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"about #ADOS"


  

          

is there a Law Firm representing the movement?

any Lobbyists?

yes, i understand Antonio Moore is a lawyer

Yvette is toxic

  

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Money is the root of all evil. ADOS movement is not what we need.
Jul 05th 2019
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When you see how much that post etc. becomes about who gets reparations
Jul 05th 2019
2
I don’t think this was outside forces
Jul 05th 2019
4
Folks act like they just started dealing with racists yesterday
Jul 05th 2019
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      I agree except their division has worked time and again
Jul 05th 2019
21
           People are making this up tho...
Jul 05th 2019
71
Its so sad how ignorant people are about the inception of #ADOS
Jul 05th 2019
11
      That's cool, but what about the immigration argument
Jul 05th 2019
14
      What point about immigration?
Jul 05th 2019
17
      No, I actually don't care about the reparations argument
Jul 05th 2019
18
           Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification
Jul 05th 2019
25
           Illegal immigration drives down wages
Jul 05th 2019
67
      What is the *so-called immigration argument?
Jul 06th 2019
77
      Money is the root of all evil. ADOS movement is not what we need.
Jul 05th 2019
27
           Coon shit is the root of all evil. Coon ninjaz is not what we need.
Jul 06th 2019
74
           That's a misquote. "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil"
Jul 06th 2019
75
                thank you
Aug 12th 2020
179
During the political season Black folks always become a failed Peloton
Jul 05th 2019
3
This isn’t true. We still vote overwhelmingly Dem
Jul 05th 2019
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      The issue isn't the debate as much as it's hard not to notice
Jul 05th 2019
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      Not sure I follow the immigration/suffering connection
Jul 05th 2019
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      Nah
Jul 05th 2019
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           Making a distinction doesn’t negate their experience or blackness
Jul 05th 2019
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                I agree making a distinction doesn’t negate their experience or blackn...
Jul 05th 2019
26
                     But I think this is such a rare occurence
Jul 05th 2019
28
                     How rare ?
Jul 05th 2019
36
                          I always viewed it as some college rivalry stuff
Jul 05th 2019
39
                               ohhhh that was just jokes
Jul 05th 2019
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                               It was jokes? Oh.. ok.
Jul 05th 2019
44
                     Definitely depends on the context
Jul 05th 2019
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                          True
Jul 05th 2019
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      I'm saying that we always fall down and take out any kind of leader
Jul 05th 2019
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           This may be true nationally
Jul 05th 2019
10
           I'm talking about nationally
Jul 05th 2019
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                We only make up 13% of the population and once you add incarceration
Jul 05th 2019
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                     We ride for both and put them on the same ticket - BUT
Jul 05th 2019
30
           No
Jul 05th 2019
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                RE: Yes
Jul 05th 2019
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                Still no
Jul 05th 2019
23
                     You seem like you hate accountability and love blame.
Jul 05th 2019
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                          Nah. You aren’t making sense fam
Jul 05th 2019
32
                          Let me set this clear.
Jul 05th 2019
34
                               How do we start off good?
Jul 05th 2019
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                                    We don't. I made up. Forget it all.
Jul 05th 2019
66
                          You are worshiping the white man
Jul 05th 2019
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                               Faceplam! Ok. King of the Black People
Jul 05th 2019
40
                                    Thank you Uncle Ruckus
Jul 05th 2019
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                                         Clown! Keep Shufflin to the Land of Nowhere and Stuck
Jul 05th 2019
50
                                              Cowardly Ruckus try out a little courage and be brave
Jul 05th 2019
54
                                                   CRAB. You can't even see that we want the same thing.
Jul 05th 2019
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                                                        Ruckus we don't want the same thing. You will take anything. Not me
Jul 05th 2019
60
                                                             My Dude. SMH.
Jul 05th 2019
64
                                                                  Too early to pick
Jul 05th 2019
68
                how do you hold yt folks feet to the fire without a lobby or wealth?
Jul 05th 2019
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                     I was talking about holding Black folk feet to the fire because he said
Jul 05th 2019
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                          RE: I was talking about holding Black folk feet to the fire because he s...
Jul 05th 2019
55
Why not ask the source ?
Jul 05th 2019
13
look at who thinks it's a really good idea
Jul 05th 2019
22
america might just be too dumb for democracy.
Jul 05th 2019
35
^^^^^^^^
Jul 06th 2019
78
Look who doesn't... Umar Johnson
Jul 06th 2019
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      this is the dumbest shit I've ever read
Nov 11th 2019
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3 of the highest profile people pushing ados together right now
Jul 05th 2019
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*overstand*, hence my comment on Yvette, but i still had questions
Jul 05th 2019
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Damn
Jul 05th 2019
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What ?
Jul 05th 2019
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He left the names out b/c he knows he'd sound ridiculous
Jul 05th 2019
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      Yep
Jul 06th 2019
73
they also love accusing Obama of GIVING reparations to Indians
Jul 05th 2019
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I’m sure those law firms and lobbies had to hear a ton of claims too
Jul 05th 2019
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      that included still isnt just GIVING reparations to Indians as they clai...
Jul 05th 2019
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Which ones? Please cite these beefs. n/m
Jul 05th 2019
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cite deez nuts
Jul 05th 2019
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So you actually are making this up huh?
Jul 06th 2019
76
      Dude's on somebody's payroll
Jul 06th 2019
81
...
Jul 05th 2019
43
Information Literacy and Source Evaluation
Jul 05th 2019
56
Thank you for posting this response.
Jul 05th 2019
58
(access gaps) please, we choose to consume trash media
Jul 05th 2019
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Anyone not voting for the Dem nominee de to reparations is an idiot
Jul 05th 2019
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This is dumb.
Jul 06th 2019
82
niggas literally have devices that possess all the worlds information
Jul 07th 2019
83
^^^^ THIIIIIISSSSS!!!! active measures like a mf. and ppl big mad
Aug 16th 2020
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On one hand it sought to clear a path toward reparations ...
Jul 05th 2019
69
Don Jr was only fueling the fire we started on our own
Jul 05th 2019
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      Oh, I definitely get that, but I'm glad you said it instead.
Jul 06th 2019
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So ADOS has regressed into antagonizing African immigrants
Nov 01st 2019
84
Excuse me????
Nov 02nd 2019
85
No one cares about the Nigerian chick
Nov 02nd 2019
87
      It is our country do the research...
Nov 02nd 2019
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      so what country do we engage with to get better housing options?
Nov 02nd 2019
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           It's not our country and has never been.
Nov 11th 2019
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                Do you live outside the states
Nov 11th 2019
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                     No I'm all over the US
Nov 12th 2019
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RE: Boycotting the Harriet film...
Nov 02nd 2019
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      yall need to stop this ‘dangerous’ bullshit
Nov 11th 2019
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ADOS movement might have gotten to me but I do believe the Harriet
Nov 02nd 2019
90
P.O.S. King Flex wants to warn you about a Caribbean Crime Wave
Nov 11th 2019
91
Black Magic MAGA
Nov 11th 2019
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Is the story false?
Nov 11th 2019
95
you're the black mormon right
Nov 11th 2019
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      black mormon? is that a sovereign citizen?
Nov 12th 2019
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      No I am not an active black Mormon raised
Nov 12th 2019
103
           He didn’t ask if you were active or raised in the church
Nov 12th 2019
104
           Wait, a Black Mormon haha. Just STFU & listen here please
Nov 12th 2019
106
           Do you not see the irony of people judging the type of black person you ...
Nov 12th 2019
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           You guys keep running stop and hold..
Nov 12th 2019
120
           so that's not a no
Nov 12th 2019
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                That is an explicit no
Nov 12th 2019
119
                     you didn't ever join the LDS? was that someone else?
Nov 13th 2019
122
What's most troubling about Nasheed and his Nasheedians
Nov 12th 2019
105
      tariq is sounding like a right wing disinfo troll now.
Nov 12th 2019
111
      completely
Nov 12th 2019
113
      he doesn't misunderstand. he doesn't care.
Nov 13th 2019
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           I mostly agree with you on this
Nov 13th 2019
126
Did Yvette ever talk about why she was MAGA'd out?
Nov 12th 2019
100
Yes
Nov 12th 2019
102
ADOS' best hope is Kamala Harris
Nov 12th 2019
108
Why Kamala Harris
Nov 12th 2019
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      she is to ados what hillary clinton is to fox news.
Nov 12th 2019
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      Easy
Nov 12th 2019
118
           Interesting
Nov 14th 2019
139
                Those are valid concerns
Nov 14th 2019
148
                     Fair enough
Nov 14th 2019
151
tariq nasheed and boyce watkins seem to be distancing themselves
Nov 12th 2019
110
Nah Tariq gave his side and the history.
Nov 12th 2019
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i def aint sitting through no 2 hour tariq nasheed video.
Nov 12th 2019
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      Wait a min you can't go at him in two threads
Nov 12th 2019
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      thats exactly what im gonna do my man.
Nov 13th 2019
121
      Nigga, Tariq Nasheed would not watch Tariq Nasheed for 2 hours
Nov 23rd 2019
153
           Dumbass
Nov 23rd 2019
157
      I sure as fuck can
Nov 13th 2019
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      LOL
Nov 13th 2019
127
           Who ?
Nov 13th 2019
129
           COLIN POWELL AF!!!!
Nov 23rd 2019
154
                Your mother is Colin Powell
Nov 23rd 2019
158
                     *Camron U Mad Gif*
Dec 03rd 2019
169
                          Nah Ruckus
Dec 03rd 2019
170
      main idea: please, #ADOS....stay on code.......before I roast y'all (c)
Nov 14th 2019
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the directive is simple....get blacks folks to NOT vote or to vote GOP
Nov 14th 2019
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i still cant get over the fact that we legit have a white supremacist
Nov 13th 2019
125
i can
Nov 13th 2019
128
these niggas will sell everyone back into slavery INCLUDING THEMSELVES
Nov 14th 2019
131
ADOS is a hashtag founded by agents
Nov 14th 2019
130
it's fucking hilarious
Nov 14th 2019
132
Wow
Nov 14th 2019
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a lot of these niggas really just want to be crackers
Nov 14th 2019
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Not only be crackers but treat other blk ppl like crackers treat all blk...
Nov 14th 2019
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      yeah, that's exactly what i meant
Nov 14th 2019
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EXACTLY!!!
Nov 14th 2019
137
.
Nov 14th 2019
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isn't it obvious, tho?
Nov 14th 2019
136
      I've had some discussions
Nov 14th 2019
140
           she dissed Dr. Claud Anderson....told me all i needed to know
Nov 14th 2019
141
                https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=1335...
Nov 14th 2019
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                     EXACTLY!
Nov 14th 2019
144
                          notice how he was completely baffled about Claud
Nov 14th 2019
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                               what makes it even more funny...see reply 79 in that same thread
Nov 14th 2019
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Talib Kweli & Dr Umar Johnson aint rolling with ADOS.
Nov 14th 2019
150
Fam
Nov 23rd 2019
152
Because they're stupid?
Nov 23rd 2019
155
The debate has always been weird to me because they acting like..
Nov 23rd 2019
156
it makes sense to put the cart before the horse
Nov 23rd 2019
159
      Ding, Ding. Ding. We have our answer!
Nov 25th 2019
162
Seemingly there are factions
Nov 23rd 2019
160
      Right. This and Tw3nty's comment about the World Bank and IMF
Nov 24th 2019
161
      You could make a case for actual nation building if you go to the WB/IMF
Dec 01st 2019
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           In what world are the IMF and WB NOT corporate scams?
Dec 04th 2019
172
                Some African countries would have collapsed if it weren't for the WB
Dec 05th 2019
173
      monolithic cultures never achieve... wait, what?!
Dec 02nd 2019
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           Stop
Dec 03rd 2019
167
                RE:
Dec 03rd 2019
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I am so HAPPY i have no idea what any of these acronyms mean
Nov 25th 2019
163
http://postmyimage.com/img2/931_DAC243BC_4FE9_4639_A77C_DD8D19.jpeg
Dec 02nd 2019
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LOL
Dec 03rd 2019
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lol
Apr 11th 2020
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what happened to this movement?
Apr 11th 2020
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oh they're still out there vibrating away
Apr 11th 2020
176
      oh ok last time i noticed some activity
Apr 11th 2020
177
imagine thinking a movement backed by Ann Coulter is a good thing
Aug 12th 2020
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She doesn't back it. She's trolling
Aug 12th 2020
180
      LOL ok
Aug 12th 2020
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      lulz
Aug 12th 2020
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      I guess one of the other worst people in the world of all time
Aug 13th 2020
183
W. Kamau Bell interviewed Yvette Carnell on his show United Shades
Aug 17th 2020
185

