Ok ok I’ll change this to something less controversial lol.

I’m assuming he will have to pick a woman.

Poll result (32 votes) Elizabeth Warren (11 votes) Vote Nina Turner (3 votes) Vote AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Or Ilhan Omar (0 votes) Vote Tulsi Gabbard (16 votes) Vote a Moderate woman , Klobuchar or the like (2 votes) Vote Bernie or bust, The VP could be a slice of cheese as long as Bernie is prez (0 votes) Vote

Abrams might have hurt her chances since she seems very close to endorsing Bloomberg. But if he's nominated, it'll probably be a Black woman.

I'll even go ahead and say that if the nominee is anyone except Warren or Klobachar, it'll be a Black Woman.

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I think he would really wanted either of them, maybe abrams. He has other Black women to choose from, altho not as well known

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I think both know that being the VP on what could be a winning ticket is a big step.

And I think Sanders knows the data and the demographics, and how important the Black Woman vote is going to be.

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Sanders would pick anyone who doesn’t support M4A or his other far left policies

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I think it's far more likely that she'd be featured on a Bloomberg ticket than a Sanders one.

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In the line of succession after VP, and u only have to be 25 to service in the house

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that's what happened with Madeleine Albright at least. she could never assume the presidency though she was 5th in the line of succession (she was born in Czechia).

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This is even more important because of the possibility of Sanders passing during the course of an administration. He's not going to pick somebody who he clashes with on the core issues of justice that are integral to his campaign.

Some say Klobuchar to bring in the "moderate" vote and secure the MidWest - but they clash in too many core areas including foreign policy, MFA, criminal justice (just to name a few).

Warren would be an excellent choice - but having two Liberal New Englanders might not be the smartest strategic move (and I think Warren would be a truly exceptional Treasury Security).

Incidentally, I think Castro could make for a fascinating VP as well

Tulsi actually would be interesting in a few ways - beyond just the geographic & demographic balance to Sanders: (1) She actually does attract voters all over the map; Progressives, Independents, even Conservatives. Sanders is reaching out to disaffected Trump voters (pretty effectively) - and Tulsi would be an effective diplomat reaching out to that demo to help draw in the famed Obama/Trump swing voter (2) she vibes with Sanders on virtually his entire platform (especially foreign policy - which is why she'd be likely be featured in a sec. of state/natl security adviser role (if not VP) in a Sanders admin.) (3) We wouldn't have to risk a Senate/Congressional seat (like we would with Warren) - as Tulsi is not running for re-election and it's likely a Dem will win her seat in Hawaii. On the flip - a lot of Clinton Dems despise her as much as they despise Sanders - and the smears against her were somewhat effective in souring voters who otherwise would probably have a favorable view of her.

Nina Turner would be fun - but I think she's better utilized as an activist who is not confined by political expediency.

Of course, there are a lot of options for VP - and he'd likely look beyond the presidential candidate field - but I don't see him selecting a VP who is not on his wavelength re: the issues he's fought his entire life for.

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Now. Stop it. And just say tulsi like u want to lol

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What I said was that she'd be an excellent President - and I've long admired her. I was happy to canvass for her Senatorial campaign and I'd do it again without hesitation.


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Was revealed that sanders said he didn’t think a woman could win. I mean u damn near called her Pocahontas....STOP it I say lol. Please

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"My personal view is that both Sanders and Warren are excellent candidates to thwart Trump and I'd be happy with either one emerging."

>Was revealed that sanders said he didn’t think a woman
>could win. I mean u damn near called her Pocahontas....STOP it
>I say lol. Please

Never called her names of any kind. It's easy enough to link to the quote you feel is so offensive - so show me.

Re: her accusation that Sanders was sexist - yea she messed up with that. Serious political miscalculation - and she suffered for it. After she got off to a great start in her campaign, she made some bad decisions with the MFA flipping and the desperate attempt to take down Sanders (which - as it turns out - didn't play well w/ voters at all).

In the post - I made the case that Sanders was the stronger candidate because of his ability to appeal to a broader demographic than Warren - who boasted the whitest support-base of all top-tier candidates (now Pete holds that crown).

