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"Speaking of Tariq Nasheed"


  

          

What's the issue with him?

Having listened to a few of his podcasts, I have an issue but I don't think it's the same one others (here) seem to have. I'm just curious.

Anyway my issue, his action steps towards achieving reparations, Tariq is telling his people to take, will never work in our system.
The plan is devoid of understanding of even the most simple lesson in civics.
He's seemingly fallen into a trap of thinking that blacks need to punish Dems, for their inaction overall on policy to benefit black folk, by simply withholding votes.
But you can't 'punish' Dems, by simply not voting, without doing serious damage to yourself--it's a losing proposition.

There's no type of thoughtful or realistic strategy, just "don't vote and they'll see".

  

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He’s a misogynist & bigot
Jun 24th 2019
1
is there an example?
Jun 24th 2019
2
Are you trolling?
Jun 24th 2019
4
Not at all, I'm genuinely curious.
Jun 24th 2019
6
      I got nothing for you.
Jun 24th 2019
7
Listen to the lastest episode of his radio show, "Mistress,Side Piece...
Jun 24th 2019
5
      His latest? Damn. I thought he turned the page
Jun 24th 2019
11
      How to know that a trash person is still trash in 2019
Jun 24th 2019
15
      Dude puts in work.
Jun 24th 2019
20
      It does say 2014 though.
Jun 24th 2019
21
      I know him from this book in the 90's...:
Jun 24th 2019
22
      I'm imagining him running for prez and having an Art of the Deal situati...
Jun 24th 2019
52
      I literally just googled his name and misogyny.
Jun 24th 2019
23
      I never hear about him unless his HATERS mention him,
Jun 24th 2019
54
      It's not his latest. Buddy is lying b/c Buddy is a liar.
Jun 25th 2019
59
      this shit is 5 years old, lol
Jun 25th 2019
65
      Ah, I see.
Jun 24th 2019
14
      There’s a bottomless market for people that denigrate black women
Jun 24th 2019
17
      You're lying.
Jun 25th 2019
58
           My bad. Like I mentioned in 23# above, I spent 5 minutes googling him
Jun 25th 2019
72
                He hasn’t.
Jun 25th 2019
81
                But u think ur degree & salary is why u're called "black yt"?
Jun 25th 2019
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                     I ain’t never been called black yt in my life.
Jun 25th 2019
100
                          Ah, so reply 75 was you being sensitive and making up stuff
Jun 25th 2019
103
                               I, personally, have never been referred to as a black yt
Jun 25th 2019
105
                                    Oh ok, well you're black yt.
Jun 25th 2019
106
                                         Guess my acidic mind can’t comprehend your alkaline thoughts
Jun 25th 2019
107
                                              My thoughts have a perfect pH balance
Jun 25th 2019
109
                No worries. Slander is never necessary.
Jun 25th 2019
92
                So your whole counter is based on me misspeaking and using the word
Jun 25th 2019
97
                     Yeah
Jun 25th 2019
102
                He organized a huge twitter attack against Feminista Jones
Jun 28th 2019
261
Let's not forget homophobe.
Jun 24th 2019
35
I think he is a misogynist crab huckster.
Jun 24th 2019
3
Prolly because of this
Jun 24th 2019
8
He has current transgressions
Jun 24th 2019
10
      Buddy’s post enlightened me. Lmao.
Jun 24th 2019
13
           I do not understand how some of y’all choose benefit of the doubt
Jun 24th 2019
19
           I've only read blind complaints
Jun 24th 2019
27
                His passionate detractors seem to have a hard time...
Jun 26th 2019
195
                     It’s not to bully you.
Jun 26th 2019
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                          Not ignoring this...just left it to the conversation we having under 190
Jun 26th 2019
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           Buddy's post was a lie
Jun 25th 2019
60
He failed when he debated Tucker Carlson
Jun 24th 2019
9
How’d he fail? He hates Black people like also
Jun 24th 2019
12
Ouch
Jun 24th 2019
16
      Look up his views on LGBTQ
Jun 24th 2019
18
Man that Taylor debate was horrible.
Jun 26th 2019
183
      Exactly
Jun 26th 2019
186
Speaking of Tariq Nasheed (c) OkayPlayer
Jun 24th 2019
24
he's central in this #ADOS movements strategy to gain reparations
Jun 24th 2019
25
      Then maybe you should second guess that movement.
Jun 24th 2019
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      I'm not part of any hashtag movements, no need to second guess.
Jun 24th 2019
29
      central...how?
Jun 24th 2019
28
      I only see him on Twitter
Jun 24th 2019
30
           .
Jun 24th 2019
31
      He's not central in the ADOS movement at all
Jun 25th 2019
63
           What is your basis for saying either of those people are central to the
Jun 25th 2019
87
                I said the ADOS movement...
Jun 25th 2019
93
What about Shaun King?
Jun 24th 2019
32
Bruh. Put in your own work.
Jun 24th 2019
33
I'm specifcially asking about OKPs take
Jun 24th 2019
37
      OKP has never been monolith
Jun 24th 2019
40
           I'm not asking for monolithic answers
Jun 24th 2019
41
                Cool. Happy Monday.
Jun 24th 2019
45
Bruv...you obviously have the internet
Jun 24th 2019
34
      My very first thought.
Jun 24th 2019
36
      My benign question outraged you, seriously?
Jun 24th 2019
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           I'm sorry...
Jun 25th 2019
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                I'm sorry
Jun 25th 2019
90
                     Ha. Fair enough.
Jun 25th 2019
91
                     LOL
Jun 25th 2019
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      I'm not comparing anyone, just looking for clarity about personalites.
Jun 24th 2019
38
           So you don't know how to use the internet or the search function
Jun 24th 2019
39
                I know you're flabbergasted
Jun 24th 2019
42
                     That 5G might render you obsolete
Jun 24th 2019
43
we're doing this "does the literal con artist have a point?"
Jun 24th 2019
46
Seems like a charismatic preacher type to me, so this makes sense.
Jun 24th 2019
47
      You said his proposed solution was not voting tho
Jun 25th 2019
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           PLEASE READ BOOGIES POST.
Jun 25th 2019
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                Yes, please do! Please also take note of what a LIAR rjcc is.
Jun 26th 2019
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                     what'd I do to case? did I lie? did I change the subject?
Jun 26th 2019
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                          Unnecessarily brought up a sensitive situation to him but u know
Jun 26th 2019
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                               yeah, if I were you I'd try to change the subject away from my lies too.
Jun 26th 2019
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                                    Here you go again. Lying, yet accusing me of lying.
Jun 26th 2019
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                                         I didn't accuse you of lying. you lied. and I mentioned it.
Jun 26th 2019
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                                              And you lie again. You just can't stop.
Jun 26th 2019
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He looks like he'd ask your wife "are you happy?"
Jun 24th 2019
48
theres weird venn diagrams
Jun 24th 2019
49
I appreciate both succinct answers
Jun 24th 2019
51
Plus he's 6'5" and probably can't dunk
Jun 24th 2019
50
I was listening to Tariq since Mack Lessons
Jun 24th 2019
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NEVER FORGET THIS PART -----
Jun 24th 2019
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lol.. damn
Jun 25th 2019
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      Niggas manage to post mustily
Jun 25th 2019
75
           When the passive-aggressive insults come right out...
Jun 25th 2019
111
                Boogie, Musa, Kira
Jun 25th 2019
114
                     Damn.
Jun 25th 2019
115
                     Man if you don't get ur blackkklansman ass outta here
Jun 25th 2019
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                     Link me that post.
Jun 25th 2019
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                     Sure thing: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&to...
Jun 25th 2019
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                          I’m sorry that you thought capital progress was sincere
Jun 25th 2019
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                               U really tryna explain away praising yt women licking blk man ass
Jun 25th 2019
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                     LOL.
Jun 30th 2019
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                     Damn bruh, I'm on your side and you went all scorched Earth on me
Jun 26th 2019
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                          That’s when you know folks are in their feelings
Jun 26th 2019
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                               He couldn't wait to let out that frustration he held in from reply 96
Jun 26th 2019
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                                    I'm DYIN over here!
Jul 02nd 2019
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Key takeaways:
Jun 25th 2019
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Post could've ended right here!
Jun 25th 2019
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There is literally nothing pro-black about that dusty fauxteper nm
Jun 28th 2019
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      Fake how
Jun 28th 2019
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RE: Speaking of Tariq Nasheed
Jun 24th 2019
56
He is purely entertainment + an idiot,
Jun 25th 2019
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      afrogirl falsely said Dr. Amos Wilson was misogynistic bro
Jun 26th 2019
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           What is wrong with you? Seriously.
Jun 26th 2019
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           What's wrong with YOU?
Jun 26th 2019
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                RE: What's wrong with YOU?
Jun 26th 2019
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                RE: What's wrong with YOU?
Jun 26th 2019
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                     Yeah. We ain't gonna agree.
Jun 26th 2019
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                          We don't have to...
Jun 26th 2019
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                               Yes.
Jun 26th 2019
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                                    Word
Jun 26th 2019
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                Yeah the "Blue Check" Blacks support EVERY mainstream
Jun 26th 2019
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                     Yup. Whole cloth, with no critical analysis at all
Jun 28th 2019
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           I don't know Afrogirl but this much is TRUE - - -
Jun 26th 2019
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           Wait, what?
Jun 28th 2019
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           http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13054...
Jun 28th 2019