FLUIDJ
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1. "Money is the root of all evil. ADOS movement is not what we need."
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Black and black are just fine and keep things among "us".
I'm still not convinced that this wasn't something cooked up by outsiders..


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2. "When you see how much that post etc. becomes about who gets reparations"
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>I'm still not convinced that this wasn't something cooked up
>by outsiders..

This part becomes harder not to notice. Like that shit probably isn't happening, but trying to get the black voting block arguing among themselves about money and forgetting any other real concern they could have to bring up feels like a trap.

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4. "I don’t think this was outside forces"
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and I don’t know how we can have this discussion without white folk chiming in since it’s being discussed online.

Doesn’t matter what they say tho, it’s about what we say regarding our differences and I don’t think there is anything wrong with pointing out the differences... especially since black people have no problem pointing it out to us when we are in closed settings.

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8. "Folks act like they just started dealing with racists yesterday"
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>and I don’t know how we can have this discussion without
>white folk chiming in since it’s being discussed online.


Right, and racists are always going to use ANYthing they can in order to cause confusion, especially exploiting our differences. It's always been true and will always be true.
If we fear racists exploiting our differences and trying to use our disagreements to sew confusion, we can never have any political conversation at all. That's just what racists do.


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21. "I agree except their division has worked time and again"
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So maybe folks are cognizant of it and attempt to call it out where they see it.

  

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71. "People are making this up tho..."
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and coincidentally, it's a couple of the same people who ridicule the very idea of much more viable conspiracy theories than this one that they're piecing together on nothing more than their own fear and paranoia.

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11. "Its so sad how ignorant people are about the inception of #ADOS"
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It was neither created by outsiders nor bots.
Thats the white narrative.

Here are the facts:
#ADOS was coined by a Brotha named Tone Talks, he has a radio platform on Zo Williams' DASH TALK NETWORK. Tone is also heavy on twitter.

The basic premise of the movement is pretty simple:

Each respective group of diasporic Africana should demand reparations from their respective colonizer:
(c)

Afro-Americana(ADOS) demanding directly from the American gov

Afro-Latinos/Afro-Carribana demanding directly from Spain/France/UK etc...


Its ok to disagree with it but ninjaz gotta at least have the facts about it so that you are making an informed disagreement free from white-media-fuckery.




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14. "That's cool, but what about the immigration argument"
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ADOS seems to have an anti-immigrant aspect of it's platform. Including black immigrants. I don't think most folks are arguing about restitution.

  

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17. "What point about immigration? "
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Please expound on this.

Do you have an issue with people pointing out that folks shouldn’t get reparations because they or their parents immigrated recently?


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18. "No, I actually don't care about the reparations argument"
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I don't think immigrants are going to be what's holding up reparations so I think the argument is a bit futile. What I've seen is ADOS folks objecting to the focus on immigration as being somehow anti ADOS or at least not focused enough on ADOS. I think it's odd given that 99 percent of other government and political priorities aren't either but aren't singled out.

  

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25. "Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification"
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I think it’s a healthy debate because our causes tend to get hijacked easily.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I think Affirmative Action actually benefitted white women the most.

https://www.vox.com/2016/5/25/11682950/fisher-supreme-court-white-women-affirmative-action


So I think it’s ok to try to make sure reparations are secured for who they were intended for in the first place.


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67. "Illegal immigration drives down wages"
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And working poor Black men are affected the most.
Illegal immigration also tends to lead to increased police presence in Black neighborhoods.

