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Damali
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"Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?"
Thu Aug-29-19 06:06 PM by Damali

          

I actually have three very specific questions:


1. What is PC or Cancel Culture?

2. Who exactly has PC/Cancel culture actually harmed?

3. What are the specific losses they have suffered?

I really want to parse this out because these terms get thrown around so much so we should probably all know what we are each really talking about here.

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Most of the people visibly harmed by cancel culture was due to actual
Aug 29th 2019
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so then were they harmed by cancel culture? or their own bad behavior?
Aug 29th 2019
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      Bad press, bad social media coverage, losing income
Aug 29th 2019
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      RE: Bad press, bad social media coverage, losing income
Sep 02nd 2019
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      100.
Aug 29th 2019
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      I thought it was a reference to people LITERALLY saying
Aug 29th 2019
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           Looking at Spacey's IMDb page, THAT dude got cancelled for real
Aug 29th 2019
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                it took nearly 15 years after dude's proclivities were made fun of
Aug 29th 2019
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People being "cancelled" isn't REALLY a thing.
Aug 29th 2019
3
yes. public people have faced scrutiny forever
Aug 30th 2019
25
Cancel Culture doesn't exist
Aug 29th 2019
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The Cosby Show still comes on TV.
Aug 29th 2019
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I saw you on Aqua teen hunger force
Aug 29th 2019
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you clearly don't pay attention to the news at all
Aug 30th 2019
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      Lol
Aug 30th 2019
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           Ugh, if you think those are facts, you're outta your league here lol
Sep 02nd 2019
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I'm getting annoyed with how ridiculous PCness has gotten
Aug 29th 2019
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so, you don't actually experience any of the things you don't like
Aug 29th 2019
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Have I experienced PC and cancel culture personally, no.
Aug 30th 2019
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      so you've never actually experienced it. but someone told you it exists
Aug 30th 2019
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      so then
Sep 02nd 2019
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you didn't define it though. What exactly is PCness?
Aug 30th 2019
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      Protecting the the culture of whiteness
Sep 01st 2019
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           Yuuuup
Sep 02nd 2019
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           um, are you walihorse? that's who I was talking to.
Sep 02nd 2019
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Go tell it the the KKK
Aug 30th 2019
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um where did I say I'm mad?
Aug 30th 2019
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RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?
Aug 30th 2019
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Alladis
Aug 30th 2019
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RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?
Aug 30th 2019
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      you literally just did exactly what I said the problem with this shit is
Aug 30th 2019
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           not surprised that this was your response
Sep 02nd 2019
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                you need to develop more tools
Sep 03rd 2019
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                     as if I'm invested in you LOL
Sep 03rd 2019
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                          you're wrong as hell?
Sep 03rd 2019
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It's an attempt to control language, and thus control thought
Aug 30th 2019
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an attempt by who?
Aug 30th 2019
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      Short answer is the everyday citizen. Long answer is the corporations...
Aug 30th 2019
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           huh?
Aug 30th 2019
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                stop playing dumb...you know what that poster means
Aug 30th 2019
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                     excuse me but was I talking to you?
Sep 02nd 2019
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RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?
Aug 30th 2019
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an excellent critical analysis.
Sep 02nd 2019
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Thank you for asking the questions
Sep 02nd 2019
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^ This is why I love you!
Sep 04th 2019
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      thanks friend
Sep 09th 2019
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annoying folks mad at even more annoying people; mostly a strawman.
Aug 30th 2019
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um, love u but that made no sense.
Sep 02nd 2019
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      Mynoriti articulated it better.
Sep 04th 2019
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RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?
Aug 30th 2019
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This is cancel culture
Aug 30th 2019
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Kind of like this
Sep 01st 2019
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I can't get past the blatant misuse of the word "Culture"
Sep 01st 2019
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Mad annoying
Sep 01st 2019
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it's more call-out than cancel, and its mostly self righteous bs
Sep 02nd 2019
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i'm more interested in answers to those specific questions..
Sep 02nd 2019
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      A general convo about PC but only with my specific questions
Sep 02nd 2019
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           those questions are a clarifying starting point
Sep 02nd 2019
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                happy labor day
Sep 02nd 2019
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"Political Correctness" is just a catch all, buzz word
Sep 03rd 2019
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nothingburger applies here lol
Sep 03rd 2019
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That's a good point.
Sep 04th 2019
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      the right are on some fake outrage as much as anyone
Sep 04th 2019
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      I don't know if that is fake outrage as much as hypocritical.
Sep 04th 2019
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      nah its fake
Sep 04th 2019
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           Anything to avoid the actual police brutality convo
Sep 04th 2019
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           Oh I agree with that. I am just saying that they are actually outraged....
Sep 04th 2019
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      man, that is one of the KEY tools of their trade.
Sep 04th 2019
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           yup
Sep 04th 2019
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      at one point i used the term guys
Sep 04th 2019
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      Yeeeeerooowwwww
Sep 04th 2019
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      someone who wasn't you had a conversation you didn't like
Sep 04th 2019
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eh, I'm deleting
Sep 04th 2019
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Frank: I am going to cancel this topic.
Sep 04th 2019
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can you just delete Damali?
Sep 05th 2019
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      hold up. why would we want to delete her? she just asked questions
Sep 05th 2019
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people like to drop it's ineffectiveness as proof it isn't real
Sep 09th 2019
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I love that you typed out this ridiculous shit
Sep 09th 2019
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point out the fury
Sep 10th 2019
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yup
Sep 13th 2019
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RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?
Sep 10th 2019
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connecting nipplegate and facebook in 2004 is a stretch and a half, man
Sep 13th 2019
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Adwhizz
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1. "Most of the people visibly harmed by cancel culture was due to actual"
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Legal action : R Kelly, Cosby, Kevin Spacey.


