At my daughter's bus stop today some elementary school children were playing on the trees. You would hope that these skinny little kids would not be heavy enough or strong enough to break the branches of a 30 year old tree but it happened. I had seen the older boys playing in the trees in the beginning of the school year and mentioned to them not to play in the trees because they would break the branches. Today's conversation with the little smart ass went like this:
Me: Oh would you look at that, broken branches.
Bad ass child: What branches?
Me: You blind now? You see those branches. Stop lying.
BAC: It wasn't me it was like that before I got here.
Me: Oh ok
BAC #2: It wasn't him!

I wasn't out there when it happened but another father was and come to find out he spoke to one of the boys. He told the boy to get out of the tree. After the boy broke the branches the father went to speak to him and the Bad Ass Child told him to "Fuck off."

Sheeeeeiiit

I asked the Dad if he laid hands on the boy and he said no. I told him that's grounds for an ass whooping. If you got a smart ass mouth, you gotta be prepared to get your ass whooped.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

...in his voice.


You remember as a kid there were some men that you just didn't fuck with... they had that look. That father clearly doesn't have that.

Not beating any kids tho... don't spank my own kid.

I don't do that to mine.

I was at target sometime ago. saw a father and daughter having an exchange. by exchange, I mean the 4-5 year old was yelling at dad. telling him he didn't tell her what to do. she runs this. not him. he was whispering, trying to be the calm. not wanting to make a bigger scene.

it wasn't working. lil lady was hot about him not buying something. they kept going back & forth. eventually pops held his hand out and said let's go. lil mommma slap his hand and said you don't tell me!

I was stunned. but watched the train wreck with my wife. glad my kids have never done anything like that. it would've been handled differently.

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One kid got all disrespectful and another adult came over and grab that kid’s arm and was told to respect adults.

If I could discipline anyone else’s kids it’d be the slow-walking motherfuckers that make me late so many times during the week because they won’t get on the bus.

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School buses make everything slow. First day of school I noticed traffic was worse because of them.

Unfortunately, the "adults" in my neighborhood are way worse than the teens, in both noise and chaos.

Like not at all ever.
Zero.

It does not work in the long term, even if you think its "working" in the short term.

Every single thing we know about the human brain and child development says this. Its clear science.

It simply breeds resentment, sneaky behavior, self-harm, negative self-thoughts, insecurity etc etc

It's abuse. it's unjustified.

sorry, but no.

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>Like not at all ever.
>Zero.
>
>It does not work in the long term, even if you think its
>"working" in the short term.
>
>Every single thing we know about the human brain and child
>development says this. Its clear science.
>
>It simply breeds resentment, sneaky behavior, self-harm,
>negative self-thoughts, insecurity etc etc
>
>It's abuse. it's unjustified.
>
>sorry, but no.
>
>d

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Of course instruction should come before any discipline... which is a major mistake parents have made down through the years. This generation of parents (us in particular) has made the decision not to discipline them. As a result we have a generation of disrespectful, disobedient, do whatever they feel like kids. This also stems from black folks listening to whites on how to discipline and raise their children. We can keep thinking that NO disciplinary action is the best way, but we will continue to see generation after generation get worse and not live by any type of moral code.

its punishment from parents that don't feel that other options will work. it has nothing to do with how disrespectful kids are. if anything, it makes them not speak up or not do things later in life because they're afraid of what may happen. kids barely communicating with their parents for fear of being 'disrespectful'.

I'm sure you, like me, know a bunch of knuckleheads that were spanked/whooped/beat growing up. and a bunch of other folks that will tell you they're fine tho they were beat too.

its simply not the best way to get the kid's behavior to change. more so a way to let a parent take out anger on a helpless kid.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

>its punishment from parents that don't feel that other
>options will work. it has nothing to do with how disrespectful
>kids are. if anything, it makes them not speak up or not do
>things later in life because they're afraid of what may
>happen. kids barely communicating with their parents for fear
>of being 'disrespectful'.
>
>I'm sure you, like me, know a bunch of knuckleheads that were
>spanked/whooped/beat growing up. and a bunch of other folks
>that will tell you they're fine tho they were beat too.
>
>its simply not the best way to get the kid's behavior to
>change. more so a way to let a parent take out anger on a
>helpless kid.

