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"Super Tuesday"
Sun Mar-01-20 11:47 AM by Vex_id

          

With the first 4 states (finally) accounted for - we head into Super Tuesday where ~34% of the delegates are at stake. This will be a make or break day for many candidates - and should serve to ultimately thin out the field.

One of the only things we all seem to agree on is that the first four states (Iowa, NH, Nevada & SC) should all vote on the same day. Super Tuesday is well designed to feature both demographic and geographic diversity - with multiple states having their respective say on a singular day. Easily the most exciting day of the primary thus far.

Not surprisingly, Sanders is winning the more progressive states - while Biden has a lead in some Southern, more moderate/conservative states. But Sanders has also polled quite well in Texas - and even has a puncher's chance at North Carolina. If he takes both California & Texas, he may very well build an insurmountable plurality as this race moves forward. If he picks off both Massachusetts (which would be embarrassing for Warren) and Virginia - that would really solidify a monstrous Super Tuesday for his campaign, where he'd essentially be lapping the field. He also has a strong chance to win both Utah and Colorado - proving that he can take more moderate states as well.

Bloomberg finally enters the fray - but can he get a win anywhere on the map? Warren still hasn't won a contest - nor has she been all that competitive - but with her admission that she's now pivoting to look for a brokered convention - she's essentially saying this is just a delegate collection exercise for her at this point, which is both strange and daunting for party prospects moving forward if we're bracing for an ugly, brokered convention. Will Pete stay in? Will this come down to a Sanders-Biden-Bloomberg three-way race? Two-person race?

We shall see very shortly.