Louis CK has had his shows removed from platforms so he's probably losing money from that and he had his movie that was getting ready to premier got cancelled

Behind the scenes we don't necessarily know what if any possible deals people lost out on as a result of bad press.

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2. "so then were they harmed by cancel culture? or their own bad behavior?"
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>Legal action : R Kelly, Cosby, Kevin Spacey.
>
that's why we need to first define "cancel culture"...its a pretty big catchall.

>Louis CK has had his shows removed from platforms so he's
>probably losing money from that and he had his movie that was
>getting ready to premier got cancelled

again, is this because of "cancel culture" or because he used his position of power to cause harm to others?

>Behind the scenes we don't necessarily know what if any
>possible deals people lost out on as a result of bad press.

so then we're saying cancel culture is bad press?


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8. "Bad press, bad social media coverage, losing income"
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People getting their material removed from media platforms.

I don't know if any of these people have had their live shows protested or anything (although Louis CK did have at least one lady show up to his show and dare him to start masturbating. But Hecklers have always been a part of comedy)

You can slow down somebody's momentum but If they're good enough at what they do/have a loyal enough fanbase it's really hard to TOTALLY stop somebody from having a career in comedy/music.

I guess LITERALLY canceling somebody would be to go out and MURDER them

>>Behind the scenes we don't necessarily know what if any
>>possible deals people lost out on as a result of bad press.
>
>so then we're saying cancel culture is bad press?
>
>
>d
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51. "RE: Bad press, bad social media coverage, losing income"
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>People getting their material removed from media platforms.

like who?


>
>I don't know if any of these people have had their live shows
>protested or anything (although Louis CK did have at least one
>lady show up to his show and dare him to start masturbating.
>But Hecklers have always been a part of comedy)

yeah that's pretty minor.


>You can slow down somebody's momentum but If they're good
>enough at what they do/have a loyal enough fanbase it's really
>hard to TOTALLY stop somebody from having a career in
>comedy/music.

exactly. cuz generally, no one is ENTITLED to a certain level of success in a popularity contest (which is ultimately what alot of the entertainment business is). you're hot one minute and not the next. what you do or say, as a person, affects that (or not), and it always has.


>I guess LITERALLY canceling somebody would be to go out and
>MURDER them

exactly.


>>>Behind the scenes we don't necessarily know what if any
>>>possible deals people lost out on as a result of bad press.

exactly. we don't know.

so I think you've proven that "cancel culture" is a fantasy that has no real power or teeth.

