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"Trump Ukraine/Whistleblower Scandal"
Tue Sep-24-19 12:33 PM by Reeq

          

if this hurts both trump *and* biden then give that whistleblower a nobel prize lol.

  

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LOL
Sep 24th 2019
1
Depends on exactly what's the in Whistleblower's report.
Sep 24th 2019
2
      yeah im not getting excited for this
Sep 24th 2019
4
      trump already openly admitted to the Ukraine shit tho
Sep 24th 2019
9
      What he admitted to is probably not enough to get the
Sep 24th 2019
11
           i agree, but first things first. Impeach.
Sep 24th 2019
21
      You read it from Trump affiliated leaks in the media
Sep 24th 2019
12
           S/he states directly s/he didn't see or hear any of this firsthand.
Sep 26th 2019
181
Do you see the perpetrator? Yeah I'm right here.
Sep 24th 2019
3
^ right.
Sep 24th 2019
6
Schiff is in contact with the WB and they will be talking tomorrow.
Sep 24th 2019
14
IDK we'll see but this is looking too easy. Trump just turns over the ca...
Sep 24th 2019
29
      resigns and immediately pardoned by pence?
Sep 24th 2019
30
           I can't see resignation. I lean towards this being a distraction
Sep 24th 2019
48
                Maybe it wasn't mixed company at the time.
Sep 24th 2019
50
                What exactly makes you think he's some cagey, strategic genius?
Sep 25th 2019
59
                     He is definitely not playing 4D Chess while everyone else plays checkers
Sep 25th 2019
140
*eats knishes in this poast* . perfect reply. nm
Oct 02nd 2019
449
Trump is wild.
Sep 24th 2019
5
Bruh...this is the 2nd week of 24/7 coverage of this story
Sep 24th 2019
7
huh? did you read what he posted or nah?
Sep 24th 2019
8
RE: We can't talk about Trump's shit on here anymore?
Sep 24th 2019
10
Shouldn't ignore the whistle blower story
Sep 24th 2019
15
      Half that clip was about Trumpster = deflection/distraction
Sep 24th 2019
19
           Yeah it's a disparity in coverage but
Sep 24th 2019
23
                CNN runs a story about Climate Change Now...
Sep 24th 2019
24
                     It's on the CNN World site
Sep 24th 2019
25
                          Right, now compare that to CNN.com
Sep 24th 2019
26
                               No it doesn't look right. I see it but
Sep 24th 2019
28
LoL
Sep 24th 2019
22
lol
Sep 24th 2019
32
So, who’s your favorite transformer.
Sep 24th 2019
13
please, go on
Sep 24th 2019
31
‘This is formal impeachment proceedings’ - Nadler 8.8.19
Sep 24th 2019
35
      no, really don't stop
Sep 25th 2019
65
           They’re “impeaching” based on a report
Sep 25th 2019
69
                yup, keep doing what you're doing
Sep 25th 2019
81
                     Trumpster meets with Ukraine President
Sep 25th 2019
87
                          Ds are “impeaching” based on an anonymous whistleblower
Sep 26th 2019
178
                               holy shit dude.
Sep 26th 2019
180
                                    R U NOT ENTERTAINED!?!
Sep 26th 2019
202
                                         keep going.
Sep 26th 2019
270
                                              I’m hearing a lot of people say
Sep 26th 2019
274
That's why I think it's a con game.
Sep 25th 2019
70
      Then you haven't been paying attention
Sep 26th 2019
218
           the aid was released earlier in the month
Sep 26th 2019
222
           Biden withheld payments of a billion dollars when he was VP
Sep 26th 2019
265
                both of y'all are seemingly purposefully missing the point
Sep 26th 2019
278
                     What law did he break?
Sep 26th 2019
280
                          Can you fucking read ? Good god man.
Sep 26th 2019
281
                          Too early to talk about Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden?
Sep 26th 2019
290
                          THIS PART IS ALREADY THE UNSPOKEN RULE
Oct 13th 2019
553
Pelosi seems to be on board now, which means it will probably
Sep 24th 2019
16
McConnell won't let a trial happen.
Sep 24th 2019
17
      If he doesn't let a trial happen now and then Trump wins in 2020,
Sep 24th 2019
18
           Good question. I'm not sure.
Sep 24th 2019
20
           Yes.
Sep 25th 2019
177
based on how odd the world has been i can see this helping biden
Sep 24th 2019
27
trump is shook.
Sep 24th 2019
33
Senate doing.... say what now?
Sep 24th 2019
34
this actually got me kinda nervous lol.
Sep 24th 2019
36
      He may have made up his mind that he wants Pence to run in 2020
Sep 24th 2019
37
      a few folks notice karen pence has started rebranding herself.
Sep 24th 2019
39
      Pretty sure it's a setup for a bait & switch.
Sep 24th 2019
43
      its suspicious that they keep saying the wh will release the complaint
Sep 24th 2019
45
      Yea I don't trust any of this for a second haha.
Sep 24th 2019
51
Trump wants to work it out with Pelosi lol
Sep 24th 2019
38
you can tell your people to obey the law
Sep 24th 2019
40
Senate voted UNANIMOUSLY to send the WB complaint to Congress
Sep 24th 2019
41
But why now ?
Sep 24th 2019
52
      I think they try to fake the transcript
Sep 24th 2019
55
      This story is so much worst, and easier to prove then the Russian Scanda...
Sep 25th 2019
62
           Yea but his blatant crimes as president are beyond the Russia scandal.
Sep 25th 2019
63
                everything w/Ukraine is a part of the Russia scandal
Sep 26th 2019
221
                     Yep exactly - that too.
Sep 26th 2019
225
you know whats next..
Sep 24th 2019
42
my boy is back!
Sep 24th 2019
44
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9Igtjxw42qVPziy4/giphy.gif
Sep 24th 2019
47
OH SHIT !
Sep 24th 2019
53
LOL nah....you have too many Ls
Sep 24th 2019
54
i said he was goin to prison...nothings changed
Sep 25th 2019
174
      Homie you're being VERY disingenuous.
Sep 25th 2019
175
https://youtu.be/IUWBcZ4XEZ4
Sep 25th 2019
58
you should start upping old posts.. ... like a sports agenda
Sep 25th 2019
60
https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac/giphy.gif
Sep 24th 2019
46
somebody has started throwing giuliani under the bus.
Sep 24th 2019
49
rudy saying he got receipts on the state department in his phone lol.
Sep 24th 2019
56
      This reads...
Sep 25th 2019
61
just to let you know how far corruption is normalized in our country
Sep 24th 2019
57
You can’t shame rich and powerful white people in America.
Sep 25th 2019
67
i'm wondering if its going to be about more than just this?
Sep 25th 2019
64
I didn't hear the whole thing either but she said she wants ...
Sep 25th 2019
66
      yea.. this is a mistake..
Sep 25th 2019
68
wait... the transcript shows exactly what is being claimed? lol
Sep 25th 2019
71
If they released this imagine how bad the stuff we don’t know is
Sep 25th 2019
72
someone said, 'they did a poor job removing crimes from the memo'
Sep 25th 2019
74
      what's hilarious is that, in typical Trump fashion...
Sep 25th 2019
76
RE: wait... the transcript shows exactly what is being claimed? lol
Sep 25th 2019
73
im honestly surprised the transcript was this similar to the acccusation...
Sep 25th 2019
88
Does anyone know if there's a more reliable transcript or a recording?
Sep 25th 2019
75
Apparently standard practice is just to have a few people listen in,
Sep 25th 2019
79
      Got it. Thanks for the explanation
Sep 25th 2019
80
           Also, it sounds like EVENTUALLY...
Sep 25th 2019
82
                Yeah, that might be the road map to where the bodies are buried
Sep 25th 2019
83
                     i don't know about that...
Sep 25th 2019
84
                          lol!
Sep 25th 2019
85
                          LMAO @ Tekashi
Sep 25th 2019
90
                               It is a little weird we have this transcript but NOT the WB complaint.
Sep 25th 2019
92
So Giuliani committed treason or espionage too
Sep 25th 2019
77
that's kinda the other piece i took from all this.
Sep 25th 2019
78
both the dni and the ig referred this to the doj
Sep 25th 2019
86
I saw that...its hard to imagine
Sep 25th 2019
97
      i honestly love the way this played out and hope dems learn from it.
Sep 25th 2019
113
It's like a spy novel written by Elmore Leonard
Sep 25th 2019
89
this shit is hilarious. wtf thinks recall email works?
Sep 25th 2019
91
thank jah these people are idiots.
Sep 25th 2019
94
I'm crying...I'd love to know who sent it
Sep 25th 2019
99
WH Staff Intern Dewey Crowe
Sep 25th 2019
115
Stupid Fucking Watergate
Sep 25th 2019
109
Reality is truly stranger than fiction these days.
Sep 25th 2019
143
btw its not being included in the reporting on this
Sep 25th 2019
93
also this is so much easier for dems to sell than mueller was.
Sep 25th 2019
95
MUCH easier. Even I think this could amount to something.
Sep 25th 2019
100
      if *this* doesnt move the needle at all
Sep 25th 2019
103
           Well, but how many times have we said that?
Sep 25th 2019
112
                fair points all around.
Sep 25th 2019
146
                     2018 was definitely a referendum on Trump,
Sep 25th 2019
166
If this doesn't take Trump down, it strengthens him
Sep 25th 2019
96
his base is always gonna be fired up. fox news keeps them that way.
Sep 25th 2019
106
Yes - but if they launch impeachment, they need to win
Sep 25th 2019
114
      ^correction: Clinton impeachment was devastating to Republicans
Sep 25th 2019
138
      clinton impeachment was not devastating to repubs. thats a myth.
Sep 25th 2019
141
           ^
Sep 25th 2019
144
           But honestly I see a lot of wishful thinking in this revisionist history...
Sep 25th 2019
149
           2008 ?
Sep 25th 2019
173
                Sorry. I meant 1998.
Sep 25th 2019
176
           Thank you...by the way
Sep 25th 2019
152
           Trump should've been impeached 2 years ago.
Sep 25th 2019
154
                true. And he should be today
Sep 25th 2019
164
           I think you're only looking at the numbers, sans context.
Sep 25th 2019
153
      honestly its not hard for dems to 'win' impeachment
Sep 25th 2019
139
           ^
Sep 25th 2019
145
           by "win' I mean actually succeeding in impeachment proceedings.
Sep 25th 2019
150
                so swing voters will go for taking their insurance
Sep 25th 2019
157
                     slow down - you're projecting an awful lot.
Sep 25th 2019
168
Pelosi in charge is a major difference.
Sep 26th 2019
185
      Please expound.
Sep 26th 2019
247
      Based on what exactly?
Sep 26th 2019
259
      me too. i'd prefer to see Schiff in charge, tbh
Sep 26th 2019
269
           Hell yes - agree a trillion %.
Sep 26th 2019
282
      I don't get the Pelosi adulation
Sep 26th 2019
279
      RE: Pelosi in charge is a major difference.
Sep 28th 2019
319
White House sends Ukrain talking points to Dems (by accident)
Sep 25th 2019
98
Tori Q is on indeed.com right about now lol
Sep 25th 2019
102
One of the most concerning things to me: what is Giuliani's job?
Sep 25th 2019
101
Whatever is on Nosferatu's job description.
Sep 25th 2019
105
co-conspirator.
Sep 25th 2019
108
      Senior Co-Conspirator
Sep 25th 2019
116
           Executive Vice President in charge of Co-Conspiracy.
Sep 25th 2019
120
I give a 30% chance the Senate Republicans use this as their
Sep 25th 2019
104
repub mike murphy: 30 repub senators would vote to impeach
Sep 25th 2019
107
If 8 - 9 would come out in favor of it, they would be able to get at lea...
Sep 25th 2019
110
any bets on other people coming forward?
Sep 25th 2019
111
Pardon my severe ignorance on all this
Sep 25th 2019
117
They can only kill the trial/removal. The impeachment is in the House.
Sep 25th 2019
118
RE: Pardon my severe ignorance on all this
Sep 25th 2019
119
Thanks for the breakdown.
Sep 25th 2019
121
It's a political circus.
Sep 25th 2019
126
But Mitch has the power to determine when (and therefore if)...
Sep 25th 2019
123
      Yes - Kiev Mitch -- which again begs the question if you're a Democrat:
Sep 25th 2019
127
           One of the rare occasions where you and I agree.
Sep 25th 2019
128
                RE: One of the rare occasions where you and I agree.
Sep 25th 2019
130
                Out of curiosity, how many of the
Sep 25th 2019
132
                As of this morning here was the list of House Dems not on board:
Sep 25th 2019
134
                Nytimes.com has a live counter on their main page.
Sep 25th 2019
137
                     nice! Just saw that live counter. They'll get that 8, of course.
Sep 25th 2019
156
                          LOL, up to 213 now. Need 5 more.
Sep 25th 2019
162
                They've been relatively quiet on it, probably in part for that reason.
Sep 25th 2019
135
                To be fair, Tulsi is against impeachment (shocker)
Sep 25th 2019
151
                     She is such fucking trash
Sep 25th 2019
172
                     Actually - no she's not.
Sep 27th 2019
301
Yes but then they have to put it on their record
Sep 25th 2019
122
      I don't think they even have to go on record.
Sep 25th 2019
124
           ah damn
Sep 25th 2019
125
                I mean the press might be able to put people on record.
Sep 25th 2019
131
It’s not gonna go anywhere because Senate Republicans are punks.
Sep 25th 2019
129
Forget the senate - the house is where the action is
Sep 25th 2019
142
House voting for impeachment is a foregone conclusion though.
Sep 25th 2019
155
Nah the Senate is where the action is on this.
Sep 25th 2019
161
good. let them run on covering for a corrupt president in 2020.
Sep 25th 2019
147
      ^^This here
Sep 25th 2019
165
Trump & co scared AF
Sep 25th 2019
133
acting dni threatened to resign if trump restrained his testimony
Sep 25th 2019
136
fuck pete davidson for elevating this dickhead:
Sep 25th 2019
148
fuck that pirate one eyed willie clown piece of shit...
Sep 25th 2019
158
in the eyehole
Sep 25th 2019
163
the most basic search of facts debunks the entire biden thing
Sep 25th 2019
160
This CLOWN is talking abut the Election results again.. OMG
Sep 25th 2019
159
what’s up with the reporters?
Sep 25th 2019
167
Russian Bots
Sep 25th 2019
169
Challenge him how?
Sep 25th 2019
170
      that he’s not answering the question...
Sep 25th 2019
171
Consciousness of guilt. Coverup.
Sep 26th 2019
179
LOL nunes is BOOOOMBING
Sep 26th 2019
182
None of the Dems are asking about what's in the complaint, though.
Sep 26th 2019
184
these hearings are so frustrating.
Sep 26th 2019
187
      Someone at 538 had what I thought was a plausible explanation.
Sep 26th 2019
205
maguire wasn't giving him the answers that he wanted
Sep 26th 2019
191
WTF Tekashi45!?!
Sep 26th 2019
183
to let repubs know pence is gone too and pelosi will be prez.
Sep 26th 2019
186
Yup. People forget: Trump doesn't give a shit about Republicans.
Sep 26th 2019
209
      But he gives a shit about staying in power.
Sep 26th 2019
216
           Yup.
Sep 26th 2019
223
He's thinking this will stick to Pence and not him
Sep 26th 2019
226
whistleblower said theres a secret stash of tapes just like watergate
Sep 26th 2019
188
the fact that a lot of dems want to hurry through this whole process
Sep 26th 2019
189
jackie speier finally doing the lords work.
Sep 26th 2019
193
RE: whistleblower said theres a secret stash of tapes just like waterga...
Sep 26th 2019
197
      here ya go
Sep 26th 2019
200
           i just take that to mean transcripts
Sep 26th 2019
207
                oh i didnt mean tapes literally.
Sep 26th 2019
211
                i guess i was being hopefuly
Sep 26th 2019
217
                The claim (and I heard this even before the WB report came out)...
Sep 26th 2019
212
                     I must have misunderstood this.
Sep 26th 2019
255
                          i think the closest i remember reading was an app
Sep 26th 2019
273
this hearing is fun!
Sep 26th 2019
190
These Republicans are Spineless
Sep 26th 2019
192
completely corrupt.
Sep 26th 2019
195
House Intelligence Committee releases Whistleblower Complaint
Sep 26th 2019
194
"Dan Coats timing is better than mine." hilarity
Sep 26th 2019
196
If darkness can't cast out darkness corruption can't cast out corruption
Sep 26th 2019
198
I'm here for the theater. Thank you tho
Sep 26th 2019
206
Coats heard about that report and was like Nah, I'm out.
Sep 26th 2019
199
      Shit is wild. Trump putting pressure on the entire eastern block
Sep 26th 2019
208
coverage of these hearings should do a better job emphasizing the fact
Sep 26th 2019
201
Again, Only OKP can do it better.... SMH.
Sep 26th 2019
203
Dems need to call that out with bullhorns
Sep 26th 2019
215
Rudy is not built for this
Sep 26th 2019
204
Rudy is giving non trump media one story and fox another
Sep 26th 2019
210
oddly enough he said that on fox too lol.
Sep 26th 2019
213
this man is a lawyer!!!!!
Sep 26th 2019
224
with lawyers like these who needs enemies!
Sep 26th 2019
229
Guiliani6ix9ine's descent into madness is *chef's kiss*
Sep 26th 2019
228
the best part about having these hearings in the daytime...
Sep 26th 2019
214
Will this circle back around to the Manafort mess at some point?
Sep 26th 2019
219
absolutely. it will and already has. the dots are connected
Sep 26th 2019
220
lost in all the noise: this is the *2nd* time trump threatened
Sep 26th 2019
233
      smh
Sep 26th 2019
238
After viewing the Acting DNI's testimony, i think he's sincere
Sep 26th 2019
227
when he first got elevated the reporting said he didnt want the job.
Sep 26th 2019
231
ok that I can agree with..you said it better than me
Sep 26th 2019
234
^^^ see: his smirk at "This is life under a Democrat controlled house"
Sep 26th 2019
271
Sincere ? nah
Sep 26th 2019
232
Not saying he was right to do that, however
Sep 26th 2019
236
i disagree
Sep 26th 2019
262
      I dunno. You have a point but I also think ...
Sep 26th 2019
284
           its not
Sep 27th 2019
295
oh look. impeachment not looking so bad for dems among the public.
Sep 26th 2019
230
I think you hit it on the head several times
Sep 26th 2019
242
Pelosi shouldn't get credit, but she's handled this the right way
Sep 26th 2019
246
RE: Pelosi shouldn't get credit, but she's handled this the right way
Sep 26th 2019
252
      i hear you
Sep 26th 2019
266
pelosi could have jumped the gun just to please the base.
Sep 26th 2019
251
      meh I think that is a reach
Sep 26th 2019
256
           fam i specifically mentioned myself as someone
Sep 26th 2019
261
another poll:
Sep 26th 2019
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another one:
Sep 26th 2019
249
and another:
Sep 26th 2019
258
i give pelosi zero credit. none
Sep 26th 2019
264
There is no smarter strategist in politics than Nancy Pelosi.
Sep 26th 2019
268
I'm trying to tell people.
Sep 30th 2019
343
Republicans demonize literally every democrat.
Sep 30th 2019
347
ok now that you've laid it out like that, wow...yes
Sep 30th 2019
351
      The 2005 Social Security showdown alone...
Sep 30th 2019
377
politico poll: highest support for impeachment of trumps presidency.
Sep 26th 2019
277
nytimes soft unmasking the whistleblower.
Sep 26th 2019
235
This seems to be very irresponsible of the Times.
Sep 26th 2019
237
the whistleblowers attorney denounced it.
Sep 26th 2019
239
here's audio of Trump implying we need to kill the whistleblower's sourc...
Sep 26th 2019
241
Whoa holy shit.
Sep 26th 2019
243
the more he talks, the more it helps Dems man
Sep 26th 2019
244
      I still have trust issues brother hahah.
Sep 26th 2019
250
           I hear you
Sep 26th 2019
260
                Oh for sure.
Sep 26th 2019
285
                     I'm tempted
Sep 27th 2019
313
It's pretty sad
Sep 26th 2019
245
the shit that repub politicians/voters give him a pass on is deplorable.
Sep 26th 2019
253
He's a symptom, not the problem.
Sep 26th 2019
254
The voters I can somewhat stomach
Sep 26th 2019
263
funny that he uses the word treason
Sep 26th 2019
257
      Haha yea I had a laugh about that too. So obviously insane.
Sep 26th 2019
286
i really fail to understand dean baquet
Sep 26th 2019
272
black women are consistently the best thing on cable news.
Sep 26th 2019
240
I’m not sold...
Sep 26th 2019
267
The trade deal with China will happen once the hearings are underway
Sep 26th 2019
275
Either that or that's when he blows the whole thing up.
Sep 26th 2019
276
Possible. He'll do anything to avoid feelings of responsibility
Sep 26th 2019
288
You always find the silver lining in Trump's
Sep 26th 2019
283
      I didn't say it would be a good deal
Sep 26th 2019
287
I'm CRINE
Sep 26th 2019
289
Monica Zelensky
Sep 27th 2019
291
tulsi gabbard becomes the 1st republican to support impeachment inquiry.
Sep 27th 2019
292
LOL
Sep 27th 2019
293
*pats shiny ass chest with red hanky*
Sep 27th 2019
294
2nd republican comes out in favor of impeachment inquiry.
Sep 27th 2019
296
Funny thing is, Tulsi is lightyears more progressive and Democratic
Sep 27th 2019
302
her and her long history as a progressive since *checks notes* 2017.
Sep 27th 2019
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      LOL
Sep 27th 2019
312
That was a quick change
Sep 28th 2019
318
Ukraine envoy has resigned lol
Sep 27th 2019
297
news broken by a freak'n school newspaper
Sep 27th 2019
298
nytimes had the potential scoop of a lifetime with rudy and ukraine
Sep 27th 2019
303
i was told the impeachment inquiry was supposed to be bad for dems.
Sep 27th 2019
300
      honestly for me this was the most disappointing of takes
Sep 28th 2019
330
           SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS
Sep 29th 2019
334
white house confirms ukraine transcript moved to codeword server.
Sep 27th 2019
299
Also put calls with MBS and Putin in there
Sep 27th 2019
304
      nothing to see here (c)
Sep 27th 2019
305
We've gotten to the ch*ld p*rn uploaded at Mar-a-lago part of the story
Sep 27th 2019
307
somebody is clearly pissed off.
Sep 27th 2019
308
nm
Sep 28th 2019
317
trump told russians he didnt care about them interfering in election.
Sep 27th 2019
309
the dominoes are falling
Sep 27th 2019
310
you are doing the lord's work
Sep 27th 2019
311
thx good brother.
Sep 27th 2019
314
      i want her to fukkin lose
Sep 27th 2019
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           sameski.
Sep 27th 2019
316
Serious question though:
Sep 28th 2019
322
      LOL
Sep 28th 2019
323
      LOL serious question
Sep 28th 2019
324
      let's not even get into the irony of "navajo" in your name
Sep 30th 2019
345
      fam.
Sep 28th 2019
326
      K. Guess we're all riding with Kissinger foreign policy now.
Sep 29th 2019
332
      America is missing this part of its brain
Sep 29th 2019
337
      Right. It really cheapens the claims of outrage.
Sep 29th 2019
340
      We can break into houses all day but when ours gets broken into
Sep 30th 2019
344
      basically.
Sep 30th 2019
346
      Right.
Sep 30th 2019
348
      everyone knows our foreign policy is trash
Sep 30th 2019
350
      well, clearly not *everyone* know this.
Sep 30th 2019
352
      good lord LOLLLL
Oct 01st 2019
394
      America is full of smug & self righteous hypocrites
Oct 13th 2019
552
list of whistleblower details that have been confirmed so far:
Sep 28th 2019
320
heres a graphic on the change in public opinion during watergate
Sep 28th 2019
321
back on their 'but her emails' bullshit!
Sep 28th 2019
325
all i want in this world is a dem president
Sep 28th 2019
327
they gotta be trolling right?
Sep 28th 2019
328
that's straight out of the Five Heartbeats
Sep 28th 2019
329
I 100% think this is a good thing.
Sep 29th 2019
336
RE: they gotta be trolling right?
Sep 29th 2019
339
what's the lead?
Sep 29th 2019
331
u mad
Sep 29th 2019
341
and uninformed. a dangerous combination.
Sep 30th 2019
349
are you being serious?
Sep 30th 2019
354
333!
Sep 29th 2019
333
So how much longer does white America have? 60 80 years max
Sep 29th 2019
335
I'm really trying to say is how is this country going to survive this?
Sep 29th 2019
338
the president's tweeter feed is a fukkin mess, lol
Sep 29th 2019
342
now Australia is involved...
Sep 30th 2019
353
things are rolling right along
Sep 30th 2019
355
Italy and Great Britain also
Sep 30th 2019
364
He could have easily just not done any of this like a rational person
Sep 30th 2019
356
right
Sep 30th 2019
358
dude steps on every rake in front of him.
Sep 30th 2019
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If there's one thing that Drumf likes to do, it's the same thing over & ...
Sep 30th 2019
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      he only thinks in terms of branding
Sep 30th 2019
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anyone watch last week tonight?
Sep 30th 2019
357
i havent seen it but dude is essentially if mr bean became pm of the uk.
Sep 30th 2019
360
the whistleblower/leaks just goes to show how cowardly
Sep 30th 2019
362
and that they are 'patriots'
Sep 30th 2019
365
      seriously all them dudes did was stop trump
Sep 30th 2019
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and pompeo was on the call with ukraine after playing dumb for a week.
Sep 30th 2019
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i think their strategy is to commit SO many crimes/impeachable offenses
Sep 30th 2019
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      Ah the old "They cant stop us all lets see dem aliens" defense
Sep 30th 2019
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           Giuliani be on TV like
Sep 30th 2019
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           Indestructible like Mr Burns.
Sep 30th 2019
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                Definitely
Sep 30th 2019
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wtf was mueller doing for 18 months?
Sep 30th 2019
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In hindsight what a fucking cowardly disappointment he was.
Sep 30th 2019
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that is such a dumb statement
Oct 01st 2019
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stfu
Oct 01st 2019
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      lol
Oct 01st 2019
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      ^^^^^
Oct 01st 2019
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      LOL :)~
Oct 04th 2019
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I disagree
Oct 01st 2019
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      The report was DAMNING but hardly damaging IMO.
Oct 01st 2019
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           exactly...I can't believe folks are STILL fans of this dude
Oct 01st 2019
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           ken starr briefed media almost daily during the clinton investigation.
Oct 01st 2019
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                Ken Starr also had a different job.
Oct 01st 2019
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                     the special counsel (post 1999 expiration) still maintains
Oct 01st 2019
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                          Yessah.
Oct 01st 2019
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huh? are you serious?
Oct 01st 2019
379
Fair enough. But I don't think 45* suffered much from it.
Oct 01st 2019
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sis its all about the big fish
Oct 01st 2019
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      Preach.
Oct 01st 2019
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      no doubt. like i said he's no hero
Oct 04th 2019
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Nah
Oct 01st 2019
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Protecting Republicans and the Establishment, like he always does
Oct 01st 2019
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      Pretty much.
Oct 01st 2019
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      yeah repubs ultimately look out for repubs.
Oct 01st 2019
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           Conservatives be playing the LONG ball
Oct 01st 2019
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           party above everything.
Oct 01st 2019
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                this is how i know most ppl dont know shit abt politics
Oct 02nd 2019
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                     100.
Oct 02nd 2019
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           Scream it from the rooftops.
Oct 01st 2019
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Pompeo and Gorka's Excellent Adventure
Sep 30th 2019
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This shit is bonkers
Sep 30th 2019
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How you should be feeling about all this (vid)
Sep 30th 2019
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LOL
Oct 01st 2019
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Yes, nothing will come from the Ukraine thing
Oct 01st 2019
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      If nothing comes of all of this, the 2020 election is (probably) doomed
Oct 01st 2019
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      One thing that likely comes of the Ukraine thing...
Oct 01st 2019
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           It's weird agreeing with you lol
Oct 01st 2019
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           I don't really think candidates *are* throwing all their eggs ..
Oct 01st 2019
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                Right. And people are overblowing what Senate acquittal would do
Oct 01st 2019
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                     This for sure.
Oct 01st 2019
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           One thing that likely comes of the Ukraine thing...Biden is the nominee
Oct 01st 2019
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                lol what ?
Oct 01st 2019
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                Pay him no mind.
Oct 01st 2019
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                Great post...would read again
Oct 01st 2019
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                     "I know you are but what am I ?!?" © bentagain
Oct 01st 2019
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                No...Pelosi is.
Oct 01st 2019
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                     Unfortunately this is prolly true.
Oct 02nd 2019
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                     RNC raised $125M in the 3rd quarter
Oct 02nd 2019
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                     Nah
Oct 02nd 2019
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                This is a good point that most aren't getting:
Oct 01st 2019
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                     R Senate delayed a supreme court nomination for over a year
Oct 01st 2019
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                     1 year since Khashoggi was murdered by MBS
Oct 02nd 2019
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Yeah this is where I'm at with it
Oct 01st 2019
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I love it. This lets me know Trump is not CIA, NSA or FBI affiliated
Oct 01st 2019
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pompeo tried to play tough guy lol.
Oct 01st 2019
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pelosi *and* schiff to hold a press conference tomorrow
Oct 01st 2019
413
Can't Pompeo be arrested ?
Oct 01st 2019
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      So many people could be arrested for contempt/obstruction.
Oct 02nd 2019
429
           Yea, right right.
Oct 02nd 2019
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sidenote: the head of dhs says he has lost control of his own agency
Oct 01st 2019
416
white house upgraded codeword system to track/minimize leaks.
Oct 01st 2019
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poll: only 40% of repubs believe trump talked about investigating biden
Oct 01st 2019
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Republicans are trash.
Oct 01st 2019
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I mean polls can't be taken at face value like this.
Oct 02nd 2019
428
Here's a blog for analytical impeachment coverage for those interested.
Oct 02nd 2019
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savvy move by pelosi to get dc media to tune into her press conference
Oct 02nd 2019
433
Yea was just talking about both these things with my friend.
Oct 02nd 2019
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schumer looks like he is ready to pack it in.
Oct 02nd 2019
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folks stay underestimating her tho lol
Oct 04th 2019
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one of the underrated short term benefits to an impeachment inquiry
Oct 02nd 2019
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The entire thing is unraveling.
Oct 02nd 2019
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i saw someone tweet 'the people vs larry swamp' lol.
Oct 02nd 2019
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Wait, isn't that press conference about to happen?
Oct 02nd 2019
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      yeah i meant the 1st sitdown joint.
Oct 02nd 2019
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omg..its awesome watching this bastard unravel in front of the world
Oct 02nd 2019
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it really is
Oct 03rd 2019
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Shifty Shift, corrupt CNN, bright eyed n bushy tailed
Oct 02nd 2019
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Two weeks in this, no inquiry yet, and he's already coming apart
Oct 02nd 2019
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RE: Two weeks in this, no inquiry yet, and he's already coming apart
Oct 02nd 2019
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trump and pence teams are leaking on each other.
Oct 02nd 2019
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yeah. its over.
Oct 02nd 2019
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3 *republican* senators sent letter to ukraine echoing biden.
Oct 03rd 2019
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this keeps getting wilder each day
Oct 03rd 2019
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Yep.
Oct 03rd 2019
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https://media.giphy.com/media/lTB6FKY1fmAZhhv1En/giphy.gif
Oct 03rd 2019
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Trump on Thursday: China should investigate the Bidens
Oct 03rd 2019
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Ha but it's working/has always worked for him.
Oct 03rd 2019
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      If he does it out in the open, then it can't be bad
Oct 03rd 2019
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house minority leader mccarthy calls for pelosi to suspend inquiry.
Oct 03rd 2019
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the amount of noise is concerning
Oct 03rd 2019
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      the waters are kinda muddy but i do see dems saying that.
Oct 03rd 2019
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      The murky messaging has always been my biggest issue
Oct 03rd 2019
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      What ?
Oct 03rd 2019
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           LOL. If I had half a penny everytime someone responded ...
Oct 03rd 2019
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           lol
Oct 03rd 2019
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           So, in addition to being unable to have a constructive exchange...
Oct 03rd 2019
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                My dude it's been said more than once ...
Oct 03rd 2019
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           Nah, protecting Biden and the donor class he represents is a legit
Oct 03rd 2019
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      No they're doing a pretty poor job, as expected.
Oct 03rd 2019
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      people forget that in a true democracy, there's no perfect alignment
Oct 04th 2019
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           ? that doesn't apply here
Oct 04th 2019
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                first of all
Nov 11th 2019
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i shouldnt still be amazed by the cognitive dissonance on the right
Oct 03rd 2019
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RE: i shouldnt still be amazed by the cognitive dissonance on the right
Oct 03rd 2019
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It's often really hard to see through all the fog but ...
Oct 03rd 2019
470
People still fly confederate flags 150 years later
Oct 03rd 2019
474
MAGA would be the latest Heritage not Hate
Oct 04th 2019
497
They don't care about any of that. Which is why focusing on
Oct 03rd 2019
475
I do wonder if things would shift even a little if some more GOP
Oct 03rd 2019
476
Yea this is it right here.
Oct 03rd 2019
483
how repub voters dont see trump is blatantly full of shit
Oct 03rd 2019
477
It's not cognitive dissonance- most Republicans are plain liars
Oct 03rd 2019
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they're more concerned about protecting thier interests than
Oct 13th 2019
554
how many smoking guns are we gonna get? (new text messages)
Oct 03rd 2019
467
LOL
Oct 03rd 2019
471
& then the envoy to the EU says "let's take this off text I disagree"
Oct 03rd 2019
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i'm just really surprised tax returns haven't leaked yet
Oct 03rd 2019
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Agreed. I'ma try and find the article but I thought I saw something ...
Oct 03rd 2019
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      Here it is: IRS WB
Oct 03rd 2019
486
Trump done
Oct 03rd 2019
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he's done... but not because of the GOP
Oct 04th 2019
487
      Unfortunately, the Electoral College gives him a shot
Oct 04th 2019
488
      I really want to someday find out what the hell happened here.
Oct 04th 2019
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and here we are still searching for the elusive republican..
Oct 04th 2019
490
Let's focus!!
Oct 04th 2019
496
**raises hand**
Oct 04th 2019
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oh look. a republican senator was told about the quid pro quo in august
Oct 04th 2019
499
s/o to julian castro for turning the heat up. all dems should join in.
Oct 04th 2019
502
btw yall boy chuck 'both sides' todd been letting his nuts hang lately.
Oct 04th 2019
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Nevermind
Oct 04th 2019
501
trump throwing rick perry under the bus lol.
Oct 05th 2019
503
so there's potentially up to 7 whistleblowers about to come forward?
Oct 06th 2019
504
No good
Oct 06th 2019
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      seriously
Oct 07th 2019
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      I mean. I get what you guys are saying.
Oct 07th 2019
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           i guess im worried about the spin
Oct 07th 2019
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      LOL. "Why present seven witnesses to a multitude of crimes...
Oct 07th 2019
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      Snark all you want
Oct 07th 2019
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           You know what's easier to discredit than seven people? One person
Oct 08th 2019
514
                THIS
Oct 08th 2019
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                     F'real.
Oct 08th 2019
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                     except they’re leading everyone else
Oct 09th 2019
519
      I disagree on this.
Oct 07th 2019
509
           Well said - correct.
Oct 07th 2019
510
                I honestly think the real determining factor is still economic shifts.
Oct 07th 2019
512
Trump/White House Official Defense: The president is above the law.
Oct 09th 2019
517
Trump just FUCK YO COUCH to the Impeachment Inquiry
Oct 09th 2019
518
      i hate that they found the cheat codes to the government
Oct 10th 2019
523
Two Giuliani comrades arrested on campaign finance charges.
Oct 10th 2019
520
i honestly wonder if this was to stop them from testifying
Oct 10th 2019
521
I think it's to force them to testify bc they weren't expected to appear
Oct 10th 2019
522
also it is making clear that 45 is fucked in NYC once he finally leaves ...
Oct 10th 2019
524
arrested at the airport while trying to leave the country
Oct 10th 2019
525
      less than 12 hours after AG Barr was told about the investigation
Oct 10th 2019
526
      WOW.....
Oct 10th 2019
527
      2 one way tickets to Epsteinland
Oct 10th 2019
528
      giuliani was also planning to fly to vienna tonight.
Oct 10th 2019
529
      they say his pirate limp gave him away
Oct 10th 2019
531
      👍🏾
Oct 12th 2019
540
      "They might be tapin'" (c)E-40
Oct 10th 2019
533
trump: i dont know these niggas.
Oct 10th 2019
530
      not THEM niggas!
Oct 10th 2019
532
      Those fuckin smiles.
Oct 11th 2019
535
senior advisor to mike pompeo resigns.
Oct 10th 2019
534
Shepard Smith abruptly leaving Fox News.
Oct 11th 2019
536
wonder if it has to do with barr meeting with murdoch
Oct 11th 2019
537
These nimrods sent their talking points to Democrats AGAIN.
Oct 11th 2019
538
crazy part is the media now has access to these talking points
Oct 12th 2019
539
MSNBC giving Giuliani tips on how NOT to incriminate himself
Oct 12th 2019
541
The U.S selling out the Kurds...
Oct 12th 2019
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I agree.
Oct 12th 2019
543
Not sure I follow you here:
Oct 23rd 2019
574
trump is executing putins plan for syria.
Oct 12th 2019
544
he's certainly not doing anything in America's interests
Oct 13th 2019
556
U.S. military evacuating and withdrawing from northern Syria
Oct 13th 2019
555
RE: Trump Ukraine/Whistleblower Scandal
Oct 12th 2019
545
trump is done (narrative-wise).
Oct 12th 2019
546
That text was the written equivalent to this:
Oct 12th 2019
547
      EXCELLENT pull
Oct 13th 2019
551
Trump has POISONED the courts , he'll survive
Oct 13th 2019
548
William Barr is evener CRAZIER than Trump
Oct 13th 2019
549
trump met with giuliani for lunch today
Oct 13th 2019
550
Yo... the erdogan letter... wtf
Oct 17th 2019
557
It's like a letter from your barely literate landlord regarding
Oct 17th 2019
558
My favorite is the ending.
Oct 17th 2019
559
If you read each sentence as a tweet in his voice, it all makes sense
Oct 17th 2019
560
https://twitter.com/TonyAtamanuik/status/1184583773167538176
Oct 17th 2019
561
president villain
Oct 18th 2019
565
get over it
Oct 17th 2019
562
Walked it back
Oct 17th 2019
563
      It's incredible that these dudes somehow still have power.
Oct 18th 2019
564
mitch: my name is bennett
Oct 22nd 2019
566
u.s. top envoy to ukraine: yeah its exactly what yall think it is
Oct 22nd 2019
567
READ: Taylor’s Damning Testimony On Ukraine Pressure Campaign
Oct 22nd 2019
568
      So basically they were trying to extort him across several vectors ...
Oct 22nd 2019
569
           even worse (and more explicitly politically motivated)
Oct 22nd 2019
570
                Yep. Way worse than innuendo - which was bad enough.
Oct 22nd 2019
571
                you're right, but justice died in the Republican party.
Oct 22nd 2019
572
Pence’s Big Bro Is Sitting In On Congress’s Impeachment Depositions
Oct 23rd 2019
573
Damn. That corruption runs hella deep.
Oct 23rd 2019
575
Poor Rudy
Oct 25th 2019
576
Ohhhhh shit. Mr Trump really might not survive this.
Oct 29th 2019
577
i swear they ask themselves what did nixon do
Oct 29th 2019
578
You know better, strav.
Oct 31st 2019
579
Fox and them already trying to paint this respected decorated vet
Oct 31st 2019
580
      Yea I loved this.
Oct 31st 2019
581
      Gee, that sounds an awful lot like something else.
Oct 31st 2019
582
           tears of a clown
Oct 31st 2019
583
           ha
Oct 31st 2019
584
these transcripts
Nov 05th 2019
585
We should probably call it what it is; Extortion
Nov 05th 2019
586