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                So, I didn't say it *rolls eyes*
Jun 29th 2019
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                     Not directly, but given your views on who u lumped him in with
Jun 29th 2019
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                          For the record,
Jul 01st 2019
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                               RE: For the record,
Jul 01st 2019
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                                    I'm pointing out the hypocrisy.
Jul 01st 2019
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                                    Your own?
Jul 02nd 2019
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                                    You really have too much time on your hands
Jul 01st 2019
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                                         Hard to forget someone conflating Umar with Dr. Wilson.
Jul 02nd 2019
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           people hate on the messenger without listening to the message
Jun 29th 2019
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                this is silly. you don't learn from con artists.
Jun 29th 2019
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                Yeah... cult of personality era.
Jun 29th 2019
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                     see how this fuckin loser just lies?
Jun 29th 2019
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                          ?????
Jun 29th 2019
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                               imagine being such a dumb motherfucker
Jun 29th 2019
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                               go ahead and list all of the action you've taken in support
Jun 29th 2019
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                                    since civility is not your strong suit
Jul 01st 2019
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                                         You know who does all those things also? Black women
Jul 01st 2019
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                                         I believe the question was 'what has he done?'
Jul 01st 2019
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                                              Fair
Jul 01st 2019
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                                         lmao goddamn ether
Jul 01st 2019
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Very polarizing....but White Supremacists HATE that dude
Jun 25th 2019
57
This is exactly my experience
Jun 25th 2019
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Ppl on here focus heavily on his past and cherry-picked statements
Jun 25th 2019
61
You do realize that this is how "good liberal white folks" justify their...
Jun 25th 2019
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      U do realize the last sentence of my post renders ur response irrelevant...
Jun 25th 2019
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      C’mon man.. that’s just lazy.
Jun 25th 2019
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           It's not lazy it's true.
Jun 25th 2019
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                This.
Jun 25th 2019
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                On here? Probably not
Jun 25th 2019
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                Nah it's BS, but you gonna come for Boogie b/c I hurt ur feelings
Jun 25th 2019
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                #WHYTHEWOMENLEFTOKP
Jun 26th 2019
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for me, it's just his politics in general
Jun 25th 2019
67
Yvette Carnell must make your head explode
Jun 25th 2019
69
I actually have been watching her videos on YouTube lately
Jun 25th 2019
71
      Respect
Jun 25th 2019
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      you gotta get the fuck off of youtube
Jun 25th 2019
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           I usually don't watch shit but tech and car videos there
Jun 25th 2019
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                even the allegedly lefty shit sucks
Jun 25th 2019
157
                     I disagree heavily with that.
Jun 26th 2019
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Ha, this is hilarious...
Jun 25th 2019
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      Lmao. Yo, they have an actual award show for this?
Jun 25th 2019
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           did you see the award recipients they list
Jun 25th 2019
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           Kayfabe
Jun 25th 2019
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           tariq is the funny, smart cut up from your neighborhood
Jun 25th 2019
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           I see.. lmao.
Jun 25th 2019
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                Man no. Niggas is gullible
Jun 25th 2019
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                     I can see how he rubs folks the wrong way
Jun 25th 2019
85
           If dude were just a comedian, the discussion would be different.
Jun 25th 2019
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                Are they really treating him as a scholar tho?
Jun 25th 2019
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                     The nigga done said plenty times he ain't nobody's leader
Jun 25th 2019
104
                     I would hope the person responsible for the docuseries that purports to
Jun 25th 2019
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                          You’d be disappointed.
Jun 25th 2019
113
The witholding votes strategy respects the current landscape
Jun 25th 2019
101
Finally, after 101 replies, someone disagrees with my actual critique
Jun 25th 2019
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Your premise starts on the back of a dumb con man
Jun 25th 2019
119
Fine I get it, he's a con man.
Jun 25th 2019
124
      lol @ undying legion
Jun 25th 2019
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           Not just him, Jason Black, Dr Black Truth, Boyce,
Jun 25th 2019
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                you can make a decent living telling losers it's not their fault.
Jun 25th 2019
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                Big Money, Big Big Money. Some of those fans/stans
Jun 25th 2019
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                     nah, the money ain't that long. that's why they're trying to get this li...
Jun 25th 2019
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                I know you're trolling, but Dr. Poomar lives in filth
Jun 26th 2019
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                     He might be a lowkey HOARDER.
Jun 26th 2019
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*Answers honestly*
Jun 25th 2019
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      politics 101
Jun 25th 2019
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           base
Jun 25th 2019
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BIG FACTS.
Jun 25th 2019
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      "BIG FACTS?" What he wrote was literally devoid of facts.
Jun 25th 2019
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           GOOGLE it, he didn't tell one lie.
Jun 25th 2019
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           I'm only answering one of your inaccurate statements educate yourself on...
Jun 25th 2019
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                Respectfully, it's not this binary.
Jun 25th 2019
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                not a single one of the current candidates has any policy initiatives
Jun 25th 2019
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                     April 30, 2019 Sen. Elizabeth Warren On Black Women Maternal Mortality: ...
Jun 25th 2019
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                     read the actual proprosal
Jun 25th 2019
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                          Democrats can't even *say* "Black" in isolation, when discussing politic...
Jun 25th 2019
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                          oh, that's what you're refuting? OK
Jun 25th 2019
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                          RE: read the actual proprosal
Jun 25th 2019
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                     There are candidates that have platforms that would benefit black people
Jun 25th 2019
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                     why should anyone line up to vote for least harm while
Jun 25th 2019
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                          so a candidate that is for prison reform, college debt forgiveness,
Jun 25th 2019
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                          So, wanting better policies is pouting?
Jun 25th 2019
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                               Goddam. We just did this in 2016. Politicians ain’t your parents
Jun 25th 2019
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                                    You didn't read a word I wrote
Jun 25th 2019
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                                         I did read. You’re just wrong
Jun 25th 2019
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                          In order to be harmed the least. duh.
Jun 26th 2019
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                     Our country must confront the impact that generations of slavery and rac...
Jun 25th 2019
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                     The 8 Mile Wall was built in the 1940s to separate Black families from w...
Jun 25th 2019
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                     On Juneteenth and every day: Black lives matter, Black citizens matter, ...
Jun 25th 2019
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                          I've read all of her proposals, pimp
Jun 25th 2019
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                At least Trump is human, every other POTUS
Jun 25th 2019
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                     Aaaaaannnnd there you go. Case closed.
Jun 25th 2019
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                     Good ole serial rapist of a human.
Jun 25th 2019
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                          He's as trash as ANY other POTUS, no worse than Obama
Jun 25th 2019
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                               FOH. Dude is much worse than Obama
Jun 26th 2019
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                                    RE: FOH. Dude is much worse than Obama
Jun 26th 2019
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                                         Trump admin helped a top Chicken Company Cut Off Black Farmers, One by O...
Jun 26th 2019
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                                              Black wealth under Obama went back to pre-Civil Right levels
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                   That's terrible
