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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

this is just a mutation of Sars from the early 2000's which has been around at low levels and drug resistance has made it more potent

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And there are no drugs to treat it or vaccines to prevent it.
How do we know how it responds to drugs at all vs other coronaviruses?

Known problems are that it's airborne, it's novel, and it's a slow incubator.

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of it. All of their test subject samples and biological profiles were Asian and therefore it seems to mainly be infecting and harming/killing Asians.

>

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/26/biden-orders-us-intelligence-to-intensify-investigation-into-covid-19-origins.html

KEY POINTS (Thiers, not mine):

- President Joe Biden has ordered a closer intelligence review of what he said were two equally plausible scenarios of the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic.

- Biden revealed that earlier this year he asked the Intelligence Community to assess “whether it emerged from human contact with an infected animal, or from a laboratory accident.”

- The hypothesis that the virus may have escaped from a laboratory has gained more mainstream traction.

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which is understandable, thats how much a bastard he was but even a broken clock.....

We'll see what happens if this is still around in a year or so.

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The scarier shit now is researchers are finding that you can infect human cells with the bat version of the virus...

So no need to jump from bat to furry animal to domestic animal to human..

Just bat to man

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on charges related to china and the wuhan region should be drawing much more attention. then i found some coverage relating to it. a fun coincidence perhaps.

he's the chair of Harvard University’s Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, and he was working with an institute in wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/01/28/massachusetts-china-indictments-charles-lieber-yanqing-ye-zaosong-zheng/

By the end of the year predicts a Harvard epidemiologist:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

"Lipsitch predicts that, within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses."

The restaurant I work at had a bug that hit almost everybody with indiscriminate force and all of us had mild-to-severe symptoms that were slightly different. For me, I was basically physically unable to get out of bed for three days, my body felt heavy as hell and I couldn't handle really any light or sound so I just laid in silence the whole time.


Others were projectile vomiting for two days, our patient zero had a persistent cough for nearly 3 weeks, someone else had extreme digestion issues and basically couldn't eat, another just had nerve and ear/nose/throat issues for two or three days.


I haven't looked into the virus much but nobody I work with really ever gets cold; the last time I needed a prescription med was four or five years ago, maybe more. But this thing hit every single person that worked there, including people that had their flu shots, with complete disregard for human life. In the end it felt manageable for all us that we didn't see any doctors so we were never diagnosed with anything and luckily we had enough staff we could quarantine as the need arose, but I definitely just wonder if we had a mild version of some way serious flu variant.


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pretty much everybody that caught it was out of commission for at least 5 days. what was particularly strange about it compared to when i normally get sick was that my appetite was HIGH. normally i can barely eat when im sick but im sitting there just hungry nonstop.

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Kidding (?) aside, I would be surprised if the cornucopia of symptoms you describe is even connected to one single virus or bacterium, let alone covid-19.

Sounds like your work just got hit by a common respiratory virus such as the flu or cold, and maybe some others happened to have food poisoning at the same time. Add in a few hypochondriacs and the whole company will seem ill.

If you really think it might have been covid-19, you should warn your local health authorities.

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"Over 80% of patients have mild #COVID19 & will recover.

In about 14% of cases, the virus causes severe disease, including pneumonia & shortness of breath.

And about 5% of patients have critical disease incl. respiratory failure, septic shock & multi-organ failure"-
@DrTedros"

https://mobile.twitter.com/WHO/status/1229430298997350402

About the Spanish Flu:
"The World Health Organization estimates that 2–3% of those who were infected died (case-fatality ratio)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

with the exception of the doctor who blew the whistle, he died from being exposed too many patients.

not the least worried if you have healthy pink lungs which means no pnuemonia.

maybe this is population control to get rid of smokers, good riddance.

take a message

>maybe this is population control to get rid of smokers, good
>riddance.

good riddance? wow

just wow

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Since I'm not like you, I'll ask for clarification:

Are you joking?

this is a forum to say whatever you want freely.

but joking about smokers, nah. i'm currently paying the medical bill and visiting a relative who's slowly dying from second hand smoking.

take a message

>this is a forum to say whatever you want freely.

As a complete aside, since I got you mixed up with someone else, I'd still like to expound on this line of thinking.

I don't see where that has anything to do with whether something someone says is or is not self-righteous. That we can speak freely is separate from the actual content, context, tone, etc of the words we speak.

To be clear, I'm not attributing any self righteousness to anything you've said per se 😊

>but joking about smokers, nah. i'm currently paying the
>medical bill and visiting a relative who's slowly dying from
>second hand smoking.