Analyzing a primary and criticizing a candidate for their miscalculations isn't being abrasive.


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I’m done with u and it tho phoney. Continue to front all you want.

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sounds a lot like "bernie said a woman can't be president 18 months ago".

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>Tulsi actually would be interesting in a few ways - beyond
>just the geographic & demographic balance to Sanders: (1) She
>actually does attract voters all over the map; Progressives,
>Independents, even Conservatives. Sanders is reaching out to
>disaffected Trump voters (pretty effectively) - and Tulsi
>would be an effective diplomat reaching out to that demo to
>help draw in the famed Obama/Trump swing voter (2) she vibes
>with Sanders on virtually his entire platform (especially
>foreign policy - which is why she'd be likely be featured in a
>sec. of state/natl security adviser role (if not VP) in a
>Sanders admin.) (3) We wouldn't have to risk a
>Senate/Congressional seat (like we would with Warren) - as
>Tulsi is not running for re-election and it's likely a Dem
>will win her seat in Hawaii. On the flip - a lot of Clinton
>Dems despise her as much as they despise Sanders - and the
>smears against her were somewhat effective in souring voters
>who otherwise would probably have a favorable view of her.

hahaha!!!

But I noticed you didn't actually dispute the merits of the argument - though I'd like to see you try.

Quite likely that Tulsi gets featured in a prominent foreign policy/diplomatic role - if not seriously considered as his running mate.

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Ayana Presley? She has squad appeal but is a
Warren backer so there would be some goodwill
with that pick.

Baldwin? Duckworth?

I think Abrams is out. She’s getting too cozy with
Bloomberg. To the point where I think she’ll be his
if he wins the nom- if not sooner.

Maybe Harris.


It’s hard for me to picture Bernie picking a unifying
running mate- and even harder for me to envision
his loudest supporters being ok with it but a moderate
woman would be his best bet.

Think he will need a Black woman tho.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-7eQrtWWl0

That person will have to sacrifice their career by breaking the senate rules to implement M4A because it can't get through the house and senate.

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>That person will have to sacrifice their career by breaking
>the senate rules to implement M4A because it can't get through
>the house and senate.
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Day before he signs M4A he drops dead.

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I've had my eye on a Victorian fainting couch for awhile now. If the Senate rules are in jeopardy, I just may have to pull the trigger.

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The originally question and answers were shitting on Bernie bros per usual but I tried to take the high road and changed it like 5 min later

The original question asked what what BBs do if sanders picked warren as VP

And the answers captured some of the fucked up and misogynistic comments sanders supporters have made about warren ever since she “crossed” (well actually before too) saint Bernie

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whoa, i was thinking maybe it asked who would be. why do so many people want tulsi as vp?

The original post was extra though lol

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from Sanders so much this cycle that I dunno about that option. That was my ideal ticket in 2016 too (Warren/Sanders).

I think it HAS to be a woman, or identity politics sake, and ideally a POC. My head says Tulsi though they will make her divisive, and I think she'd be a better Secretary of State. My heart says Nina Turner, but I think they will try to paint her as an "angry Black woman". Stacy Abrams is really interesting politically. I think she could help develop that ticket, and honestly is a game changer for all the candidates. Her and Bloomberg I think would be unbeatable but it checks the money, machine, and identity politics boxes. But her and Sanders I think could beat Trump, even though I don't know if it is a complete ideological match since so much of that for Abrams is unknown to me. In the end probably should still be Warren, to help bridge that level of voter that is #NeverSanders after how he was mean to Hillary and Elizabeth. But she also needs to stay in the Senate or Massachusetts Governor will appoint his replacement. I think Abrams is the move. Black Woman VP and Progressive Platform gets voters out I believe, and doesn't cost us anything in Congress.

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at minimum she appeals to Trump supporters, is for M4A, Green New Deal, $15 an hour minimum wage, anti-interventionist regime change AND is a POC Woman?

Like none of that would make sense to you as a ticket for the general election? AND she left the DNC to support Sanders in 2016 so I know where her political allegiance is in ideology. Doesn't seem as far fetch as Tim Kaine, but to each their own.