  

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77. "What is the *so-called immigration argument?"
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Or are you just talking out of your ass?




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27. "Money is the root of all evil. ADOS movement is not what we need."
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74. "Coon shit is the root of all evil. Coon ninjaz is not what we need."
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Had to fix it for you.

Peace....






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75. "That's a misquote. "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil""
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Is how it actually goes.

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179. "thank you"
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I was hoping someone would say that.

and THAT PART changes the dynamic

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3. "During the political season Black folks always become a failed Peloton"
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We start out in the right direction together and eventually get derailed and crash over many non-issues in the moment.


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5. "This isn’t true. We still vote overwhelmingly Dem "
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I can’t think of a more loyal voting block.

What frustrates me is how white folks can argue all day about this that and a third but anytime WE have internal debates it’s viewed as failing or being played by outside forces.

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6. "The issue isn't the debate as much as it's hard not to notice"
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That one side of the debate is leaning heavily on republican talking points. Convincing black folks to focus on immigration as the source of their suffering is some excellent jedi mind tricking.

I also wonder the demographics here. I'm from a place where black immigrants and black Americans largely form the same community. After a generation or two it's almost impossible to tell where someone's ancestry is from. I wonder if that's the same or different for the ADOS folks.

  

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9. "Not sure I follow the immigration/suffering connection"
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This isn’t about blaming immigrants.

It’s about distinguishing the difference between ADOS and 2nd generation blacks who live in America.

We shouldn’t get called Trumpsters, birthers, GOP pawns for making the distinction.

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12. "Nah"
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>That one side of the debate is leaning heavily on republican
>talking points. Convincing black folks to focus on immigration
>as the source of their suffering is some excellent jedi mind
>tricking.
>

Who is saying immigration is the source of their "suffering"(slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, racism, discrimination))

>I also wonder the demographics here. I'm from a place where
>black immigrants and black Americans largely form the same
>community. After a generation or two it's almost impossible to
>tell where someone's ancestry is from. I wonder if that's the
>same or different for the ADOS folks.

Sounds like you are trying to make it about immigration.

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15. "Making a distinction doesn’t negate their experience or blackness"
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I think that’s one of the reasons folks get in their feelings.

No one is saying 2nd and 3rd generations don’t face discrimination. Black Americans shouldn’t feel attacked these 2nd and 3rd generations remind us they aren’t exactly like us because they are Jamaican, Nigerian, etc.

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26. "I agree making a distinction doesn’t negate their experience or blackn..."
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>I think that’s one of the reasons folks get in their
>feelings.
>
>No one is saying 2nd and 3rd generations don’t face
>discrimination. Black Americans shouldn’t feel attacked
>these 2nd and 3rd generations remind us they aren’t exactly
>like us because they are Jamaican, Nigerian, etc.
>
>

I believe Black Americans feel attacked when 2nd and 3rd generations use the fact that they are Jamaican, Nigerian to criticize Black Americans and parrot the usual white talking points.

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28. "But I think this is such a rare occurence"
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Just like we all know some Black Americans who parrot racist white language and stereotypes about black folks from African and the Caribbean, but can all recognize that the opinions of a few are distinguishable from the masses who by and large recognize that whatever our origins, we are facing the same battles now.

  

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36. "How rare ?"
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They had threads on here with the B vs b right ?

I agree Black Americans do it to Black immigrants and it's wrong.

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39. "I always viewed it as some college rivalry stuff"
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always done with some jest and the understanding that everyone is kidding. I didn't realize folks were in here having serious conversations about which oppressed black people are better. Interesting.

  

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41. "ohhhh that was just jokes"
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>always done with some jest and the understanding that
>everyone is kidding. I didn't realize folks were in here
>having serious conversations about which oppressed black
>people are better. Interesting.

So when they talked about terms used by Black immigrants to disparage Black Americans it was only for laughs.

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44. "It was jokes? Oh.. ok. "
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I’ve had convos with elders who have spoke on this

They weren’t laughing.

My wife teaches dance so we have a lot of contact with Africans and it’s still present.

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31. "Definitely depends on the context "
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Someone proud of their roots doesn’t offend me at all.

It’s when Blacks are criticized and they slide to the left on some “we different” that comes across as a diss/attack.

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38. "True"
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It's issues on both sides.

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7. "I'm saying that we always fall down and take out any kind of leader"
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>I can’t think of a more loyal voting block.
>
>What frustrates me is how white folks can argue all day about
>this that and a third but anytime WE have internal debates
>it’s viewed as failing or being played by outside forces.
>
>

But we do. BLACK folks expect a person to have NO issues, ALWAYS, be on point for a leading cause, ALWAYS BE ULTRA BLACK for the RIGHT BLACK ISSUE. White folks care up until the voting day and they will cut off their hand/issue close their heart just to win.

BLACK Folks kill their own until nothing is left and then complain about there not being any good black candidate.






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10. "This may be true nationally"
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but it’s not true locally.

I can only agree with your premise if you are pointing to districts with majority black voters who eat their own and don’t elect Black officials.

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20. "I'm talking about nationally"
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24. "We only make up 13% of the population and once you add incarceration"
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the numbers don’t add up.

Plus you have 2 black candidates right now. Which one do we ride for?

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30. "We ride for both and put them on the same ticket - BUT"
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We'll tear them both down as folks did a few month's ago.
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16. "No "
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>
>But we do. BLACK folks expect a person to have NO issues,
>ALWAYS, be on point for a leading cause, ALWAYS BE ULTRA BLACK
>for the RIGHT BLACK ISSUE. White folks care up until the
>voting day and they will cut off their hand/issue close their
>heart just to win.
>

Nah you making up most of that. Nothing wrong with holding folks feet to the fire.

White folks are not perfect.

>BLACK Folks kill their own until nothing is left and then
>complain about there not being any good black candidate.
>
>

Sounds like you think the worst about Black folk and give the benefit of the doubt to whites.

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19. "RE: Yes"
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Fri Jul-05-19 10:58 AM by Case_One

          

>
>
>>
>>But we do. BLACK folks expect a person to have NO issues,
>>ALWAYS, be on point for a leading cause, ALWAYS BE ULTRA
>BLACK
>>for the RIGHT BLACK ISSUE. White folks care up until the
>>voting day and they will cut off their hand/issue close
>their
>>heart just to win.
>>
>
>Nah you making up most of that. Nothing wrong with holding
>folks feet to the fire.
>
>White folks are not perfect.
>
>>BLACK Folks kill their own until nothing is left and then
>>complain about there not being any good black candidate.
>>
>>
>
>Sounds like you think the worst about Black folk and give the
>benefit of the doubt to whites.
>
>

Save the Strawman. I'm basing my opinion on my observations and the results. We as black folks have a tendency to kill our own and tear down our interest looking for the perfect candidate, while white folks seem to understand that the issues it to win and then hold a joker's feet to the fire.

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23. "Still no"
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>>
>>
>>>
>>>But we do. BLACK folks expect a person to have NO issues,
>>>ALWAYS, be on point for a leading cause, ALWAYS BE ULTRA
>>BLACK
>>>for the RIGHT BLACK ISSUE. White folks care up until the
>>>voting day and they will cut off their hand/issue close
>>their
>>>heart just to win.
>>>
>>
>>Nah you making up most of that. Nothing wrong with holding
>>folks feet to the fire.
>>
>>White folks are not perfect.
>>
>>>BLACK Folks kill their own until nothing is left and then
>>>complain about there not being any good black candidate.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Sounds like you think the worst about Black folk and give
>the
>>benefit of the doubt to whites.
>>
>>
>
>Save the Strawman. I'm basing my opinion on my observations
>and the results. We as black folks have a tendency to kill our
>own and tear down our interest looking for the perfect
>candidate, while white folks seem to understand that the
>issues it to win and then hold a joker's feet to the fire.
>

No strawman here just countering your ridiculous argument. So you are drawing conclusions about what black folks and white folks do based on your small limited sample size ?

The white man's ice is not colder no matter how much you want it to be.