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                   Obama isn't faultless but this wasn't on him...
Jun 27th 2019
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                                                        he was president. He had the most leverage over the banking
Jun 27th 2019
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                                                             I think we may be hitting on 2 separate points.
Jun 27th 2019
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                                                                  i'm not blaming him for the recession
Jun 27th 2019
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Do not overlook replies 96 and 81
Jun 26th 2019
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“Don’t pay attention to the mans literal words, he’s misrepresenti...
Jun 26th 2019
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      I'm correctly interpreting everything. That's what's burning u up.
Jun 26th 2019
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           What’s to defend, “white agenda” , “gay agenda”, “feminist a...
Jun 26th 2019
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                This is where you just make stuff up.
Jun 26th 2019
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                     Not black folks. You and dumb niggas like you
Jun 26th 2019
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                          The bullying tactics don't work on me lil' man.
Jun 26th 2019
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cause he's full of shit like 60% of the time. 40% he cool w/ me.
Jun 26th 2019
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can't front, it makes me sad...
Jun 26th 2019
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Shit is crazy.
Jun 26th 2019
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I aggressively insult when I lose patience
Jun 26th 2019
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And I usually don't get into that unless it's done to me
Jun 26th 2019
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      I said there’s better vehicles for that message
Jun 26th 2019
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Bottom line!
Jun 26th 2019
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Especially since the goal is common, for the most part.
Jun 26th 2019
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      Without intersectionality there is no common goal
Jun 26th 2019
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           Puts feet up on table.
Jun 26th 2019
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           There are different understandings of intersectionality
Jun 26th 2019
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           I don’t need deep words to live by the ethos of “I won’t sell you ...
Jun 26th 2019
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           LOL
Jun 26th 2019
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           Bruh you started the name calling in this post.
Jun 26th 2019
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                I already said in reply 205 that you are a special exception
Jun 26th 2019
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                     you're just the kind of dude who lets other people control his behavior
Jun 27th 2019
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           Mainstream, pop culture intersectionality is a farce, tho
Jun 26th 2019
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                What’s that have to do with how I live
Jun 26th 2019
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                But you just said
Jun 26th 2019
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                     I’m a big believer in existentialism too
Jun 26th 2019
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                          so, you're just saying shit cuz it sounds good, then?
Jun 26th 2019
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                               I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking
Jun 26th 2019
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                                    You - no intersectionality, no consensus
Jun 26th 2019
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                                         But ... that’s not what you said
Jun 26th 2019
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                                              reply 218
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                   Your reply adds definition that I dont
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                        I think that's where the confusion comes in
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                             Ok. Fair point.
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                             Well in this case, there's no issue between us...
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                                  My request is to take it up with the populace then
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                                       What populace?
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                             hence, just saying shit because it sounds good
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                                  I disagree.
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                                  these cXXns want a bluecheck fam
Jun 26th 2019
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                                                                       you know how fuckin silly you gotta be
Jul 01st 2019
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                Straight up!
Jun 26th 2019
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Why yall mad though?
Jun 27th 2019
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Let's skip your antagonistic BS and get to your actual point...
Jun 27th 2019
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RJCC is the standard?
Jun 27th 2019
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LOL!
Jun 27th 2019
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The standard is keeping the same energy. Which yall ain't doin.
Jun 27th 2019
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      HIS MISOGYNYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Jun 27th 2019
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      Bruh, do you think "Chapter 3: How To Be a Pimp" is misogynistic?
Jun 27th 2019
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           I've never read from or even seen one of his books in person.
Jun 27th 2019
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           THIS IS IT! I wish we got to this point 250 posts ago.
Jun 28th 2019
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                The work you cited isn't saying what you say it is tho.
Jun 28th 2019
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           does anyone else think it's weird to go after Buddy Gilapagos
Jun 27th 2019
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boogie you want to play striking vipers with your boy?
Jun 27th 2019
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      This some Right Said Fred ish
Jun 27th 2019
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           to be fair, I apologize for the books I wrote and sold
Jun 27th 2019
254
thoughtful replies don't equal mad, bruh
Jun 27th 2019
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      Let da cipher say Amenhotep!
Jun 27th 2019
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      Boogie's #61 post was thoughtful.
Jun 28th 2019
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           Bruh, you just asked "why y'all mad?"
Jun 28th 2019
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           Bruh, you just asked "why y'all mad?"
Jun 28th 2019
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                RE: Bruh, you just asked "why y'all mad?"
Jun 28th 2019
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                     those people explained why they were mad at you tho.. lol
Jun 29th 2019
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He's trash
Jun 28th 2019
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don't bring up things dude has said or done.
Jun 28th 2019
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Do you also view the women who actually bedwench as trash, too?
Jun 29th 2019
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What is the definition of bedwenching behaviour (you british?)
Jun 29th 2019
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Do ya googlez..(you handicapped?)
Jun 29th 2019
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      I did, it goes back as far as Tariq Nasheed coined the term
Jun 29th 2019
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      RE: I did, it goes back as far as Tariq Nasheed coined the term
Jun 29th 2019
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      Behavior in american english is spelled without a "u"
Jun 29th 2019
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Nodrawls "I'm very concerned about respecting women" mcgrawlz
Jun 29th 2019
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This was RECENT. At least in 2016 at the latest, 2017 prolly
Jun 29th 2019
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TN has a point about black women that marry white men...
Jun 30th 2019
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      Yeah? What’s that point?
Jun 30th 2019
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      Bruh, put in your own work!
Jun 30th 2019
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           Kira said TN had a point, you agreed with neither of you saying what
Jun 30th 2019
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                Personal attacks are unwarranted.
Jun 30th 2019
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                That's an observation, what's the point of that observation
Jun 30th 2019
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                     the unique history of Black people?
Jun 30th 2019
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                          Meh, there's Jewish people that break bread with Nazi's
Jun 30th 2019
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                               your actually hurting your case with that example
Jun 30th 2019
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                                    I used the present tense on purpose
Jun 30th 2019
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                                         This is an active discussion in Asian communities, now
Jul 01st 2019
315
                Your narcissism is funny. Meat, do you think you're important to me?
Jun 30th 2019
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      True indeed.
Jun 30th 2019
296
If we’re debating the merits of Nasheed
Jun 29th 2019
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If our loyalty is to personalities rather than our political agenda
Jun 29th 2019
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      remember how I said he'd never address anything the guy does?
Jun 29th 2019
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MEAT
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1. "He’s a misogynist & bigot "
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And internet radicalization is a real thing with real consequences

