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Vector
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"Are vegans secretly jealous of us meat eaters?"


  

          

Whilst tucking into that plant based, saw dust tasting, burger do they crave the double quarter pounder, fries and shake we are slowly gorging on?

Drinking that kale and beetroot smoothie for breakfast do they wish they were eating a big plate of scrambled eggs, french toast, bacon and pancakes?

Especially those that used to eat meat and then converted. Do vegans dream of meat?

  

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Are you lonely??
Sep 12th 2019
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RE: Are you lonely??
Sep 12th 2019
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I'm jealous of their arteries and blood pressure
Sep 12th 2019
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Nope.
Sep 12th 2019
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RE: Nope.
Sep 12th 2019
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We can all get along. That's the main point. It's just food.
Sep 12th 2019
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      RE: We can all get along. That's the main point. It's just food.
Sep 12th 2019
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      There are a lot of negative externalities involved in meat production
Sep 13th 2019
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Huh?
Sep 12th 2019
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read what you just typed & reverse it....
Sep 12th 2019
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In other words, why would we be jealous? All the stuff that's out there ...
Sep 12th 2019
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      Ahh, gotcha
Sep 12th 2019
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You make it sound like it’s meat with a side of meat
Sep 12th 2019
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      exactly.
Sep 12th 2019
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      You rang?
Sep 12th 2019
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           ^^^^the only meat I fcks with^^^^
Sep 12th 2019
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the meat industry is mechanized cruelty
Sep 12th 2019
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RE: the meat industry is mechanized cruelty
Sep 12th 2019
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the food industry is mechanized cruelty
Sep 12th 2019
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Basically
Sep 12th 2019
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Yeah there’s plenty of blood on them grains... lol
Sep 13th 2019
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      *rolls eyes* uhmm yes?
Sep 14th 2019
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           These arguments make no sense...
Sep 17th 2019
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Animals have more complicated nervous systems than plants
Sep 13th 2019
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i'm gonna have steak tonight
Sep 12th 2019
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Most vegans ain't thinking about meat or meat eaters fam
Sep 12th 2019
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^^^ the real truth ^^^
Sep 13th 2019
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True but it's def more than 1% LOL
Sep 13th 2019
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I wouldn't think so
Sep 12th 2019
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11 posts in and this one is already funny as fuck... n/m
Sep 12th 2019
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^^^^^^
Sep 12th 2019
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Obsessed with us
Sep 12th 2019
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RE: Are vegans secretly jealous of us meat eaters?
Sep 12th 2019
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YES! Basically posted the same thing below
Sep 13th 2019
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not vegan but cut way back
Sep 12th 2019
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Synthetic meat...coming to a kitchen near you
Sep 12th 2019
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Show of hands...
Sep 12th 2019
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*Raises Hand*
Sep 13th 2019
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Why do people think all vegans are transitional?
Sep 13th 2019
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Conversely, having previously tried to stick to a vegetarian diet
Sep 13th 2019
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      Yeah I'm the same
Sep 15th 2019
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           I enjoyed this exchange.
Sep 15th 2019
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No.
Sep 13th 2019
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Jealous of a higher probability of heart disease, clogged arteries
Sep 13th 2019
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all i know is that rhubarb should not be in yogurt
Sep 13th 2019
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Honestly what is there to be jealous about?
Sep 13th 2019
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I'm 42 years old. I weigh 175 lbs. I was 20 the last time I weighed clos...
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      The energy levels are crazy.
Sep 13th 2019
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vegans are not a mythical singular idea. so for some, yes, for some no
Sep 13th 2019
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Cam Newton hasn’t won a game since he announced he was a vegan
Sep 13th 2019
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Trust and believe it has nothing to do with being vegan.
Sep 13th 2019
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His focus is a on burger and not the game, that's why
Sep 14th 2019
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vegans and veggies are cool but the larger virtue signaling sucks
Sep 13th 2019
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this is such a stupid post.
Sep 13th 2019
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fair point about privilege...however
Sep 15th 2019
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lol when you think about the utility of slamming/shaming vegans
Sep 15th 2019
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na yo..
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1. "Are you lonely??"
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Just trying to have some human interaction - even if its just having people react to your desperate pleas for help??

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Vector
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13. "RE: Are you lonely??"
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>Just trying to have some human interaction - even if its just
>having people react to your desperate pleas for help??
>
>https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

  

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2. "I'm jealous of their arteries and blood pressure"
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3. "Nope."
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Considering that the primary forms of meat consumed by most humans is limited to:
Fish
Beef
Chicken
Fowl

vs. the practically limitless combinations of plant based foods and meal combinations....I'd say we're eating better than you in every sense.