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29. "You seem like you hate accountability and love blame. "
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>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>But we do. BLACK folks expect a person to have NO issues,
>>>>ALWAYS, be on point for a leading cause, ALWAYS BE ULTRA
>>>BLACK
>>>>for the RIGHT BLACK ISSUE. White folks care up until the
>>>>voting day and they will cut off their hand/issue close
>>>their
>>>>heart just to win.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nah you making up most of that. Nothing wrong with holding
>>>folks feet to the fire.
>>>
>>>White folks are not perfect.
>>>
>>>>BLACK Folks kill their own until nothing is left and then
>>>>complain about there not being any good black candidate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds like you think the worst about Black folk and give
>>the
>>>benefit of the doubt to whites.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Save the Strawman. I'm basing my opinion on my observations
>>and the results. We as black folks have a tendency to kill
>our
>>own and tear down our interest looking for the perfect
>>candidate, while white folks seem to understand that the
>>issues it to win and then hold a joker's feet to the fire.
>>
>
>No strawman here just countering your ridiculous argument. So
>you are drawing conclusions about what black folks and white
>folks do based on your small limited sample size ?
>
>The white man's ice is not colder no matter how much you want
>it to be.

This ain't about the white man's this or that. It's about one team playing the game better and we need to get it together or we will continue to face the same BS. If you can't see that then you're part of the problem.



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32. "Nah. You aren’t making sense fam"
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Nationally we don’t have the numbers.

Locally tho, you can criticize if folks aren’t moving in the same direction but I don’t think that’s an issue.

How can you blame 13% of the voting demo for not putting Black folk in office nationally?

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34. "Let me set this clear."
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Fri Jul-05-19 12:55 PM by Case_One

          

>Nationally we don’t have the numbers.
>
>Locally tho, you can criticize if folks aren’t moving in the
>same direction but I don’t think that’s an issue.

>
>How can you blame 13% of the voting demo for not putting Black
>folk in office nationally?
>


I'm talkig about the stupid same old trick that leads us to infighting over crap when we need to stay LASER FOCUSED on our uses on a national level and not become thrown off track the latest shiny issue.

We start off good, powerful and focused, and then BAM! something happens and er get thrown off track.

My God. It's even happening in this post.


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45. "How do we start off good? "
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Please give examples.

I’d rather hash it out now and end up unified

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66. "We don't. I made up. Forget it all. "
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The world is as it should be.
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33. "You are worshiping the white man"
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>
>This ain't about the white man's this or that.

You brought up the white man in this ADOS thread remember "White folks care..."


It's about one
>team playing the game better and we need to get it together or
>we will continue to face the same BS. If you can't see that
>then you're part of the problem.
>

You are not playing the game better if you become so desperate win that you will do anything.

The only problem is this Ruckus mindset in our community where some fight for and protect "white folks" while using a broad bush to paint Black folks

"White folks care up until the voting day and they will cut off their hand/issue close their heart just to win." smh ridiculous

Btw this is what accountability looks like

holding folks feet to the fire

not "White folks care up until...."

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40. "Faceplam! Ok. King of the Black People"
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Fri Jul-05-19 12:52 PM by Case_One

          

>
>>
>>This ain't about the white man's this or that.
>
>You brought up the white man in this ADOS thread remember
>"White folks care..."
>
>
>It's about one
>>team playing the game better and we need to get it together
>or
>>we will continue to face the same BS. If you can't see that
>>then you're part of the problem.
>>
>
>You are not playing the game better if you become so desperate
>win that you will do anything.
>
>The only problem is this Ruckus mindset in our community where
>some fight for and protect "white folks" while using a broad
>bush to paint Black folks
>
>"White folks care up until the voting day and they will cut
>off their hand/issue close their heart just to win." smh
>ridiculous
>
>Btw this is what accountability looks like
>
> holding folks feet to the fire
>
>not "White folks care up until...."
>
>

Let me make it Plain. Us (BLACK FOLKS) getting distracted and infighting over crap when we need to stay LASER FOCUSED on our issues and agendas and not become thrown off track the latest shiny issue that the media raises to get us off topic. But here you go with the classic BS trying to question my blackness because I refuse to get caught up in the topic of the day. Fool, this country is by white people and for white people (in their minds) and we keep failing to play the game in a way that strengthens us, moves us forward, and achieve the goals that matter to us. We keep pulling ourselves down with dumb ass comments like the one you made just because you might see things differently than I do. Malcolm X and Marcus Garvey preached the same accountability when it came to taking control of our situation and not getting distracted.


I'm 100% for reparations, but we need to stay focused if we want to see it manifest.

What part of this are you missing? What part of accountability do you not understand?



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47. "Thank you Uncle Ruckus"
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>
>Let me make it Plain. Us (BLACK FOLKS) getting distracted and
>infighting over crap when we need to stay LASER FOCUSED on our
>issues and agendas and not become thrown off track the latest
>shiny issue that the media raises to get us off topic.

Here's a surprise Black people can do more than one thing at a time. That may shock you but if you check you will see examples in history.

But
>here you go with the classic BS trying to question my
>blackness because I refuse to get caught up in the topic of
>the day.

No that didn't happen I am holding you accountable because you said "white folks care up until the voting day and they will cut off their hand/issue close their heart just to win" as if Bernie bros, complaints about purity tests, never Trumpers..etc don't exist, in the same sentences where you tear down Black folk.

Fool, this country is by white people and for white
>people (in their minds) and we keep failing to play the game
>in a way that strengthens us, moves us forward, and achieve
>the goals that matter to us.

LOL we are not going win that game by copying them dummy because we are not white. Do you want us to get behind a Black version of Trump so we can win ?


We keep pulling ourselves down
>with dumb ass comments like the one you made just because you
>might see things differently than I do. Malcolm X and Marcus
>Garvey preached the same accountability when it came to taking
>control of our situation and not getting distracted.
>

Yeah Malcolm and Garvey preached about cuting off our hand/issue close our heart to win all the time. Malcolm X never criticized MLK Jr because we are a team. See how horrible your argument is ?

>I'm 100% for reparations, but we need to stay focused if we
>want to see it manifest.
>

The world doesn't end if we go after reparations during an election, you don't have to be scared.

>What part of this are you missing? What part of accountability
>do you not understand?
>
>

The part where you are accountable. I will make it easy.
If "BLACK folks expect a person to have NO issues, ALWAYS, be on point for a leading cause, ALWAYS BE ULTRA BLACK for the RIGHT BLACK ISSUE" and "BLACK Folks kill their own until nothing is left and then complain about there not being any good black candidate"

How did

Obama get re-elected

Maxine Waters " "

Jim Clyburn " "

Why didn't we kill them until nothing was left. All of them are not Ultra Black. They are not always on point.

What happen ?



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50. "Clown! Keep Shufflin to the Land of Nowhere and Stuck"
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You're headlong focused on debating and missing the point and proving my point. SMH. You're the kind of person that keeps all Black folks focused on the shiny object instead of the shining light to the path of true Freedom and Power within a system that is built to hold us back. The fact that you can't understand accountability proves that you're not a leader and a very poor follower of those who can lead. You're worst than a Steven in Django because you don't even know it.


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54. "Cowardly Ruckus try out a little courage and be brave"
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>You're headlong focused on debating and missing the point and
>proving my point. SMH. You're the kind of person that keeps
>all Black folks focused on the shiny object instead of the
>shining light to the path of true Freedom and Power within a
>system that is built to hold us back. The fact that you can't
>understand accountability proves that you're not a leader and
>a very poor follower of those who can lead. You're worst than
>a Steven in Django because you don't even know it.
>
>

Let go of your white idol long enough to realize Black folk marched, did boycotts and sit in's at the same time they were fighting in the courts during the Civil Rights Movement. Pushing back against a Uncle Ruckus like you is accountability.

Your argument is so bad that you are talking me instead of explaining how the Black politicians I listed got re-elected if "BLACK Folks kill their own until nothing is left and then complain about there not being any good black candidate"

Where is your answer to question about how you can draw a conclusion about what Blacks do based on the small number of Blacks you observe ?