walihorse
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1. "LOL"
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I called Nancy's office voicing support for impeachment. I seriously doubt it will happen though.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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2. "Depends on exactly what's the in Whistleblower's report."
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I read something that said the whistleblower him/herself didn't actually hear Trump say xyz, and I haven't had to time to try to get to the bottom of that. If the WB heard Trump directly, he's going to get impeached. But if it turns out to be hearsay, this will be more egg on the D's faces, and impeachment will never happen.

  

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mista k5
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4. "yeah im not getting excited for this"
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Damali
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9. "trump already openly admitted to the Ukraine shit tho"
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whatever the WB heard/saw will be gravy

Trump and Guiliani's words are already enough to impeach

  

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Teknontheou
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11. "What he admitted to is probably not enough to get the "
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requisite number of R votes to remove in the senate. So the specifics of the report are more than just gravy, they're still vital to everything.

  

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21. "i agree, but first things first. Impeach."
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12. "You read it from Trump affiliated leaks in the media"
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That was the initial drop, which was followed by deep state conspiracy mongering, and attacks on the political affiliation of the whistleblower
Subsequent leaks have said, paraphrasing, “this is about more than one call”

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181. "S/he states directly s/he didn't see or hear any of this firsthand."
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But at this point, that probably won't make a difference. The whistle blower complaint is written in a way that seems to fall just short of naming names of sources, so that the House democratic prosecutors will have a very short list of people to subpoena and interview about very specific allegations. It was written as a sort of treasure map.

  

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3. "Do you see the perpetrator? Yeah I'm right here."
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Trump is probably the whistle blower

______________________________________

Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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6. "^ right."
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14. "Schiff is in contact with the WB and they will be talking tomorrow."
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So the Trump-plant angle seems to have no legs (I thought it was very possible, too, but apparently that's not what this is.)

  

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29. "IDK we'll see but this is looking too easy. Trump just turns over the ca..."
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But keeps an iron grip on his tax records? Fishy

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30. "resigns and immediately pardoned by pence?"
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ugh im getting into this lol

  

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48. "I can't see resignation. I lean towards this being a distraction"
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That will bolster his base and or weaken the dollar which is something he wants

It could also just be self destruction as a result of narcissitic personality disorder, but it's hard to imagine him unintentionally saying something incriminating in mixed company

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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50. "Maybe it wasn't mixed company at the time."
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And/or maybe he's so emboldened by the previous absence of any response from dems whatsoever that he got sloppy.

Less likely, but still possible, is that dems have been playing the long con all along and have been getting key information from this whistleblower for many months, only to leak bits and pieces to lure Individual 1 into their trap. Hence why at first we only knew of a phone call, followed by reports that the WB had given them a lot of information and that the phone call was only a small piece.

I have no faith that the latter is the case here. But it's possible.


>It could also just be self destruction as a result of
>narcissitic personality disorder, but it's hard to imagine him
>unintentionally saying something incriminating in mixed
>company
>

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59. "What exactly makes you think he's some cagey, strategic genius?"
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>It could also just be self destruction as a result of
>narcissitic personality disorder, but it's hard to imagine him
>unintentionally saying something incriminating in mixed
>company
>

He isn't some criminal Mastermind, Dude's been fucking up most of his life, he's just been shielded from the consequences by his (inherited) money and celebrity

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

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140. "He is definitely not playing 4D Chess while everyone else plays checkers"
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It's just that full blown narcissists have a predictable pattern of behavior oriented around distraction and confusion.

It's something they are very very good at because it's been how they've lived their entire lives more or less.

He knows what he's doing but not if or when it's too far

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449. "*eats knishes in this poast* . perfect reply. nm"
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peace & blessings,

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5. "Trump is wild."
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.
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“It was the evidence from science and history that prompted me to abandon my atheism and become a Christian.” — Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ

The Case for Christ Lecture: https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k

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7. "Bruh...this is the 2nd week of 24/7 coverage of this story"
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How don't you see the distraction/deflection?

Do we really need more evidence of impeachable offenses?

Ds aren't going to impeach

They kicked that can down the road for 3 years

Ds looking real bitchmade these days.

Ya'll fall for the same bullshit every single time

...and do Ds really want to go down this rabbit hole...

If Ivanka was given a seat on the board of one of Russia's biggest energy firms...MFers would be crying foul

That's the string ya'll want to pull on?

What happened to staying on message about issues that voters really care about...

healthcare
climate change
gun control
etc...

every minute spent on Trumpster's bullshit is an L for Ds.

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8. "huh? did you read what he posted or nah?"
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It was a very, very short post- so you should have been able to read it.

You seem to be having conversations with imaginary people lately.


We can't talk about Trump's shit on here anymore? Word?


Like he said, maybe it takes down Trump and Biden. Wins all around.

*Probably not of course, but its a fucking message board*

  

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10. "RE: We can't talk about Trump's shit on here anymore?"
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What has that produced?

It's week 2 of a worldwide focus on climate change

We're watching outlets focus on anything but.

This is not news IRT Biden

In fact, it was brought up in one of these 20' campaign posts

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13328433&mesg_id=13328433&listing_type=search#13332589

You think framing Biden as corrupt is a W for Ds?

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15. "Shouldn't ignore the whistle blower story"
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Thunberg got coverage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43q15ncwzWo

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19. "Half that clip was about Trumpster = deflection/distraction"
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https://www.mediamatters.org/broadcast-networks/how-broadcast-news-failed-climate-change-and-hurricane-dorian

"ABC and NBC did not air a single segment that linked Dorian to climate change."

You don't see a disparity in coverage?

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23. "Yeah it's a disparity in coverage but "
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can't ignore the whistle blower story, even if it goes nowhere.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90403895/al-roker-just-got-back-from-greenland-and-hes-horrified-by-what-he-saw-there


https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/23/media/climate-change-newsrooms/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/media/kyle-pope-climate-change-reliable-sources-podcast/index.html

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24. "CNN runs a story about Climate Change Now..."
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...but haven't joined the project

https://www.cjr.org/covering_climate_now/covering-climate-now-170-outlets.php

Television & Multimedia:
CBS News
Democracy Now
KPBS TV & FM (San Diego, Calif.)
PBS NewsHour
The Years Project & Years Of Living Dangerously
WFAA (Dallas-Forth Worth, Texas)
WJCT (Jacksonville, Fla.)
WNET’s Peril and Promise (New York, N.Y.)
News18 (India)
RTÉ’s Brainstorm Project (Ireland)
TG1/RAI (Italy)
TVNZ’s 1 News (New Zealand)
Politically Aweh, TV news show (South Africa)
TV3 & Catalunya Ràdio (Spain)
Swedish Television / SVT (Sweden)

?

I didn't say ignore it...I'm saying this is the 2nd week of almost 24/7 coverage...of a story that we still don't have the facts on.

It's very reminiscent of the Mueller probe...collusion, corruption, etc...for 2 years...report comes out finding 11 counts of obstruction of justice = nothing.

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25. "It's on the CNN World site"
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https://www.cnn.com/specials/world/cnn-climate

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26. "Right, now compare that to CNN.com"
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https://www.cnn.com/

every story is about Ukraine

...except for the one about Trumpster being a dick to Greta...

that doesn't raise an antenna?

They put climate change news on their world site...but omit it from the domestic site

even on the world site...it's buried at the bottom

https://www.cnn.com/world

That looks right to you?

IDK fam, if ya'll don't see it...

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28. "No it doesn't look right. I see it but"
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It is a link on Thunberg under that Trump mocks Thunberg headline.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/23/weather/greta-thunberg-unga-climate-speech-intl/index.html


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22. "LoL"
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32. "lol"
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31. "please, go on"
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35. "‘This is formal impeachment proceedings’ - Nadler 8.8.19"
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We've heard this before.

My disdain for the party is a little less...today...but I have absolutely no confidence this goes anywhere

Let's get our popcorn ready for the next few months of non-stop coverage

I hope ya'll are entertained...while the world burns.

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65. "no, really don't stop"
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69. "They’re “impeaching” based on a report "
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They haven’t seen yet

...what could go wrong...

Do you want more (c)

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81. "yup, keep doing what you're doing"
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87. "Trumpster meets with Ukraine President "
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The day after “impeachment”

Berry berry interesting

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178. "Ds are “impeaching” based on an anonymous whistleblower "
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Who wasn’t present for the call
and subsequent testimony would literally be hearsay
and before they saw the report

But

Didn’t “impeach” based on a special counsel investigation
Led by a former FBI director
That laid out 11 impeachable offenses

WTF

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180. "holy shit dude."
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202. "R U NOT ENTERTAINED!?!"
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274. "I’m hearing a lot of people say"
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Many people have come to me

...tell me you didn’t read the whistle blower report in a Trumpster voice...

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70. "That's why I think it's a con game. "
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Cuz politically, it's fucking dumb as hell for the modern dems to persue impeachment for *this*.

What biden's son was doing is corrupt as fuck...and the standard for the dems since the clinton admin.

Trump will flip this to "they're persecuting me for exposing their corruption" fast AF.

And he won't be wrong.

And yeah, that's to say nothing of the shit in Saudi Arabia/Yemen, climate catastrophes and the American economy collapsing.



  

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218. "Then you haven't been paying attention"
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Biden isn't the President. Trump is.

Whether or not Biden or his son is corrupt is irrelevant in the face of the face that

PRESIDENTS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK OTHER COUNTRIES FOR HELP WITH OUR ELECTIONS.

period.

Trump & Giuliani flat out admitted to that multiple times.

Trump intervened to withhold payments to Ukraine that were already authorized by Congress to help them beat back Russia

then he's asking them for help with the election while not giving them the money we promised

that's some extortion/blackmail shit.

Fuck Biden..this is bigger than him

and oh wait, the White House is covering up the real "transcript" cuz what we have been shown is some bullshit

  

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222. "the aid was released earlier in the month "
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before this shitstorm

There’s a lot of people filling in the blanks according to their bias

The backdrop is Ukraine corruption

Specifically the previous 5 years

Hunter Biden was discharged from the Navy reserves for cocaine use

Months later...he ends up on Burisma’s board on a $600K salary

Why are people so quick to dismiss the idea that their was corruption involved?

Ukraine’s current prez ran on an anti-corruption platform and has stated he plans on reopening the investigation into Burisma

You really think Hunter Biden got that position based on merit?

Like I said, if Trumpsters pulled this bullshit, MFers would be crying foul

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265. "Biden withheld payments of a billion dollars when he was VP"
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unless the ukraine ag investigating his son's employer was fired.
THAT'S blackmail too.
When Biden was in office as VP.
And incredibly corrupt.
I ain't a trump supporter, but unless the dems got some very strong answers for the inevitable questions re: that, this could go wobbly, real fast.

  

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278. "both of y'all are seemingly purposefully missing the point"
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Biden and his son should be investigated, yes.

but that is separate from the fact that Trump is blatantly breaking the law. period

Again, RIGHT NOW he is in the Presidency. period.

nothing that Biden or his son has done justifies Trumps crimes, treasons and cover ups.

that's all i'm saying.

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280. "What law did he break?"
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You do realize as the chief executive he can have people investigated?

So your 1st statement

“Biden and his son should be investigated”

makes it legit.

Anybody consider precedent?

You believe the Bidens should be investigated

Nobody is claiming there wasn’t corruption

...for the 3rd time, if the Trumpsters did what the Bidens did MFers would be chanting...lock him up.

So if a D wins the election...you want to set the precedent that Trumpsters international corruption can’t be investigated?

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281. "Can you fucking read ? Good god man."
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290. "Too early to talk about Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden?"
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https://youtu.be/CBJtzEKetBM

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553. "THIS PART IS ALREADY THE UNSPOKEN RULE"
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"So if a D wins the election...you want to set the precedent that Trumpsters international corruption can’t be investigated?"

Which is a problem...and what trump is trampling on here.

Remember how people were hoping for an investigation of the insane corruption under dubya, and Obama got in office and deaded that shit IMMEDIATELY, lol?

Trump is just violating government elite norms..and not even intentionally, on some populist shit. He's just a different kind of corrupt than they are

  

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16. "Pelosi seems to be on board now, which means it will probably "
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happen.

I wonder how fast they'll do it? And if McConnell will even let a trial happen.

  

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17. "McConnell won't let a trial happen."
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>happen.
>
>I wonder how fast they'll do it? And if McConnell will even
>let a trial happen.

But that's fine.

If we're gonna go down anyway I'm glad we'll at least go down swinging a little bit.

Better exceptionally, insanely, embarrassingly, hopelessly, pathetically late than never.

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18. "If he doesn't let a trial happen now and then Trump wins in 2020,"
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but the Ds get control of both houses later, can they proceed with the trial then (years later, presumably)? Question for the room.

  

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20. "Good question. I'm not sure."
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>but the Ds get control of both houses later, can they proceed
>with the trial then (years later, presumably)? Question for
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27. "based on how odd the world has been i can see this helping biden"
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i guess if it takes down either trump or biden it would be good.

i just hope they dont give any coverage to the white house transcript and turn it into the barr summary again.

  

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33. "trump is shook."
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https://twitter.com/JamieOGrady/status/1176619784965935106

imagine committing an impeachable offense tryna take down someone who might not even be the dem nominee.

  

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34. "Senate doing.... say what now? "
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https://www.newsandguts.com/senate-surprise-mcconnell-entire-senate-back-call-for-whistleblower-complaint-to-be-turned-over/?fbclid=IwAR3rLBKyL5kaIaZQpl9bKwi7BDM6maaITLGQcPurxPZCBfgBqiUnQfSic7s

  

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36. "this actually got me kinda nervous lol."
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mitch mcconnell doing the right thing? something gotta be up.

  

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37. "He may have made up his mind that he wants Pence to run in 2020"
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We’ll see, this was definitely surprising.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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39. "a few folks notice karen pence has started rebranding herself."
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https://twitter.com/KarenPence/status/1175457524855836672

apparently some repub senators (and john bolton) also warned trump that withholding aid to ukraine in exchange for the biden probe was illegal.

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1176316654147506177

if dems can get bolton on tv shitting on trump then that would be big.

  

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43. "Pretty sure it's a setup for a bait & switch."
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They'll release something not at all sufficient, then claim WE'RE the unreasonable ones when we point that out. And the media, looking for the next turn in the narrative, will eat it up.

He's honed that skill a lot in the last few years.

  

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45. "its suspicious that they keep saying the wh will release the complaint"
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when its supposed to go directly from the odni.

i think (hope) that the media will report on it with a lot more scrutiny than the barr report. i see a lot of journalists mentioning this so it looks like theyve learned a bit. its hard to pull off the same trick twice imo.

  

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51. "Yea I don't trust any of this for a second haha."
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The full on repug backpedaling today was both totally predictable and ... a little too clean.

I'm suspicious.

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38. "Trump wants to work it out with Pelosi lol"
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https://twitter.com/jamieogrady/status/1176619784965935106?s=21

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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40. "you can tell your people to obey the law"
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Fire response.

https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/1176631193279913985?s=21

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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41. "Senate voted UNANIMOUSLY to send the WB complaint to Congress"
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Chuck Schumer, the Minority leader, introduced a non-binding resolution on the Senate floor today and every Senate member voted yes

that's a HUGE blow to Trump

we might all be wrong..Senate might actually vote to remove him if he's impeached

it would be the only way they'd have any chance to hold onto their seats in the 2020 election.

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52. "But why now ?"
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>Chuck Schumer, the Minority leader, introduced a non-binding
>resolution on the Senate floor today and every Senate member
>voted yes
>
>that's a HUGE blow to Trump
>
>we might all be wrong..Senate might actually vote to remove
>him if he's impeached
>
>it would be the only way they'd have any chance to hold onto
>their seats in the 2020 election.
>
>d

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55. "I think they try to fake the transcript"
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So hopefully the Dems control the story that they
need the actual complaint, the inquiry isn’t just
about this one instance of bafoonery, etc.

Also, they need to remind people this is the
same guy who tried to alter a weather map
with a fucking marker. Wrong color at that.

That said..

I think we’ll know it’s fake when the Ukrainian
pres starts complimenting Trump on the economy,
his electoral college win, and being so much
better than Obama.