Eating vegan isn't really THAT difficult. The biggest struggle is that many recipes call for animal based ingredients such as butter or eggs. Those are pretty much binders more than anything...their flavors can be replicated if you just crave them like that....but there are plenty of other plant based binders that are readily available.

The other struggle is if you're trying to be FULL ON vegan....like TRUE vegan then you have to make sure that you don't use ANYTHING that's EVER involved an animal. Some manufacturing processes are done in factories that also use animal byproducts...so you have to drill down and determine those sources and avoid them.

A greasy burger goes in and out of your body for the most part....but leaves a bunch of bad shit behind...

  

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4. "RE: Nope."
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The bad shit it leaves behind ISNT the meat though...

so...

People out here flourishing on the carnivore diet as well...

I think we have to come to terms with the simple fact that these generalities don't hold up.

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5. "We can all get along. That's the main point. It's just food. "
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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19. "RE: We can all get along. That's the main point. It's just food. "
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Agreed...

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33. "There are a lot of negative externalities involved in meat production "
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Fri Sep-13-19 07:18 AM by spirit

  

          

Industrialized meat production, specifically.

If you have a cow in your backyard, all good, but industrialized meat production is gonna have to go if we want to have a sustainable ecosphere. One example link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/civileats.com/2017/03/29/the-global-dangers-of-industrial-meat/amp/

So we can all get along as individuals, but industrial meat production has to undergo radical change. Lessening demand would help.

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7. "Huh?"
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>Considering that the primary forms of meat consumed by most
>humans is limited to:
>Fish
>Beef
>Chicken
>Fowl
>
>vs. the practically limitless combinations of plant based
>foods and meal combinations....I'd say we're eating better
>than you in every sense.

People who eat meat don't only eat meat. They eat all the other plant stuff too. So I don't get how a diet including meat is more limited than a plant based only diet.

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11. "read what you just typed & reverse it...."
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Thu Sep-12-19 11:00 AM by FLUIDJ

  

          

that's precisely my point.



"Get ready....for your blessing....."
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18. "In other words, why would we be jealous? All the stuff that's out there ..."
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and I've only removed the animal stuff from my diet...so I'm not really seeing what there is to be jealous of.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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22. "Ahh, gotcha"
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10. "You make it sound like it’s meat with a side of meat"
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and more meat.

I still eat veggies.

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14. "exactly. "
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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20. "You rang?"
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21. "^^^^the only meat I fcks with^^^^"
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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6. "the meat industry is mechanized cruelty "
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on a scale larger than chattel slavery or the holocaust. not to mention the labor conditions of the people, frequently refugees, who process all this meat are subjected to.

i pity you for asking something like this, even rhetorically

cognitive dissonance is a bitch

enjoy your chicken nugget

  

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12. "RE: the meat industry is mechanized cruelty "
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>on a scale larger than chattel slavery or the holocaust. not
>to mention the labor conditions of the people, frequently
>refugees, who process all this meat are subjected to.
>
>i pity you for asking something like this, even rhetorically
>
>cognitive dissonance is a bitch
>
>enjoy your chicken nugget

  

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23. "the food industry is mechanized cruelty "
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on a scale larger than chattel slavery or the holocaust. not
to mention the labor conditions of the people, frequently
refugees, who process all this food are subjected to.

enjoy your food though!


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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25. "Basically"
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It kills me when these vegans think their food is somehow a million more times ethical than omnivores. Trust that there's blood on your chocolate and quinoa too.

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39. "Yeah there’s plenty of blood on them grains... lol"
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Sounds ridiculous to me.

  

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50. "*rolls eyes* uhmm yes?"
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I responded to a comment agreeing with the fact that food industry overall is cruel. We can talk magnitude of cruelty elsewhere, but there's this incorrect notion that because you eat a plant based diet you somehow are shielded from farming practices that negatively and systemically harm both human and animal life. You aren't. Industrialized farming is harmful overall, and it's an erroneous thought to think your habits don't contribute to other lives being harmed.

https://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/our-failing-food-system/industrial-agriculture/hidden-costs-of-industrial.html

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bmp4av/meat-may-be-murder-but-tofu-is-too

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/world/ciw-fair-food-program-freedom-project/index.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-09-21/nestl-makes-billions-bottling-water-it-pays-nearly-nothing-for

https://www.endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/the-chocolate-slaves-of-the-ivory-coast

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57. "These arguments make no sense..."
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reason being is that I can grown my own produce and grains. I planted two fruit trees this year on the property along with some grains and herbs as well. Guess how much damage I caused the environment?? (I’ll help you out) ZERO!!!!!! For the mere fact that people can grow their own garden eliminates this argument. What industrial farms do, no matter what they grow is what the real issue is and not the local farmers.

