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"Trump Ukraine/Whistleblower Scandal"
Tue Sep-24-19 12:33 PM by Reeq

  

          

if this hurts both trump *and* biden then give that whistleblower a nobel prize lol.

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LOL
Sep 24th 2019
1
Depends on exactly what's the in Whistleblower's report.
Sep 24th 2019
2
      yeah im not getting excited for this
Sep 24th 2019
4
      trump already openly admitted to the Ukraine shit tho
Sep 24th 2019
9
      What he admitted to is probably not enough to get the
Sep 24th 2019
11
           i agree, but first things first. Impeach.
Sep 24th 2019
21
      You read it from Trump affiliated leaks in the media
Sep 24th 2019
12
           S/he states directly s/he didn't see or hear any of this firsthand.
Sep 26th 2019
181
Do you see the perpetrator? Yeah I'm right here.
Sep 24th 2019
3
^ right.
Sep 24th 2019
6
Schiff is in contact with the WB and they will be talking tomorrow.
Sep 24th 2019
14
IDK we'll see but this is looking too easy. Trump just turns over the ca...
Sep 24th 2019
29
      resigns and immediately pardoned by pence?
Sep 24th 2019
30
           I can't see resignation. I lean towards this being a distraction
Sep 24th 2019
48
                Maybe it wasn't mixed company at the time.
Sep 24th 2019
50
                What exactly makes you think he's some cagey, strategic genius?
Sep 25th 2019
59
                     He is definitely not playing 4D Chess while everyone else plays checkers
Sep 25th 2019
140
*eats knishes in this poast* . perfect reply. nm
Oct 02nd 2019
449
Trump is wild.
Sep 24th 2019
5
Bruh...this is the 2nd week of 24/7 coverage of this story
Sep 24th 2019
7
huh? did you read what he posted or nah?
Sep 24th 2019
8
RE: We can't talk about Trump's shit on here anymore?
Sep 24th 2019
10
Shouldn't ignore the whistle blower story
Sep 24th 2019
15
      Half that clip was about Trumpster = deflection/distraction
Sep 24th 2019
19
           Yeah it's a disparity in coverage but
Sep 24th 2019
23
                CNN runs a story about Climate Change Now...
Sep 24th 2019
24
                     It's on the CNN World site
Sep 24th 2019
25
                          Right, now compare that to CNN.com
Sep 24th 2019
26
                               No it doesn't look right. I see it but
Sep 24th 2019
28
LoL
Sep 24th 2019
22
lol
Sep 24th 2019
32
So, who’s your favorite transformer.
Sep 24th 2019
13
please, go on
Sep 24th 2019
31
‘This is formal impeachment proceedings’ - Nadler 8.8.19
Sep 24th 2019
35
      no, really don't stop
Sep 25th 2019
65
           They’re “impeaching” based on a report
Sep 25th 2019
69
                yup, keep doing what you're doing
Sep 25th 2019
81
                     Trumpster meets with Ukraine President
Sep 25th 2019
87
                          Ds are “impeaching” based on an anonymous whistleblower
Sep 26th 2019
178
                               holy shit dude.
Sep 26th 2019
180
                                    R U NOT ENTERTAINED!?!
Sep 26th 2019
202
                                         keep going.
Sep 26th 2019
270
                                              I’m hearing a lot of people say
Sep 26th 2019
274
That's why I think it's a con game.
Sep 25th 2019
70
      Then you haven't been paying attention
Sep 26th 2019
218
           the aid was released earlier in the month
Sep 26th 2019
222
           Biden withheld payments of a billion dollars when he was VP
Sep 26th 2019
265
                both of y'all are seemingly purposefully missing the point
Sep 26th 2019
278
                     What law did he break?
Sep 26th 2019
280
                          Can you fucking read ? Good god man.
Sep 26th 2019
281
                          Too early to talk about Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden?
Sep 26th 2019
290
                          THIS PART IS ALREADY THE UNSPOKEN RULE
Oct 13th 2019
553
Pelosi seems to be on board now, which means it will probably
Sep 24th 2019
16
McConnell won't let a trial happen.
Sep 24th 2019
17
      If he doesn't let a trial happen now and then Trump wins in 2020,
Sep 24th 2019
18
           Good question. I'm not sure.
Sep 24th 2019
20
           Yes.
Sep 25th 2019
177
based on how odd the world has been i can see this helping biden
Sep 24th 2019
27
trump is shook.
Sep 24th 2019
33
Senate doing.... say what now?
Sep 24th 2019
34
this actually got me kinda nervous lol.
Sep 24th 2019
36
      He may have made up his mind that he wants Pence to run in 2020
Sep 24th 2019
37
      a few folks notice karen pence has started rebranding herself.
Sep 24th 2019
39
      Pretty sure it's a setup for a bait & switch.
Sep 24th 2019
43
      its suspicious that they keep saying the wh will release the complaint
Sep 24th 2019
45
      Yea I don't trust any of this for a second haha.
Sep 24th 2019
51
Trump wants to work it out with Pelosi lol
Sep 24th 2019
38
you can tell your people to obey the law
Sep 24th 2019
40
Senate voted UNANIMOUSLY to send the WB complaint to Congress
Sep 24th 2019
41
But why now ?
Sep 24th 2019
52
      I think they try to fake the transcript
Sep 24th 2019
55
      This story is so much worst, and easier to prove then the Russian Scanda...
Sep 25th 2019
62
           Yea but his blatant crimes as president are beyond the Russia scandal.
Sep 25th 2019
63
                everything w/Ukraine is a part of the Russia scandal
Sep 26th 2019
221
                     Yep exactly - that too.
Sep 26th 2019
225
you know whats next..
Sep 24th 2019
42
my boy is back!
Sep 24th 2019
44
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9Igtjxw42qVPziy4/giphy.gif
Sep 24th 2019
47
OH SHIT !
Sep 24th 2019
53
LOL nah....you have too many Ls
Sep 24th 2019
54
i said he was goin to prison...nothings changed
Sep 25th 2019
174
      Homie you're being VERY disingenuous.
Sep 25th 2019
175
https://youtu.be/IUWBcZ4XEZ4
Sep 25th 2019
58
you should start upping old posts.. ... like a sports agenda
Sep 25th 2019
60
https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac/giphy.gif
Sep 24th 2019
46
somebody has started throwing giuliani under the bus.
Sep 24th 2019
49
rudy saying he got receipts on the state department in his phone lol.
Sep 24th 2019
56
      This reads...
Sep 25th 2019
61
just to let you know how far corruption is normalized in our country
Sep 24th 2019
57
You can’t shame rich and powerful white people in America.
Sep 25th 2019
67
i'm wondering if its going to be about more than just this?
Sep 25th 2019
64
I didn't hear the whole thing either but she said she wants ...
Sep 25th 2019
66
      yea.. this is a mistake..
Sep 25th 2019
68
wait... the transcript shows exactly what is being claimed? lol
Sep 25th 2019
71
If they released this imagine how bad the stuff we don’t know is
Sep 25th 2019
72
someone said, 'they did a poor job removing crimes from the memo'
Sep 25th 2019
74
      what's hilarious is that, in typical Trump fashion...
Sep 25th 2019
76
RE: wait... the transcript shows exactly what is being claimed? lol
Sep 25th 2019
73
im honestly surprised the transcript was this similar to the acccusation...
Sep 25th 2019
88
Does anyone know if there's a more reliable transcript or a recording?
Sep 25th 2019
75
Apparently standard practice is just to have a few people listen in,
Sep 25th 2019
79
      Got it. Thanks for the explanation
Sep 25th 2019
80
           Also, it sounds like EVENTUALLY...
Sep 25th 2019
82
                Yeah, that might be the road map to where the bodies are buried
Sep 25th 2019
83
                     i don't know about that...
Sep 25th 2019
84
                          lol!
Sep 25th 2019
85
                          LMAO @ Tekashi
Sep 25th 2019
90
                               It is a little weird we have this transcript but NOT the WB complaint.
Sep 25th 2019
92
So Giuliani committed treason or espionage too
Sep 25th 2019
77
that's kinda the other piece i took from all this.
Sep 25th 2019
78
both the dni and the ig referred this to the doj
Sep 25th 2019
86
I saw that...its hard to imagine
Sep 25th 2019
97
      i honestly love the way this played out and hope dems learn from it.
Sep 25th 2019
113
It's like a spy novel written by Elmore Leonard
Sep 25th 2019
89
this shit is hilarious. wtf thinks recall email works?
Sep 25th 2019
91
thank jah these people are idiots.
Sep 25th 2019
94
I'm crying...I'd love to know who sent it
Sep 25th 2019
99
WH Staff Intern Dewey Crowe
Sep 25th 2019
115
Stupid Fucking Watergate
Sep 25th 2019
109
Reality is truly stranger than fiction these days.
Sep 25th 2019
143
btw its not being included in the reporting on this
Sep 25th 2019
93
also this is so much easier for dems to sell than mueller was.
Sep 25th 2019
95
MUCH easier. Even I think this could amount to something.
Sep 25th 2019
100
      if *this* doesnt move the needle at all
Sep 25th 2019
103
           Well, but how many times have we said that?
Sep 25th 2019
112
                fair points all around.
Sep 25th 2019
146
                     2018 was definitely a referendum on Trump,
Sep 25th 2019
166
If this doesn't take Trump down, it strengthens him
Sep 25th 2019
96
his base is always gonna be fired up. fox news keeps them that way.
Sep 25th 2019
106
Yes - but if they launch impeachment, they need to win
Sep 25th 2019
114
      ^correction: Clinton impeachment was devastating to Republicans
Sep 25th 2019
138
      clinton impeachment was not devastating to repubs. thats a myth.
Sep 25th 2019
141
           ^
Sep 25th 2019
144
           But honestly I see a lot of wishful thinking in this revisionist history...
Sep 25th 2019
149
           2008 ?
Sep 25th 2019
173
                Sorry. I meant 1998.
Sep 25th 2019
176
           Thank you...by the way
Sep 25th 2019
152
           Trump should've been impeached 2 years ago.
Sep 25th 2019
154
                true. And he should be today
Sep 25th 2019
164
           I think you're only looking at the numbers, sans context.
Sep 25th 2019
153
      honestly its not hard for dems to 'win' impeachment
Sep 25th 2019
139
           ^
Sep 25th 2019
145
           by "win' I mean actually succeeding in impeachment proceedings.
Sep 25th 2019
150
                so swing voters will go for taking their insurance
Sep 25th 2019
157
                     slow down - you're projecting an awful lot.
Sep 25th 2019
168
Pelosi in charge is a major difference.
Sep 26th 2019
185
      Please expound.
Sep 26th 2019
247
      Based on what exactly?
Sep 26th 2019
259
      me too. i'd prefer to see Schiff in charge, tbh
Sep 26th 2019
269
           Hell yes - agree a trillion %.
Sep 26th 2019
282
      I don't get the Pelosi adulation
Sep 26th 2019
279
      RE: Pelosi in charge is a major difference.
Sep 28th 2019
319
White House sends Ukrain talking points to Dems (by accident)
Sep 25th 2019
98
Tori Q is on indeed.com right about now lol
Sep 25th 2019
102
One of the most concerning things to me: what is Giuliani's job?
Sep 25th 2019
101
Whatever is on Nosferatu's job description.
Sep 25th 2019
105
co-conspirator.
Sep 25th 2019
108
      Senior Co-Conspirator
Sep 25th 2019
116
           Executive Vice President in charge of Co-Conspiracy.
Sep 25th 2019
120
I give a 30% chance the Senate Republicans use this as their
Sep 25th 2019
104
repub mike murphy: 30 repub senators would vote to impeach
Sep 25th 2019
107
If 8 - 9 would come out in favor of it, they would be able to get at lea...
Sep 25th 2019
110
any bets on other people coming forward?
Sep 25th 2019
111
Pardon my severe ignorance on all this
Sep 25th 2019
117
They can only kill the trial/removal. The impeachment is in the House.
Sep 25th 2019
118
RE: Pardon my severe ignorance on all this
Sep 25th 2019
119
Thanks for the breakdown.
Sep 25th 2019
121
It's a political circus.
Sep 25th 2019
126
But Mitch has the power to determine when (and therefore if)...
Sep 25th 2019
123
      Yes - Kiev Mitch -- which again begs the question if you're a Democrat:
Sep 25th 2019
127
           One of the rare occasions where you and I agree.
Sep 25th 2019
128
                RE: One of the rare occasions where you and I agree.
Sep 25th 2019
130
                Out of curiosity, how many of the
Sep 25th 2019
132
                As of this morning here was the list of House Dems not on board:
Sep 25th 2019
134
                Nytimes.com has a live counter on their main page.
Sep 25th 2019
137
                     nice! Just saw that live counter. They'll get that 8, of course.
Sep 25th 2019
156
                          LOL, up to 213 now. Need 5 more.
Sep 25th 2019
162
                They've been relatively quiet on it, probably in part for that reason.
Sep 25th 2019
135
                To be fair, Tulsi is against impeachment (shocker)
Sep 25th 2019
151
                     She is such fucking trash
Sep 25th 2019
172
                     Actually - no she's not.
Sep 27th 2019
301
Yes but then they have to put it on their record
Sep 25th 2019
122
      I don't think they even have to go on record.
Sep 25th 2019
124
           ah damn
Sep 25th 2019
125
                I mean the press might be able to put people on record.
Sep 25th 2019
131
It’s not gonna go anywhere because Senate Republicans are punks.
Sep 25th 2019
129
Forget the senate - the house is where the action is
Sep 25th 2019
142
House voting for impeachment is a foregone conclusion though.
Sep 25th 2019
155
Nah the Senate is where the action is on this.
Sep 25th 2019
161
good. let them run on covering for a corrupt president in 2020.
Sep 25th 2019
147
      ^^This here
Sep 25th 2019
165
Trump & co scared AF
Sep 25th 2019
133
acting dni threatened to resign if trump restrained his testimony
Sep 25th 2019
136
fuck pete davidson for elevating this dickhead:
Sep 25th 2019
148
fuck that pirate one eyed willie clown piece of shit...
Sep 25th 2019
158
in the eyehole
Sep 25th 2019
163
the most basic search of facts debunks the entire biden thing
Sep 25th 2019
160
This CLOWN is talking abut the Election results again.. OMG
Sep 25th 2019
159
what’s up with the reporters?
Sep 25th 2019
167
Russian Bots
Sep 25th 2019
169
Challenge him how?
Sep 25th 2019
170
      that he’s not answering the question...
Sep 25th 2019
171
Consciousness of guilt. Coverup.
Sep 26th 2019
179
LOL nunes is BOOOOMBING
Sep 26th 2019
182
None of the Dems are asking about what's in the complaint, though.
Sep 26th 2019
184
these hearings are so frustrating.
Sep 26th 2019
187
      Someone at 538 had what I thought was a plausible explanation.
Sep 26th 2019
205
maguire wasn't giving him the answers that he wanted
Sep 26th 2019
191
WTF Tekashi45!?!
Sep 26th 2019
183
to let repubs know pence is gone too and pelosi will be prez.
Sep 26th 2019
186
Yup. People forget: Trump doesn't give a shit about Republicans.
Sep 26th 2019
209
      But he gives a shit about staying in power.
Sep 26th 2019
216
           Yup.
Sep 26th 2019
223
He's thinking this will stick to Pence and not him
Sep 26th 2019
226
whistleblower said theres a secret stash of tapes just like watergate
Sep 26th 2019
188