  

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62. "This story is so much worst, and easier to prove then the Russian Scanda..."
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There is enough on record, in the public, to sustain evidence of a crime. And it's not just the phone call, it's really the actual withholding of aid for a political purpose.

And most importantly all of this happened while he was the president.

The russia stuff is way less clear because there isn't clear quid pro quo (what exactly did Trump do in exchange for Russia's help? And who did he make a deal with?).

Add that to Trump outliving his usefulness to Republicans.

I can really see a scenario where Rupert Murdoch picks up the phone and calls head of fox news and says, ok we are done with him, release the hounds.


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63. "Yea but his blatant crimes as president are beyond the Russia scandal."
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But I guess this particular instance may be the most neat and tidy. So I kind of get what you're saying.

Yet today repug senators are claiming they'll quash impeachment if it ever makes it that far.

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221. "everything w/Ukraine is a part of the Russia scandal"
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Trump knows Vlad wants Ukraine

he can't help w/that directly but what he can do is delay monies to Ukraine for as long as possible cuz those monies help them stave off Russian invasion...in the meantime, Vlad keeps pushing to weaken Ukraine's gov't

since Trump knows he had to release the funds eventually, he figured he should use it as leverage to get something out of it for himself: help w/the election

  

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225. "Yep exactly - that too."
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42. "you know whats next.."
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just like i told yall in them other posts.. trump is going to prison and he knows it..aside from this treasonous act (which should warrant the death penalty) plenty of state charges waiting and Tish James waiting to handle that business.. wont be nobody to cover for him once hes not president.. nobody will care..

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44. "my boy is back!"
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47. "https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9Igtjxw42qVPziy4/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9Igtjxw42qVPziy4/giphy.gif

Welcome back

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53. "OH SHIT ! "
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Was worried about you my man.

Anyway - just so there's no rewriting history upon your return, you said (multiple times) that they were ALL going to jail. Not just 45.

Just, you know, so everyone's on the same page. Haha.

Welcome back !

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54. "LOL nah....you have too many Ls"
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To just pop back in and say “see!” as if this is
what you predicted.

As if you weren’t painfully wrong on so many
things.

I mean, at least cop to being wrong.

And your track record is so awful I don’t want you
jinxing anything lol

  

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174. "i said he was goin to prison...nothings changed"
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i just thought i'd check in with yall right quick...

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175. "Homie you're being VERY disingenuous."
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You said they were ALL GOING TO JAIL.

People don't forget ! ©

And frankly, you're ultimately probably going to be more correct about "all of them" than you will be about "he."

Don't forget that Nixon skated on every crime, while a bunch of his cronies got locked up.

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58. "https://youtu.be/IUWBcZ4XEZ4"
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https://youtu.be/IUWBcZ4XEZ4

  

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60. "you should start upping old posts.. ... like a sports agenda "
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46. "https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac/giphy.gif

McConnell on board. Trump on board with releasing the transcript. The Trump media apparatus already locked and loaded.

Nah... something don't feel right

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49. "somebody has started throwing giuliani under the bus."
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1176663883068690432

this after rudy was on hannity saying that the state department sent *him* on this mission.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1176328193436979201

state department reply:
https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1176560357965533185

looks like folks are in cya mode.

  

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56. "rudy saying he got receipts on the state department in his phone lol."
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https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1176684970536050689

basically throwing pompeo under the bus.

fam this shit is bout to be wild.

  

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61. "This reads..."
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"Protect Trump, at all costs."

Disgusting!

  

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57. "just to let you know how far corruption is normalized in our country"
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in austria...a group of people ran a *hoax* with one of them acting like the niece of a russian oligarch. using hidden video...they caught the vice chancellor *offering* govt contracts to the niece in exchange for her buying a stake in a media company and pushing them to support the vice chancellors party.

when the video was released to the public...the vice chancellor resigned the *next day*. and *every*single*minister* from his party resigned in disgrace shortly thereafter.

nothing concrete was exchanged. she didnt even have any real connections to russia.

but just the *intent* to do something improper was enough to force resignations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48335316

there was a point in time where we used to at least pretend to be that kind of country.

  

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67. "You can’t shame rich and powerful white people in America. "
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Bill Gates gets credit for being one of the nicer ones, meanwhile his company just signed massive contracts with oil giants while his employees are protesting climate change, all the while he and Melinda are essentially running experiments on poor populations via strings attached computer grants and data harvesting ... all the while they sit on stores of cash that they couldn’t come close to spending in their life time; that they’ll give away when they’re dead (they say) while people die from lack of money in real time.

And he’s considered a good one.

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64. "i'm wondering if its going to be about more than just this?"
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i didn't listen to pelosi's speech (i cant stand her, tbh.)

i would like to see this be about all the impeachable offenses that have been accumulating.

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66. "I didn't hear the whole thing either but she said she wants ..."
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... all the House committees to submit their best cases for impeachment then they'll determine whether to put it to a vote. (IMO it's a mistake not to have public hearings before a vote but that's another convo).

I interpreted that to mean that she's having the committees submits cases for impeachment for all the reasons they've been investigating, not just the Ukraine/whistleblower situation. But I may be wrong. I hope I'm right.

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68. "yea.. this is a mistake.."
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>... all the House committees to submit their best cases for
>impeachment then they'll determine whether to put it to a
>vote. (IMO it's a mistake not to have public hearings before a
>vote but that's another convo).

i want public hearings. there's been too many committee hearings- havent kept track.

i mosdef want to see hearings of these best cases for impeachment

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71. "wait... the transcript shows exactly what is being claimed? lol"
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72. "If they released this imagine how bad the stuff we don’t know is"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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74. "someone said, 'they did a poor job removing crimes from the memo'"
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and im just LOL

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76. "what's hilarious is that, in typical Trump fashion..."
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he denied all this then later basically admitted it all when being questioned by the press.

LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgG8StjJQcQ

this was obviously BEFORE the transcript came out today.

  

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73. "RE: wait... the transcript shows exactly what is being claimed? lol"
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no one tried to at least edit out e.g biden's name?

LOL

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88. "im honestly surprised the transcript was this similar to the acccusation..."
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i thought it was gonna be a bunch of innuendo, winks, and nudges but nope. its all laid out pretty bare.

like others are saying...if this is the best version of events they got...

  

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75. "Does anyone know if there's a more reliable transcript or a recording?"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/official-readout-president-trump-s-july-25-phone-call-with-ukraine-s-volodymyr-zelensky/4b228f51-17e7-45bc-b16c-3b2643f3fbe0/

There's a disclaimer right at the bottom of the transcript that states the following:

"CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation"

Might there be an official recording of this conversation that could be compared to this transcript?

  

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79. "Apparently standard practice is just to have a few people listen in,"
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and type as much as they can while the conversation goes along. The goal is usually to have an accurate word-for-word transcript, and that's why there are multiple people listening in and typing as they go. But they don't actually record the audio. Probably because Nixon.

Kinda funny that they're paying three people to approximate a job that would be done much better by a tape recorder. But that's the military-industrial complex, I guess.

Anyway, this is just standard practice for us. The state on the other side of the call might actually record these things, though apparently that's uncommon, and from what I understand Ukraine hasn't given any indication one way or the other. They don't want to touch this argument with a ten-foot pole, of course.

  

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80. "Got it. Thanks for the explanation"
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My concern was that 45 might try to have these transcript altered or have certain parts omitted. I really don't know if he would have the ability to do it but I'd bet the farm that it crossed his mind.

  

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82. "Also, it sounds like EVENTUALLY..."
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the whistleblower's report will come out, and that will have the details THEY reported.

  

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83. "Yeah, that might be the road map to where the bodies are buried"
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>the whistleblower's report will come out, and that will have
>the details THEY reported.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the whistleblower's report included instances of shady conduct other than just the Ukrainian phone call.

  

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84. "i don't know about that..."
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but if you're snitchin you might as well go all the way (shoutout to Tekashi 69!!!)

  

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85. "lol!"
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>but if you're snitchin you might as well go all the way
>(shoutout to Tekashi 69!!!)

for real.


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90. "LMAO @ Tekashi"
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>but if you're snitchin you might as well go all the way
>(shoutout to Tekashi 69!!!)

On the real though, I just read the link below over at WaPo and they mention that the whistleblower has mentioned more than one event AND the whistleblower didn't even have 1st hand knowledge of the call with the Ukrainian president. So there might be some other dirt out there that will provide a clearer picture when combined with what we know now.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/25/takeaways-transcript-trumps-call-with-ukraines-president/

The first reason is that the whistleblower complaint involves multiple events and no single communication, as the intelligence community’s inspector general, Michael Atkinson, testified last week. This is the highest-profile known event involving Trump and Ukraine, but there are many unknowns. We don’t even know what other events might be involved, much less what transpired in them.

Indeed, the fact that Trump released the call and not the whistleblower complaint (at least yet, though that could be coming) suggests this piece of evidence is perceived as being better for him than the rest. It could also be a trial balloon to see how the call is received before making a decision on the full complaint.

The second is that, as Philip Bump wrote Tuesday, the whistleblower reportedly wasn’t even privy to the call; they heard about it secondhand. And Atkinson reviewed their complaint and determined it to be both credible — suggesting there was some corroboration — and of “urgent concern.” So both of them seemed to be relying upon plenty besides this call.

Also to keep in mind, the rough transcript is not a verbatim account of the conversation. It is a White House memorandum that is based on the notes and memories of officials in the room. A disclaimer in the rough transcript warns that a number of factors “can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent.”

  

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92. "It is a little weird we have this transcript but NOT the WB complaint."
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I mean I understand there could be clearance issues for a public release, but the fact that they haven't turned over the whistleblower report to the Congress yet (which, if I understand correctly, is what the law says should immediately be done with these complaints), in and of itself that implies that there must be stuff in the whistleblower complaint that goes beyond this specific phone call.

  

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77. "So Giuliani committed treason or espionage too"
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And then he goes on national tv and admits to it. He gotta be disbarred if anything.

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78. "that's kinda the other piece i took from all this."
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86. "both the dni and the ig referred this to the doj"
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*separately* for possible criminal prosecution.

the ig also referred it to the fbi (smart move).

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1176891028953059331

barr of course quickly killed it at doj.

but this shit is worse than we even imagine right now.

not just the whistleblower...but 2 independent officials thought it was worthy of a *criminal* complaint. the ig obviously knew barr would kill it so he submitted it directly under chris wrays purview too.

  

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97. "I saw that...its hard to imagine"
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this just goes away for Trump, Barr, and the animated corpse of Rudy G.

Granted, I'm getting my info from the echo chamber, but god damn. A lot has happened in just 24 hours or whatever.


The admin's lawlessness, arrogance, and stupidity finally all intersected on one event it seems.


I'm trying not to get too hyped, but....jesus.

  

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113. "i honestly love the way this played out and hope dems learn from it."
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the shit was so sudden and peaked so acutely that repubs were caught off guard. i think part of the reason that repub senators *had* to unanimously vote to release the wb complaint is because they didnt have enough time to devise a strategy/messaging.

dems needs to stop talking about shit like mueller, green new deal, etc for months to years at a time and just spring that shit up when its time to take action (repubs do shit like this and sneak bills across the goal line at like 1 am in the morning).

sometimes the best course of action is to not broadcast that its coming.

dems at the state level are quietly passing voting reforms, green new deal type initiatives and emissions goals, and an electoral college nullification pact with little controversy/resistance and zero fanfare.

repubs are like batman with no prep time. when they cant get their entire media apparatus fully in sync in advance then they struggle to come up with a cohesive gameplan and make a dent in the conversation.

  

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89. "It's like a spy novel written by Elmore Leonard "
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https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1176891057604374528?s=20

These motherfuckers sent out talking points and then asked for them back

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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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91. "this shit is hilarious. wtf thinks recall email works?"
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94. "thank jah these people are idiots."
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lord knows what they would get away with if they were buttoned up.

  

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99. "I'm crying...I'd love to know who sent it"
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the critics would say VEEP went too far this season, its just not believable.

  

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115. "WH Staff Intern Dewey Crowe"
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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109. "Stupid Fucking Watergate"
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143. "Reality is truly stranger than fiction these days."
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Over two years now and it's still surreal to me that Trump is president. Like it still takes me a second when I see his fat bloated face near the Presidential Seal when news report crop on TV to believe this is reality.

This must have been what it was like for those Tea Party folks when Obama was in office for those eight years.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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93. "btw its not being included in the reporting on this"
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and the dots arent being connected but...

trump fired the ambassador to ukraine, the director of national intelligence, and his national security advisor all within a short timespan. all of these people are key figures in this whole afffair.

also this is the *2nd* time trump pressured ukraine to help with his domestic problems. he also got them to end their cooperation with mueller.
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/2/17311190/ukraine-mueller-trump-manafort-javelin

thats the exact type of thing they are accusing biden of and more people need to be talking about it.

  

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95. "also this is so much easier for dems to sell than mueller was."
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not a bunch of loose ends to weave together into some complex conspiracy narrative.

the president is directly involved and the primary perpetrator here.

  

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100. "MUCH easier. Even I think this could amount to something."
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The fact that about half of the House Democratic Caucus didn't dare to take a public position on impeachment over the Mueller report, but now they've nearly all called for at least an "inquiry" (whatever that means) speaks for itself.

And then there's Mitt Romney. Just a few days ago he said "if the President said what was alleged here, it would be very serious indeed" (or something like that). He was probably trying to play the centrist, of course, and hoping a transcript would never come out to force him to take sides. But now that it has and it shows Trump saying precisely what was alleged, does Mitt at least admit that there might be grounds for considering impeachment? Now that the stock market is looking so much less hot than a few months ago, do other Senators take the opportunity to follow Mitt and jump ship?

It's all still VERY unlikely that it leads to Trump's removal, or even that it hurts Trump at all in the long run. But something could be brewing.

  

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103. "if *this* doesnt move the needle at all"
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then we no longer live in a nation of laws.

republicans are clearly on their heels with this. they have no solid talking points clearing the president. no 'no collusion. no obstruction'. just throwing a bunch of easily disprovable darts at hunter biden that arent really breaking through the noise.

i love the fact that dems have put repubs on the defensive for once and vulnerable repub senators (along with the prez himself) are gonna have to answer for this in an election year.

  

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112. "Well, but how many times have we said that?"
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>RE: if *this* doesnt move the needle at all
>then we no longer live in a nation of laws.

I think the last three years have demonstrated that it isn't fundamentally a nation of laws. The laws can be overruled by the norms and the norms can change.

And then there's the question of whether the norms even have changed. Nixon would have easily skated past Watergate if there hadn't been masses of incriminating audio and a close insider saying loud and clear that he broke the law.

But then Nixon didn't go to jail and John Dean did. And then there's Fox News. WH staffers know very well by now what the path of least resistance is.


>republicans are clearly on their heels with this. they have
>no solid talking points clearing the president. no 'no
>collusion. no obstruction'. just throwing a bunch of easily
>disprovable darts at hunter biden that arent really breaking
>through the noise.
>
>i love the fact that dems have put repubs on the defensive for
>once and vulnerable repub senators (along with the prez
>himself) are gonna have to answer for this in an election
>year.

I'm HOPING this can hurt some vulnerable Republican senators. Susan Collins and Cory Gardner are the obvious test cases. But all that is dependent on whether this ACTUALLY becomes a political liability for Republicans. Before all this came out it seemed like the polls consistently showed significant unpopularity for impeachment, which means more trouble for Democrats than for Republicans. I hope this changes that, but it's also very possible this just becomes another swing in the news cycle.

The fact that we've been claiming (accurately) since day 1 that Trump's presidency was illegitimate has really hurt our rhetorical case. A lot of the public doesn't even need talking points. They just think the Democrats and the Deep State are out to get their outsider president.

  

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146. "fair points all around."
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it doesnt seem like anything substantively changes and there are no consequences but we kinda memory hole 2018.

that was referendum on trump...and not in a good way. 2020 is a true referendum with trump at the top of the ticket (affecting down ballot races).

he will most likely have an impeachment hanging over his head...a worse economy...a failed record to run against...and 3 primary opponents who have no chance to beat him but will fill up headlines/tv time with damaging attacks.

  

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166. "2018 was definitely a referendum on Trump,"
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but it wasn't a referendum on impeachment. As you've pointed out so many times around here, we won that blue wave by keeping a laser focus on health care.

If 2020 is a referendum on Trump, I think we win pretty easily.

If 2020 is a referendum on Obamacare, we win BIG.

If 2020 is a referendum on impeachment, I'm worried.

  

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96. "If this doesn't take Trump down, it strengthens him"
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I read the entire transcript and it's beyond clear that he's using the Oval Office to enrich himself and leverage foreign powers to assist his re-election campaign. "Looking into" Biden, asking for Ukraine to investigate into the Crowdstrike findings circa 2016; using his personal attorney and his office to conduct personal business. This is all beyond absurd, improper and illegal.

But the question is: will anything actually be done about it. Trump has littered the White House with crime after crime and nothing has brought him down thus far - so why would this?

The House and Senate need to all get on record and stop hiding from controversy. But if this doesn't cut Trump down it will only embolden his rabid base heading into the 2020 season when all the Q lunatics use this as fuel that the "deep state" is at it again.

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106. "his base is always gonna be fired up. fox news keeps them that way."
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they always find something. mueller, kavanaugh, obamacare, trans bathroom, etc.

they arent some unconquerable force tho. and news coverage rarely reflects how relatively small they are.

theyre a declining percentage of the voting population by race *and* age.

trump had them fired up in 2016 and still walked away with less of the vote share than mitt romney and a historically slim electoral college margin.

when dem voters show up and show out...its an easy win.

  

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114. "Yes - but if they launch impeachment, they need to win"
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The impeachment proceedings of Bill Clinton were devastating to Democrats in subsequent elections, and led to essentially a decade strong-hold for Republican majorities in govt. These are different times, but impeachment is risky if you don't have bi-partisan consensus.

This is also a symptom of Congress continually shirking its duty. This non-sense about "secret votes" should not be tolerated - they need to get on record and stop hiding from difficult votes/stances.

>trump had them fired up in 2016 and still walked away with
>less of the vote share than mitt romney and a historically
>slim electoral college margin.
>
>when dem voters show up and show out...its an easy win.

Dem voters show up when it's a big-tent, aspirational candidate at the helm. Bill Clinton & Obama were unorthodox candidates who inspired multiple segments of the electorate - Al Gore, John Kerry, & Hillary Clinton were centrist holders of the status-quo who failed to inspire and move voters to turn out. It's pretty clear which candidates fall into the former category, and which candidates fall into the latter.


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138. "^correction: Clinton impeachment was devastating to Republicans"
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141. "clinton impeachment was not devastating to repubs. thats a myth."
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and people who know better (in the political press) need to stop regurgitating it.

in the midterms immediately following clintons impeachment...repubs held the senate with 0 net seat changes. repubs lost a measly 5 seats in the house but still retained control of it.

then they won the white house in 2000 (while using clinton as a weapon against gore. gained the senate in 2002. and kept control of the presidency and both chambers until 2006. they held the house for *12 years* during this time.

if anything...repubs showed impeachment (with even a failed conviction) can be a potent political weapon to strengthen your hand electorally.

  

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144. "^"
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149. "But honestly I see a lot of wishful thinking in this revisionist history..."
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Not to say that revisionism is always wrong, but I'm seeing this argument being made more and more these days, and I just don't see it.

I've tried to argue with a few people that we need to understand that there were TWO issues surrounding Clinton. There was the scandal itself (or scandals, depending on how we count), but then there was the impeachment that followed from those scandals.

The polls at the time consistently showed that majorities of the public disapproved of Clinton's actions, but they did NOT think they warranted impeachment.

If we take that at face value, it makes sense that Republicans would have had a rough midterm in 2008 when they were literally running on impeachment, but that they would have benefited in the long run as the impeachment wore off and people just remembered their distaste for the scandals. And they DID have a rough midterm in 2008. You're right that they didn't lose any major number of seats, but normally the party out of power gains seats in that scenario. Moreover, Newt Gingrich was told by hardline right-wing strategists that if they ran on impeachment they would gain over 30 seats in the house. The fact that they basically broke even is pretty clear evidence that impeachment can have more down-side than the impeaching party might want to admit.

And it makes sense that people could oppose impeachment even if they also oppose the president. Removal by impeachment is a fundamentally anti-democratic act. It's literally an attempt by the most reviled branch of the government to overturn an election. People want to think that their votes matter.

We're seeing the same thing with Brexit. At this point, large majorities of UK voters think Brexit was a mistake. But at the same time, they oppose a new referendum.

  

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173. "2008 ?"
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176. "Sorry. I meant 1998."
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Fuck I'm getting old.

  

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152. "Thank you...by the way"
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hasn't Vex been for impeachment? I could be wrong, but seems odd that he is suddenly against it now that it is happening...and that Tulsi came out against it (lol lol)

>and people who know better (in the political press) need to
>stop regurgitating it.
>
>in the midterms immediately following clintons
>impeachment...repubs held the senate with 0 net seat changes.
>repubs lost a measly 5 seats in the house but still retained
>control of it.

Right. No one has been able to explain to me how the GOP "paid the price" for impeaching, beyond lost seats. Which didn't amount to much.

>
>then they won the white house in 2000 (while using clinton as
>a weapon against gore. gained the senate in 2002. and kept
>control of the presidency and both chambers until 2006. they
>held the house for *12 years* during this time.

A lot of people gloss over this. If the GOP has "lost" since 98, please sign me up for losing.

>
>if anything...repubs showed impeachment (with even a failed
>conviction) can be a potent political weapon to strengthen
>your hand electorally.

The Dems just need to play it right.


I get that some are cautious, but some are just unwilling to think critically about this.

  

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154. "Trump should've been impeached 2 years ago."
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If we're going by what should have happened in a functioning, morally upright government - then yes - Trump should've been impeached already and I'm in full support of that. But given this reality we live in (where institutional failure is a norm) - I find it suspect to think that launching impeachment proceedings right before a major 2020 election is a politically savvy thing to do - *especially* when you consider the extraordinarily high bar set to actually impeach *and* remove a sitting President.

Dems should focus on annihilating Trump and Republicans and prosecute him for the clear degradation of our standing in the world that has materialized since he took office - by appealing to voters with superior messaging and aspirational rallying of the majority of Americans (who are with Democrats on virtually every issue).

To me impeachment will play out as if Dems want to remove Trump the easy way, without taking the fight to him in 2020. And if impeachment fails (which it will) - it will just further Trump's legend that he's battling the entire "deep state" again. It's not a winner for Dems in 2020. I think it also speaks to the Dem Establishment lack of confidence in Biden to carry the torch, and their apprehension to pass the baton to Progressive champions like Bernie or Warren.


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164. "true. And he should be today"
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>If we're going by what should have happened in a functioning,
>morally upright government - then yes - Trump should've been
>impeached already and I'm in full support of that. But given
>this reality we live in (where institutional failure is a
>norm) - I find it suspect to think that launching impeachment
>proceedings right before a major 2020 election is a
>politically savvy thing to do - *especially* when you consider
>the extraordinarily high bar set to actually impeach *and*
>remove a sitting President.

I don't think anyone expects him to be removed.

To be brief, do you not think this could help turnout on the left?

Do you not see the value in making senators pick a side?

Do you not see the value in controlling the news cycle (for a change) and shining more light on the corruption of the admin?

>
>Dems should focus on annihilating Trump and Republicans and
>prosecute him for the clear degradation of our standing in the
>world that has materialized since he took office - by
>appealing to voters with superior messaging and aspirational
>rallying of the majority of Americans (who are with Democrats
>on virtually every issue).

And why can't they do that still? Hell, Warren HAS ALREADY made her entire platform based on eliminating corruption. This rolls right into that.

And even if its a different candidate, how does *finally* holding this pres accountable (kind of) make it so they can't do that?



>
>To me impeachment will play out as if Dems want to remove
>Trump the easy way, without taking the fight to him in 2020.

Well, if you don't trust Dems will stick the messaging...I agree with your concern.

But they should be able to do both.

>And if impeachment fails (which it will) - it will just
>further Trump's legend that he's battling the entire "deep
>state" again.

It is odd, because this sounds like a very moderate Dem talking point.

Trump is going to claim victim either way- you know that.

If it isn't impeachment, it will be "harassment" or whatever. He will fire up his base no.matter.what.

So...at the very absolute least...why not fire up ours?

It's not a winner for Dems in 2020. I think it
>also speaks to the Dem Establishment lack of confidence in
>Biden to carry the torch, and their apprehension to pass the
>baton to Progressive champions like Bernie or Warren.
>
>
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**record scratch**

huh?

First, I disagree completely. This pressure came from Nancy's left. Warren has been calling for impeachment since what, April?

So...you think they are sabotaging the election so Warren can't win?

Or do you think they expect to *win* impeachment, so they don't want to risk 2020?


So you think they said "looks like Weekend at Bidens isn't going to work out, and we don't want a Progressive, so lets impeach so that...." what?

I really don't get your theory here man.




  

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153. "I think you're only looking at the numbers, sans context."
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Republicans were looking to take commanding majorities after two Clinton terms and a country ready for new leadership. It happens, predictably, like clockwork after a sitting President serves for 8 years. Happened in 2000, 2008 & 2016 where the opposing party was primed for momentum to take majorities.

After 8 years of Clinton *and* an impeachment proceeding where the perception was that Clinton was this slick, immoral politician to where the country needed to get back to convention and "tradition" (enter another Bush) - the Republicans *should've* gained considerable majorities (the demographics were also far more favorable to them in the late 90's). That they essentially broke even with Dems in Congress shows that their momentum was seriously thwarted - and I think many rightfully identify the Clinton impeachment circus to be a material reason why that momentum was thwarted.

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139. "honestly its not hard for dems to 'win' impeachment"
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if by 'win' you mean in terms of public opinion (which i assume you meant since repubs failed to remove clinton).

trump has historically low approval ratings.

the majority of americans have *never* supported him at any time during his presidency.

a record number of americans *personally* dislike him (over 20 pts higher than the previous record...g w bush during 2 unpopular wars and an economic downturn)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-record-share-voters-dislike-trump-personally-democrats-n1057036

and *60%* of people believe trump doesnt deserve re-election (during a 'strong' economy).
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/cnn-poll-trump-reelection-2020/index.html

this breathless coverage about how dems might be overplaying their hand on impeachment and it could help strengthen trump is unfounded. all of it is based on clinton being more popular after impeachment. but clinton was already popular...kept working to make great economic gains for the american people while under investigation (something trump has already given up on)...and (like you said) dems faced future election consequences.

  

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150. "by "win' I mean actually succeeding in impeachment proceedings."
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>if by 'win' you mean in terms of public opinion (which i
>assume you meant since repubs failed to remove clinton).

No president has ever been removed via 2/3rds Senate vote to impeach.

It's not wise to assume that this will play well w/ the public - when most of the public doesn't follow any of these technical facets of government, and only vote on poorly informed perceptions of what's actually happening.

I don't believe that this impeachment effort is going to be popular with swing voters. It will rally up the left - for sure - but Dems do not hold the moral authority like they think they have. Most of the electorate considers both parties to be crooks at this point.

>trump has historically low approval ratings.
>
>the majority of americans have *never* supported him at any
>time during his presidency.
>
>a record number of americans *personally* dislike him (over 20
>pts higher than the previous record...g w bush during 2
>unpopular wars and an economic downturn)
>https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-record-share-voters-dislike-trump-personally-democrats-n1057036
>
>and *60%* of people believe trump doesnt deserve re-election
>(during a 'strong' economy).
>https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/cnn-poll-trump-reelection-2020/index.html

Yes - all the conventional wisdom points towards Trump having no business even being President, let alone winning a second term. However, how many times has as sitting President failed to earn a second term in recent decades? Trump has defied all of these statistics and "expert" data crunching - and I don't think pushing for impeachment will change that. What will change that is getting behind a movement that takes the fight to him directly. Dems have to be ready for a street fight - not a faux civil impeachment proceeding.




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157. "so swing voters will go for taking their insurance"
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but not investigating a clearly corrupt president?

>>if by 'win' you mean in terms of public opinion (which i
>>assume you meant since repubs failed to remove clinton).
>
>No president has ever been removed via 2/3rds Senate vote to
>impeach.