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Cam
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2. "is there an example?"
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Mon Jun-24-19 03:05 PM by Cam

  

          

he seems to be an entertainer.
The times I've listened he speaks about women with reverence and respectfully, and is doting over his wife.

is the misogyny based on a different persona, from being on mtv teaching nerd to get girls--not this one where he's leading people astray politically?

  

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Mon Jun-24-19 03:02 PM

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4. "Are you trolling?"
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RrKhV0GBDr0

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6. "Not at all, I'm genuinely curious."
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I always see people mention the issue with him, and I always felt lost.
I know he's been around for a while, but I'm totally unfamiliar with the bigoted or anti-woman rhetoric.
So when I've checked out his pod, I have an open ear for the problematic...and can only find it in his lack of understanding of civics and the simple-minded efforts he promotes.

  

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7. "I got nothing for you. "
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Not even insults.

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5. "Listen to the lastest episode of his radio show, "Mistress,Side Piece..."
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Jump-Off,Ho"


http://macklessonsradio.com/index/episode-412-mistress-side-piece-jump-off-ho-


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11. "His latest? Damn. I thought he turned the page"
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Guess he did but it was blank.

My question is how the fuck do y’all know so much about him?

Only time I read his tweets is from OKP’s linking to him.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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15. "How to know that a trash person is still trash in 2019"
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That’s a tough one
What I did was unblock him on twitter so I could search his name with two separate searches
Tariq nasheed bedwenches
Tariq nasheed trans
It took seconds.

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20. "Dude puts in work. "
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I didn’t know he was still on that shit. I thought that was like.. his past and he wished up and moved on but dude is still on that shit?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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21. "It does say 2014 though."
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But right, I recognize the anti black woman issue.

  

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22. "I know him from this book in the 90's...:"
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https://www.abebooks.com/Art-Mackin-Tariq-Nasheed-Research-Associates/22619374996/bd?

I was surprised to find out that he had re-invented himself as a "blacktivist" lol

  

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52. "I'm imagining him running for prez and having an Art of the Deal situati..."
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Whenever Trump does something weird negotiation wise, a bunch of trumpsters are always like "those idiots never read The art of the deal" or "You'd understand if you read the art of the deal"

I'm picturing this dude being president and stans talking about "you need to read the Art of macking"

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23. "I literally just googled his name and misogyny. "
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3 clicks later I was at that podcast.

The other post I saw because someone retweeted him.

He also got into it with my boy online. I don't follow him, but his name keeps popping up.


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54. "I never hear about him unless his HATERS mention him,"
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same with Candace Owen.


Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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59. "It's not his latest. Buddy is lying b/c Buddy is a liar."
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His latest was about the reparations hearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkfoBG9uDBQ

He hasn't done Mack Lessons Radio in years now.

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65. "this shit is 5 years old, lol"
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i don't even like dude, but shit this a lie. His show has been politically focused for some time now.
I think his latest is about the reparations hearings

  

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14. "Ah, I see."
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I've never heard that pod series, just this one below.
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-mack-lessons-radio-show
But based on the title of that, I'm not going to listen, I get it.
He can't possibly still be maintaining these views, publicly, can he?

  

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17. "There’s a bottomless market for people that denigrate black women"
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It’s a fucking rainbow of humans.

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58. "You're lying."
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His latest podcast was about the reparations hearing, and it's called "The Butter Biscuit Bonanza" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkfoBG9uDBQ

The one you posted is from 2014, and he does a show weekly, so you're not just lying, you're BIG lying about that being his "latest" podcast.

I definitely wouldn't say he never said questionable stuff, but your credibility is more questionable than his if you gotta lie that hard to discredit him.

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72. "My bad. Like I mentioned in 23# above, I spent 5 minutes googling him"
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and that's what I saw as the latest podcast on that page. Now I see he has a new podcast page and now talks about weightier stuff.

So now that I have acknowledge that mistake on my part. Can we now talk about the shit he was talking up until 5 years ago? Is it not misogyny? Has he answered for it? Has he apologized? Has he every said his views changed on the subject? The shit was just 5 years ago and it's not like he is some kid.

My take is that true to huckster form he realized that the real market growth was in rebranded himself as a woke thoughtful person taking on deep topics and true enough people will follow.

Happy for you to explain what I am missing.



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81. "He hasn’t. "
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He’s shifted his hustle
Instead of openly hating LGBTQ folks he strips them of their humanity to talk about the ills of white people
an example:
Only mentions trans death to push it when it’s a white murderer
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1143430772520394752?s=21

Same as before
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1143430197682692096?s=21

Because it fits in with his agenda, “don’t talk bad about black men ever”
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1143414267762233344?s=21


Don’t cancel student loan debt because reverse reparations
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1143391105196576769?s=21


Only mentions this murder because he can blame the “white gay agenda”
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1142866437620396032?s=21



Because there’s a certain type of black person that if you couch everything in the evil white people, they’ll get on your squad. It’s Farrakhan redux

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96. "But u think ur degree & salary is why u're called "black yt"?"
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You can't be serious with this...

>He’s shifted his hustle
>Instead of openly hating LGBTQ folks he strips them of their
>humanity to talk about the ills of white people
>an example:
>Only mentions trans death to push it when it’s a white
>murderer
>https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1143430772520394752?s=21
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>Same as before
>https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1143430197682692096?s=21
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>Because it fits in with his agenda, “don’t talk bad about
>black men ever”
>https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1143414267762233344?s=21




Those first 3 all come from the same OPINION article that claims Black men are killing Black trans women at alarming rates. Said article names 4 slain Black trans women, but only one of them is known to have been killed by a Black male. One of them was even killed in police custody! So a Black man snuck into the station and killed her? Wtf is this article even talking about son? And that's just the start of the problems with the article. Beyond the weird and irresponsible typos, it's very obvious why the piece could't be classified as anything other than opinion. It's a clear hit piece on Black men. One that you totally overlooked in favor of attacking the Black man who had the self-respect to question it.
It ain't your degree or your salary, dude.



>Don’t cancel student loan debt because reverse reparations
>https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1143391105196576769?s=21


This literally has NOTHING to do with your premise of "openly hating LGBTQ folks he strips them of their humanity." Addressing the particulars of that discussion would be too lengthy to do here tho.


>Only mentions this murder because he can blame the “white
>gay agenda”
>https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1142866437620396032?s=21


I swear it's like you and Reeq don't be reading the links yall post. The article there isn't even available, but an available article about that situation says investigators were calling it a suicide, so if the article he has was deeming it transphobia, that does sound problematic especially given that it's an apparent Black male found HANGING. None of them deemed it racially motivated, and if you don't even think that's a possibly yourself, if anybody is actually calling you a "black yt" person, it *definitely* isn't about your salary or degree.