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57. "CRAB. You can't even see that we want the same thing. "
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>>You're headlong focused on debating and missing the point
>and
>>proving my point. SMH. You're the kind of person that keeps
>>all Black folks focused on the shiny object instead of the
>>shining light to the path of true Freedom and Power within a
>>system that is built to hold us back. The fact that you
>can't
>>understand accountability proves that you're not a leader
>and
>>a very poor follower of those who can lead. You're worst
>than
>>a Steven in Django because you don't even know it.
>>
>>
>
>Let go of your white idol long enough to realize Black folk
>marched, did boycotts and sit in's at the same time they were
>fighting in the courts during the Civil Rights Movement.
>Pushing back against a Uncle Ruckus like you is
>accountability.
>
>Your argument is so bad that you are talking me instead of
>explaining how the Black politicians I listed got re-elected
>if "BLACK Folks kill their own until nothing is left and then
>complain about there not being any good black candidate"
>
>Where is your answer to question about how you can draw a
>conclusion about what Blacks do based on the small number of
>Blacks you observe ?
>

I tell you what, you do the best you can with making sure the candidate you support gets elected without tearing down anyone Black. That's all I ask. Jokers Like you loved Kamal when she was roasting the Brett Kavanaugh and then turn around and question her Blackness or record on locking up black men. Then will complain when we don't have a black person on the ticket.


Obama got re-elected because BLACK FOLKS Were gonna vote black and the same Black folks that voted for him are now questioning if he did anything for them. He was gonna make that run in the black community.

Maxine Waters - Is cold and has been there FOREVER and she ain't running for anything on a national level

Jim Clyburn - ain't running for anything on a national level


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60. "Ruckus we don't want the same thing. You will take anything. Not me"
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>
>I tell you what, you do the best you can with making sure the
>candidate you support gets elected without tearing down anyone
>Black.

If a candidate is wrong on something they are wrong, putting a candidate in a bubble is not doing them any favors.

That's all I ask. Jokers Like you loved Kamal when she
>was roastig the Brett Kavanaugh and then turn around and
>question her Blackness or record n locking up black men. The
>will complain when we don't have a black person on the
>ticket.
>


How long will any candidate last if they can't be criticized ?

>Obama got re-elected because BLACK FOLKS Were gonna vote black
>and the same Black folks that voted for him are now
>questioning if he did anything for them. He was gonna make
>that run in the black community.
>
>Maxine Waters - Is cold and has been there FOREVER and she
>ain't running for anything on a national level
>
>Jim Clyburn - ain't running for anything on a national level
>
>

Well you did answer some of the questions. So it has more to do with running nationally and being Black. So Black folks don't kill their own until nothing is left.

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64. "My Dude. SMH."
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Who's your candidate?



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68. "Too early to pick"
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Gotta see how they respond to pressure.

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49. "how do you hold yt folks feet to the fire without a lobby or wealth?"
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52. "I was talking about holding Black folk feet to the fire because he said"
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"BLACK folks expect a person to have NO issues,
>ALWAYS, be on point for a leading cause, ALWAYS BE ULTRA BLACK
>for the RIGHT BLACK ISSUE."

He didn't have an issue with white folk. He said

"White folks care up until the voting day and they will cut off their hand/issue close their heart just to win"

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55. "RE: I was talking about holding Black folk feet to the fire because he s..."
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>
>
>"BLACK folks expect a person to have NO issues,
>>ALWAYS, be on point for a leading cause, ALWAYS BE ULTRA
>BLACK
>>for the RIGHT BLACK ISSUE."
>
>He didn't have an issue with white folk. He said
>

LIES I never said anything about not having issues with White people's politics. White folks are gonna do the same dirty crap that the system they created allows them to do. It's their GAME! They know it and they Play it well. We have to play it better then they do. You seem to not understand that fact.



>"White folks care up until the voting day and they will cut
>off their hand/issue close their heart just to win"

Exactly, they care about individual and personal issues up until they think they'll lose their privilege or entitlement status and will jettison those issues, aligning with the opposition that goes against their original interest and ideology e.g White Evangelicals and Trump. I'm making the case that we stay focused on beating Trump and not letting infighting over issues distract or divide us even if we disagree. Maybe that doesn't make sense to you. But that's OK too Playa


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13. "Why not ask the source ?"
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ADOS has twitter accounts, You Tube channels and a website.

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22. "look at who thinks it's a really good idea"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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35. "america might just be too dumb for democracy."
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78. "^^^^^^^^"
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79. "Look who doesn't... Umar Johnson"
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If you're advocating choosing politics based on who agrees, then it looks like you're gonna ride with someone you hate no matter what you choose.

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93. "this is the dumbest shit I've ever read"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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37. "3 of the highest profile people pushing ados together right now"
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were in public beefs not too long ago calling *each other* scammers.

that should tell everyone everything they need to know but apparently it wont.

  

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42. "*overstand*, hence my comment on Yvette, but i still had questions"
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their webpage didnt answer

  

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46. "Damn "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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48. "What ?"
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>were in public beefs not too long ago calling *each other*
>scammers.
>
>that should tell everyone everything they need to know but
>apparently it wont.


Not without names it doesn't.

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72. "He left the names out b/c he knows he'd sound ridiculous"
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were he to include them and say what beef he's talking about.



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73. "Yep"
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I should've known. smh

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51. "they also love accusing Obama of GIVING reparations to Indians"
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completely ignoring the law firm and lobby it took to get those reparations and the pooling of money it took to pay for it

  

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53. "I’m sure those law firms and lobbies had to hear a ton of claims too"
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Which is why it’s good to smooth these things out now and set a baseline.

Wild how all these other groups and lobby and have purity test but when we discuss it people dog us out for it.

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59. "that included still isnt just GIVING reparations to Indians as they clai..."
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their all or nothing, either you are with #ADOS or COMPLETELY against ALL black people approach doesnt help things at all

lets say it takes ironing out
numerous claims
a law firm
a lobby
and a pooling of money

the Yvettes
Claudes
and Boyces should say thats what it took, instead of purposely painting a picture of Indians being able to bypass all of that because of a disloyal black president

  

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62. "Which ones? Please cite these beefs. n/m"
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65. "cite deez nuts"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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76. "So you actually are making this up huh?"
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Who are these people who are pushing ADOS "together" and had beefs?

Funny you use the term "high profile" b/c you're likely names ppl recognize. I'm 100% sure you're talking about at least one person who has been denounced by the creators as someone they'd rather not have on their team.

But please, prove me wrong.


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81. "Dude's on somebody's payroll"
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43. "..."
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56. "Information Literacy and Source Evaluation"
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This will be the only time I make a post about this issue. I don't want to amplify the conversation. I also don't think the issue is worth arguing about. The development of this hijacked-reparations conversation strikes me as an online phenomena that's now trickling into media coverage and the political sphere as part of a disinformation campaign to suppress the Black voting electorate and sow division. That's not by accident.

I think the American public, generally, suffers from a lack of basic information literacy. I think this issue is, at times, dramatically heightened depending on the issue and how it tracks with groups of people who are disenfranchised, oppressed, or who *perceive* (incorrectly) that they are either. Btw, right now, on Coursera, there are several courses about information literacy!

This phenomena (lack of information literacy) creates, among other things, a distrust and un-nuanced view of trustable information sources, often because said sources, historically, have been used for harm. Plus, there are all kinds of access gaps that keep solid information (credible and academic) out of the hands of everyday people, especially solid information that isn't perceived as pushing an agenda.

Everybody remember the CRAAP test (which can be modified for non-academic information)? So much swirling around this issue doesn't even pass the CRAAP test. It just doesn't. https://library.csuchico.edu/sites/default/files/craap-test.pdf

The Black community, like the larger American public, has yet to grapple with and respond to the reality that technology has been used to launch an active disinformation campaign against our Democracy-- and that Black people were used, in part, to do it.

Reparations is a deeply EMOTIONAL issue and presents fertile ground for blinds spots that might not catch deception and manipulation, especially because grievances are legitimate!

We have to do better. This stuff is wacky. It's like a Fox News equivalent for Black people.