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Voted early yesterday
Mar 01st 2020
1
High turnout is always encouraging for Dems
Mar 01st 2020
12
powerful gesture of solidarity for the sanders campaign ahead of tuesday
Mar 01st 2020
2
This is one of the more impressive collective endorsements I've ever see...
Mar 01st 2020
11
If polling is anywhere near accurate, Bernard should have a big day.
Mar 01st 2020
3
Funny, I didn’t notice any of ur replies in the SC prim post after
Mar 01st 2020
7
? All the polling indicated he would be 2nd, and he was.
Mar 01st 2020
15
      He was crushed, y’all thought it would be close .Granny and dem don’...
Mar 01st 2020
19
           Meanwhile, he’s polling ahead in CA, TX , WI. Shrug.
Mar 01st 2020
33
                We’ll see! Most of that polling was pre SC and pre Mayor Pete’s exit...
Mar 02nd 2020
78
unfortunately we have to (re: warren)
Mar 02nd 2020
49
Popular vote totals between Bernie and Biden Super Tuesday
Mar 01st 2020
4
Bernie didn't show up for the Edmund Pettus Bridge Bloody Sunday march
Mar 01st 2020
5
Has he given up on Black votes already??
Mar 01st 2020
8
He was just giving the Black vote lip service
Mar 01st 2020
14
      lol Sanders is either 1st or a close 2nd with Black voters nationally
Mar 01st 2020
23
           So we can trust NBC and Wallstreet when it's not a negative story
Mar 02nd 2020
89
Candidates have to be strategic in this very limited window of time
Mar 01st 2020
10
      All the other candidates showed up, even the one who dropped out.
Mar 01st 2020
16
Sanders-linked group entered into racial discrimination NDA
Mar 01st 2020
6
Bernie should be the big winner on Tuesday and thus get the
Mar 01st 2020
9
He can't unite the party.
Mar 01st 2020
13
He already has. He has the deepest, broadest coalition on the left.
Mar 01st 2020
18
Lmao. Aren’t y’all always going on about numbers...the 20 something
Mar 01st 2020
21
      Math ain’t your friend, huh?
Mar 01st 2020
32
           no I think it’s not urs. His numbers so far don’t demonstrate broad
Mar 02nd 2020
80
i don’t think he can either. I was watching a lot of clips of White fo...
Mar 01st 2020
20
this expectation is odd to me at this point
Mar 02nd 2020
197
Buttigieg drops out
Mar 01st 2020
17
As like the only person rooting for him on here,,
Mar 01st 2020
22
*black grandmom hug + back rub*
Mar 01st 2020
27
lol!
Mar 01st 2020
28
nope I was waving the buttigieg banner
Mar 02nd 2020
40
dude sucked and his politics sucked
Mar 02nd 2020
41
i feel for you
Mar 02nd 2020
47
lol thx
Mar 02nd 2020
71
      ive mostly come to terms with warren being done
Mar 02nd 2020
86
if It makes a difference, he was starting to win me back over, slightly ...
Mar 02nd 2020
87
that should be the nail in the coffin for ia/nh prominence.
Mar 01st 2020
24
the only reason he was the 'delegate' leader is because of
Mar 01st 2020
26
      youre really riding hard for keeping iowa 1st huh? lol.
Mar 01st 2020
30
           easily
Mar 01st 2020
36
                diversity politics undoing democracy? really?
Mar 02nd 2020
42
                yea, your reasoning on this one is completely throwing me off
Mar 02nd 2020
208
I'd like to see him boot Pence out the VP mansion
Mar 01st 2020
29
I'm pessimistic about VA esp. if this is a Biden/Bernie race
Mar 01st 2020
25
maybe federal govt workers know best
Mar 01st 2020
31
because
Mar 01st 2020
38
      i have no idea what your beef with mainstream media
Mar 01st 2020
39
NoVa isn't all Raytheon Acres
Mar 01st 2020
35
      that's more of what I was thinking, didn't know how to phrase it
Mar 01st 2020
37
      it takes less words to say racist
Mar 03rd 2020
247
turnout among 1st time voters is down in early states.
Mar 01st 2020
34
Only thing that matters is turnout in swing states
Mar 02nd 2020
43
or...that overall turnout is actually UP
Mar 02nd 2020
72
Where are the new voters BBs? The rapid holdovers from 16
Mar 02nd 2020
82
Where’s Warren voters.. new, old, black, white? Lmao
Mar 02nd 2020
92
      Warrens not getting the nom. Stay ur dumbass out of grown folks
Mar 02nd 2020
97
           ^^^ YOU NAH TEEEEEE
Mar 02nd 2020
113
           They complain about the Bro’s and then post threats
Mar 02nd 2020
204
           U Maaaaaad
Mar 02nd 2020
198
           lol
Mar 02nd 2020
240
turn out seems to be matching 2008 no?
Mar 02nd 2020
101
Abby Phillip of CNN: Pete's goal was to limit Bernie's delegate lead
Mar 02nd 2020
44
If that was his goal then I am all for it. Bravo Pete.
Mar 02nd 2020
45
LOL #NeVaRsAnDeRs
Mar 02nd 2020
46
      You can pop that teen response shit all you want, Sanders will lose to
Mar 02nd 2020
48
           If your concern was beating Trump - supporting Sanders is pragmatic
Mar 02nd 2020
51
           Polls had Hillary beating Trump, so polling isn’t perfect.
Mar 02nd 2020
54
                Polls also showed that Sanders was stronger than Clinton v. Trump
Mar 02nd 2020
57
                     Lmao I just told you polls were wrong in 2016
Mar 02nd 2020
67
                          So you're advocating for ignoring all the data?
Mar 02nd 2020
69
                          Polls are hardly all the data,tho.Especially if the sampling is fucked
Mar 02nd 2020
77
                               What criteria do you suggest we use when assessing candidates
Mar 02nd 2020
83
                          You think a brokered convention with a brand new name is goin to win?
Mar 02nd 2020
91
           RE: You can pop that teen response shit all you want, Sanders will lose ...
Mar 02nd 2020
52
           * hell yeah
Mar 02nd 2020
60
           Bernie beats Trump in 4/5 swing states, ties in 5th
Mar 02nd 2020
65
What's wrong with that?
Mar 02nd 2020
62
This is the goal of everyone currently still running that is not Bernie.
Mar 02nd 2020
68
Yeah.. everyone is running to pull delegates
Mar 02nd 2020
94
can't call it a conspiracy 'theory' when it's happening in plain sight
Mar 02nd 2020
162
      Fax.
Mar 02nd 2020
220
pretty significant shifts heading into super tuesday
Mar 02nd 2020
50
RE: pretty significant shifts heading into super tuesday
Mar 02nd 2020
53
      just a gut feeling
Mar 02nd 2020
56
      Pete had a lot of bouts throughout this primary - not just w/ Sanders
Mar 02nd 2020
59
      the 'revolutionary politics of the 60s' swipe at Sanders
Mar 02nd 2020
63
           Politics is when we wait until something polls at 51%
Mar 02nd 2020
64
                I'm sure he had a team crunching numbers while he furiously updated
Mar 02nd 2020
76
                     This is a surreal sentence
Mar 02nd 2020
85
                          RE: This is a surreal sentence
Mar 02nd 2020
88
                          He was a surreal candidate
Mar 02nd 2020
90
      I truly think Amy is sticking around to keep Minnesota away from Bernie.
Mar 02nd 2020
61
           I was wrong—she’s out and gonna endorse Biden.
Mar 02nd 2020
110
      L M A O !!!!
Mar 02nd 2020
123
remember the company line: Bernie can't lose!
Mar 02nd 2020
55
Bernie is tearing families apart! Flava Flav kicked out of Public Enemy
Mar 02nd 2020
58
>.<
Mar 02nd 2020
66
CAN'T TRUSS IT haha... talk to chuck d about that
Mar 02nd 2020
70
Coronavirus is spreading in California *precisely* during Bernie's rally
Mar 02nd 2020
73
He's a menace!!
Mar 02nd 2020
75
It wasn't Bernie, it was Flav and his lawyers
Mar 02nd 2020
74
"Hoohhhwooowuuayeaah..."
Mar 02nd 2020
79
Smh Bernie or bust, they are all rabid, even chuck D. This is deep
Mar 02nd 2020
81
      lol
Mar 02nd 2020
84
           anything that supports the BBs are lefty trumpers agenda
Mar 02nd 2020
210
Bree Newsome Bass endorses Bernie
Mar 02nd 2020
93
I voted last week in NC for Bernie.
Mar 02nd 2020
95
      hell yeah!
Mar 02nd 2020
96
      You're an interesting voter in this process.
Mar 02nd 2020
98
           I voted for Bernie in 2016.
Mar 02nd 2020
100
                It's interesting to see where the voter journey takes them
Mar 02nd 2020
102
                     there are some "future former republicans"
Mar 02nd 2020
104
                          Once the debates start and you see Bernie vs Trump
Mar 02nd 2020
124
could texas be the tipping point?
Mar 02nd 2020
99
Texas is big.
Mar 02nd 2020
103
Good 538 read: “Why Mayor Pete Dropped Out”:
Mar 02nd 2020
105
Sanders/Wellstone vs. Biden on Pharma Pricing
Mar 02nd 2020
106
Down goes Amy
Mar 02nd 2020
107
Warren's legacy is decided today
Mar 02nd 2020
112
      lol
Mar 02nd 2020
114
Klobuchar, out
Mar 02nd 2020
108
her tweet about him dropping out seemed respectful
Mar 02nd 2020
116
Amy Klobuchar is out
Mar 02nd 2020
109
pressure now on warren i guess
Mar 02nd 2020
111
      I'm hoping she won't fold and stick it out
Mar 02nd 2020
120
           i agree
Mar 02nd 2020
129
Irritated
Mar 02nd 2020
115
Fair point.
Mar 02nd 2020
117
RE: Irritated
Mar 02nd 2020
127
The Moderate vote is consolidating
Mar 02nd 2020
118
i guess i early voted for biden
Mar 02nd 2020
119
it is, unless Bernie indicates warren will get his VP slot,
Mar 02nd 2020
151
What are you basing this on?
Mar 02nd 2020
160
      i do spend some time browsing the warren sub
Mar 02nd 2020
168
           RE: i do spend some time browsing the warren sub
Mar 02nd 2020
178
                You say this with pride, but you don't realize it hurts your candidate.
Mar 02nd 2020
182
                RE: You say this with pride, but you don't realize it hurts your candida...
Mar 02nd 2020
188
                does this happen more on her sub than others?
Mar 02nd 2020
191
                     RE: does this happen more on her sub than others?
Mar 02nd 2020
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                          its kind of like subs are allowed to make their own rules
Mar 02nd 2020
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                               RE: its kind of like subs are allowed to make their own rules
Mar 02nd 2020
202
Refusing to drop out is an interesting take
Mar 02nd 2020
121
all of this
Mar 02nd 2020
125
Yea - she's clearly in it for the long-haul. She's now taking SuperPac ...
Mar 02nd 2020
130
To hold dropping out against Steyer, Pete, and Amy also assumes
Mar 02nd 2020
139
      Nothing happened. They all made political choices.
Mar 02nd 2020
141
           I hear you. I disagree, but I understand where you're coming from.
Mar 02nd 2020
142
                Nobody is making anyone do anything
Mar 02nd 2020
146
                     I know. Politics is fucked up tho.
Mar 02nd 2020
149
                          These aren’t their political choices to make at this point
Mar 02nd 2020
152
                               Right. But that's why I think the Dem estab/donor class cutting off
Mar 02nd 2020
164
                                    k
Mar 02nd 2020
166
you're hilarious
Mar 02nd 2020
122
      y’all really need to stop this Bernie Bro bullshit on here
Mar 02nd 2020
128
      lol right - not sure why people are acting brand new
Mar 02nd 2020
131
      Implying you are turning voters off is bullshit
Mar 02nd 2020
143
      RE: y’all really need to stop this Bernie Bro bullshit on here
Mar 02nd 2020
134
           I’m sure there are some asshole Bernie supporters online
Mar 02nd 2020
147
      ^^^^^^^^
Mar 02nd 2020
153
Harry Reid just endorsed Biden
Mar 02nd 2020
126
Yup. As did Tim Kaine - and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz lol
Mar 02nd 2020
132
I feel like there should be a deadline for dropping out
Mar 02nd 2020
133
It also has the effect of giving Bernie's opponents ammo to nullify
Mar 02nd 2020
136
this fione Buttigieg campaigner rang my doorbell yesterday at 3:45pm....
Mar 02nd 2020
138
      I was canvassing for Ralph Nader in Staten Island
Mar 02nd 2020
150
           A black man
Mar 02nd 2020
167
                I ain’t get paid.. it was the first day
Mar 02nd 2020
189
biden lies about mandela, getting arrested & civil rights movement
Mar 02nd 2020
135
dont forget the school bussing in the 70s, strom thurmond and other
Mar 02nd 2020
137
He also served 8 years under Obama so he’s good.
Mar 02nd 2020
140
shaun king's reporting shows he's revived this pattern in 2019-2020
Mar 02nd 2020
144
RE: We have the 8th largest Black population in America
Mar 02nd 2020
161
Incorrect.
Mar 02nd 2020
145
      Ehhh, by default he is viewed as Obama’s guy
Mar 02nd 2020
155
      I hate agreeing with legsdiamond but he’s correct (since he’s agreei...
Mar 02nd 2020
157
      Nah. Obama actually was trying to talk Biden out of this
Mar 02nd 2020
159
           now here's a conspiracy theory: there's an 'Obama' wing of the Democrats
Mar 02nd 2020
163
           I think both of you are right, tbh lol. He's been leaning on that Obama
Mar 02nd 2020
171
      Don’t play dumb you know exactly what I mean.
Mar 02nd 2020
158
The Dems seem to specialize in forced coronations.. lol
Mar 02nd 2020
148
      Beyond that it’s the establishment being scared shitless of Bernie
Mar 02nd 2020
154
           ^^^this
Mar 02nd 2020
156
           RE: Beyond that it’s the establishment being scared shitless of Bernie...
Mar 02nd 2020
165
                It’s easy to post progressive talking points
Mar 02nd 2020
174
                     ^yup
Mar 02nd 2020
238
Pete to endorse Biden
Mar 02nd 2020
169
And Warren and Bloomberg and Tulsi
Mar 02nd 2020
170
lol huh?
Mar 02nd 2020
173
Lol! The estab thought folks enjoyed '16 so much, they made a sequel :)
Mar 02nd 2020
175
RE: Lol! The estab thought folks enjoyed '16 so much, they made a sequel...
Mar 02nd 2020
181
No one was voting back then
Mar 02nd 2020
177
I do wonder
Mar 02nd 2020
185
Warren is officially the only woman and youngest Presidential candidate.
Mar 02nd 2020
183
DON'T THROW AWAY YOUR VOTE
Mar 02nd 2020
192
So...wtf is Warren doing?
Mar 02nd 2020
172
Hanging out.. spending other people’s money
Mar 02nd 2020
179
if she has been in it to win then the recent drop outs only boost her
Mar 02nd 2020
186
RE: chances of what?
Mar 02nd 2020
196
      95% of the delegates available are unalloted at the moment
Mar 02nd 2020
200
      we find out tomorrow
Mar 02nd 2020
201
           ^^^ the Warren bump
Mar 02nd 2020
207
My take is the estab *wants* Warren to stay in as long as possible
Mar 02nd 2020
193
^ sexism in action
Mar 02nd 2020
199
      Lol!I was like whoa waitaminute.You're right tho,good catch. This link:
Mar 02nd 2020
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           i didnt even focus on the exact numbers
Mar 02nd 2020
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                Ohh good point. Yea, clearly I'm no expert on SuperPACs/CampaignFin
Mar 02nd 2020
213
Warren won’t leave because that will give votes to Bernie.
Mar 02nd 2020
215
8-9 MILLION votes already cast for Super Tuesday.
Mar 02nd 2020
176
The OPTICS if Biden does poorly on ST with all the early votes cast<<<<<
Mar 02nd 2020
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      i definitely think this is overreaction to SC
Mar 02nd 2020
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      I think it’s a reaction to Super Tuesday polling data
Mar 02nd 2020
190
      He should do well in a few southern states
Mar 02nd 2020
187
is there an assumption that if Liz drops out she endorses Bernie?
Mar 02nd 2020
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i think the assumption is most/all warren supporters would vote bernie
Mar 02nd 2020
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i actually think it might be the opposite
Mar 02nd 2020
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      theres been too many developments to make confident predictions
Mar 02nd 2020
212
The data shows that her supporters prefer Sanders as 2nd choice
Mar 02nd 2020
217
as a warren supporter... she drops out im voting biden
Mar 02nd 2020
244
how are there debates before Iowa and Nevada but not ST?
Mar 02nd 2020
214
SC debate will have to hold you
Mar 02nd 2020
216
predictions
Mar 02nd 2020
218
Punk ass Chris Matthews just resigned live on air!
Mar 02nd 2020
Chris Matthews out at msnbc
Mar 02nd 2020
219
Probably more coming
Mar 02nd 2020
221
Good
Mar 02nd 2020
222
good he was awful
Mar 02nd 2020
226
probably accidentally spit on someone with his mush mouth
Mar 02nd 2020
241
dude really was awful
Mar 03rd 2020
281
Gonna go out on a limb...
Mar 02nd 2020
223
Damn you got Bernie losing even though he is favored in Cali
Mar 02nd 2020
224
      I know, 415 is a lot to make up for Biden but I said what
Mar 02nd 2020
229
I guess we're going to have to beat this old guy
Mar 02nd 2020
225
which old guy? Both front runners are old str8 White men
Mar 02nd 2020
227
      and bernie is older than biden.
Mar 02nd 2020
233
      Bernie isn't the one who's going to beat him
Mar 02nd 2020
235
      he's the youngest guy in the race lol
Mar 02nd 2020
236
Beto O’Rourke plans to endorse Biden tonight.
Mar 02nd 2020
228
Fuckin chump.
Mar 02nd 2020
230
Can’t believe I fell for dudes lil speech
Mar 02nd 2020
231
beto knows 1st hand what dems need to win downballot races in tx.
Mar 03rd 2020
254
i got an email
Mar 03rd 2020
284
Tulsi Gabbard holds Austin town hall on Monday
Mar 02nd 2020
232
lol
Mar 02nd 2020
234
have some good bbq when youre down there vex
Mar 03rd 2020
286
mike bloombergs campaign will continue to be one of the dumbest
Mar 02nd 2020
237
He might be able to win - if.there are still Reagan Democrats left
Mar 02nd 2020
239
reagan democrats were white working class voters.
Mar 02nd 2020
242
all those billions and still got those yellow teef
Mar 02nd 2020
243
lmao
Mar 02nd 2020
245
lol
Mar 02nd 2020
246
RE: mike bloombergs campaign will continue to be one of the dumbest
Mar 03rd 2020
276
Reminder: Joe Biden loses to Trump.
Mar 03rd 2020
248
video of Biden forgetting constitution... this is bad.
Mar 03rd 2020
249
I can't watch this bowl of jell-o. I tried and I cannot do it.
Mar 03rd 2020
251
he said hes winning georgia tonight
Mar 03rd 2020
288
I'm in this line.
Mar 03rd 2020
252
I definitely thought Biden would be able to peel off older white voters
Mar 03rd 2020
261
Exactly right.
Mar 03rd 2020
255
Panic sets in!!! Lmao, you all have ur polls and ur broad and deep
Mar 03rd 2020
289
      Enjoy Joe Biden. Hope that works out for you.
Mar 03rd 2020
311
           im fine with anyone besides Bloomberg and tulsi
Mar 03rd 2020
318
                LOL of course
Mar 03rd 2020
322
what a complete 180, how are y’all panicking like this so quickly?
Mar 03rd 2020
291
if this were true, Trump wouldn't be so afraid of him
Mar 03rd 2020
294
      they never answer this.
Mar 03rd 2020
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      And let’s not forget the Russians want him as the nom too
Mar 03rd 2020
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      RE: if this were true, Trump wouldn't be so afraid of him
Mar 03rd 2020
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           there is a significant amount of Bernie supporters
Mar 03rd 2020
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                RE: there is a significant amount of Bernie supporters
Mar 03rd 2020
325
so far biden has spent the least amount of money per vote by a mile.
Mar 03rd 2020
250
It’s because Biden won big in SC
Mar 03rd 2020
259
      bernie has up to now underperformed his polling in states with a primary...
Mar 03rd 2020
275
biden shot to the lead in 538s prediction model.
Mar 03rd 2020
253
I've got a practical question regarding ballots
Mar 03rd 2020
256
good question
Mar 03rd 2020
258
An article from Slate on the matter
Mar 03rd 2020
266
Perfect! Thanks
Mar 03rd 2020
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RE: Perfect! Thanks
Mar 03rd 2020
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thanks for this info.
Mar 03rd 2020
283
i know when i voted early in texas i still had 17 options
Mar 03rd 2020
292
Holy shit
Mar 03rd 2020
336
Most of the former candidates were on my in-person ballot in CA.
Mar 03rd 2020
320
      Yep, even a few I hadn't heard of or completely forgotten existed.
Mar 03rd 2020
344
Americans, by nature, like to be on winning teams
Mar 03rd 2020
257
I want to talk about Elizabeth Warren as well:
Mar 03rd 2020
260
She backed Hillary over Sanders last time
Mar 03rd 2020
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      the lesson we all should have learned.
Mar 03rd 2020
268
      thats false. she did not back hillary over sanders.
Mar 03rd 2020
           She didn’t back the progressive
Mar 03rd 2020
272
           there were almost 100 progressive caucus members.
Mar 03rd 2020
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           Hillary ran on a progressive platform
Mar 03rd 2020
287
                what actual policies are you referring to?
Mar 03rd 2020
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                Nothing that I’d go back and forth with any of y’all on.
Mar 03rd 2020
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                most progressive party platform in history (c) bernie
Mar 03rd 2020
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                     Who we allow to be defined by their actions vs who’s defined by their
Mar 03rd 2020
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                     The platform didn’t lose.. SHE LOST
Mar 03rd 2020
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                          Small quibble, the first election since the VRA was destroyed
Mar 03rd 2020
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                          and the comey announcement shifted polls by a few points itself.
Mar 03rd 2020
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                          you do realize hillary lost the most support from people
Mar 03rd 2020
304
           thanks, i misremembered this
Mar 03rd 2020
342
The Stop Sanders movement has gone public: (swipe)
Mar 03rd 2020
263
dogg.... the Democratic Party would be destroyed
Mar 03rd 2020
264
I think The Stop Sanders...actually helps Bern
Mar 03rd 2020
267
Biden scores coveted John Brennan endorsement
Mar 03rd 2020
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Bill Kristol also endorsed Biden.
Mar 03rd 2020
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      We're getting the band back together!
Mar 03rd 2020
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           It's pretty clear that given the state of Biden's faculties
Mar 03rd 2020
274
clint eastwood endorsed mike bloomberg (a few days old).
Mar 03rd 2020
277
That Obama performance art
Mar 03rd 2020
278
that was an all timer.
Mar 03rd 2020
282
Republican endorses Republican for President
Mar 03rd 2020
305
Thanks Obama
Mar 03rd 2020
279
oh, c'mon man
Mar 03rd 2020
285
Yeah my Okp assholia aside, this exactly not the type of rhetoric
Mar 03rd 2020
295
      how come when they demonize 'establishment' politicians
Mar 03rd 2020
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      Man U know it’s much harder to demonize real ppl and not look like
Mar 03rd 2020
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      they became their own worst enemies
Mar 03rd 2020
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      Keep fooling yourself
Mar 03rd 2020
303
           Ugh were you around in 2018? That was the Democratic Party, that
Mar 03rd 2020
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           right?
Mar 03rd 2020
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           imagine the "the energy or political savvy" that will be used
Mar 03rd 2020
330
                We expect a tough fight from the GOP.. not from our own fucking people
Mar 03rd 2020
340
                     cmon man. the point of an election is to win
Mar 03rd 2020
341
                          If the point is to win why are you talking about SC?
Mar 03rd 2020
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                               the biggest consequence of the drop outs is denying bernie delegates
Mar 03rd 2020
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if the movement can't beat the feckless Dems
Mar 03rd 2020
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this is a really good point.
Mar 03rd 2020
326
right
Mar 03rd 2020
328
He’s not polling, pulling better than he did four years ago ... why no...
Mar 03rd 2020
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^^^^^^^^^
Mar 03rd 2020
334
and if the Dems can’t beat Trump...
Mar 03rd 2020
327
Good that's what happens when you talk about
Mar 03rd 2020
329
When the mask is off - I feel like this is what the Dem party is today:
Mar 03rd 2020
301
I see we are just going to ignore Adam Savage endorsing Warren
Mar 03rd 2020
306
Late polls show Biden with gigantic gains on Super Tuesday
Mar 03rd 2020
310
bloomberg: joes taking votes away from me
Mar 03rd 2020
312
I hope he doesn’t get more than 10 delegates today
Mar 03rd 2020
314
      i think biden gets more than 10 delegates, hes not going anywhere
Mar 03rd 2020
317
      I hope Bloomberg gets 0 delegates and goes home
Mar 03rd 2020
333
Biden is having a rally in Oakland today—Kamala to endorse?
Mar 03rd 2020
315
Comey just came out for Biden ... lol
Mar 03rd 2020
331
ugh. That’s unwelcome. What say does he have? Another person
Mar 03rd 2020
335
It's almost like he's trolling Hillary.
Mar 03rd 2020
338
Because he’s a bitch.
Mar 03rd 2020
339
bum ass.
Mar 03rd 2020
356
DNC is actually trying to save America
Mar 03rd 2020
337
As the polls are closing, i have a couple of questions
Mar 03rd 2020
346
sadly young voter turnout has not been a bright spot all primary.
Mar 03rd 2020
347
this has me worried
Mar 03rd 2020
348
yeah this is discouraging
Mar 03rd 2020
352
i thought climate change woulda been that issue.
Mar 03rd 2020
361
old dems and repubs in charge have successfully cooked young...
Mar 03rd 2020
353
      or maybe constantly calling everyone corrupt and saying both parties
Mar 03rd 2020
359
RE: As the polls are closing, i have a couple of questions
Mar 03rd 2020
349
i have a list of senators
Mar 03rd 2020
351
im seeing some senators start posting about the senate
Mar 03rd 2020
424
Biden projected to win VA, Bernie to win VT
Mar 03rd 2020
350
biden got 63% of the black vote in virginia.
Mar 03rd 2020
355
      they about to call black folk the establishment
Mar 03rd 2020
357
      lmao and smh
Mar 03rd 2020
358
      'who is paying them?!!!'
Mar 03rd 2020
362
      btw sanders got 16% of the black vote in va in 2016.
Mar 03rd 2020
367
           lololol
Mar 03rd 2020
369
delegates at stake
Mar 03rd 2020
354
Biden pro’d to win NC
Mar 03rd 2020
360
Bloomberg takes American Somoa
Mar 03rd 2020
363
lmao
Mar 03rd 2020
365
apparently tulsi also won a delegate
Mar 03rd 2020
368
      wtf?
Mar 03rd 2020
373
           Tulsi is Samoan fam
Mar 03rd 2020
376
                i assumed she was born/bred hawaiian.
Mar 03rd 2020
379
Bloomberg gets American Samoa. Had 7 full time paid staffers
Mar 03rd 2020
364
Highest obesity and Type 2 Diabetes rates in the world.
Mar 04th 2020
608
Biden looks like he'll sweep the south tonight
Mar 03rd 2020
366
Fuckin' Virginia
Mar 03rd 2020
370
LOL
Mar 03rd 2020
371
      I used to commute through Langley
Mar 03rd 2020
380
prolly comes down to the bernie margins in cali.
Mar 03rd 2020
372
      Either way you slice it - this is a monstrous night for Biden
Mar 03rd 2020
375
           the more things change the more things stay the same.
Mar 03rd 2020
381
Bama pro’d for Biden