To clarify, my question is whether you're joking about the "good riddance" in light of the concept that Coronavirus is killing smokers.

segment of the earth's population

>this is a forum tsay whatever you want freely.
>
>but joking about smokers, nah. i'm currently paying the
>medical bill and visiting a relative who's slowly dying from
>second hand smoking.

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it's happening on its own accord.

take a message

...from the pro-life extremists...

When those facilities close = HIV infections increased exponentially

See Pence in Indiana

Should be interesting watching them dance around scientific facts...given they've been doing that for decades IRT climate change

WE ARE FUCKED.

It's also interesting watching Repugs indignation at the WH response(s)...when they've had more than a couple of opportunities to remove these asshats

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and instead of doing something about the fire he tosses a match on that shit?

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Assholes

>and instead of doing something about the fire he tosses a
>match on that shit?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/NSECYOONF5H5RFJ4YFMH64OKXY.jpg&w=1440

and it was a conspiracy to begin with..

that’s my theory

seriously tho.. no way we have another shut down and I hope they stfu about these variants and killer bees

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

> its over

>and it was a conspiracy to begin with..

And it always will be. The general public will probably never really know how this all came to be.

>that’s my theory
>
>seriously tho.. no way we have another shut down and I hope
>they stfu about these variants and killer bees

Me too. We ain't got killer bees up here tho, we have spotted laternflies spreading like crazy: https://extension.psu.edu/spotted-lanternfly

Ig the general public will never know what "really" went down, how do you know its was a conspiracy?

Even if you question official information on the situation, the intellectually honest take is to say you don't know how it went down.

conspiracy. it's usually not logical thought. up there with jay-z and the Illuminati.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

When they are wrong and make mistakes it all becomes easily attributable to a conspiracy.

Not saying this is a conspiracy or legitimate good faith mistake, just saying we cant know because of lying ass governments.


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Didn't know what it was at that time.

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who knows what to believe but bat soup always sounded suspect af.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/potential-lab-incident-fbi-director-wray-speaks-publicly/story?id=97535563


Don't trust the FBI tho, so I don't know what to believe, lol.

and whether I was confident in the FBI as an agency or not, they're pretty much the last agency in the world I'd go to with a question about biology. They're welcome to put biology aside and focus on whether and how to arrest Donald Trump.

Everyone who pays any attention to viruses or epidemics has been saying for decades that it was only a matter of time before one of the many animal coronavirus strains would spread to humans and cause a major pandemic. There's no reason at all to be surprised that it happened in 2019. Maybe a lab leak was involved, maybe not, but regardless, labs need to study these things. The lab hysteria makes about as much sense as vaccine denialism.

the anti-trump contingent in media and govt very quickly moved to dismiss the possibility of a lab leak. with some reason--they didn't want to allow trump's claims to inflame racism, xenophobia etc.

but these early moves to dismiss the possibility were hardly evidence-based. so they set the priors of many many people towards lab leak being implausible, even outlandish and/or based in racist thinking. with Trump off the scene, lab leak is slowly coming off the blacklist of 'things we're not allowed to talk about' and is gaining traction as more people look at the facts and consider probabilities. if it had happened in a vacuum, it's hard to know what the current thinking of various experts would be. but lab leak is gaining, zoonotic origin started at overwhelming consensus but is losing ground

>Everyone who pays any attention to viruses or epidemics has
>been saying for decades that it was only a matter of time
>before one of the many animal coronavirus strains would spread
>to humans and cause a major pandemic. There's no reason at all
>to be surprised that it happened in 2019.

yes, and one of the ways they can spread is by labs finding viruses in caves, taking them 1000+ miles away to Wuhan and, fiddling around with them in the name of 'science' and then lab workers getting infected and spreading the virus outside of the lab.

>Maybe a lab leak was
>involved, maybe not, but regardless, labs need to study these
>things. The lab hysteria makes about as much sense as vaccine
>denialism.

huh? "labs need to study these things". sure, maybe. but HOW they study them is what is at issue. you admit lab leak of covid is a possible scenario. surely, if this is what happened, the way the lab responsible studied these viruses is not something we NEED to repeat.

to your last sentence: do better. lab leak is being taken seriously (as it should be). if the pandemic started because of mistakes made by a lab, it is VERY important we correct international standards for studying these things.

it was a leak of something that developed in the wild already, so it was only a matter of a few years before it would have emerged naturally anyway. That's why this is all so silly.

Of course labs need strong security protocols. They have them, have had them for a long time, and they're constantly reassessing and strengthening them. Nothing that randos like us on the internet might think about lab protocols is news to any of the people who actually work in this field. They're 30 years ahead of us on all this, they don't need help from the FBI or the media or you or me.