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That seems like a reach.

and it’s cool that she supported Bernie but that’s not really going to sure up the POC vote.

Ain’t no one Black looking at Tulsi as an ally besides that one weird cousin who likes pumpkin pie and hates Granny’s fried Chicken

Bernie doesn’t need a cheerleader he needs someone who will expand his voting base.

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or Ro Khanna

I think your premise is off

considering the opponents, I don't think a woman and/or minority is mandated

but either Primala or Ro would be great picks IMO.

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my friend is a sanders surrogate and talked/met with both recently, and is real impressed with their commitment to actual progressive policy.

Lot of candidates for bosses. Only one candidate for workers. His vice presidential pick should reinforce that.

I also like RoseAnne DeMoro for similar reasons, and Barbara Lee for different reasons, primarily a more traditional "being excellent at politics."

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Are, they care more about destruction than actual sound policy and governing

Tulsi is terrible. Full stop

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But I'd be ok with Kamala, Buttigieg, Yang, or a Castro.

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picking someone with overlapping appeal in areas that sanders will prolly already win (like warren) prolly isnt a good move.

if sanders weak point is suburban moderates...or the party is worried about black voters tailing off (again)...then the campaign/party should go with someone who can help remedy that.

thats why biden floated abrams as vp out the gate.

if sanders could pull in a black woman with that 2018 midterm dem sun belt suburb appeal...that would be great.

>if sanders could pull in a black woman with that 2018 midterm
>dem sun belt suburb appeal...that would be great.

Who would that be though? Michelle Obama ain't walking in that door lol.


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i saw someone mention rep val demings. black woman moderate out of orlando area. super christian. popular among florida black voters. reps a majority white but very diverse working class district. law enforcement background. first woman police chief of orlando. credited with a near 50% reduction in crime in orlando. shit like that appeals to those suburban moderate types.

she looks pretty good on paper but not much name recognition.

abrams is pretty cool (great exposure) but no real govt experience outside of georgia state house.

that might not matter to 'us' but it could to the type of voters sanders needs to bring into the tent.

i guess she would be our version of sarah palin (obviously not anywhere near as crazy but with less city/state gov executive experience). but palin was a play for the base while mccain got those votes in the center. abrams would be a base play (mostly black voters) but bernie doesnt have those center votes sewn up.

Abrams would be the closest - but her pivot towards Bloomberg makes it seem that much more unlikely.

Sanders is doing very well with Black voters - and POC in general. I think he's golden if he picks a woman of color who rocks with his platform. I do think it needs to be a woman - and preferably a woman of color - but just as important as this person vibes with him on policy and is able to carry out his platform. Not sure Abrams even does that.


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progressives arent jumping ship on a bernie campaign because abrams is associated with bloomberg. its not even like she endorsed him. hes just a donor to her campaign and voting rights org and did one of her pro voting rights events.

but a bloomberg cosign of abrams would def put her in good graces with those suburban moderates.

also she wouldnt really be voting on anything as vp. just breaking ties when necessary (which is rare and she wouldnt cross the prez/party obviously).

she would be a loyal vp dedicated to the prez agenda like most overwhelmingly are.

>progressives arent jumping ship on a bernie campaign because
>abrams is associated with bloomberg.

I def agree - but I don't think that's the issue with Abrams as VP. I'm not sure she shares Bernie's vision in enough areas to make it a cohesive ticket. But it would for sure be a strong ticket IMO in terms of its wide-ranging appeal to the base. Not sure how many independent swing-votes it attracts though.




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pence in theory helped trump sure up the evangelicals

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and absolutely critical to dems electoral college chances.

he was also supposed to appeal to those christian/catholic personally anti abortion but legally pro choice voters. the type that put dems in the governors mansions in places like ks and ky in 2018/19.

in hindsight...they obviously should have focused more on a vp who appealed to black voters more. but i understand the play.

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as evidenced by the underwhelming turnout in 2016 for Dems.

Shocking that a lot of people didn't want to get up for a Clinton/Kaine ticket - I know.

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Who support him are basically cult followers and would follow him into a vat of lava, I’d be interested to see what they would do if he picks someone that promoted a public option as opposed to M4A...