  

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58. "Thank you for posting this response."
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>This will be the only time I make a post about this issue. I
>don't want to amplify the conversation. I also don't think the
>issue is worth arguing about. The development of this
>hijacked-reparations conversation strikes me as an online
>phenomena that's now trickling into media coverage and the
>political sphere as part of a disinformation campaign to
>suppress the Black voting electorate and sow division. That's
>not by accident.
>
>I think the American public, generally, suffers from a lack of
>basic information literacy. I think this issue is, at times,
>dramatically heightened depending on the issue and how it
>tracks with groups of people who are disenfranchised,
>oppressed, or who *perceive* (incorrectly) that they are
>either. Btw, right now, on Coursera, there are several courses
>about information literacy!
>
>This phenomena (lack of information literacy) creates, among
>other things, a distrust and un-nuanced view of trustable
>information sources, often because said sources, historically,
>have been used for harm. Plus, there are all kinds of access
>gaps that keep solid information (credible and academic) out
>of the hands of everyday people, especially solid information
>that isn't perceived as pushing an agenda.
>
>Everybody remember the CRAAP test (which can be modified for
>non-academic information)? So much swirling around this issue
>doesn't even pass the CRAAP test. It just doesn't.
>https://library.csuchico.edu/sites/default/files/craap-test.pdf
>
>The Black community, like the larger American public, has yet
>to grapple with and respond to the reality that technology has
>been used to launch an active disinformation campaign against
>our Democracy-- and that Black people were used, in part, to
>do it.
>
>Reparations is a deeply EMOTIONAL issue and presents fertile
>ground for blinds spots that might not catch deception and
>manipulation, especially because grievances are legitimate!
>
>We have to do better. This stuff is wacky. It's like a Fox
>News equivalent for Black people.
>


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61. "(access gaps) please, we choose to consume trash media"
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the access is there

no one is forcing our culture to be infatuated with everything related to sports and entertainment, while ignoring anything of substance

  

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63. "Anyone not voting for the Dem nominee de to reparations is an idiot"
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and it’s always been my opinion that folks who don’t vote for the Dem nominee due to 1 issue more that likely wasn’t going to vote in the first place.

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82. "This is dumb."
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83. "niggas literally have devices that possess all the worlds information"
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in their pockets at all times of the day

...but access gaps.

FOH

  

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184. "^^^^ THIIIIIISSSSS!!!! active measures like a mf. and ppl big mad"
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and hella infighting about hypothetical shit while we still dying in the streets by gov't hands and our hands.

shit is stupid. and the media literacy part is incredibly important.

who is pushing it? and who is pushing them?

muhfuckas out here amplifying it who don't even want us to have BASIC ass civil and human rights picking sides on reparations? foh.

it has been a very effective wedge, however, between Black americans and the diaspora. who that serve?


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69. "On one hand it sought to clear a path toward reparations ..."
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on the other I see it has become a divisive issue and fodder for racists.

For real these Trump style bigots are like "The Man" in Don't Be a Menace, aren't they? They show up everywhere and it seems like they can't lose.

Here we have, ostensibly, a group that seeks to identify ADOS as a means of, at least in part, identifying who would receive some form of reparations as a means of facilitating the process and strengthening the identity of black ("Black") Americans.

But quickly it's disintegrated into external exploitation (hi, Don Jr.) and a means of dividing the black population along political and ideological lines.

How do we reconcile the intention with the effect?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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70. "Don Jr was only fueling the fire we started on our own"
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yall give these racists too much credit for us falling into traps we set ourselves

as SOON as talk of #ADOS started niggas started looking around and sizing up who should and shouldnt get what ON OUR OWN, stop it.



oh? NOW niggas wanna get serious about ancestry research now that it involves a check, go figure

go back and look at any ancestry thread over the years, you’ll see me trying to get US involved. how ive stressed the importance, and starting asap.

NOPE.

too busy
too preoccupied
couldnt care less

  

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80. "Oh, I definitely get that, but I'm glad you said it instead."
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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84. "So ADOS has regressed into antagonizing African immigrants"
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be they colonized minds or not,

Boycotting Harriet film

Waving the US flag?

These are the people expected to lead us to reparations?

Yvette and Tone are agents in my estimation.

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85. "Excuse me???? "
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Yvette and Tone are not agents at all stop it. There's a certain segment of Africans that coon coming over here with an attempt to shit on and undermine black society like Cynthia Erivo and her friend Luvvie. They're agents of white supremacy going out of their way to antagonize black society.

That Harriet movie is liberal white supremacist fan fiction. The villain of the movie is a black bounty Hunter named Bigger Long that does not exist in history... The info and reviews are out about that trash film.

What do you mean antagonize Africans? Please get YOUR GIRL LUVVIE:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk5dpx_UwAAtJF-?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://mobile.twitter.com/ebopeep/status/1034171097015611392

https://images.app.goo.gl/Ux2Zn3WenzMALhR26

And the lead actress in that Harriet film:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn0jOpIW0AE7i4T?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://miro.medium.com/max/1240/1*zVIloJ0Fed4mlva02CTcHA.jpeg

https://images.app.goo.gl/dk2NmSHsnsMiQpUa6

You said antagonize Africans like you don't call us akatas get the fuck out of here ignoring facts.

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"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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87. "No one cares about the Nigerian chick"
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Or the Harriet movie.

Ya girl Yvette is out here wrapping her self in the US flag talking bout it's "our" country...

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88. "It is our country do the research..."
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>Or the Harriet movie.
>
>Ya girl Yvette is out here wrapping her self in the US flag
>talking bout it's "our" country...
>
>

That Harriet movie is marketed and promoted internationally and people care. We not glossing over the fact that the immigrant actress playing Harriet shit on black society yet wants to play prominent roles from my history despite being woefully unqualified.

People care about Luvvie and it sickens me this Nigerian immigrant coon antagonized black society. Luvvie got an NAACP award on how black Americans don't deserve reparations because, her words, they didn't earn it. She literally wouldn't be here if my ancestors didn't for her and this is how you Africans repay us...

The south wouldn't have bridges if not for us. Literally this country was built by foundational black Americans. The opportunities immigrants sought wouldn't exist if foundational black Americans didn't create them. WE did build this country.

*EDIT*

The heart of abishola is a sitcom written in part by anti black immigrant Gina Yashere. Please discuss her labeling us as lazy and ignorant. What's up with this white male savior y'all women have? We need explanations on this side...

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89. "so what country do we engage with to get better housing options?"
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Jobs? Healthcare?
If it ain't our country, its NO ONES

  

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94. "It's not our country and has never been."
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That was written in the original U.S. Constitution which was amendment with a loophole.

It is the country of it's colonizers.

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96. "Do you live outside the states "
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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99. "No I'm all over the US"
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Especially the east coast and I see the same in most areas we are concentrated.

What is that, Black folks on the bottom of the social caste that is the USA.

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86. "RE: Boycotting the Harriet film..."
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This is why that movie is dangerous:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIY6oEQW4AAFhr2?format=jpg&name=mediuml

From the variety review:

"Joe Alwyn plays Harriet’s most sadistic master, who grew up with her and has to suppress his love for her, to the point that he only talks about slaves with ugly animal metaphors"

From another review:

In fact, it's Harriet's former enslaver who has to (graphically) shoot the Black bounty hunter in the head to stop the bounty hunter from killing Harriet.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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98. "yall need to stop this ‘dangerous’ bullshit"
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...the people that know about Harriett already KNOW

and the people that need to know about Harriett dont gaf



  

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90. "ADOS movement might have gotten to me but I do believe the Harriet"
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actress probably should have been African-American or at least a descendent of slavery. The actresses comments certainly didn't help.

That being said, I love Kasi Lemmon forever for Eve's Bayou so I trust her.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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91. "P.O.S. King Flex wants to warn you about a Caribbean Crime Wave"
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https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1193019512997564417

That really is straight from the fox news playbook.

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92. "Black Magic MAGA"
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95. "Is the story false?"
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>https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1193019512997564417
>
>That really is straight from the fox news playbook.

If it's not false then shush. Members of that community are quick to separate themselves when it's something but the second something negative happens it's supposed to be black unity. Take responsibility for the full spectrum of your culture the same way your coons expect us to.