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9. "100."
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>>Legal action : R Kelly, Cosby, Kevin Spacey.
>>
>that's why we need to first define "cancel culture"...its a
>pretty big catchall.
>
>>Louis CK has had his shows removed from platforms so he's
>>probably losing money from that and he had his movie that
>was
>>getting ready to premier got cancelled
>
>again, is this because of "cancel culture" or because he used
>his position of power to cause harm to others?
>
>>Behind the scenes we don't necessarily know what if any
>>possible deals people lost out on as a result of bad press.
>
>so then we're saying cancel culture is bad press?
>
>
>d
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10. "I thought it was a reference to people LITERALLY saying"
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"__________ is cancelled" after their misdeeds came to light


I don't really use Twitter, I don't know if people are still hashtagging that

Not saying the people named DON'T deserve to face negative consequences if there's credible claims against them

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11. "Looking at Spacey's IMDb page, THAT dude got cancelled for real"
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He hasn't done shit SINCE that weird self produced short he made right after shit fell apart

I would have at least thought he could get work in some type of low budget movies

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13. "it took nearly 15 years after dude's proclivities were made fun of"
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on a primetime network TV show.

https://ew.com/tv/2018/01/04/family-guy-producers-kevin-spacey-joke/

and his train didn't stop until it got legally sticky for him. if that's cancel culture, shit it hasn't gone far enough

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3. "People being "cancelled" isn't REALLY a thing."
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I mean, it kinda happens in the case of legal issues - Cosby, etc. But even still, I watch The Cosby Show on Amazon cause it's still dope as hell.

But it's shooting daggers at a public person for awhile until the next person takes their place, I guess.

ENTIRELY possible folks have lost out on money and opportunities. I have conversations all the time about, "Well, can we work with *insert name here*? They're....wildly problematic." but that's as far as that goes. And it fades.

People get mad and that's nothing new, but the widespread outrage dies as fast as it happens.

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25. "yes. public people have faced scrutiny forever"
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that's a part of being a public figure. nothing new at all about that

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4. "Cancel Culture doesn't exist"
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it is only a point when it comes to Black folks specifically Black men.

Bill Cosby to be specific.

No one is banning Weinstein movies

No one is banning Woody Allen movies

No one is banning Spacey movies

Its a twitter trend that is over blown

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5. "The Cosby Show still comes on TV."
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6. "I saw you on Aqua teen hunger force"
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26. "you clearly don't pay attention to the news at all"
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oh and fuck Bill Cosby

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33. "Lol "
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what a leap in logic you have there

Either way what I said is FACTS.

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41. "Ugh, if you think those are facts, you're outta your league here lol"
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cheers to you tho.

*tips hat*

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7. "I'm getting annoyed with how ridiculous PCness has gotten"
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IT seems like everyone is looking for something to get outraged over. I feel like we know what the big things are that should not be tolerated, but a comic making jokes, people need to calm down, a comic being a sexual creep, yes let him serve out his punishment.

There is no forgiving and moving on, its remembering every little offense and never telling it go.

Everyone is talking at each other. There are people who exploit and are good at feeding the outrage. So instead of having a conversation it turns to a shouting match.

I don't really participate in social media so I miss out on all the twitter outrage and I prefer that.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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12. "so, you don't actually experience any of the things you don't like"
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but you just assume they exist

and are bad

and you're offended by your imagination.


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15. "Have I experienced PC and cancel culture personally, no."
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Because I don't participate, doesn't mean I don't hear about it.

As I allude to in my 1st post, I feel that certain offenses get blow out of proportion and instead of it helping to teach and learn from, it becomes a rallying cry to take away everything.

Again, I think not all offenses are created equal.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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31. "so you've never actually experienced it. but someone told you it exists"
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and you got outraged by that.

and you cancelled something you imagined.

you are cancel culture.

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50. "so then"
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>Because I don't participate, doesn't mean I don't hear about
>it.

Have you ever thought that what you've heard about it might not be true?

>As I allude to in my 1st post, I feel that certain offenses
>get blow out of proportion and instead of it helping to teach
>and learn from, it becomes a rallying cry to take away
>everything.

can you be more specific? what exactly are you referring to? this is very vague.

>Again, I think not all offenses are created equal.

okayyyyy meaning what?

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27. "you didn't define it though. What exactly is PCness?"
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>IT seems like everyone is looking for something to get
>outraged over. I feel like we know what the big things are
>that should not be tolerated,

really? so what are those big things?

but a comic making jokes, people
>need to calm down, a comic being a sexual creep, yes let him
>serve out his punishment.
>
>There is no forgiving and moving on, its remembering every
>little offense and never telling it go.

and who is doing this? and how has it harmed who exactly?