Mar 03rd 2020
374
reminder: no dem has won the nomination without winning the black vote
Mar 03rd 2020
377
btw repubs have only won the popular vote once since 1988.
Mar 03rd 2020
383
so basically we might be trading one old white man for another old white...
Mar 03rd 2020
378
I mean, that's been true practically this whole primary
Mar 03rd 2020
382
using that logic - might as well vote Trump
Mar 03rd 2020
388
not really. i'd never vote for trump
Mar 03rd 2020
398
pretty much our entire history.
Mar 03rd 2020
396
      tbh, i was looking for an exciting nominee
Mar 03rd 2020
399
           im there with you.
Mar 03rd 2020
407
the fact that biden is doing this with little money and organizing
Mar 03rd 2020
384
I get why people dont like all the candidates left.
Mar 03rd 2020
385
People will deny this to the grave......
Mar 03rd 2020
389
why do yall continue to dismiss the actual voters?
Mar 03rd 2020
406
I didnt think it was all that complicated to see how Biden beats Trump
Mar 03rd 2020
390
so how does he?
Mar 03rd 2020
397
Biden has dementia. So does Trump, but Trumps charismatic
Mar 03rd 2020
404
You can literally see Joe's brain melting when he speaks.
Mar 03rd 2020
448
Warren is third in her own state right now
Mar 03rd 2020
386
Trump is prolly so sick that none of the media coverage is about
Mar 03rd 2020
387
Looks like Bloomberg might be throwing a wrench in things
Mar 03rd 2020
391
how? he's picked up... what? 4 delegates??
Mar 03rd 2020
401
Bernie has made some serious missteps
Mar 03rd 2020
392
lol
Mar 03rd 2020
405
sanders 2016 coalition has noticeably shrunk.
Mar 03rd 2020
393
really interesting, he’s ceiling is very real. All the ppl initially i...
Mar 03rd 2020
409
It's impressive to see Biden come back from the dead this way.
Mar 03rd 2020
394
And I can't figure it out.
Mar 03rd 2020
395
      Exit polls are saying old people scared by the coronavirus
Mar 03rd 2020
400
      lol
Mar 03rd 2020
410
           It's why you can't get too caught up in the poli-sci, high level thought
Mar 03rd 2020
414
      The *story* is a cable news creation
Mar 03rd 2020
402
      Lowkey this is kind of hilarious. I mean that. Genuinely comical.
Mar 03rd 2020
403
Qn: given that biden's comeback is powered by black voters
Mar 03rd 2020
408
the deep dark state.
Mar 03rd 2020
417
      it's really curious
Mar 03rd 2020
430
           lmao @ that tweet. they really thought nina turner was harriet tubman.
Mar 03rd 2020
433
                *dead* at that tweet and this reply. I thought Bernie had made so
Mar 03rd 2020
443
Sanders isn't losing because of Warren and Biden isn't where he is
Mar 03rd 2020
411
Bernie pro’d to win Colorado
Mar 03rd 2020
412
Sanders holding a steady lead in Texas at the moment
Mar 03rd 2020
413
sanders should thank God for the early vote in some states.
Mar 03rd 2020
416
nytimes showing sanders at 29% and Biden at 22% in TX so far
Mar 03rd 2020
418
this is a real worry i have about biden
Mar 04th 2020
597
So far Biden above 15% in every state, including VT
Mar 03rd 2020
415
Biden gets Tenn
Mar 03rd 2020
419
62% of black vote.
Mar 03rd 2020
423
      ^^^establishment
Mar 03rd 2020
427
Tulsi may have just qualified for the debates lmao
Mar 03rd 2020
420
she will definitely show up too
Mar 04th 2020
598
virginia turnout has nearly *doubled* from 2016.
Mar 03rd 2020
421
good shit. And sheesh at how much Biden won VA by, smashed it
Mar 03rd 2020
425
damn biden won oklahoma.
Mar 03rd 2020
422
It’s really inspiring to see democrats energized and unified
Mar 03rd 2020
426
i hope dems pull it together and win in november.
Mar 03rd 2020
431
Unified? lol
Mar 03rd 2020
432
      yes *democrats* are unified. *yall* raggedy asses might not be.
Mar 03rd 2020
434
      lol
Mar 03rd 2020
436
      More so than they were before SC. Sorry it’s not benefiting Bernie
Mar 03rd 2020
438
           You're gonna need those "not democrats" you're referring to
Mar 03rd 2020
445
                “Im” gonna need? Do you not want trump out of office too?
Mar 03rd 2020
450
                     oh so now you want to refer to this as "us" and "we"
Mar 03rd 2020
451
                          Did u just see how I said I’m not factoring in BBs lol. Ima leave U
Mar 03rd 2020
455
                               Congrats on Biden's big victories.
Mar 03rd 2020
463
                                    i love both of yall. we all family. our house on 3.
Mar 03rd 2020
468
United Health stock is up
Mar 03rd 2020
428
market jitters is what turned a lot of people toward Biden I think
Mar 04th 2020
551
I didn’t expect Biden to do this well in Maine and Mass and Oklahoma
Mar 03rd 2020
429
wow @ ma. last pre poll showed bernie ahead of the field by 8 pts.
Mar 03rd 2020
439
      ma officially called for biden. bonkers.
Mar 03rd 2020
457
           Thats insane, that and Okla. Biden camp bet the farm on SC and came
Mar 03rd 2020
469
Warren not looking to be viable in *any* states
Mar 03rd 2020
435
ah come on don’t grasp for anything. U urself declared it a two
Mar 03rd 2020
440
Oh hell naw you don't get to do that:
Mar 03rd 2020
442
      Find the replies I shit on tulsi. Ur in a frenzy, it’s ok. I rarely me...
Mar 03rd 2020
447
      lol
Mar 03rd 2020
460
      I shit on tulsi repeatedly, but I haven't brought her up in forever
Mar 03rd 2020
464
Not a good look by Warren
Mar 03rd 2020
441
Lot of Sanders supporters saying Warren costed him a few states
Mar 04th 2020
552
Big rebuke to the idea u can buy ur way in, Bloomberg spent
Mar 03rd 2020
437
don't turn your nose up at his money yet
Mar 03rd 2020
444
good. It will be better use of his money. He shouldn’t have wasted
Mar 03rd 2020
452
spent just enough to do damage to biden in tx and co.
Mar 03rd 2020
453
somebody please punch bloomberg in his face.
Mar 03rd 2020
446
LMAO. This dude ended up paying like $50 Million per delegate
Mar 03rd 2020
449
dude talking big shit on the 1st day hes on any ballot
Mar 03rd 2020
454
BAG TALK!!!
Mar 03rd 2020
475
cali votes could come in and change this entire narrative lol.
Mar 03rd 2020
456
Sanders will win cali but will it be a blow out? That the question
Mar 03rd 2020
459
so far bernie has been underperforming across the board.
Mar 03rd 2020
465
Nope. Regardless of what happens in Cali - the story is Biden
Mar 03rd 2020
461
      joe aint standing for no malarkey. he will rise to the occasion.
Mar 03rd 2020
467
      lmao!
Mar 03rd 2020
471
      he'll tell everyone he hugged mandela backstage
Mar 03rd 2020
487
Minnesota. Thanks Amy!!!
Mar 03rd 2020
458
Biden: This is my sister!!!
Mar 03rd 2020
462
remember: It's everyone else's fault if Bernie doesn't win.
Mar 03rd 2020
466
lol
Mar 03rd 2020
470
LMAO at Biden's speech.
Mar 03rd 2020
472
this election is about to be so depressing.
Mar 03rd 2020
474
      lol. it really is. i don't plan on watching any of it
Mar 03rd 2020
484
      sameski. im tuning it allllll out and just showing up at the poll.
Mar 03rd 2020
491
      The first Biden Trump debate will be the highest rated debate
Mar 04th 2020
617
           at least maybe Biden takes a swing at him...
Mar 04th 2020
638
story of the night should be: black folks change elections.
Mar 03rd 2020
473
Yup. Also: Clyburn the Kingmaker
Mar 03rd 2020
478
      you gotta stop viewing everything through the binary prism
Mar 04th 2020
494
           I disagree.
Mar 04th 2020
530
As good of a night as it's been for Biden, Sanders is closing strong
Mar 03rd 2020
476
Biden *is* getting delegates from Colorado. U may want to check again
Mar 04th 2020
492
Why is it so hard to vote in Cali?
Mar 03rd 2020
477
It isn't.
Mar 03rd 2020
481
my spot had at least 30 machines
Mar 03rd 2020
486
I had no problems.
Mar 04th 2020
496
California already called for Sanders
Mar 03rd 2020
479
jeff sessions fails to win the GOP nom, lol. its a runoff
Mar 03rd 2020
480
looks like biden will take 10 states and sanders will take 4.
Mar 03rd 2020
482
Yep. Bernie losing mass, Maine, and now seemingly Texas is an
Mar 04th 2020
502
Biden sweeps the South; Sanders sweeps the West
Mar 03rd 2020
483
Bernie better start energizing the youth vote more effectively.
Mar 03rd 2020
485
im wondering what the hell more can his campaign do
Mar 03rd 2020
488
      not gonna lie i haven't followed the campaign closely...
Mar 04th 2020
506
           bernie campaigns hard to young voters and college students.
Mar 04th 2020
513
                Its clear to me. These are the same folks that say voting doesn’t
Mar 04th 2020
526
                     all good points.
Mar 04th 2020
529
biden dominated the east and midwest too.
Mar 03rd 2020
489
      I wouldn't say he dominated there
Mar 03rd 2020
490
           i mean he won every east coast state but sanders home court.
Mar 04th 2020
493
           we overestimate that.
Mar 04th 2020
500
                bernie had a 14(!) pt polling lead collapse in maine.
Mar 04th 2020
503
                Everyone dropped out and endorsed Biden
Mar 04th 2020
557
                If we're gonna play the moderate/progressive game,
Mar 04th 2020
564
           Lol
Mar 04th 2020
498
Texas too close to call - Biden just took a slight lead
Mar 04th 2020
495
Biden’s lead growing in Texas per nytimes. Wow
Mar 04th 2020
511
      theres no way to downplay that.
Mar 04th 2020
518
           it looks like over 60% of black folks in tx voted for biden.
Mar 04th 2020
539
bernie had 3 years to improve his relationship with black voters.
Mar 04th 2020
497
ceiling! Where’s bignick? Lord Snideness himself.
Mar 04th 2020
499
on twitter calling for warren voters to give up
Mar 04th 2020
505
      I can only imagine, their hate for warren is probably at it’s zenith
Mar 04th 2020
509
Joe Biden did jack shit to win them himself
Mar 04th 2020
501
      Nothing about anything you said would be hilarious.
Mar 04th 2020
504
      doc been sounding straight up crazy lately.
Mar 04th 2020
508
      I've seen how this movie ends. y'all can pretend it'll be any different.
Mar 04th 2020
660
      it's called sarcasm.
Mar 04th 2020
676
      i know bernie stans cant wait to scapegoat black folks.
Mar 04th 2020
507
      lol right. Sanders made *gigantic* efforts to expand his base
Mar 04th 2020
510
      well, if those efforts didn't work, then it's not because they were wron...
Mar 04th 2020
512
      theyre so confused by all of this lol.
Mar 04th 2020
515
      Congrats on your big night.
Mar 04th 2020
516
           I followed the bernie stan playbook
Mar 04th 2020
541
           props to vex for at least being present, all the other rabid BBs on
Mar 04th 2020
572
      serious question for you, doc, etc.
Mar 04th 2020
520
           It's really quite simple to me.
Mar 04th 2020
522
                do party stalwarts = voters?
Mar 04th 2020
645
                     ^^^^ And L-O-L
Mar 04th 2020
656
      i have to ask... are you hoping that biden loses?
Mar 04th 2020
514
           you actually think Biden beats Trump?
Mar 04th 2020
517
                i do... if we as democrats get out act together
Mar 04th 2020
519
                I don't think people understand the movement behind Donald Trump
Mar 04th 2020
527
                     but legions of young voters *didnt* vote
Mar 04th 2020
531
                i dont *want* him to lose tho.
Mar 04th 2020
524
if bernie loses the total delegate lead tonight then its prolly a wrap.
Mar 04th 2020
521
It's a wrap.
Mar 04th 2020
523
politics is a muthafucka mayne.
Mar 04th 2020
528
btw what do you think bernies approach will be going forward?
Mar 04th 2020
534
i think performance in the battleground states should be all we need
Mar 04th 2020
613
takeway: for progressives (and i'm including myself here)
Mar 04th 2020
525
Looking forward to Vex's "report card" post.
Mar 04th 2020
532
you’ve got to be partying tonight
Mar 04th 2020
533
      I've never liked Biden.
Mar 04th 2020
536
this tweet from last year:
Mar 04th 2020
535
In the end, the conventional political wisdom came through.
Mar 04th 2020
538
      true. you cant claim to be the best general election candidate
Mar 04th 2020
540
           Oh and there's another thing...
Mar 04th 2020
542
                yup. biden prolly picks up some votes in the rust belt over 2016
Mar 04th 2020
544
shaun king has basically become a straight up disinformation agent
Mar 04th 2020
537
shaun king warning the establishment not to override the will
Mar 04th 2020
547
dude just got put on blast for making up sources close to beto
Mar 04th 2020
548
You mean the nigga who created a charity to send himself mountain climbi...
Mar 04th 2020
550
LOL @ 'even Maddow'. She and her network been against Sanders
Mar 04th 2020
553
dude is the worst
Mar 04th 2020
559
founder of the young turks cenk uygur currently in 5th place
Mar 04th 2020
543
gotdamn, 5th?
Mar 04th 2020
545
      its a jungle primary
Mar 04th 2020
546
i wonder how michael moore feels about this tweet now:
Mar 04th 2020
549
That line almost seemed like an official campaign talking point.
Mar 04th 2020
563
I hope Sanders sees the writing on the wall and throws in the towel soon
Mar 04th 2020
554
I don't see that happening soon at all
Mar 04th 2020
556
Pretty sure Biden’s people hope she stays in.
Mar 04th 2020
561
i hope he doesnt go scorched earth from here on out.
Mar 04th 2020
612
NGL Biden is decent off the teleprompter. That speech in LA
Mar 04th 2020
555
These debates are going to be good theatre.
Mar 04th 2020
558
      *dead* @ the "sniffing" lmaaoo... omg that is so accurate
Mar 04th 2020
569
      really going to be tough to watch if you're serious about it
Mar 04th 2020
570
      Trump is such an anomaly
Mar 04th 2020
571
           The debates are just sporting events now,
Mar 04th 2020
575
                debates dont change ppls minds. it's GREAT theater though.
Mar 04th 2020
576
                     I think the debates decidedly nipped the Bloomberg campaign in the bud
Mar 04th 2020
593
                          definitely. And they gave kamala and Amy their temporary bumps too
Mar 04th 2020
618
Congrats to Biden on a yuge Super Thursday
Mar 04th 2020
560
yeeeeeeeeeeup.
Mar 04th 2020
582
      Doc nothing but love for you man
Mar 04th 2020
631
           play dumb nigga games, win dumb nigga prizes.
Mar 04th 2020
641
Biden has never been my personal favorite
Mar 04th 2020
562
RE: Biden has never been my personal favorite
Mar 04th 2020
568
Jeff Sessions done. Trump goin in on him like John Goodman in Big Lebows...
Mar 04th 2020
565
Where's reaction?
Mar 04th 2020
566
I was wondering that too, it’s quite a few of them absent. Props
Mar 04th 2020
580
OK but yall were ghost before SC stop it
Mar 04th 2020
583
      Nope. Not true. I know y’all hurting right now so I won’t pile on
Mar 04th 2020
600
      I'll admit to that.
Mar 04th 2020
615
           Respect
Mar 04th 2020
625
RE: Where's reaction?
Mar 04th 2020
609
      well said
Mar 04th 2020
716
      The problem is just how naive and/or disingenuous this all is.
Mar 04th 2020
723
Biden would've easily beaten Trump in 2016 but it was Hillary's "turn".
Mar 04th 2020
567
I think Biden's strategy has paid off.
Mar 04th 2020
573
Bloomberg suspends his campaign & endorses Biden (swipe)
Mar 04th 2020
574
all that money that couldve helped Flint, MI
Mar 04th 2020
all that money that couldve helped Flint, MI
Mar 04th 2020
577
he spent 0.8% of his net worth. EAT THE RICH
Mar 04th 2020
581
at least he's gone.
Mar 04th 2020
585
Half a billion dollars
Mar 04th 2020
586
Corn Pop killer!
Mar 04th 2020
578
Biden v. Trump = Cavs down 3-1 to DURANT Warriors
Mar 04th 2020
579
Actual footage of Trump walking down Dem noms in '16 & '20:
Mar 04th 2020
587
DNC got their wish but Biden stands no chance against Trump
Mar 04th 2020
584
The timing was also bad. The market tanking right before Super Tuesday
Mar 04th 2020
590
well that happened
Mar 04th 2020
588
lol..this is an eg of the current dynamic between the Bernieverse and EW...
Mar 04th 2020
592
      what "very correct" contrasts are you referring to?
Mar 04th 2020
594
      Lol I was just talking about what she was saying in that specific clip
Mar 04th 2020
601
      i dont know what she will do or what she should do
Mar 04th 2020
620
Man, that mostly sucked
Mar 04th 2020
589
well-said:
Mar 04th 2020
591
Most reasonable people on the left will vote for Biden over trump
Mar 04th 2020
606
Man his speech was cribbed out of Bernie's 'Manifesto' (sarcasm)
Mar 04th 2020
596
literally never
Mar 04th 2020
599
      I can't believe the aisle-crossing dixiecrat they used to
Mar 04th 2020
603
           Which makes "tack hard right" a likely general election move
Mar 04th 2020
647
I needed to read this. Thanks.
Mar 04th 2020
610
Enjoy the sauce
Mar 04th 2020
595
I can't believe the democrats endorsed a democrat
Mar 04th 2020
602
      Lolol! True colors spilling out. And it ain’t blue. That’s problem
Mar 04th 2020
605
      They endorsed the only life-long Democrat in the primary?
Mar 04th 2020
621
           yikes!
Mar 04th 2020
626
Saw this in a tweet and I agree 100% that it will happen:
Mar 04th 2020
604
The whole thing sucks
Mar 04th 2020
607
I’m actually starting to believe Biden will win
Mar 04th 2020
611
      Could
Mar 04th 2020
614
      Oh, I’ve approached this election ready for the L
Mar 04th 2020
622
           no snark but you might be the curse
Mar 04th 2020
634
                he switched to amy sunday night too
Mar 04th 2020
635
      What is Obama went on the trail for him for MONTHS?
Mar 04th 2020
616
      That would be cool but like Legs said
Mar 04th 2020
627
      it won't be easy but i think he will win
Mar 04th 2020
619
      Trump refusing to debate him would be a gift to him.
Mar 04th 2020
623
           yeah might actually be a win-win for everyone.
Mar 04th 2020
633
           lol I can’t disagree
Mar 04th 2020
646
shaun king just straight up lying like a trump supporter.
Mar 04th 2020
624
Why do you keep linking me to this guy I would otherwise be unaware of?
Mar 04th 2020
630
fam you know you got twitter notifications turned on for him.
Mar 04th 2020
636
LMAO did you come up with Talcum X?
Mar 04th 2020
632
      lol nah thats his most popular nickname.
Mar 04th 2020
639
           damn I've never seen it
Mar 04th 2020
668
disappointing to see so little self-reflection on the left
Mar 04th 2020
628
will you call for self-reflection on the right when Biden loses?
Mar 04th 2020
637
huh?
Mar 04th 2020
640
Joe Biden is a right wing candidate, objectively.
Mar 04th 2020
642
      RE: Joe Biden is a right wing candidate, objectively.
Mar 04th 2020
649
      because it is.
Mar 04th 2020
669
      a lot of garbage takes from you lately. be well brother.
Mar 04th 2020
666
uh what? Same team man
Mar 04th 2020
653
all FACTS but especially this:
Mar 04th 2020
643
I'm curious what would have happened if Bernie hadn't skipped Selma.
Mar 04th 2020
648
right- compete everywhere
Mar 04th 2020
657
was there any explanation given for bernie skipping selma?
Mar 04th 2020
665
It certainly made me have a lower opinion of him, he proclaimed
Mar 04th 2020
672
disappointing night for ‘progressives’ all around.
Mar 04th 2020
654
so apparently dnc rigged an election and launched a coup against bernie
Mar 04th 2020
629
I live in a battleground state and will be staying home this November :)
Mar 04th 2020
644
Lmao do whatever y’all can to assert ur “power” and rage. It may
Mar 04th 2020
650
that is so cool
Mar 04th 2020
651
But thankfully there are three Bernie skeptics to take your place,
Mar 04th 2020
652
oatmeal or chocolate chip?
Mar 04th 2020
658
Dottie will be impressed
Mar 04th 2020
663
ah yes a conservative super majority on the court will be very good
Mar 04th 2020
686
A lot of people are really partying and gloating ... for Biden?
Mar 04th 2020
655
yes??
Mar 04th 2020
659
There is no chance of beating Trump without the progressive base
Mar 04th 2020
661
      RE: There is no chance of beating Trump without the progressive base
Mar 04th 2020
670
      got it. so 'shut up and turn out' is the olive branch?
Mar 04th 2020
673
           maybe don't look for an olive branch
Mar 04th 2020
674
                No need for an olive branch? Yea you're woefully off on this
Mar 04th 2020
679
                this is about 2016, not 2008. tf you talkin about?
Mar 04th 2020
708
                if niggas wanna throw the country away because they lost a primary
Mar 04th 2020
680
                     Oop
Mar 04th 2020
685
                     I'm down
Mar 04th 2020
687
                     LOL sounds an awful lot like 2016 posturing
Mar 04th 2020
688
                          L O L the irony wow
Mar 04th 2020
691
                          the lack of self awareness is astounding fam.
Mar 04th 2020
694
                          I'm gonna type it here, so you niggas see it:
Mar 04th 2020
702
                               yes, doc
Mar 04th 2020
710
                               lol at all this.... its all just feelings and hot takes
Mar 04th 2020
717
                          a lot of yall want biden to lose just so you can be right.
Mar 04th 2020
696
                               w/ the way some of you are talking, you would think Hillary won
Mar 04th 2020
698
                               nobody here is a biden or hillary fan.
Mar 04th 2020
703
                                    we flat out disagree on who is the "worse" option
Mar 04th 2020
705
                                         i meant worse option as in whoever is the nominee vs trump.
Mar 04th 2020
707
                               talk about lack of self-awareness.
Mar 04th 2020
706
                                    turn off the young turks.
Mar 04th 2020
713
      and there's no chance Bernie beats Trump without the moderates
Mar 04th 2020
684
           Yes because the moderates swayed the 2016 gen. election
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           Clinton lost because she is/was very unlikable
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           in that scenario, do you believe they'd give up the chance to oust Trump...
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           Seems like there are progressives/Bernie Bros that would...
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           thanks for being mature good brother.
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this isn't about Biden.
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Yup.
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      if that's where the country ends up being, that's fine.
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      America is in rapid decline
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      no joke that sounds amazing and is what most of us want
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           well said.
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           this was a much needed dose of medicine.
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lol my how the tables have turned. When Biden is, by you all’s own
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honestly bernie stans earned this.
Mar 04th 2020
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theyre like patriots fans without any rings.
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      dead
Mar 04th 2020
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      Biden on Super Tuesday was like the Lebron-era Heat
Mar 04th 2020
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      Is that the best super-team analogy?
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           Interesting. I would have to ask my die-hard Hakeem fan friend
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      damn
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jim clyburn saved the country from socialism.
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lol!
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^ scared of that socialist high literacy producing high-info voters lol
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You can't even wait for a day?
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SURPRISE all the people bernie said sucked...teamed up against him!
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HRC 2.0
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Wow. You’re really bad at this
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Did we discuss Mrs Biden stepping up to defend her man?
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Did we discuss Mrs Biden stepping up to defend her dad?
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had to ask the vegan homie what "Let Dairy Die" was
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aoc with some much needed advice.
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Yes AOC! The women associated with sanders do him and their
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they are phenomenal.
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repubs gotta be thankful as fuck for her age
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i literally looked up her age last night trying to figure out when...
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do you think she could win a statewide race in ny?
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      that's a reeq question, man
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           lol nah too far left imo.
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                I think you may be right. Howie Hawkins (Green co-founder) has run for
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                apparently he is running for president now too lol.
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                     Oh I know lol. I went down a rabbit hole one day. He's pretty cool tbh.
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                gotcha. guess i'm going largely off the right's obsession with her
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she may ultimately be the enduring legacy of sanders' work
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i think the progressive movement as its defined by bernie is receding.
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perfect. The left has to win more voters
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biden won 60% of voters who didnt vote in 2016 primary.
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did a lot of people stay home in 2016 because they didnt like clinton?
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it sure looks like it.
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probably lack of actual concern over Trump
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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to be fair last time the result was pretty obvious
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Another one
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      a lot of bubble bursting and narrative scrambling.
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1. "Voted early yesterday "
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I’ll say it was more crowded than I’d seen it there in years. Not Nov 2008 crowded (that had a line around the block), but certainly more crowded than the 2016 primaries or even the 2018 midterms. And those years Californians had stuff to vote on down ballot.

