...time..but can't..."? © Large Professor

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/27/entertainment/drake-rap-sing-new-york-times/index.html


The New York Times gave Drake credit for rap-singing. People aren't having it

Lisa France byline

By Lisa Respers France, CNN

Updated 11:15 AM ET, Wed November 27, 2019


Since The New York Times published a critique this week claiming Drake pioneered rap-singing -- which it described as "singing and rapping all woven together into one holistic whole" -- people have been in their feelings and accusing the paper of being on its worst behavior.

Here's how it all went down:


Jon Caramanica
✔
@joncaramanica
for our end-of-decade package

wrote about how Drake turned rapping into singing

which no one thought would work

and is now the utter and total normhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/arts/music/drake-rap-influence.html …


The paper on Monday ran a piece by pop music critic Jon Caramanica headlined, "Rappers are singers now. Thank Drake," as part of its "Decade in Culture" series.

"He fundamentally rewrote the rules of entry for what it meant to be a rapper in the 2010s," the article's secondary headline about the Canadian rapper reads. "And it seems everyone followed."

Twitter reacted with some "Say what now?" at the thought that Drake had pioneered such a thing.

Beyonce has an uncle named Larry Beyince. Bruh....
‏

@DragonflyJonez
Follow Follow @DragonflyJonez
More
Weezy dropped Lollipop as the lead single for C3. Kanye dropped 808s. Day N Nite blew up. All this happened before So Far Gone. Jay even dropped DOA in 09 telling rappers to cut out all that singing. Rap was making the shift to melody being mainstream years before Drake blew
11:30 PM - 26 Nov 2019


Brown and in Austin
@DisraelTV
· Nov 25, 2019
Replying to @joncaramanica
But it.... Already... Worked .... For others...... Wtf?


Sāvion For Congress 🌹

@thesavionwright

RIGHT. This a slap in the face to Lauryn Hill, Nelly, T-Pain, Andre 3000 (OutKast), Akon, Pharrell, Wyclef Jean, and many many more.
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9:21 AM - Nov 26, 2019


Low-Key

@kuhle83

You can’t honestly be serious...like Ja didn’t get ridiculed for singing on the hook, like Nelly didn’t do a whole damn country song with Tim McGraw, like @phontigallo’s whole career hasn’t been about this or that Drake directly BIT Phonte’s whole style...y’all need to research!


Where was the crew love, they wondered, for artists like T-Pain, Lauryn Hill, André 3000, Kanye West, Wyclef Jean and CeeLo Green, who have been rap-singing for ages.

Not to mention Ja Rule, Nelly and Nate Dogg.

And, like, who hasn't gotten in one dance as 50 Cent sang-rapped, "Go shawty/It's ya birthday/We gonna party like it's ya birthday"?

To be fair Drake declared himself a rap-sing pioneer back in 2012 during an interview with The Jewish Chronicle.

"There were people who incorporated melody before me, but I would deem myself the first person to successfully rap and sing," he said.
Still, the Twitter mentions on Caramanica's story wound up being a veritable who's who of folks who'd mastered the art of rap-singing.''


Rapper Phonte, whom Drake has credited as one of his inspirations, even had something to say.

"The more you try to erase me," he tweeted, "the more that I appear"