>Everyone is talking at each other. There are people who
>exploit and are good at feeding the outrage. So instead of
>having a conversation it turns to a shouting match.
>
>I don't really participate in social media so I miss out on
>all the twitter outrage and I prefer that.

so then how do you know about it?

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35. "Protecting the the culture of whiteness"
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which is enforced as "mainstream" mentality via media, art, music, movies, socialization, education, health, science, war, psychology etc.

Anything outside of that is politically incorrect.

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39. "Yuuuup"
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42. "um, are you walihorse? that's who I was talking to. "
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14. "Go tell it the the KKK"
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They're even madder than you are about the big bad PC people.

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19. "um where did I say I'm mad?"
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or have you assumed that to fit your narrative around me?

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16. "RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?"
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1. What is PC or Cancel Culture?
It doesn't *really* exist.
They're both white liberal, performative pearl-clutching. Such as they do exist, they only exist to silence, pathologize & punish working class Black people in general, and Black men, in particular. And occasionaly to quietly dump inconvenient white people.

2. Who exactly has PC/Cancel culture actually harmed?
Materially? Working class Black people, but especially Black men.

3. What are the specific losses they have suffered?
Like every other form of American Liberalism, discussions about policy and how material reality shapes lives is replaced by performative morality. So instead of discussing policies to alleviate poverty, or policies that push for a familial rights to protect our communities, we find ourselves talking about celebrities and media, as if the lives of millionaires are analogous/influential to working poor Black people.

R Kelly becomes a stand in for the sex trafficking of Black girls, when his situation is miles from the norm of how our Black girls get into sex work.
The VAAAAST majority of Black men aren't pedos, but because Kells is a Black man, we all have to prove we ain't Kells to the Cancellers.

And then to show how good we are, we claim to "cancel" people who like his music, as if they themselves created the conditions that made it possible for Kellz to be foul as fuck.

But we got no heat for label heads, radio programmers, Disney, or any of the white power structure that paid for and profitted from & promoted dudes work.
And we don't even *look at* the real causes of sex trafficking and abuse in our communities.

It's bullshit

  

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shut up already, damn

  

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22. "RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?"
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Fri Aug-30-19 12:34 PM by Damali

          

>1. What is PC or Cancel Culture?
>It doesn't *really* exist.
>They're both white liberal, performative pearl-clutching. Such
>as they do exist, they only exist to silence, pathologize &
>punish working class Black people in general, and Black men,
>in particular. And occasionaly to quietly dump inconvenient
>white people.

I'm genuinely confused at how it doesn't really exist but does, at the same time.

>2. Who exactly has PC/Cancel culture actually harmed?
>Materially? Working class Black people, but especially Black
>men.

>3. What are the specific losses they have suffered?
>Like every other form of American Liberalism, discussions
>about policy and how material reality shapes lives is replaced
>by performative morality. So instead of discussing policies to
>alleviate poverty, or policies that push for a familial rights
>to protect our communities, we find ourselves talking about
>celebrities and media, as if the lives of millionaires are
>analogous/influential to working poor Black people.

All of that is the mechanisms of White Supremacy, which is woven into the fabric of this country and everything its about. I don't see how you can attribute any of that to a phantom concept called "cancel culture" that Black men and white men alike complain loudly about.

What you're missing in all of that is how patriarchy comes into play, and the harm that does to women, whiich is a blindspot of most American men...so I'm not surprised. It seems easy for you to see how things affect you, but not how shit affects us.


>R Kelly becomes a stand in for the sex trafficking of Black
>girls, when his situation is miles from the norm of how our
>Black girls get into sex work.

ah and here it is.

to be clear, he is a RAPIST, CHILD MOLESTING SEX TRAFFICER. period. waxing poetic on what he symbolizes gives the appearance that that is far more important than the extreme traumatizing harm he has done to those girls for DECADES.

He is the worst person to hang your "look how Black men are treated" hat. Sorry. nope. That's an epic logical fail right there.

>The VAAAAST majority of Black men aren't pedos, but because
>Kells is a Black man, we all have to prove we ain't Kells to
>the Cancellers.
>
>And then to show how good we are, we claim to "cancel" people
>who like his music, as if they themselves created the
>conditions that made it possible for Kellz to be foul as
>fuck.


i hear this complaint alot and you gotta understand his crimes don't exist in a vacuum.