  

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34. "Animals have more complicated nervous systems than plants "
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So what wheat “experiences” being chafed is a helluva lot different than what a pig experiences in a slaughterhouse. Picking tomatoes is also a lot different than slaughtering scores of animals coming down the equivalent of an assembly line. But yay false equivalency.


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28. "i'm gonna have steak tonight"
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i like chik fil a's version of the chicken nugget better. the next time I eat one I will think of you and smile.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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8. "Most vegans ain't thinking about meat or meat eaters fam"
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99% it's usually meat eaters asking all these passive-aggressive questions about veganism.

That 1% vegan is annoying as fuck tho. The type to start talking about slaughterhouse conditions while meat eaters trying to down a burger, or waving their hand in front of their nose because they smell meat.

  

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37. "^^^ the real truth ^^^"
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>99% it's usually meat eaters asking all these
>passive-aggressive questions about veganism.
>
>That 1% vegan is annoying as fuck tho. The type to start
>talking about slaughterhouse conditions while meat eaters
>trying to down a burger, or waving their hand in front of
>their nose because they smell meat.


Non meat eaters usually eat what they eat in peace. It’s not until some filthy greasy meat eater comes along and starts on some ignorant ish.

Vegans are annoying as hell, that is usually to other vegans/vegetarians though. The vegan beef is real out here. Vegans really don’t bother meat eaters. If you eat meat that is a choice last time I checked, just like it’s my choice not to eat it. Personally for better health and to help keep healthcare costs down it is better to eliminate or greatly reduce your meat and dairy consumption. I don’t get into the whole environment thing about meat eating because it doesn’t make sense to me to debate such an issue.

I don’t eat meat and I eat in peace. Usually it’s my meat eating family that is always trying to get me to eat meat or dairy. The only person I stay on about switching to not eating meat is my sister who is battling cancer for a second time.

  

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49. "True but it's def more than 1% LOL "
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You don't have to exaggerate to make the point. It's like a good 30-40%. It's no different than those cross fitters who love to talk shit about other styles of fitness and tell everyone they do CrossFit. It's the same annoying crowd.


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9. "I wouldn't think so"
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My assumption is that vegans make that choice for moral reasons as much as if not more than health reasons. So I think theyre pretty much disgusted by meat.

If you're choosing not to eat meat just for health reasons, then yeah maybe.

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15. "11 posts in and this one is already funny as fuck... n/m"
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16. "^^^^^^"
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17. "Obsessed with us"
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For what?

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24. "RE: Are vegans secretly jealous of us meat eaters?"
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This reads like a clickbait post.

Vegans are not a monolith. Some vegans like the taste of meat and dairy and may even regularly crave it, some don't.

I wish people would stop assuming vegans inherently eat a more healthful diet that includes fresh produce and that meat eaters inherently eat a diet filled with processed foods, empty calories and inhumanely raised animals.

>Drinking that kale and beetroot smoothie for breakfast do they
>wish they were eating a big plate of scrambled eggs, french
>toast, bacon and pancakes?

I know meat eaters who would love to slurp on a kale and beetroot smoothie and vegans who would love to eat a real or veganized version of eggs, french toast, bacon and pancakes.

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45. "YES! Basically posted the same thing below"
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My gf has been vegan for almost 18 years. She LOVES all the new beyond/impossible meats and fake cheeses and potato chips that don't have modified milk ingredients. she also loves salads. She is like any other person or meat eater, complex in her choices.

I am mostly pescatarian. I have significantly cut out dairy (dont have it in the house at all) but i eat fish and dairy out of the house. Otherwise at home Im vegan.

I am not particularly healthy or unhealthy. I am not a preachy, kale-chomping specimen of athletic prowess. I sometimes jog, i sometimes eat juicy greasy impossible burgers and fries, and i do miss the smell of barbecue. I just dont want to kill cows and chickens and turkeys etc. I wish i could cut out fish, but i have not been able to give up my love of sushi. I am a hypocrite and i acknowledge that.