the fact that a lot of dems want to hurry through this whole process
Sep 26th 2019
189
jackie speier finally doing the lords work.
Sep 26th 2019
193
RE: whistleblower said theres a secret stash of tapes just like waterga...
Sep 26th 2019
197
      here ya go
Sep 26th 2019
200
           i just take that to mean transcripts
Sep 26th 2019
207
                oh i didnt mean tapes literally.
Sep 26th 2019
211
                i guess i was being hopefuly
Sep 26th 2019
217
                The claim (and I heard this even before the WB report came out)...
Sep 26th 2019
212
                     I must have misunderstood this.
Sep 26th 2019
255
                          i think the closest i remember reading was an app
Sep 26th 2019
273
this hearing is fun!
Sep 26th 2019
190
These Republicans are Spineless
Sep 26th 2019
192
completely corrupt.
Sep 26th 2019
195
House Intelligence Committee releases Whistleblower Complaint
Sep 26th 2019
194
"Dan Coats timing is better than mine." hilarity
Sep 26th 2019
196
If darkness can't cast out darkness corruption can't cast out corruption
Sep 26th 2019
198
I'm here for the theater. Thank you tho
Sep 26th 2019
206
Coats heard about that report and was like Nah, I'm out.
Sep 26th 2019
199
      Shit is wild. Trump putting pressure on the entire eastern block
Sep 26th 2019
208
coverage of these hearings should do a better job emphasizing the fact
Sep 26th 2019
201
Again, Only OKP can do it better.... SMH.
Sep 26th 2019
203
Dems need to call that out with bullhorns
Sep 26th 2019
215
Rudy is not built for this
Sep 26th 2019
204
Rudy is giving non trump media one story and fox another
Sep 26th 2019
210
oddly enough he said that on fox too lol.
Sep 26th 2019
213
this man is a lawyer!!!!!
Sep 26th 2019
224
with lawyers like these who needs enemies!
Sep 26th 2019
229
Guiliani6ix9ine's descent into madness is *chef's kiss*
Sep 26th 2019
228
the best part about having these hearings in the daytime...
Sep 26th 2019
214
Will this circle back around to the Manafort mess at some point?
Sep 26th 2019
219
absolutely. it will and already has. the dots are connected
Sep 26th 2019
220
lost in all the noise: this is the *2nd* time trump threatened
Sep 26th 2019
233
      smh
Sep 26th 2019
238
After viewing the Acting DNI's testimony, i think he's sincere
Sep 26th 2019
227
when he first got elevated the reporting said he didnt want the job.
Sep 26th 2019
231
ok that I can agree with..you said it better than me
Sep 26th 2019
234
^^^ see: his smirk at "This is life under a Democrat controlled house"
Sep 26th 2019
271
Sincere ? nah
Sep 26th 2019
232
Not saying he was right to do that, however
Sep 26th 2019
236
i disagree
Sep 26th 2019
262
      I dunno. You have a point but I also think ...
Sep 26th 2019
284
           its not
Sep 27th 2019
295
oh look. impeachment not looking so bad for dems among the public.
Sep 26th 2019
230
I think you hit it on the head several times
Sep 26th 2019
242
Pelosi shouldn't get credit, but she's handled this the right way
Sep 26th 2019
246
RE: Pelosi shouldn't get credit, but she's handled this the right way
Sep 26th 2019
252
      i hear you
Sep 26th 2019
266
pelosi could have jumped the gun just to please the base.
Sep 26th 2019
251
      meh I think that is a reach
Sep 26th 2019
256
           fam i specifically mentioned myself as someone
Sep 26th 2019
261
another poll:
Sep 26th 2019
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another one:
Sep 26th 2019
249
and another:
Sep 26th 2019
258
i give pelosi zero credit. none
Sep 26th 2019
264
There is no smarter strategist in politics than Nancy Pelosi.
Sep 26th 2019
268
I'm trying to tell people.
Sep 30th 2019
343
Republicans demonize literally every democrat.
Sep 30th 2019
347
ok now that you've laid it out like that, wow...yes
Sep 30th 2019
351
      The 2005 Social Security showdown alone...
Sep 30th 2019
377
politico poll: highest support for impeachment of trumps presidency.
Sep 26th 2019
277
nytimes soft unmasking the whistleblower.
Sep 26th 2019
235
This seems to be very irresponsible of the Times.
Sep 26th 2019
237
the whistleblowers attorney denounced it.
Sep 26th 2019
239
here's audio of Trump implying we need to kill the whistleblower's sourc...
Sep 26th 2019
241
Whoa holy shit.
Sep 26th 2019
243
the more he talks, the more it helps Dems man
Sep 26th 2019
244
      I still have trust issues brother hahah.
Sep 26th 2019
250
           I hear you
Sep 26th 2019
260
                Oh for sure.
Sep 26th 2019
285
                     I'm tempted
Sep 27th 2019
313
It's pretty sad
Sep 26th 2019
245
the shit that repub politicians/voters give him a pass on is deplorable.
Sep 26th 2019
253
He's a symptom, not the problem.
Sep 26th 2019
254
The voters I can somewhat stomach
Sep 26th 2019
263
funny that he uses the word treason
Sep 26th 2019
257
      Haha yea I had a laugh about that too. So obviously insane.
Sep 26th 2019
286
i really fail to understand dean baquet
Sep 26th 2019
272
black women are consistently the best thing on cable news.
Sep 26th 2019
240
I’m not sold...
Sep 26th 2019
267
The trade deal with China will happen once the hearings are underway
Sep 26th 2019
275
Either that or that's when he blows the whole thing up.
Sep 26th 2019
276
Possible. He'll do anything to avoid feelings of responsibility
Sep 26th 2019
288
You always find the silver lining in Trump's
Sep 26th 2019
283
      I didn't say it would be a good deal
Sep 26th 2019
287
I'm CRINE
Sep 26th 2019
289
Monica Zelensky
Sep 27th 2019
291
tulsi gabbard becomes the 1st republican to support impeachment inquiry.
Sep 27th 2019
292
LOL
Sep 27th 2019
293
*pats shiny ass chest with red hanky*
Sep 27th 2019
294
2nd republican comes out in favor of impeachment inquiry.
Sep 27th 2019
296
Funny thing is, Tulsi is lightyears more progressive and Democratic
Sep 27th 2019
302
her and her long history as a progressive since *checks notes* 2017.
Sep 27th 2019
306
      LOL
Sep 27th 2019
312
That was a quick change
Sep 28th 2019
318
Ukraine envoy has resigned lol
Sep 27th 2019
297
news broken by a freak'n school newspaper
Sep 27th 2019
298
nytimes had the potential scoop of a lifetime with rudy and ukraine
Sep 27th 2019
303
i was told the impeachment inquiry was supposed to be bad for dems.
Sep 27th 2019
300
      honestly for me this was the most disappointing of takes
Sep 28th 2019
330
           SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS
Sep 29th 2019
334
white house confirms ukraine transcript moved to codeword server.
Sep 27th 2019
299
Also put calls with MBS and Putin in there
Sep 27th 2019
304
      nothing to see here (c)
Sep 27th 2019
305
We've gotten to the ch*ld p*rn uploaded at Mar-a-lago part of the story
Sep 27th 2019
307
somebody is clearly pissed off.
Sep 27th 2019
308
nm
Sep 28th 2019
317
trump told russians he didnt care about them interfering in election.
Sep 27th 2019
309
the dominoes are falling
Sep 27th 2019
310
you are doing the lord's work
Sep 27th 2019
311
thx good brother.
Sep 27th 2019
314
      i want her to fukkin lose
Sep 27th 2019
315
           sameski.
Sep 27th 2019
316
Serious question though:
Sep 28th 2019
322
      LOL
Sep 28th 2019
323
      LOL serious question
Sep 28th 2019
324
      let's not even get into the irony of "navajo" in your name
Sep 30th 2019
345
      fam.
Sep 28th 2019
326
      K. Guess we're all riding with Kissinger foreign policy now.
Sep 29th 2019
332
      America is missing this part of its brain
Sep 29th 2019
337
      Right. It really cheapens the claims of outrage.
Sep 29th 2019
340
      We can break into houses all day but when ours gets broken into
Sep 30th 2019
344
      basically.
Sep 30th 2019
346
      Right.
Sep 30th 2019
348
      everyone knows our foreign policy is trash
Sep 30th 2019
350
      well, clearly not *everyone* know this.
Sep 30th 2019
352
      good lord LOLLLL
Oct 01st 2019
394
      America is full of smug & self righteous hypocrites
Oct 13th 2019
552
list of whistleblower details that have been confirmed so far:
Sep 28th 2019
320
heres a graphic on the change in public opinion during watergate
Sep 28th 2019
321
back on their 'but her emails' bullshit!
Sep 28th 2019
325
all i want in this world is a dem president
Sep 28th 2019
327
they gotta be trolling right?
Sep 28th 2019
328
that's straight out of the Five Heartbeats
Sep 28th 2019
329
I 100% think this is a good thing.
Sep 29th 2019
336
RE: they gotta be trolling right?
Sep 29th 2019
339
what's the lead?
Sep 29th 2019
331
u mad
Sep 29th 2019
341
and uninformed. a dangerous combination.
Sep 30th 2019
349
are you being serious?
Sep 30th 2019
354
333!
Sep 29th 2019
333
So how much longer does white America have? 60 80 years max
Sep 29th 2019
335
I'm really trying to say is how is this country going to survive this?
Sep 29th 2019
338
the president's tweeter feed is a fukkin mess, lol
Sep 29th 2019
342
now Australia is involved...
Sep 30th 2019
353
things are rolling right along
Sep 30th 2019
355
Italy and Great Britain also
Sep 30th 2019
364
He could have easily just not done any of this like a rational person
Sep 30th 2019
356
right
Sep 30th 2019
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dude steps on every rake in front of him.
Sep 30th 2019
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If there's one thing that Drumf likes to do, it's the same thing over & ...
Sep 30th 2019
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      he only thinks in terms of branding
Sep 30th 2019
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anyone watch last week tonight?
Sep 30th 2019
357
i havent seen it but dude is essentially if mr bean became pm of the uk.
Sep 30th 2019
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the whistleblower/leaks just goes to show how cowardly
Sep 30th 2019
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and that they are 'patriots'
Sep 30th 2019
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      seriously all them dudes did was stop trump
Sep 30th 2019
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and pompeo was on the call with ukraine after playing dumb for a week.
Sep 30th 2019
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i think their strategy is to commit SO many crimes/impeachable offenses
Sep 30th 2019
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      Ah the old "They cant stop us all lets see dem aliens" defense
Sep 30th 2019
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           Giuliani be on TV like
Sep 30th 2019
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           Indestructible like Mr Burns.
Sep 30th 2019
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                Definitely
Sep 30th 2019
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wtf was mueller doing for 18 months?
Sep 30th 2019
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In hindsight what a fucking cowardly disappointment he was.
Sep 30th 2019
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that is such a dumb statement
Oct 01st 2019
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stfu
Oct 01st 2019
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      lol
Oct 01st 2019
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      ^^^^^
Oct 01st 2019
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      LOL :)~
Oct 04th 2019
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I disagree
Oct 01st 2019
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      The report was DAMNING but hardly damaging IMO.
Oct 01st 2019
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           exactly...I can't believe folks are STILL fans of this dude
Oct 01st 2019
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           ken starr briefed media almost daily during the clinton investigation.
Oct 01st 2019
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                Ken Starr also had a different job.
Oct 01st 2019
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                     the special counsel (post 1999 expiration) still maintains
Oct 01st 2019
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                          Yessah.
Oct 01st 2019
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huh? are you serious?
Oct 01st 2019
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Fair enough. But I don't think 45* suffered much from it.
Oct 01st 2019
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sis its all about the big fish
Oct 01st 2019
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      Preach.
Oct 01st 2019
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      no doubt. like i said he's no hero
Oct 04th 2019
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Nah
Oct 01st 2019
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Protecting Republicans and the Establishment, like he always does
Oct 01st 2019
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      Pretty much.
Oct 01st 2019
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      yeah repubs ultimately look out for repubs.
Oct 01st 2019
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           Conservatives be playing the LONG ball
Oct 01st 2019
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           party above everything.
Oct 01st 2019
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                this is how i know most ppl dont know shit abt politics
Oct 02nd 2019
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                     100.
Oct 02nd 2019
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           Scream it from the rooftops.
Oct 01st 2019
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Pompeo and Gorka's Excellent Adventure
Sep 30th 2019
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This shit is bonkers
Sep 30th 2019
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How you should be feeling about all this (vid)
Sep 30th 2019
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LOL
Oct 01st 2019
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Yes, nothing will come from the Ukraine thing
Oct 01st 2019
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      If nothing comes of all of this, the 2020 election is (probably) doomed
Oct 01st 2019
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      One thing that likely comes of the Ukraine thing...
Oct 01st 2019
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           It's weird agreeing with you lol
Oct 01st 2019
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           I don't really think candidates *are* throwing all their eggs ..
Oct 01st 2019
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                Right. And people are overblowing what Senate acquittal would do
Oct 01st 2019
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                     This for sure.
Oct 01st 2019
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           One thing that likely comes of the Ukraine thing...Biden is the nominee
Oct 01st 2019