>Because there’s a certain type of black person that if you
>couch everything in the evil white people, they’ll get on
>your squad

There's also a certain type of black person who has adopted the century-old "black male savage" philosophy prevalent in suffragist's attempt to keep black men from voting and the KKK's drive to keep the white race pure through terrorism of black communities. If you couch everything is black misandry, MEAT... I mean they'll get on your squad.

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100. "I ain’t never been called black yt in my life. "
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Take your ankh right mavis beacon teaches typing ass on somewhere.
Two sentences.

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103. "Ah, so reply 75 was you being sensitive and making up stuff"
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over.... nothing?
Gotcha

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105. "I, personally, have never been referred to as a black yt"
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Don’t mean I haven’t seen the language
Y’all, personally, are dusty niggas that hate white people so much that you’re willing to let another dusty nigga hustle you.
You don’t even have to cut for white people to recognize an obvious grift but do you ole rush card dance.

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106. "Oh ok, well you're black yt."
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Because you hate yourself so much that anything vilifying black men appeals to you.
But do you ol' Margaret Sanger's black preacher boy ass nigga.

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107. "Guess my acidic mind can’t comprehend your alkaline thoughts "
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109. "My thoughts have a perfect pH balance"
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You're probably right about your comprehension tho.

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92. "No worries. Slander is never necessary."
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If a person is wrong, the truth will reveal that.

>So now that I have acknowledge that mistake on my part. Can
>we now talk about the shit he was talking up until 5 years
>ago?

No.

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97. "So your whole counter is based on me misspeaking and using the word"
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"latest"? That got you to shoot off ten post calling me and "Liar" but you have no wherewithal to discuss the underlying podcast in question?


SMH. You are a lightweight my dude.


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102. "Yeah"
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>"latest"? That got you to shoot off ten post calling me and
>"Liar" but you have no wherewithal to discuss the underlying
>podcast in question?


You come into the discussion with lies and want to be taken seriously LOL.


>SMH. You are a lightweight my dude.

And you are a lying fuck nigga with zero integrity who can't even hold to a truce. Nigga fuck you lol.

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261. "He organized a huge twitter attack against Feminista Jones"
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only a few years ago. He attempted to publicly humiliate her numerous times and his followers were threatening her on dammn near every platform.

  

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35. "Let's not forget homophobe."
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But yes. All of this.

  

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3. "I think he is a misogynist crab huckster. "
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8. "Prolly because of this"
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https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--HHhGqqGr--/ocwyucrp12gwbxvgv9qr.jpg

I’m not up on him but it seems any tweets on a subject are automatically discredited due to his old work.

What I find entertaining are the same folk who bashed him for his past transgressions... has their own misogynistic past on here as well.

But that’s my theory on the matter.

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10. "He has current transgressions "
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13. "Buddy’s post enlightened me. Lmao. "
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19. "I do not understand how some of y’all choose benefit of the doubt"
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It’s the internet. If someone is popular on the internet they’re typically “controversial” and for the last five years at least that means they’re on some bullshit

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27. "I've only read blind complaints"
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compared to the pods I've listened to, didn't quite know where it was from, beyond seemingly well intended, foolish misguided political directives which his listenership eats up.
I have a couple different low-info friend groups (one is the barbershop) of people (mostly men and the women are their wives) who seem to swear by his political pronouncements.

  

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195. "His passionate detractors seem to have a hard time..."
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making the distinction between 1) those like yourself who separate the sensible from the nonsensical and 2) those like some of your associates who swear by him. It's like anything short of total denouncement of the guy sends their brains into shock mode, so if you only casually listen to him, they ridicule or attack you until you denounce him. That's why I call it a bully tactic.
MEAT is a fantastic example of that in this post.
Rjcc is doing it to Dr Claw right here in this post over the ADOS issue and youtube. He's also doing it to him in the MJ death anniversary post about youtube. Respect to Dr Claw for calling BS both times.

Sidenote tho, I only know one dude who kinda swears by Nasheed, a coworker. I find the basic "problem" with his political convo is that he likes to listen to opinionated people rather than those with a heavier focus on a critical analysis of statistical research. Funny thing is Tariq's staunchest detractors are often the very same way. I'm not sure if that's your experience with the staunch Nasheed followers, but I actually liked when he started saying "ADOS" hoping maybe some of his followers would start listening to Yvette and Tone and do some more focused learning. Alotta folks just like how entertaining and silly Tariq is tho.

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198. "It’s not to bully you. "
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I insulted yes. But my goal isn’t to persuade you to my point
It’s to firmly stand where mine is
I don’t cherry pick “good” from awful people

Like to me there’s not a good thing that Bill Cosby, Steve Harvey, Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Gweneth Paltrow ... (you’re getting my point) can say that lends itself to positively acknowledging. All you have in this world is credibility and once you burn it by being snake oil, there’s no message to be taken from you.

So I don’t. At all. Any bit. Concede positivity to these types.
Nobody is a perfect messenger. But there are some genuinely awful ones being lent ears and being elevated in spite of what their imperfections do.
There’s a WORLD of scholarship that’s being ignored for elevating people that do legit harm. The Tariq Nasheeds of the world don’t harm me. But their words, manipulations, hustles, misleadings do harm people I know and people that I align with and I’m not willing to sell those folks out.

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238. "Not ignoring this...just left it to the conversation we having under 190"
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If you want me to address something specific tho, lemme know

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60. "Buddy's post was a lie"
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9. "He failed when he debated Tucker Carlson"
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12. "How’d he fail? He hates Black people like also"
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Just differently.

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16. "Ouch"
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I was going to ask you about the bigot part.

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18. "Look up his views on LGBTQ"
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183. "Man that Taylor debate was horrible."
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Like... why even do it if that's what you're gonna bring to the table?

Shit was worse than Adrien Broner saying he boxing for the hood, then getting his ass beat. Don't represent us like that son lol.

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186. "Exactly"
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>Like... why even do it if that's what you're gonna bring to
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I was smh after watching that.

>Shit was worse than Adrien Broner saying he boxing for the
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24. "Speaking of Tariq Nasheed (c) OkayPlayer"
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As stated...haven't come across dude's name outside the boards

Shouldn't be that hard to ignore dude...instead of giving him life.

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25. "he's central in this #ADOS movements strategy to gain reparations"
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26. "Then maybe you should second guess that movement. "
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29. "I'm not part of any hashtag movements, no need to second guess."
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except for #BlackMenDontCheat

  

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28. "central...how?"
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outside of hashtags and podcasts...what is his contribution to furthering that cause

other than having an opinion and a platform

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sincerely asking

I only see his name on the boards

You're making it sound like he is an authority on ADOS

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Couldn't possibly be highjacking the movement for self fulfillment...could he?

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30. "I only see him on Twitter"
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https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed

  

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31. "."
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63. "He's not central in the ADOS movement at all"
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Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell are central to the movement.
It's also been a movement long before it was a "hashtag."

Tariq simply liked the concept and got on board with it. He neither created the movement nor dictates the direction of it.

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87. "What is your basis for saying either of those people are central to the"
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Reparations movement?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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93. "I said the ADOS movement..."
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and my basis for saying that is that they created the "American Descendants of Slaves" term to identify those in need of reparations from the American government.