The most important thing is instruction. Now if a kid fails to listen to instruction then punishment is the next step. Most people whoop their children, but there are other forms of discipline. Whoopings are the fastest way to get their attention. Do people take whooping their kids to far... absolutely.

Yes all of us that grew up in the 70’s and 80’s knew that our parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and/or older siblings would get in our arse for getting out of line along with the neighborhood watch. Were they perfect in doing so, absolutely not!!!! We did know that if we acted up then we were going to face consequences. These kids don’t give that respect because our generation hasn’t demanded it from these kids. As they get older it should be less whooping and more continued instruction to gear them for adult life.

The main thing I tell folks about kids is to guard your own self against anger. It will have you react in a way that could be detrimental to someone else.

So if you have kids and they get disrespectful with you, curse you out, you view them as helpless?

were getting beat weren't getting civilized talks. sure, some parents would do that, but not typically. those talks came in the form of yelling before, during, and after the whoopings. having a convo before, in a calm manner, sounds good but its not the reality in general.

I do have kids, 2 of them. I don't need my hands or belt, whatever weapon, to let them knew they don't run our house. kids will say disrespectful shit at times. that's part of their growth. I grew up in the 70's. disrespect didn't start with the generation after.

and to be honest, a lot of folks confuse disrespect and fear. folks want kids to be scared of them. scared to talk or express their feelings to the folks that are supposed to love them and welcome communication. I use to believe in that too, but now I see it makes no sense.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

>were getting beat weren't getting civilized talks. sure, some
>parents would do that, but not typically. those talks came in
>the form of yelling before, during, and after the whoopings.
>having a convo before, in a calm manner, sounds good but its
>not the reality in general.
>

Man this isn’t the truth. My mom and my grandmother would always give a lecture before we got it. It got to the point where I was like just give me the whoopin’. Now my old man was a totally different story. We didn’t have anytime to explain ourselves before he went in. I know that in some cases (if not most) that the whoopin’ came before the instruction, which is wrong to do.


>I do have kids, 2 of them. I don't need my hands or belt,
>whatever weapon, to let them knew they don't run our house.
>kids will say disrespectful shit at times. that's part of
>their growth. I grew up in the 70's. disrespect didn't start
>with the generation after.
>

Okay I asked if you viewed them as helpless for being disrespectful.


>and to be honest, a lot of folks confuse disrespect and fear.
>folks want kids to be scared of them. scared to talk or
>express their feelings to the folks that are supposed to love
>them and welcome communication. I use to believe in that too,
>but now I see it makes no sense.

This is mainly because the older generation felt like they were one in the same which was a mistake. My kids mother tries to use these tactics, but I keep telling her that why that don’t respect het now. Parents should always let their children express themselves because a lot of times they speak truth. A lot of times parents don’t want to hear the truth especially if it involves them. This brings me back to how important instruction is. At some point whooping will cease as they get older, but instruction will carry on for a lifetime.

>Okay I asked if you viewed them as helpless for being
>disrespectful.

as in not being able to communicate better?

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

>its simply not the best way to get the kid's behavior to change. more so a way to let a >parent take out anger on a helpless kid.

So I am asking that if your child was disrespectful, then you still view them as helpless?

helpless in the since of the parent beating the kid who usually can't or won't fight back.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

So you think that a kid should be able to fight back if they are getting disciplined legitimately for disrespect or even disobedience?

Yes they are helpless in real cases of abuse. If a parent is whooping for any and every reason then that is a helpless who can’t fight back I agree with you.

let's start there. we couch it with different words like discipline, etc. but if you're hitting somebody in the street or your SO the same way, its assault or domestic violence.

I say helpless because most kids just aren't going to fight their parents. at least not til they get bigger and feel like they can take pops down lol.

I grew up fearing my mother and got taller than her quickly, but I wouldn't dare got at her for a number of reasons. the fear was from being 'disciplined', like a ton of folks in my generation. most of my friends, cousins, and neighbors had the same fear.

I don't want my kids to be in fear in their own home cuz we want to punish them like that.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

You are also speaking about situations that happened in our day where the whole family would get you, so no you wouldn’t think about doing anything.

Crazy thing though is that most kids feel like the punishment almost never fits the crime. So in today’s world where whooping is much less or nonexistent the way that it used to be, you have kids being disrespectful to parents and other adults. Kids not listening to authority (school administrators or police). Kids killing parents and other adults for no reason whatsoever. All in the name of I don’t want to instill fear in my kids, but if punishment is done properly then you won’t instill fear in them. This is where parents must be creative in punishing their children with other means other than whooping them.