Right. Very few people (if any) are predicting this or even hoping for it. And you know it.

So "winning" impeachment is about public opinion, and hopefully making Senators take a stance.

>
>It's not wise to assume that this will play well w/ the public
>- when most of the public doesn't follow any of these
>technical facets of government, and only vote on poorly
>informed perceptions of what's actually happening.

So your message now is that Dems shouldn't do anything because people aren't paying attention?

The Dems shouldn't fight, because people won't understand it?

A lot of people don't understand Medicare For All. Should dems not do anything with that?

>
>I don't believe that this impeachment effort is going to be
>popular with swing voters. It will rally up the left - for
>sure - but Dems do not hold the moral authority like they
>think they have. Most of the electorate considers both
>parties to be crooks at this point.

Do you think taking insurance away from Americans will be popular with "swing voters"?

>
>>trump has historically low approval ratings.
>>
>>the majority of americans have *never* supported him at any
>>time during his presidency.
>>
>>a record number of americans *personally* dislike him (over
>20
>>pts higher than the previous record...g w bush during 2
>>unpopular wars and an economic downturn)
>>https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-wsj-poll-record-share-voters-dislike-trump-personally-democrats-n1057036
>>
>>and *60%* of people believe trump doesnt deserve re-election
>>(during a 'strong' economy).
>>https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/10/politics/cnn-poll-trump-reelection-2020/index.html
>
>Yes - all the conventional wisdom points towards Trump having
>no business even being President, let alone winning a second
>term. However, how many times has as sitting President failed
>to earn a second term in recent decades? Trump has defied all
>of these statistics and "expert" data crunching - and I don't
>think pushing for impeachment will change that. What will
>change that is getting behind a movement that takes the fight
>to him directly. Dems have to be ready for a street fight -
>not a faux civil impeachment proceeding.
>
>
>
>
>-->

I think I pick up your hint. So you honestly think that swing voters and/or people who don't pay attention to stuff, are **more** likely to get behind a **movement** led by a self-described socialist?? When a big piece of that movement involves *Taking Away* insurance from Americans?

You really think that Bernie and Medicare for All, etc is an *easier* sell to non-political people than the idea that Trump is corrupt?


This isn't to say that both shouldn't be done, because that isn't my point.


My point is that your tone on impeachment seems to have changed, and it seems largely based on the idea that "only Bernie can save us".

Or maybe your tone hasn't changed, and I haven't noticed your take before. Either way, "only Bernie" or "only a movement" is an odd thing to say.


The argument that non-political swing voters won't get behind impeaching a lying ass president, but they'll get behind a socialist who has been in Washington for 30+ years without getting any of his ideas through is...troubling to say the least.


Not to mention, I could have sworn you have talked about the importance of turnout on the left. If this helps that, how on earth does it hurt our chances in 2020?



  

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168. "slow down - you're projecting an awful lot. "
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You keep putting 'only bernie' in quotations as I've ever said that lol. Who are you quoting? Yourself?

Sanders isn't even my top choice - and I've repeatedly said (even here) that Warren would be a fine selection (though not the best IMO) as far as presidential nominations go. Sanders would as well.

>The argument that non-political swing voters won't get behind
>impeaching a lying ass president, but they'll get behind a
>socialist who has been in Washington for 30+ years without
>getting any of his ideas through is...troubling to say the
>least.

Well - you're horribly wrong w/ your assessment of Sanders getting none of his ideas through. Ideas that he's been championing for decades are taking resonant hold in the electorate now - and his ideas are very popular. He's also as accomplished as virtually all of his peers in Congress when it comes to passing legislation and impacting policy. There's a reason why Sanders has the highest approval rating of *any* sitting Senator. You don't have to like him, but stop lying on his record.

>Not to mention, I could have sworn you have talked about the
>importance of turnout on the left. If this helps that, how on
>earth does it hurt our chances in 2020?

Because I don't think the Left is a monolith. We need a *big-tent* turnout on the Left - and that means harnessing the emergent, new generational progressive energy of AOC, Omar *and* Sanders supporters. Dems already have the conventional loyalists - so why not expand the party?

So yes - I agree with needing huge turnout - but disagree with how to achieve that.

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185. "Pelosi in charge is a major difference."
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I learned to stop underestimating her.

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259. "Based on what exactly?"
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I'm not really confident in her ability to do anything other than maintaining the status quo and keeping donor money coming in

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269. "me too. i'd prefer to see Schiff in charge, tbh"
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i have more confident in him, than her

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319. "RE: Pelosi in charge is a major difference."
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The shutdown smackdown.
Sonning Trump in every televised meeting.
Winning the speakership.
Reining in the progressives.

At each point folks thought she wouldn't get through and she seems to be doing so EASILY.

If she's ready to put her full weight behind impeachment, I think there's a good chance the political outcome is overall good for DEMs. Pelosi has teeth, knows Washington inside and out, hates Trump's guts, and is on a winning streak.

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:/

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102. "Tori Q is on indeed.com right about now lol"
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But I would have to think that would get out to the public anyways.

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101. "One of the most concerning things to me: what is Giuliani's job?"
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Why is the president/state department/whoever sending Giuliani to represent the US government and talk to foreign leaders?
By who power?

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108. "co-conspirator."
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116. "Senior Co-Conspirator"
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

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120. "Executive Vice President in charge of Co-Conspiracy."
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Pretty soon it'll be a cabinet-level position. Then he'll be the Secretary of Co-Conspiracy.

Not "officially," though, because then too many rats would be in on the meetings.

  

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chance to dump Trump and get Pence. They would all love to be able to do that and pay a minimal political price for it.

But as it stands now, what has been shown in the summary of the phone call is not quite enough to move Trump's base to turn on him. His base would vote-out most of the R senators who might decide to vote to remove. If this was happening shortly after Trump's re-election, they'd be more inclined to take that chance (plus they'd have Pence for 3+ years, which would be worth it, to them.)

  

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107. "repub mike murphy: 30 repub senators would vote to impeach "
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if it were a secret vote.

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1176902916420096001

i wish the dem base had their politicians by the balls like the repub base does.

our squad was hiding behind cars and ducking under tables during the obama years.

  

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the 10 more necessary votes in addition to that. But that would require them to stand up to their voters, which is hard. But I think their assessment of the situation is off. If they all stood together in a united front, there's not enough Trumpian candidates to replace all, or even most, of them.

In a way, if I were one of those R senators, I'd be pissed that the transcript wasn't worse than it turned out to be. Maybe McConnell was hoping the transcript would be unequivocally, glaringly, absolutely Nixon level bad, giving him the clear excuse to push removal - maybe they all hoped that, which was why the decision to approve last night was unanimous.

  

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111. "any bets on other people coming forward?"
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because i don't think this is it, tbh

i would like to see the dam break on this presidency.

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117. "Pardon my severe ignorance on all this"
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but the Republican led Senate can kill any and all momentum on this, correct?

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118. "They can only kill the trial/removal. The impeachment is in the House."
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119. "RE: Pardon my severe ignorance on all this"
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>but the Republican led Senate can kill any and all momentum
>on this, correct?

If the House approves impeachment via a simple majority - a trial is then held in the Senate. House members act as the prosecutors; senators as jurors; the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court presides. A two-thirds supermajority in the Senate (67 out of 100) is required to convict and remove a president.

This has never happened.

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121. "Thanks for the breakdown."
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Given that the bulk of the impeachment is held by both chambers of Congress, this whole process is still largely political despite how many laws Trump and his cronies break.

I'm guessing the only way Trump will get removed if if he shames the Republicans so badly, they'll turn against him. I don't see that happening since I'm sure they are opportunist in their approach to the dude despite how much of a clown he is.

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It can also be political suicide for the party pushing impeachment (unless they succeed and win the argument). The bar is set extraordinarily high for impeachment to succeed and for a President to actually be removed from office.

>Given that the bulk of the impeachment is held by both
>chambers of Congress, this whole process is still largely
>political despite how many laws Trump and his cronies break.

Everyone is posturing for 2020 (re)-election at this point - in both parties. Pelosi has been pressured for a while now to push for impeachment, and Republicans have basically decided to reject impeachment no matter what. The only play seems to be if Republicans feel that Trump is a loser in 2020 (or it's a loser for them to continue to support him in their local elections).

>I'm guessing the only way Trump will get removed if if he
>shames the Republicans so badly, they'll turn against him. I
>don't see that happening since I'm sure they are opportunist
>in their approach to the dude despite how much of a clown he
>is.

The Republicans have shown to have zero shame and have been stubbornly on the wrong side of history for a while now - I don't think anything changing that current within the next 12-18 months. I think the only way for this to be smart for Democrats is if they think their candidates are set to lose to Trump in 2020 - I don't see how this is politically favorable.

And of course - while we obsess over this - we don't put focus on the urgent and tragic military build-up in the Middle East, the fragile state of the world at the U.N. General Assembly - or the existential threat of climate change/planetary pollution that was highlighted earlier this week.

So it's not all good just because Nancy came out with a fairly muted endorsement for impeachment.


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123. "But Mitch has the power to determine when (and therefore if)..."
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...they actually hold a trial.

Which basically means they do it if and only if it's advantageous to Republicans.

It was also true that the Senate was supposed to hold confirmation hearings for Merrick Garland. Mitch just decided they wouldn't get around to it.

  

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127. "Yes - Kiev Mitch -- which again begs the question if you're a Democrat:"
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Is this worth the political risk - particularly when we're relying on Mitch McConnell and stalwart GOP lifers to render a supermajority in the Republican-led Senate?


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128. "One of the rare occasions where you and I agree."
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I'm kinda shocked. Gonna go play the lotto now.

  

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130. "RE: One of the rare occasions where you and I agree."
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>
>I'm kinda shocked. Gonna go play the lotto now.

I suppose anything is possible. Might as well play the lotto odds lol.


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132. "Out of curiosity, how many of the"
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Democratic nominees aren't pushing for impeachment right now? I think I saw something online that Tulsi Gabbard isn't because she claims it's too divisive for the country. And while I understand why publicly it's wise for the Democratic nominees to want to push for Trump's impeachment, especially in a primary, I have to wonder how much they worry privately about this whole process turning this moron into a political martyr and stirring up his base that much more.

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134. "As of this morning here was the list of House Dems not on board:"
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Rep. Terri Sewell of Alabama
Rep. Tom O'Halleran of Arizona
Rep. Josh Harder of California
Rep. Al Lawson of Florida
Rep. Stephanie Murphy of Florida
Rep. Frederica Wilson of Florida
Rep. Lucy McBath of Georgia
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii
Rep. Dan Lipinski of Illinois
Rep. Cheri Bustos of Illinois
Rep. Sharice Davids of Kansas
Rep. Jared Golden of Maine
Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota
Rep. Susie Lee of Nevada
Rep. Steven Horsford of Nevada
Rep. Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey
Rep. Xochitl Torres Small of New Mexico
Rep. Max Rose of New York
Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney of New York
Rep. Anthony Brindisi of New York
Rep. Kendra Horn of Oklahoma
Rep. Kurt Schrader of Oregon
Rep. Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania
Rep. Joe Cunningham of South Carolina
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez of Texas
Rep. Henry Cuellar of Texas
Rep. Sylvia Garcia of Texas
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas
Rep. Colin Allred of Texas
Rep. Ben McAdams of Utah
Rep. Ron Kind of Wisconsin

Of course - this list may have dwindled down some. Dems will likely get the simple majority needed in the House to proceed.


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137. "Nytimes.com has a live counter on their main page."
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(Kind of embarrassing that it's come to that, but I guess that's how congressional vote counting always works, behind closed doors.)

I haven't been paying close attention, but it seems like it's already moved once or twice today.

They're currently at 210, with 149 opposed (nearly all of them Republicans), and 75 still haven't taken sides. They need 8 more.

This, by the way, is for holding an "inquiry" (which supposedly they're doing regardless). The question of how many would support articles of impeachment is more murky, because for now people can say they're awaiting the results of the inquiry.

  

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156. "nice! Just saw that live counter. They'll get that 8, of course."
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But I don't think most people understand the procedural pitfalls that you've outlined here. The media (once again) is failing to dig into the details of this and are just riding the "Dems move forward with Impeachment!" train for as long as the ratings will sustain it.

>This, by the way, is for holding an "inquiry" (which
>supposedly they're doing regardless). The question of how many
>would support articles of impeachment is more murky, because
>for now people can say they're awaiting the results of the
>inquiry.
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162. "LOL, up to 213 now. Need 5 more. "
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This feels disturbingly similar to counting electoral votes as they come in.

  

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135. "They've been relatively quiet on it, probably in part for that reason."
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Members of Congress have the benefit of relatively uniform and predictable public opinion in their districts. Presidential candidates don't have that, especially in the general election.

There's also the issue that they generally want to be talking about "policy" at this point. And then there's the issue that they're talking to Democrats, and everybody agrees that they hate Trump, so there isn't much to gain.

But it seems like quite a few have come out in support of impeachment over the past month. I haven't been paying attention, but I think Warren, Harris, Booker, Castro, I THINK Sanders but I'm not sure. I think Gabbard is the only one who's expressed opposition.

  

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151. "To be fair, Tulsi is against impeachment (shocker)"
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So...you guys may agree, but I don't think its for the same reasons.

  

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172. "She is such fucking trash"
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Why be the worst democrat when you can be the best republican?

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301. "Actually - no she's not."
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She was against impeachment based on the botched and underwhelming Mueller Report proceedings on Russiagate - but given the new evidence in the Ukraine leaks - she's for pushing forth on impeachment.

  

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122. "Yes but then they have to put it on their record "
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and when all this shit shakes out that will be a stain they can't get rid of.

plus, all the shit that'll get exposed before the senate gets to vote?

They'll break eventually or they'll be broken

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124. "I don't think they even have to go on record."
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Mitch McConnell is the only one with the power to decide if a trial actually happens. If he finds an excuse, no matter how silly (...Merrick Garland...), then it just doesn't happen, and no GOP Senator has to take sides on the facts themselves, not even Mitch.

  

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125. "ah damn "
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can't all be gold!

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131. "I mean the press might be able to put people on record."
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(And I should admit I'm not 100% sure Mitch has the power to table the impeachment trial. That just seems to be a power he's used with impunity on everything else.)

To be honest, unless someone can come up with some halfway convincing talking points the GOP senators will have to be pretty fucking evasive over the coming year to actually avoid taking sides in the media.

But the actual impeachment trial itself, sadly all it is is a specific, clear, unambiguous constitutional requirement, which means it's only as certain as people's respect for the constitution.

  

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129. "It’s not gonna go anywhere because Senate Republicans are punks."
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142. "Forget the senate - the house is where the action is"
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We'll worry about the Senate when it gets there.

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155. "House voting for impeachment is a foregone conclusion though. "
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There’s more than brought Dems in the House to vote for impeachment so that’s definitely going to happen.

Which is why focusing on how the Senate Republicans are punks was my point lol.

  

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161. "Nah the Senate is where the action is on this."
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House can get the requisite votes easy to impeach. It's all benign if Kiev Mitch and 2/3rds of the Senate don't vote to impeach and remove Trump.

Relying on Mueller to save The Republic was bad enough - let's not foolishly rely on Mitch and the GOP Senators to save the day.

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147. "good. let them run on covering for a corrupt president in 2020."
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in states like co, az, ma, etc.

  

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165. "^^This here"
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IF the House holds a trial,
AND it shows what most non Republicans suspect:
Trump is corrupt and was asking foreign countries to lie about an American citizen.

AND they impeach him.

AND then Senate Republicans sqauahs the charges.

THEN every Democrat can campaign on how corrupt every Republican is.

That's a win for DEMS.

If the trail is fair in the Senate it's liekly he'll be removed (assuming he's impeached first.)

But: It won't be fair in the Senate.

THEN every Democrat can campaign on how corrupt every Republican is.

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133. "Trump & co scared AF"
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136. "acting dni threatened to resign if trump restrained his testimony"
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1176931894275051522
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Breaking via WaPo: The acting Director of National Intelligence threatened to resign over concerns that the White House might attempt to force him to stonewall Congress when he testifies Thursday about the explosive whistleblower complaint.

https://t.co/1YjL1PqK7D
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this shit is a mess.

honestly wh/doj intervening with the wb complaint made this 10x worse.

the gist of the ukrainian call, the withholding of military aid and giulianis crusade for biden dirt have all been previously reported on and didnt garner anywhere near this level of reaction. it all kinda slipped under the radar.

  

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148. "fuck pete davidson for elevating this dickhead:"
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https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1176910675358244864

  

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158. "fuck that pirate one eyed willie clown piece of shit..."
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163. "in the eyehole"
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160. "the most basic search of facts debunks the entire biden thing"
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such as the fact that the prosecutor cleared them BEFORE he was removed
or that a HUGE majority or the Urk parliment (or whateverthefuck they have) voted to remove him

its insanity

  

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159. "This CLOWN is talking abut the Election results again.. OMG"
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167. "what’s up with the reporters? "
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like, can you go to jail for challenging the president or something? Why don’t they challenge him to answer their question?

btw, this post is awesome

  

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170. "Challenge him how?"
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He's hostile to the press. He answers whatever he wants to answer

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171. "that he’s not answering the question..."
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go off on him...

“answer the damn question”

  

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179. "Consciousness of guilt. Coverup."
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According to the whistleblower complaint, the call was digitally recorded. Then White House lawyers tried to have it deleted.

The closest thing to a talking point from the WH has been "He wasn't suggesting a quid pro quo, there was nothing wrong with the call." Then why did you try to delete the record?

I won't swipe; just catching it on the news this morning. But if I'm hearing this right the story is probably all over the place.

  

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182. "LOL nunes is BOOOOMBING"
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if this is the best the R's got, its gonna be a long day for them

  

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184. "None of the Dems are asking about what's in the complaint, though."
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So far they're all just arguing with him about why it took them so long to get it.

It's like they planned out their questioning a week ago on the assumption that they wouldn't get the complaint.

I'm hoping that somebody smartens up as the hearing goes on.

Or maybe they're hoping to direct their questions on this to the whistleblower himself.

  

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187. "these hearings are so frustrating."
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its like dems still dont know that this is their only chance to get unfiltered information out to an undivided audience without it going through the right wing spin cycle first.

  

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205. "Someone at 538 had what I thought was a plausible explanation."
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The argument was that the press will be talking about what's in the WB complaint regardless. The more important thing while the DNI was in the room was to push him to admit if he ever felt pressured by the white house to hold it back. Supposedly they were digging for more evidence rather than looking for soundbites on the existing evidence.

While that might be part of it, I also wouldn't underestimate the ability of members of congress (generally unskilled prosecutors, obviously) to have fully digested the news in the complaint that came out just this morning as they were stepping into the hall.

  

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191. "maguire wasn't giving him the answers that he wanted"
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Maguire basically said that the white house and the National Security Council was behind the release of the accusations against Trump

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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183. "WTF Tekashi45!?!"
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-pence-president-pelosi_n_5d8c49c6e4b0e9e760472a5b?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006

Why would you just randomly add your VP's name to the discussion?

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186. "to let repubs know pence is gone too and pelosi will be prez."
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just in case they get any ideas in their head about throwing you overboard.

  

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209. "Yup. People forget: Trump doesn't give a shit about Republicans."
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Before he got the opportunity to use the national government for his personal enrichment and aggrandizement, the plan was always to use rank and file Republicans for his personal enrichment and aggrandizement.

  

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216. "But he gives a shit about staying in power."
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223. "Yup."
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226. "He's thinking this will stick to Pence and not him"
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That way he can force out Pence and name Ivanka as his VP.

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188. " whistleblower said theres a secret stash of tapes just like watergate"
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and dems aint even developing a line of questioning around that.

i hate congresspeople running hearings of this level of importance.

i thought this shit would be the closest thing to a slam dunk for dems but that assumed they were actually competent.

  

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189. "the fact that a lot of dems want to hurry through this whole process"
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so they can get impeachment done by some arbitrary deadline at the end of the year should be concerning.

because there are a ton of fact witnesses directly implicated in this (who themselves will open up additional people/events to investigate further) and a linear but detailed story to build and it cant be rushed through without likely being sloppy and leaving a ton of meat on the bone.

  

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193. "jackie speier finally doing the lords work."
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197. "RE: whistleblower said theres a secret stash of tapes just like waterga..."
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i guess i missed that. where did it say that?

  

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200. "here ya go"
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207. "i just take that to mean transcripts"
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like different drafts. is my reading comprehension that bad?

the issue he seems to be pointing out is that this conversation should have been left on the regular servers and it being moved was definitely part of the cover up. limit who has access to the transcripts while they worked on finessing it. i dont see how it means there are audio recordings.

  

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211. "oh i didnt mean tapes literally."
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just that theres a record of wrongdoing being compiled somewhere that would blow open the investigation if/when exposed.

  

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217. "i guess i was being hopefuly"
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actual audio recordings would be almost irrefutable. any sort of transcript or notes could be questioned pretty easily.

  

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212. "The claim (and I heard this even before the WB report came out)..."
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was that the transcripts are now being produced in part by dictation software that works from audio recordings.

And then one of the allegations in the WB complaint was that shortly after the call, White House lawyers tried to have those recordings destroyed.

(I could be wrong about this; it's just what I picked up on my way to work this morning.)

Most of my view of impeachment being doomed to failure has been predicated on the assumption that NOBODY would be dumb enough to record routine Presidential conversations after what happened to Nixon. But jesus, who the fuck knows?

  

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255. "I must have misunderstood this."
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Because yeah, at this point everyone's really just talking about transcripts being "locked down." If there was actual audio out there the media (and the Democrats) would be flipping their lids for it.

  

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273. "i think the closest i remember reading was an app"
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like it didnt actually do audio recording but live transcript. not sure thats a thing but thats how i understood it.

it does seem like a lot of people are understanding or talking about it as if there are audio recordings.

i think in the end what trump has said is already plenty to impeach him. im not really buying the notion of this being the tip of more corruption. im sure theres plenty of corruption but lets get him for what is already known and stop claiming there is more to uncover.

  

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190. "this hearing is fun!"
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I am getting the feeling that the Acting DNI is out of his depth, which is funny considering that he is now having to navigate as a federal employee under a traitorious group of Republicans. He seems to not have considered the depth of hate for the Trump Administration by Democrats and the depth of duplicitousness by the Trump Administration against federal employees.

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192. "These Republicans are Spineless "
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195. "completely corrupt."
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the entire party platform is based on lying and drumming up conspiracy theories.

this isnt accurately reflected in news coverage because the media have been effectively bullied by repubs for decades.

  

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194. "House Intelligence Committee releases Whistleblower Complaint"
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https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
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196. ""Dan Coats timing is better than mine." hilarity"
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198. "If darkness can't cast out darkness corruption can't cast out corruption"
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The corruption is clearly bipartisan so this won't go anywhere even if there are solid facts

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206. "I'm here for the theater. Thank you tho"
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199. "Coats heard about that report and was like Nah, I'm out."
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Coats Was like, Don't even show me, tell me, sign, blink, etc. to me about anything related to any rumors about that supposed issue.



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208. "Shit is wild. Trump putting pressure on the entire eastern block "
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To investigate his political rivals

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201. "coverage of these hearings should do a better job emphasizing the fact"
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that the repubs in these committees never defend the presidents actual behavior. they just attempt to discredit and undermine everything else.

  

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203. "Again, Only OKP can do it better.... SMH. "
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215. "Dems need to call that out with bullhorns"
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its the same playbook they used with the Comey hearings, Mueller, Cohen, etc..

it's the most obvious shit in the world and they keep getting away with it

  

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204. "Rudy is not built for this"
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https://twitter.com/MichaelRWarren/status/1177249644461604867?s=20

None of them are

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210. "Rudy is giving non trump media one story and fox another"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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213. "oddly enough he said that on fox too lol."
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https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1176684970536050689

  

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224. "this man is a lawyer!!!!!"
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What an embarrassment smh

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229. "with lawyers like these who needs enemies!"
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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228. "Guiliani6ix9ine's descent into madness is *chef's kiss*"
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https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1177288410689671170?s=20

The old 'You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become the hero' scenario

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214. "the best part about having these hearings in the daytime..."
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(and why dems should have been using this as a central strategy)

...is that people who watch them on fox news are forced to watch post-hearings coverage by real journalists like shep smith and chris wallace instead of being spoon fed cherrypicked information from trump lackeys like sean hannity as the first source.

if you see the trumpster meltdowns on twitter having to sit through wallace/smith discuss things from a non-maga lens...then you know how effective that is.

  

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219. "Will this circle back around to the Manafort mess at some point?"
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He was guiding/lobbying the pro-russian regime and now we have them leaning on the current regime.

More than likely the same players are still at the table.

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220. "absolutely. it will and already has. the dots are connected"
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Trump has already hinted at a pardon for him... and retaliation against those who dimed him out

y'all need to read Proof of Conspiracy by Seth Abramson

  

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233. "lost in all the noise: this is the *2nd* time trump threatened"
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to hold military aid to ukraine.

the 1st time was when trump conditioned military aid to ukraine on them ending their cooperation with mueller probe on manafort.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-stopped-helping-mueller-probe-after-trump-administration-gave-it-908322

in a press conference...trump brought up dem senators who contacted ukraine about this and falsely equated it to what he is being accused of.

the political press doesnt really seem to interested in recounting/exploring this.

  

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238. "smh"
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Someone else will take the fall for all of this. I wonder what the complete Trump Era story will be once it's said and done.

>the 1st time was when trump conditioned military aid to ukraine on them ending their cooperation with mueller probe on manafort.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-stopped-helping-mueller-probe-after-trump-administration-gave-it-908322

in a press conference...trump brought up dem senators who contacted ukraine about this and falsely equated it to what he is being accused of.

the political press doesnt really seem to interested in recounting/exploring this.

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227. "After viewing the Acting DNI's testimony, i think he's sincere"
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I think he did his best to handle this to the letter of the law as he understood it

he did not seem wishy washy or underhanded or overtly political to me

I think Repubs know that cuz some of them were a bit hard on him too, from the bits i saw

i could be reading it wrong tho..

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231. "when he first got elevated the reporting said he didnt want the job."
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i dont believe he is an active participant in the coverup.

but i do think he is a republican who (along with an extensive history of republican officials) gave a republican administration the benefit of the doubt where he prolly would have been more skeptical/adversarial to a dem administration.

  

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234. "ok that I can agree with..you said it better than me"
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271. "^^^ see: his smirk at "This is life under a Democrat controlled house""
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Like...he was sincerely underqualified for this job and sincerely incompetent as to what has been going on in this administration

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232. "Sincere ? nah"
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>I think he did his best to handle this to the letter of the
>law as he understood it
>
>he did not seem wishy washy or underhanded or overtly
>political to me
>
>I think Repubs know that cuz some of them were a bit hard on
>him too, from the bits i saw
>
>i could be reading it wrong tho..
>
>d



"Initially, Maguire seemed to waver about the chronology of events related to his handling of the complaint but ultimately told lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee that his office did seek guidance from the White House before raising the issue with the Office of Legal Counsel and Department of Justice, which advised he was not legally bound to provide it to the committee."

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236. "Not saying he was right to do that, however"
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he did explain that it was because the complaint included possible privileged comms between the president and other countries...

one can kinda argue that it makes sense that he would be wary about his own possible overreach

while i don't agree, i'm also not an intelligence official

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262. "i disagree"
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the fact that he took the complaint *to the people* the complaint was about
and that effectively squashed it... not right
and the he effectively admitted that there was no precedent for this
this was the first time that a WB complaint was not directly sent to congress

so.... i dont know what his rationale was
but certainly none of this rings of someone who was just doing his job
and tbh i think if they hadn't squashed the complaint
this probably wouldn't have been as big a deal as it became
so... irony

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284. "I dunno. You have a point but I also think ..."
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... considering how this "admin" will twist and contort everything, even the most buttoned up facts, he wanted to make sure he followed the letter of the law to a fucking T to ensure that these corrupt traitors didn't have any opportunity to claim he was being partisan.

And they did anyway.