I don’t know if you can project out from just Alameda County on a Saturday afternoon, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a pretty large turnout this time around.

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>I’ll say it was more crowded than I’d seen it there in
>years. Not Nov 2008 crowded (that had a line around the
>block), but certainly more crowded than the 2016 primaries or
>even the 2018 midterms. And those years Californians had stuff
>to vote on down ballot.
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>I don’t know if you can project out from just Alameda County
>on a Saturday afternoon, but I wouldn’t be surprised if
>there’s a pretty large turnout this time around.

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2. "powerful gesture of solidarity for the sanders campaign ahead of tuesday"
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A Step Away From Fascism and 'Toward a Brighter More Just Future': 100+ Black Writers and Scholars Endorse Bernie Sanders


"When so much is at stake, not only for Black people but for all people, and all life on the planet, we feel it imperative that we step outside of our classrooms and go beyond our campuses, to speak out on the current presidential election."

by Jon Queally, staff writer


Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) marches with supporters to early vote on February 27, 2020 at Winston-Salem State University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Sanders continues to seek support for the Democratic nomination ahead of Super Tuesday. (Photo: Brian Blanco/Getty Images)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) marches with supporters to early vote on February 27, 2020 at Winston-Salem State University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Sanders continues to seek support for the Democratic nomination ahead of Super Tuesday. (Photo: Brian Blanco/Getty Images)

As South Carolina voters headed to the primary polls and just three days before Super Tuesday, more than 100 black academics, writers, and educators issued a joint letter on Saturday endorsing Sen. Bernie Sanders as they argued the election of the next president "will determine the future trajectory of this country and the world."

"We live in perilous but promising times. What we do or don't do in 2020 in the electoral arena, and beyond, will determine the future trajectory of this country and the world. We invite you to stand with us and support the Bernie Sanders campaign, as one step away from the precipice of fascism and toward a brighter more just future."
"A Sanders presidency would go a long way toward creating a safer and more just world," the endorsment letter states. "The commitment to free college education, the elimination of student debt which so many of our students suffer under, and the enfranchisement of incarcerated citizens, are only some of the reasons we have come to this conclusion."

The academics—including Princeton University's Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Temple University's Marc Lamont Hill, Harvard University's Elizabeth Hinton, and Darrick Hamilton of Ohio State University—also noted Sanders support of a commission to study reparations for slavery and heralded his "staunch commitment to the needs of poor and working people over the course of his career" as key reasons to back his candidacy.

"In this crucible year of 2020, when so much is at stake, not only for Black people but for all people, and all life on the planet," the letter states, "we feel it imperative that we step outside of our classrooms and go beyond our campuses, to speak out on the current presidential election."

"We invite you," it continued, "to stand with us and support the Bernie Sanders campaign, as one step away from the precipice of fascism and toward a brighter more just future."

The letter arrived as voters in South Carolina headed to the polls—a state with the largest population of black voters so far this primary season—and just three days before 14 states vote on Super Tuesday next week.

As Common Dreams reported Wednesday, the latest Reuters/Ipsos national poll showed Sanders leading the Democratic primary field among black voters, with 26% who said they support Sanders. That compared to 21% for Michael Bloomberg, 20% for Joe Biden, and 14% who said they were not sure.

Read the full letter and the list of signatories below:

We are Black scholars, writers and educators whose careers have been devoted to uncovering, analyzing, telling the stories, and uplifting the cultures of African Americans and peoples of the African Diaspora. We are also deeply invested in the freedom of our people and the subjects of our research. In this crucible year of 2020, when so much is at stake, not only for Black people but for all people, and all life on the planet, we feel it imperative that we step outside of our classrooms and go beyond our campuses, to speak out on the current presidential election.

After much research and reflection we have concluded that while imperfect, as we all are, Bernie Sanders, the politics he advocates, the consistent track record he demonstrates, and the powerful policy changes he has outlined, if elected, would make the most far-reaching and positive impact on the lives and condition of Black people, and all people in the United States. A Sanders presidency would go a long way toward creating a safer and more just world. The commitment to free college education, the elimination of student debt which so many of our students suffer under, and the enfranchisement of incarcerated citizens, are only some of the reasons we have come to this conclusion. His support of a commission to study reparations for slavery is another reason for our decision, as well as his staunch commitment to the needs of poor and working people over the course of his career.

At the same time we respect our friends and colleagues that have chosen the other progressive candidate in the race, Elizabeth Warren, and if she wins the primary, we will support her too. Still, we feel it is important to state flatly that we feel a Sanders campaign can win and a Sanders presidency would be a game changer for the people and communities of which we are a part.

While we are not all democratic socialists, we will not be red baited to reject and vilify Bernie Sanders' views. In fact there is a long and strong tradition of Black socialists in the United States and globally that have fought for racial and economic justice, from the great scholar and intellectual, W.E.B. DuBois to labor leader, A. Philip Randolph to legendary civil rights organizer, Ella Baker. So, we see Sanders’ commitment to challenging the ravages of racial capitalism as connected to an ongoing and ideologically diverse Black Freedom Movement.

We live in perilous but promising times. What we do or don't do in 2020 in the electoral arena, and beyond, will determine the future trajectory of this country and the world. We invite you to stand with us and support the Bernie Sanders campaign, as one step away from the precipice of fascism and toward a brighter more just future.

Note: Titles and institutional affiliations are listed for identification purposes only and in no way reflect any institutional endorsement whatsoever. Signers are acting in their capacity as private citizens.