Also I don’t see how that is even reconciled. Unless sanders is able to continue to just be vague about m4a and abandon it all together if he gets elected

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of passing.

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funny how she is basically saying what people like pete and liz (aka realists) have been saying and getting blasted by bernie supporters for. maybe a little time spent in washington has shown her you cant be an activist/zealot all your life and expect to get laws passed.

i guess its ok to admit now that bernie is looking like the favorite for the nomination lol.

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i was skeptical but hopeful that bernie wouldnt govern as an ideologue and would get the legislative wins that were actually feasible (and didnt destroy the rest of the party in the following midterms).

but thats an increasingly hard case to make when he says/does shit like this.

Nothing wrong with AOC pointing out the obvious - and nothing wrong with Bernie making the consistent case he's always made for MFA. It's wise to begin the negotiation with MFA instead of already conceding ground from the jump. We all know how long and arduous it was for Obama to get the ACA passed (he spent an entire term on it) - so there will be massive negotiations. Might as well start the negotiation at the preferred position knowing that you'll have to give ground somewhere.

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over the feasibility of his *trademark* legislative priority is no big deal.

got it.

imagine if claire mccaskill or susan rice was doing interviews in 2008 saying obamacare prolly wouldnt pass so dems would prolly settle for just lowering prescription drugs. no pre existing conditions coverage, state marketplace competition, etc.


>Nothing wrong with AOC pointing out the obvious - and nothing
>wrong with Bernie making the consistent case he's always made
>for MFA. It's wise to begin the negotiation with MFA instead
>of already conceding ground from the jump. We all know how
>long and arduous it was for Obama to get the ACA passed (he
>spent an entire term on it) - so there will be massive
>negotiations. Might as well start the negotiation at the
>preferred position knowing that you'll have to give ground
>somewhere.

so why doesnt bernie say whats realistically possible but aoc does (mind you aoc is up for reelection too while running on a bernie-aligned pro m4a platform)?

are pro-m4a diehard 'progressives' actually ok with their candidates going soft on it? what about the nurses union, dem socialists, etc?

why is sanders running on a fantasy policy that alienates a lot of dem voters who want to keep obamacare (2018 midterms biggest winning policy issue) when (as many of his supporters are publicly admitting) it has next to nil chance of passing anyway?

'lets make our campaign about something virtually impossible but will give us a good negotiating starting point' doesnt sound like bold radical change to me. i thought incrementalism was unacceptable. kinda weird what happens when you have to worry about actually governing huh?

obama actually got obamacare passed. tho compromised and negotiated down...the actual policy kernel passed.

but aoc isnt talking about negotiating down within the same policy. shes basically admitting they would prolly have to accept public option (which was part of the original obamacare) and functionally scraps the sanders *mandatory* m4a plan (theres obviously a reason why sanders folks are attacking other candidates for it).

public option by definition means that m4a (as presently constituted by sanders legislation) is abandoned (for now).

and even with that...its a pretty big assumption *that* could pass with an obstructionist repub senate coalition. dems couldnt get public option with a 59-60 dem senate majority. what makes anyone think they could get it with 50-51 (if lucky)?

"Nothing wrong" when AOC says it lol lol


The cult is real.

The coals

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aoc is essentially admitting m4a is a pipe dream and pragmatic politicians like everyone but bernie are more clear eyed and successfully positioned on the issue.

dems used to be the realistic/pragmatic party. radicals may not like the incremental progress. but its why dems governed well...didnt send the country off a cliff after 8 years...and a dem prez usually enters post office life with high approval among the party.

but now you got folks running on stuff that makes part of the base feel good but is doomed to failure/disappointment in reality.

what happens if dem voters put bernie in the white house and he goes like 0-5 on m4a, green new deal, $15 fed wage hike, etc?

"what happens if dem voters put bernie in the white house and he goes like 0-5 on m4a, green new deal, $15 fed wage hike, etc"


not Bernie.

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AOC is a rock-star and is as beloved as could be w/ Bernie's supporters - so is Nina - so is Cornell - so is Ilhan etc.. etc..