  

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97. "you're the black mormon right"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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101. "black mormon? is that a sovereign citizen?"
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that would explain a lot

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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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103. "No I am not an active black Mormon raised"
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In the church. Hate to kill your angles but it had to be done.

  

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104. "He didn’t ask if you were active or raised in the church"
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Sounds like a yes.. just sayin’

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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106. "Wait, a Black Mormon haha. Just STFU & listen here please"
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107. "Do you not see the irony of people judging the type of black person you ..."
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using generalizations about the black subgroup you happened to be born into?


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120. "You guys keep running stop and hold.."
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... your fellow Carribeans accountable.

Once again, Tariq did not warn of a Carribean crime wave. He correctly distanced the Carribean immigrant murderer from black society.That story placed a false narratives on all non second generation immigrant black men in this country.

These aren't generalizations at all. There a few highly public examples of second generation Carribean immigrants attacking black society this year and cosigning white supremacy. I have receipts let me know when y'all ready to talk about it.

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117. "so that's not a no"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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119. "That is an explicit no"
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A huge NO that anyone can see.

  

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122. "you didn't ever join the LDS? was that someone else?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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105. "What's most troubling about Nasheed and his Nasheedians"
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is the clear misunderstanding of how politics and our government work.
Observing his apparent fight with the ADOSers, after that NYT article, which he felt was a hit-piece, while the ADOS folks felt it benefits their cause--for provided clarity. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/08/us/slavery-black-immigrants-ados.html

& here's some of the ADOSer/Nasheedian beef on display via Twitter:
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1194027436414914561

  

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111. "tariq is sounding like a right wing disinfo troll now."
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first cosigning the trump 'black agenda' like trump isnt a known panderer/liar.
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1192972288221569024
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1192973279209783296


then undermining efforts to stop comcast/doj from getting the supreme court to gut the civil rights act of 1866.
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1194375816919961602
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1194377564350894080

he is retweeting judge joe brown who im almost certain is compensated for promoting right wing talking points (him, isaiah washington, etc).
https://twitter.com/JudgeJoeBrownTV/status/1194350372774563840
https://twitter.com/JudgeJoeBrownTV/status/1194388745191071744

  

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113. "completely "
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123. "he doesn't misunderstand. he doesn't care."
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he wants what they want.

idk how else to tell y'all that these motherfuckers are all right wing dickheads on purpose.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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126. "I mostly agree with you on this"
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100. "Did Yvette ever talk about why she was MAGA'd out?"
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102. "Yes"
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108. "ADOS' best hope is Kamala Harris"
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They dont know that though because they dont understand strategy.
They're trying to do a brute force reparations attack, which is dumb.

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109. "Why Kamala Harris"
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What can she do ?

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115. "she is to ados what hillary clinton is to fox news."
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118. "Easy"
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She's hiding it in plain sight because she knows that nobody will support reparations in either the congress or the senate.

You would get more money under Kamala's LIFT act,
than you would with reparations, which may not come in the form of money.
Especially if you look at previous attempts, you may get a housing credit or education credit. Housing still comes with property taxes.
Imagine getting a house without a change in your income then the property tax bill comes. You're back at square 1.

The lift act gives a $500 per month tax credit for families that make $100k or less.
The average black family's median wealth is $14k.
Black people would hugely benefit from this.

Reparations wont come unless that money is taxed as income.
$2trillion is what gets 30 million descendants $80k each.
$2trillion is also half the congressional budget.
It's a hard sell to get congress to give up half their budget for only 1 initiative.
Also they're going to want that money back because the programs that the money was taken away from, still need money.
Only way to recover that money is through tax increases.
A high tax rate on the initial check, then goods and services taxes, then income tax. So you may at the end of all of that have banked $10K.

Kamala has hidden untaxed money in plain sight through multiple programs.
LIFT act.
Rent relief act.
Child care act.
Health care act.
Homeownership grants.

If you add all those up you've surpassed reparations in 3 years and don't have to worry about increased tax rates.

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139. "Interesting"
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>She's hiding it in plain sight because she knows that nobody
>will support reparations in either the congress or the
>senate.
>

That's the "rising tide lifts all boats" which means it includes those who are not ADOS.

>You would get more money under Kamala's LIFT act,
>than you would with reparations, which may not come in the
>form of money.
>Especially if you look at previous attempts, you may get a
>housing credit or education credit. Housing still comes with
>property taxes.
>Imagine getting a house without a change in your income then
>the property tax bill comes. You're back at square 1.
>

Probably get less since it has to cover more people.

>The lift act gives a $500 per month tax credit for families
>that make $100k or less.
>The average black family's median wealth is $14k.
>Black people would hugely benefit from this.
>

That 500 credit doesn't go to everyone.

"Single people would get $250 per month or $3,000 a year, married couples would get $500 per month or $6,000 a year, and it would phase out for singles without kids making $50,000 or more" - Atlantic’s Annie Lowrey

>Reparations wont come unless that money is taxed as income.
>$2trillion is what gets 30 million descendants $80k each.
>$2trillion is also half the congressional budget.
>It's a hard sell to get congress to give up half their budget
>for only 1 initiative.
>Also they're going to want that money back because the
>programs that the money was taken away from, still need money.
>
>Only way to recover that money is through tax increases.
>A high tax rate on the initial check, then goods and services
>taxes, then income tax. So you may at the end of all of that
>have banked $10K.
>

Yeah but when you have to cover more than ADOS, it means less money for those who need it more, another affirmative action where whites get more from it.

>Kamala has hidden untaxed money in plain sight through
>multiple programs.
>LIFT act.
>Rent relief act.
>Child care act.
>Health care act.
>Homeownership grants.
>

Yeah but what if you don't qualify for some of the reasons(single,without kids) I listed up above and those who are not ADOS do, that would be a smack in the face.

>If you add all those up you've surpassed reparations in 3
>years and don't have to worry about increased tax rates.
>
>

Nah it doesn't go far enough for all ADOS

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148. "Those are valid concerns"
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I would still argue that you would benefit more from programs spread out other than what would likely be taxed income.
Your chances of getting those other things is higher,
I can't tell if ADOS is only about a large check or fixing systemic problems.

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151. "Fair enough "
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>I would still argue that you would benefit more from programs
>spread out other than what would likely be taxed income.
>Your chances of getting those other things is higher,
>I can't tell if ADOS is only about a large check or fixing
>systemic problems.


I see your point.

Not sure about the check but yeah they want to fix the problems.

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110. "tariq nasheed and boyce watkins seem to be distancing themselves"
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from ados.

i found it weird that all 3 converged on the same cause at the same time in the first place (if you know their history).

i have my suspicions about whats going on but ima hold off for now.

  

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112. "Nah Tariq gave his side and the history."
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114. "i def aint sitting through no 2 hour tariq nasheed video."
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id ask for cliff notes but those are prolly bullshit too.

  

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116. "Wait a min you can't go at him in two threads"
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121. "thats exactly what im gonna do my man."
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153. "Nigga, Tariq Nasheed would not watch Tariq Nasheed for 2 hours"
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157. "Dumbass"
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It's called skipping I know that's hard to grasp but it does work.

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124. "I sure as fuck can"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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127. "LOL"
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Colin Powell goofy.

  

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129. "Who ?"
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154. "COLIN POWELL AF!!!!"
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158. "Your mother is Colin Powell"
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169. "*Camron U Mad Gif*"
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170. "Nah Ruckus "
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142. "main idea: please, #ADOS....stay on code.......before I roast y'all (c)"
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Tariq...

"Tone is not a charismatic guy"
"I made yall ADOS movement pop"

Also Tariq basically started his own hashtag (#FBA) but acting like he ain't...LMAO!

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138. "the directive is simple....get blacks folks to NOT vote or to vote GOP"
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simple as that.

  

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125. "i still cant get over the fact that we legit have a white supremacist"
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in the oval office...

...and black people are arguing about which parts of our community to kick out of the clubhouse.

the greatest threat to the republic in modern history and people are coming up with new reasons *not* to vote.

we might just have to come to the realization that this country is too dumb for democracy. maybe we deserve to be put under oppressive authoritarian rule.