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                lol what ?
Oct 01st 2019
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                Pay him no mind.
Oct 01st 2019
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                Great post...would read again
Oct 01st 2019
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                     "I know you are but what am I ?!?" © bentagain
Oct 01st 2019
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                No...Pelosi is.
Oct 01st 2019
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                     Unfortunately this is prolly true.
Oct 02nd 2019
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                     RNC raised $125M in the 3rd quarter
Oct 02nd 2019
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                     Nah
Oct 02nd 2019
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                This is a good point that most aren't getting:
Oct 01st 2019
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                     R Senate delayed a supreme court nomination for over a year
Oct 01st 2019
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                     1 year since Khashoggi was murdered by MBS
Oct 02nd 2019
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Yeah this is where I'm at with it
Oct 01st 2019
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I love it. This lets me know Trump is not CIA, NSA or FBI affiliated
Oct 01st 2019
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pompeo tried to play tough guy lol.
Oct 01st 2019
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pelosi *and* schiff to hold a press conference tomorrow
Oct 01st 2019
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Can't Pompeo be arrested ?
Oct 01st 2019
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      So many people could be arrested for contempt/obstruction.
Oct 02nd 2019
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           Yea, right right.
Oct 02nd 2019
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sidenote: the head of dhs says he has lost control of his own agency
Oct 01st 2019
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white house upgraded codeword system to track/minimize leaks.
Oct 01st 2019
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poll: only 40% of repubs believe trump talked about investigating biden
Oct 01st 2019
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Republicans are trash.
Oct 01st 2019
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I mean polls can't be taken at face value like this.
Oct 02nd 2019
428
Here's a blog for analytical impeachment coverage for those interested.
Oct 02nd 2019
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savvy move by pelosi to get dc media to tune into her press conference
Oct 02nd 2019
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Yea was just talking about both these things with my friend.
Oct 02nd 2019
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schumer looks like he is ready to pack it in.
Oct 02nd 2019
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folks stay underestimating her tho lol
Oct 04th 2019
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one of the underrated short term benefits to an impeachment inquiry
Oct 02nd 2019
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The entire thing is unraveling.
Oct 02nd 2019
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i saw someone tweet 'the people vs larry swamp' lol.
Oct 02nd 2019
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Wait, isn't that press conference about to happen?
Oct 02nd 2019
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      yeah i meant the 1st sitdown joint.
Oct 02nd 2019
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omg..its awesome watching this bastard unravel in front of the world
Oct 02nd 2019
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it really is
Oct 03rd 2019
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Shifty Shift, corrupt CNN, bright eyed n bushy tailed
Oct 02nd 2019
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Two weeks in this, no inquiry yet, and he's already coming apart
Oct 02nd 2019
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RE: Two weeks in this, no inquiry yet, and he's already coming apart
Oct 02nd 2019
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trump and pence teams are leaking on each other.
Oct 02nd 2019
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yeah. its over.
Oct 02nd 2019
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3 *republican* senators sent letter to ukraine echoing biden.
Oct 03rd 2019
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this keeps getting wilder each day
Oct 03rd 2019
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Yep.
Oct 03rd 2019
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https://media.giphy.com/media/lTB6FKY1fmAZhhv1En/giphy.gif
Oct 03rd 2019
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Trump on Thursday: China should investigate the Bidens
Oct 03rd 2019
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Ha but it's working/has always worked for him.
Oct 03rd 2019
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      If he does it out in the open, then it can't be bad
Oct 03rd 2019
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house minority leader mccarthy calls for pelosi to suspend inquiry.
Oct 03rd 2019
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the amount of noise is concerning
Oct 03rd 2019
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      the waters are kinda muddy but i do see dems saying that.
Oct 03rd 2019
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      The murky messaging has always been my biggest issue
Oct 03rd 2019
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      What ?
Oct 03rd 2019
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           LOL. If I had half a penny everytime someone responded ...
Oct 03rd 2019
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           lol
Oct 03rd 2019
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           So, in addition to being unable to have a constructive exchange...
Oct 03rd 2019
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                My dude it's been said more than once ...
Oct 03rd 2019
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           Nah, protecting Biden and the donor class he represents is a legit
Oct 03rd 2019
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      No they're doing a pretty poor job, as expected.
Oct 03rd 2019
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      people forget that in a true democracy, there's no perfect alignment
Oct 04th 2019
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           ? that doesn't apply here
Oct 04th 2019
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                first of all
Nov 11th 2019
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i shouldnt still be amazed by the cognitive dissonance on the right
Oct 03rd 2019
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RE: i shouldnt still be amazed by the cognitive dissonance on the right
Oct 03rd 2019
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It's often really hard to see through all the fog but ...
Oct 03rd 2019
470
People still fly confederate flags 150 years later
Oct 03rd 2019
474
MAGA would be the latest Heritage not Hate
Oct 04th 2019
497
They don't care about any of that. Which is why focusing on
Oct 03rd 2019
475
I do wonder if things would shift even a little if some more GOP
Oct 03rd 2019
476
Yea this is it right here.
Oct 03rd 2019
483
how repub voters dont see trump is blatantly full of shit
Oct 03rd 2019
477
It's not cognitive dissonance- most Republicans are plain liars
Oct 03rd 2019
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they're more concerned about protecting thier interests than
Oct 13th 2019
554
how many smoking guns are we gonna get? (new text messages)
Oct 03rd 2019
467
LOL
Oct 03rd 2019
471
& then the envoy to the EU says "let's take this off text I disagree"
Oct 03rd 2019
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i'm just really surprised tax returns haven't leaked yet
Oct 03rd 2019
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Agreed. I'ma try and find the article but I thought I saw something ...
Oct 03rd 2019
484
      Here it is: IRS WB
Oct 03rd 2019
486
Trump done
Oct 03rd 2019
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he's done... but not because of the GOP
Oct 04th 2019
487
      Unfortunately, the Electoral College gives him a shot
Oct 04th 2019
488
      I really want to someday find out what the hell happened here.
Oct 04th 2019
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and here we are still searching for the elusive republican..
Oct 04th 2019
490
Let's focus!!
Oct 04th 2019
496
**raises hand**
Oct 04th 2019
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oh look. a republican senator was told about the quid pro quo in august
Oct 04th 2019
499
s/o to julian castro for turning the heat up. all dems should join in.
Oct 04th 2019
502
btw yall boy chuck 'both sides' todd been letting his nuts hang lately.
Oct 04th 2019
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Nevermind
Oct 04th 2019
501
trump throwing rick perry under the bus lol.
Oct 05th 2019
503
so there's potentially up to 7 whistleblowers about to come forward?
Oct 06th 2019
504
No good
Oct 06th 2019
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      seriously
Oct 07th 2019
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      I mean. I get what you guys are saying.
Oct 07th 2019
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           i guess im worried about the spin
Oct 07th 2019
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      LOL. "Why present seven witnesses to a multitude of crimes...
Oct 07th 2019
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      Snark all you want
Oct 07th 2019
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           You know what's easier to discredit than seven people? One person
Oct 08th 2019
514
                THIS
Oct 08th 2019
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                     F'real.
Oct 08th 2019
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                     except they’re leading everyone else
Oct 09th 2019
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      I disagree on this.
Oct 07th 2019
509
           Well said - correct.
Oct 07th 2019
510
                I honestly think the real determining factor is still economic shifts.
Oct 07th 2019
512
Trump/White House Official Defense: The president is above the law.
Oct 09th 2019
517
Trump just FUCK YO COUCH to the Impeachment Inquiry
Oct 09th 2019
518
      i hate that they found the cheat codes to the government
Oct 10th 2019
523
Two Giuliani comrades arrested on campaign finance charges.
Oct 10th 2019
520
i honestly wonder if this was to stop them from testifying
Oct 10th 2019
521
I think it's to force them to testify bc they weren't expected to appear
Oct 10th 2019
522
also it is making clear that 45 is fucked in NYC once he finally leaves ...
Oct 10th 2019
524
arrested at the airport while trying to leave the country
Oct 10th 2019
525
      less than 12 hours after AG Barr was told about the investigation
Oct 10th 2019
526
      WOW.....
Oct 10th 2019
527
      2 one way tickets to Epsteinland
Oct 10th 2019
528
      giuliani was also planning to fly to vienna tonight.
Oct 10th 2019
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      they say his pirate limp gave him away
Oct 10th 2019
531
      👍🏾
Oct 12th 2019
540
      "They might be tapin'" (c)E-40
Oct 10th 2019
533
trump: i dont know these niggas.
Oct 10th 2019
530
      not THEM niggas!
Oct 10th 2019
532
      Those fuckin smiles.
Oct 11th 2019
535
senior advisor to mike pompeo resigns.
Oct 10th 2019
534
Shepard Smith abruptly leaving Fox News.
Oct 11th 2019
536
wonder if it has to do with barr meeting with murdoch
Oct 11th 2019
537
These nimrods sent their talking points to Democrats AGAIN.
Oct 11th 2019
538
crazy part is the media now has access to these talking points
Oct 12th 2019
539
MSNBC giving Giuliani tips on how NOT to incriminate himself
Oct 12th 2019
541
The U.S selling out the Kurds...
Oct 12th 2019
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I agree.
Oct 12th 2019
543
Not sure I follow you here:
Oct 23rd 2019
574
trump is executing putins plan for syria.
Oct 12th 2019
544
he's certainly not doing anything in America's interests
Oct 13th 2019
556
U.S. military evacuating and withdrawing from northern Syria
Oct 13th 2019
555
RE: Trump Ukraine/Whistleblower Scandal
Oct 12th 2019
545
trump is done (narrative-wise).
Oct 12th 2019
546
That text was the written equivalent to this:
Oct 12th 2019
547
      EXCELLENT pull
Oct 13th 2019
551
Trump has POISONED the courts , he'll survive
Oct 13th 2019
548
William Barr is evener CRAZIER than Trump
Oct 13th 2019
549
trump met with giuliani for lunch today
Oct 13th 2019
550
Yo... the erdogan letter... wtf
Oct 17th 2019
557
It's like a letter from your barely literate landlord regarding
Oct 17th 2019
558
My favorite is the ending.
Oct 17th 2019
559
If you read each sentence as a tweet in his voice, it all makes sense
Oct 17th 2019
560
https://twitter.com/TonyAtamanuik/status/1184583773167538176
Oct 17th 2019
561
president villain
Oct 18th 2019
565
get over it
Oct 17th 2019
562
Walked it back
Oct 17th 2019
563
      It's incredible that these dudes somehow still have power.
Oct 18th 2019
564
mitch: my name is bennett
Oct 22nd 2019
566
u.s. top envoy to ukraine: yeah its exactly what yall think it is
Oct 22nd 2019
567
READ: Taylor’s Damning Testimony On Ukraine Pressure Campaign
Oct 22nd 2019
568
      So basically they were trying to extort him across several vectors ...
Oct 22nd 2019
569
           even worse (and more explicitly politically motivated)
Oct 22nd 2019
570
                Yep. Way worse than innuendo - which was bad enough.
Oct 22nd 2019
571
                you're right, but justice died in the Republican party.
Oct 22nd 2019
572
Pence’s Big Bro Is Sitting In On Congress’s Impeachment Depositions
Oct 23rd 2019
573
Damn. That corruption runs hella deep.
Oct 23rd 2019
575
Poor Rudy
Oct 25th 2019
576
Ohhhhh shit. Mr Trump really might not survive this.
Oct 29th 2019
577
i swear they ask themselves what did nixon do
Oct 29th 2019
578
You know better, strav.
Oct 31st 2019
579
Fox and them already trying to paint this respected decorated vet
Oct 31st 2019
580
      Yea I loved this.
Oct 31st 2019
581
      Gee, that sounds an awful lot like something else.
Oct 31st 2019
582
           tears of a clown
Oct 31st 2019
583
           ha
Oct 31st 2019
584
these transcripts
Nov 05th 2019
585
We should probably call it what it is; Extortion
Nov 05th 2019
586