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32. "What about Shaun King?"
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I seem to remember seeing ire attached to his name on here as well. What's the complaint about him?

  

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33. "Bruh. Put in your own work. "
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37. "I'm specifcially asking about OKPs take"
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My own work does not portray Shaun King as problematic, though the sentiment here has in the past.

  

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40. "OKP has never been monolith "
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I don’t fuck with the dude at all
But for a completely separate reason as Tariq
But that doesn’t mean OKP doesn’t.

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41. "I'm not asking for monolithic answers"
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Simply what the criticisms people here have.

Specifically because in my twitter dealings I only find trollish criticisms, and I rarely give trolls any credit.

If you dont want to answer, don't, but why bother answering saying 'do your own research'?

This is my research, I'm going to the primary source--of people with beef.

  

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45. "Cool. Happy Monday. "
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34. "Bruv...you obviously have the internet"
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You're seriously comparing Tariq to Shaun...?

SMH@recipes lost

To answer your question...there was some controversy over whether Shaun was Black, black or Dolezal

But his effort toward furthering causes...I haven't seen that questioned

he's also published...so there's that

Mayne, FOH with this.

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36. "My very first thought."
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>You're seriously comparing Tariq to Shaun...?

  

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44. "My benign question outraged you, seriously?"
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I find that hard to believe.

  

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86. "I'm sorry..."
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... where did I say or even suggest I was outraged?

  

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90. "I'm sorry"
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I was on a wheel of defensive responses and rolled into you.

  

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91. "Ha. Fair enough."
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94. "LOL"
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>I was on a wheel of defensive responses and rolled into you.
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38. "I'm not comparing anyone, just looking for clarity about personalites."
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You are some uniquely opinionated people.
What did I write alluding to a comparison?

  

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39. "So you don't know how to use the internet or the search function"
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How'd you get here?

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42. "I know you're flabbergasted"
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But think back to a few replies ago when you wrote "As stated...haven't come across dude's name outside the boards"

Similarly, I haven't come across non-troll critiques of either individual Twitter personality, outside of the boards.

  

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43. "That 5G might render you obsolete"
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LOL.

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46. "we're doing this "does the literal con artist have a point?""
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thing again?


how do you miss this?

the way a con is run: you take a thing that is in some way true, or that your target thinks is true, then you warp it into a problem that can only be solved by them giving you money.

anyone who disagrees simply doesn't want to win enough or is a hater.

you never actually solver or address the problem that was brought up because that's not what you do.

this is EVERY CON.

how do you not see these motherfuckers coming?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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47. "Seems like a charismatic preacher type to me, so this makes sense."
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I've heard him peddle tickets for his movie to his listeners on his pod.

  

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62. "You said his proposed solution was not voting tho"
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How does that proposed solution involve you giving him money?
Didn't Rjcc just say he "warps truth, real or perceived, into a problem that can ONLY be solved by you giving him money"?
Your own assessment in the OP alone has already deemed that statement false. So it can't make sense. Either it's a lie, or the OP is. Both can't be true.

Even still, if you want to call him a con, make a case. But selling tickets to one's own independent film definitely doesn't qualify anyone as such. What kind of logic is that?

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116. "PLEASE READ BOOGIES POST."
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there's nothing I could ever say about this lying ignorant shit that he can't make more clear about himself right here.

HE TOLD YOU NOT TO VOTE SO HE'S NOT A CON ARTIST BECAUSE IF YOU ONLY NARROW DOWN TO THE ONE THING HE SAID THAT ISN'T ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING THEN YOU...uh...something.


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167. "Yes, please do! Please also take note of what a LIAR rjcc is."
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Not only is the boy one of THEE shittiest scumbag abominations on the face of the earth for what he did to Case_One, but he's a habitual liar... who repeatedly contradicts himself in an attempt to peddle his sorry ass agenda.

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197. "what'd I do to case? did I lie? did I change the subject?"
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oh wait, lying and changing the subject is what you do.

my bad I was confusing you with someone who has integrity.

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204. "Unnecessarily brought up a sensitive situation to him but u know"
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Everything else you're talkin is you grasping at straws.
You've thoroughly proven yourself a scumbag on these boards.

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209. "yeah, if I were you I'd try to change the subject away from my lies too."
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that's the only thing you ever find necessary.

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211. "Here you go again. Lying, yet accusing me of lying. "
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& on & on & on you'll keep going

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212. "I didn't accuse you of lying. you lied. and I mentioned it."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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213. "And you lie again. You just can't stop."
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48. "He looks like he'd ask your wife "are you happy?""
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Never listened to any of his stuff, not even sure what he sounds like. I get a weird vibe from his persona.

  

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49. "theres weird venn diagrams"
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with intersections b/w the scammers, reformed scammers, true believers, genuine idiots, useful idiots, folk that peek into the different groups and dip out, etc.


yvette carnell and tone talks are credited for started #ados while tariq has #tangibles / #tangibles2020. after the mack lessons era he did the hidden colors dvds, that got him the fauxtep youtube audience, which migrated to twitter, and here we are.


shaun king, other than the passing/dolezal accusations...
he is accused of capitalizing on the tragedies, part of the "rode the ferguson protests to personal fame/opportunity" crew... creating activist /justice movements that take money and dont deliver



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51. "I appreciate both succinct answers"
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insightful
thank you

  

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50. "Plus he's 6'5" and probably can't dunk"
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53. "I was listening to Tariq since Mack Lessons"
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people hate anything remotely pro black. He actually explained his journey in moving towards overtly promoting our story.

Half the people on Okayplayer are Black yt folks anyway.

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55. "NEVER FORGET THIS PART -----"
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>Half the people on Okayplayer are Black yt folks anyway.


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66. "lol.. damn"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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75. "Niggas manage to post mustily"
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Tue Jun-25-19 09:00 AM by MEAT

  

          

And now every nigga with a degree and salary is white adjacent because they some 40 year old failures and wanna chalk up rightful suspicion of coon ass con men with being brain washed by the white men

Shits all jokes until they’ve spent their life savings investing in nag champa and alkaline water while Dr change my name to something remotely African sounding scams them on some real estate because they gonna build the black silicon wall street valley for education and enlightenment.

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111. "When the passive-aggressive insults come right out..."
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...you already know what time it is.

>Half the people on Okayplayer are Black yt folks anyway.

  

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114. "Boogie, Musa, Kira"
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Tue Jun-25-19 02:56 PM by MEAT

  

          

NNN

But you can get lumped in too. Old trying to play reasonable ass but too embarrassed to say you agree with dumb people
Ain’t even about black, white, or adjacent
Niggas just dumb
And gotta piggyback on articulate dumb niggas to make a thought since they can’t form coherence on their own.
Don’t even have to read books to be proven wrong, could read articles
But nah. Let the con men get y’all on some predatory black shit.

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115. "Damn."
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120. "Man if you don't get ur blackkklansman ass outta here"
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You got enough black misandry in reply 81 alone to fill your own Ethnological Institute. Misinformed nigga posting opinion pieces like they're facts and gonna call another human being dumb. Same nigga raving on the board about white women licking black dude's asses in pornos. Sit yo confused ass down.