His music, and the income from it, the industry's protection of him, specifically enabled him to have the means to do the things he did. So sorry, yes streaming his music or providing him any reason to receive royalties etc can be argued to be enabling him.

Whether you agree or not, you can say that isn't a valid argument.


>But we got no heat for label heads, radio programmers, Disney,
>or any of the white power structure that paid for and
>profitted from & promoted dudes work.

I have seen lots of heat in the that direction.


>And we don't even *look at* the real causes of sex trafficking
>and abuse in our communities.

who is we cuz women have been SCREAMING about this from the rooftops.

quite honestly, the people that don't want to examine the root causes of abuse in the Black community is BLACK MEN. Because it would cause y'all to have to examine your own attitudes towards girls and women.



>It's bullshit

I agree.

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30. "you literally just did exactly what I said the problem with this shit is"
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no diss, but re-read my reply.
You just made up a bunch of strawmen arguments, threw out the words "patriarchy" and "misogyny", threw in a dash of "BLACK MEN ARE TERRIBLE" and peaced out like Sexual Chocolates, lol
It's Friday, I'm gonna go drink with real human beings, so I ain't getting into all this...BUT

The saying "If all you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail" is hella relevant, lol

  

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44. "not surprised that this was your response"
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"BLACK
>MEN ARE TERRIBLE" and peaced out like Sexual Chocolates, lol
>It's Friday, I'm gonna go drink with real human beings, so I
>ain't getting into all this...BUT

the fact that you read what I wrote and interpreted that as BLACK MEN ARE TERRIBLE says alot about your inability to do any kind of introspection about how black women are treated and viewed by black men. very on-brand for this website too.

noted.

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54. "you need to develop more tools"
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that hammer ain't working.

  

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56. "as if I'm invested in you LOL"
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get over yourself

the fuck i care what is or isn't working

i said what I said. and?

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58. "you're wrong as hell?"
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and incapable of having a discussion that doesn't devolve into buzzwords about this issue?
And as a result you miss a ton of nuance that actually will help people/facilitate understanding?
Quoting sassy reality TV people doesn't really do anything.

  

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18. "It's an attempt to control language, and thus control thought"
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Plain and simple.

It's all about control.


The concept of "Cancelling" someone seems frighteningly-close to a concept straight out of 1984: an un-person https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unperson

  

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20. "an attempt by who?"
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23. "Short answer is the everyday citizen. Long answer is the corporations..."
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...that exploit the everyday citizen. The people that write letters, make phone calls, stage boycotts and protests, send emails/texts/etc.


The answer #3 (who loses): Almost everyone.


  

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29. "huh?"
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>...that exploit the everyday citizen. The people that write
>letters, make phone calls, stage boycotts and protests, send
>emails/texts/etc.

that answer is confusing and devoid of any context.

So you're saying the citizens that are exploited are writing letters, protesting and etc? Is it because they are being exploited? and if so, how is it bad that they are protesting/boycotting to end their own exploitation?

>The answer #3 (who loses): Almost everyone.

how?

  

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34. "stop playing dumb...you know what that poster means"
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and they’re right 100%.

You disagree and you’re the enemy shit is lame.

  

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40. "excuse me but was I talking to you?"
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asking someone to explain their opionion detail isn't playing dumb.

I'm interested in how folks think and approach this issue and yes, challenging them to explain is what a conversation is.

if that upsets you, then so sorry to hurt your brain LOL

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21. "RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?"
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>I actually have three very specific questions:
>
>
>1. What is PC or Cancel Culture?

A culture that seeks to eliminate hypocritical distinctions held by privileged members of popular culture. The main adherents to PC Culture or Cancel Culture promote equity, egalitarianism, and behaviors that align with holding privileged members of racial, gender, and economic groups accountable for moral and ethical transgressions.

>2. Who exactly has PC/Cancel culture actually harmed?

PC Culture has kept many bigots from being able to spew their bigoted ideas on race, gender, and class on mainstream media platforms. White supremacists that have redefined themselves as "conservatives" feel like their right to free speech/press is inhibited, so do religious zealots who feel like their right to religious freedom is harmed, neo-confederates feel like their right to have a redress of grievances by the government is harmed because the union won. Misogynists feel harmed by women, namely feminists, being able to say whatever they want, when they want, on massive platforms. It's really all about the first amendment.

>
>3. What are the specific losses they have suffered?