>...time..but can't..."? © Large Professor
>
>https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/27/entertainment/drake-rap-sing-new-york-times/index.html
>
>
>The New York Times gave Drake credit for rap-singing. People
>aren't having it
>
>Lisa France byline
>
>By Lisa Respers France, CNN
>
>Updated 11:15 AM ET, Wed November 27, 2019
>
>
>Since The New York Times published a critique this week
>claiming Drake pioneered rap-singing -- which it described as
>"singing and rapping all woven together into one holistic
>whole" -- people have been in their feelings and accusing the
>paper of being on its worst behavior.
>
>Here's how it all went down:
>
>
>Jon Caramanica
>✔
>@joncaramanica
> for our end-of-decade package
>
>wrote about how Drake turned rapping into singing
>
>which no one thought would work
>
>and is now the utter and total
>normhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/arts/music/drake-rap-influence.html
>…
>
>
>The paper on Monday ran a piece by pop music critic Jon
>Caramanica headlined, "Rappers are singers now. Thank Drake,"
>as part of its "Decade in Culture" series.
>
>"He fundamentally rewrote the rules of entry for what it meant
>to be a rapper in the 2010s," the article's secondary headline
>about the Canadian rapper reads. "And it seems everyone
>followed."
>
>Twitter reacted with some "Say what now?" at the thought that
>Drake had pioneered such a thing.
>
>Beyonce has an uncle named Larry Beyince. Bruh....
>‏
>
>@DragonflyJonez
>Follow Follow @DragonflyJonez
>More
>Weezy dropped Lollipop as the lead single for C3. Kanye
>dropped 808s. Day N Nite blew up. All this happened before So
>Far Gone. Jay even dropped DOA in 09 telling rappers to cut
>out all that singing. Rap was making the shift to melody being
>mainstream years before Drake blew
>11:30 PM - 26 Nov 2019
>
>
>Brown and in Austin
>@DisraelTV
> · Nov 25, 2019
>Replying to @joncaramanica
>But it.... Already... Worked .... For others...... Wtf?
>
>
>Sāvion For Congress 🌹
>
>@thesavionwright
>
>RIGHT. This a slap in the face to Lauryn Hill, Nelly, T-Pain,
>Andre 3000 (OutKast), Akon, Pharrell, Wyclef Jean, and many
>many more.
>113
>
>9:21 AM - Nov 26, 2019
>
>
>Low-Key
>
>@kuhle83
>
>You can’t honestly be serious...like Ja didn’t get
>ridiculed for singing on the hook, like Nelly didn’t do a
>whole damn country song with Tim McGraw, like @phontigallo’s
>whole career hasn’t been about this or that Drake directly
>BIT Phonte’s whole style...y’all need to research!
>
>
>Where was the crew love, they wondered, for artists like
>T-Pain, Lauryn Hill, André 3000, Kanye West, Wyclef Jean and
>CeeLo Green, who have been rap-singing for ages.
>
>Not to mention Ja Rule, Nelly and Nate Dogg.
>
>And, like, who hasn't gotten in one dance as 50 Cent
>sang-rapped, "Go shawty/It's ya birthday/We gonna party like
>it's ya birthday"?
>
>To be fair Drake declared himself a rap-sing pioneer back in
>2012 during an interview with The Jewish Chronicle.
>
>"There were people who incorporated melody before me, but I
>would deem myself the first person to successfully rap and
>sing," he said.
>Still, the Twitter mentions on Caramanica's story wound up
>being a veritable who's who of folks who'd mastered the art of
>rap-singing.''
>
>
>Rapper Phonte, whom Drake has credited as one of his
>inspirations, even had something to say.
>
>"The more you try to erase me," he tweeted, "the more that I
>appear"

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"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

and they weren't the first to do it either.

please don't think you added anything unknown, based on a cnn writeup

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

didn't see it in the swipe so I ran with it...

I remember folks on here upping John carMonica to the bitter end.

>...time..but can't..."? © Large Professor
>
>https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/27/entertainment/drake-rap-sing-new-york-times/index.html
>
>
>The New York Times gave Drake credit for rap-singing. People
>aren't having it
>
>Lisa France byline
>
>By Lisa Respers France, CNN
>
>Updated 11:15 AM ET, Wed November 27, 2019
>
>
>Since The New York Times published a critique this week
>claiming Drake pioneered rap-singing -- which it described as
>"singing and rapping all woven together into one holistic
>whole" -- people have been in their feelings and accusing the
>paper of being on its worst behavior.
>
>Here's how it all went down:
>
>
>Jon Caramanica
>✔
>@joncaramanica
> for our end-of-decade package
>
>wrote about how Drake turned rapping into singing
>
>which no one thought would work
>
>and is now the utter and total
>normhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/arts/music/drake-rap-influence.html
>…
>
>
>The paper on Monday ran a piece by pop music critic Jon
>Caramanica headlined, "Rappers are singers now. Thank Drake,"
>as part of its "Decade in Culture" series.
>
>"He fundamentally rewrote the rules of entry for what it meant
>to be a rapper in the 2010s," the article's secondary headline
>about the Canadian rapper reads. "And it seems everyone
>followed."
>
>Twitter reacted with some "Say what now?" at the thought that
>Drake had pioneered such a thing.
>
>Beyonce has an uncle named Larry Beyince. Bruh....
>‏
>
>@DragonflyJonez
>Follow Follow @DragonflyJonez
>More
>Weezy dropped Lollipop as the lead single for C3. Kanye
>dropped 808s. Day N Nite blew up. All this happened before So
>Far Gone. Jay even dropped DOA in 09 telling rappers to cut
>out all that singing. Rap was making the shift to melody being
>mainstream years before Drake blew
>11:30 PM - 26 Nov 2019
>
>
>Brown and in Austin
>@DisraelTV
> · Nov 25, 2019
>Replying to @joncaramanica
>But it.... Already... Worked .... For others...... Wtf?
>
>
>Sāvion For Congress 🌹
>
>@thesavionwright
>
>RIGHT. This a slap in the face to Lauryn Hill, Nelly, T-Pain,
>Andre 3000 (OutKast), Akon, Pharrell, Wyclef Jean, and many
>many more.
>113
>
>9:21 AM - Nov 26, 2019
>
>
>Low-Key
>
>@kuhle83
>
>You can’t honestly be serious...like Ja didn’t get
>ridiculed for singing on the hook, like Nelly didn’t do a
>whole damn country song with Tim McGraw, like @phontigallo’s
>whole career hasn’t been about this or that Drake directly
>BIT Phonte’s whole style...y’all need to research!
>
>
>Where was the crew love, they wondered, for artists like
>T-Pain, Lauryn Hill, André 3000, Kanye West, Wyclef Jean and
>CeeLo Green, who have been rap-singing for ages.
>
>Not to mention Ja Rule, Nelly and Nate Dogg.
>
>And, like, who hasn't gotten in one dance as 50 Cent
>sang-rapped, "Go shawty/It's ya birthday/We gonna party like
>it's ya birthday"?
>
>To be fair Drake declared himself a rap-sing pioneer back in
>2012 during an interview with The Jewish Chronicle.
>
>"There were people who incorporated melody before me, but I
>would deem myself the first person to successfully rap and
>sing," he said.
>Still, the Twitter mentions on Caramanica's story wound up
>being a veritable who's who of folks who'd mastered the art of
>rap-singing.''
>
>
>Rapper Phonte, whom Drake has credited as one of his
>inspirations, even had something to say.
>
>"The more you try to erase me," he tweeted, "the more that I
>appear"