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121. "Link me that post. "
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If I said it link to it

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127. "Sure thing: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&to..."
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Tue Jun-25-19 04:23 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13277324&mesg_id=13277324&listing_type=search#13277385

(begin quote)
"I'd say Blackedraw does the best
Blacked still does the narratives and scenarios
Blackedraw is just basically night cameras and fucking. Hell there was a screen shot a few months ago with a black man getting a rim job (?) from a white woman. PROGRESS!
I really don’t do black white porn, but you catch the narratives and ... sheesh."
(end quote)
- MEAT


Nigga said PROGRESS! 😂 I can't make this stuff up, ladies and gentlemen.



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130. "I’m sorry that you thought capital progress was sincere "
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Particularly since it was followed up with literally the next sentence in “I really don’t do white porn”

And preceded as a response to



“at least i assume it is since that's the only site from that network that got a spinoff.
solid site.

the cuck shit is totally lost on me tho”

And the conversation wasn’t about what’s good. It’s about what’s the least exploitative.
I should’nt have to had to explain that.

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132. "U really tryna explain away praising yt women licking blk man ass"
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Hilarious.

U don't watch it but you know which outlet does the best...

Man stop hiding from yourself.

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299. "LOL."
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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180. "Damn bruh, I'm on your side and you went all scorched Earth on me"
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Wed Jun-26-19 10:29 AM by flipnile

          

And what dumb people do I agree with? Name names fam. I make my own mind up. Ain't gotta follow some other dude's opinion.

Be like walking on eggshells on OKP sometimes. It's all good tho. Y'all still my peoples.

>NNN
>
>But you can get lumped in too. Old trying to play reasonable
>ass but too embarrassed to say you agree with dumb people
>Ain’t even about black, white, or adjacent
>Niggas just dumb
>And gotta piggyback on articulate dumb niggas to make a
>thought since they can’t form coherence on their own.
>Don’t even have to read books to be proven wrong, could read
>articles
>But nah. Let the con men get y’all on some predatory black
>shit.

  

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188. "That’s when you know folks are in their feelings"
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You tried to jump in on his side and he jabbed you.. lmao.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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189. "He couldn't wait to let out that frustration he held in from reply 96"
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lmao

flipnile: yeah brother that passive-aggress...
MEAT: BOOGIEEEEEEE

Nigga really said you just gotta read articles, but look at the garbage opinion articles the boy be posting. No wonder facts make him mad. They crush that lil fictional world he done created in his head.

I wasn't even tryna go hard on dude, just having a friendly debate, but if this what it is, let the fun begin.

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320. "I'm DYIN over here!"
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I knew I wasn't the only one peepin dude bullshit!



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64. "Key takeaways:"
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>people hate anything remotely pro black.

>Half the people on Okayplayer are Black yt folks anyway.

  

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112. "Post could've ended right here!"
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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260. "There is literally nothing pro-black about that dusty fauxteper nm"
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264. "Fake how"
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?

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56. "RE: Speaking of Tariq Nasheed"
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>What's the issue with him?

he's an idiot

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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122. "He is purely entertainment + an idiot, "
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anyone who is listening to him and expecting Dr Amos Wilson is a FOOL.



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163. "afrogirl falsely said Dr. Amos Wilson was misogynistic bro"
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She NEVER qualified that statement, because she can't. I know she can't because his lack of misogyny is one of the reasons I admire the man so much. He believed in the job being done by the best person for the job. Period. Lifted up those doing great work, regardless of gender, etc.

But this is how that whole ilk gets down. If the Black person isn't cosigned by the right white people, they just spread any lie about them. Funny thing is, she vehemently agreed with one of his ideas that I've shared on here and she didn't even know it. Smh.

And any of yall can tell her I'm talking about her.

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176. "What is wrong with you? Seriously."
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>She NEVER qualified that statement, because she can't. I
>know she can't because his lack of misogyny is one of the
>reasons I admire the man so much. He believed in the job
>being done by the best person for the job. Period. Lifted up
>those doing great work, regardless of gender, etc.
>
>But this is how that whole ilk gets down. If the Black person
>isn't cosigned by the right white people, they just spread any
>lie about them. Funny thing is, she vehemently agreed with
>one of his ideas that I've shared on here and she didn't even
>know it. Smh.

Someone doesn't agree with you it's because it's not cosigned by the right white person? Do you hear yourself?

Your posture in this post is on equity, but still... odd.

  

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177. "What's wrong with YOU?"
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>Someone doesn't agree with you it's because it's not cosigned
>by the right white person? Do you hear yourself?

Did you read what I said? Her "disagreement" was BS because what she said was just plain false.
As for people not being cosigned by the right white people, I've noticed a trend in that regard. It's either that or that the person doesn't lead with intersectional talking points that will cause the bulk of OKP to write the person off.

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178. "RE: What's wrong with YOU?"
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>>Someone doesn't agree with you it's because it's not
>cosigned
>>by the right white person? Do you hear yourself?
>
>Did you read what I said? Her "disagreement" was BS because
>what she said was just plain false.

False from YOUR perspective, I imagine. But there's also her perspective.

>As for people not being cosigned by the right white people,
>I've noticed a trend in that regard.

It's either that or that
>the person doesn't lead with intersectional talking points
>that will cause the bulk of OKP to write the person off.

Yes. And rightfully so. You don't get to pick and choose the kind of black people you advocate for. That's colossal bullshit so yes, unless and until I see intersectionality central to his/her advocacy/message, their credibility is limited with me.

That has ZERO to do with white people. I (and I suspect others) give ZERO fucks about that and to reduce it to some sort of white favor we're trying to curry rather than holding our own accountable is reductive and offensive.
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179. "RE: What's wrong with YOU?"
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Wed Jun-26-19 10:30 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

>False from YOUR perspective, I imagine. But there's also her
>perspective.


That's just it, her perspective doesn't exist, because she disappeared when I asked her to validate her statement. She continued posting here... just not in response to that. So nah, there actually ISN'T her perspective.



>Yes. And rightfully so. You don't get to pick and choose the
>kind of black people you advocate for. That's colossal
>bullshit so yes, unless and until I see intersectionality
>central to his/her advocacy/message, their credibility is
>limited with me.


And therein lies the problem. Intersectionality has become a framework that hinges on things that aren't true to the professed meaning of the discipline... such as the incorrect assumption that being both black and male makes one privileged, when in reality it makes one a target. You're looking for a superficial claim of equal advocacy, when some disagree with the evolution of the intersectionality discipline for reasons that are anything but superficial, and it is precisely BECAUSE we advocate for ALL black people. This is where these buzzwords and hashtags become detrimental and even dangerous, as you attack your own allies.


>That has ZERO to do with white people. I (and I suspect
>others) give ZERO fucks about that and to reduce it to some
>sort of white favor we're trying to curry rather than holding
>our own accountable is reductive and offensive.


This is why I said "It's either that, or"... meaning the two are different or "have zero (or at least very little, but that's a different discusson) to do with" one another as you put it other than the targets at which the judgments are aimed.



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181. "Yeah. We ain't gonna agree."
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>>False from YOUR perspective, I imagine. But there's also
>her
>>perspective.
>
>
>That's just it, her perspective doesn't exist, because she
>disappeared when I asked her to validate her statement. She
>continued posting here... just not in response to that. So
>nah, there actually ISN'T her perspective.
>
>
>
>>Yes. And rightfully so. You don't get to pick and choose the
>>kind of black people you advocate for. That's colossal
>>bullshit so yes, unless and until I see intersectionality
>>central to his/her advocacy/message, their credibility is
>>limited with me.
>
>
>And therein lies the problem. Intersectionality has become a
>framework that hinges on things that aren't true to the
>professed meaning of the discipline... such as the incorrect
>assumption that being both black and male makes one
>privileged, when in reality it makes one a target.