This is where
>parents must be creative in punishing their children with
>other means other than whooping them.
>

we agree here.

I just don't really see a need to include whooping at all.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

it also depends on what is the point of the discipline?

is it to assert dominance?

is it to enforce compliance?

i see you talking about respect, but respect is something that should be earned and not beat into someone...trust me if you gotta beat a child for them to "behave", they surely don't respect you even you think their compliance equals respect.

so you want respect or copmliance, my dude?

I'm not sure if you have the range for this discussion, btw, cuz your brain seems mad binary.

d

>it also depends on what is the point of the discipline?
>
>is it to assert dominance?
>
>is it to enforce compliance?
>

It’s neither... whooping your child is not assault. Now if you whoop them for no legitimate reason at all then now we can say it’s assault. If the first reaction is to whoop instead of instructing them, then yes it’s assault. If your kids fail at something and the first thing you want to do is whoop them, then you do need to look at yourself as the problem. It’s not about dominance or compliance. It should be about teaching, discipline, and continued teaching.


>i see you talking about respect, but respect is something that
>should be earned and not beat into someone...trust me if you
>gotta beat a child for them to "behave", they surely don't
>respect you even you think their compliance equals respect.
>
>so you want respect or copmliance, my dude?
>

It’s always about respect. You can never beat respect into kids. Anyone with any sense should know that. Trust me you will always have kids that “touch the oven when they know it’s hot” type of mentality. You also seem to be confusing constant discipline with situational discipline. Our generation of kids got that constant discipline where damn near everything you did wrong was a whoopin, but that is not what I’m speaking to. If after instruction is given and a kid still refuses to listen then some disciplinary action should be taken. Also discipline is not always a whoopin btw. I got so creative with my kids as they were getting older that they would ask for a whooping instead of the punishment they received.


>I'm not sure if you have the range for this discussion, btw,
>cuz your brain seems mad binary.

And yours is too narrow to discuss this.

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Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

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We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

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Just for being disrespectful to grown folks. Life will beat them enough for mishandling their money.

literally everything they say about the youth was said about them when they were youth. Was said about the generation before them when they were youth. Said about the generation before that when they were youth. It's fucking ridiculous.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

because I put my hands on them after they told me to fuck off after they did some shit I told them not to do


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

>because I put my hands on them after they told me to fuck off
>after they did some shit I told them not to do
>

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nobody is coming for me for telling their children not to do something

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me putting my hands on someone else's child is hypothetical

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

He lied to me, which was an offense in and of itself but not to the point of spanking

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Like, its never right to kill your kids.
Like, never at all in the long term.


We have the science and, you know, the ethics to understand this.

But yeah, keep bullshittin.

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Whoa... what what?

I can't remember the name of the post(I know mofoz remember it tho), she basically bragged about having 3 abortions like it was something to be proud of.

Now she holier-than-thou'n the game up like her shit don't stink.

But naw, it stinks REAL bad!

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that she did for her own reasons and her own CHOICE? Fuck you and fuck men like you.

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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

...then it is what it is.

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I agree

And the mods can ban me for being in agreeance!!!

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paging rjcc, cyrenyoung, etc

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..and miles to go before i sleep...

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oh sweetie

It ain’t hate speech tho..

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A real G would clap back though instead of whining to moderators.

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trying to prove you're real is the most insecure shit lol

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>It ain’t hate speech tho..
>
>

and trying to act like it's some kind of proof of hypocrisy of her stance on discipline is some pretty hate speechy shit

i don't necessarily agree with damali's never hit ever stance, but that shit was way outta bounds

but it’s not hate speech.

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maybe sit this one out, chief. the die has already been cast.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj207azLGSc

>Like, its never right to kill your kids.
>Like, never at all in the long term.
>
>
>We have the science and, you know, the ethics to understand
>this.
>
>But yeah, keep bullshittin.
>
>
>
>
>

For the record, so the mods can see.

it just reveals who you are...its a function of someone who can't form a coherent argument.

women can have legal abortions and you hate to see it LOL

too bad for you.

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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

but if they threaten someone or flat out challenge someone, i think all bets are off. that's not about them getting hit to learn or un-learn behavior, that's about them learning that you can't go around doing whatever you please and expect to face no consequences.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.