walihorse
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1. "LOL"
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I called Nancy's office voicing support for impeachment. I seriously doubt it will happen though.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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2. "Depends on exactly what's the in Whistleblower's report."
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I read something that said the whistleblower him/herself didn't actually hear Trump say xyz, and I haven't had to time to try to get to the bottom of that. If the WB heard Trump directly, he's going to get impeached. But if it turns out to be hearsay, this will be more egg on the D's faces, and impeachment will never happen.

  

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mista k5
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4. "yeah im not getting excited for this"
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Damali
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9. "trump already openly admitted to the Ukraine shit tho"
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whatever the WB heard/saw will be gravy

Trump and Guiliani's words are already enough to impeach

  

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Teknontheou
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11. "What he admitted to is probably not enough to get the "
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requisite number of R votes to remove in the senate. So the specifics of the report are more than just gravy, they're still vital to everything.

  

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Damali
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21. "i agree, but first things first. Impeach."
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12. "You read it from Trump affiliated leaks in the media"
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That was the initial drop, which was followed by deep state conspiracy mongering, and attacks on the political affiliation of the whistleblower
Subsequent leaks have said, paraphrasing, “this is about more than one call”

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181. "S/he states directly s/he didn't see or hear any of this firsthand."
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But at this point, that probably won't make a difference. The whistle blower complaint is written in a way that seems to fall just short of naming names of sources, so that the House democratic prosecutors will have a very short list of people to subpoena and interview about very specific allegations. It was written as a sort of treasure map.

  

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3. "Do you see the perpetrator? Yeah I'm right here."
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Trump is probably the whistle blower

______________________________________

Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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6. "^ right."
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14. "Schiff is in contact with the WB and they will be talking tomorrow."
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So the Trump-plant angle seems to have no legs (I thought it was very possible, too, but apparently that's not what this is.)

  

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29. "IDK we'll see but this is looking too easy. Trump just turns over the ca..."
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But keeps an iron grip on his tax records? Fishy

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30. "resigns and immediately pardoned by pence?"
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ugh im getting into this lol

  

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Atillah Moor
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48. "I can't see resignation. I lean towards this being a distraction"
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That will bolster his base and or weaken the dollar which is something he wants

It could also just be self destruction as a result of narcissitic personality disorder, but it's hard to imagine him unintentionally saying something incriminating in mixed company

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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Brew
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50. "Maybe it wasn't mixed company at the time."
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And/or maybe he's so emboldened by the previous absence of any response from dems whatsoever that he got sloppy.

Less likely, but still possible, is that dems have been playing the long con all along and have been getting key information from this whistleblower for many months, only to leak bits and pieces to lure Individual 1 into their trap. Hence why at first we only knew of a phone call, followed by reports that the WB had given them a lot of information and that the phone call was only a small piece.

I have no faith that the latter is the case here. But it's possible.


>It could also just be self destruction as a result of
>narcissitic personality disorder, but it's hard to imagine him
>unintentionally saying something incriminating in mixed
>company
>

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59. "What exactly makes you think he's some cagey, strategic genius?"
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>It could also just be self destruction as a result of
>narcissitic personality disorder, but it's hard to imagine him
>unintentionally saying something incriminating in mixed
>company
>

He isn't some criminal Mastermind, Dude's been fucking up most of his life, he's just been shielded from the consequences by his (inherited) money and celebrity

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

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140. "He is definitely not playing 4D Chess while everyone else plays checkers"
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It's just that full blown narcissists have a predictable pattern of behavior oriented around distraction and confusion.

It's something they are very very good at because it's been how they've lived their entire lives more or less.

He knows what he's doing but not if or when it's too far

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449. "*eats knishes in this poast* . perfect reply. nm"
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peace & blessings,

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5. "Trump is wild."
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“It was the evidence from science and history that prompted me to abandon my atheism and become a Christian.” — Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ

The Case for Christ Lecture: https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k

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7. "Bruh...this is the 2nd week of 24/7 coverage of this story"
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How don't you see the distraction/deflection?

Do we really need more evidence of impeachable offenses?

Ds aren't going to impeach

They kicked that can down the road for 3 years

Ds looking real bitchmade these days.

Ya'll fall for the same bullshit every single time

...and do Ds really want to go down this rabbit hole...

If Ivanka was given a seat on the board of one of Russia's biggest energy firms...MFers would be crying foul

That's the string ya'll want to pull on?

What happened to staying on message about issues that voters really care about...

healthcare
climate change
gun control
etc...

every minute spent on Trumpster's bullshit is an L for Ds.

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8. "huh? did you read what he posted or nah?"
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It was a very, very short post- so you should have been able to read it.

You seem to be having conversations with imaginary people lately.


We can't talk about Trump's shit on here anymore? Word?


Like he said, maybe it takes down Trump and Biden. Wins all around.

*Probably not of course, but its a fucking message board*

  

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10. "RE: We can't talk about Trump's shit on here anymore?"
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What has that produced?

It's week 2 of a worldwide focus on climate change

We're watching outlets focus on anything but.

This is not news IRT Biden

In fact, it was brought up in one of these 20' campaign posts

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13328433&mesg_id=13328433&listing_type=search#13332589

You think framing Biden as corrupt is a W for Ds?

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15. "Shouldn't ignore the whistle blower story"
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Thunberg got coverage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43q15ncwzWo

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19. "Half that clip was about Trumpster = deflection/distraction"
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https://www.mediamatters.org/broadcast-networks/how-broadcast-news-failed-climate-change-and-hurricane-dorian

"ABC and NBC did not air a single segment that linked Dorian to climate change."

You don't see a disparity in coverage?

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23. "Yeah it's a disparity in coverage but "
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can't ignore the whistle blower story, even if it goes nowhere.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90403895/al-roker-just-got-back-from-greenland-and-hes-horrified-by-what-he-saw-there


https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/23/media/climate-change-newsrooms/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/media/kyle-pope-climate-change-reliable-sources-podcast/index.html

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24. "CNN runs a story about Climate Change Now..."
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...but haven't joined the project

https://www.cjr.org/covering_climate_now/covering-climate-now-170-outlets.php

Television & Multimedia:
CBS News
Democracy Now
KPBS TV & FM (San Diego, Calif.)
PBS NewsHour
The Years Project & Years Of Living Dangerously
WFAA (Dallas-Forth Worth, Texas)
WJCT (Jacksonville, Fla.)
WNET’s Peril and Promise (New York, N.Y.)
News18 (India)
RTÉ’s Brainstorm Project (Ireland)
TG1/RAI (Italy)
TVNZ’s 1 News (New Zealand)
Politically Aweh, TV news show (South Africa)
TV3 & Catalunya Ràdio (Spain)
Swedish Television / SVT (Sweden)

?

I didn't say ignore it...I'm saying this is the 2nd week of almost 24/7 coverage...of a story that we still don't have the facts on.

It's very reminiscent of the Mueller probe...collusion, corruption, etc...for 2 years...report comes out finding 11 counts of obstruction of justice = nothing.

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25. "It's on the CNN World site"
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https://www.cnn.com/specials/world/cnn-climate

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26. "Right, now compare that to CNN.com"
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https://www.cnn.com/

every story is about Ukraine

...except for the one about Trumpster being a dick to Greta...

that doesn't raise an antenna?

They put climate change news on their world site...but omit it from the domestic site

even on the world site...it's buried at the bottom

https://www.cnn.com/world

That looks right to you?

IDK fam, if ya'll don't see it...

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28. "No it doesn't look right. I see it but"
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It is a link on Thunberg under that Trump mocks Thunberg headline.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/23/weather/greta-thunberg-unga-climate-speech-intl/index.html


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22. "LoL"
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32. "lol"
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13. "So, who’s your favorite transformer. "
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31. "please, go on"
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"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

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35. "‘This is formal impeachment proceedings’ - Nadler 8.8.19"
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We've heard this before.

My disdain for the party is a little less...today...but I have absolutely no confidence this goes anywhere

Let's get our popcorn ready for the next few months of non-stop coverage

I hope ya'll are entertained...while the world burns.

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65. "no, really don't stop"
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"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

"The way that you control a motherfucker that ain't don't nothing is you give them something. Then you hold it over their heads."
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69. "They’re “impeaching” based on a report "
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They haven’t seen yet

...what could go wrong...

Do you want more (c)

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81. "yup, keep doing what you're doing"
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"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

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87. "Trumpster meets with Ukraine President "
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The day after “impeachment”

Berry berry interesting

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178. "Ds are “impeaching” based on an anonymous whistleblower "
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Who wasn’t present for the call
and subsequent testimony would literally be hearsay
and before they saw the report

But

Didn’t “impeach” based on a special counsel investigation
Led by a former FBI director
That laid out 11 impeachable offenses

WTF

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180. "holy shit dude."
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202. "R U NOT ENTERTAINED!?!"
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270. "keep going. "
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"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

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274. "I’m hearing a lot of people say"
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Many people have come to me

...tell me you didn’t read the whistle blower report in a Trumpster voice...

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70. "That's why I think it's a con game. "
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Cuz politically, it's fucking dumb as hell for the modern dems to persue impeachment for *this*.

What biden's son was doing is corrupt as fuck...and the standard for the dems since the clinton admin.

Trump will flip this to "they're persecuting me for exposing their corruption" fast AF.

And he won't be wrong.

And yeah, that's to say nothing of the shit in Saudi Arabia/Yemen, climate catastrophes and the American economy collapsing.



  

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218. "Then you haven't been paying attention"
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Biden isn't the President. Trump is.

Whether or not Biden or his son is corrupt is irrelevant in the face of the face that

PRESIDENTS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK OTHER COUNTRIES FOR HELP WITH OUR ELECTIONS.

period.

Trump & Giuliani flat out admitted to that multiple times.

Trump intervened to withhold payments to Ukraine that were already authorized by Congress to help them beat back Russia

then he's asking them for help with the election while not giving them the money we promised

that's some extortion/blackmail shit.

Fuck Biden..this is bigger than him

and oh wait, the White House is covering up the real "transcript" cuz what we have been shown is some bullshit

  

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222. "the aid was released earlier in the month "
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before this shitstorm

There’s a lot of people filling in the blanks according to their bias

The backdrop is Ukraine corruption

Specifically the previous 5 years

Hunter Biden was discharged from the Navy reserves for cocaine use

Months later...he ends up on Burisma’s board on a $600K salary

Why are people so quick to dismiss the idea that their was corruption involved?

Ukraine’s current prez ran on an anti-corruption platform and has stated he plans on reopening the investigation into Burisma

You really think Hunter Biden got that position based on merit?

