern over Trump"
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the prospect of him actually winning was more of "holy shit, could you imagine?" but everyone knew he'd lose.

  

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746. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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This has always been the big part of the Trump Victory that to me explains everything.

Yeah people hated Hillary but at the same time no one thought he would win.




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738. "to be fair last time the result was pretty obvious"
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I think an actual contest drives turnout.

As does hating trump of course.


Dem voters woke the fuck up in 2018, hopefully it continues.

  

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730. "Another one"
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Vex had it all wrong. They came out out for Biden while Bernie hit a ceiling.


>https://twitter.com/jdelreal/status/1235220401225162752
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>“A Washington Post statistical model suggests Biden won
>nearly 60 percent of voters who sat out the 2016 primary but
>cast ballots on Tuesday.”
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>the voters who drove record turnout in a lot of states
>overwhelmingly slanted toward one candidate.
>
>biden did especially well in those suburban districts that
>drove the dem majority takeover in the 2018 midterms and got
>them the gov in ky. meaning biden was prolly the best
>candidate to fasten that demographic to the party for the long
>term.
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736. "a lot of bubble bursting and narrative scrambling."
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i know a lot of what happened over the past few days shook my understanding of whats actually happening out there on the ground.

  

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