Conservatives lost a great deal of political power by not being able to propagandize the voting populace with outright bigoted views on mass media platforms. They lost the ability to discriminate against people on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, creed, and nationality in housing, employment, education, and commerce.


>I really want to parse this out because these terms get thrown
>around so much so we should probably all know what we are each
>really talking about here.
>
>d


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46. "an excellent critical analysis."
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>>I actually have three very specific questions:
>>
>>
>>1. What is PC or Cancel Culture?
>
>A culture that seeks to eliminate hypocritical distinctions
>held by privileged members of popular culture. The main
>adherents to PC Culture or Cancel Culture promote equity,
>egalitarianism, and behaviors that align with holding
>privileged members of racial, gender, and economic groups
>accountable for moral and ethical transgressions.

I can't even tell you how many times I've read this over. Well said.

>>2. Who exactly has PC/Cancel culture actually harmed?
>
>PC Culture has kept many bigots from being able to spew their
>bigoted ideas on race, gender, and class on mainstream media
>platforms. White supremacists that have redefined themselves
>as "conservatives" feel like their right to free speech/press
>is inhibited, so do religious zealots who feel like their
>right to religious freedom is harmed, neo-confederates feel
>like their right to have a redress of grievances by the
>government is harmed because the union won. Misogynists feel
>harmed by women, namely feminists, being able to say whatever
>they want, when they want, on massive platforms. It's really
>all about the first amendment.

yes yes and yes.

>>3. What are the specific losses they have suffered?
>
>Conservatives lost a great deal of political power by not
>being able to propagandize the voting populace with outright
>bigoted views on mass media platforms. They lost the ability
>to discriminate against people on the basis of race, gender,
>sexual orientation, religion, creed, and nationality in
>housing, employment, education, and commerce.

thank you, again, for taking the time.

d

  

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48. "Thank you for asking the questions"
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73. "^ This is why I love you!"
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Using words and common sense on a regular basis.
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77. "thanks friend"
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24. "annoying folks mad at even more annoying people; mostly a strawman."
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the "culture" is a handful of performative, Folgers can sniffing "woke" white liberals and their exceptional black friends on social media.

when the "PC" argument happens with people/things in the public sphere, it's mostly CORPORATE actions brought about by bad PR fostered by the above.

  

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52. "um, love u but that made no sense."
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64. "Mynoriti articulated it better."
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"cancel culture" is a catch-all term for people who call out others for things that are "bad". that much is real. people don't always get "cancelled", but the "call outs" are often geared toward that goal more than they are educating the "offenders" about the behavior, hence it being called such.

it's sometimes a strawman, because the call outs don't always come.

now, on the other side of the fence:

the "culture" that often complains of "cancel culture" or "SJWs" or some other placeholder, are reacting to something being censored, something being criticized, or the like... the actual cancelling/censoring they're complaining about is not coming from those calling out, but from the corporate entities that hold domain over the "called out". and that's where I think their ire should be directed.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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28. "RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?"
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>I actually have three very specific questions:
>
>
>1. What is PC or Cancel Culture?
It's something where if someone said/done anything incendiary in the past they should be "banished" from society.
>
>2. Who exactly has PC/Cancel culture actually harmed?
Most people deserve it because they either harmed/terrorized other people, have not shown any contrition for what they've said/done, or have tried to sweep things under the rug.
But you have cases like Aziz Ansari, who got railroaded over a bad date.
>
>3. What are the specific losses they have suffered?
Some monetary. Sarah Silverman lost a job recently, and others take a massive hit to their reputation.
>
>I really want to parse this out because these terms get thrown
>around so much so we should probably all know what we are each
>really talking about here.
My thing is don't say/do stupid shit and you have nothing to worry about. However stupid is relative
>d

Abdul Jabbar, Muggsy Malone you
I don't know what that means but you know what I meant when I told you (c) Sean Price

  

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32. "This is cancel culture"
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37. "Kind of like this"
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36. "I can't get past the blatant misuse of the word "Culture""
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38. "Mad annoying"
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More twitter shit tho like "performative wokeness" "virtue signalling" and other annoying ass terms


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43. "it's more call-out than cancel, and its mostly self righteous bs"
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lotta people trying to show what a good person they are by being woker than though assholes

i'm hesitant to call it cancel culture because people will throw out the "well X still has a career, so who got cancelled?" defense. but it ain't always from lack of trying.

and yeah lots of folks whine about PCness to a point where they're just demonstrating the very victimhood they're bitching about, but that also doesn't mean PC just is some made up boogeyman either.