My gf would much rather me eat fish than dairy. She says the dairy and egg industry is FAR worse and crueler than the already awful fishing industry. But she never tells our friends that when we're out for dinner. She's not a nag or preachy. But meat eaters CONSTANTLY hound her with instigating "want some sprouts?" "what do you even eat?" "how do you get enough iron" "do you eat like this cause you care about animals or your health?" "ill eat DOUBLE the meat to make up for you!"

its so annoying.

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26. "not vegan but cut way back"
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on meat (especially red meat and pork) and dairy.


Honestly with red meat, the less I eat it the less I want it. I'm sure everyone is different, but I don't miss it very often at all. Quite the opposite- I want it less.


And the fuck you eating a double quarter pounder for? If you're going to do it, do it better.

  

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27. "Synthetic meat...coming to a kitchen near you"
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What could go wrong?

MFers out here cloning T-bones and shit

https://www.kqed.org/science/1947260/hows-our-appetite-for-lab-grown-meat

Someday you could slice into a steak from a Petri dish, or savor sashimi from a test tube. By growing meat in labs, a slew of Bay Area startups promise a future of tasty dishes for carnivores without making billions of animals suffer.

Just Inc., Finless Foods and Memphis Meats are making beef, pork, poultry and seafood by harvesting cells from muscle tissue instead of living animals. Others like Clara Foods and Geltor ferment yeast cells to make egg whites and collagen.

Recently, teams from many of these companies gathered to discuss this trend at the Good Food Conference in San Francisco.

The Process

To make cultured meat, companies use techniques very similar to what doctors do to help burn victims heal. Physicians take skin grafts, replicate the cells outside the body and add the new cells back to the wound. The biggest difference with growing cultured meat is the result.

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Scientists begin with a biopsy of animal muscle tissue. Technicians collect stem cells from the tissue, multiply them dramatically and allow them to differentiate into fibers that eventually bulk up and form muscle tissue.

Voila! Sirloin without a slaughterhouse.

Well, not yet.

For now, companies focus on ground products like chicken nuggets, sausages and hamburger. This first line of offerings will likely include fillers, flavors and additives to help lab grown meat look, taste and feel the way people expect it to. Before scientists can create pork chops and filet mignon, they must learn how to design and replicate blood vessels.

From Yuck...to Yum!?!

Customers' aversion to genetic engineering and artificial flavors in food could make it tricky to market lab-grown meat. Cultured meat companies are quick to point out that labs allow much more control over flavor and food safety than farms do. Also, their products could save farm animals from enormous suffering and help the planet by reducing the number of methane-producing cattle and other livestock.

Farms generate a hefty carbon footprint. Raising animals in California emits 8 percent of the state's total greenhouse gases. That's more than all the state's oil refineries combined.

In theory, lab-grown meat is a sensible solution because it removes the need for vast acres of land to grow cattle, chickens and pigs. Not to mention chemical fertilizers that pollute air and water. That said, the environmental reality is much less certain.

A new study suggests lab-grown meat could accelerate climate change more than regular beef does. The claims, pro and con, are based on theoretical models. We won't know what cultured meat on a commercial scale requires until labs are able to feed large populations.

When Can I Order a Lab-Grown Burger?

Bay Area CEOs promise their products will be ready for public consumption in a year or two. Industry buzz suggests that'll happen in Asia first. In countries like Singapore and Japan - where land is limited and meat imports are very expensive - excitement is brewing. Asian cultures tend to embrace, instead of scoff, novel foods.

But the industry faces significant scientific, regulatory, manufacturing, economic and cultural hurdles before it catches on in the U.S.

There's no proof that producing meat in labs could endanger human health, but the federal Food and Drug Administration would need to regulate an entirely new industry. There's also pushback from traditional farmers and ranchers who argue vehemently against labeling these products as meat. Marketers will have to coax consumers past the gross-out factor.

Finally, companies need to create a commercially viable product. Mark Post, the co-founder of Mosa Meat, developed the first lab-grown burger in 2013. That patty cost $300,000. Prices have dropped a lot since then, but not to a level that can compete with U.S. beef on the hoof. For all these reasons, food industry skeptics suggest it will be at least a decade or even two before diners can order cultured meat on local menus.

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29. "Show of hands..."
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how many vegans actually eat vegetables and not soy versions of everything?

  

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30. "*Raises Hand*"
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There are other plants fam...