*the above is based on my assumption that what I'm reading is correct: that the way he reported it is *technically* the way these kinds of things are supposed to be reported up the chain.


>the fact that he took the complaint *to the people* the
>complaint was about
>and that effectively squashed it... not right
>and the he effectively admitted that there was no precedent
>for this
>this was the first time that a WB complaint was not directly
>sent to congress
>
>so.... i dont know what his rationale was
>but certainly none of this rings of someone who was just doing
>his job
>and tbh i think if they hadn't squashed the complaint
>this probably wouldn't have been as big a deal as it became
>so... irony

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295. "its not"
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>*the above is based on my assumption that what I'm reading is
>correct: that the way he reported it is *technically* the way
>these kinds of things are supposed to be reported up the
>chain.

the right thing to have done would have been to send the WB complaint to Schiff's committee
which is why he had to admit that what he did was without precedence
and which is why i don't trust him.

there is no way a WB complaint is sent to the subjects of the complaint.
its why this is all very irregular.


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230. "oh look. impeachment not looking so bad for dems among the public."
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https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1177278120820387840

obviously we got a long way to go but its hard to see public sentiment shifting less pro-impeachment as more info comes out.

a lot of people might need to eat crow and bow before big dick pelosi if this all works out (myself included).

  

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242. "I think you hit it on the head several times"
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that we all (the media, politicians, us on here, etc) tend to give Trumpsters more power/credit than they really have.

Sometimes with all the evil shit that's happened in the past 3 years or whatever its easy to feel like the majority of people are rabid Trump supporters.


I know its a single poll, but 22% of Republicans strongly support impeachment? damn.


We've all talked about how Trump has used the GOP to gain power. I don't think we've talked enough about how the GOP has used Trump. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I do see a slight possibility (for the first time since the election) that the GOP will ditch him once the benefits no longer outweigh the costs.

The potential of losing the senate AND the WH is probably the tipping point.


But I've been hurt before lol


I do have to disagree with you on Pelosi getting the credit though, man. If anything, we should give credit to dems (in the house and just regular people calling) who have been pushing this issue for a long time, and especially the Dems who came out in favor this week even though they are in risky seats.

I think her hand was forced, but I'll take it.

  

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246. "Pelosi shouldn't get credit, but she's handled this the right way"
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Her hand SHOULD be forced because that makes it so that no one can ever accuse her of acting on impulse

she sits and waits for the majority of her caucus to demand her to act

that's smart leadership, y'all. sorry

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252. "RE: Pelosi shouldn't get credit, but she's handled this the right way"
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I get your point, but by that logic she is never accountable to drive anything- which simply isn't true, and also contradicts other areas where her most passionate supporters give her credit (her ability to whip her caucus to be on the same page)

Not to mention this specific issue (Ukraine stuff) is so out of bounds I don't think there was much of a choice.


Basically, if there are "heroes" in this situation its the WB and Dems that came out in favor this week, despite their seats.


"not screwing this one up" or even more kindly "she didn't wait this time" isn't the bar for good leadership. In other words "not getting in the way" doesn't = good leadership. It just isn't bad leadership.

That being said, I think we can (and should) be grateful for her moving forward and not waiting for polls this time.

Either way, I don't think "bow down to Pelosi's genius" is applicable here, even if you are a huge fan. Its just that Trump, etc really are that fucking stupid, and some dems stuck their necks out.

  

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266. "i hear you"
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>
>I get your point, but by that logic she is never accountable
>to drive anything- which simply isn't true, and also
>contradicts other areas where her most passionate supporters
>give her credit (her ability to whip her caucus to be on the
>same page)

I'm definitely only speaking to this specific unique thing that not every Speaker gets to have to do: consider impeachment. I think slow and thoughtful is the best course of action and she did that

>Not to mention this specific issue (Ukraine stuff) is so out
>of bounds I don't think there was much of a choice.

agreed

>Basically, if there are "heroes" in this situation its the WB
>and Dems that came out in favor this week, despite their
>seats.

agreed

>"not screwing this one up" or even more kindly "she didn't
>wait this time" isn't the bar for good leadership. In other
>words "not getting in the way" doesn't = good leadership. It
>just isn't bad leadership.
>
>That being said, I think we can (and should) be grateful for
>her moving forward and not waiting for polls this time.

true

>Either way, I don't think "bow down to Pelosi's genius" is
>applicable here, even if you are a huge fan. Its just that
>Trump, etc really are that fucking stupid, and some dems stuck
>their necks out.

I don't think anyone is saying that..definitely not me. I don't find her to be particularly genius. Just an experienced Representative who understands how to whip votes/build consensus and work the system from within.

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251. "pelosi could have jumped the gun just to please the base."
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ultimately she is a political operator who is charged with protecting the electoral prospects of her *entire* party...including the dems sitting in trump districts.

if her giving the public green light now is more politically opportune/effective than her giving the public green light at any time in the past (and it looks that way)...then she deserves credit for that imo.

its not credit for being 'forced' to come on board now. its credit for not being 'forced' to come on board at an earlier time when it could have been politically misguided.

  

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256. "meh I think that is a reach"
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>ultimately she is a political operator who is charged with
>protecting the electoral prospects of her *entire*
>party...including the dems sitting in trump districts.

Right. And once some of those dems came out in favor, she was for it. You don't think that forced her hand?

Either way...at least mention those "big dicked" Dems lol

>
>if her giving the public green light now is more politically
>opportune/effective than her giving the public green light at
>any time in the past (and it looks that way)...then she
>deserves credit for that imo.

Well, first of all, this one was kind of a slam dunk. So as I said in my other post, "not getting in the way" this time isn't really a cause to call her a hero or genius.

I think we can be grateful and complimentary without overstating.

This isn't genius...this fell in her lap.

>
>its not credit for being 'forced' to come on board now. its
>credit for not being 'forced' to come on board at an earlier
>time when it could have been politically misguided.
>
>

Wait a second, you just disagreed with your previous points on impeachment to defend Pelosi.

You were pro-impeachment before this. You pointed out that it wasn't as hurtful to the GOP in 98 as people like to say. You pointed out that Trump is polling much lower than Clinton. Etc.

And maybe I'm wrong, but I could have sworn you have said in the past something to the effect of the polls could be "down" on impeachment simply because the Dems aren't forcing it- or selling it.


Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else on that last point, but the fact remains she didn't have a crystal ball lol

She didn't hold off on impeachment because she knew something "better" was coming.

Who is to say the polls wouldn't have moved up had the began impeachment hearings after the Mueller report? etc?


If anything, the very polls you are posting are showing that maybe Democrats she be bold more often.

Yeah, maybe this one is an easier sell. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have sold impeachment on previous issues. She shouldn't get credit simply because Trump is so awful something else came along.


I honestly don't want to turn this into a Pelosi bashing session, because I am grateful she gave the green light.

I just think saying everyone needs to "bow down" or whatever is a huge overstatement, and contradicts your own previous opinion on impeachment.

  

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261. "fam i specifically mentioned myself as someone "
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who might have to change their opinion on pelosi.

meaning i was super-pro-impeachment and anti-pelosi but am now warming up to her approach.

hopefully that clears up some of your confusion.

  

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248. "another poll:"
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https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1177315262498058241
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A Morning Consult/Politico poll shows support for impeachment increasing with support and opposition both at 43% : "Support for impeaching the president has increased by 13 points in recent days."

https://t.co/asO2xvp6x4
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249. "another one:"
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https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1177298051116994567
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Business Insider and SurveyMonkey asked respondents:

“Impeachment is the first step in the process of removing a president from office. Do you think the House of Representatives should impeach President Trump?”

45% said yes.
30% said no.

https://t.co/XZAt5RRncz
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https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1177242469454536714
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When SurveyMonkey asked, “Do you believe launching a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump for soliciting foreign interference in a U.S. election is the right thing to do?”:

A majority said either “definitely yes” (33%) or “probably yes” (20%).

https://t.co/BavbkxDmoI
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258. "and another:"
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https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1177316524664741888
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New NPR/PBS/Marist poll conducted YESTERDAY, after the House launched an impeachment inquiry:

Do you approve or disapprove of the House of Representatives formally starting an impeachment inquiry into President Trump?

Approve 49%
Disapprove 46%
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https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1177317328243085317
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New NPR/PBS/Marist poll on support for the House's formal impeachment inquiry by party:

Democrats:
88% approve
10% disapprove

Republicans:
6% approve
93% disapprove

Independents:
44% approve
50% disapprove
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most of these polls were in the 30s for support for impeachment. a 10+ pt rise in support in only a few days is pretty wild.

  

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264. "i give pelosi zero credit. none"
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>a lot of people might need to eat crow and bow before big dick
>pelosi if this all works out (myself included).


i think this was long overdue and i am glad it's happening now
(better late than never)
but there has been a lot of momentum that (imo) has been lost already.
and I also think there are multiple egregious acts that are impeachable that also deserve to be investigated
including financial impropriety
i hope these do come out because there have been multiple investigations
that i'd like to see come to light


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268. "There is no smarter strategist in politics than Nancy Pelosi."
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Social Security was gonna be privatized in 2005. It wasn't, because she figured out how to stop it despite Republicans having majorities on BOTH chambers and the White House.

Obamacare was gonna die in 2010. It didn't, because she found a way to maneuver around the fact that a Republican won TED KENNEDY's seat specifically on a promise to stop it.

Tea Partiers ran on privatizing Medicare from 2011 to 2013. She turned it into a weight around the Republicans' necks and they don't even talk about it anymore.

I'm honestly a little worried about what happens to the country when she eventually steps down.

  

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Republicans demonize her for a reason.
Who else has Trump more shook besides Putin?

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347. "Republicans demonize literally every democrat."
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I'm not entirely sure how mentioning that helps your case haha.

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351. "ok now that you've laid it out like that, wow...yes"
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i didn't connect all those dots before

  

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377. "The 2005 Social Security showdown alone..."
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secures her position in my mind as a political master.

People had been talking for years about how it had to be "reformed." (And in a sense it did, and still does; the problem is Republicans can't imagine the option of simply FUNDING it.)

So W put out this "reform" proposal, claiming he'd won political capital in his reelection, and he was putting it all toward this. Republicans held both houses of Congress. It was gonna happen. I remember him talking about it the day after his reelection. I was fucking dejected. We all were. The New Deal was dead.

Democrats didn't like it. Republicans and the media started screaming: well we have to do something!!!1 What's the Democratic alternative?!! If the Democrats don't offer an alternative they're ceding the argument to Republicans!

And given how the media and the beltway had been talking about social security for decades, everyone thought the Dems would have to cave and offer a slimmed-down version of Bush's proposal just to turn it down at least a little. Republicans were asking for more than they expected to get; we were supposed to haggle.

But Nancy knew that while budget hysteria was sacrosanct among a lot of Americans, Social Security was sacrosanct among even more. And if she offered ANY alternative proposal, she'd either be playing into their false premise that the benefits are "unsustainable," or giving Republicans a wedge to squeeze their proposal through on the old "See! The Democrats just want to tax everyone to death!"

So she didn't give them shit. She didn't play their game.

Her own members were asking for a Democratic alternative proposal. She was quoted telling her own member "Never. Is never good enough for you?"

And it worked like magic. G.W. Bush was out campaigning for months on his plan, and its popularity only went downhill, and his with it. Nancy resisting the urge to play the unwinnable game left it entirely up to Republicans to be talking about cuts in essential benefits.

This was before she'd ever even been the speaker.

Pelosi knew her members, she knew what they needed to support and what they didn't need to support. We won the house and the senate in a blue-wave in 2006. And now even Donald Fucking Trump claims that he doesn't want to cut Social Security.

  

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277. "politico poll: highest support for impeachment of trumps presidency."
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https://twitter.com/politico/status/1177320890863935488

family look at that sharp increase in just a few days.

  

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235. "nytimes soft unmasking the whistleblower."
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1177282077693218817
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Breaking News: The whistle-blower is said to be a CIA officer who was assigned to work at the White House. His complaint suggests he is a trained analyst.

https://t.co/wA0GOwwiWX
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whistleblowers attorney responds
https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1177285339905515520
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Whistle blower atty. Mark S. Zaid responds: "Publishing details about the whistleblower will only lead to identification of someone, whether our client or the wrong person, as the whistleblower. This will place this individual in a much more dangerous situation"
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this comes as trump threatened the whistleblower behind closed doors at a un meeting
https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/1177267299415396353
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Wow via @maggieNYT -- Trump told a room full of U.S. diplomats that he wants to find out who the whistleblower's sources were and they were “close to a spy,” and that “in the old days” spies were dealt with differently

https://t.co/6RzJCjkyJH
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237. "This seems to be very irresponsible of the Times."
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Assuming of course this isn't something that isn't coordinated with the whistle-blower him/herself.

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239. "the whistleblowers attorney denounced it."
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nytimes has a laundry list of fucked up shit theyve done like this.

  

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241. "here's audio of Trump implying we need to kill the whistleblower's sourc..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFhU6Qk_OIk

>Wow via @maggieNYT -- Trump told a room full of U.S. diplomats
>that he wants to find out who the whistleblower's sources were
>and they were “close to a spy,” and that “in the old
>days” spies were dealt with differently
>
>https://t.co/6RzJCjkyJH
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243. "Whoa holy shit."
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244. "the more he talks, the more it helps Dems man"
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This is what some of us have been saying, yourself very much included.

Push back on Trump and he is either going to back down or have a fucking meltdown.

This isn't me saying "he's done"...but I just can't fathom how people were so strongly against impeaching this motherfucker.

  

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250. "I still have trust issues brother hahah."
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>This is what some of us have been saying, yourself very much
>included.
>
>Push back on Trump and he is either going to back down or have
>a fucking meltdown.
>
>This isn't me saying "he's done"...but I just can't fathom how
>people were so strongly against impeaching this motherfucker.

Yea I know you're not saying that, how could we considering how deep in the shitter we've gotten. But damn - if *this shit* doesn't get us at least somewhere close then I don't even want to live here anymore.

Dogg I had an acquaintance arguing with me today that "most people are sick of the witch hunt and just want the dems to develop an opponent to beat him in 2020." Which isn't even true, of course, according to polling. But that aside it's just asinine to me that folks, after ALL OF THIS, can still act like this is much ado about nothing. And beyond even THAT, this kid is literally suggesting that congress/the dnc should ignore the high crimes and bribery aimed at influencing the 2020 election, and just focus on producing a candidate who can WIN said corrupted/compromised 2020 election.

The idiocy of that "logic" boggles the mind.

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260. "I hear you"
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>>This is what some of us have been saying, yourself very
>much
>>included.
>>
>>Push back on Trump and he is either going to back down or
>have
>>a fucking meltdown.
>>
>>This isn't me saying "he's done"...but I just can't fathom
>how
>>people were so strongly against impeaching this motherfucker.
>
>
>Yea I know you're not saying that, how could we considering
>how deep in the shitter we've gotten. But damn - if *this
>shit* doesn't get us at least somewhere close then I don't
>even want to live here anymore.


Agreed. My point was this idea that people that had impeaching Trump would turn him into a martyr or whatever neglects the fact that he is an impulsive fucking idiot.

"why don't we just kill the WB" isn't exactly "I'm innocent"

In other words, maybe impeachment does nothing and also doesn't help dems (though I really do think it will help turnout regardless).


I just don't see how it can help I1, because I don't think he is smart/smooth/whatever enough to flip it into a W for himself even if the Dems handle it poorly.

We are a day into this thing and he is talking about having folks killed.

In other words, I really don't think many people who currently dislike Trump are going to suddenly like him because he's being impeached. Especially when he does stupid shit like this.


>
>Dogg I had an acquaintance arguing with me today that "most
>people are sick of the witch hunt and just want the dems to
>develop an opponent to beat him in 2020." Which isn't even
>true, of course, according to polling. But that aside it's
>just asinine to me that folks, after ALL OF THIS, can still
>act like this is much ado about nothing. And beyond even THAT,
>this kid is literally suggesting that congress/the dnc should
>ignore the high crimes and bribery aimed at influencing the
>2020 election, and just focus on producing a candidate who can
>WIN said corrupted/compromised 2020 election.
>
>The idiocy of that "logic" boggles the mind.

Ditch that fucking acquaintance! haha. My experience is people who say stupid shit like that also wouldn't pay attention to the Dem's 2020 candidate either, and if I had to guess dude probably doesn't vote or some shit.

  

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285. "Oh for sure."
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>Agreed. My point was this idea that people that had
>impeaching Trump would turn him into a martyr or whatever
>neglects the fact that he is an impulsive fucking idiot.
>
>"why don't we just kill the WB" isn't exactly "I'm innocent"
>
>In other words, maybe impeachment does nothing and also
>doesn't help dems (though I really do think it will help
>turnout regardless).
>
>
>I just don't see how it can help I1, because I don't think he
>is smart/smooth/whatever enough to flip it into a W for
>himself even if the Dems handle it poorly.
>
>We are a day into this thing and he is talking about having
>folks killed.
>
>In other words, I really don't think many people who currently
>dislike Trump are going to suddenly like him because he's
>being impeached. Especially when he does stupid shit like
>this.

LOL I feel you.


>Ditch that fucking acquaintance! haha. My experience is people
>who say stupid shit like that also wouldn't pay attention to
>the Dem's 2020 candidate either, and if I had to guess dude
>probably doesn't vote or some shit.

Oh fuck that kid for life. I barely liked him to begin with, just tolerated him.

But best believe I peppered him the rest of the day with the tweets about polls Reeq was posting, all like "oh the voters are SO TIRED of the attacks on poor Trump !" haha.

Fuck that kid.

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313. "I'm tempted"
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>
>Oh fuck that kid for life.

To make this my sig...lol

  

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245. "It's pretty sad"
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that established Republicans are deciding to defend and ride for this dude.

These are truly strange times to be alive.

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253. "the shit that repub politicians/voters give him a pass on is deplorable."
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we have endless discussions about a corrupt president and politicians.

we have next to no discussion about a corrupt population.

  

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254. "He's a symptom, not the problem."
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Even if impeachment went "well" we'd do the same thing we did with the hopelessly corrupt Cheney(Bush) admin ... pretend shit's gone back to normal, blissfully ignore the festering problem for a couple of years, then go right back to blatant corruption, white supremacy and crime.

This country has deep rooted, systemic issues that may never be resolved. I'm kinda hopeless at this point. Cause I thought after Bush we'd never go backwards again but christ was I wrong.

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263. "The voters I can somewhat stomach"
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since I'm assuming folks that vote for him are ill-informed and/or side with him because Trump happens to hold one or more position they happen to agree with, despite how trash of a human being he is.

The current Republican politicians on the other hand I hold to a higher standard because they on paper are much more well-informed than the average voter and are privy to much more of Trump and his cabinet's flaws, yet they still give him support.

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257. "funny that he uses the word treason"
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he believes people should be loyal to him, not the country.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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286. "Haha yea I had a laugh about that too. So obviously insane."
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272. "i really fail to understand dean baquet"
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he just seems to be the wrong person in this role

focusing on *who* the WB..and arguing that its to prove his credibility
(or rather allow *readers* the assess credibility)
is the most idiotic take ever.
they seem more likely to protect the identity of random liars from the white house than someone who followed due process
and whose concerns were deemed credible.

I really just don't get it.

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240. "black women are consistently the best thing on cable news."
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no mealymouthedness, bothsidesism, etc. just relevant info direct and to the point.

the smartest (and most thoroughly prepared) person on every panel is most likely the black woman (except for mia love).

  

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267. "I’m not sold..."
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especially dealing with an unjust man. no doubt that it’s good

I got y’all on and the tv lol

  

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275. "The trade deal with China will happen once the hearings are underway "
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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276. "Either that or that's when he blows the whole thing up."
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He's already been saying in rallies that the stock market (and, by implication, the "economy") will tank if he gets impeached. If it's tanking anyway he might as well encourage it and blame it on the impeachment to avoid any blame for himself.

  

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288. "Possible. He'll do anything to avoid feelings of responsibility"
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283. "You always find the silver lining in Trump's"
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Dark clouds

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287. "I didn't say it would be a good deal"
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And a bad deal would be a lucky break

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289. "I'm CRINE"
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https://twitter.com/SalHernandez/status/1177412145434116096?s=20

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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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291. "Monica Zelensky"
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thats kind of funny

  

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Reeq
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292. "tulsi gabbard becomes the 1st republican to support impeachment inquiry."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFfH122U0AApB_n.jpg

  

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293. "LOL"
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294. "*pats shiny ass chest with red hanky*"
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Reeq
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296. "2nd republican comes out in favor of impeachment inquiry."
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1177706990803533824
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The first Republican House member has announced support for the impeachment inquiry against President Trump: Representative Mark Amodei of Nevada

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFgOREkW4AI8VXw.jpg

https://t.co/nnYylNUBSA
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i thought he would be someone that barely won his race in a rapidly blue-ing suburban district or something like that. but i just checked and dude won his race by almost 20 pts. seems pretty significant. and more republicans are heading home to hear from people in their districts for the next 2 weeks.

  

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302. "Funny thing is, Tulsi is lightyears more progressive and Democratic"
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than most of the center-left candidates you stay propping up here.

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306. "her and her long history as a progressive since *checks notes* 2017."
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312. "LOL"
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318. "That was a quick change"
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/463405-gabbard-says-she-supports-impeachment


On Wednesday she said

"an impeachment inquiry would be "terribly divisive."

"the White House memo on Trump's call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky didn't make a “compelling” impeachment case."

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297. "Ukraine envoy has resigned lol"
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https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/kurt-volker-resigns/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

  

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298. "news broken by a freak'n school newspaper"
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nytimes should be ashamed of themselves, tbh

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Reeq
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303. "nytimes had the potential scoop of a lifetime with rudy and ukraine"
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woodward and bernstein level stuff.

instead they used it to allow republican hatchet man kurt vogel to pursue a smear campaign against joe and hunter biden (that has been repeatedly debunked).

and here he is still pushing that narrative amidst the whistleblower complaint.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1175155103847845893

here he is again pushing a complete lie to refute the 'quid pro quo' in the whistleblower complaint.
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1176882766597767168

vogel is the same reporter who literally adopted/commissioned steve bannons clinton cash book into (erroneous) reporting and pushed debunked lies about the clinton foundation and uranium one.

and the nytimes was cool with all of that while ignoring scoops about trumps mob ties, the steele dossier, and the fbis investigation into the trump campaign.

imagine that being your legacy (along with the judith miller/iraq war stuff).

  

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Reeq
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300. "i was told the impeachment inquiry was supposed to be bad for dems."
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330. "honestly for me this was the most disappointing of takes"
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the whole, ignore that he's breaking the law all the time
for political expediency and machinations
which to me is closely related to we don't have a moral obligation
to actually do the work to shift attitudes
and perhaps accountability and rule of law is more important than short term gains
(even if it means setting precedent that the president is above the law)
which is the biggest problem i have with democrats - we don't play the long game
on the issues that are important to us
whereas republicans will spend 10+ years changing attitudes, setting up 'policy groups' and politicizing things that were should not be/ or at least should not be controversial
(*see abortion, for example. and taxes. and health care. and...)
i dont see that changing, even now... when the focus is on wrapping things up by thanksgiving and narrowly focusing on Ukraine
as opposed to going after everything
republicans are much better at scorch earth tactics.... we aren't
i dont think we need to be as bad as they have been.... but we certainly need more courage of conviction.
and we need to start strategizing beyond the election cycle


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334. "SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS"
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>the whole, ignore that he's breaking the law all the time
>for political expediency and machinations
>which to me is closely related to we don't have a moral
>obligation
>to actually do the work to shift attitudes
>and perhaps accountability and rule of law is more important
>than short term gains
>(even if it means setting precedent that the president is
>above the law)
>which is the biggest problem i have with democrats - we don't
>play the long game
>on the issues that are important to us
>whereas republicans will spend 10+ years changing attitudes,
>setting up 'policy groups' and politicizing things that were
>should not be/ or at least should not be controversial
>(*see abortion, for example. and taxes. and health care.
>and...)
>i dont see that changing, even now... when the focus is on
>wrapping things up by thanksgiving and narrowly focusing on
>Ukraine
>as opposed to going after everything
>republicans are much better at scorch earth tactics.... we
>aren't
>i dont think we need to be as bad as they have been.... but we
>certainly need more courage of conviction.
>and we need to start strategizing beyond the election cycle

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Reeq
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299. "white house confirms ukraine transcript moved to codeword server."
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1177645345045647361
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"The White House is acknowledging for the first time that officials did direct the Ukraine call transcript be filed in a separate classified system."

https://t.co/FEw9aoXhTo
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crazy how the 'hearsay' in the whistleblower complaint keeps getting confirmed.

somebody seems to be throwing white house lawyers under the bus.

  

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304. "Also put calls with MBS and Putin in there"
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/white-house-restricted-trump-calls-putin-saudi/index.html

In the case of Trump's call with Prince Mohammed, officials who ordinarily would have been given access to a rough transcript of the conversation never saw one, according to one of the sources. Instead, a transcript was never circulated at all, which the source said was highly unusual, particularly after a high-profile conversation.

The call - which the person said contained no especially sensitive national security secrets -- came as the White House was confronting the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, which US intelligence assessments said came at the hand of the Saudi government.

With Putin, access to the transcript of at least one of Trump's conversations was also tightly restricted, according to a former Trump administration official.

  

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305. "nothing to see here (c)"
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307. "We've gotten to the ch*ld p*rn uploaded at Mar-a-lago part of the story"
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faster than I expected!

Can't even keep up with this shit now

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308. "somebody is clearly pissed off."
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its amazing how long/easy all of this stuff was kept under wraps.

  

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317. "nm"
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I'm not sure corruption can cast out corruption

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309. "trump told russians he didnt care about them interfering in election."
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this was in that 2017 meeting. i wonder if its just now coming out because someone is firing a shot across the bow that they know whats in that classified vault.
https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1177747103658823680

  

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310. "the dominoes are falling "
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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311. "you are doing the lord's work"
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updating this thread my man.

I know we don't always agree on *everything* but you updating us on this shit show is much appreciated because I can't keep up. And when I try, I get fucking stressed out lol


Any updates on the poll numbers of say...Collins? I gotta believe at the very least this shit is putting pressure on folks like her...

  

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314. "thx good brother."
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i havent seen anything on collins poll numbers. shes been straddling the fence on her whistleblower comments tho.

  

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315. "i want her to fukkin lose"
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>i havent seen anything on collins poll numbers.

i dont care if she catches the holy ghost or whatever.

i really hope we can get rid of her.

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316. "sameski."
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tired of her feigning ignorance just to toe the party line.

  

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322. "Serious question though:"
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(And let's preface this by acknowledging that we all know Trump is a criminal and should be impeached and prosecuted).

All that being said, are we making a credible case on the world stage when it comes to "meddling in elections"? The world is looking at us side-eyed - as they should - when we clutch our pearls at Russians looking to influence our elections, when we've literally done that almost 100 times over the past half-century:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0738894216661190

As a country we do have to do some self-reflection and acknowledge the double-standard.

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323. "LOL"
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>(And let's preface this by acknowledging that we all know
>Trump is a criminal and should be impeached and prosecuted).
>
>All that being said, are we making a credible case on the
>world stage when it comes to "meddling in elections"? The
>world is looking at us side-eyed - as they should - when we
>clutch our pearls at Russians looking to influence our
>elections, when we've literally done that almost 100 times
>over the past half-century:
>
>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0738894216661190
>
>As a country we do have to do some self-reflection and
>acknowledge the double-standard.
>
>-->


https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-told-russian-officials-he-was-unconcerned-by-moscows-election-interference-report

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324. "LOL serious question"
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345. "let's not even get into the irony of "navajo" in your name"
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blindly stanning for U.S. imperialism like this.

Have fun.

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326. "fam."
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332. "K. Guess we're all riding with Kissinger foreign policy now."
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337. "America is missing this part of its brain"
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>As a country we do have to do some self-reflection and
>acknowledge the double-standard.

Yeah, nobody's dipped into this pool as often and easily as us. Maybe most ironically (and egregiously... and disastrously) in Russia propping up Boris Yeltsin's campaign.

But people are apparently cool with us acting like shitheads globally. As long as it's with Bill Clinton's horny charm or Obama's regular-guy class. Manners matter more than outcomes.