As for the history of "things we're not allowed to talk about," you're mixing up accidental leak hypotheses with the hyper-dumb "bioweapon" hypotheses, and that's what everyone else was doing in those years too. All the more reason that the media (*especially* alternative media), and the public, are simply not equipped to consider these issues. We have better things to be pondering.

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>it was a leak of something that developed in the wild already,
>so it was only a matter of a few years before it would have
>emerged naturally anyway. That's why this is all so silly.
>

this is not necessarily the case. this is what the gain of function debate is all about. let's say it was a bat virus that couldnt currently make the leap to humans. or could leap but had a very low transmission rate once in a human host. Wuhan scientists MAY have tweaked this bat virus in ways that caused it to be much more dangerous and transmissible to humans. there is consensus that this is within the realm of possibility give current scientific knowhow and the Wuhan lab's capabilities

>Of course labs need strong security protocols. They have them,
>have had them for a long time, and they're constantly
>reassessing and strengthening them. Nothing that randos like
>us on the internet might think about lab protocols is news to
>any of the people who actually work in this field. They're 30
>years ahead of us on all this, they don't need help from the
>FBI or the media or you or me.

the wuhan lab had been studying SARS viruses for years with no unintended consequences and it is possible (there are reports this was the case) that lab safety standards had grown lax (or were never stringent enough in the first place). if nothing happens the first 99 times you put a tent under a dead tree, you think hey back to the trusted camp site. it's windy the 100th night in the tent and the tree comes down and smushes you.

to your second point, there are huge conflicts of interest among researchers in this area. they want grant money, they want to push the envelope and do innovative science. the once in a blue moon chance of a deadly virus being unleashed can factored out given these incentives. "it won't happen to me" til it does. even the best virologist in the world cannot foresee the consequences of changes they make to a virus with 100% confidence. the best scientist in the world could not look at the genome of, say, omicron, and describe exactly how it would interact with humans.

>
>
>As for the history of "things we're not allowed to talk
>about," you're mixing up accidental leak hypotheses with the
>hyper-dumb "bioweapon" hypotheses, and that's what everyone
>else was doing in those years too. All the more reason that
>the media (*especially* alternative media), and the public,
>are simply not equipped to consider these issues. We have
>better things to be pondering.

bioweapons are also a real threat. i do not think covid is the result of an attempt to make one. there is reason to be concerned that gain of function research done without ill intent could be used by another actor WITH malevolent intent. ...that certain GoF research could provide recipes that bad actors could quite easily copy. (the gene editing tech and expertise needed to do this stuff does not cost that much money)

you are very smug about all this. trusting the expert consensus is a decent heuristic, but in the case of gain of function research, these experts, as i said above, often have conflicts of interest. you are also portraying a world of experts who agree with you and dismissing those with concerns not shared by your expert class as an uninformed fringe. this is not really the case.

is on
"Wuhan scientists MAY have tweaked this bat virus in ways that caused it to be much more dangerous and transmissible to humans. there is consensus that this is within the realm of possibility give current scientific knowhow and the Wuhan lab's capabilities"
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maybe this is technically possible based on at least three unlikely things happening

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Shi was doing the exact research a person would do if they were trying to create sars-cov-2. Her grant proposal to DARPA in 2018 explicitly proposed adding furin cleavage spikes to bat coronaviruses. NO OTHER know bat coronavirus has a furin cleavage spike except for sars-cov-2. the intermediate host animal proposed by zoonosis proponents has never been found.


Shi was doing this in sbl-3 and sbl-2 labs. Ralph Baric, who innovated many of the gain of function techniques Shi used in her research (she was co-author on a paper with him) is concerned and has questions about the safety standards at the Wuhan lab.

it's not some extremely unlikely scenario people are cooking up. there was a moratorium on NiH funding on this type of research btwn 2014-2017.

there has been a concerted effort to drive the narrative away from weighing the possibility of lab leak. the science involved is dangerous, the world needs to work together to make sure this science isn't endangering everyone.

read something about it. this isn't going away. it is going to be a huge story for decades. history is not going to be kind to a lot of people on this. it's not about the blame game, it's about acknowledging the dangers of gain of function research and making sure we do something about it. the upper echelons in the NiH tried to discourage debate on this for a long time (with some good reason--a pandemic was on us, bad time to let recriminations against china take root, etc) but this science isn't going away. in the last 20 years we've had access to pandora's box. with the pandemic, as Ralph Baric himself worries, there has been a massive build-out of labs around the world doing work with virus chimeras at least ballpark adjacent to what Baric and Shi do/did. Meaning a lot more lab coats getting trained up in ways that can sow uncontrollable viral agony far and wide. so pay attention, try to think about it

SPOILER ALERT: It involves a market in China.


Could get into further detail but I'd get into trouble it's impossible to get out of.

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