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Boogie Stimuli
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31. "Why do people think all vegans are transitional?"
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Especially when you're talking about a country like the US that has such a meat-centric diet overall...
Going "cold-turkey" and stopping ANYTHING outright is hard for most people. Like cigarette smokers who get a patch or start vaping w/o nicotine... Are they jealous of cigarette smokers? Not if they're serious about quitting. Apply the same simple logic to people trying to quit eating meat. Of course you're gonna crave it if you just stopped eating it recently. You still have the bacteria in your stomach that craves it. Once that shit dies, you won't. Crazy how people can understand these concepts with everything except meat.

I swear people say vegans are so annoying, but my experience was the complete opposite. I'll never forget going vegan for the first time. Just being in social settings with no meat on my plate, people ask why you have no meat. Tell them you're vegan, and it's "oh but what if you was stranded and didn't have nothing but meat???" It's like niggas are guilty or feel like you're highlighting just how UNhealthy they are. "You know shit ain't as healthy as you think it is!!" Nigga shut up and enjoy your damn animals and live happily with your choices and I'll do the same. Got so tired of having to shut that dumb shit down lol.

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40. "Conversely, having previously tried to stick to a vegetarian diet"
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...a couple of times...

I've accepted that every now and again, it's not the end of the world to have sausage with my eggs, pepperoni on my pizza, etc...

In fact, I just started reading the Longevity Diet

...turns out, the most healthy diet is pescatarian...

anyway, I don't get the absolutism IRT vegan/vegetarian

Like someone will be smited if they claim to be vegan/vegetarian...but dare to eat meat every once in a while

Totally irrational.

But yeah, your taste definitely changes

I usually compromise when eating with family or dining out

Vegan/vegetarian is my preference

It's not like I'm going to vaporize if I eat a cheesesteak.

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54. "Yeah I'm the same"
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I'll throw in some meat here and there or just eat it when I'm in social settings. I'm not strict and pious about it like I was in my early 20s lol. But that came from finding the value in when and how to consume different foods for maximum benefit.
As for taste changing, I realized recently I was eating raw kale, uncooked with nothing on it. I've come a long way... never thought I was be able to do that.

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55. "I enjoyed this exchange."
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I think it's important to remember that veganism isn't a cult. Right now we need more people who embrace a plant-based diet - but it doesn't necessarily have to be super strict. Even mitigating meat for a few days a week can make a big different on the planet (and one's health). I went from meat-eater to vegetarian to vegan, and now I'm 90% vegan (supplementing with eggs and raw oysters as I'm very active and have found that the local, free-range eggs from farms in my area to be great). Raw Oysters are also very healthy for men especially in terms of natural testosterone production.

I also agree that I've found mindless, judgmental meat-eaters to be far more annoying than even the most nazi, cult-leader vegans - because at least the vegans have a point when it comes to the benefits of veganism. I never remember being accosted by vegans when I ate meat - but have countless experiences of meat-eaters making dumb comments about my diet since I went plant-based.

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32. "No. "
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35. "Jealous of a higher probability of heart disease, clogged arteries"
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colon cancer, bloated faces, excess mucus, terrible body odor. Etc etc.

Meat eaters in the US should be jealous of meat eaters over seas.

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36. "all i know is that rhubarb should not be in yogurt"
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disgusting

  

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38. "Honestly what is there to be jealous about?"
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>Whilst tucking into that plant based, saw dust tasting,
>burger do they crave the double quarter pounder, fries and
>shake we are slowly gorging on?
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>Drinking that kale and beetroot smoothie for breakfast do they
>wish they were eating a big plate of scrambled eggs, french
>toast, bacon and pancakes?
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>Especially those that used to eat meat and then converted. Do
>vegans dream of meat?


I don’t eat fake meat. If I really want to eat meat then I would plain and simple. For those who have dropped meat and dairy (and other fats) from their daily nutrition, I really don’t think that they are fantasizing about eating the way that they used to. Most are concerned about making better health choices so that they can stay out of the doctors office, hospitals, and off of the prescription drugs.

  

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41. "I'm 42 years old. I weigh 175 lbs. I was 20 the last time I weighed clos..."
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to this.
I have more energy now (in the past 2 years) than i've had in the past 10 -12 years...despite being older AND having two kids (6 year old and 2 year old).
I don't have recurring gas.
I don't have any skin issues.
I can leave my food out of the fridge for several hours and not worry about it going bad.
I can go the the grocery store and buy stuff at a price that doesn't make me feel guilty.
I could go on...

It works for me. And I wouldn't push it on anybody. My wife and kids still eat meat when they want to...but by default it's just not that frequent for them either.