______________________________

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340. "Right. It really cheapens the claims of outrage. "
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>Yeah, nobody's dipped into this pool as often and easily as
>us. Maybe most ironically (and egregiously... and
>disastrously) in Russia propping up Boris Yeltsin's campaign.

Ever since the CIA was formed, we've essentially made it a central piece of our foreign policy to meddle and tilt elections and install U.S. friendly leaders (even if they are outright dictators). If we aren't outraged at that, it's a bit cheap to feign outrage at something like this, unless I suppose you're a hard-line nationalist and just think America is the only place in the world that matters.

>But people are apparently cool with us acting like shitheads
>globally. As long as it's with Bill Clinton's horny charm or
>Obama's regular-guy class. Manners matter more than outcomes.

To add to that, the respective foreign policy strategies have essentially remained the same, regardless of administration. Impeachment is one of those issues that is almost wholly steered by partisan loyalty, and that's really unfortunate. What's even more unfortunate is the selective outrage at governments colluding and meddling in foreign elections.



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344. "We can break into houses all day but when ours gets broken into"
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That’s different.

At least that’s the way we are playing it.

As long as it gets Trump out I’m good with it.

Americans are hypocrites.. news at 11

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346. "basically."
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348. "Right."
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>RE: We can break into houses all day but when ours gets broken into
>That’s different.
>
>At least that’s the way we are playing it.
>
>As long as it gets Trump out I’m good with it.
>
>Americans are hypocrites.. news at 11

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350. "everyone knows our foreign policy is trash"
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like i don't get whats so revolutionary about pointing this out

the point is in your parenthesis tho.

we don't even get a chance to adjust our foreign policy lens until we deal w/this clown and all in his clown car.

and even after that, i don't have faith that any president will turn the whole ship around. at the very least, i want someone who isn't blatantly corrupt.

war mongers and meddlers are on both sides of the aisle, as well as imbedded into the way the CIA functions. *shrug*

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352. "well, clearly not *everyone* know this."
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There has been (and continues to be to this day) bi-partisan consensus to continue endless wars that yield disastrous results (both for our national security/prosperity and for the regions we destroy) - so there are significant majorities (even in the Democratic party) that don't acknowledge that our foreign policy is trash.

>like i don't get whats so revolutionary about pointing this
>out

Nothing - it's just common sense and acknowledging facts.

>the point is in your parenthesis tho.
>
>we don't even get a chance to adjust our foreign policy lens
>until we deal w/this clown and all in his clown car.

Agreed - but again - it makes it much more difficult to the make the case for impeachment (on the basis of meddling) when you have the entire foreign policy establishment (in both parties) engaging in meddling and foreign influence regularly.

>and even after that, i don't have faith that any president
>will turn the whole ship around. at the very least, i want
>someone who isn't blatantly corrupt.

Agreed - but it's sad that the bar is set this low.

>war mongers and meddlers are on both sides of the aisle, as
>well as imbedded into the way the CIA functions. *shrug*
>

Yet we don't really do a good job of identifying that in the Democratic party. Clinton was a NeoCon when it came to foreign affairs - and Biden/Warren are both either ignoring foreign policy or regurgitating the same old conventional talking points that fail to address the problem.

I think the main problem is that we've continually evaded the topic altogether in primaries and in political discussions, thinking it's just something that's either nor very important/urgent or something that will never change. That has yielded us the unfavorable result we are sitting in right now.


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394. "good lord LOLLLL"
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552. "America is full of smug & self righteous hypocrites "
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So, no.
Cuz if we really did compare this "russian meddling" to the shit we've done, we wouldn't call it "meddling"

  

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320. "list of whistleblower details that have been confirmed so far:"
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https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1178001610435366914

  

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321. "heres a graphic on the change in public opinion during watergate"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFbURWPVAAA0q-A.jpg

it started off with only 19% supporting impeachment and ended around 57% at the time of nixons resignation.

trump is already sitting at mid to high 40s% impeachment support in a lot of polls and we only had 1 public hearing (which brought about a double digit jump in net support impeachment in most polls).

  

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325. "back on their 'but her emails' bullshit! "
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what's the definition of insanity?

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327. "all i want in this world is a dem president"
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who is equally as partisan and vindictive as repubs are allowed to be.

seriously can we get just 1 dem president who hates the right and wants to use every instrument of power available against them?

its time to send them into the dust bin of history.

  

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328. "they gotta be trolling right?"
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https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/1177968132188774400

  

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329. "that's straight out of the Five Heartbeats"
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336. "I 100% think this is a good thing."
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I'm not mad at this. Sam Jackson explained it best. Them women might be the secret weapon. https://t.co/T7YqBsAPcp

  

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339. "RE: they gotta be trolling right?"
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DanRather/status/1178368254554718208

  

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331. "what's the lead?"
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trump did what? talked to foreign leaders? people hate trump and are breaking norms in hopes of snagging him

  

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341. "u mad"
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349. "and uninformed. a dangerous combination."
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354. "are you being serious?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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333. "333!"
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335. "So how much longer does white America have? 60 80 years max"
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Is my guess

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338. "I'm really trying to say is how is this country going to survive this?"
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This President is the worst person to have leading the country and there wasn't really a best to chose from. If he stays it's bad and if he's impeached it's bad.

Just a really sad situation. You want to believe things change but this president really makes one wonder if this is how it's always been as far as how people feel.

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342. "the president's tweeter feed is a fukkin mess, lol"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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353. "now Australia is involved..."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/us/politics/trump-australia-barr-mueller.html

- President Trump pushed the Australian prime minister over the phone to help Attorney General William Barr in an effort to discredit the Mueller inquiry, officials said.


- The White House restricted access to the transcript, an unusual decision similar to the handling of a Ukraine call at the heart of an impeachment inquiry.

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355. "things are rolling right along"
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the floodgates have opened.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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364. "Italy and Great Britain also"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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356. "He could have easily just not done any of this like a rational person"
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He just has to be so extra and fucks things up for himself for no reason. Why do republicans ride for this fucknut? He could just chill and do regular republican shit, but no.

Everyone who voted for him should be shipped off to live on the giant trash pile in the Pacific ocean. Or just launched into the sun. Whichever is cheaper and faster.

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358. "right"
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He probably could have just laid low and rode a "good economy" to re-election- or at least gotten close.

Instead he's out there shaking down other governments to discredit his "rivals"...

Hell, Biden (crosses fingers) might not even be the nominee.


And how he might not even be the GOP nominee.


It really is stupid watergate.


I have to imagine there are cracks breaking in the GOP wall. He's already bringing some party favorites down with him...

  

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359. "dude steps on every rake in front of him."
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which is why its so idiotic when people in the media try to portray him as some 'crazy like a fox' savvy political operator.

dude is facing a slowing economy, impeachment on the ukraine shit, etc...and he still has bill barr flying across the globe and chasing down mueller leads lol.

  

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361. "If there's one thing that Drumf likes to do, it's the same thing over & ..."
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He figures he won in 2016 because he was able to make Hilary appear crooked (with a nickname, even!), so he's sure the best way to beat Biden (should he be nominated) is by being able to call him "Crooked Joe." He's got a fucking facile mentality. As does everyone who voted for him.

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367. "he only thinks in terms of branding"
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Well, and racism etc- but that's his brand.


And he is always on brand.

  

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357. "anyone watch last week tonight?"
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the section on the ukranian PM was bizarre. theres actually video of him "playing" the piano with his uhm member

  

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360. "i havent seen it but dude is essentially if mr bean became pm of the uk."
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that entire story is wild.

  

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362. "the whistleblower/leaks just goes to show how cowardly"
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all these folks were that the media valorized as the 'adults in the room'. especially the generals like mcmaster, kelly, and mattis. they knew this shit (or various similar instances of corruption) were going on but chose to either stay silent or become active participants in suppressing it from review/exposure.

God bless that whistleblower mayne. cuz (s)he had an entire list of people they gathered information from/about that didnt have the courage to step forward.

  

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365. "and that they are 'patriots'"
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> especially the generals like mcmaster, kelly,
>and mattis. they knew this shit (or various similar instances
>of corruption) were going on but chose to either stay silent
>or become active participants in suppressing it from
>review/exposure.


we all know dude is utterly incompetent- we've seen it everyday
they have all just carried his water.

amazing

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366. "seriously all them dudes did was stop trump"
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from completely fucking up the republican agenda. these folks couldnt give a fuck about doing the right thing.

mattis could be speaking out right now and hes out hawking a damn book.

  

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363. "and pompeo was on the call with ukraine after playing dumb for a week."
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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1178780320872718338

https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1178781991187238912

seriously i dont even know what a country does when you have an entire major political party that is perfectly fine with *blatant* corruption like this.

  

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368. "i think their strategy is to commit SO many crimes/impeachable offenses"
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to overwhelm everybody, the old "They can't get us for any of the crimes if we commit ALL the crimes" gambit

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369. "Ah the old "They cant stop us all lets see dem aliens" defense"
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370. "Giuliani be on TV like"
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https://twitter.com/FluffyR6/status/1175644168351301634?s=20

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371. "Indestructible like Mr Burns."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0euMFAWF8

Honestly, I do think the sheer number of crimes has benefitted the Trump team. Not that it was part of any master plan. It just worked to their advantage. The more times they get accused of crimes (even if they're guilty), the more fatigue sets in and the less convincing it all becomes.

  

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372. "Definitely"
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although I do think Trump tweeting wild shit every Sunday to redirect from a Friday revelation was absolutely on purpose and worked like fucking gangbusters unfortunately

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373. "wtf was mueller doing for 18 months?"
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dude took almost 2 years basically just to verify shit that wapo, nytimes, wsj, etc reported.

  

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376. "In hindsight what a fucking cowardly disappointment he was."
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380. "that is such a dumb statement"
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387. "stfu"
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408. "lol"
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414. "^^^^^"
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491. "LOL :)~"
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381. "I disagree"
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His job was to investigate and that’s what he did. The report is extremely damaging, it’s just that the Republicans either didn’t read it or pretended not to. He also passed off multiple investigations. He was dealing with corrupt AG and a policy that says a sitting president cannot he indicted. He presented his findings, which most Americans chose not to read.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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388. "The report was DAMNING but hardly damaging IMO."
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45* admin and repugs came out of that largely unscathed.

That's a failure of dem leadership as well, to be sure. Maybe primarily so.

But Mueller & his team's refusal to more aggressively publicly push the fact-based narratives outlined in the report (i.e. his reticence about testifying) is IMO partly why it came and went with a whimper.

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409. "exactly...I can't believe folks are STILL fans of this dude"
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at least enough to defend him.


He should have, at the very least, recommended impeachment. Norms be damned.

If he was the "hero" he was made out to be, he would have.



>45* admin and repugs came out of that largely unscathed.


Right. Like you said, he was colluding the.next.day lol lol

>
>That's a failure of dem leadership as well, to be sure. Maybe
>primarily so.

This too.

>
>But Mueller & his team's refusal to more aggressively publicly
>push the fact-based narratives outlined in the report (i.e.
>his reticence about testifying) is IMO partly why it came and
>went with a whimper.

Yup. And as Reeq said below, being so soft on Trump...not demanding a face to face interview, etc.


Folks still defending this dude "he did all he could!..."he" being the rich, white, old, Republican FBI agent??? Folks defending him really confuse me.



  

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412. "ken starr briefed media almost daily during the clinton investigation."
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and constantly used the term 'guilty' in a completely fruitless investigation where the smoking gun ended up being some macguffin from a completely unrelated lawsuit about the presidents sex life.

meanwhile mueller stayed silent and let trump/repubs control the narrative for almost 2 years even up to the barr memo fiasco. and the only time his office spoke to the media was to shoot down scoops from liberal outlets like buzzfeed (which they never did to the crazy ass shit coming from fox news).

dude couldnt even spell out an obstruction of justice referral to congress in plain terms. just some ambiguous 'we arent saying he did it. but we arent saying he *didnt* do it either'.

repubs go all in on dems with every instrument they have available. meanwhile they suddenly discover a strict set of rules and decorum when it comes to holding high powered repubs accountable.

  

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418. "Ken Starr also had a different job."
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Starr was an independent counsel, so he didn't work for the justice department, and he didn't have to make decisions based on whether the justice department specifically should prosecute.

And after independent counsels had bedeviled both Democratic and Republican administrations, the statute was repealed.

I wish Mueller had treated his job with more leeway too. But in the end, he was working for Rod Rosenstein.

  

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420. "the special counsel (post 1999 expiration) still maintains"
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his own press/pr operation and has his own spokesperson(s) separate from even the office of special counsel (which maintains a degree of independence in this area too) and the doj.

if mueller wanted any information to get out there...he could have done it.

he could have done his *own* briefings.

thats not even to mention strategic leaks.

he def could speak to the press as a private citizen (barring confidentiality).

and even tho its up to the ag/dag to submit evidence to an impaneled grand jury for a potential indictment...special counsel can make a criminal referral (which ag/dag has to keep a record of accepting/declining to move forward with procedure for an indictment).

we saw exactly who mueller saw fit to seek criminal charges against and who he didnt...regardless of what the ag/dag decided to do in response.

bottom line is...if mueller wanted to control his narrative and attempt to damage trump politically or simply run a heavyhanded investigation like starr did with clinton...it was well within the letter of the law. all of the boy scout decorum (and press refutation double standards) was entirely his own call.

  

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422. "Yessah."
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>RE: the special counsel (post 1999 expiration) still maintains
>his own press/pr operation and has his own spokesperson(s)
>separate from even the office of special counsel (which
>maintains a degree of independence in this area too) and the
>doj.
>
>if mueller wanted any information to get out there...he could
>have done it.
>
>he could have done his *own* briefings.
>
>thats not even to mention strategic leaks.
>
>he def could speak to the press as a private citizen (barring
>confidentiality).
>
>and even tho its up to the ag/dag to submit evidence to an
>impaneled grand jury for a potential indictment...special
>counsel can make a criminal referral (which ag/dag has to keep
>a record of accepting/declining to move forward with procedure
>for an indictment).
>
>we saw exactly who mueller saw fit to seek criminal charges
>against and who he didnt...regardless of what the ag/dag
>decided to do in response.
>
>bottom line is...if mueller wanted to control his narrative
>and attempt to damage trump politically or simply run a
>heavyhanded investigation like starr did with clinton...it was
>well within the letter of the law. all of the boy scout
>decorum (and press refutation double standards) was entirely
>his own call.
>
>

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379. "huh? are you serious?"
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newspapers can report information but special prosecutors can PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL.

Manafort
Cohen
Gates
Flynn
Papadoloous
Stone
a grip of Russian Oligarghs
Butina

and many more people have faced legal consequences, indictmenets or jail time from Mueller's investigation

that may mean nothing to you, but i can guarantee it means something to those people

i'm not saying he's a hero...i'm saying lets not act like his work wasn't meaningful

and let's not forget, the white house was sabotaging him THE WHOLE TIME

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389. "Fair enough. But I don't think 45* suffered much from it."
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It may eventually hurt him considering what's come out since. But (with his obstructive DoJ/AG's help, of course) he came out mostly unscathed and in fact felt so emboldened that he went ahead and called up Ukraine the next day lol.




>newspapers can report information but special prosecutors can
>PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL.
>
>Manafort
>Cohen
>Gates
>Flynn
>Papadoloous
>Stone
>a grip of Russian Oligarghs
> Butina
>
>and many more people have faced legal consequences,
>indictmenets or jail time from Mueller's investigation
>
>that may mean nothing to you, but i can guarantee it means
>something to those people
>
>i'm not saying he's a hero...i'm saying lets not act like his
>work wasn't meaningful
>
>and let's not forget, the white house was sabotaging him THE
>WHOLE TIME
>
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407. "sis its all about the big fish"
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and mueller treated him with kid gloves (didnt even seek a face to face interview).

gave him and his family the benefit of doubt on countless occasions.

the guy who put the screws to enron, manuel noriega, john gotti, etc couldnt collar couldnt jam up the dumbest white collar criminal in modern who literally confessed to crimes on tv and social media?

if you wanna spin some sort of moral victory out of that then thats up to you.

could you imagine eliot ness bragging about his biggest catch being *ralph* capone?

  

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423. "Preach."
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RE: sis its all about the big fish
>and mueller treated him with kid gloves (didnt even seek a
>face to face interview).
>
>gave him and his family the benefit of doubt on countless
>occasions.
>
>the guy who put the screws to enron, manuel noriega, john
>gotti, etc couldnt collar couldnt jam up the dumbest white
>collar criminal in modern who literally confessed to crimes on
>tv and social media?
>
>if you wanna spin some sort of moral victory out of that then
>thats up to you.
>
>could you imagine eliot ness bragging about his biggest catch
>being *ralph* capone?

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492. "no doubt. like i said he's no hero "
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all of that you said is true. but what he did accomplish was still important, in my opinion even if it didn't net the big fish

we underestimate that there is alot we still don't know about why he punted ..we are all just seeing the tip of the iceberg of what trump and his mob did to intimidate people at every level of government

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383. "Nah"
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It was Pelosi(the same one getting praised for her skill) and mod Dems who did nothing after they got the House and the report.

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391. "Protecting Republicans and the Establishment, like he always does"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOoHy_7IYRw

Not sure why y'all stay acting brand new.

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393. "Pretty much."
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410. "yeah repubs ultimately look out for repubs."
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comey directly violated doj policy twice to publicly damage clinton despite no indictment (while hiding the existence of a trump campaign investigation).

rosenstein promised trump he would 'land the plane' (a term bill barr also used in a congressional hearing).

and mueller pursued a 'collusion' scope so narrow it did just enough to maintain the veneer of justice without irreparably harming his party or delegitimizing the election of the republican president (and calling into question the legitimacy of his legislation, appointments, judges, etc).

the doj/fbi has long been known as one of the most conservative institutions in government. they arent any less partisan than any other republicans. just a lot better at packaging it.

  

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415. "Conservatives be playing the LONG ball"
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while the dems are too busy seeking compromise

  

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421. "party above everything."
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440. "this is how i know most ppl dont know shit abt politics"
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when i see people trying to invoke morality and empathy into conservative decisions.

or trying to catch them up on some hypocrisy

if you REALLY knew how they think/ operate, none of that matters to them, like you said PARTY OVER EVERYTHING

to conservatives it really is sports
The Republicans are their favorite team
and they are gonna behave like an overweight factory worker sitting in front of the tv on football sunday

its maddening to see these political talk shows spend HOURS dissecting conservative views and talking points

such a waste of energy

  

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441. "100."
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424. "Scream it from the rooftops."
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But he did all he could tho !!!


>comey directly violated doj policy twice to publicly damage
>clinton despite no indictment (while hiding the existence of a
>trump campaign investigation).
>
>rosenstein promised trump he would 'land the plane' (a term
>bill barr also used in a congressional hearing).
>
>and mueller pursued a 'collusion' scope so narrow it did just
>enough to maintain the veneer of justice without irreparably
>harming his party or delegitimizing the election of the
>republican president (and calling into question the legitimacy
>of his legislation, appointments, judges, etc).
>
>the doj/fbi has long been known as one of the most
>conservative institutions in government. they arent any less
>partisan than any other republicans. just a lot better at
>packaging it.

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374. "Pompeo and Gorka's Excellent Adventure "
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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375. "This shit is bonkers"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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378. "How you should be feeling about all this (vid)"
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https://youtu.be/xiKrWUoTq4s?t=3m42s

I've been Kenan this whole presidency

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382. "LOL"
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So you're saying nothing will come from the Ukraine scandal and Trump will get re-elected ?

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384. "Yes, nothing will come from the Ukraine thing"
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Not ready to make a real prediction yet, but I'm leaning slightly towards a Trump re-election

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385. "If nothing comes of all of this, the 2020 election is (probably) doomed"
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States already cancelling primaries to protect him. All it takes is like 3 swing states to muck up the results in his favor and there will be no path to clean it up.

GT: SoulGatherer

  

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386. "One thing that likely comes of the Ukraine thing..."
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is that he gets acquitted by the Senate right in the middle of the general election. He declares victory, the media goes off with a flurry of stories about how we 'overreached,' at the worst possible time, and it all helps his reelection.

People are being wildly optimistic about how things work in the US. You'd think we'd all have learned by now.

  

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390. "It's weird agreeing with you lol"
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>
>is that he gets acquitted by the Senate right in the middle of
>the general election. He declares victory, the media goes off
>with a flurry of stories about how we 'overreached,' at the
>worst possible time, and it all helps his reelection.
>
>People are being wildly optimistic about how things work in
>the US. You'd think we'd all have learned by now.

All of these prisoner of the moment polls that show the country is "more supportive than ever for impeachment!" are misguided. Let's see how this holds up in 6/12 months - because that's what really matters when it comes to facing another 4 years of this madness. And if we just focus on impeachment leading up to 2020, what happens when it inevitably fails in the Senate and we have to go back to campaigning and building a proactive, positive alternative messaging to Trump?

I can't believe that so many continually have this undying faith in our institutions and that they'll get this one right. Should Trump be impeached? Absolutely. Should we throw all of our eggs in the impeachment basket and focus on it with singular obsession (as is happening right now)? Absolutely not.


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392. "I don't really think candidates *are* throwing all their eggs .."
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... in the impeachment basket.

If their social media presence is to be taken as representative of their overall campaigning I've still seen Warren, Sanders, and Biden all talking about policies and focusing on 2020 moreso than impeachment alone over the last couple of weeks.

I think maybe the *public* is primarily focused on impeachment for the time being, but as you touched on I think that as time goes on the fervor will die down a bit and the regular 2020 discourse will continue, barring major news on the impeachment front.

I still have no doubt that dems will fuck this impeachment thing up - but I'm not declaring doomsday for 2020 just yet.

And again, really, what choice did they have ? It was either (a) open up the impeachment investigation to finally, at long last, confront the many crimes of this admin and repugs at large, or (b) focus only on 2020, which would in that case be inevitably corrupted/tainted because the crimes to influence said election were never addressed.

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396. "Right. And people are overblowing what Senate acquittal would do"
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He's going to declare victory either.way.


If the Dems continued to sit on their collective asses, he would declare "witch hunt" and take credit for everything from the economy to the eradication of polio.

He will "declare victory" no matter what.


1. The senate giving him a pass will only fire up the left more and drive turnout even higher- especially for senate races.


2. This idea that Trump "vindication" would swing "moderates" to him because the Dems over-reached is fucking laughable. So these mythical reasonable moderates wouldn't understand that the GOP just didn't want to convict their own guy? Word?


3. Dems investigating/impeaching a clearly corrupt admin is somehow more radical than...Trump calling for civil war and his enemies to be arrested??


Damn...these moderates must only want "civility" and "bipartisanship" from one party. How convenient.


4. That's assuming that those mythical moderates even exist-

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-moderate-middle-is-a-myth/


5. Trump and his team clearly aren't ready for this. He's wildin out...


>... in the impeachment basket.
>
>If their social media presence is to be taken as
>representative of their overall campaigning I've still seen
>Warren, Sanders, and Biden all talking about policies and
>focusing on 2020 moreso than impeachment alone over the last
>couple of weeks.

Yep. And as far as Warren, her underlying theme for the election has been getting rid of Washington corruption.

She can easily tie it all together.


>
>I think maybe the *public* is primarily focused on impeachment
>for the time being, but as you touched on I think that as time
>goes on the fervor will die down a bit and the regular 2020
>discourse will continue, barring major news on the impeachment
>front.

This too. Its been a week. And clearly (right or wrong) the Dems want to move quickly.

>
>I still have no doubt that dems will fuck this impeachment
>thing up - but I'm not declaring doomsday for 2020 just yet.

Yeah, I'm not going to call 2020 or understimate Trump. But holding him accountable is not "bad" for the Dems.

Imagine seeing how the last week has gone, how quickly the polls moved, how much other wild shit has come out, etc and saying

"the dems shouldn't have done this"

>
>And again, really, what choice did they have ? It was either
>(a) open up the impeachment investigation to finally, at long
>last, confront the many crimes of this admin and repugs at
>large, or (b) focus only on 2020, which would in that case be
>inevitably corrupted/tainted because the crimes to influence
>said election were never addressed.

I think certain folks are missing this- maybe even willingly.

The choice wasn't "impeach or not"

It was "impeach or continue to let Trump get away with all this crazy shit"

Option B not only sets a terrible precedent, but it makes it look like Dems must not think its all that bad.


And most importantly, its terrible for turnout on the left. If Dems did absolutely nothing with the power voters gave them- especially after this week- how many people would just throw their hands up and stay the fuck home?

How would donations dry up?

Etc.

Dems literally had no choice.


And there's plenty of time for 2020. Not sure how "its too early to put faith in impeachment polls" and, at the same time "we're running out of time to put forth a message"...

If its true Dems want this wrapped up by the end of the year, then there's clearly plenty of time for 2020 to take over the news cycle.


  

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397. "This for sure."
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>Imagine seeing how the last week has gone, how quickly the
>polls moved, how much other wild shit has come out, etc and
>saying
>
>"the dems shouldn't have done this"

To be fair, I don't really think that's what Vex was saying necessarily. But many people certainly are.

It's insane.


>I think certain folks are missing this- maybe even willingly.
>
>The choice wasn't "impeach or not"
>
>It was "impeach or continue to let Trump get away with all
>this crazy shit"
>
>Option B not only sets a terrible precedent, but it makes it
>look like Dems must not think its all that bad.
>
>
>And most importantly, its terrible for turnout on the left.
>If Dems did absolutely nothing with the power voters gave
>them- especially after this week- how many people would just
>throw their hands up and stay the fuck home?
>
>How would donations dry up?
>
>Etc.
>
>Dems literally had no choice.
>
>
>And there's plenty of time for 2020. Not sure how "its too
>early to put faith in impeachment polls" and, at the same time
>"we're running out of time to put forth a message"...
>
>If its true Dems want this wrapped up by the end of the year,
>then there's clearly plenty of time for 2020 to take over the
>news cycle.

Yea and I can't stress enough how vital it is that we hammer home the fact that THE CRIMES ARE LITERALLY ALL AIMED AT INFLUENCING THE 2020 ELECTION IN TRUMP'S FAVOR.

I mean that has to be the most important part of the discourse around why the Dems had no choice but to act, especially when discussing this with folks who are of the opinion that Dems should be focused on 2020 rather than impeachment. Impeachment *IS* a focus on 2020. The two things are inextricably tied because the crimes aim to corrupt the election.

In other words you can't be against impeachment based at all on the belief that Dems need to focus their efforts on 2020, because impeachment IS about 2020.

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399. "One thing that likely comes of the Ukraine thing...Biden is the nominee"
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Should be evident...I hope...this 'impeachment' is to protect Biden's nomination...and the donor class he represents

Emoluments
Racism
Xenephobia
Family Separation
Child detention
Muslim ban
Obstruction of justice
Etc...

alladat was A Okay for Pelosi

But a few months before the fist primary

...a call to investigate potential corruption by Biden...

= IMPEACH.

Another interesting point...where the fuck is Biden in defense of his son?

If that was Beau...

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400. "lol what ?"
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>Should be evident...I hope...this 'impeachment' is to protect
>Biden's nomination...and the donor class he represents
>

>
>But a few months before the fist primary
>
>...a call to investigate potential corruption by Biden...
>
>= IMPEACH.
>\

So the whistle blower is in on it ? He's helping protect Biden and the donor class.

>Another interesting point...where the fuck is Biden in defense
>of his son?
>
>If that was Beau...

Biden can't defend himself, trying to defend his son will be worst.

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401. "Pay him no mind."
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Dude rambles mindlessly like 45* most of the time.

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403. "Great post...would read again"
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Just like Trumpster, whenever someone posts counter points

You attack the messenger

3 years of impeachable offenses

Why now?

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406. ""I know you are but what am I ?!?" © bentagain"
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>Just like Trumpster, whenever someone posts counter points
>
>You attack the messenger

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402. "No...Pelosi is."
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It's been rumored...the donor class will support Trumpster if Warren or Sanders are the nominee

As I indicated, this is not about justice or the rule of law

It's about maintaining the status quo

All of those impeachable offenses were Okay with Pelosi

Once the attack turned to a D elite = IMPEACH

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430. "Unfortunately this is prolly true. "
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I hate it and I also hate how folks on here are so damn optimistic. Like they don’t know how this country gets down.