Like I said, if Trumpsters pulled this bullshit, MFers would be crying foul

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265. "Biden withheld payments of a billion dollars when he was VP"
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unless the ukraine ag investigating his son's employer was fired.
THAT'S blackmail too.
When Biden was in office as VP.
And incredibly corrupt.
I ain't a trump supporter, but unless the dems got some very strong answers for the inevitable questions re: that, this could go wobbly, real fast.

  

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278. "both of y'all are seemingly purposefully missing the point"
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Biden and his son should be investigated, yes.

but that is separate from the fact that Trump is blatantly breaking the law. period

Again, RIGHT NOW he is in the Presidency. period.

nothing that Biden or his son has done justifies Trumps crimes, treasons and cover ups.

that's all i'm saying.

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280. "What law did he break?"
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You do realize as the chief executive he can have people investigated?

So your 1st statement

“Biden and his son should be investigated”

makes it legit.

Anybody consider precedent?

You believe the Bidens should be investigated

Nobody is claiming there wasn’t corruption

...for the 3rd time, if the Trumpsters did what the Bidens did MFers would be chanting...lock him up.

So if a D wins the election...you want to set the precedent that Trumpsters international corruption can’t be investigated?

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281. "Can you fucking read ? Good god man."
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290. "Too early to talk about Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden?"
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553. "THIS PART IS ALREADY THE UNSPOKEN RULE"
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"So if a D wins the election...you want to set the precedent that Trumpsters international corruption can’t be investigated?"

Which is a problem...and what trump is trampling on here.

Remember how people were hoping for an investigation of the insane corruption under dubya, and Obama got in office and deaded that shit IMMEDIATELY, lol?

Trump is just violating government elite norms..and not even intentionally, on some populist shit. He's just a different kind of corrupt than they are

  

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16. "Pelosi seems to be on board now, which means it will probably "
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happen.

I wonder how fast they'll do it? And if McConnell will even let a trial happen.

  

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17. "McConnell won't let a trial happen."
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>happen.
>
>I wonder how fast they'll do it? And if McConnell will even
>let a trial happen.

But that's fine.

If we're gonna go down anyway I'm glad we'll at least go down swinging a little bit.

Better exceptionally, insanely, embarrassingly, hopelessly, pathetically late than never.

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18. "If he doesn't let a trial happen now and then Trump wins in 2020,"
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but the Ds get control of both houses later, can they proceed with the trial then (years later, presumably)? Question for the room.

  

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20. "Good question. I'm not sure."
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>but the Ds get control of both houses later, can they proceed
>with the trial then (years later, presumably)? Question for
>the room.

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27. "based on how odd the world has been i can see this helping biden"
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i guess if it takes down either trump or biden it would be good.

i just hope they dont give any coverage to the white house transcript and turn it into the barr summary again.

  

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33. "trump is shook."
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https://twitter.com/JamieOGrady/status/1176619784965935106

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34. "Senate doing.... say what now? "
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https://www.newsandguts.com/senate-surprise-mcconnell-entire-senate-back-call-for-whistleblower-complaint-to-be-turned-over/?fbclid=IwAR3rLBKyL5kaIaZQpl9bKwi7BDM6maaITLGQcPurxPZCBfgBqiUnQfSic7s

  

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36. "this actually got me kinda nervous lol."
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mitch mcconnell doing the right thing? something gotta be up.

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37. "He may have made up his mind that he wants Pence to run in 2020"
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We’ll see, this was definitely surprising.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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39. "a few folks notice karen pence has started rebranding herself."
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https://twitter.com/KarenPence/status/1175457524855836672

apparently some repub senators (and john bolton) also warned trump that withholding aid to ukraine in exchange for the biden probe was illegal.

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1176316654147506177

if dems can get bolton on tv shitting on trump then that would be big.

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43. "Pretty sure it's a setup for a bait & switch."
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They'll release something not at all sufficient, then claim WE'RE the unreasonable ones when we point that out. And the media, looking for the next turn in the narrative, will eat it up.

He's honed that skill a lot in the last few years.

  

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45. "its suspicious that they keep saying the wh will release the complaint"
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when its supposed to go directly from the odni.

i think (hope) that the media will report on it with a lot more scrutiny than the barr report. i see a lot of journalists mentioning this so it looks like theyve learned a bit. its hard to pull off the same trick twice imo.

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51. "Yea I don't trust any of this for a second haha."
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The full on repug backpedaling today was both totally predictable and ... a little too clean.

I'm suspicious.

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38. "Trump wants to work it out with Pelosi lol"
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https://twitter.com/jamieogrady/status/1176619784965935106?s=21

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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40. "you can tell your people to obey the law"
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Fire response.

https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1176631193279913985?s=21

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41. "Senate voted UNANIMOUSLY to send the WB complaint to Congress"
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Chuck Schumer, the Minority leader, introduced a non-binding resolution on the Senate floor today and every Senate member voted yes

that's a HUGE blow to Trump

we might all be wrong..Senate might actually vote to remove him if he's impeached

it would be the only way they'd have any chance to hold onto their seats in the 2020 election.

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52. "But why now ?"
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>Chuck Schumer, the Minority leader, introduced a non-binding
>resolution on the Senate floor today and every Senate member
>voted yes
>
>that's a HUGE blow to Trump
>
>we might all be wrong..Senate might actually vote to remove
>him if he's impeached
>
>it would be the only way they'd have any chance to hold onto
>their seats in the 2020 election.
>
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55. "I think they try to fake the transcript"
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So hopefully the Dems control the story that they
need the actual complaint, the inquiry isn’t just
about this one instance of bafoonery, etc.

Also, they need to remind people this is the
same guy who tried to alter a weather map
with a fucking marker. Wrong color at that.

That said..

I think we’ll know it’s fake when the Ukrainian
pres starts complimenting Trump on the economy,
his electoral college win, and being so much
better than Obama.

  

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62. "This story is so much worst, and easier to prove then the Russian Scanda..."
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There is enough on record, in the public, to sustain evidence of a crime. And it's not just the phone call, it's really the actual withholding of aid for a political purpose.

And most importantly all of this happened while he was the president.

The russia stuff is way less clear because there isn't clear quid pro quo (what exactly did Trump do in exchange for Russia's help? And who did he make a deal with?).

Add that to Trump outliving his usefulness to Republicans.

I can really see a scenario where Rupert Murdoch picks up the phone and calls head of fox news and says, ok we are done with him, release the hounds.


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63. "Yea but his blatant crimes as president are beyond the Russia scandal."
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But I guess this particular instance may be the most neat and tidy. So I kind of get what you're saying.

Yet today repug senators are claiming they'll quash impeachment if it ever makes it that far.

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221. "everything w/Ukraine is a part of the Russia scandal"
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Trump knows Vlad wants Ukraine

he can't help w/that directly but what he can do is delay monies to Ukraine for as long as possible cuz those monies help them stave off Russian invasion...in the meantime, Vlad keeps pushing to weaken Ukraine's gov't

since Trump knows he had to release the funds eventually, he figured he should use it as leverage to get something out of it for himself: help w/the election

  

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225. "Yep exactly - that too."
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42. "you know whats next.."
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just like i told yall in them other posts.. trump is going to prison and he knows it..aside from this treasonous act (which should warrant the death penalty) plenty of state charges waiting and Tish James waiting to handle that business.. wont be nobody to cover for him once hes not president.. nobody will care..

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44. "my boy is back!"
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47. "https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9Igtjxw42qVPziy4/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9Igtjxw42qVPziy4/giphy.gif

Welcome back

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53. "OH SHIT ! "
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Was worried about you my man.

Anyway - just so there's no rewriting history upon your return, you said (multiple times) that they were ALL going to jail. Not just 45.

Just, you know, so everyone's on the same page. Haha.

Welcome back !

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54. "LOL nah....you have too many Ls"
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To just pop back in and say “see!” as if this is
what you predicted.

As if you weren’t painfully wrong on so many
things.

I mean, at least cop to being wrong.

And your track record is so awful I don’t want you
jinxing anything lol

  

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174. "i said he was goin to prison...nothings changed"
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i just thought i'd check in with yall right quick...

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175. "Homie you're being VERY disingenuous."
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You said they were ALL GOING TO JAIL.

People don't forget ! ©

And frankly, you're ultimately probably going to be more correct about "all of them" than you will be about "he."

Don't forget that Nixon skated on every crime, while a bunch of his cronies got locked up.

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58. "https://youtu.be/IUWBcZ4XEZ4"
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https://youtu.be/IUWBcZ4XEZ4

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60. "you should start upping old posts.. ... like a sports agenda "
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46. "https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac/giphy.gif

McConnell on board. Trump on board with releasing the transcript. The Trump media apparatus already locked and loaded.

Nah... something don't feel right

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49. "somebody has started throwing giuliani under the bus."
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1176663883068690432

this after rudy was on hannity saying that the state department sent *him* on this mission.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1176328193436979201

state department reply:
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1176560357965533185

looks like folks are in cya mode.

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56. "rudy saying he got receipts on the state department in his phone lol."
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https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1176684970536050689

basically throwing pompeo under the bus.

fam this shit is bout to be wild.

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61. "This reads..."
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"Protect Trump, at all costs."

Disgusting!

  

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57. "just to let you know how far corruption is normalized in our country"
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in austria...a group of people ran a *hoax* with one of them acting like the niece of a russian oligarch. using hidden video...they caught the vice chancellor *offering* govt contracts to the niece in exchange for her buying a stake in a media company and pushing them to support the vice chancellors party.

when the video was released to the public...the vice chancellor resigned the *next day*. and *every*single*minister* from his party resigned in disgrace shortly thereafter.

nothing concrete was exchanged. she didnt even have any real connections to russia.

but just the *intent* to do something improper was enough to force resignations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48335316

there was a point in time where we used to at least pretend to be that kind of country.

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67. "You can’t shame rich and powerful white people in America. "
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Bill Gates gets credit for being one of the nicer ones, meanwhile his company just signed massive contracts with oil giants while his employees are protesting climate change, all the while he and Melinda are essentially running experiments on poor populations via strings attached computer grants and data harvesting ... all the while they sit on stores of cash that they couldn’t come close to spending in their life time; that they’ll give away when they’re dead (they say) while people die from lack of money in real time.

And he’s considered a good one.

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64. "i'm wondering if its going to be about more than just this?"
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i didn't listen to pelosi's speech (i cant stand her, tbh.)

i would like to see this be about all the impeachable offenses that have been accumulating.

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66. "I didn't hear the whole thing either but she said she wants ..."
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... all the House committees to submit their best cases for impeachment then they'll determine whether to put it to a vote. (IMO it's a mistake not to have public hearings before a vote but that's another convo).

I interpreted that to mean that she's having the committees submits cases for impeachment for all the reasons they've been investigating, not just the Ukraine/whistleblower situation. But I may be wrong. I hope I'm right.

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68. "yea.. this is a mistake.."
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>... all the House committees to submit their best cases for
>impeachment then they'll determine whether to put it to a
>vote. (IMO it's a mistake not to have public hearings before a
>vote but that's another convo).

i want public hearings. there's been too many committee hearings- havent kept track.

i mosdef want to see hearings of these best cases for impeachment

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71. "wait... the transcript shows exactly what is being claimed? lol"
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72. "If they released this imagine how bad the stuff we don’t know is"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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74. "someone said, 'they did a poor job removing crimes from the memo'"
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and im just LOL

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76. "what's hilarious is that, in typical Trump fashion..."
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he denied all this then later basically admitted it all when being questioned by the press.

LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgG8StjJQcQ

this was obviously BEFORE the transcript came out today.

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73. "RE: wait... the transcript shows exactly what is being claimed? lol"
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no one tried to at least edit out e.g biden's name?

LOL

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88. "im honestly surprised the transcript was this similar to the acccusation..."
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i thought it was gonna be a bunch of innuendo, winks, and nudges but nope. its all laid out pretty bare.

like others are saying...if this is the best version of events they got...

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75. "Does anyone know if there's a more reliable transcript or a recording?"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/official-readout-president-trump-s-july-25-phone-call-with-ukraine-s-volodymyr-zelensky/4b228f51-17e7-45bc-b16c-3b2643f3fbe0/

There's a disclaimer right at the bottom of the transcript that states the following:

"CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation"

Might there be an official recording of this conversation that could be compared to this transcript?

  

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79. "Apparently standard practice is just to have a few people listen in,"
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and type as much as they can while the conversation goes along. The goal is usually to have an accurate word-for-word transcript, and that's why there are multiple people listening in and typing as they go. But they don't actually record the audio. Probably because Nixon.

Kinda funny that they're paying three people to approximate a job that would be done much better by a tape recorder. But that's the military-industrial complex, I guess.

Anyway, this is just standard practice for us. The state on the other side of the call might actually record these things, though apparently that's uncommon, and from what I understand Ukraine hasn't given any indication one way or the other. They don't want to touch this argument with a ten-foot pole, of course.

