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Hitokiri
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"Wu-Tang: An American Saga"


  

          

Premieres tomorrow Sept. 4th on Hulu
We in or out on this one?

Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w37TQZwnjXY

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TV critic friend of mine has seen eight of the ten episodes
Sep 03rd 2019
1
I read somewhere else that the best stuff when they deal with music
Sep 04th 2019
2
can someone who knows nothing about Wu confirm?
Sep 13th 2019
41
After watching "Of Mics and Men", I think I'm good
Sep 05th 2019
3
Say more.
Sep 05th 2019
4
Four part documentary about the creation of The Wu
Sep 05th 2019
6
      Completely different vibe.
Sep 13th 2019
42
Yeah. I watched most of Mics and Men the other night
Sep 05th 2019
5
      Divine-keep watching...
Sep 05th 2019
7
           Where Ghost cussed out Hot 97
Sep 09th 2019
9
                RE: Where Ghost cussed out Hot 97-yup
Sep 09th 2019
22
anyone watch yet?
Sep 09th 2019
8
Knowing that much of it is ficitionalized, I realized that...
Sep 09th 2019
11
Yeah, I pretty much dug it
Sep 09th 2019
14
      thats ODB son
Sep 10th 2019
32
           EDIT: Just looked it up Turns out it's not him
Sep 11th 2019
33
                damn
Sep 13th 2019
40
Can we have an honest conversation IRT Wu-Tang...?
Sep 09th 2019
10
im kind of on the same boat
Sep 09th 2019
12
I'm a wu head
Sep 09th 2019
13
My question is...what ground did it break
Sep 09th 2019
15
      having a group and while also
Sep 09th 2019
18
name those groups
Sep 09th 2019
16
I'm saying. Wu-Tang is still touring worldwide, and still filling venues...
Sep 09th 2019
17
What other groups would I like to see a 4 part documentary on...
Sep 09th 2019
19
      I'd LOVE a BDP series
Sep 09th 2019
20
           lolz @ krs/puffy song as the end point
Sep 13th 2019
39
Branding and Mythology. They created their own Marvel Universe.
Sep 09th 2019
21
well put
Sep 09th 2019
23
RE: http://www.zulunation.com/
Sep 09th 2019
24
RE: Branding and Mythology. They created their own Marvel Universe.
Sep 10th 2019
26
What ?
Sep 09th 2019
25
I swear, this post Thanos snap type of posts....
Sep 10th 2019
31
Oh my
Sep 11th 2019
34
I wrote a whole book about it (link)
Sep 13th 2019
44
do RZA & GZA get signed to Cold Chillin & Tommy Boy in this???
Sep 10th 2019
27
Maaaaaan
Sep 10th 2019
28
So far, it's before any of that has happened
Sep 10th 2019
29
They skip over a lot of that
Sep 13th 2019
43
I watched...
Sep 10th 2019
30
i that case...
Sep 11th 2019
35
You are watching the wrong show. Watch the documentary
Sep 11th 2019
36
ODB is perfect casting. The casting director deserves a pat on the back ...
Sep 11th 2019
37
Meth is pretty good too
Sep 12th 2019
38

mrhood75
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1. "TV critic friend of mine has seen eight of the ten episodes"
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First off, he says that you pretty much need to know about the Clan to understand what's going on a lot of the time, and that newbies would be lost. If for no other reason, it helps to know who becomes who.

He said it's at its best when it focuses on the process of them making music, like RZA learning how to use a drum machine without the instruction booklet. But there's also apparently a good deal of material about the crime/drug-dealing they were involved in, which he said is pretty much a lot of other shows that cover the same subject matter. He also said that of the ones he's saw, the eighth is the best.

Personally, I can't see myself not watching it, even if there is a lot of wheel-spinning.

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2. "I read somewhere else that the best stuff when they deal with music"
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specifically. And that 36 Chambers won't come around til season 2 at least

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41. "can someone who knows nothing about Wu confirm?"
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I think if you don’t know the Wu, you could watch this like you watch The Wire, except with drum machines. I’d like to hear from someone who knows little about the Wu who doesn’t enjoy it. I think knowing about the Wu would actually distract you, because they fictionalize certain parts of the history

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3. "After watching "Of Mics and Men", I think I'm good"
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4. "Say more."
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I didn't catch that one yet.