Beatrice J. Adams, Doctoral candidate, History, Rutgers Unviersity
Nikol G. Alexander-Floyd, J.D., Ph.D., Associate Professor, Rutgers University
Laylah Ali, Professor of Art, Williams College
Abdul Alkalimat, Professor Emeritus, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Sam Anderson, Center for the Advancement of Black Education
Herman L. Bennett, Professor of History at the Graduate Center, City University of New York
Carwil Bjork-James, Associate Professor, Vanderbilt University
Eduardo Bonilla-Silva, Professor, Sociology, Duke University
Carole Boyce Davies, Professor of English and Africana Studies, Cornell University
Lisa Brock, Associate Professor of History, Kalamazoo College
Elsa Barkley Brown, Associate Professor of History and Women's Studies, University of Maryland College Park
Nicole A. Burrowes, Assistant Professor, African and African Diaspora Studies Department, University of Texas, Austin
Linda E. Carty, Associate Professor, African American Studies, Syracuse University
Rosa Clemente, Professor, Independent Journalist, Producer
Matthew Countryman, Associate Professor, Departments of History and American Culture University of Michigan
Dana-Ain Davis, Professor, City University of New York
Michael Dawson, John D. MacArthur Professor of Political Science and the College, University of Chicago
Frank Deale, Professor of Law, City University of New York Law School
Ajamu Amiri Dillahunt, Ph.D. Student, Michigan State University
James Counts Early, Former Assistant Secretary for Education and Public Service Smithsonian Institution
Erica R. Edwards, Associate Professor of English, Rutgers University-New Brunswick
Ashley D. Farmer Ph.D., Assistant Professor, History & African & African Diaspora Studies, University of Texas-Austin
Crystal N. Feimster, Professor, Yale University, African American Studies Department American Studies Program, History Department, and Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Program
Jonathan Fenderson, Assistant Professor of African & African-American Studies at Washington University in St. Louis and Associate Editor, The Black Scholar
Johanna Fernández, PhD, Department of History, Baruch College, City University of New York
Bill Fletcher Jr., Independent Scholar and Author, Executive Editor, Global African Worker
Tyrone Forman, Professor, African American Studies and Sociology, University of Illinois at Chicago
Paul Foster, MPA, Emerita Clinical Co-ordinator, Harlem Physician Assistant Program, Sophie Davis School of Biomedical Education, CCNY
Olubukola Gbadegesin, Associate Professor, African American Studies and Art History, Saint Louis University
Adom Getachew, Neubauer Family Assistant Professor of Political Science and the College, University of Chicago
Keedra Gibba, Teacher of History and Social Studies, Francis W. Parker School, Chicago
Dayo Gore, Professor, Ethnic Studies and Critical Gender Studies, University of California, San Diego
Cecilia A. Green, Associate Professor of Sociology, Syracuse University
Josh Guild, Associate Professor of History and African American Studies, Princeton University
Sarah Haley, Associate Professor, University of California, Los Angeles
Darrick Hamilton, Professor and Director, Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at The Ohio State University
Michael G. Hanchard, Gustave C. Kuemmerle Professor and Chair of the Department of Africana Studies, University of Pennsylvania
Diane Harriford, Professor, Department of Sociology, Vassar College
Cheryl I. Harris, Professor, University of California, Los Angeles
Faye V. Harrison, Professor of African American Studies and Anthropology, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Renee Camille Hatcher, Assistant Professor of Law, John Marshall, University of Illinois at Chicago
Kelly Lytle Hernandez, Professor and Thomas E. Lifka Chair in History, University of California, Los Angeles
Marc Lamont Hill, Professor and the Steve Charles Chair in Media, Cities and Solutions, College of Media and Education, Temple University
Elizabeth Hinton, Professor of History and African and African American Studies, Harvard University
Gerald Horne, Moores Professor of History and African American Studies, University of Houston
Zenzele Isoke, Gender, Women & Sexuality Studies, University of Minnesota
Lynette A. Jackson, Associate Professor, Gender and Women’s Studies and Black Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago
Joy James, Ebenzer Fitch Professor of the Humanities, Williams College
Destin Jenkins, Assistant Professor of History, University of Chicago
Ryan Cecil Jobson, Neubauer Family Assistant Professor, Anthropology, University of Chicago
Cheryl Johnson-Odim, Ph.D., Provost Emerita and Professor of History, Dominican University, Illinois
Tracey Johnson, Ph.D. candidate, Rutgers University
Robin D.G. Kelley, Distinguished Professor and Gary B. Nash Endowed Chair in U.S. History, University of California, Los Angeles
Ainsley LeSure, Assistant Professor of Politics, Black Studies Advisory Council, Occidental College
La TaSha Levy, Assistant Professor of American Ethnic Studies, University of Washington-Seattle
R. L’Heureux Lewis-McCoy, Associate Professor, New York University
Toussaint Losier, Assistant Professor, University of Massachusetts – Amherst
Sheldon Bernard Lyke, Assistant Professor at Northern Kentucky University Chase College of Law
Minkah Makalani, Director of the John L. Warfield Center for African and African American Studies, University of Texas at Austin
Austin McCoy, Assistant Professor of History, Auburn University
Deborah E. McDowell, Alice Griffin Professor of English, Director, Carter G. Woodson Institute, University of Virginia
Erik S. McDuffie, Associate Professor, Department of African American Studies, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Mireille Miller-Young, Associate Professor, Feminist Studies, University of California, Santa Barbara
Quincy T. Mills, Associate Professor of History, University of Maryland, College Park
Leith Mullings, Distinguished Professor of Anthropology Emerita, Graduate Center, City University of New York
Donna Murch, Associate Professor of History, Rutgers University
Linda Rae Murray, M.D., MPH, Adjunct Assistant Professor, School of Public Health, University of Illinois at Chicago
Premilla Nadasen, Professor of History, Barnard College, and President of the National Women’s Studies Association (2018 -2020)
Celia E. Naylor, Associate Professor of History and Africana Studies, Barnard College, Columbia University
Rosemary Ndubuizu, Ph.D., Interdisciplinary Scholar, Washington, D.C.
Mark Anthony Neal, James B. Duke Distinguished Professor of African American Studies, Duke University
Prexy Rozell Nesbitt, Presidential Fellow, Chapman University
Margo Okazawa-Rey, Barbara Lee Distinguished Chair, Mills College & Professor Emerita, San Francisco State University
James Padilioni, Jr, Ph.D., Postdoctoral Fellow and Visiting Assistant Professor of Religion, Swarthmore College
Melina Pappademos, Associate Professor of History and Africana Studies, University of Connecticut
Kaneesha Cherelle Parsard, Provost’s Postdoctoral Fellow, English, University of Chicago
Tianna S. Paschel, Associate Professor, University of California, Berkeley
Earl Picard, Independent Scholar, Atlanta, Georgia
Steven C. Pitts, UC Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education
Sherie M. Randolph, Associate Professor of History, Georgia Institute of Technology
Barbara Ransby, Distinguished Professor, African American Studies, Gender and Women’s Studies and History, University of Illinois at Chicago
Ismail Rashid, Professor of History, Vassar College
Aisha Ray, Professor Emerita, Erikson Institute
Shana L. Redmond, Professor, University of California, Los Angeles
Russell Rickford, Associate Professor of History, Cornell University
J. T. Roan, Assistant Professor of African American Studies, School of Transformation, Arizona State University
Francesca T. Royster, Professor, DePaul University
Tanya L. Saunders, Associate Professor, Center for Latin American Studies, University of Florida
Kesho Yvonne Scott, Professor Emerita, Grinnell College
Barbara Smith, Independent Scholar, Albany, New York
Lester Spence, Professor of Political Science and Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University
Robyn C. Spencer, Associate Professor, Lehman College, City University of New York
David Stovall, Professor, Black Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago
Stacey Sutton, Assistant Professor, Urban Planning & Policy, University of Illinois at Chicago
Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Assistant Professor, Department of African American Studies, Princeton University
Ula Y. Taylor, Professor of African American Studies, University of California, Berkeley
Alia R. Tyner-Mullings, Associate Professor, Sociology, Guttman Community College, City University of New York
Melissa M. Valle, Assistant Professor, Sociology and African American Studies, Rutgers University-Newark
Stephen Ward, Department of Afroamerican & African Studies (DAAS), Residential College, University of Michigan
Jakobi Williams, Ruth N. Halls Associate Professor, Indiana University
Naomi R. Williams, PhD, Assistant Professor, Rutgers University
Hazel Carby, Charles C & Dorathea S Dilley Professor of African American Studies & American Studies at Yale University.
George Yancy, Samuel Candler Dobbs Professor of Philosophy, Emory University
Jasmine K. Syedullah, Assistant Professor of Africana Studies, Vassar College

  

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11. "This is one of the more impressive collective endorsements I've ever see..."
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Really is great to see - especially with how thoughtfully presented the argument for Sanders is.

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3. "If polling is anywhere near accurate, Bernard should have a big day. "
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If he comes out of Tuesday the clear front-runner and Warren is still in distant 4th, her supporters are going to have to stop lying to themselves.

  

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7. "Funny, I didn’t notice any of ur replies in the SC prim post after"
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The results. Yet here u are lol

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15. "? All the polling indicated he would be 2nd, and he was. "
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And that still doesn't change the reality. So here we are.

  

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19. "He was crushed, y’all thought it would be close .Granny and dem don’..."
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Fuck with dude! And granny and dem vote errytime!

What’s he gonna do to bring Black ppl at large behind his banner? Deploying Nina Turner didn’t work

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33. "Meanwhile, he’s polling ahead in CA, TX , WI. Shrug. "
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78. "We’ll see! Most of that polling was pre SC and pre Mayor Pete’s exit..."
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But polls aren’t the issue! How is he going to unit the party around him and where are these new voters he promised?

If I have to settle for Bernie as the nom I want him to win, yet 50-60 percent of dem voters so far have NOT chosen him

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49. "unfortunately we have to (re: warren)"
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I still think she is the strongest presidential candidate on the field and if she's still on the ballot in MD, I still intend to vote for her.

but unless she performs really well on Tuesday, I am willing to accept that she really does not have a path to the nomination :o(
In that case then, I prefer Biden over Bernie.
But as with all things, we shall see.

I will say though, I am getting less and less excited about the nov election. I intend to vote because anyone but the idiot-in-charge
but from where we started? This process has been disappointing.

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4. "Popular vote totals between Bernie and Biden Super Tuesday"
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With Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina the popular vote total is:

Sanders: 233,989
Biden: 307,490


Those two numbers will appear small after polls close on Wednesday - actual states where people actually live are going to vote.

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https://twitter.com/scottdetrow/status/1233541632915582977

Right now, commemoration events in Selma on Sunday are NOT on Bernie Sanders’ public schedule. Most other candidates will be there. Sanders has done these events in the past and has a packed cross-country schedule, but given his constant Civil Rights call-outs that’s notable.

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He wrote the South off the last time he ran.

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23. "lol Sanders is either 1st or a close 2nd with Black voters nationally"
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Last week, the Reuters-Ipsos poll found Sanders besting Biden by three points nationally among black voters. An NBC-Wall Street Journal poll found Biden up two among black voters, while the Hill/HarrisX poll had Sanders up nine. A Morning Consult survey recently found Sanders beating Biden by five among all black primary voters, and thumping him by a 3-1 margin among black voters under 45.

Also - Sanders got 30% of the Black vote in Nevada - finishing a very close second to Biden there. He is dominating the young Black vote and polls very well with Black voters from more progressive regions of the country.

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89. "So we can trust NBC and Wallstreet when it's not a negative story"
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about Bernie.

>Last week, the Reuters-Ipsos poll found Sanders besting Biden
>by three points nationally among black voters. An NBC-Wall
>Street Journal poll found Biden up two among black voters,
>while the Hill/HarrisX poll had Sanders up nine. A Morning
>Consult survey recently found Sanders beating Biden by five
>among all black primary voters, and thumping him by a 3-1
>margin among black voters under 45.
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>Also - Sanders got 30% of the Black vote in Nevada - finishing
>a very close second to Biden there. He is dominating the
>young Black vote and polls very well with Black voters from
>more progressive regions of the country.
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Well Bernie should take it all tomorrow according to this, put out your prediction with specifics for Super Tuesday.

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10. "Candidates have to be strategic in this very limited window of time"
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There are many competitive contests with tight races on Super Tuesday (Virginia, Mass., Minnesota, North Carolina, Texas to name a few) - but Alabama isn't one of them. It's a state that shares similar demography to South Carolina - and Biden's the inevitable victor there. Sanders should be spending as much time as possible in Virginia, Texas, Mass. & North Carolina.

  

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16. "All the other candidates showed up, even the one who dropped out."
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>There are many competitive contests with tight races on Super
>Tuesday (Virginia, Mass., Minnesota, North Carolina, Texas to
>name a few) - but Alabama isn't one of them. It's a state
>that shares similar demography to South Carolina - and Biden's
>the inevitable victor there. Sanders should be spending as
>much time as possible in Virginia, Texas, Mass. & North
>Carolina.

The other candidates in the race need those states more than he does.

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6. "Sanders-linked group entered into racial discrimination NDA"
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Sanders-linked group entered into racial discrimination NDA
By BRIAN SLODYSKO and WILL WEISSERT
February 28, 2020


WASHINGTON (AP) — A political advocacy group founded by Bernie Sanders entered into a nondisclosure agreement with an African American political consultant that bars her from discussing a lawsuit alleging racial discrimination at the organization and the Vermont senator’s 2016 presidential campaign.

The consultant, Tezlyn Figaro, confirmed the existence of the nondisclosure agreement to The Associated Press without providing additional details.

The deal is tied to a 2019 lawsuit in which Figaro said she was fired from the Sanders-created political group Our Revolution a year earlier due to her race and in “retaliation for complaining about the organization’s treatment towards her and African-Americans.” The lawsuit was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount of money. Though the lawsuit was aimed at Our Revolution, it included broad criticism of Sanders’ campaign, arguing an all-white leadership staff “was accused of racism” by black staffers and failed to engage black voters.

Nondisclosure agreements, or NDAs, have become common in presidential campaigns and political organizations in recent years as tools to guard against the release of private data, strategic conversations or other proprietary information. But such deals have become increasingly controversial as people alleging that they’re victims of sexual harassment and misconduct or, in Figaro’s case, racial discrimination have said they’re prevented from publicly sharing their stories.

Billionaire Mike Bloomberg, one of Sanders’ Democratic presidential race rivals, has faced criticism for the use of nondisclosure agreements at his company in cases related to sexual harassment. The former New York mayor has said he’s willing to release three women from nondisclosure agreements related to comments he was accused of making in the past.

Sanders has acknowledged the mistreatment of women and minorities who worked on his 2016 campaign, and his advisers say they’ve taken corrective measures for his second run. Now the front-runner for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, Sanders frequently says he is building a “multiracial, multi-generational movement” that will appeal to the broad coalition needed to win the primary and defeat President Donald Trump.

But legal experts say that argument could be undermined by a nondisclosure agreement that prevents a woman of color who has criticized Sanders’ record on race from talking about her experience.

“Anyone running for the presidency should be accountable to the electorate, and we should have access to the full set of information,” said Debra S. Katz, a prominent employment attorney in Washington who has donated to Elizabeth Warren’s campaign. “If the allegations are about his campaign and running a racist operation, he should direct this organization to let her out of those non-disparagement obligations and talk about it.”

Figaro was the director of racial justice for Sanders’ 2016 campaign, then worked on black outreach issues for Our Revolution. According to federal court records, her case against Our Revolution was settled in July 2019 for an undisclosed amount.

Figaro confirmed the existence of the NDA but declined to comment further. Her attorney, Anthony J. Hall, said he could not comment on the terms of the settlement.

A spokesman for Our Revolution did not respond to multiple requests for comment. The Sanders campaign said it couldn’t comment on the specifics of the case, arguing the campaign can’t legally have insight into the activities of Our Revolution.

In a statement, Sanders campaign spokeswoman Sarah Ford said, “We oppose using NDAs to silence the victims of toxic workplace issues.”

After his effort to win the 2016 Democratic nomination failed, Sanders founded Our Revolution to keep up the momentum from the campaign. The group has employed current and former Sanders presidential staffers but operates independently from his campaign, though it has raised millions of dollars to support his current bid.

Figaro’s roughly yearlong tenure at Our Revolution was tumultuous.

She was brought on by former Our Revolution President Nina Turner, a top Sanders surrogate who is now national co-chair of his 2020 campaign. When Turner tried to make Figaro Our Revolution’s chief of staff, board members objected.

Past comments Figaro made about immigration on Twitter and as a pundit on Fox News quickly surfaced and drew rebuke, with critics and some Our Revolution staffers saying that they were anti-immigrant.

“If AMERICAN black folks can go to jail when they break the law then certainly so can an illegal immigrant,” she said in one tweet.

“U r being distracted abt ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS meanwhile more blacks are under prison/parole control in in 2010 than were enslaved in 1850,” she wrote in another.

Figaro, who had long worked as a consultant to Turner, publicly apologized but was fired. Our Revolution was aware of her past comments when she was hired, according to her lawsuit. Turner didn’t respond to a request for comment.

In the past, Figaro defended herself by noting that her comments echoed what Sanders has previously said.

“If poverty is increasing and if wages are going down, I don’t know why we need millions of people to be coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages than American workers and drive wages down even lower than they are now,” Sanders said in a 2007 television interview explaining why he opposed a bipartisan immigration bill.

Sanders’ campaign says its key to victory in the 2020 Democratic primary and general election is to dramatically grow the electorate, appealing to working-class Americans and minorities who have often felt disillusioned with the political system.

Sanders’ campaign manager, Faiz Shakir, is the first Muslim American to lead a presidential campaign. Sanders likens his movement to the civil rights struggle, and he often mentions his own activist past, including getting arrested during protests decrying racism while at the University of Chicago in the 1960s. He has worked hard to woo minority groups, which has energized many young voters.

But in 2016, black staffers who were hired by Sanders to conduct African American outreach say the campaign did not take them seriously. Minority staffers said they were sent to do other tasks, like driving people around, instead of courting the black voters Sanders said he wanted to win.

“People will say it’s not a racial issue,” said John Solomon, who was based in Atlanta for the 2016 campaign and said he was sometimes assigned responsibilities that were outside of his job description. “But if I’m hired to gain support from African Americans and you go direct me to do something other than reach out to the African American community, what are we doing?”

After the black outreach team booked several successful events, including a rally at historically black Morehouse College in Atlanta, resources dwindled and black outreach staffers say Sanders’ campaign began brushing them off.

His campaign has acknowledged Sanders’ past failings and said it is trying to right them now.

Sanders has invested heavily in Spanish-language television advertising and organized dozens of events meant to appeal to Hispanic voters, including soccer tournaments for volunteers in Iowa and Texas and a town hall in Spanish led by New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in Nevada. His backers affectionately call him “Tio” (Uncle) Bernie.

His campaign says that outreach helped him appeal to minorities who participated in satellite caucuses in Iowa and drove his win in Nevada decisively last weekend. He has said he can win Saturday’s Democratic primary in South Carolina, where the support of black voters is crucial.