  

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80. "Got it. Thanks for the explanation"
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My concern was that 45 might try to have these transcript altered or have certain parts omitted. I really don't know if he would have the ability to do it but I'd bet the farm that it crossed his mind.

  

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82. "Also, it sounds like EVENTUALLY..."
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the whistleblower's report will come out, and that will have the details THEY reported.

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83. "Yeah, that might be the road map to where the bodies are buried"
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>the whistleblower's report will come out, and that will have
>the details THEY reported.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the whistleblower's report included instances of shady conduct other than just the Ukrainian phone call.

  

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84. "i don't know about that..."
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but if you're snitchin you might as well go all the way (shoutout to Tekashi 69!!!)

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85. "lol!"
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>but if you're snitchin you might as well go all the way
>(shoutout to Tekashi 69!!!)

for real.


.
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90. "LMAO @ Tekashi"
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>but if you're snitchin you might as well go all the way
>(shoutout to Tekashi 69!!!)

On the real though, I just read the link below over at WaPo and they mention that the whistleblower has mentioned more than one event AND the whistleblower didn't even have 1st hand knowledge of the call with the Ukrainian president. So there might be some other dirt out there that will provide a clearer picture when combined with what we know now.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/25/takeaways-transcript-trumps-call-with-ukraines-president/

The first reason is that the whistleblower complaint involves multiple events and no single communication, as the intelligence community’s inspector general, Michael Atkinson, testified last week. This is the highest-profile known event involving Trump and Ukraine, but there are many unknowns. We don’t even know what other events might be involved, much less what transpired in them.

Indeed, the fact that Trump released the call and not the whistleblower complaint (at least yet, though that could be coming) suggests this piece of evidence is perceived as being better for him than the rest. It could also be a trial balloon to see how the call is received before making a decision on the full complaint.

The second is that, as Philip Bump wrote Tuesday, the whistleblower reportedly wasn’t even privy to the call; they heard about it secondhand. And Atkinson reviewed their complaint and determined it to be both credible — suggesting there was some corroboration — and of “urgent concern.” So both of them seemed to be relying upon plenty besides this call.

Also to keep in mind, the rough transcript is not a verbatim account of the conversation. It is a White House memorandum that is based on the notes and memories of officials in the room. A disclaimer in the rough transcript warns that a number of factors “can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent.”

  

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92. "It is a little weird we have this transcript but NOT the WB complaint."
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I mean I understand there could be clearance issues for a public release, but the fact that they haven't turned over the whistleblower report to the Congress yet (which, if I understand correctly, is what the law says should immediately be done with these complaints), in and of itself that implies that there must be stuff in the whistleblower complaint that goes beyond this specific phone call.

  

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77. "So Giuliani committed treason or espionage too"
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And then he goes on national tv and admits to it. He gotta be disbarred if anything.

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78. "that's kinda the other piece i took from all this."
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86. "both the dni and the ig referred this to the doj"
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*separately* for possible criminal prosecution.

the ig also referred it to the fbi (smart move).

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1176891028953059331

barr of course quickly killed it at doj.

but this shit is worse than we even imagine right now.

not just the whistleblower...but 2 independent officials thought it was worthy of a *criminal* complaint. the ig obviously knew barr would kill it so he submitted it directly under chris wrays purview too.

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97. "I saw that...its hard to imagine"
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this just goes away for Trump, Barr, and the animated corpse of Rudy G.

Granted, I'm getting my info from the echo chamber, but god damn. A lot has happened in just 24 hours or whatever.


The admin's lawlessness, arrogance, and stupidity finally all intersected on one event it seems.


I'm trying not to get too hyped, but....jesus.

  

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113. "i honestly love the way this played out and hope dems learn from it."
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the shit was so sudden and peaked so acutely that repubs were caught off guard. i think part of the reason that repub senators *had* to unanimously vote to release the wb complaint is because they didnt have enough time to devise a strategy/messaging.

dems needs to stop talking about shit like mueller, green new deal, etc for months to years at a time and just spring that shit up when its time to take action (repubs do shit like this and sneak bills across the goal line at like 1 am in the morning).

sometimes the best course of action is to not broadcast that its coming.

dems at the state level are quietly passing voting reforms, green new deal type initiatives and emissions goals, and an electoral college nullification pact with little controversy/resistance and zero fanfare.

repubs are like batman with no prep time. when they cant get their entire media apparatus fully in sync in advance then they struggle to come up with a cohesive gameplan and make a dent in the conversation.

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89. "It's like a spy novel written by Elmore Leonard "
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https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1176891057604374528?s=20

These motherfuckers sent out talking points and then asked for them back

"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
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91. "this shit is hilarious. wtf thinks recall email works?"
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94. "thank jah these people are idiots."
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lord knows what they would get away with if they were buttoned up.

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99. "I'm crying...I'd love to know who sent it"
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the critics would say VEEP went too far this season, its just not believable.

  

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115. "WH Staff Intern Dewey Crowe"
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"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
KRS-ONE

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109. "Stupid Fucking Watergate"
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143. "Reality is truly stranger than fiction these days."
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Over two years now and it's still surreal to me that Trump is president. Like it still takes me a second when I see his fat bloated face near the Presidential Seal when news report crop on TV to believe this is reality.

This must have been what it was like for those Tea Party folks when Obama was in office for those eight years.

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93. "btw its not being included in the reporting on this"
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and the dots arent being connected but...

trump fired the ambassador to ukraine, the director of national intelligence, and his national security advisor all within a short timespan. all of these people are key figures in this whole afffair.

also this is the *2nd* time trump pressured ukraine to help with his domestic problems. he also got them to end their cooperation with mueller.
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/2/17311190/ukraine-mueller-trump-manafort-javelin

thats the exact type of thing they are accusing biden of and more people need to be talking about it.

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95. "also this is so much easier for dems to sell than mueller was."
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not a bunch of loose ends to weave together into some complex conspiracy narrative.

the president is directly involved and the primary perpetrator here.

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100. "MUCH easier. Even I think this could amount to something."
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The fact that about half of the House Democratic Caucus didn't dare to take a public position on impeachment over the Mueller report, but now they've nearly all called for at least an "inquiry" (whatever that means) speaks for itself.

And then there's Mitt Romney. Just a few days ago he said "if the President said what was alleged here, it would be very serious indeed" (or something like that). He was probably trying to play the centrist, of course, and hoping a transcript would never come out to force him to take sides. But now that it has and it shows Trump saying precisely what was alleged, does Mitt at least admit that there might be grounds for considering impeachment? Now that the stock market is looking so much less hot than a few months ago, do other Senators take the opportunity to follow Mitt and jump ship?

It's all still VERY unlikely that it leads to Trump's removal, or even that it hurts Trump at all in the long run. But something could be brewing.

  

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103. "if *this* doesnt move the needle at all"
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then we no longer live in a nation of laws.

republicans are clearly on their heels with this. they have no solid talking points clearing the president. no 'no collusion. no obstruction'. just throwing a bunch of easily disprovable darts at hunter biden that arent really breaking through the noise.

i love the fact that dems have put repubs on the defensive for once and vulnerable repub senators (along with the prez himself) are gonna have to answer for this in an election year.

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112. "Well, but how many times have we said that?"
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>RE: if *this* doesnt move the needle at all
>then we no longer live in a nation of laws.

I think the last three years have demonstrated that it isn't fundamentally a nation of laws. The laws can be overruled by the norms and the norms can change.

And then there's the question of whether the norms even have changed. Nixon would have easily skated past Watergate if there hadn't been masses of incriminating audio and a close insider saying loud and clear that he broke the law.

But then Nixon didn't go to jail and John Dean did. And then there's Fox News. WH staffers know very well by now what the path of least resistance is.


>republicans are clearly on their heels with this. they have
>no solid talking points clearing the president. no 'no
>collusion. no obstruction'. just throwing a bunch of easily
>disprovable darts at hunter biden that arent really breaking
>through the noise.
>
>i love the fact that dems have put repubs on the defensive for
>once and vulnerable repub senators (along with the prez
>himself) are gonna have to answer for this in an election
>year.

I'm HOPING this can hurt some vulnerable Republican senators. Susan Collins and Cory Gardner are the obvious test cases. But all that is dependent on whether this ACTUALLY becomes a political liability for Republicans. Before all this came out it seemed like the polls consistently showed significant unpopularity for impeachment, which means more trouble for Democrats than for Republicans. I hope this changes that, but it's also very possible this just becomes another swing in the news cycle.

The fact that we've been claiming (accurately) since day 1 that Trump's presidency was illegitimate has really hurt our rhetorical case. A lot of the public doesn't even need talking points. They just think the Democrats and the Deep State are out to get their outsider president.

  

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146. "fair points all around."
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it doesnt seem like anything substantively changes and there are no consequences but we kinda memory hole 2018.

that was referendum on trump...and not in a good way. 2020 is a true referendum with trump at the top of the ticket (affecting down ballot races).

he will most likely have an impeachment hanging over his head...a worse economy...a failed record to run against...and 3 primary opponents who have no chance to beat him but will fill up headlines/tv time with damaging attacks.

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166. "2018 was definitely a referendum on Trump,"
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but it wasn't a referendum on impeachment. As you've pointed out so many times around here, we won that blue wave by keeping a laser focus on health care.

If 2020 is a referendum on Trump, I think we win pretty easily.

If 2020 is a referendum on Obamacare, we win BIG.

If 2020 is a referendum on impeachment, I'm worried.

  

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96. "If this doesn't take Trump down, it strengthens him"
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I read the entire transcript and it's beyond clear that he's using the Oval Office to enrich himself and leverage foreign powers to assist his re-election campaign. "Looking into" Biden, asking for Ukraine to investigate into the Crowdstrike findings circa 2016; using his personal attorney and his office to conduct personal business. This is all beyond absurd, improper and illegal.

But the question is: will anything actually be done about it. Trump has littered the White House with crime after crime and nothing has brought him down thus far - so why would this?

The House and Senate need to all get on record and stop hiding from controversy. But if this doesn't cut Trump down it will only embolden his rabid base heading into the 2020 season when all the Q lunatics use this as fuel that the "deep state" is at it again.

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106. "his base is always gonna be fired up. fox news keeps them that way."
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they always find something. mueller, kavanaugh, obamacare, trans bathroom, etc.

they arent some unconquerable force tho. and news coverage rarely reflects how relatively small they are.

theyre a declining percentage of the voting population by race *and* age.

trump had them fired up in 2016 and still walked away with less of the vote share than mitt romney and a historically slim electoral college margin.

when dem voters show up and show out...its an easy win.

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114. "Yes - but if they launch impeachment, they need to win"
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The impeachment proceedings of Bill Clinton were devastating to Democrats in subsequent elections, and led to essentially a decade strong-hold for Republican majorities in govt. These are different times, but impeachment is risky if you don't have bi-partisan consensus.

This is also a symptom of Congress continually shirking its duty. This non-sense about "secret votes" should not be tolerated - they need to get on record and stop hiding from difficult votes/stances.

>trump had them fired up in 2016 and still walked away with
>less of the vote share than mitt romney and a historically
>slim electoral college margin.
>
>when dem voters show up and show out...its an easy win.

Dem voters show up when it's a big-tent, aspirational candidate at the helm. Bill Clinton & Obama were unorthodox candidates who inspired multiple segments of the electorate - Al Gore, John Kerry, & Hillary Clinton were centrist holders of the status-quo who failed to inspire and move voters to turn out. It's pretty clear which candidates fall into the former category, and which candidates fall into the latter.


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138. "^correction: Clinton impeachment was devastating to Republicans"
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141. "clinton impeachment was not devastating to repubs. thats a myth."
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and people who know better (in the political press) need to stop regurgitating it.

in the midterms immediately following clintons impeachment...repubs held the senate with 0 net seat changes. repubs lost a measly 5 seats in the house but still retained control of it.

then they won the white house in 2000 (while using clinton as a weapon against gore. gained the senate in 2002. and kept control of the presidency and both chambers until 2006. they held the house for *12 years* during this time.

if anything...repubs showed impeachment (with even a failed conviction) can be a potent political weapon to strengthen your hand electorally.

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144. "^"
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149. "But honestly I see a lot of wishful thinking in this revisionist history..."
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Not to say that revisionism is always wrong, but I'm seeing this argument being made more and more these days, and I just don't see it.

I've tried to argue with a few people that we need to understand that there were TWO issues surrounding Clinton. There was the scandal itself (or scandals, depending on how we count), but then there was the impeachment that followed from those scandals.

The polls at the time consistently showed that majorities of the public disapproved of Clinton's actions, but they did NOT think they warranted impeachment.

If we take that at face value, it makes sense that Republicans would have had a rough midterm in 2008 when they were literally running on impeachment, but that they would have benefited in the long run as the impeachment wore off and people just remembered their distaste for the scandals. And they DID have a rough midterm in 2008. You're right that they didn't lose any major number of seats, but normally the party out of power gains seats in that scenario. Moreover, Newt Gingrich was told by hardline right-wing strategists that if they ran on impeachment they would gain over 30 seats in the house. The fact that they basically broke even is pretty clear evidence that impeachment can have more down-side than the impeaching party might want to admit.