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6. "Four part documentary about the creation of The Wu"
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All members ('cept Dirt, of course) were there together, correcting each other on shit, co-signing on other shit.

Footage of their first ever performances.
Interviews w/ Dirts' momma 'nem.

Footage of their "Summerjam" incident.

Stories from them about how they messed up and caused the group to fall.

Stories from them about the "Once Upon a Time..." fiasco.

The dinner scene with all members was kinda heartbreaking.

Really don't need to see anything else.





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42. "Completely different vibe. "
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Partly fictionalized like the NWA doc.

Pacing is pretty decent. I’m only four episodes in. So far it’s a pretty good street crime series with a couple of shots of Rza making beats LOL

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5. "Yeah. I watched most of Mics and Men the other night"
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That joint was on point. Divine is mad dirty.

I watched the first episode of the Wu on Hulu and it’s a little slow. They trying to make a Get Down or whatever that Netflix show was called.



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7. "Divine-keep watching..."
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You got to the Summerjam part?



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9. "Where Ghost cussed out Hot 97"
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I think I stopped right after ODB passed away.

shut up already, damn

  

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22. "RE: Where Ghost cussed out Hot 97-yup"
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"YOU BIG DUMMY!!"

And it all inda fell apart from there..smh.

I dont remember that happening in real time...but damn..



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8. "anyone watch yet?"
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i thought it was pretty uneven... really bad in some spots and pretty engaging in others. have to take into account that im pretty much a wu head tho, so i will keep watching.

really liked this convo with Joey Bada$$ (who plays Deck) and RZA at Angie Martinez' show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgJ7W7Lhu-4

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11. "Knowing that much of it is ficitionalized, I realized that..."
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...RZA is basically trying to make a Kung Fu movie set in modern times with Wu-Tang members. And I'm not sure how much interest I have in that.

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14. "Yeah, I pretty much dug it"
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I don't know how true much/most of it is, but the stuff about the process of making music is entertaining. I always find that fascinating.

I don't care as much about the Park Hill vs. Stapleton crime angle. Or the brewing Staten Island vs. the Brooklyn drug dealer, but I realize that it's important to their story, no matter how fictionalized RZA and Alex Tse end up making it.

I like Ashton Sanders as RZA and Moore as Raekwon. The guy who plays ODB is also really good; he has the voice and mannerisms down damn near perfect. Not digging Dave East as Meth.

But yeah, I'll keep watching, if nothing else for the music content.

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32. "thats ODB son"
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33. "EDIT: Just looked it up Turns out it's not him"
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TJ Atoms is someone else.

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10. "Can we have an honest conversation IRT Wu-Tang...?"
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Feels like this project being released, immediately on the heels of 'mics and men', is unnecessary

Wu-Tang suffers from delusions of grandeur

What impact can they really claim?

Weird gangster mob gambino sounding nicknames?

The 9 member crew, splintering into solo deals, etc...what did that really culminate in?

They didn't change the record game

2 great albums =/= GOAT rap group.

I'm not even a Wu hater

Just confused why they are held in such high esteem decades later

?

Would rather see some of this attention paid to actual seminal rap groups

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12. "im kind of on the same boat"
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BUT honestly im down for more and more shows based on hiphop. its definitely been increasing so im for it. i might not watch all of them but im glad theyre being released.

ive never been huge into wutang. definitely love some of their songs and there are some solo projects i love. i would not wear their logo as i would feel as a poser. i know i have not listened to all of their best solo stuff and need to check it out.

i say yes to more wu stuff and yes to more hiphop stuff in general. i would love to see de la soul and native tongues get some shows. im sure theres plenty of people that are all for the wu shows that wouldnt care about a native tongues show.

if this wu show was on a platform that i was already subscribed to i would probably check it out.