  

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128. "i can"
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we really are too dumb for democracy

  

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131. "these niggas will sell everyone back into slavery INCLUDING THEMSELVES"
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and insist they got a good deal, I swear it.

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130. "ADOS is a hashtag founded by agents"
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Yvette is an AGENT

Antonio was a D.A. = AGENT

Their entire "strategy" is based on yt folks doing the right and morally correct thing.

That is weak.

Anti Black Nationalist

Anti Pan African

Now you targeting African and Caribbean immigrants?

I forgot to add you got negros wrapping themselves in the U.S. flag?

You talk about lineage and say your more Irish than Nigerian?

And these are the people y'all follow?

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132. "it's fucking hilarious"
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how are you going to claim to be pro black and define yourself based on lines white people drew on the map.

it's the most backwards shit ever


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133. "Wow"
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You not trolling for once.

And true so true.

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134. "a lot of these niggas really just want to be crackers "
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and they try to hide their shame and their doubt under praux-black shit.

and these white folks are more than happy to sell us the rope to hang ourselves with.

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145. "Not only be crackers but treat other blk ppl like crackers treat all blk..."
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149. "yeah, that's exactly what i meant"
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137. "EXACTLY!!!"
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135. "."
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136. "isn't it obvious, tho?"
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140. "I've had some discussions"
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With folks claiming I'm hating on Yvette because she is gay and a woman.

I've had a guy on IG tell me I was a guest in his country because he was aboriginal American.

She brings the goofball out of folks

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141. "she dissed Dr. Claud Anderson....told me all i needed to know"
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full of shit!

That dude birthed they whole ideology.

They divisive as fuck.

  

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143. "https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=1335..."
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reply 68

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13351341&mesg_id=13351341&listing_type=search

  

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144. "EXACTLY!"
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146. "notice how he was completely baffled about Claud"
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its a bizarre group to say the least

  

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147. "what makes it even more funny...see reply 79 in that same thread"
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LMAO!

But Dr. Claud "has huuuuge gaps in his theory"

HAHA....BRUH!

  

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150. "Talib Kweli & Dr Umar Johnson aint rolling with ADOS."
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152. "Fam"
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Why don’t ADOS folks understand that any payout or credit or subsidy requires congressional approval?
Unless they’re gonna ask the IMF or World bank, it has to be a bipartisan effort.

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155. "Because they're stupid?"
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Or grifters?
or some unholy combination of both?

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156. "The debate has always been weird to me because they acting like.."
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there is a check cut somewhere and they are arguing about who gets a share of it. The reality is we are far from any consensus that reparations should be paid out and you definitely won't get a consensus launching an internecine battle amongst black folk.


Talk about putting the Cart before the horse.


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159. "it makes sense to put the cart before the horse "
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if you aren't actually trying to go anywhere

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162. "Ding, Ding. Ding. We have our answer!"
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160. "Seemingly there are factions"
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One is NOW seemingly attempting to working strategically via our political system. (ADOS)

Another is not and finds content watching that system pretend to (but it won't) implode. (Nasheed n'em)

There's no unity, especially since Black folk aggressively aren't a monolith.

Understanding that monolithic cultures never achieve long term success, political and public policy best happens with coalitions making it happen. ADOS needs to better adopt an inclusive approach to achieve their singular goal.

  

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161. "Right. This and Tw3nty's comment about the World Bank and IMF"
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>
>Understanding that monolithic cultures never achieve long term
>success, political and public policy best happens with
>coalitions making it happen. ADOS needs to better adopt an
>inclusive approach to achieve their singular goal.
>

kinda have me seeing deeper tragedy in ADOS' isolationist approach, tbh.

Like, I was just thinking about how reconstruction and poverty reduction are central pillars of the World Bank's mission. And while they fund projects in developing countries, it makes you wonder if perhaps something as huge as reparations might be negotiated better multilaterally and implemented through a central body to the diaspora of descendents of enslaved Africans... rather than multiple distinct seperate efforts. Involvement of an international body like that might also help supersede some of the race, class, and other institutionalized dynamics that DOS groups would be encountering alone trying to work from the bottom up/grassroots in their respective countries.

For example, the World Bank's IDA is funded by donor governments, right? Wouldn't such a forum be an ideal way to get all countries and/or Crowns that industrialized the trafficking (eg. US, UK, Portugal, Spain, France, Netherlands,etc) to contribute to a fund, from which the World Bank could structure and administer grants to beneficiaries across the DOS diaspora? Details about eligibility and other requirements could be ratified according to each participating country's systems etc.

A reparations effort like this probably "would be" feasible if, say, there were delegations from different regions representing respective DOS interests eg. ADOS, CARICOM, to help shape, develop, and evaluate the effort. But such cooperation would unequivocally demand a more pan-african perspective than ADOS appears willing to entertain, which is unfortunate.

Not implying the above is the only path towards reparations, or even makes sense as an idea (lol... anybody with better knowledge of how the WB/IMF works please feel free to correct me). Just that we're often so inundated with an isolationist reparations strategy, multilateral reparations strategies seem to escape the discourse.

  

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164. "You could make a case for actual nation building if you go to the WB/IMF"
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They would loan money and in some cases grant money to prevent extreme poverty or build infrastructure.
Actual viable plans would be called selling out tho.

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172. "In what world are the IMF and WB NOT corporate scams?"
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173. "Some African countries would have collapsed if it weren't for the WB"
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I don't agree totally with some debts not being forgiven but to sum up really complex institutions as scams is a stretch. I would say it's meant to help but no organization is above having major shortcomings.

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165. "monolithic cultures never achieve... wait, what?!"
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the jewish culture seem to thrive in economics

they teach it and practice it well

  

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167. "Stop"
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Jewish people aren't even a monolith.

Let's talk just about Israel--which is certainly not a bastion of success as a nation--their GDP is less than 400 billion, with at least a few billion annually coming directly from U.S. taxpayers. The U.S.GDP is nearly 23 trillion. Based on just plain economics, how can you claim that nation is great monolithic one?

If you look beyond just Israel at the diaspora, Jewish poverty and inequality compared to majority cultures are plenty.

I long lived in Hasidic Brooklyn, you'd have a very hard time finding a Satmar Hisidic family not on food stamps, or some other type of public assistance for the impoverished.


  

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168. "RE:"
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im truly sorry, i shouldn't of said THRIVE at all.

that would imply that Jewish or other cultures aren't poor. thats not what i meant or was trying to say at all. again, im sorry.

i was trying to say they’re culture has an understanding of GROUP economics thats monolithic. as do many other cultures. they understand all too well the importance of spending within your own culture.

something our culture struggles with, but in other cultures is just common sense.

  

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163. "I am so HAPPY i have no idea what any of these acronyms mean"
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166. "http://postmyimage.com/img2/931_DAC243BC_4FE9_4639_A77C_DD8D19.jpeg"
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171. "LOL"
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it being a white dude makes it extra on point

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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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Reeq
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174. "lol"
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Reeq
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175. "what happened to this movement?"
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kamala harris suspended her campaign and i havent heard about this shit since lol.

  

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176. "oh they're still out there vibrating away"
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they've bubbled up a little on twitter to push against biden

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Reeq
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177. "oh ok last time i noticed some activity"
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tariq, yvette, and boyce were all engaged in a meme war against each other and tariq was branching off into his own scam.

  

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178. "imagine thinking a movement backed by Ann Coulter is a good thing"
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https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1293334395697475584

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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180. "She doesn't back it. She's trolling"
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181. "LOL ok"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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luminous
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182. "lulz"
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Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
-Ben (Reaper)

If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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183. "I guess one of the other worst people in the world of all time"
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is also trolling

https://twitter.com/thomaschattwill/status/1293881826705117184
https://twitter.com/thomaschattwill/status/1293882236220002304

mr. I Blame Hip Hop For Me Beating Up My Girlfriend Like One of You Niggers Which I Am Not


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Lurkmode
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185. "W. Kamau Bell interviewed Yvette Carnell on his show United Shades"
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/unitedshades?lang=en

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1294423673940725760


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