And it makes sense that people could oppose impeachment even if they also oppose the president. Removal by impeachment is a fundamentally anti-democratic act. It's literally an attempt by the most reviled branch of the government to overturn an election. People want to think that their votes matter.

We're seeing the same thing with Brexit. At this point, large majorities of UK voters think Brexit was a mistake. But at the same time, they oppose a new referendum.

  

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176. "Sorry. I meant 1998."
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Fuck I'm getting old.

  

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152. "Thank you...by the way"
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hasn't Vex been for impeachment? I could be wrong, but seems odd that he is suddenly against it now that it is happening...and that Tulsi came out against it (lol lol)

>and people who know better (in the political press) need to
>stop regurgitating it.
>
>in the midterms immediately following clintons
>impeachment...repubs held the senate with 0 net seat changes.
>repubs lost a measly 5 seats in the house but still retained
>control of it.

Right. No one has been able to explain to me how the GOP "paid the price" for impeaching, beyond lost seats. Which didn't amount to much.

>
>then they won the white house in 2000 (while using clinton as
>a weapon against gore. gained the senate in 2002. and kept
>control of the presidency and both chambers until 2006. they
>held the house for *12 years* during this time.

A lot of people gloss over this. If the GOP has "lost" since 98, please sign me up for losing.

>
>if anything...repubs showed impeachment (with even a failed
>conviction) can be a potent political weapon to strengthen
>your hand electorally.

The Dems just need to play it right.


I get that some are cautious, but some are just unwilling to think critically about this.

  

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154. "Trump should've been impeached 2 years ago."
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If we're going by what should have happened in a functioning, morally upright government - then yes - Trump should've been impeached already and I'm in full support of that. But given this reality we live in (where institutional failure is a norm) - I find it suspect to think that launching impeachment proceedings right before a major 2020 election is a politically savvy thing to do - *especially* when you consider the extraordinarily high bar set to actually impeach *and* remove a sitting President.

Dems should focus on annihilating Trump and Republicans and prosecute him for the clear degradation of our standing in the world that has materialized since he took office - by appealing to voters with superior messaging and aspirational rallying of the majority of Americans (who are with Democrats on virtually every issue).

To me impeachment will play out as if Dems want to remove Trump the easy way, without taking the fight to him in 2020. And if impeachment fails (which it will) - it will just further Trump's legend that he's battling the entire "deep state" again. It's not a winner for Dems in 2020. I think it also speaks to the Dem Establishment lack of confidence in Biden to carry the torch, and their apprehension to pass the baton to Progressive champions like Bernie or Warren.


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164. "true. And he should be today"
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>If we're going by what should have happened in a functioning,
>morally upright government - then yes - Trump should've been
>impeached already and I'm in full support of that. But given
>this reality we live in (where institutional failure is a
>norm) - I find it suspect to think that launching impeachment
>proceedings right before a major 2020 election is a
>politically savvy thing to do - *especially* when you consider
>the extraordinarily high bar set to actually impeach *and*
>remove a sitting President.

I don't think anyone expects him to be removed.

To be brief, do you not think this could help turnout on the left?

Do you not see the value in making senators pick a side?

Do you not see the value in controlling the news cycle (for a change) and shining more light on the corruption of the admin?

>
>Dems should focus on annihilating Trump and Republicans and
>prosecute him for the clear degradation of our standing in the
>world that has materialized since he took office - by
>appealing to voters with superior messaging and aspirational
>rallying of the majority of Americans (who are with Democrats
>on virtually every issue).

And why can't they do that still? Hell, Warren HAS ALREADY made her entire platform based on eliminating corruption. This rolls right into that.

And even if its a different candidate, how does *finally* holding this pres accountable (kind of) make it so they can't do that?



>
>To me impeachment will play out as if Dems want to remove
>Trump the easy way, without taking the fight to him in 2020.

Well, if you don't trust Dems will stick the messaging...I agree with your concern.

But they should be able to do both.

>And if impeachment fails (which it will) - it will just
>further Trump's legend that he's battling the entire "deep
>state" again.

It is odd, because this sounds like a very moderate Dem talking point.

Trump is going to claim victim either way- you know that.

If it isn't impeachment, it will be "harassment" or whatever. He will fire up his base no.matter.what.

So...at the very absolute least...why not fire up ours?

It's not a winner for Dems in 2020. I think it
>also speaks to the Dem Establishment lack of confidence in
>Biden to carry the torch, and their apprehension to pass the
>baton to Progressive champions like Bernie or Warren.
>
>
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**record scratch**

huh?

First, I disagree completely. This pressure came from Nancy's left. Warren has been calling for impeachment since what, April?

So...you think they are sabotaging the election so Warren can't win?

Or do you think they expect to *win* impeachment, so they don't want to risk 2020?


So you think they said "looks like Weekend at Bidens isn't going to work out, and we don't want a Progressive, so lets impeach so that...." what?

I really don't get your theory here man.




  

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153. "I think you're only looking at the numbers, sans context."
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Republicans were looking to take commanding majorities after two Clinton terms and a country ready for new leadership. It happens, predictably, like clockwork after a sitting President serves for 8 years. Happened in 2000, 2008 & 2016 where the opposing party was primed for momentum to take majorities.

After 8 years of Clinton *and* an impeachment proceeding where the perception was that Clinton was this slick, immoral politician to where the country needed to get back to convention and "tradition" (enter another Bush) - the Republicans *should've* gained considerable majorities (the demographics were also far more favorable to them in the late 90's). That they essentially broke even with Dems in Congress shows that their momentum was seriously thwarted - and I think many rightfully identify the Clinton impeachment circus to be a material reason why that momentum was thwarted.

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139. "honestly its not hard for dems to 'win' impeachment"
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if by 'win' you mean in terms of public opinion (which i assume you meant since repubs failed to remove clinton).

trump has historically low approval ratings.

the majority of americans have *never* supported him at any time during his presidency.

a record number of americans *personally* dislike him (over 20 pts higher than the previous record...g w bush during 2 unpopular wars and an economic downturn)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-record-share-voters-dislike-trump-personally-democrats-n1057036

and *60%* of people believe trump doesnt deserve re-election (during a 'strong' economy).
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/cnn-poll-trump-reelection-2020/index.html

this breathless coverage about how dems might be overplaying their hand on impeachment and it could help strengthen trump is unfounded. all of it is based on clinton being more popular after impeachment. but clinton was already popular...kept working to make great economic gains for the american people while under investigation (something trump has already given up on)...and (like you said) dems faced future election consequences.

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150. "by "win' I mean actually succeeding in impeachment proceedings."
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>if by 'win' you mean in terms of public opinion (which i
>assume you meant since repubs failed to remove clinton).

No president has ever been removed via 2/3rds Senate vote to impeach.

It's not wise to assume that this will play well w/ the public - when most of the public doesn't follow any of these technical facets of government, and only vote on poorly informed perceptions of what's actually happening.

I don't believe that this impeachment effort is going to be popular with swing voters. It will rally up the left - for sure - but Dems do not hold the moral authority like they think they have. Most of the electorate considers both parties to be crooks at this point.

>trump has historically low approval ratings.
>
>the majority of americans have *never* supported him at any
>time during his presidency.
>
>a record number of americans *personally* dislike him (over 20
>pts higher than the previous record...g w bush during 2
>unpopular wars and an economic downturn)
>https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-record-share-voters-dislike-trump-personally-democrats-n1057036
>
>and *60%* of people believe trump doesnt deserve re-election
>(during a 'strong' economy).
>https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/cnn-poll-trump-reelection-2020/index.html

Yes - all the conventional wisdom points towards Trump having no business even being President, let alone winning a second term. However, how many times has as sitting President failed to earn a second term in recent decades? Trump has defied all of these statistics and "expert" data crunching - and I don't think pushing for impeachment will change that. What will change that is getting behind a movement that takes the fight to him directly. Dems have to be ready for a street fight - not a faux civil impeachment proceeding.




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157. "so swing voters will go for taking their insurance"
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but not investigating a clearly corrupt president?

>>if by 'win' you mean in terms of public opinion (which i
>>assume you meant since repubs failed to remove clinton).
>
>No president has ever been removed via 2/3rds Senate vote to
>impeach.

Right. Very few people (if any) are predicting this or even hoping for it. And you know it.

So "winning" impeachment is about public opinion, and hopefully making Senators take a stance.

>
>It's not wise to assume that this will play well w/ the public
>- when most of the public doesn't follow any of these
>technical facets of government, and only vote on poorly
>informed perceptions of what's actually happening.

So your message now is that Dems shouldn't do anything because people aren't paying attention?

The Dems shouldn't fight, because people won't understand it?

A lot of people don't understand Medicare For All. Should dems not do anything with that?

>
>I don't believe that this impeachment effort is going to be
>popular with swing voters. It will rally up the left - for
>sure - but Dems do not hold the moral authority like they
>think they have. Most of the electorate considers both
>parties to be crooks at this point.

Do you think taking insurance away from Americans will be popular with "swing voters"?

>
>>trump has historically low approval ratings.
>>
>>the majority of americans have *never* supported him at any
>>time during his presidency.
>>
>>a record number of americans *personally* dislike him (over
>20
>>pts higher than the previous record...g w bush during 2
>>unpopular wars and an economic downturn)
>>https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-record-share-voters-dislike-trump-personally-democrats-n1057036
>>
>>and *60%* of people believe trump doesnt deserve re-election
>>(during a 'strong' economy).
>>https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/cnn-poll-trump-reelection-2020/index.html
>
>Yes - all the conventional wisdom points towards Trump having
>no business even being President, let alone winning a second
>term. However, how many times has as sitting President failed
>to earn a second term in recent decades? Trump has defied all
>of these statistics and "expert" data crunching - and I don't
>think pushing for impeachment will change that. What will
>change that is getting behind a movement that takes the fight
>to him directly. Dems have to be ready for a street fight -
>not a faux civil impeachment proceeding.
>
>
>
>
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I think I pick up your hint. So you honestly think that swing voters and/or people who don't pay attention to stuff, are **more** likely to get behind a **movement** led by a self-described socialist?? When a big piece of that movement involves *Taking Away* insurance from Americans?

You really think that Bernie and Medicare for All, etc is an *easier* sell to non-political people than the idea that Trump is corrupt?


This isn't to say that both shouldn't be done, because that isn't my point.


My point is that your tone on impeachment seems to have changed, and it seems largely based on the idea that "only Bernie can save us".

Or maybe your tone hasn't changed, and I haven't noticed your take before. Either way, "only Bernie" or "only a movement" is an odd thing to say.


The argument that non-political swing voters won't get behind impeaching a lying ass president, but they'll get behind a socialist who has been in Washington for 30+ years without getting any of his ideas through is...troubling to say the least.


Not to mention, I could have sworn you have talked about the importance of turnout on the left. If this helps that, how on earth does it hurt our chances in 2020?



  

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168. "slow down - you're projecting an awful lot. "
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You keep putting 'only bernie' in quotations as I've ever said that lol. Who are you quoting? Yourself?

Sanders isn't even my top choice - and I've repeatedly said (even here) that Warren would be a fine selection (though not the best IMO) as far as presidential nominations go. Sanders would as well.

>The argument that non-political swing voters won't get behind
>impeaching a lying ass president, but they'll get behind a
>socialist who has been in Washington for 30+ years without
>getting any of his ideas through is...troubling to say the
>least.

Well - you're horribly wrong w/ your assessment of Sanders getting none of his ideas through. Ideas that he's been championing for decades are taking resonant hold in the electorate now - and his ideas are very popular. He's also as accomplished as virtually all of his peers in Congress when it comes to passing legislation and impacting policy. There's a reason why Sanders has the highest approval rating of *any* sitting Senator. You don't have to like him, but stop lying on his record.

>Not to mention, I could have sworn you have talked about the
>importance of turnout on the left. If this helps that, how on
>earth does it hurt our chances in 2020?

Because I don't think the Left is a monolith. We need a *big-tent* turnout on the Left - and that means harnessing the emergent, new generational progressive energy of AOC, Omar *and* Sanders supporters. Dems already have the conventional loyalists - so why not expand the party?

So yes - I agree with needing huge turnout - but disagree with how to achieve that.

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185. "Pelosi in charge is a major difference."
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I learned to stop underestimating her.

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247. "Please expound."
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259. "Based on what exactly?"
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I'm not really confident in her ability to do anything other than maintaining the status quo and keeping donor money coming in

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269. "me too. i'd prefer to see Schiff in charge, tbh"
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i have more confident in him, than her

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279. "I don't get the Pelosi adulation "
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319. "RE: Pelosi in charge is a major difference."
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The shutdown smackdown.
Sonning Trump in every televised meeting.
Winning the speakership.
Reining in the progressives.