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45. "i'm more interested in answers to those specific questions.."
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from your point of view..

what exactly is "PCness"? etc

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47. "A general convo about PC but only with my specific questions"
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good luck ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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49. "those questions are a clarifying starting point"
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my post was specific.

i found you reply whiny so I was giving you a chance to redeem yourself lol

*kanyeshrug*

  

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53. "happy labor day "
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55. ""Political Correctness" is just a catch all, buzz word"
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More than likely created in a think tank somewhere.

It's such a good use of negative messaging that NOBODY has a positive view of the term and EVERYONE regardless of their social-political position is able to come up with a definition of how it's hindering them in some way.

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57. "nothingburger applies here lol"
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59. "That's a good point. "
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I read something recently about the right wings pivot from the cold war to PC Culture.

It's one of those words like "Pro Abortion" or "Racism" that no one will copt to being for.


I find Political Correctness to be a mild annoyance rather than, as people like Newt Gingrinch, Trump or even David Brooks, consider a big problem in this country.

I had a homegirl who works at a young company who was chewed out because she used the term "guys" in a meeting to refer to the mixed group. Anyone who insists on correcting a person for using the term "guy" is as annoying as the person who wants to correct how I pronounce Gyyro.





>More than likely created in a think tank somewhere.
>
>It's such a good use of negative messaging that NOBODY has a
>positive view of the term and EVERYONE regardless of their
>social-political position is able to come up with a definition
>of how it's hindering them in some way.


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60. "the right are on some fake outrage as much as anyone"
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they interpret 'happy holidays' as not being inclusive, but aggressively anti-christian

a few years ago they were insisting we call billionaires job creators instead because billionaire was offensive and mean

they automatically interpreted black lives matter as only black lives matter

they automatically interpreted Kaep kneeling as i hate america, no matter how many times his intent was explained.

they know these things aren't meant as offensive but pretend to be offended anyway.

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62. "I don't know if that is fake outrage as much as hypocritical. "
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68. "nah its fake"
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at least 95% of it is

leave aside that anthem kneeling isn't even disruptive, people don't want to admit they just don't like it, and they should know their place, so they pretend that an atnthem kneeler is an attacker who is aggressively disrespecting america and the troops. It makes people feel better about themselves for not giving a shit about whatever they're trying to draw attention to. it makes them the good guy

people know happy holidays isn't something born out of malice. i want everyone to say merry christmas so i'm gonna pretend happy holidays is an attack on my beliefs

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70. "Anything to avoid the actual police brutality convo"
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shut up already, damn

  

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71. "Oh I agree with that. I am just saying that they are actually outraged...."
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But I get your point they aren't being outraged about the thing they say they are being outraged about.


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65. "man, that is one of the KEY tools of their trade."
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whole "Contract With America" in the 1990s was outrage over...


...a Democratic President trying to enact universal healthcare

  

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69. "yup"
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it's a trip how they've managed to make this look like its something exclusive to the left

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61. "at one point i used the term guys"
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when talking to a group of transgender women going to lobby congress for the passage of the Employment Nondiscrimination Act. Nobody chewed me out.

Also, this is why the "cancel Culture" discussion is really about "safe spaces" "trigger warnings" "harm" and other terms that are meant to identify when a speaker or actor has a malicious intent in their description of differences. Not everyone has a malicious intent and many people carry their prejudices into environments where they may not even be aware of how their language is disrespectful. The problem is that there are so many large groups of people that are socialized in "toxic" environments and there are so many identities that are gaining a platform for expression, that the interaction of cultures on social media is confusing for some people of privilege to understand their place when navigating in oppressed cultures. That viral video of Ta-nehisi Coates explaining why white people saying the word "nigga" is wrong comes to mind.

That's the difference between a resident of West Baltimore saying "west baltimore is rat infested" and Donald Trump saying "west baltimore is rat infested." One of us has an ulterior motive that is malicious in intent, generally to deflect from taking responsibility. If I was to be saying the same thing, there would be issues of class that may cause offense because city dwellers are on guard against bougie people from the county who have alienated them and segregated them economically into these rat infested ghettoes.