They absolutely love the progressive slate of surrogates. I've been to several Sanders events this campaign season and whenever AOC or a prominent surrogate makes an appearance it's like LeBron just walked into the arena.

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i didnt predict what the reaction would be. i simply said im interested in seeing how it plays out. cuz im genuinely curious.

ryan grim of theintercept already took heat from his own lefty following for saying basically the same thing aoc did.

maybe aoc is completely immune to criticism for straying away from sanders. we will see.

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AOC fucked up there.. you should never admit to that lol.. you can't start negotiating from the middle ground. She's young though, i'll give her a pass.

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im not sure of the benefit of publicly admitting your flagship policy proposal is really just a bargaining chip (even if youre really just telling the truth lol).

whats the incentive for repubs to negotitate in good faith now?

>what happens if dem voters put bernie in the white house and
>he goes like 0-5 on m4a, green new deal, $15 fed wage hike,
>etc?

A lot of them seem to think he can do all this stuff if/when he's prez just by being prez.


I wonder if it would lead to complete disillusionment with politics, blaming everyone else, or going full Trump and somehow claiming he did what he promised.

What would really be interesting is if he did win and then compromised on things, and watch them praise him for the very stuff they attacked Warren for.

I don't think a lot of them are ready.

I thought Obama was going to change the world, man. They aint ready.


Anyway, I am curious if you come up with a VP pick for Bernie. Its hard to picture for me.

>Anyway, I am curious if you come up with a VP pick for Bernie.
> Its hard to picture for me.

i just hope they dont pick a bernie acolyte who really wouldnt add any flavor to the recipe.

this shit is hard as hell with dems being such a diverse coalition and having to hit all the right representation notes.

That says a lot. Black women can’t catch a break with that group even in this cycle, where he is supposed to be making a concerted effort to win over more of us Black folks

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I think she makes a lot of sense for VP, but as I said above they are already getting on her for "mean tweets" where she calls out the Democratic establishment. They are trying to paint her as an angry Black woman, and I don't know how that will play to the gentle Democratic base that aren't trying to hear about themselves. They shouted her down for calling Bloomberg for being an Oligarch for goodness sake. My heart is with Nina but not sure if it plays, except as a counter to if Bloomberg locks down Abrams.

But NINA deserves so much credit for Sanders' campaign, and him getting the Black support his is currently getting in SC. She has been down there getting the job DONE, and been a strong ally. I would love a Sanders/Turner ticket.

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Profile role if he makes it in the White House, she been riding with him since day one

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>They shouted her down for calling
>Bloomberg for being an Oligarch for goodness sake.

I love how Nina didn't backtrack to spare their feelings. I want her to VP just to see her sitting behind Bernie at the SOTU, un-apologetically for all to see.

>But NINA deserves so much credit for Sanders' campaign, and
>him getting the Black support his is currently getting in SC.
>She has been down there getting the job DONE, and been a
>strong ally. I would love a Sanders/Turner ticket.

All facts. She's been his most prolific surrogate IMO.

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I ain’t seen but 2 people on here hype up Tulsi and well.. seeing how awful she has been at this even her supporters have to admit she ain’t the move

Fucking losers.. lol. We gone lose again if you keep voting with your dicks. She ain’t that cute.

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It makes sense why she'd be in the mix: Nobody has been more loyal and had Bernie's back more than Tulsi through all the smearing/bullshit over the past 4 years. They are naturally aligned in both platform and in their willingness to break rank with partisan doctrine. She also brings great foreign policy experience to the table. At the very least, she'd be a top candidate for an ambassador to the UN/Natl' Security Adviser - or Sec. of State in a Sanders administration.

I think she might be too controversial for a lot of Dems who have bought into the numerous smears over her - but both on paper and in optics, it makes sense.

It's interesting though: Dems are always trying to appeal to some mythical center - and they've generally made their VP selections with that in mind (see: Lieberman/Kaine/Biden etc..) -- meanwhile, Republicans have generally given its base what it wants: Trump/Pence is an unapologetic ticket - and Romney/Ryan was for the most part as well - and let's not even get started on McCain/Tea Party Palin lol.

Dems are way too timid and safe with these decisions - and we've effectively been shifted to the center-right because of it.

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