At each point folks thought she wouldn't get through and she seems to be doing so EASILY.

If she's ready to put her full weight behind impeachment, I think there's a good chance the political outcome is overall good for DEMs. Pelosi has teeth, knows Washington inside and out, hates Trump's guts, and is on a winning streak.

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98. "White House sends Ukrain talking points to Dems (by accident)"
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:/

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102. "Tori Q is on indeed.com right about now lol"
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But I would have to think that would get out to the public anyways.

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101. "One of the most concerning things to me: what is Giuliani's job?"
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Why is the president/state department/whoever sending Giuliani to represent the US government and talk to foreign leaders?
By who power?

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105. "Whatever is on Nosferatu's job description."
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108. "co-conspirator."
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116. "Senior Co-Conspirator"
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"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
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120. "Executive Vice President in charge of Co-Conspiracy."
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Pretty soon it'll be a cabinet-level position. Then he'll be the Secretary of Co-Conspiracy.

Not "officially," though, because then too many rats would be in on the meetings.

  

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104. "I give a 30% chance the Senate Republicans use this as their"
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chance to dump Trump and get Pence. They would all love to be able to do that and pay a minimal political price for it.

But as it stands now, what has been shown in the summary of the phone call is not quite enough to move Trump's base to turn on him. His base would vote-out most of the R senators who might decide to vote to remove. If this was happening shortly after Trump's re-election, they'd be more inclined to take that chance (plus they'd have Pence for 3+ years, which would be worth it, to them.)

  

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107. "repub mike murphy: 30 repub senators would vote to impeach "
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if it were a secret vote.

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1176902916420096001

i wish the dem base had their politicians by the balls like the repub base does.

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the 10 more necessary votes in addition to that. But that would require them to stand up to their voters, which is hard. But I think their assessment of the situation is off. If they all stood together in a united front, there's not enough Trumpian candidates to replace all, or even most, of them.

In a way, if I were one of those R senators, I'd be pissed that the transcript wasn't worse than it turned out to be. Maybe McConnell was hoping the transcript would be unequivocally, glaringly, absolutely Nixon level bad, giving him the clear excuse to push removal - maybe they all hoped that, which was why the decision to approve last night was unanimous.

  

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111. "any bets on other people coming forward?"
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because i don't think this is it, tbh

i would like to see the dam break on this presidency.

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117. "Pardon my severe ignorance on all this"
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but the Republican led Senate can kill any and all momentum on this, correct?

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118. "They can only kill the trial/removal. The impeachment is in the House."
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119. "RE: Pardon my severe ignorance on all this"
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>but the Republican led Senate can kill any and all momentum
>on this, correct?

If the House approves impeachment via a simple majority - a trial is then held in the Senate. House members act as the prosecutors; senators as jurors; the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court presides. A two-thirds supermajority in the Senate (67 out of 100) is required to convict and remove a president.

This has never happened.

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121. "Thanks for the breakdown."
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Given that the bulk of the impeachment is held by both chambers of Congress, this whole process is still largely political despite how many laws Trump and his cronies break.

I'm guessing the only way Trump will get removed if if he shames the Republicans so badly, they'll turn against him. I don't see that happening since I'm sure they are opportunist in their approach to the dude despite how much of a clown he is.

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126. "It's a political circus. "
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It can also be political suicide for the party pushing impeachment (unless they succeed and win the argument). The bar is set extraordinarily high for impeachment to succeed and for a President to actually be removed from office.

>Given that the bulk of the impeachment is held by both
>chambers of Congress, this whole process is still largely
>political despite how many laws Trump and his cronies break.

Everyone is posturing for 2020 (re)-election at this point - in both parties. Pelosi has been pressured for a while now to push for impeachment, and Republicans have basically decided to reject impeachment no matter what. The only play seems to be if Republicans feel that Trump is a loser in 2020 (or it's a loser for them to continue to support him in their local elections).

>I'm guessing the only way Trump will get removed if if he
>shames the Republicans so badly, they'll turn against him. I
>don't see that happening since I'm sure they are opportunist
>in their approach to the dude despite how much of a clown he
>is.

The Republicans have shown to have zero shame and have been stubbornly on the wrong side of history for a while now - I don't think anything changing that current within the next 12-18 months. I think the only way for this to be smart for Democrats is if they think their candidates are set to lose to Trump in 2020 - I don't see how this is politically favorable.

And of course - while we obsess over this - we don't put focus on the urgent and tragic military build-up in the Middle East, the fragile state of the world at the U.N. General Assembly - or the existential threat of climate change/planetary pollution that was highlighted earlier this week.

So it's not all good just because Nancy came out with a fairly muted endorsement for impeachment.


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123. "But Mitch has the power to determine when (and therefore if)..."
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...they actually hold a trial.

Which basically means they do it if and only if it's advantageous to Republicans.

It was also true that the Senate was supposed to hold confirmation hearings for Merrick Garland. Mitch just decided they wouldn't get around to it.

  

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127. "Yes - Kiev Mitch -- which again begs the question if you're a Democrat:"
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Is this worth the political risk - particularly when we're relying on Mitch McConnell and stalwart GOP lifers to render a supermajority in the Republican-led Senate?


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128. "One of the rare occasions where you and I agree."
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I'm kinda shocked. Gonna go play the lotto now.

  

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130. "RE: One of the rare occasions where you and I agree."
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>I'm kinda shocked. Gonna go play the lotto now.

I suppose anything is possible. Might as well play the lotto odds lol.


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132. "Out of curiosity, how many of the"
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Democratic nominees aren't pushing for impeachment right now? I think I saw something online that Tulsi Gabbard isn't because she claims it's too divisive for the country. And while I understand why publicly it's wise for the Democratic nominees to want to push for Trump's impeachment, especially in a primary, I have to wonder how much they worry privately about this whole process turning this moron into a political martyr and stirring up his base that much more.

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134. "As of this morning here was the list of House Dems not on board:"
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Rep. Terri Sewell of Alabama
Rep. Tom O'Halleran of Arizona
Rep. Josh Harder of California
Rep. Al Lawson of Florida
Rep. Stephanie Murphy of Florida
Rep. Frederica Wilson of Florida
Rep. Lucy McBath of Georgia
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii
Rep. Dan Lipinski of Illinois
Rep. Cheri Bustos of Illinois
Rep. Sharice Davids of Kansas
Rep. Jared Golden of Maine
Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota
Rep. Susie Lee of Nevada
Rep. Steven Horsford of Nevada
Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey
Rep. Xochitl Torres Small of New Mexico
Rep. Max Rose of New York
Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney of New York
Rep. Anthony Brindisi of New York
Rep. Kendra Horn of Oklahoma
Rep. Kurt Schrader of Oregon
Rep. Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania
Rep. Joe Cunningham of South Carolina
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez of Texas
Rep. Henry Cuellar of Texas
Rep. Sylvia Garcia of Texas
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas
Rep. Colin Allred of Texas
Rep. Ben McAdams of Utah
Rep. Ron Kind of Wisconsin

Of course - this list may have dwindled down some. Dems will likely get the simple majority needed in the House to proceed.


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137. "Nytimes.com has a live counter on their main page."
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(Kind of embarrassing that it's come to that, but I guess that's how congressional vote counting always works, behind closed doors.)

I haven't been paying close attention, but it seems like it's already moved once or twice today.

They're currently at 210, with 149 opposed (nearly all of them Republicans), and 75 still haven't taken sides. They need 8 more.

This, by the way, is for holding an "inquiry" (which supposedly they're doing regardless). The question of how many would support articles of impeachment is more murky, because for now people can say they're awaiting the results of the inquiry.

  

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156. "nice! Just saw that live counter. They'll get that 8, of course."
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But I don't think most people understand the procedural pitfalls that you've outlined here. The media (once again) is failing to dig into the details of this and are just riding the "Dems move forward with Impeachment!" train for as long as the ratings will sustain it.

>This, by the way, is for holding an "inquiry" (which
>supposedly they're doing regardless). The question of how many
>would support articles of impeachment is more murky, because
>for now people can say they're awaiting the results of the
>inquiry.
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162. "LOL, up to 213 now. Need 5 more. "
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This feels disturbingly similar to counting electoral votes as they come in.

  

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135. "They've been relatively quiet on it, probably in part for that reason."
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Members of Congress have the benefit of relatively uniform and predictable public opinion in their districts. Presidential candidates don't have that, especially in the general election.

There's also the issue that they generally want to be talking about "policy" at this point. And then there's the issue that they're talking to Democrats, and everybody agrees that they hate Trump, so there isn't much to gain.

But it seems like quite a few have come out in support of impeachment over the past month. I haven't been paying attention, but I think Warren, Harris, Booker, Castro, I THINK Sanders but I'm not sure. I think Gabbard is the only one who's expressed opposition.

  

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151. "To be fair, Tulsi is against impeachment (shocker)"
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So...you guys may agree, but I don't think its for the same reasons.

  

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172. "She is such fucking trash"
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Why be the worst democrat when you can be the best republican?

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301. "Actually - no she's not."
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She was against impeachment based on the botched and underwhelming Mueller Report proceedings on Russiagate - but given the new evidence in the Ukraine leaks - she's for pushing forth on impeachment.

  

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122. "Yes but then they have to put it on their record "
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and when all this shit shakes out that will be a stain they can't get rid of.

plus, all the shit that'll get exposed before the senate gets to vote?

They'll break eventually or they'll be broken

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124. "I don't think they even have to go on record."
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Mitch McConnell is the only one with the power to decide if a trial actually happens. If he finds an excuse, no matter how silly (...Merrick Garland...), then it just doesn't happen, and no GOP Senator has to take sides on the facts themselves, not even Mitch.

  

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125. "ah damn "
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can't all be gold!

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131. "I mean the press might be able to put people on record."
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(And I should admit I'm not 100% sure Mitch has the power to table the impeachment trial. That just seems to be a power he's used with impunity on everything else.)

To be honest, unless someone can come up with some halfway convincing talking points the GOP senators will have to be pretty fucking evasive over the coming year to actually avoid taking sides in the media.

But the actual impeachment trial itself, sadly all it is is a specific, clear, unambiguous constitutional requirement, which means it's only as certain as people's respect for the constitution.

  

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129. "It’s not gonna go anywhere because Senate Republicans are punks."
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142. "Forget the senate - the house is where the action is"
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We'll worry about the Senate when it gets there.

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155. "House voting for impeachment is a foregone conclusion though. "
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There’s more than brought Dems in the House to vote for impeachment so that’s definitely going to happen.

Which is why focusing on how the Senate Republicans are punks was my point lol.

  

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161. "Nah the Senate is where the action is on this."
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House can get the requisite votes easy to impeach. It's all benign if Kiev Mitch and 2/3rds of the Senate don't vote to impeach and remove Trump.

Relying on Mueller to save The Republic was bad enough - let's not foolishly rely on Mitch and the GOP Senators to save the day.

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147. "good. let them run on covering for a corrupt president in 2020."
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in states like co, az, ma, etc.

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165. "^^This here"
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IF the House holds a trial,
AND it shows what most non Republicans suspect:
Trump is corrupt and was asking foreign countries to lie about an American citizen.

AND they impeach him.

AND then Senate Republicans sqauahs the charges.

THEN every Democrat can campaign on how corrupt every Republican is.

That's a win for DEMS.

If the trail is fair in the Senate it's liekly he'll be removed (assuming he's impeached first.)

But: It won't be fair in the Senate.

THEN every Democrat can campaign on how corrupt every Republican is.

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133. "Trump & co scared AF"
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136. "acting dni threatened to resign if trump restrained his testimony"
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1176931894275051522
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Breaking via WaPo: The acting Director of National Intelligence threatened to resign over concerns that the White House might attempt to force him to stonewall Congress when he testifies Thursday about the explosive whistleblower complaint.

https://t.co/1YjL1PqK7D
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this shit is a mess.

honestly wh/doj intervening with the wb complaint made this 10x worse.

the gist of the ukrainian call, the withholding of military aid and giulianis crusade for biden dirt have all been previously reported on and didnt garner anywhere near this level of reaction. it all kinda slipped under the radar.

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148. "fuck pete davidson for elevating this dickhead:"
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https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1176910675358244864

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158. "fuck that pirate one eyed willie clown piece of shit..."
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163. "in the eyehole"
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160. "the most basic search of facts debunks the entire biden thing"
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such as the fact that the prosecutor cleared them BEFORE he was removed
or that a HUGE majority or the Urk parliment (or whateverthefuck they have) voted to remove him

its insanity

  

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159. "This CLOWN is talking abut the Election results again.. OMG"
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167. "what’s up with the reporters? "
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like, can you go to jail for challenging the president or something? Why don’t they challenge him to answer their question?

btw, this post is awesome

  

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