I hope we are wrong and they are right this time.

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432. "RNC raised $125M in the 3rd quarter"
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Zuckerburg threatened to sue if Warren wins and tries to break up FB.

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439. "Nah "
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>It's been rumored...the donor class will support Trumpster if
>Warren or Sanders are the nominee
>
>As I indicated, this is not about justice or the rule of law
>
>It's about maintaining the status quo
>
>All of those impeachable offenses were Okay with Pelosi
>
>Once the attack turned to a D elite = IMPEACH


That's the reason I asked if the whistle blower is in on it. The impeachment is based on the wb. If Nancy wanted to protect the donor class she didn't have to wait for this scandal.

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404. "This is a good point that most aren't getting:"
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>Emoluments
>Racism
>Xenephobia
>Family Separation
>Child detention
>Muslim ban
>Obstruction of justice
>Etc...
>
>alladat was A Okay for Pelosi
>
>But a few months before the fist primary
>
>...a call to investigate potential corruption by Biden...
>
>= IMPEACH.

Not to mention the egregious war crimes when Trump obstructed the will of Congress (who historically voted to end U.S. Aid for the Saudi-led genocide in Yemen).

Trump BEEN should've been impeached. So why now? The Ukraine call is horrifying example of Presidential abuse #14568.

And even if we agree to impeach him, do we have faith that our institutions will actually carry out the impeachment in a fair and just manner?

  

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405. "R Senate delayed a supreme court nomination for over a year "
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McConnell gave every indication that would be the strategy if there is a trial

Folks getting hyped for a yuge let down IMO.

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435. "1 year since Khashoggi was murdered by MBS "
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395. "Yeah this is where I'm at with it"
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Im not that excited about it. Ive been done thinking that anything he did was going to have any meaningful consequences. Wake me up when this MF is no longer president. I hope thats not going to be another 4 years, but we never thought there was a chance in hell he'd be elected in the first place.

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398. "I love it. This lets me know Trump is not CIA, NSA or FBI affiliated"
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411. "pompeo tried to play tough guy lol."
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tried to stonewall the inquiry and prevent state dept officials from talking to congress
https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1179040138292105216

but uh...
https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1179145213559951362

the state ig briefing sounds like it could be particularly damning
https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1179158728031035392

  

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413. "pelosi *and* schiff to hold a press conference tomorrow"
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https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1179173387924578309

rumor is oversight dems were just tipped off to something by a state dept employee. could be related to whatever the state dept ig called the urgent briefing for.

  

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425. "Can't Pompeo be arrested ?"
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>tried to stonewall the inquiry and prevent state dept
>officials from talking to congress
>https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1179040138292105216
>
>but uh...
>https://twitter.com/rachaelmbade/status/1179145213559951362
>
>the state ig briefing sounds like it could be particularly
>damning
>https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1179158728031035392

I love this tho. State reps like uhhhh fuck this clown show shit lol.

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429. "So many people could be arrested for contempt/obstruction. "
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The question is what happens when we go down that road.


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431. "Yea, right right."
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416. "sidenote: the head of dhs says he has lost control of his own agency"
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https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1179164516749398017

everything seems to be going fine for our govt.

well-oiled machine (c) trump

  

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417. "white house upgraded codeword system to track/minimize leaks."
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unintentionally it serves as a record of people involved coverups lol.

(read whole thread)
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1179116028321763330

  

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419. "poll: only 40% of repubs believe trump talked about investigating biden"
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in his conversations with the president of ukraine.

this is something that trump has admitted to, released a textual record of doing, and has since deployed all of his allies to normalize.
https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1179180647627124736

its not even in dispute. its the 1 central favor he asked for.

how does a country even move forward when a large slice of its population lives in an information bubble that thick?

add this to the fact that facebook (where 50% of our country goes for their news) says its official policy is to allow politicians to lie and spread misinformation/propaganda.
https://twitter.com/TechCrunch/status/1176592051724529664

  

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426. "Republicans are trash."
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428. "I mean polls can't be taken at face value like this."
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What those people are really saying is that they will stand by Trump no matter what.


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427. "Here's a blog for analytical impeachment coverage for those interested."
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My attorney friend recommended this to me; it's geared toward lawyers generally but is written so it's accessible to anyone who wants this type of deep dive into certain subjects/certain aspects of the impeachment situation. From what I've read thus far it's really good and informative.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/

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433. "savvy move by pelosi to get dc media to tune into her press conference"
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then hit em with the bait and switch and talk about the dem legislative agenda.

with that said...she should let schiff handle all press and public appearances. hes a much better speaker and does a better job at stringing together a message without fumbling around with the words.

he also comes off like an even handed (relatively) objective investigator making determinations according to fact.

  

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434. "Yea was just talking about both these things with my friend."
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>RE: savvy move by pelosi to get dc media to tune into her press conference
>then hit em with the bait and switch and talk about the dem
>legislative agenda.

It was a nice little subtle shot at Moscow Mitch and his refusal to fucking do anything but obstruct and delay.


>with that said...she should let schiff handle all press and
>public appearances. hes a much better speaker and does a
>better job at stringing together a message without fumbling
>around with the words.
>
>he also comes off like an even handed (relatively) objective
>investigator making determinations according to fact.

Ha yea we discussed this as well. For all her political savviness she is terrible at public speaking. Schiff needs to handle that going forward. He's great and strikes me as the assassin type who's going to blow this whole thing wide open (open-er than it already is, I guess) once he's got everything lined up.

I hope I'm not wrong about that. I have a lot of confidence in him. A lot more than I have in Schumer.

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436. "schumer looks like he is ready to pack it in."
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493. "folks stay underestimating her tho lol"
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and who cares if he's "better at speaking"...thats part of why this country is in the shit its in..we care more about how shit "looks" or "comes off" than the SUBSTANCE of what is being said and who is saying it.



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437. "one of the underrated short term benefits to an impeachment inquiry"
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is that its making trump completely lose his shit and increase the odds of impeachment.

that press conference with finland dude was insane.

  

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438. "The entire thing is unraveling."
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I want to be clear that I'm still not confident the guy is ever actually removed from office, but considering all the leaks coming out now, and the obvious unraveling/mental breakdowns of 45*/Rudy/et al the last two weeks, the inquiry is more than worth it.

Did anyone see Rudy's texts about "Trump vs. the Swamp" ? I'll try and find the article I saw. The WH correspondent for The Atlantic texted Rudy and basically just asked "what do you plan to do now" to which he responded that he's going to file a lawsuit. She followed up asking basically "a lawsuit against who" and his response was literally:

"the swamp"
"Trump vs. the Swamp"

The man is unwell.

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448. "i saw someone tweet 'the people vs larry swamp' lol."
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442. "Wait, isn't that press conference about to happen? "
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EDIT Nevermind my bad. Its insane how fast this is moving so I missed this mornings impromptu presser and thought you meant the one he's doing right now.

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446. "yeah i meant the 1st sitdown joint."
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the official junket wasnt much better tho.

  

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443. "omg..its awesome watching this bastard unravel in front of the world"
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452. "it really is"
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444. "Shifty Shift, corrupt CNN, bright eyed n bushy tailed"
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445. "Two weeks in this, no inquiry yet, and he's already coming apart"
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This dipshit isn't built for any bit of adversity. Reminds me of that one week during the Republican primaries where Ben Carson was beating him in the polls, and he was losing in his mind over it during his rallies.

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450. "RE: Two weeks in this, no inquiry yet, and he's already coming apart"
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>This dipshit isn't built for any bit of adversity. Reminds me
>of that one week during the Republican primaries where Ben
>Carson was beating him in the polls, and he was losing in his
>mind over it during his rallies.

and then he rolled over Carson and the entire Republican field.

Let's not once again underestimate Casino Mussolini's resolve in a sick society.


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447. "trump and pence teams are leaking on each other."
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https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1179516993579425797

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1179515040040411137

i wouldnt be surprised if trump outright throws pence under the bus in broad daylight.

  

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451. "yeah. its over."
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453. "3 *republican* senators sent letter to ukraine echoing biden."
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https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1179758959034605568
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NEW: A letter sent to Ukraine's president, signed by three GOP senators, in February 2016 urged changes in the prosecutor general's office.

The letter shows there was bi-partisan support for it at the time, undermining Trump's claims of a quid pro quo.

https://t.co/bIv9WQy8fr
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so republican senators (along with the rest of the modernized world) were pushing for what biden was pushing for.

they have no other talking points after this.

this has to be one of the dumbest political hit jobs in history. especially when you consider they dragged trump into impeachment over someone who might not even be the democratic nominee. they prolly did democrats a favor by making sure another (stronger) candidate rises from bidens ashes.

  

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454. "this keeps getting wilder each day"
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or every few hours

i still dont know what it will result in but the madness is overwhelming

  

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460. "https://media.giphy.com/media/lTB6FKY1fmAZhhv1En/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/lTB6FKY1fmAZhhv1En/giphy.gif


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>i still dont know what it will result in but the madness is
>overwhelming

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456. "Trump on Thursday: China should investigate the Bidens"
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lmao

Classic Trump. Does something dumb and stubbornly doubles down on it thinking hes saving face. Guy lets out a wet fart and then shits his pants out of principle.

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457. "Ha but it's working/has always worked for him."
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In this case he's trying to normalize it like he's done so many other things. And who knows, everything else has worked for him for damn near half a century to this point so why would it change now.

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459. "If he does it out in the open, then it can't be bad"
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That's a common theme with this admin.

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458. "house minority leader mccarthy calls for pelosi to suspend inquiry."
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https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1179787529324830722
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https://t.co/KvJvCZuZVX
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remember when the dc cocktail class was telling us that trump wanted an impeachment spectacle and it would help him with re-election because he would have a foil to play the victim against?

these niggas are scared shitless about whats about to come out (as if what we already know isnt bad enough).

  

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461. "the amount of noise is concerning "
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I'm worried Dems aren't effectively controlling the message here.

I could be missing something though.


Have they made it clear (enough?) that an investigation into the Ukraine call is basically a process of getting details and possible other instances, because Trump confessed to the crime when he released the transcript?

In other words, I'm worried people out there will get confused.


He did that shit. He admitted to doing it. Now, he he did it again on TV.


That's illegal. And he confessed.


Are the Dems doing a good job saying that and I am just missing it?

I'm worried the message has turned into "we are conducting an investigation to get to the bottom of the facts on the Ukraine call"...when he already admitted to it.




  

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462. "the waters are kinda muddy but i do see dems saying that."
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maybe not exactly in unison like repubs. but people like max rose (who just came on board), claire mccaskill, and a bunch of journalists/commentators have said things along those lines in the few shows ive tuned into.

schiff is fucking up a little bit on some unnecessary shit tho. first the sensationalized/embellished version of the conversation at the hearing. then him misrepresenting any contact he or his staff/committee might have had with the whistleblower. not necessarily big deals in the grand scheme of things...but unenforced errors that have given repubs the few openings they have on this thing.

all in all...dems still need to improve on their messaging strategies and learn how to speak in bumper stickers. this was truly a game changer in a lot of ways and i dont wanna see them fumble it.

one way that the tables have turned from the russia situation tho...repubs are trying to argue along the minor details that most people dont really pay attention to (like dems did during the mueller investigation) and dems have the big solid red phone call talking point (with the president directly involved) that everyone understands.

the press largely seems to have unplugged their heads from their asses on this one too. theyve been skewering repubs on tv and consistently debunking their talking points. i think trumps biggest mistake might have been going after biden. because the political press loves the biden and mccain types. and biden even had like a 30% approval with *republicans*. whatever we think about him on here...biden is well-liked and well-respected across the board.

  

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463. "The murky messaging has always been my biggest issue "
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and part of the reason I was playing devil's advocate

No one in here seems able to address the obvious defenses

But, for example, with the Clinton impeachment

Perjury is very cut and dry

This spectacle just keeps growing tentacles

and speaking for myself, I've already tired of the coverage

2 big mistakes made already

Limiting the inquiry to just Ukraine

and playing this out in the media.

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466. "What ?"
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>and part of the reason I was playing devil's advocate
>
>No one in here seems able to address the obvious defenses
>
>But, for example, with the Clinton impeachment
>
>Perjury is very cut and dry
>
>This spectacle just keeps growing tentacles
>
>and speaking for myself, I've already tired of the coverage
>
>2 big mistakes made already
>
>Limiting the inquiry to just Ukraine
>
>and playing this out in the media.

All this was just "devil's advocate" ? The climate coverage vs Ukraine scandal ? Pelosi trying to protect the donor class.

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469. "LOL. If I had half a penny everytime someone responded ..."
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"what ?!" or any similar display of bewilderment to a bentagain post I'd be a billionaire.


>>and part of the reason I was playing devil's advocate
>>
>>No one in here seems able to address the obvious defenses
>>
>>But, for example, with the Clinton impeachment
>>
>>Perjury is very cut and dry
>>
>>This spectacle just keeps growing tentacles
>>
>>and speaking for myself, I've already tired of the coverage
>>
>>2 big mistakes made already
>>
>>Limiting the inquiry to just Ukraine
>>
>>and playing this out in the media.
>
>All this was just "devil's advocate" ? The climate coverage vs
>Ukraine scandal ? Pelosi trying to protect the donor class.

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472. "lol"
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>"what ?!" or any similar display of bewilderment to a
>bentagain post I'd be a billionaire.
>
>


You called it up above.

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479. "So, in addition to being unable to have a constructive exchange..."
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You're also really bad at math.

Reads reply 468...hmmm...so you agree the messaging is not being hammered home

But are only able to offer me replies of...

What!?
LOL
ZOMG
Zoinks
GeeWillikers


Thanks for the input.

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482. "My dude it's been said more than once ..."
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... by me and multiple others that you are all over the place, rendering a "constructive conversation" all but impossible. Hence why 85% of responses to your posts is some variation of "uhhh what ?!"

Work on that.

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480. "Nah, protecting Biden and the donor class he represents is a legit"
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motive for the 'impeachment' by Pelosi

Wasn't really an opinion

As posted, RNC raised $125M in Q3

and this is the latest Warren campaign email blast

"re: Mark Zuckerberg

Team Warren

to me
14 minutes ago

Back in February, Elizabeth announced her plan to break up Big Tech and limit the undue influence that tech companies have on our democracy and spread of information. 

And as we've seen in the past couple of days, Mark Zuckerberg is not happy — and he's promising to "go to the mat" and fight to maintain Facebook's monopoly if she's elected. 

It's clear: Silicon Valley billionaires are willing to sell out our democracy to protect their riches. 

Under a Warren Administration, tech companies like Facebook won't have the power to undermine our democracy. Elizabeth will enforce antitrust rules that have been on the books for decades, promote healthy competition so that tech companies are accountable to consumers, and make sure that no tech company has the ability to exploit our private information for profit."

I expect Biden to start trending back up in this circus

...even while fumbling at every step...

IDK if she'll get the Bernie treatment from the party...but they'll let her get comfortable in the backseat while Biden front runs.

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468. "No they're doing a pretty poor job, as expected."
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I think on social media they're out there talking about it but they should have people all over the airwaves screaming it like repugs do about conspiracies.

I agree that they're not controlling the message well, but that's par for the course.

I'm just hoping this is such a slam dunk (not saying they remove him from office, but expose his crimes in hearings etc.) that the messaging controls itself after this week and next.

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494. "people forget that in a true democracy, there's no perfect alignment"
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we always giving the GOP props for having 1 voice, but sorry, that isn't democracy

the Trump admin is defacto evidence of that

its ok if the Dems aren't all doing/saying things in exactly the same way...diversity of opinion and approach is a GOOD THING

neat and tidy is authoritarian at its core

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495. "? that doesn't apply here"
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>we always giving the GOP props for having 1 voice, but sorry,
>that isn't democracy
>
>the Trump admin is defacto evidence of that
>
>its ok if the Dems aren't all doing/saying things in exactly
>the same way...diversity of opinion and approach is a GOOD
>THING
>
>neat and tidy is authoritarian at its core
>
>d

No one is expecting Dems to have 1 voice on everything like the GOP.

And certainly no one is advocating for anything authoritarian.


All I'm saying is that they need to be clear that he committed the crime and he confessed to it.

Then he did it again on TV.


You don't need to get so defensive over every critique of the Dems lol

We all want the same thing. Trump held accountable. Being clear on why he should be would only help that.

  

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587. "first of all"
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>You don't need to get so defensive over every critique of the
>Dems lol

don't psychoanalyze me and don't insult my intelligence. I debate ideas and DO NOT carry a flag for the Democratic Party. They are not NEARLY left leaning enough for my tastes. Thanks.

>We all want the same thing. Trump held accountable. Being
>clear on why he should be would only help that.

Exactly. I can want that and STILL debate ideas that I don't agree with.

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464. "i shouldnt still be amazed by the cognitive dissonance on the right"
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but i still cant over how repub voters dont see trump is blatantly full of shit.

dude is ranting and screaming about hunter biden profiting off his dad being in office.

the trump kids are doing the same. right today. out in the open. and posting it all over social media.

fam im not even exaggerating when i say im not sure what percentage of this country still has the clinical definition of a functioning brain.

  

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465. "RE: i shouldnt still be amazed by the cognitive dissonance on the right"
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You are expecting them to back down and break into a mea culpa all at once?

Their brains are functioning fine. It’ll be a while before we see them eat the crow, if at all

>but i still cant over how repub voters dont see trump is
>blatantly full of shit.
>
>dude is ranting and screaming about hunter biden profiting off
>his dad being in office.
>
>the trump kids are doing the same. right today. out in the
>open. and posting it all over social media.
>
>fam im not even exaggerating when i say im not sure what
>percentage of this country still has the clinical definition
>of a functioning brain.

  

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470. "It's often really hard to see through all the fog but ..."
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>but i still cant over how repub voters dont see trump is
>blatantly full of shit.
>
>dude is ranting and screaming about hunter biden profiting off
>his dad being in office.
>
>the trump kids are doing the same. right today. out in the
>open. and posting it all over social media.
>
>fam im not even exaggerating when i say im not sure what
>percentage of this country still has the clinical definition
>of a functioning brain.

... when I do think about the last 3 years on a macro level I'm blown away by how quickly everything went to total shit.

Obama was imperfect but for 8 years I felt like the country was finally, after 200+ years, moving in the right direction in so many ways and progressing.

Now this. Holy fuck.

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474. "People still fly confederate flags 150 years later"
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They have no problem being loud and wrong. They relish it. I bet youll see people wearing trump shit 20 years from now too.

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497. "MAGA would be the latest Heritage not Hate"
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Those red hats aren't going anywhere

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475. "They don't care about any of that. Which is why focusing on "
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defeating him next year is the first best solution. There will be no appeals to their decency or any of that: they back him precisely because he drives us crazy. It's a deliberate finger in the eye to the rest of us. Taking back the Rust Belt in 2020 is the only way to get rid of him (impeachment isn't going to go anywhere - they've dug in their heels).

  

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476. "I do wonder if things would shift even a little if some more GOP"
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reps/politicians/whatever spoke out more strongly.


I mean, probably not. But look what happened to even Dem feelings on impeachment once Pelosi was on board.


That isn't to say if some GOP politicians actually grew a spine that the GOP voters would completely turn on Trump.

But I do wonder how the numbers would change. Maybe that 40% dips to 30 or whatever.

Like how many dumb motherfuckers are out there thinking shit like "well, if it was really bad I'm sure Romney/Collins/whoever would speak up..." or whatever.


In other words, I think opinion can be shaped by the actual actions of the reps more than they want to admit.

Basically, I reject the notion that reps (on either side) can't lead and influence polls, rather than just follow them.

  

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483. "Yea this is it right here."
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>In other words, I think opinion can be shaped by the actual
>actions of the reps more than they want to admit.
>
>Basically, I reject the notion that reps (on either side)
>can't lead and influence polls, rather than just follow them.

They're supposed to be "leaders" but - Dems especially - end up following the wave of public opinion (which, as we know, is mostly ignorant) rather than setting the tone, leading the conversation, commanding the narrative.

It's infuriating.

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477. "how repub voters dont see trump is blatantly full of shit"
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2 main reasons

1. to start, conservatives have a very small circle of trusted news sources and information. to conservatives, anything outside of that circle of trust is unreliable, fake, or skewed. they’ve been this way years before Trump showed up, he just tapped into that belief system, capitalized off it, legitimized it, and in the process magnified it within their culture.

2. conservatives are also less likely than liberals to seek alternative views in an effort to reach an unbiased opinion. this is mostly because of reason number 1. they already lack empathy, so the practice of trying to understand different points of view in an effort to learn is a bizarre concept and waste of time.

Conservative voters are like North Koreans. they think everywhere we get our news from is propaganda.

  

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478. "It's not cognitive dissonance- most Republicans are plain liars"
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Don't give them any benefit - they've shown over and voer and over that the jsut lie to get an advantage.

The secret is: they want to be Trump themselves - like 90% of them.

Don't believe me, look here:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
Setp 16-30
Donald Trump Job Approval by Party Identification
Republican - 87%
Independents - 36%
Democrats - 5%

Republicans are lairs - they respect use of power and they care 0% about fairness.

They are also pussies.

(At least 90% of them are at all times.)

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554. "they're more concerned about protecting thier interests than "
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looking "right".
Liberals should learn to do the same.

  

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467. "how many smoking guns are we gonna get? (new text messages)"
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https://twitter.com/alex_mallin/status/1179831201315598337
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https://t.co/NGaS20t717
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literally everybody knew what was going on and openly discussed it with each other. but trump/repubs continue to shamelessly lie about it. the media needs to have a serious discussion about how the central political identity trait of the republican party is lying.

  

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471. "LOL"
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473. "& then the envoy to the EU says "let's take this off text I disagree""
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like that's not suspicious at all!

anytime I tell someone to stop texting, I'm doing dirt

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481. "i'm just really surprised tax returns haven't leaked yet"
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i dont know if that's supposed to give me confidence in the IRS systems (positive outlook)
or if this is just more evidence that there is an entire system motivated to protect this man (realistic outlook)

either way.
the meltdown and tantrum would be epic *if* these returns were leaked.

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484. "Agreed. I'ma try and find the article but I thought I saw something ..."
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... earlier about another whistleblower bringing up some shady shit about his tax returns/the IRS. Pence involved too.

I didn't read it just saw the headline but now I gotta find where I saw it. If I find it I'll be back.

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486. "Here it is: IRS WB"
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Sorry for the shitty link.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/irs-whistleblower-said-to-report-treasury-political-appointee-might-have-tried-to-interfere-in-audit-of-trump-or-pence/2019/10/03/0c768b34-e52e-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

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485. "Trump done"
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Even if he could survive this, no way can the GOP run him after all this.

  

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487. "he's done... but not because of the GOP"
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the GOP seems to have decided to stick with him through hook and crook.
its pretty bizarre.

he's done because he wont get re-elected - i don't think he has the numbers.

but this is america.
so that's not a prediction

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488. "Unfortunately, the Electoral College gives him a shot"
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Even though he has broken some of those flyover red states with his tariffs, they still love him.


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489. "I really want to someday find out what the hell happened here."
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>the GOP seems to have decided to stick with him through hook
>and crook.
>its pretty bizarre.

Repugnantcans have always been total trash, to be sure. But in 2015 and into 2016 they were vehemently anti-Trump, at least the Grahams and Romneys of the world, et al.

And now they're all fully on board even though it would obviously be pretty easy to jump ship *right now*. What happened ? What does he have on these fucking cowards ?

I mean reading the tweets from Graham in 2015 and 2016 is hysterical/pathetic. And others as well.

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490. "and here we are still searching for the elusive republican.."
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...that has read the constitution.


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496. "Let's focus!!"
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We CANNOT get too excited and think this is it.....even with the meltdown and all. We can't expect justice when those that are suppose to deliver are criminal themselves. #45 is literally the 'teflon don', pun intended.

The energy #45 and this administration has tapped into is a nasty and ugly one so we can't expect to appeal to their greater good. Their hearts are corrupt with evil intentions; and what's worse is that they don't see themselves as evil, they see it as just 'survival of the fittest'.

1. We need to focus on winning the upcoming election.

2. We need to make sure Russia doesn't fuck our shit up again.

  

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498. "**raises hand**"
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can we get a new post?
too much scrolling

  

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499. "oh look. a republican senator was told about the quid pro quo in august"
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by a top diplomat.

https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/1180174953532002304
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NEWS: GOP Sen. Ron Johnson tells WSJ that the U.S. ambassador to the EU told him in August that the status of aid to Ukraine was tied to Trump’s interest in having Kiev investigate certain matters. Johnson confronted Trump, who denied it. w/@siobhanehughes

https://t.co/GPLBKsc9rm
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that just happened to be the same diplomat who said there was no quid pro in the leaked texts (obviously a move to cover his/trumps ass in the convo). so johnson just destroyed that right wing talking point.

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1180247711104282625
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Gordon Sondland, the ambassador to the EU, is scheduled to testify Tuesday. He's the official who told a U.S. diplomat there were "no quid pro quo’s of any kind." But Sen. Ron Johnson told the WSJ that Sondland said the aid release was contingent on investigations Trump wanted.
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the only reason johnson is admitting it is because he knows theres a record of it somewhere and he will be firmly in the crosshairs soon. this shit in unraveling pretty quick. its hard for repubs to deny everything when one of their own senators was made aware of it.

not that i put anything past them.

johnson himself said he was cool with biden being investigated for pushing the ukrainian prosecutor to step down...when johnson was one of several senators who wrote a letter asking for the same thing biden asked for.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1179802364708052992
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GOP Sen. Ron Johnson, who this week asked the DOJ to look into allegations that Joe Biden forced Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating his son, signed onto a 2016 letter urging the Ukraine government to make reforms to that same prosecutor's office.

https://t.co/BXzAWcReUR
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502. "s/o to julian castro for turning the heat up. all dems should join in."
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https://twitter.com/JulianCastro/status/1180250632340426752
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A U.S. Senator had evidence of a criminal quid pro quo by the President of the United States and failed to report it.

The Senate Ethics Committee should investigate what Sen. Johnson knew, when he knew it, and why he didn’t take appropriate action.
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this should really be the top story today.


  

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500. "btw yall boy chuck 'both sides' todd been letting his nuts hang lately."
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https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1179894122120978432

  

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501. "Nevermind"
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503. "trump throwing rick perry under the bus lol."
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https://twitter.com/axios/status/1180596761225613314
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SCOOP: Trump told House Republicans he made his now infamous phone call to Ukrainian president at the urging of Energy Secretary Rick Perry — a call Trump claimed he didn’t even want to make.

https://t.co/sEgKDFzmb1
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now it makes sense why it came out yesterday that perry is resigning. i love how repubs always act like these resignations arent related in any way to the scandals that the people resigning are related to. 60 yr old men all of a sudden wanna spend time with their wife and (middle aged) kids lol.


https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1179973766639738880
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Rick Perry, who has aggressively promoted President Trump’s fossil fuel agenda, is said to be stepping down as energy secretary by December. He is one of the longest-serving cabinet members in a tumultuous administration.

https://t.co/FBdHBg3fR5
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i also get the impression that the trump team isnt only worried about impeachment in the house.

  

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504. "so there's potentially up to 7 whistleblowers about to come forward?"
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*pass the popcorn!*

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505. "No good"
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>*pass the popcorn!*

Last thing we need is more noise. Two whistleblowers is enough. Let’s finally get smart and focus on a couple key things

  

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506. "seriously"
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the "transcript" the white house released and trumps public statements are enough to get him.

i would hope the rest of this inquiry is just to see who else needs to get thrown out.

  

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507. "I mean. I get what you guys are saying."
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But you can't just turn away additional evidence lol (I know you're not suggesting that) and considering how easily he's skated by everything to this point it'd be nice to have as much corroboration/evidence as possible to shore this one up.

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511. "i guess im worried about the spin"
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it will happen regardless but theres no question the GOP will jump on any of these whistleblowers having any sort of "dirt" they can use to smear the whole thing.

so the more there are the more chances there are that one of them is shaky. this really shouldnt be relevant but unfortunately it is.