creepin thru the hood......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCbwHN07L10

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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

singing and melodies have been part of this since forever.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

..E. 1999 Eternal in '94.

These bloggers are a joke.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

1989


The research department must have been laid off or something.

Saukrates in this video flatly states that it was himself and k-os who perfected the rapping/singing combo and influenced Drake to go that way too: https://youtu.be/VlhfsrViWC0?t=98

Listen to this k-os track from 1993, if that isn't Drake before Drake I don't know what is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE3oDYzwsjU

The thing that bothers me the most is that after Drake blew up he has never put out a song featuring a Canadian MC on one of his albums. Never k-os or Saukrates or Maestro or Michee or Choclair or Classified, or Shad or Ian Kamau etc. I think that is super disrespectful.

ive been avoiding clicking on it due to the paywall.

from the comments i have seen it seems their argument is the same that gives apple credit for their products. its been done before but they made it the standard that everyone copied after.

it's a poor angle argued nonsensically.

it also, curiously, positions meek mill as having a "path to dominance" in other eras of rap that drake stopped him from through the mystical unknown act of rap/singing

which is entirely preposterous, and isn't at all about the decade or drake's influence on other popular rappers.

https://imgur.com/a/244LST9


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

the meek mill section seems odd. not sure if he was just mentioned because their beef was a big moment in the 2010's and a big part of drake's history. i probably need to listen to older meek stuff to have an informed opinion on him.

2000's hiphop definitely did a turn. it didnt start with drake, even the article mentioned kanye (and i think wayne). i think its fair to say that 808s inspired a lot of this. drake was at least a big player in the shift of the sound. i think that sound has reached its climax though. the article seems to say that 2020's will continue the sound but i think right now were are in another transition period.

it would have been cool if the article touched on previous acts that wove singing into rap. im not sure its making the case that drake invented it but i can see how it can be read as such. i would say drakes sound is different than what other acts were doing before him. im not personally a fan of it. when i do listen to drake songs i find i only like songs where hes doing more traditional rapping.

on a deadline

it's a bunch of ideas that some editor needed to put a question mark after, and others that should've been scratched out

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

It's some of the biggest names in rap history that he is apparently unaware of. Get Rich or Die Tryin is one of the biggest albums of all time, and 50 is doing exactly what this guy claims Drake pioneered.

It's like a fine art critic being unaware that Monet ever existed

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i thought maybe this was some kid in his 20s and was just not aware of artists before his time.

he used to write for XXL and vibe. not the best resume lol

is there something similar in rock? an artist getting big using a sound that had been done before and the artist being credited for pioneering it?

but is also a prisoner of the moment.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

i once watched film critic David Edelstein do a piece on stoner movies where he traced their beginnings and history from the 1930’s to 1982’s Fast Times at Ridgemont High, leapfrog completely over 1995’s Friday, right into 1998’s The Big Lebowski to Pineapple Express.

i was legit offended

but then i realized something

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-evolving-enduring-stoner-movie/

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!