But Solomon said the existence of Figaro’s nondisclosure agreement reinforces his experience on the 2016 campaign.

“I know he wants to move past this, but I feel that he still has some work to do,” Solomon said.

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9. "Bernie should be the big winner on Tuesday and thus get the"
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Nom. I’m ready for him to emerge as the clear front runner (not based on the minuscule amount of delegates from Iowa, NH and Nevada) so I can start seeing how he is going to unite the party Behind him and actually beat trump

So far his unchanging rhetoric doesn’t convince me he can do that, it may warm his nutzo supporters hearts but it’s not a message of consensus building

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13. "He can't unite the party. "
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If he gets the nom we may as well gift wrap Trump another term.

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18. "He already has. He has the deepest, broadest coalition on the left. "
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If you want to win, he's the nominee.

  

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Percent he got in three of the four first contest doesn’t exactly read as deep or broad to me, but ok! If u say so

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32. "Math ain’t your friend, huh? "
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80. "no I think it’s not urs. His numbers so far don’t demonstrate broad "
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Support. Deep maybe, as I said before many of u lunatics will follow him into a cauldron of acid if he convinces u it’s part of his purity test

But the majority of us remain unconvinced, convince us! Thanks

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20. "i don’t think he can either. I was watching a lot of clips of White fo..."
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Saying they wouldn’t vote for him, some who voted for trump in 16 but said they regretted it but will vote for him again if it’s between him and sanders

I really hope he can, if he gets the nom(which looks likely) I want him to win

If he can’t win those ppl over I need to see all these new voters he is bringing to the table, I haven’t seen them yet...AT ALL

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197. "this expectation is odd to me at this point"
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bc let's be honest...

none of the dems can unite the dems

it's too splintered...the divide between the far left and the moderates is basically not much different than the far left and the far right at this point

bernie can't unite, biden can't, none of the rest have the numbers to do more than them in that area...

the only person that can even do that at this point is...Trump

so yea, he does appeal across more demographics

bernie might not have all of the black vote but yts seem to have preferred Pete to Biden lol

Warren is still my fav and i think a lot of her missteps are good calculus but that she just never had a strong enough foundation to topple bernie...depending on how things look...i may still vote for warren so but her aiming for a brokered convention is basically not reading the writing on the wall...she may as well just endorse biden if that's the strategy she wants to take



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17. "Buttigieg drops out "
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Wow - pretty surprising. He had to miss some events because of illness - but he probably bowed out realizing he was not able to grow his base of support. Definitely overachieved and has a lot to be proud of. Wouldn’t be surprised if he worked a deal with Biden with the convention in mind.

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22. "As like the only person rooting for him on here,,"
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I guess I should respond lol

Yall hate him, I know. But imagine if MSM was reporting this about Bernie out of nowhere? You'd be taken aback and want a safe space to vent. So bear with me on this at minimum as a fellow politics junkie lol.


I'm... a bit shocked, heartbroken, but also angry.


-Shocked, because I was starting to worry this might happen.. but def after ST. Furthermore, this was released kind of shadily... like they're still actively hosting a fundraising drive, posted that memo detailing what they viewed as a path to the nom, and were promoting a rally in TX tonight plus one in MI on ST. PLUS no official word from his campaign or any comms staff about it on twitter.. like at least Steyer put up a tweet. It's just very, very, unlike the campaign and leads me to believe that this decision came from HIGH fucking up. Like, a call directly from Obama or perhaps through Carter, who Pete met with this morning (which I'll come back to later about why this angers me). It may have also been the Dem estab that leaked to the media ahead of the campaign too, to make it binding.

-Heartbroken.. largely because I truly do believe he was the best candidate in terms of his specific platform, character, and the fact that I don't think Boomers should be trusted to drive themselves long distances anymore talk more of holding elected office (lol). I was also excited for someone from my generation to finally step up and go for this level of leadership. Unlike many, I *don't* believe decades stewing in DC is necessarily a good thing, I think Biden and Bernie's obvious cognitive decline and cardiovascular issues (respectively) are disqualifying, and I just personally think our generation is a lot smarter and better adapted to modern times to forge a new path ahead. His messaging and platform resonated with me A LOT.

-Angry for 2 main reasons:
-1, I'm fucking sick of how the Dem establishment ALWAYS does him like this lol. When he ran for DNC chair, he got pressured from the left (directly from Bernie, for Keith Ellison) AND Center (directly from Obama, for Tom Perez) to drop out so those 2 could duke it out on the next ballot. He dropped out immediately. He spent time since helping out Dems in other races and, in general, has simply been a good Dem. The idea of them pulling that shit on him again disgusts me. I don't think they have a good read on shit (as per '16), and I'm not confident that either Biden or Bernie would win against 45 ( which I vent about here
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13367410&mesg_id=13367410&page=2#13368575).

-2, the level of homophobia and general dehumanization that was thrown at this man was truly disgusting. He received death threats, calls to be hung. The first response under one of the MSM tweets about this was someone calling him a fa**ot. It was a lot. And frustrating since he intentionally ran one of the most positive campaigns this cycle (https://peteforamerica.com/rules-of-the-road/). It was very disappointing/discouraging to see, but their ongoing moral leadership in that regard was another draw to the campaign.

So ya. End rant. Onward I guess. I'll still follow the blow by blow, but mostly just for the stats and the odd policy/politics critiques as I've been doing lol.

  

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28. "lol! "
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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41. "dude sucked and his politics sucked"
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he couldn't win statewide in indiana, the idea he could pull together people nationally was always bullshit.

his whole steez is fake, and because he was selling that "I'm a midwesterner, I know what's up in real america" bullshit it was fucking annoying


klobuchar is the same way, but I don't actually mind when a politician is openly a snake, because that's kinda what you need to be,

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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47. "i feel for you"
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him dropping out definitely shocked me. i do think something happened behind the scenes. im guessing he lost some financial support to biden and was pretty much told he was on his own if he kept going.

it would have been good to see him pick up steam after iowa and new hampshire. im sure we havent heard the last of him though.

  

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71. "lol thx"
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86. "ive mostly come to terms with warren being done"
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i kind of dont want her to get my hopes up tomorrow lol just bring on bernie vs biden

  

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And he definitely has a future ahead of him and as gay man I’m proud of what he accomplished and relieved that he had significant support

For me, I was initially excited about him but once that presser with the family of the unarmed man who was murdered was shown and the subsequent info revealed about how the police force in south bend became more white under his leadership, I was turned off. If the Black folks that know you best aren’t sold then I can’t really get behind it.

But he had a good, pragmatic message and is obviously very politically savvy. He will be stronger in whatever he does next, and I did think he made a sincere (albeit late) effort to be more in tune with Black folks and our unique issues in this country.

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24. "that should be the nail in the coffin for ia/nh prominence."
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the delegate leader from the 1st 2 states is largely nonviable and finished after the next 2.

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poll spiking and general incomptence. death knell of caucusing.

the order don't matter.

  

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30. "youre really riding hard for keeping iowa 1st huh? lol."
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not sure why youre splitting hairs here but...

lets say pete wasnt the leader and was just a close top 2. does that make the early state dissonance any less damning?

candidates pour millions of dollars into airwaves, ground game, and party building in a state with very little electoral/delegate consequence...but a ton of narrative/momentum consequence. and the winner or 2nd place finisher might be completely out of the race after only 2 states with actual non white populations start voting.

how does a self-styled black progressive defend giving a 90% white state undue influence over the nomination process for a party thats 40% non white?



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>how does a self-styled black progressive defend giving a 90%
>white state undue influence over the nomination process for a
>party thats 40% non white?

because being progressive means that you don't get sucked into vacuous check box diversity "politics" at the cost of undoing democracy. might as well have California go first if we're really playing those games. then motherfuckers would be like "YOU LET THOSE OVERPOPULATED STATES ON THE COAST..."

getting rid of undemocratic norms like the caucus method, and the electoral college are more relevant than the racial makeup of a state voting. votes > all.

Iowa at least has a chance (in current day) of voting Democratic in the general (they have in winning Democratic contests). not true for those states in the deep South where most of the Democratic voters are Black, somehow. 2008 was the only time that happened.

move to eliminate the electoral college and it becomes a moot point.

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42. "diversity politics undoing democracy? really?"
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>because being progressive means that you don't get sucked into
>vacuous check box diversity "politics" at the cost of undoing
>democracy. might as well have California go first if we're
>really playing those games. then motherfuckers would be like
>"YOU LET THOSE OVERPOPULATED STATES ON THE COAST..."

yeah the same motherfuckers who relegate/reduce things to 'check box diversity politics'. im honestly surprised to see you take that approach. are you gonna blame cancel culture and woke sjw's next?

we are talking about simply moving other states on to the same day. not getting rid of iowa entirely. why is that so threatening to you and how is democracy being undone? clue me in.


>Iowa at least has a chance (in current day) of voting
>Democratic in the general (they have in winning Democratic
>contests). not true for those states in the deep South where
>most of the Democratic voters are Black, somehow. 2008 was the
>only time that happened.
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>move to eliminate the electoral college and it becomes a moot
>point.

i mean...youre advocating for the very effect/intent of the electoral college tho. giving undue political representation to a rural/white minority.

dems cant change the electoral college. they can change their nomination process to better reflect the reality of their party tho.

youre also ignoring the effect that the nominee has on downballot races/candidates in those deep south states. the top of the ticket is consequential to governor, senate, house, state legislature, etc wins/loses in a lot of them. im not sure why you would choose to minimize the black voices in those states simply because a dem prez wouldnt likely win.

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the proposed alternative is just doing IA, NH, NV, SC all on the same day so you can get a broader swath all at once and therefore minimize the noise of very specific demographics...we'd have weeks free now if Pete, Klo, Steyer, and friends all got out the way sooner than super tuesday and they won't get that unsustainable media bump that really only serves to confuse voters on down the line


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29. "I'd like to see him boot Pence out the VP mansion"
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25. "I'm pessimistic about VA esp. if this is a Biden/Bernie race"
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that's Federal Government central. you would think someone ostensibly campaigning on more federal government would run away with it, but Biden represents the old guard that's become associated with the federal government pre-Trump.

they're gonna John Kerry this shit.

  

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31. "maybe federal govt workers know best"
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who would actually keep the lights on and make the federal govt work?

someone with a history of actually getting legislation through both chambers of congress and signed, negotiating difficult compromises, reaching consensus agreements on spending/appropriations, etc?

just a possibility.

i have no idea why yall always assign ulterior/unscrupulous motives to people supporting candidates other than bernie.

but its getting borderline 'deep state'-ish.

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38. "because"
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>i have no idea why yall always assign ulterior/unscrupulous
>motives to people supporting candidates other than bernie.

these motherfuckers in major publications and cable news have been doing it repeatedly this election cycle.

it doesn't have to be "deep state" when it happens in plain sight.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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39. "i have no idea what your beef with mainstream media"
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has to do with federal govt *workers* in nova (keyword: workers)...who are mostly the type of folks who had their entire lives upended after missing a few checks during the govt shutdown.

ordinary americans...just trying to pay their bills and feed their families...who vote for people they believe will help them with that.

why are they a part of your anti-bernie conspiracy/collusion theory?

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35. "NoVa isn't all Raytheon Acres"
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I'd be pleased to imagine that I taught some of the nerds that put a socialist in the state legislature in Manassas. I realize that's beyond the beltway, but it's close enough.

Sanders was polling a wee bit ahead there recently, so we'll see. But I've been really nervous too because the folks with money in that area are, maybe the best way to say this is - not interested in the using the power of the Democratic party for objectives that I'd like to see.

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37. "that's more of what I was thinking, didn't know how to phrase it"
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>I'd be pleased to imagine that I taught some of the nerds
>that put a socialist in the state legislature in Manassas. I
>realize that's beyond the beltway, but it's close enough.
>
>Sanders was polling a wee bit ahead there recently, so we'll
>see. But I've been really nervous too because the folks with
>money in that area are, maybe the best way to say this is -
>not interested in the using the power of the Democratic party
>for objectives that I'd like to see.

and Lee Carter is that dude.
the one thing I'll always remember him for is not for what he actually did, but Democrats in the House of Delegates around him did trying to be cute: hold up signs with the Soviet Union flag.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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247. "it takes less words to say racist"
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>I'd be pleased to imagine that I taught some of the nerds
>that put a socialist in the state legislature in Manassas. I
>realize that's beyond the beltway, but it's close enough.
>
>Sanders was polling a wee bit ahead there recently, so we'll
>see. But I've been really nervous too because the folks with
>money in that area are, maybe the best way to say this is -
>not interested in the using the power of the Democratic party
>for objectives that I'd like to see.

while still meaning the same thing. many well to do white liberals are fine with diversity and all that....as long as it doesn't stain their clothing.

  

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34. "turnout among 1st time voters is down in early states."
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from 2016 where their turnout was already pretty dismal.

obviously not just limited to bernie. but this young voter 'revolution' promised by sanders and his supporters just isnt materializing so far.

mind you...this is all following record youth turnout in the 2018 midterms. so the potential energy has been shown to be there by other candidates/campaigns.

this was written before sc but sc continued the same trend.

https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/1232296208837771265
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https://t.co/qgeMBYive1
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The share of the electorate made up of first-time Democratic voters also decreased in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada compared with 2016. And unlike four years ago, when Mr. Sanders mobilized far more first-time voters than Hillary Clinton did (averaging a 30-point lead over Mrs. Clinton across the three states), he had only a modest 10-point edge over his closest rival, Mr. Buttigieg, in that metric this time around.
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so sanders was barely beating out p booty in turning out 1st time voters? yikes.

anyone wanna try to spin this or can we all just accept this as a red flag that needs to be addressed asap?

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43. "Only thing that matters is turnout in swing states"
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No need to focus on polls and trends in states that aren’t in play or solid Dem territory.

shut up already, damn

  

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72. "or...that overall turnout is actually UP"
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82. "Where are the new voters BBs? The rapid holdovers from 16 "
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Won’t be enuff.

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92. "Where’s Warren voters.. new, old, black, white? Lmao"
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shut up already, damn

  

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97. "Warrens not getting the nom. Stay ur dumbass out of grown folks "
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Convos and out of political posts lol. This ain’t for u

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113. "^^^ YOU NAH TEEEEEE"
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204. "They complain about the Bro’s and then post threats"
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and insults

Lmao.

shut up already, damn

  

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198. "U Maaaaaad "
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shut up already, damn

  

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240. "lol"
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101. "turn out seems to be matching 2008 no?"
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that was pretty big. it would be nice to see higher turn out but is it realistic?

its only 4 states. lets see what happens tomorrow. i think looking at states that haven grown and battle ground states turn out might be more important. maybe not.

  

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44. "Abby Phillip of CNN: Pete's goal was to limit Bernie's delegate lead"
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https://twitter.com/thepopcornreel/status/1234267651192418304?s=20

Yes - that same Abby Phillip whom CNN weaponized against Sanders in that horribly choreographed CNN "debate":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAxxtRHAtro

As it turns out - Pete wasn't running against Donald Trump. He was running to thwart Sanders? lol.

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45. "If that was his goal then I am all for it. Bravo Pete."
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46. "LOL #NeVaRsAnDeRs"
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48. "You can pop that teen response shit all you want, Sanders will lose to"
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Trump.

There’s no way around it.

The second Sanders is the nominee it’s an instant win for Trump.

I don’t want my country falling apart even more than it already is so no Sanders simply cannot be the nominee.

You’re a white man I don’t expect you to understand this since you reap all the benefits here and people of color are having it horrible.

  

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51. "If your concern was beating Trump - supporting Sanders is pragmatic"
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All of the available data shows Sanders being a very strong general election candidate to beat Trump.

You actually think Bloomberg is going to beat Trump? Pete? Biden? Make the case.