  

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13. "I'm a wu head"
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but also know that music is subjective.
>

>
>The 9 member crew, splintering into solo deals, etc...what did
>that really culminate in?

this WAS the game changer. nobody had done this before, as I recall. in hindsight, it doesn't seem like a big deal to some because its became the norm. but at the time, it was ground breaking.


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15. "My question is...what ground did it break"
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and let's be all the way honest

the reason they had to form a 9 member collective, was because they couldn't get record deals on their individual merits

RZA and GZA had contracts prior to Wu...and got dropped.

Decades later, it's not like that is a blueprint for success

IMO, the relationships that members like RZA and Method Man were able to cultivate with hollywood...is helping drive these projects

They figured out a way to form a group that was never going to stay a group, and enabled individual members to eventually get solo deals

...cool...

in the DIY era, is that even relevant...?

"its became the norm"

Hunh?

I must have missed all of these 9 member rap crews that they inspired and the industry moving to that as the norm.

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18. "having a group and while also"
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being able to get individual contracts for the members at other labels was the groundbreaking part. of course, it seems trite in this day of internet stardom and diy, but at the time it was new ground.

you don't have to create a new wutang to have influence. it was unique for its time. Master P had huge industry influence too, but nobody really cares about No Limit music like that.

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16. "name those groups"
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>attention paid to actual seminal
>rap groups


the attention being paid 25 years later is testament to the legacy/impact.



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17. "I'm saying. Wu-Tang is still touring worldwide, and still filling venues..."
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...that hold tens of thousands, to celebrate a 25-year old album. That alone shows their legacy and impact.

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19. "What other groups would I like to see a 4 part documentary on..."
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...by a major network, followed by a series on a major streaming platform...

that's the question?

NWA, NAS, BIG and Pac got their hollywood treatments, I'd like to see literally any other pioneering, seminal group, from hip-hop's formative years...get the same treatment

a hollywood level quality project for;
PE
Boogie Down Productions
Grand Master Caz
Cool Herc
RockSteady Crew
Lee Quinones

I just went to a 25th anniversary party for Fat Beats

I'm not dismissing their legacy and impact, I just think it's not equivalent

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20. "I'd LOVE a BDP series"
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Man, that would be CRAAAAZZZYYY if was close to showing the truth.

Group home.
Scott la Rock Comes in.
Mr. Magic
Scott dead.
Self Destruction.
Edutainment
Juice Crew
Living Color
PM dawn
Massive break up.

Think about the guests Just Ice , D-Nice, Mad Lion and or Shabba Ranks, Michael Stipe.

Jsut doesn't have a great way to end. Where to end? Return of the Boom Bap? heather B on real world?? Puffy/KRS song?

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39. "lolz @ krs/puffy song as the end point"
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I remember being shocked about it at the time

Don't care now but at the time I was mortified

In retrospect that was last KRS album I listened properly and enjoyed

  

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21. "Branding and Mythology. They created their own Marvel Universe."
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That logo is an enduring symbol that people are still tattooing onto their bodies to this day. They had their own slang, and an ethos that incorporated martial arts, comic books, crime tales, Five Percent teachings/spirituality, wrestling, etc. that endeared them to many different demographics. Each member was distinct in style and voice, RZA's production was unique and tailored to match, and their initial releases contained incredible music. They presented themselves as larger than life characters unified by brotherhood and purpose, and they were regularly introducing new talented characters to their universe. And honestly, you can still hear (and see) their influence in a lot of the popular indie hip-hop being made today, especially beat/production wise. The relationship between Roc Marciano and KA can be traced back to the GZA giving them placements on his Pro Tools album. Raekwon is on the intro of Westside Gunn's most recent project.

Their legacy and impact can not be minimized.


>Feels like this project being released, immediately on the
>heels of 'mics and men', is unnecessary
>
>Wu-Tang suffers from delusions of grandeur
>
>What impact can they really claim?
>
>Weird gangster mob gambino sounding nicknames?
>
>The 9 member crew, splintering into solo deals, etc...what did
>that really culminate in?
>
>They didn't change the record game
>
>2 great albums =/= GOAT rap group.
>
>I'm not even a Wu hater
>
>Just confused why they are held in such high esteem decades
>later
>
>?
>
>Would rather see some of this attention paid to actual seminal
>rap groups


  

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23. "well put"
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Also RZA's sound influenced everyone from Portishead to Kanye, Dilla & Madlib.