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67. "Yeeeeerooowwwww"
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I hate those people.

shut up already, damn

  

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72. "someone who wasn't you had a conversation you didn't like"
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and you're still using it as an example.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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63. "eh, I'm deleting"
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I just don't feel like dealing with the responses that'll come. Suffice it to say, I think "Cancel Culture" isn't really a thing. Too many of the Cancelled still work plenty for that to be real.

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66. "Frank: I am going to cancel this topic. "
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Also Frank: I don't believe Cancel Culture is a thing.

4 the lulz.

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74. "can you just delete Damali? "
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75. "hold up. why would we want to delete her? she just asked questions"
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76. "people like to drop it's ineffectiveness as proof it isn't real"
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but it's not so much about cancels being permanent or devestating...of course the powerful can navigate around it...regular people get cancelled every day though

it may even "feel" warranted more often than not

it's about just how easy it is to weaponize outrage though

it's like a lot of social issues that i differ from popular progressive theory over...

it's ineffectiveness shouldn't be a reason to debate it's existence or squabble over the semantics of it...it should be an argument for why it's not worth it since if anything...it rarely does what it intends to do for long enough to matter and it's often yet another vehicle for groupthink

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78. "I love that you typed out this ridiculous shit"
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and how you explained your fury over something that you admit you can't prove exists, has no impact on anyone and isn't a thing.

thank you friend.

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79. "point out the fury"
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and why reply if you arent going to disupte it nor offer quality snark?

performative fuckboi

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81. "yup"
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80. "RE: Can we have a general convo about PC Culture / Cancel Culture?"
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Cosby and R kelly are not adequate examples of Cancel Culture. Those two are actual criminals who are now being ostracized by society, like most criminals who break the law, regardless of their fame.

Cancel Culture is an unreasonable movement, where people cancel, degrade, shun, or blacklist individuals because those individuals exhibit beliefs, feelings, statements, actions or ideas that are different or opposite of the movement ( or opposite of their beliefs). Usually, these people react off of allegations, speculation, and gossip when it comes to passing judgement. They don't research or ascertain information before they past judgment.

They feel that their ideas or beliefs are greater and more important than one's freedom of speech or freedom of choice. If the choice or action does not correlate or fall in line with the masses of Cancel Culture, then it is deemed not proper or incorrect.

It's a movement that originated from the internet and social media.

Example of cancel culture goes all the way back to beginning of social
media, 2004 ( facebook came about), with the Janet Jackson nipple controversy. Janet Jackson flashed a breast during her superbowl dance routine. Even though the areola was covered, social media was outraged with her actions, and she has been blacklisted ever since. She was the biggest entertainer in the world at the time, and the queen of pop. Everything she accomplished and built as one of the greatest song/dance acts of all time was all destroyed in one night.


That was the beginning of Cancel Culture/PC

Ironically, Michael's legacy has found a way to survive no matter how much they try to tear it down. They were trying to get radio stations to cancel the play of his music, but it never came to fruition. Mike's worldwide fan base, love and appreciation are just too strong...especially with Asians and Middle Easterns.

Also, accusing past artist of Color Appropriation is also a part of Cancel Culture/PC

Now, they are gunning for Elvis and accusing the man of Culture Appropriation, where all he did was praise black entertainers, perform with black entertainers, and stated that his music didn't come from him, but from black blues artist in the Delta. And all the great black entertainers respected him : James Brown, Little Richard, hell black Civil Rights leader Julian Bond used his song as a theme song.

I'm so glad that white soulful artists like Bobby Caldwell, Michael Mcdonald, Bob James, ad Jamiroqui are not of this era. They would be gunning for them too. Can you imagine the flack that Wild Cherry and Average White Band would have gotten in this day and age as a white soul band?




  

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82. "connecting nipplegate and facebook in 2004 is a stretch and a half, man"
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the news media was blowing it up. no one knew what facebook was

>Example of cancel culture goes all the way back to beginning
>of social
>media, 2004 ( facebook came about), with the Janet Jackson
>nipple controversy. Janet Jackson flashed a breast during her
>superbowl dance routine. Even though the areola was covered,
>social media was outraged with her actions, and she has been
>blacklisted ever since. She was the biggest entertainer in the
>world at the time, and the queen of pop. Everything she
>accomplished and built as one of the greatest song/dance acts
>of all time was all destroyed in one night.

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