The people who often lecture about vanity politics are the very ones engaging in the most egregious form of vanity politics.
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54. "Polls had Hillary beating Trump, so polling isn’t perfect."
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57. "Polls also showed that Sanders was stronger than Clinton v. Trump"
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in 2016:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/08/georgians-bernie-sanders-president/pro-sanders-group-target-about-their-candidates-po/

So again - who do you think is the strongest candidate to defeat Trump?


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67. "Lmao I just told you polls were wrong in 2016"
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And your response was to show me another poll for that time period to support your point?

Makes no sense.

To answer your question I don’t think any of the current crop can beat Trump, we are better off having a brokered convention and finding someone else to try.

Who that person is, I don’t know, but whoever it is the rest of the candidates should team of rivals it and become surrogates for that candidate so everyone wins (Biden for Secretary of State, Kamala for AG, Bernie for HHS, Warren for Treasury, etc).

  

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69. "So you're advocating for ignoring all the data?"
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And pushing for a brokered convention where the candidate with the plurality of delegates is denied in favor of a "unity candidate" selected by Super Delegates?

This is how we beat Trump in 2020?

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77. "Polls are hardly all the data,tho.Especially if the sampling is fucked"
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which I've been suspecting, since they were so wrong in '16 and continue to be way off this cycle.

Edit: I've seen value looking at other proxies... like votes cast, fundraising, organizational infrastructure, enthusiasm/crowd sizes, etc.

Other thing is, a plurality of delegates isn't a majority, right? So, tbf, a nominating the candidate with only a plurality of delegates on first ballot would actually be going against the *majority* of voters. It shouldn't really be viewed as "denying" the plurality holder anything. Viewing a plurality as an "advantage" in further deliberations seems fair tho. Just no guarantee *shrug*


>And pushing for a brokered convention where the candidate
>with the plurality of delegates is denied

  

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83. "What criteria do you suggest we use when assessing candidates"
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and their strength in a prospective head to head matchup vs. Trump?

Polls? Grassroots support? Campaign infrastructure? Ability to build a coalition? Resources on hand? None of the above?

How do you assess who is the strongest candidate vs. Trump - and who do you surmise has the best chance against him in a general election?

Pointing out that polls are wrong is definitely fair. They certainly can be wrong - but now we're compiling up actual data points (from voter trends in the primary). Should we ignore that too?

>Other thing is, a plurality of delegates isn't a majority,
>right? So, tbf, a nominating the candidate with only a
>plurality of delegates on first ballot would actually be going
>against the *majority* of voters. It shouldn't really be
>viewed as "denying" the plurality holder anything. Viewing a
>plurality as an "advantage" in further deliberations seems
>fair tho. Just no guarantee *shrug*

Think about what you're suggesting here - and whether this would be a productive process.

There is historical precedent for such a scenario in modern political history: the infamous 1968 Chicago Democratic National Convention, where Hubert Humphrey was awarded the nomination despite not competing in any primary elections.

The fiasco resulted in bloodshed, as angry, predominately young protesters were attacked by Chicago police officers. Humphrey went on to be defeated handily by Richard Nixon.

A repeat of that is going to unify the party and defeat Trump?



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91. "You think a brokered convention with a brand new name is goin to win? "
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I don’t think so...

best bet is to stop being scared and try the guy who can also pull independents.

If Dems aren’t petty like the Bro’s... totem Bernie will have the bigger draw.

shut up already, damn

  

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52. "RE: You can pop that teen response shit all you want, Sanders will lose ..."
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>Trump.
>
>There’s no way around it.

Oh?

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/fox-news-poll-shows-top-democratic-candidates-beating-trump


>I don’t want my country falling apart even more than it
>already is so no Sanders simply cannot be the nominee.

Not yours, ours

  

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60. "* hell yeah"
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>Not yours, ours
>
>

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65. "Bernie beats Trump in 4/5 swing states, ties in 5th"
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https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1233024837729296386?s=20

  

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62. "What's wrong with that?"
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I doubt he got in initially just to "thwart" Sanders. But at this point he probably realizes that he doesn't have a realistic path to victory.


Maybe he doesn't like Sanders (or he likes Biden). Or maybe he doesn't think Sanders has a good chance to win against Trump. By stepping out, it increases the likelihood of his next best alternative.

Should he stay in just to get his handful of delegates in each state? All at the expense of someone else that he would prefer to win the nomination.
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68. "This is the goal of everyone currently still running that is not Bernie."
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lol

Didn't Warren's camp come right out and say it recently also??


It's super obvious and not controversial. Sanders is also running to pull delegates from the Dem establishment (which, in his view, comprises all the actual Dem candidates)

  

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94. "Yeah.. everyone is running to pull delegates"
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At least Pete got out.

Amy and Warren need to go too. They aren’t winning anything significant.

Just go

shut up already, damn

  

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162. "can't call it a conspiracy 'theory' when it's happening in plain sight"
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220. "Fax. "
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50. "pretty significant shifts heading into super tuesday"
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i do think biden gets a bump from his sc win. pete might be getting a lot of the news right now but i think about half his support goes to biden. maybe warren gets most of the rest followed by bernie. more than tom dropping out, pete will help some candidates get over 15% in a few states. this is bad for bernie but i dont know how significant in the end.

after sc amy should have dropped out too. warren is projected to pick up a decent amount of delegates tomorrow and raised a lot of money in feb but i find it hard to say she shouldnt drop out either. before pete dropped out i expected her to underperform the projections. maybe she does meet them now.

i dont know how it turns into anything besides bernie vs biden at this point. would need some pretty surprising results tomorrow.

  

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53. "RE: pretty significant shifts heading into super tuesday"
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>i do think biden gets a bump from his sc win. pete might be
>getting a lot of the news right now but i think about half his
>support goes to biden.

half? Where did you see that? All of the data I've seen shows this:

"21% of Buttigieg’s supporters said their second choice was Sen. Bernie Sanders; 19% picked former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and 17% chose former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg." Source: Morning Consult

I've seen similar polls showing more/less the same information. I think we always need to be careful about assuming where voters may ferry over to. It's never as cut/dry as it seems.

But I do agree that Pete dropping out *should* help moderate candidates - but it'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

>after sc amy should have dropped out too. warren is projected
>to pick up a decent amount of delegates tomorrow and raised a
>lot of money in feb but i find it hard to say she shouldnt
>drop out either.

If both Amy and Warren dropped out - Sanders would decisively win both Minnesota & Massachusetts - so it seems them staying in the race serves to stave off Sanders. It's becoming a delegate collection exercise, it seems.


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56. "just a gut feeling"
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if you were about to vote for pete tomorrow who would you switch your vote to? i dont think that many pete supporters were very high on bernie anymore. i think many of those had already switched.

its mostly become pro-bernie vs anti-bernie at this point. i would guess most of petes oldest supporters would switch to biden. i think a lot of them switch to warren because they see her as the next chance to "unify" the party.

in the end its less than 10% of the vote. not sure that will matter much to bernie or biden. it might be enough to get warren over 15% though.

amy has to just be in it to get the win at home. i dont see her sticking around. maybe if biden bombs tomorrow but i doubt that happens.

if warren doesnt come out of tomorrow with a realistic chance at second in overall delegates i dont think it makes sense for her to stick around.

  

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59. "Pete had a lot of bouts throughout this primary - not just w/ Sanders"
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the "wine cave Pete" attack from Warren pissed off a lot of his supporters. His rivalry with Klobuchar was very real and heated as well. Pete seemed to go the softest on Biden & Bloomberg (no surprise there) - but I don't know that his supporters will go overwhelmingly for either of those. Pete's supporters mainly rocked w/ the "turn the page" motto - and favored him as a fresh face that drew upon obama level nostalgia in terms of the rhetoric and presence he tried to emulate.

>its mostly become pro-bernie vs anti-bernie at this point.

Regrettably - it seems to be shaping up that way - but I think that's more the case for the party power brokers than it is the voters. Obviously the gravy train stops and the party experiences real, structural change if Sanders gets in. There are a lot of people whose careers would be in jeopardy if that were to happen.



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63. "the 'revolutionary politics of the 60s' swipe at Sanders"
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during the last debate really did not sit well with older LGBTQ voters that were very pro-Pete. His total lack of understanding that his run could never have happened if it wasn't for progressives willing to stand against the status quo during that time just further spoke to his manufactured persona.

>>its mostly become pro-bernie vs anti-bernie at this point.

On this website at least, the anti-bernie crowd were super quiet a week ago. Good to see them back on the boards with Biden's win in SC

  

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64. "Politics is when we wait until something polls at 51%"
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... an event that occurs without any exercise of persuasion or power, and then we vote for it and it happens, right?

I don't see what people are getting wound up about. Seems like Buttigieg has a pretty clear understanding of 20th century history.

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76. "I'm sure he had a team crunching numbers while he furiously updated"
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his Wikipedia page. Calibrating the risk factor of holding certain unpopular opinions. How to mitigate otherness by folding in the lardiest bits of American Pie.

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85. "This is a surreal sentence"
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>How to mitigate otherness by
>folding in the lardiest bits of American Pie.

Incredibly well-constructed. Like watching Lawrence O'Donnell turn, mid-sentence toward a mirror so the entire second half of the utterance was being delivered as he stared, in slack-jawed horror, at his own insect reflection.

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88. "RE: This is a surreal sentence"
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>>How to mitigate otherness by
>>folding in the lardiest bits of American Pie.
>
>Incredibly well-constructed. Like watching Lawrence O'Donnell
>turn, mid-sentence toward a mirror so the entire second half
>of the utterance was being delivered as he stared, in
>slack-jawed horror, at his own insect reflection.

LMAO

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90. "He was a surreal candidate"
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One you could only really put your finger on with some poetic license

  

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61. "I truly think Amy is sticking around to keep Minnesota away from Bernie."
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I wouldn’t be surprised if she drops out after Super Tuesday.

  

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110. "I was wrong—she’s out and gonna endorse Biden."
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123. "L M A O !!!!"
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>
>"21% of Buttigieg’s supporters said their second choice was
>Sen. Bernie Sanders; 19% picked former Vice President Joe
>Biden and Sen. Elizabeth Warren, and 17% chose former New York
>City Mayor Michael Bloomberg." Source: Morning Consult
>
>I've seen similar polls showing more/less the same
>information. I think we always need to be careful about
>assuming where voters may ferry over to. It's never as
>cut/dry as it seems.
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55. "remember the company line: Bernie can't lose!"
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and if he loses

It's everyone else's fault he lost!


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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58. "Bernie is tearing families apart! Flava Flav kicked out of Public Enemy"
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I thought he was supposed to bring people together??

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/music/flavor-flav-fired-public-enemy-following-fight-over-sanders-rally-n1146821

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66. ">.<"
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>I thought he was supposed to bring people together??
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70. "CAN'T TRUSS IT haha... talk to chuck d about that"
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i was there at the rally and he brought HELLA people together.

many thousands of diverse people chanting classic PUBLIC ENEMY hooks together against this fascist regime was the definition of unity yesterday.

  

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73. "Coronavirus is spreading in California *precisely* during Bernie's rally"
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I thought Bernie was supposed to bring MFA to the people. Instead, he's bringing us pandemics!!!

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75. "He's a menace!!"
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74. "It wasn't Bernie, it was Flav and his lawyers"
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Don't believe the hype.

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79. ""Hoohhhwooowuuayeaah...""
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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81. "Smh Bernie or bust, they are all rabid, even chuck D. This is deep"
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Yikes @ Bernie supporters

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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84. "lol"
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Nah it wasn't Bernie, the media is hyping that up.

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210. "anything that supports the BBs are lefty trumpers agenda"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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93. "Bree Newsome Bass endorses Bernie"
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https://twitter.com/BreeNewsome/status/1234514772516888583?s=20

I decided I’m voting for Sanders in NC tomorrow not only because I believe we need sweeping reforms, including universal healthcare and policies that specifically address poverty & the wealth divide, but also to challenge what I consider extremely dangerous messaging from Biden.

The whole thread is worth reading.

  

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95. "I voted last week in NC for Bernie. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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96. "hell yeah!"
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that's great news. we need something big.

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98. "You're an interesting voter in this process."
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Following your posts - you seem to have been one of the more neutral posters here. What ultimately made you decide to vote for Sanders?

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100. "I voted for Bernie in 2016. "
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my theory is the Dems will vote for the Dem regardless of candidate so why not pick the democratic socialist who can bring in more independent voters and 3rd party voters?

My belief when this all started was Biden would have the best chance because of name recognition. Wasn’t really my preference but I thought he could get it down. Joe is slow tho...

I was off Bernie and with Warren after his heart attack but she ain’t the move. She flip flops too easily based on pressure. Bernie is the only one with a consistent message.





shut up already, damn

  

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102. "It's interesting to see where the voter journey takes them"
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Also indicative of Sanders being a fairly strong 2nd/3rd choice for a lot of voters.

I think the "war" with Sanders is not really about him vs. the voters (who hold a very favorable view of him overall) - but it's clearly against him and the party power brokers (who are doing their best to stoke up division among voters to align with anyone but Sanders).


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104. "there are some "future former republicans""
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that are threatening to not vote for bernie, or even end up voting for trump if bernie gets the nomination. for whatever that's worth.

i think there are some democratic voters that right now feel they wouldnt vote for a "socialist" but if bernie does get the nomination would come around to him.

i think there is a higher risk in turning away die hard bernie supporters versus these supposed republican voters.

  

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124. "Once the debates start and you see Bernie vs Trump"
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and their answers to policy...

If you vote for Trump because Bernie is a socialist you are an idiot.

shut up already, damn

  

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99. "could texas be the tipping point?"
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if you play with this 538 model texas flips who gets the plurality of delegates overall between bernie and biden

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/super-tuesday/

polling was starting to look good for bernie there but seems like biden is coming back.

  

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103. "Texas is big."
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If Sanders carries both California and Texas - that's going to be a huge statement. Sanders also looks very competitive in N. Carolina and Virginia. If he can also take one (or both) of those southern states - he'll have the most demographically and geographically diverse coalition, by far.
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105. "Good 538 read: “Why Mayor Pete Dropped Out”:"
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-buttigieg-dropped-out/

  

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106. "Sanders/Wellstone vs. Biden on Pharma Pricing"
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Relatedly, I miss Paul Wellstone.

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/coronavirus-vaccine-price-gouging-senate/

HOW THE SENATE PAVED THE WAY FOR CORONAVIRUS PROFITEERING, AND HOW CONGRESS COULD UNDO IT
Ryan Grim, Aída Chávez
March 2 2020, 12:30 p.m.

BEFORE A VACCINE to combat the coronavirus pandemic is within view, the Trump administration has already walked back its initial refusal to promise that any remedy would be affordable to the general public. “We can’t control that price because we need the private sector to invest,” Alex Azar, Health and Human Services secretary and a former drug industry executive, told Congress.

After extraordinary blowback, the administration insisted that in the end, any treatment would indeed be affordable. President Donald Trump on Monday morning tweeted that he would be meeting with “the major pharmaceutical companies today at the White House about progress on a vaccine and cure. Progress being made!” The federal government, though, under the Clinton administration, traded away one of the key tools it could use to make good on the promise of affordability.

Gilead Sciences, a drugmaker known for price gouging, has been working with Chinese health authorities to see if the experimental drug remdesivir can treat coronavirus symptoms. World Health Organization officials say it’s the “only one drug right now that we think may have real efficacy.” But remdesivir, which was previously tested to treat Ebola virus, was developed through research conducted at the University of Alabama at Birmingham with funding from the federal government.

That’s how much of the pharmaceutical industry’s research and development is funded. The public puts in the money, and private companies keep whatever profits they can command. But it wasn’t always that way. Before 1995, drug companies were required to sell drugs funded with public money at a reasonable price. Under the Clinton administration, that changed.

In the 1994 midterms, the Republican Revolution, built largely around a reaction to Bill Clinton’s attempt to reform the health care system, swept Democrats out of Congress. On its heels, in April 1995, the Clinton administration capitulated to pharmaceutical industry pressure and rescinded the longstanding “reasonable pricing” rule.