  

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508. "LOL. "Why present seven witnesses to a multitude of crimes..."
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"...when you can present one?" Said no prosecutor ever.

Drumf is already working in overdirve trying to discredit one person. Gets a lot more difficult when there's seven.

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513. "Snark all you want"
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Perhaps you dont listen to right wing podcasts/news sources. I do and I know they are relentless in pushing the orange one’s message downward. More noise isn’t good - it gives them more to yapp about and hammer their moron listeners with

>"...when you can present one?" Said no prosecutor ever.
>
>Drumf is already working in overdirve trying to discredit one
>person. Gets a lot more difficult when there's seven.

  

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514. "You know what's easier to discredit than seven people? One person"
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Which right wing radio has already been doing by running the whole "The whistle blower wasn't even in the room!" play.

Well, now there are apparently more people, at least some of which were in the room when he did stuff. More evidence of wrong doing is a good thing, not a bad one.

The fact that the dipshit has people's brain's so Clockwork Oranged-up so that they don't want actual evidence of wrong doing to be out there in the news is truly tragic.

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515. "THIS"
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We should not be letting right wing radio lead us on anything. let them shout into the wind

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516. "F'real."
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519. "except they’re leading everyone else"
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>We should not be letting right wing radio lead us on
>anything. let them shout into the wind
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>d

They are cheap messaging for this administration. I am not saying this is a good thing, I am saying this is a bad thing. I just don’t want yall to be unhealthy and shocked when the worst outcome happens.

  

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509. "I disagree on this."
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Yes, it's true that what we already have is enough to justify removal as far as the facts of the case go.

But the GOP spin machine has already gone to town normalizing and making excuses for the Ukraine call and the public comments on China. We got vague statements of disapproval from three Republican Senators (but no indication that they'd convict). That's not enough. If Trump doesn't lose as a result of this exchange (either through removal or drastically shifted popularity), America loses.

And now, the shock of that news cycle is already wearing off. Public opinion will keep turning back towards inaction unless genuinely new scandals come along in a continuous manner. I honestly don't know if seven whistleblowers would be enough!

  

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510. "Well said - correct."
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>Yes, it's true that what we already have is enough to justify
>removal as far as the facts of the case go.
>
>But the GOP spin machine has already gone to town normalizing
>and making excuses for the Ukraine call and the public
>comments on China. We got vague statements of disapproval from
>three Republican Senators (but no indication that they'd
>convict).
>
>And now, the shock of that news cycle is already wearing off.
>Public opinion will keep turning back towards inaction unless
>genuinely new scandals come along in a continuous manner. I
>honestly don't know if seven whistleblowers would be enough!

The emergence of more WBs and more witnesses and more detail and more evidence keeps the story fresh in the minds of stupid Americans who'd forget their own mothers died if a squirrel distracted them.

And like you touched on, the only way more repugs will ever pretend they have a soul is if the shit keeps piling up.

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512. "I honestly think the real determining factor is still economic shifts."
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(Maybe I'm arguing against myself here.)

We seem to be at the precipice of what might turn into a recession, or might not. The public seems to think that economic downturns are unambiguous, they always matter for all Americans, and they can be blamed on the President (the fact that none of these is necessarily true is another story).

If a recession happens before the election, Trump will be electoral poison (unless he can find a way to blame the impeachment, which he's still working on). Not just for this cycle but possibly for decades to come.

If a recession doesn't happen, then Trump would probably survive reelection, scandals and all, and any Republican who went against him is drummed out of politics for good.

The Ron Johnson performance on Meet the Press this week pretty much encapsulates how these fuckers work.

If I remember my Nixon history right, I think on top of the tapes magically appearing, a recession was starting to be broadly recognized when Republicans finally decided to turn against him en masse.

The facts of the scandal determine *how* politicians will cover their asses, not *whether* they'll cover their asses.

  

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517. "Trump/White House Official Defense: The president is above the law."
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Like, literally, this is what they're going with.

Nixon tried this. Also Reagan's AG, Edwin Meese, tried this. He resigned when a report came out of his corruption.

So guess who received a Presidential Medal of Freedom in the White House yesterday?

Edwin Meese.

Trump is basically brazenly dunking on us at this point.

  

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518. "Trump just FUCK YO COUCH to the Impeachment Inquiry"
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Pelosi is in a bind here.

- They don't have enough to vote for impeach that would win over a number of the public.

- If this goes to the courts to challenge the White House's obstruction, it will drag out beyond the election

- If they vote for the impeachment inquiry, it would empower the GOP members of the judiciary to subpoena witnesses to gum up the works with Biden conspiracy nonsense

  

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523. "i hate that they found the cheat codes to the government"
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and are rampantly using them..and the Dems can't update the game algorithm fast enough to stop them because the most fair governments are designed to move slowly.

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520. "Two Giuliani comrades arrested on campaign finance charges."
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Made illegal donations to a Trump Super PAC. Then they worked with Rudy on his "investigation" into the Bidens.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/us/politics/giuliani-ukriane-associates-arrested.html

  

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521. "i honestly wonder if this was to stop them from testifying"
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to house committees.

they were scheduled for depositions today and tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/npfandos/status/1182288328818925568

sdny under bill barr has been acting shady as shit lately. so anything is possible.

  

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522. "I think it's to force them to testify bc they weren't expected to appear"
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before Congress voluntarily

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524. "also it is making clear that 45 is fucked in NYC once he finally leaves ..."
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525. "arrested at the airport while trying to leave the country"
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on 1-way tickets...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/two-business-associates-of-trumps-personal-lawyer-giuliani-have-been-arrested-and-are-in-custody/2019/10/10/9f9c101a-eb63-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

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526. "less than 12 hours after AG Barr was told about the investigation"
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527. "WOW....."
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Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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528. "2 one way tickets to Epsteinland"
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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Reeq
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529. "giuliani was also planning to fly to vienna tonight."
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https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1182414112866885635

same destination.

prolly just a coincidence.

  

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531. "they say his pirate limp gave him away"
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as the feds rushed him

coming through U.S. Customs

  

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540. "👍🏾"
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533. ""They might be tapin'" (c)E-40"
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https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1182441506600374272?s=20

Got that lil' bitch on tape
(c) Orenthal'Shea Jackson

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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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Reeq
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530. "trump: i dont know these niggas."
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these niggas:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGh11I2W4AIRlli.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGh0dJ9WwAMeU6W.jpg

  

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532. "not THEM niggas!"
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R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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535. "Those fuckin smiles."
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What a pile of pricks.

  

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Reeq
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534. "senior advisor to mike pompeo resigns."
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1182457499317915649

dude is free to testify to congress without being muzzled by pompeo/state dept.

  

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stravinskian
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536. "Shepard Smith abruptly leaving Fox News."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/11/business/media/shepard-smith-fox-news.html

Only tenuously related to the topic of the thread, as far as we know. But I didn't think it deserved its own thread, and Smith has supposedly been in an ongoing feud with Tucker Carlson about how to cover Trump and impeachment. It's been a LONG time since I've seen Fox News, but from what I hear this basically cuts in half the remaining population of people who at least try to look like they're not in the business of selling Trump. I guess Carl Cameron left recently too, and has been somewhat critical. One wonders how long Chris Wallace will stay around. He always seemed like an embarrassing right-wing shill to me in the past, but I guess now he's the closest thing they have to a journalist.

I guess the decision was made in just the last few days; supposedly at Smith's request. It sounds like other anchors didn't know until he broadcast his farewell. He has a non-compete clause that will keep him from going elsewhere in the near future.

I guess as Marge Simpson once said, Fox News is turning into a hardcore porn channel so gradually, people barely even notice.

  

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537. "wonder if it has to do with barr meeting with murdoch"
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538. "These nimrods sent their talking points to Democrats AGAIN. "
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This time it was strategy on how Cuban B the former Ukrainian ambassador.

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539. "crazy part is the media now has access to these talking points"
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and will still let the usual propagandists come on their shows and use them without any pushback or callout.

just like last time.

  

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541. "MSNBC giving Giuliani tips on how NOT to incriminate himself"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDXh7b-pb5U

https://www.msnbc.com/11th-hour/watch/frank-figuliuzzi-rudy-giuliani-just-threw-trump-under-the-bus-71126085574


this is what i hate about political shows

its clearly amateur hour at the white house
your opponent thinks he’s doing no wrong
he obviously watches your network and adjusts his position accordingly

yet you cant help yourself in giving him and his associates an out by detailing step by step instructions to avoid prosecution

  

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542. "The U.S selling out the Kurds... "
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to me raises the stakes *even further* on why this man needs to be impeached

>100,000 currently displaced because of a phone conversation
with no consultation

~20k ISIS fighters who will be seeking to break out
as the Kurds defend their homeland

We have no idea what the consequences of this will be

i cannot even begin to imagine what is currently happening on the ground in syria

we should all be ashamed.

oh... and we are sending troops to saudi arabia, because... of course.

*i'm so so angry*

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543. "I agree."
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We haven't seen eye to eye on this subject, but this is a scenario for which removal is the only answer. I hope House and Senate Democrats can make that case. (I fear they won't, because American voters see foreign wars as 'abstract.' There's also the problem that incompetence in itself is not impeachable, and it's easy to blame this on incompetence.)

Lindsey fucking Graham especially needs to be forced out of his state of cognitive dissonance.

  

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574. "Not sure I follow you here:"
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>Lindsey fucking Graham especially needs to be forced out of
>his state of cognitive dissonance.

Graham is one of the most incompetent and flaky members of the Seante - no doubt - but he agrees 100% with akon's point on the Kurds - so not sure why he's being brought up in this context.


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Reeq
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544. "trump is executing putins plan for syria."
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people are concentrating on the erdogan angle but 100k (and counting) refugees is a gift to vlad.

turkey, syria/assad, and iran all have their agendas in syria based on historical ideological/geopolitical foundations.

putin wants to worsen the refugee exodus into other countries (especially european countries) and increase the influx/repatriation of some freed isis fighters back into their home (european) countries. both of those have proven to be tentpole issues for far right (russia backed) european parties to fearmonger and successfully run against.

  

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556. "he's certainly not doing anything in America's interests"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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555. "U.S. military evacuating and withdrawing from northern Syria"
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1. because turkey plans to go further into syria and
2. the Kurds are reaching out to russia for help.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/u-s-forces-set-to-withdraw-from-northern-syria-amid-alleged-turkish-atrocities-71182405811

they've already withdrawn from several cities *because* of turkey's incursions.

we are already seeing atrocities happening on the ground commited *by* the turks

several isis prisoners have already escaped

I'm more concerned about the hundreds of thousands of people displaced and fleeing this shit - women children the elderly
there's a human face to this

the humanitarian sector does not have the capacity to deal with this.

sanctions don't mean shit at this stage


fuck this idiot.

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545. "RE: Trump Ukraine/Whistleblower Scandal"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-envoy-who-denied-quid-pro-quo-now-says-he-isnt-certain/2019/10/12/4abe0902-bc19-44e8-8c38-9aa35c544859_story.html

I always thought that text was strange and forced

  

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Reeq
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546. "trump is done (narrative-wise)."
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1183184330916618240
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Breaking via WaPo: Gordon Sondland intends to tell Congress that the text he wrote denying a quid pro quo with Ukraine was relayed to him directly by Trump in a call. Sondland plans to say he has no knowledge of whether Trump was telling him the truth.
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1183186870315995136
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Gordon Sondland is expected to say that for months before the Sept. 9 message, he worked at the direction of Rudy Giuliani to secure what he would call in another text message the "deliverable" sought by Trump: a public statement from Ukraine that it would investigate corruption.
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theres zero daylight in any of these depositions for trump to spin. it says a lot that these folks are defying wh/state orders and testifying anyway. aint nobody tryna go to jail for this dude.

obviously this says nothing about whether any of this really changes what repubs do tho. their base is still dug in.

as far as general public opinion tho...support for impeachment *and* removal is already at a majority or plurality in polls. dems really just need to bring these folks in to read their own depositions on live tv. i wouldnt be surprised if 60% of americans wanted him to be impeached at the end of all this.

  

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547. "That text was the written equivalent to this:"
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551. "EXCELLENT pull"
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyUoH_V9kS0

  

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548. "Trump has POISONED the courts , he'll survive"
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If this goes to the Supreme Court he'll win WHATEVER he wants.

Trump appointed "HUDGE" Neomi Rao diseented in a ruling that Trump lost 2/3.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-subpoena-mazars-neomi-rao.htmle.

A Trump-Appointed Judge Is Running Interference for the President on His Financial Records

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549. "William Barr is evener CRAZIER than Trump"
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He will use the might of the Justice Department to protect Trump:

Barr slams attacks on religious values, says 'moral upheaval' leading to societal ills
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/12/politics/william-barr-religious-values-moral-upheaval/index.html

"The campaign to destroy the traditional moral order has coincided and I believe has brought with it immense suffering and misery. And yet the forces of secularism, ignoring these tragic results, press on with even greater militancy," Barr said.

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Reeq
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550. "trump met with giuliani for lunch today"
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while rudy is currently under investigation by trumps own department of justice.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1183228883727978497
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NEW - Trump had lunch with Giuliani today at his golf club, amid public displays of support for his lawyer who is under investigation by SDNY via @kenvogel and me
https://t.co/xqmgh6dl3E
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just open corruption and investigation tampering.

  

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557. "Yo... the erdogan letter... wtf"
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...

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558. "It's like a letter from your barely literate landlord regarding"
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repeated noise complaints

Which makes sense given how the Trump brand was created

  

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559. "My favorite is the ending."
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"DONT BE A FOOL ! DONT FUCKIN DO IT ! love ya. call ya lata"

There aren't words strong enough to describe his imbecility.

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560. "If you read each sentence as a tweet in his voice, it all makes sense"
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That's how dude probably thinks inside his head. Short, choppy phrases that are poorly connected to each other and strung together.

  

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561. "https://twitter.com/TonyAtamanuik/status/1184583773167538176"
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https://twitter.com/TonyAtamanuik/status/1184583773167538176

  

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565. "president villain"
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https://twitter.com/PresVillain/status/1184806715730075649

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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562. "get over it"
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Mulvaney acknowledges Ukraine aid was withheld to boost political probe

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/17/mulvaney-confirms-ukraine-aid-2016-probe-050156

"I have news for everybody: Get over it. There's going to be political influence in foreign policy," the acting White House chief of staff told reporters.

Donald Trump's top aide on Thursday acknowledged that the administration held up military funds to Ukraine over the president's desire for a political probe, undermining past denials of any quid pro quo and blowing up weeks of White House messaging amid an escalating impeachment inquiry.

In a whirlwind 40-minute news conference, acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney told reporters the U.S. aid was withheld at least in part because of a request to have Ukraine investigate unfounded allegations that foreign countries assisted Democrats in the 2016 election.

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"Did he also mention to me in past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely," Mulvaney said of a conversation he had Trump. "No question about that. But that's it, and that's why we held up the money."

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He added: "The look-back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with that nation."

The explosive remarks from the West Wing senior staffer seemed to provoke alarm among congressional lawmakers and Trump's allies in equal measure.

"I'm starting to get worried for POTUS now," a person close to the Trump campaign said in a text message of Mulvaney's performance. "Total disaster unless there's some strategy I'm not seeing."

"I thought it was really remarkable," said one former White House official, "because it was either a huge unforced error or a calculated concession."

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), one of the leaders of the Democratic impeachment proceedings, also offered a dour assessment.

“I think Mr. Mulvaney’s acknowledgment means that things have gone from very, very bad to much, much worse," Schiff said.

Pressed during the briefing on whether he was describing a quid pro quo with Ukraine, Mulvaney responded that "we do that all the time with foreign policy," and cited the holding back of financial assistance to Northern Triangle countries to affect their immigration policies.

"I have news for everybody: Get over it. There's going to be political influence in foreign policy."

- Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney

"I have news for everybody: Get over it. There's going to be political influence in foreign policy," he said. "That is going to happen. Elections have consequences, and foreign policy is going to change from the Obama administration to the Trump administration."


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Democrats have aggressively accelerated their impeachment inquiry since it was revealed that Trump pressed newly elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky during a July phone call to review two unsubstantiated charges: that Ukraine was somehow involved in wrongdoing involving Hillary Clinton's emails, and that Joe Biden led efforts to fire a Ukrainian prosecutor in order to protect his son's interests in the region.

Although Mulvaney insisted that "the money held up had absolutely nothing to do with Biden," Trump raised both allegations during his call with Zelensky.

Mulvaney also pushed back Wednesday against a question regarding a whistleblower complaint that details alleged attempts by White House officials to “lock down” records of that conversation. He instead pointed to the release of a readout of the call between the two leaders — which came only after intense pressure from Congress.

"Everyone wants to believe there's a cover-up," he said. "You don't give stuff to the public and say, 'Here it is,' if you're trying to cover something up."

Several administration officials are under inspection by lawmakers for their potential roles in a campaign to pressure Ukraine's government, and Mulvaney, who still serves as director of the White House budget office, has been scrutinized regarding the stalled aid to Kyiv.

“I was involved with the process by which the money was held up temporarily, OK?" he said. "Three issues for that: the corruption in the country, whether or not other countries were participating in the support of the Ukraine, and whether or not they were cooperating in an ongoing investigation with our Department of Justice. That's completely legitimate.”

The final condition Mulvaney listed appears refer to Attorney General William Barr's investigation of foreign interference in the 2016 election, which detractors have criticized as a White House-backed bid to discredit the work of former special counsel Robert Mueller.

Gabby Orr, Andrew Desiderio and Daniel Lippman contributed to this report.

  

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563. "Walked it back"
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/466385-mulvaney-walks-back-comments-tying-ukraine-aid-to-2016-probe


White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said Thursday that the flow of security assistance to Ukraine was not conditioned on Kiev investigating a theory related to 2016 election interference, walking back statements he made earlier in the day.

Mulvaney issued a statement Thursday afternoon accusing the media of “misconstruing” his earlier remarks to the press at the White House “to advance a biased and political witch hunt against President Trump.”

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“Let me be clear, there was absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election,” Mulvaney said. “The president never told me to withhold any money until the Ukrainians did anything related to the server.”

Mulvaney insisted the only reason security aid was held up was because the administration was reviewing whether other nations were contributing enough and out of concerns over corruption.

Mulvaney indicated earlier Thursday that the Trump administration had held up almost $400 million in military assistance to Ukraine in part because Trump wanted Kiev to investigate an unproven conspiracy theory about Ukraine’s involvement in the hack of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) server in 2016. The theory diminishes Russia's involvement in the DNC hack. Trump's former homeland security adviser recently called the theory "completely debunked."

“Did also mention to me in the past that the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely, no question about that. But that was it. That’s why we held up the money,” Mulvaney told reporters at the earlier afternoon briefing.

“The look back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the things that he was worried about in corruption with that nation. And that is absolutely appropriate,” Mulvaney continued, suggesting Trump wanted assistance with an ongoing investigation by the Justice Department.

Attorney General William Barr has ordered an inquiry into the FBI's original probe of 2016 Russian interference. Trump's critics view the investigation as an effort by the president to undermine the intelligence community's original finding that Moscow intervened to help him win.

Mulvaney also told reporters that there would be “political influence in foreign policy” and that they needed to “get over it.”

Hours later, Mulvaney reversed course from his earlier remarks, saying the “only reasons we were holding the money was because of concern about lack of support from other nations and concerns over corruption.” He blamed the media for misinterpreting his statements.

“Multiple times during the more-than 30 minute briefing where I took over 25 questions, I referred to President Trump’s interest in rooting out corruption in Ukraine, and ensuring taxpayer dollars are spent responsibly and appropriately,” Mulvaney said in the statement.

Mulvaney noted — as he did during the briefing — that security assistance was eventually released to Ukraine, something he framed as proof that it was not conditioned on Ukraine assisting in investigations related to the 2016 election.

“There was never any connection between the funds and the Ukrainians doing anything with the server - this was made explicitly obvious by the fact that the aid money was delivered without any action on the part of the Ukrainians regarding the server,” Mulvaney continued.

“There never was any condition on the flow of the aid related to the matter of the DNC server.”

Mulvaney’s remarks earlier in the day appeared to undercut Trump’s repeated pronouncements that there was “no quid pro quo” related to his conversations with Ukraine.

Trump encouraged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on a July 25 phone call to investigate an unproven theory about Kiev’s involvement in the DNC server hack as well as corruption allegations against former Vice President Joe Biden.

Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani have repeatedly raised corruption allegations against Biden and his son, Hunter, without providing specific evidence of them.

Mulvaney denied repeatedly during the briefing earlier Thursday that the security aid was tied to an effort to investigate the Bidens, something House Democrats are investigating as part of their impeachment inquiry.

Updated at 8:03 p.m.

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564. "It's incredible that these dudes somehow still have power."
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They are very, very stupid people.

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566. "mitch: my name is bennett"
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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1186716601418158080
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Asked about Trump's claim that McConnell said his call with the Ukrainian president was appropriate, McConnell says they haven't discussed it.

Q: Was he lying?

McConnell: "You’ll have to ask him. I don’t recall any conversations with the president about that phone call."
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567. "u.s. top envoy to ukraine: yeah its exactly what yall think it is"
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https://twitter.com/mateagold/status/1186714228712976391
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BREAKING: U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election

https://t.co/CxsF5uBJNG
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https://twitter.com/politico/status/1186708807470190593
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BREAKING: Trump's top envoy to Ukraine told House impeachment investigators of an intense effort by officials to secure politically-motivated investigations of Trump's rivals in exchange for a White House meeting with Ukraine's president and military aid

https://t.co/gmZZBzxco4
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https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1186722573364711426
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CNN reports on contents of Bill Taylor's opening statement, which has been released. Taylor says Trump wanted the Ukrainian president put "in a box" where he had to publicly announce they were going after Biden or else they wouldn't get aid.

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568. "READ: Taylor’s Damning Testimony On Ukraine Pressure Campaign"
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/read-amb-taylors-opening-statement-on

its pictures of the statement. first 2/3 pages are background. worth a read.

edit: direct link to pdf (still just pictures)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18vtmYFn7i788o85FxdP_F6N_qY-D_llc/view



  

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569. "So basically they were trying to extort him across several vectors ..."
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... and force him to read prepared remarks. Like a fucking hostage.

Holy shit. These fucking mutants.

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570. "even worse (and more explicitly politically motivated)"
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than the initial idea of the quid pro quo.

he didnt just want a foreign government to mine dirt on political opponents...he wanted them to make a public spectacle to help shape the narrative to influence his election prospects.

if there was any sense of real justice in this country...trump would immediately be marched out of the white house by the marshal of the supreme court and louise mensch.

  

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571. "Yep. Way worse than innuendo - which was bad enough."
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572. "you're right, but justice died in the Republican party."
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573. "Pence’s Big Bro Is Sitting In On Congress’s Impeachment Depositions"
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Vice President Mike Pence’s Big Brother Is Sitting In On Congress’s Closed-Door Impeachment Depositions

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kadiagoba/greg-pence-impeachment-inquiry-congress-brother

WASHINGTON — As dozens of House members in charge of the impeachment investigations sit in on closed-door depositions about Ukraine, at least one person in the room has unusually close ties to President Donald Trump’s administration — Vice President Mike Pence’s older brother, Rep. Greg Pence.

The first-term member of Congress sits on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, one of three House committees leading the impeachment investigation (along with the House Intelligence and Oversight committees). He was assigned to the committee earlier this year by members of the Republican House Steering and Policy committees, long before the impeachment inquiry began.

Pence has had access to all the closed-door testimonies of officials speaking on Trump’s actions, US–Ukraine relations, and the controversial phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian president, which sparked the official impeachment investigation.

When asked if Pence should recuse himself because of his relationship with the vice president, Rep. Adam Schiff’s office deferred to the House Foreign Affairs Committee, which then declined to comment. Several Democratic lawmakers told BuzzFeed News they didn’t realize the representative served on the committee.

Rep. Pence's office did not respond to questions for this article.

Experts on impeachment say they don’t see his presence on the committee as a potential conflict of interest.

“I have not heard of such a potential conflict of interest, nor do I think it would be a conflict of interest, because the oath of a member of Congress would probably be enough to say they need to weigh the evidence independently,” said David Priess, the chief operating officer of Lawfare, a national security blog that has written extensively about impeachment issues.

Priess went on to say it would be more likely an issue should the impeachment process reach the Senate and there is a familial conflict.

“The Senate is when there is actually a trial," Priess said, "whereas the impeachment process is more like a grand jury indictment when all of those issues that are being raised about fairness and due process … that comes in the trial. That’s not related to the initial investigation.”

Pence has flown under the radar on the impeachment front. The first-term Republican hasn’t said much publicly about the topic; he spoke out when Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the House would move forward with the impeachment investigation, condemning Democrats by calling the process a “partisan power grab” in a tweet. “It seems their #ImpeachmentAgenda is more important than the American people,” he wrote.

On Tuesday, Pence and the 20 other Republicans on the Foreign Affairs Committee signed a letter demanding all members sitting in on impeachment depositions receive copies of transcripts of the closed-door interviews. (Currently, members can only access the transcripts in the Intelligence Committee offices.)

“It is outrageous and unjustifiable to deny us those basic documents, which are critical to our ability to meaningfully prepare for and participate in this investigation,” the letter read. “We require the same access to the same documents in the same format, as is enjoyed by you and your staff.”

Aside from Schiff, who chairs the Intelligence Committee, no other committee members have unsupervised access to transcripts, according to the letter. Members of Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, and Oversight committees can view documents at the Intelligence Committee’s office during designated times.

Pence, 62, won Indiana’s 6th Congressional District seat in 2018 after former Republican representative Luke Messer vacated the seat to run for Senate (a race that he lost in the primary). Pence bested four candidates with 65% of the vote in the primary and sailed through the general in the Republican-voting district. Mike Pence represented the same district for more than a decade before becoming the state’s governor and the United States vice president. The district has voted Republican consistently for more than three decades.

Greg Pence came under fire immediately following his campaign when he spent $7,600 in campaign funds at the Trump International Hotel in the first few months after his election, although Congress members are supposed to pay for their own living accommodations in DC. Pence’s team later changed the filings to say the money went to “fundraising event costs,” which is allowed under campaign finance laws.

Pence normally votes in lockstep with his Republican colleagues in Congress. However, this month he doubled down on his support for the president and sided with a minority of Republicans who voted against the resolution to oppose Trump’s decision to remove troops from Syria. A wide bipartisan group supported the resolution last week; 127 Republicans and 225 Democrats voted to formally oppose Trump on the issue.

  

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575. "Damn. That corruption runs hella deep."
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576. "Poor Rudy"
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https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/25/rudy-giuliani-justice-department-057125

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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577. "Ohhhhh shit. Mr Trump really might not survive this."
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Account of Trump’s Ukraine Call Omitted Key Details, Official Testifies

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/us/politics/alexander-vindman-trump-ukraine.html

  

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578. "i swear they ask themselves what did nixon do"
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and do the exact same shit.

  

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579. "You know better, strav."
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Trump could perform an abortion himself on live twitter feed and senate republicans still wouldn't vote to validate impeachment and remove him from office.

He's going to survive this.

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580. "Fox and them already trying to paint this respected decorated vet"
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as someone sympathetic to the soviet union (the fucking irony)

big ups Nicole Wallace at the end of this vid

https://twitter.com/evansemones/status/1189282872986865665


  

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581. "Yea I loved this."
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>as someone sympathetic to the soviet union (the fucking
>irony)
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>big ups Nicole Wallace at the end of this vid
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>https://twitter.com/evansemones/status/1189282872986865665

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582. "Gee, that sounds an awful lot like something else."
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guess it's cool when Clinton does it.

Glad we're being consistent.

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583. "tears of a clown"
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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584. "ha"
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585. "these transcripts"
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https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=785

particularly
https://www.scribd.com/document/433409580/Read-Yovanovitch-deposition-transcript

i havent read sondlands but he reportedly admitted to quid pro quo

good thing work has been slow and okp i guess dead lol

  

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586. "We should probably call it what it is; Extortion"
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Let's hope we shift to that term soon.

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