  

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42. "The energy levels are crazy."
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I have to hit the treadmill, swim, and go for walks often to try and work off all of this energy. If I don’t then I won’t sleep more than 3 hours at night. The key thing for me is not just the meat and the dairy, but it is all fat in general. I don’t eat any nuts, use any oils, and eat very little seeds (sesame and hemp) as well as limit my avocado intake. Mostly it is all fruit and grains that I consume. Low fat and high carbs will give you maximum performance.

  

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43. "vegans are not a mythical singular idea. so for some, yes, for some no"
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Being vegan is like being a meat eater, some cut out all bad-for-you food, and some gorge on chips, fries, burgers.

Some vegans are preachy, like some meat eaters are assholes for fun. Some vegans are health nuts like some meat eaters are. Some vegans LOVE kale, smoothies, salads, running, plyometrics and all that stuff, some vegans are fat and happy to eat junk food. and some are in the middle and like a balanced diet of health and indulgence.

Its' not that complicated.

Some vegans MISS the taste and smell of cooked/barbecued meat. Some are repulsed by it.

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44. "Cam Newton hasn’t won a game since he announced he was a vegan"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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46. "Trust and believe it has nothing to do with being vegan."
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51. "His focus is a on burger and not the game, that's why"
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47. "vegans and veggies are cool but the larger virtue signaling sucks"
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it is still a game of privilege...

as soon as people who did not have access to the "good meats" get access, it's like "meat is bad"

same thing with cheap clothes and bottle feeding and cars and... and...

when people can finally afford trendy clothes, things shift to "sustainability"

when women - whose grandmothers were nursemaids - choose bottle feeding so they can go back to work, the elite decide breastfeeding "is back"

when certain people can afford an suv and/or a plane, it's like "no, bike across country"

chicken is worse than beef and it all sucks

  

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48. "this is such a stupid post."
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- breastfeeding is the best option for the infants during the first six months of life
the real issue here is how it became stigmatized.
either way... if you can, breastfeed- it is cheaper, more sanitary for the baby and has better health outcomes.

- i don't know about this 'good meats' thing. I haven't eaten meat in almost 20 yrs. it has nothing to do with 'good meats' and everything to do with the fact that the meat we are eating is actually the 'worst' meats. it's cheap for a reason and none of it good. i couldn't afford good quality meat and decided to give it up instead of buying what you are calling the 'good meats'. also... meat, as far as i know...was never part of a daily diet. this is that marketing shit that has made it so.

trendy clothes- cheap fashion has encouraged the habit of switching wardrobes every few seasons. none of these clothes are supposed to last beyond a few months. whereas i prefer clothes that i can wear for years. so no... its not about trendy clothes being cheaper... its about clothes being of a poor quality because it's cheaper that way - they don't last. they are literally of poorer quality. the sustainability ish is about quality... not quantity (which is what trendy fashions encourage)

seriously.. suvs? the most inefficient and expensive mode of transportation?
i don't even get the flying vs biking analogy. you cant bike to africa from here. many of us recognize that (sorry that you dont). but we also recognize that we can increase transportation options that are more efficient and sustainable. i take the train to nyc as much as i can because its an overall better experience. if i had the option to train everywhere.. i would. i bike whenever i can - its not an either or. its about options; its also about what's better for the sustainability of the human race. some of us think that is actually important.

ugh.



stupid post.
there are many of us who are not priviledged who care about things like cost, efficiency, sustainability etc.

do better,
for real
its 2019.
information is free (for the most part, and for now)

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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53. "fair point about privilege...however"
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to me the larger privilege is in the wholesale disregard for the rapid decline in planetary health (where animal farming is a significant contributor though it's less discussed than fossil fuels and other pollution).

It's wild privileged to just say 'meh, I just like my meat - let the next generation deal with this madness.'

That said, your point is well taken. One of my biggest regrets about veganism is that it's become a luxury lifestyle in too many instances. Too many $16 avo toasts and $15 "super vegan" smoothies. It needs to be accessible and geared towards the communities that need it most.


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52. "lol when you think about the utility of slamming/shaming vegans"
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It's one of the dumbest things people can do.

The #1 cause of Amazon deforestation is animal agriculture (clearing land to produce massive animal farming parcels so that cows can be slaughtered en masse to feed the growing population).

People who opt out of that grotesque industry are "jealous" now? lol. You should be thanking them for mitigating their footprint while you give zero f#cks about planetary degradation.

So - enjoy your plate of flesh and be thankful that there are some people who aren't wholly governed by their taste buds.

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56. "na yo.."
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..we good!

"The more a country produces..the richer it is...the better it should take care of it's people. - Dr. Aleida Guevara"

  

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