“An extensive review of this matter over the past year indicated that the pricing clause has driven industry away from potentially beneficial scientific collaborations with scientists without providing an offsetting benefit to the public,” the National Institutes of Health said in a 1995 statement announcing the change. “Eliminating the clause will promote research that can enhance the health of the American people.”

The move was controversial, and a House member from Vermont, independent Bernie Sanders, offered an amendment to reinstate the rule. It failed on a largely party-line vote, 242-180.

Then in 2000, Sanders authored and passed a bipartisan amendment in the House to reimpose the “reasonable pricing” rule. In the Senate, a similar measure was pushed by the late Paul Wellstone of Minnesota.

“Many in Congress find it hard to argue with Sanders’ line that ‘Americans must pay twice for life-saving drugs, first as taxpayers to develop the drug and then as consumers to pad pharmaceutical profits,’” Nature wrote at the time.

Then-Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware voted to table Wellstone’s amendment, and it was defeated 56-39.

“Our amendment requires that the NIH abide by current law and ensure that a company that receives federally owned research or a federally owned drug provide that product to the American public on reasonable terms,” Sanders said in a floor speech. “This is not a new issue. During the Bush administration, the NIH insisted that co-operative research agreements contain, quote, a reasonable pricing clause that would protect consumers from exorbitant prices of products developed from federally funded research.”

A related effort from Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., made it into the final Senate bill, watered down to say that the director of the NIH should offer “a proposal to require a reasonable rate of return on both intramural and extramural research by March 31st, 2001.”

The two measures were hashed out in a conference committee, and Sanders’s tougher House language was stripped out. The conference report included this language: “The conferees have been made aware of the public interest in securing an appropriate return on the NIH investment in basic research. The conferees are also aware of the mounting concern over the cost to patients of therapeutic drugs. By July 2001, based on a list of such therapeutic drugs which are FDA approved, have reached $500,000,000 per year in sales in the United States, and have received NIH funding, NIH will prepare a plan to ensure that taxpayers’ interests are protected.”

That plan has never been implemented, while the federal government has continued to fund research that leads to private gain. The Antiviral Drug Discovery and Development Center at the University of Alabama in 2019 received a five-year, $37.5 million grant from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases — one of the 27 institutes that make up the NIH.

Democratic presidential candidates have pledged to use authority they say is inherent in a federal law already on the books, known as Bayh-Dole, to force reasonable prices, and have pledged to go even further with new legislation. But the public might not need to wait for Election Day. With Congress set to contemplate a round of funding to mitigate the pandemic, the Sanders-Wellstone amendment could make a comeback.

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107. "Down goes Amy"
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She's going to lose MN and didn't want to be embarrased. Plus they all hate Bernie and want to unify against him.

  

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112. "Warren's legacy is decided today"
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I like this take that I saw:

we have a bit of democracy. the game is slanted by the propaganda machine working overtime, but still this is a moment where the people can shape their fate. In this context, it isn't about Warren taking votes from Bernie. People who have been calling themselves progressives gotta decide. no more, Warren fooled me. If she is still fooling you now, she could fool you into anything. If she fools you now, it's because you want to be fooled. You want the economic hierarchy to stay like it is. You like your place in it.

https://twitter.com/alexbillwinter/status/1234547226749407232

  

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114. "lol"
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108. "Klobuchar, out"
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Thank you for your service. I'll never forget being able to smell your hatred for Pete Buttigieg through my television.

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116. "her tweet about him dropping out seemed respectful"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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109. "Amy Klobuchar is out"
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/politics/amy-klobuchar-ends-2020-campaign/index.html


She's backing Biden. Man this is coming to a close faster than I thought

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111. "pressure now on warren i guess"
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i doubt bloomberg is considering dropping out.

amy backing biden is meaningful.

i wonder what voters in minn do. not sure here 3% everywhere else will mean much.

  

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120. "I'm hoping she won't fold and stick it out"
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Bloomberg ain't going anywhere, his money is what's going to keep him end til the end.

I'm not sure how powerful Amy backing Biden is but it's showing that there may be a trend and with what Mayor Pete had to say on his way out it's looking like the stance will be Biden over Sanders.

I'm just burnt out and want this ugly mess over

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mista k5
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129. "i agree"
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i think it makes sense for her to stick around for tomorrow. then evaluate. im legit shook now. weird.

if you are not already decided for bernie or biden how do you chose.

why pick bloomberg over biden?

why pick warren over biden? over bernie?

why pick tulsi if youre not related to her?

i think only warren has a legit claim for voters from those 3. are there enough voters that are not in denial about how senile (calm down eminem) joe is that will chose warren over him? can she become something other than a spoiler? will she drop out before i hit post message?

  

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115. "Irritated "
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Because for all the fuck shit I feel about Beto ... at least he didn’t carry his vanity run to the point where it affected outcomes.

You’re gonna take up air and stage time AND drop out after early voting but before Super Tuesday

Assholes. Selfish assholes.

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117. "Fair point. "
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127. "RE: Irritated "
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This really pisses me off. It subverts they process for selfish gain. If your whole goal is to get concessions you stay in to convention. If it’s to influence then be a surrogate

But when you’re effectively stealing votes that have been cast then you’re just a fucking asshole

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118. "The Moderate vote is consolidating"
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Warren refusing to drop out means that the Progressive vote will be split.

Voting is strategic at this point - and it's very clear as to how this taking shape: It's a race between Sanders & Biden.

If you're voting for Warren - it's a vote for Biden.

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119. "i guess i early voted for biden"
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im not sure that most warren voters would go to bernie. i think its closer to 50/50

i would definitely prefer bernie.

either way, these drop outs definitely change the game.

  

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151. "it is, unless Bernie indicates warren will get his VP slot, "
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>im not sure that most warren voters would go to bernie. i
>think its closer to 50/50
>

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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160. "What are you basing this on?"
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>im not sure that most warren voters would go to bernie. i
>think its closer to 50/50

According to all the data - Warren supporters clearly favor Sanders as their second choice:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voters-second-choice-candidates-show-a-race-that-is-still-fluid/

This has not been the case with other voters (Pete/Amy for example are more mixed bags when it comes to their voters' 2nd preference).

With Warren it makes sense: both her and Sanders are very closely matched on ideology and policy prescriptions, for the most part.

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168. "i do spend some time browsing the warren sub"
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a lot of people are put off by bernie. in my head i would think 100% go to bernie strictly on policy. i dont think voters are going strictly on policy though. if biden was the one that dropped and pete remained i think 50/50 would make the most sense but i think its still more evenly split than pro-bernie. lets say 55 bernie 45 biden.


edit: i also think a lot of people already fled her for bernie since that whole fiasco. im not sure many of her remaining supporters still have bernie second. i think im in the minority.

  

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178. "RE: i do spend some time browsing the warren sub"
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FWIW anyone who even mildly criticizes Warren on that sub is swiftly banned or their posts deleted as I and many others can attest to

  

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182. "You say this with pride, but you don't realize it hurts your candidate."
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Yea right @ "mildly" lol

>mildly criticizes Warren on that sub is
>swiftly banned or their posts deleted as I and many others can
>attest to

  

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188. "RE: You say this with pride, but you don't realize it hurts your candida..."
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Here is my last comment to get deleted of only a handful I've made on there, it was less than mild. In the thread "Warren defends Democratic primary rules requirng a majority at the convention" I said in full

"If anyone wants the real story behind what happened in 2016 this Twitter thread does a great job explaining it https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1232908574931722241?s=20

The ensuing thread used Warren herself as the primary source, this was the response.

Removed rule seven. Provide an unbiased source. Twitter isn't one.

Made for great conversation!

  

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191. "does this happen more on her sub than others?"
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what was your experience doing the same in petes or amys sub?

  

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194. "RE: does this happen more on her sub than others?"
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>what was your experience doing the same in petes or amys
>sub?

I haven't posted on those personally but I know that Warren's sub does have a reputation as being the most locked down and authoritarian.

  

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195. "its kind of like subs are allowed to make their own rules"
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and apply them as they see fit.


if youre not a supporter of the candidate its kind of weird to post in their sub. browse as you like but not exactly the place to debate.

  

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202. "RE: its kind of like subs are allowed to make their own rules"
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>and apply them as they see fit.
>
>
>if youre not a supporter of the candidate its kind of weird to
>post in their sub. browse as you like but not exactly the
>place to debate.

Sure, that's one way to look at it but my experience with r/sandersforpresident and especially r/wayofbern is that there is a lot of discussion, oftentimes from other candidate's supporters and it makes both places much more lively and educational.

  

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121. "Refusing to drop out is an interesting take"
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She had a huge cash haul in February while every campaign except Sanders was hemorrhaging money ... including Biden
She’s killed on the debate stages
Was the first candidate to announce they were running
And consistently ... consistently polled better than anyone except the last two that are in.

But from a politics point alone, dropping out after early voting but before Super Tuesday is so insanely selfish and self serving that it feels like sabotage.
There’s no good will extended to Klobachur, Buttigieg, or Steyer ... none.

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125. "all of this"
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>She had a huge cash haul in February while every campaign
>except Sanders was hemorrhaging money ... including Biden
>She’s killed on the debate stages
>Was the first candidate to announce they were running
>And consistently ... consistently polled better than anyone
>except the last two that are in.
>
>But from a politics point alone, dropping out after early
>voting but before Super Tuesday is so insanely selfish and
>self serving that it feels like sabotage.
>There’s no good will extended to Klobachur, Buttigieg, or
>Steyer ... none.


Dude has been dancing around "warren needs to drop out!" pretty much since Bernie announced.

Nothing but dear leader will do.

  

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130. "Yea - she's clearly in it for the long-haul. She's now taking SuperPac ..."
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even though she said she never would do that.

I'm a Warren fan - but she simply hasn't performed. Both Pete & Amy outperformed her - yet both are dropping out with the clear purpose of coalescing behind the moderate wing (Biden) to stop Sanders from getting the nomination.

And that's fine - this is politics.

In poll after poll, most Warren voters cite Sanders as their second option. That's a critical feature on Super Tuesday as she stays in - but the moderate base attempts to coalesce around Biden.



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139. "To hold dropping out against Steyer, Pete, and Amy also assumes"
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it was solely their decision tho.

Pete literally did an interview *yesterday morning* on MTP telling Chuck Todd he intended to stay in the race.

Something definitely happened in between when they filmed that and the announcement later on. It just didn't make any sense with how his campaign has been rolling thus far.

I think certain ppl were under tremendous pressure to drop out, but Warren gets a pass because her coalition overlaps Bernie's so much.

I don't entirely think Warren's February cash haul was due to her Nevada performance, either. I think the establishment/donor class also see her as a very practical foil against Bernie and after learning of her financial issues rallied to keep her campaign infrastructure afloat for that purpose (25m in 3 days but doing worse than Pete in SC, even with her higher polling among black voters). If she dropped Bernie would presumably get a huge boost and they don't want that.

Selfishness at play but not with the dropouts imho. Maybe Biden tho. He really fucking wants this and would prefer everybody ignore his red flags lol

edit: and to be clear, I think I also would have favored they all take it to the convention over this staggered coronation bs lol

>
>But from a politics point alone, dropping out after early
>voting but before Super Tuesday is so insanely selfish and
>self serving that it feels like sabotage.
>There’s no good will extended to Klobachur, Buttigieg, or
>Steyer ... none.

  

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141. "Nothing happened. They all made political choices. "
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Fuck all of them.
It’s not about any operation or consultants or party leaders
You let the ballot box make the decision once you’re in this long
Even if your candidacy isn’t viable
Otherwise what you’ve done is negated votes, negated the work of people that worked to get those votes, shit on the early vote process, etc
If you’re going to play politics with other people’s votes then you don’t deserve to be a candidate.

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142. "I hear you. I disagree, but I understand where you're coming from."
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I definitely think the Dem establishment/donor class pulled/is pulling strings behind the scenes. It's basically the Dem way at this point *shrug*


>Fuck all of them.
>It’s not about any operation or consultants or party
>leaders
>You let the ballot box make the decision once you’re in this
>long
>Even if your candidacy isn’t viable
>Otherwise what you’ve done is negated votes, negated the
>work of people that worked to get those votes, shit on the
>early vote process, etc
>If you’re going to play politics with other people’s votes
>then you don’t deserve to be a candidate.

  

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146. "Nobody is making anyone do anything "
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These are humans with full autonomy. You’re overlooking that for whatever pressures they may be feeling. At the end of the day these are their actions and should be attributed as such.

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149. "I know. Politics is fucked up tho."
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152. "These aren’t their political choices to make at this point"
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This is vote suppression.

“ This really pisses me off. It subverts they process for selfish gain. If your whole goal is to get concessions you stay in to convention. If it’s to influence then be a surrogate

But when you’re effectively stealing votes that have been cast then you’re just a fucking asshole”

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164. "Right. But that's why I think the Dem estab/donor class cutting off"
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folks' funding (or in Warren's case, turning the taps on) and other tricks were probably used to apply pressure. More than anyone, I think Pete very much wanted to stay in til the end. His campaign published an entire memo mapping out their delegate strategy, even.

I also think that the actual Dems were obviously more exposed to being pressured out, because they actually care about their political futures within the party. Bernie's obviously immune to that as is somebody like Bloomberg.

Basically, I get your anger I just think the candidate's might deserve less of it lol

>This is vote suppression.
>
>“ This really pisses me off. It subverts they process for
>selfish gain. If your whole goal is to get concessions you
>stay in to convention. If it’s to influence then be a
>surrogate
>
>But when you’re effectively stealing votes that have been
>cast then you’re just a fucking asshole”

  

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166. "k"
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122. "you're hilarious"
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You literally posted up above that Pete's voters wouldn't necessarily go to Biden.

You posted that YOURSELF.

Just because someone is in a particular lane doesn't guarantee their voters go to someone else in that lane.

By your own numbers, something like 40% of Pete's voters will go to Warren or Bernie.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13369593&mesg_id=13369593&page=#13369679

Yet, Warren needs to drop out to pave the way for dear leader...?


Who is to say a good portion of Warren voters wouldn't go to Biden? My guess is more than you think- and my guess is a big reason is the Bro behavior has pushed many away.

Not to mention, does her playing the delegate game give the progressive movement more influence over a potential Biden run?

She got Hillary to make major concessions without even running...imagine what she could get out of Biden by holding out?

Oh wait, this isn't about a progressive movement or policies its about winning a Bernie agenda.


You guys have been itching to get the progressive woman to drop out since day one. These bitches keep getting in your guy's way, huh? Ungrateful sell outs.

Its been incredibly frustrating and disappointing to watch you prove the Bernie Bro stereotype on a daily basis.


I'm telling you, if guys like you want to help Bernie get more votes you should shut the fuck up for a while because you are terrible at this.

I'm being 100% real- if Bernie is going to win, you guys have to change the bro behavior.


Not to mention, she is probably waiting to see how Super Tuesday shakes out. Some of these drop outs are premature, yet cutting it too close. Amy and Pete should have let Tuesday play out.

Oh also, have you called for Tulsi to drop out and I missed it?

  

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128. "y’all really need to stop this Bernie Bro bullshit on here"
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Telling people not to support their guy because it hurts their guy is dumb as hell.

Everyone is using the spin to justify how their pick will benefit.

Vex ain’t no worse than Reeq.

Both are spinning the fuck out of these articles, polls, etc.

shut up already, damn

  

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131. "lol right - not sure why people are acting brand new"
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You make claims/predictions/assessments and use polling/data to try and back up your argument/preference - and advocate for your candidate of choice.

Not sure why people get so upset at this lol.

kfine did a fine job of advocating for Pete - and often proffered available data to bolster well-thought out arguments. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm gonna cry about it and be like 'omg you're so ridiculous! how dare you competently advocate for your candidate of choice!' lol


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143. "Implying you are turning voters off is bullshit"
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People just scared to admit they are more comfortable with the safe pick.

shut up already, damn

  

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