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26. "RE: Branding and Mythology. They created their own Marvel Universe."
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PREACH.

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25. "What ?"
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>Feels like this project being released, immediately on the
>heels of 'mics and men', is unnecessary
>
>Wu-Tang suffers from delusions of grandeur
>
>What impact can they really claim?
>
>Weird gangster mob gambino sounding nicknames?
>
>The 9 member crew, splintering into solo deals, etc...what did
>that really culminate in?
>
>They didn't change the record game
>
>2 great albums =/= GOAT rap group.
>
>I'm not even a Wu hater
>
>Just confused why they are held in such high esteem decades
>later
>
>?
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x8wEEHNPMg

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rdhull
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31. "I swear, this post Thanos snap type of posts...."
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>Feels like this project being released, immediately on the
>heels of 'mics and men', is unnecessary
>
>Wu-Tang suffers from delusions of grandeur
>
>What impact can they really claim?
>
>Weird gangster mob gambino sounding nicknames?
>
>The 9 member crew, splintering into solo deals, etc...what did
>that really culminate in?
>
>They didn't change the record game
>
>2 great albums =/= GOAT rap group.
>
>I'm not even a Wu hater
>
>Just confused why they are held in such high esteem decades
>later
>
>?
>
>Would rather see some of this attention paid to actual seminal
>rap groups

  

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legsdiamond
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34. "Oh my"
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shut up already, damn

  

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spirit
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44. "I wrote a whole book about it (link)"
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http://amzn.to/2lsJYxU

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

  

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My_SP1200_Broken_Again
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27. "do RZA & GZA get signed to Cold Chillin & Tommy Boy in this???"
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28. "Maaaaaan"
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They have Raekwon, before he’s actually Raekwon and before RZA has started any group planning, spitting a ‘freestyle’ that already mentions “Killah Beez” in the first episode. -__-

That’s a good indicator of the actual interest in accuracy the series seems to aim for.

  

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29. "So far, it's before any of that has happened"
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The Genius has only been in one episode (as Gary/Allah Justice). They're hinting that he's drawing interest.

The 8th episode is supposed to focus on the music side of things, so I suspect it's going to be about Genius' brief run at Cold Chillin' (they've already introduced Easy Moe Bee in a brief cameo).

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43. "They skip over a lot of that"
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In fact, I’m four episodes in and Rza still doesn’t have a deal yet.

They’re fictionalizing quite a bit. It works in a “Based on a true story” kinda way

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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Trinity444
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30. "I watched..."
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I never been a fan so I’m watching to understand the fascination

  

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35. "i that case..."
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you should better check the docu series (Of Mics & Men) they put out earlier this year.. To me that captivated the spirit of what drew me to clan when they first came out

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36. "You are watching the wrong show. Watch the documentary"
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It really give you the true story and tells all the good bad and evil without the acting.

What makes it so dope to me is I was there. Not there, but there.. lol.

I was in Philly for the Greek in 92 and the crew I was with had a dude working for Flava Unit. He wanted us to go see some group called Wu Tang playing that night. It was $20 at the door and we were broke niggas. Dude offered to pay for all of us but we were like nah, let’s just holla at girls on South St. But the sounds coming from inside the club were crazy. Banging beats and sword and king fu sounds. WTF was that?

A few weeks later I’m in BK listening to Bobitto and Stretch and Wu comes in the studio. It was controlled chaos. Then I turned to another station and heard Method Man and it was a wrap

Went back home and told everyone in Pittsburgh about this group and next thing you know they were on Yo MTV scaring the shit out of Ed Lover for joking them earlier in the show.

shut up already, damn

  

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37. "ODB is perfect casting. The casting director deserves a pat on the back ..."
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legsdiamond
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38. "Meth is pretty good too"
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At first I though he was off but his demeanor in the break room was spot on IMO.

shut up already, damn

  

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