Incorrect? Assumption? Yeah. We ain't gonna agree.

You're
>looking for a superficial claim of equal advocacy, when some
>disagree with the evolution of the intersectionality
>discipline for reasons that are anything but superficial, and
>it is precisely BECAUSE we advocate for ALL black people.
>This is where these buzzwords and hashtags become detrimental
>and even dangerous, as you attack your own allies.

Reducing the notion of intersectionality to buzzwords and hashtags (as if no one else has the capacity to think critically and form their own opinion b/c we only pray to the alter of Twitter) is condescending, wrong-headed, and offensive. We are on opposite ends of the thought spectrum on this and aren't going to agree so there's no need to take this any further.

I'll just say that because I (and others) hold our own accountable for advocating for ALL of us, and call them out on shitty views and language is not attacking black men (that idea is misogyny at its finest, but I digress), so stop saying that. It really makes folks look silly when they say that. If a black men happens to be a trash human, and I hold him accountable for that, that has fuck all to do with how I feel about black men as a community. Folks need to stop choosing shitty hills to die on.

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182. "We don't have to..."
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I genuinely believe there is some understanding to be reached, but I don't think yall want to reach it. But anyway, I'll address what you've said...


>Reducing the notion of intersectionality to buzzwords and
>hashtags (as if no one else has the capacity to think
>critically and form their own opinion b/c we only pray to the
>alter of Twitter) is condescending, wrong-headed, and
>offensive.


What you've overlooked is that I didn't reduce intersectionality... I reduced the most common interpretation of it. At it's core, in theory, it's very sensible. The problem is that facts and stats are overlooked, mainly regarding black male suffering... said suffering is even cited as a privilege of black men. If people would seriously examine this and have mature conversations/realizations about it, we could elevate the conversation, but people are too afraid to be "canceled", called "trash" and all that. Like I said, there's understanding right in front of us to be reached.


>I'll just say that because I (and others) hold our own
>accountable for advocating for ALL of us, and call them out on
>shitty views and language is not attacking black men (that
>idea is misogyny at its finest, but I digress) so stop saying
>that. It really makes folks look silly when they say that. If
>a black men happens to be a trash human, and I hold him
>accountable for that, that has fuck all to do with how I feel
>about black men as a community. Folks need to stop choosing
>shitty hills to die on.


Let's not tell one another what to say or not to say. I'll say what I think is true, and I encourage you to do the same. Otherwise, this isn't an honest conversation.
Now, at no point have I said that hating ONE black male means that you, or anyone, hates all black men. That doesn't even make sense. I can only assume you're talking about the fact that I did accuse someone in here of hating black men... and I say that because that person cosigns an article that blames black males for deaths that have no suspects, and even have white males as the mostly likely suspects. How can you not at LEAST see that as problematic, and at worst, internalized racism?


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184. "Yes."
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>I genuinely believe there is some understanding to be
>reached, but I don't think yall want to reach it. But anyway,
>I'll address what you've said...

Yes. You are the only one that wants to reach an understanding.

  

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185. "Word"
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200. "Yeah the "Blue Check" Blacks support EVERY mainstream"
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liberal venture, LIKE EVERY SINGLE ONE, it's pathetic AF.




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263. "Yup. Whole cloth, with no critical analysis at all "
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Black petite bourgeoisie is a fucking disaster, politically

  

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199. "I don't know Afrogirl but this much is TRUE - - -"
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> If the Black person
>isn't cosigned by the right white people, they just spread any
>lie about them.


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262. "Wait, what?"
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When did I ever say that?? I've studied Wilson extensively and don't agree with him on a lot of things, but I can't ever remember saying he was a misogynist. He and John Henrike Clarke are actually some of the African centered scholars I grew up on and admire the most.

Dude, foh. We don't mess with some of your faves because their pro-blackness is actually white supremacy. I read everything so miss me with your faux condecension.

  

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265. "http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13054..."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13054501&mesg_id=13054501&listing_type=search#13054835

You very offensively lumped him in with Umar Johnson and said he has "trouble understanding intersectionality and gender oppression." You didn't use the word "misogynist" but from what I can tell, this is one and the same from the way approach ppl over these points on here and the "yall hate women" tag. I could be wrongly lumping you in with rjcc, lfresh, IkeMoses, astralblak and some other folks, and if I am, my apologies. If not tho. It is what it is.



>Dude, foh. We don't mess with some of your faves because their
>pro-blackness is actually white supremacy. I read everything
>so miss me with your faux condecension.

Not sure why yall think he's "one of my faves" just because I defend his humanity. I barely know Case_One at all, and I was on here defending him the other day because I felt he was being done wrong. This is basic humanity.



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281. "So, I didn't say it *rolls eyes*"
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>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13054501&mesg_id=13054501&listing_type=search#13054835
>
>You very offensively lumped him in with Umar Johnson and said
>he has "trouble understanding intersectionality and gender
>oppression." You didn't use the word "misogynist" but from
>what I can tell, this is one and the same from the way
>approach ppl over these points on here and the "yall hate
>women" tag. I could be wrongly lumping you in with rjcc,
>lfresh, IkeMoses, astralblak and some other folks, and if I
>am, my apologies. If not tho. It is what it is.
>
>
>
>>Dude, foh. We don't mess with some of your faves because
>their
>>pro-blackness is actually white supremacy. I read everything
>>so miss me with your faux condecension.
>
>Not sure why yall think he's "one of my faves" just because I
>defend his humanity. I barely know Case_One at all, and I was
>on here defending him the other day because I felt he was
>being done wrong. This is basic humanity.
>



  

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282. "Not directly, but given your views on who u lumped him in with"
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it makes sense to think that's what you were saying.
I'd said nothing about Umar Johnson, but you said I did AND lumped Dr. Wilson in with him. Here's your shortlist of what makes Umar disgraceful:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13221891&mesg_id=13221891&listing_type=search#13225091
If you'll notice, misogyny is the first thing on it.
You may or may not want to cite exactly why you said about you said about Dr. Wilson, and you may or may not want to explain why you inserted Umar into that conversation SOLELY to conflate him with Dr. Wilson, but at the very least, you must see that it was irresponsible.

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311. "For the record, "
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you have repeatedly called Buddy a liar in this very post (long after he acknowledged and took responsibility for misspeaking, btw) yet, you're doing the same thing without the accountability. You're refusing to acknowledge that she never said he was a misogynist -- instead you are doubling down.

  

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312. "RE: For the record, "
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>you have repeatedly called Buddy a liar in this very post
>(long after he acknowledged and took responsibility for
>misspeaking, btw) yet, you're doing the same thing without the
>accountability. You're refusing to acknowledge that she never
>said he was a misogynist -- instead you are doubling down.


Funny how you can jump in here to say that, but you can't also say that she lied about me citing Umar in that post (which I did not do). Also notice I didn't call her a liar for that, because I don't know her to make a habit of it.
Misogyny is the first strike she mentions against Umar. Maybe YOU can explain why she brought Umar into that conversation to conflate him with Dr. Wilson, a man she purports to respect so much... especially amid an accusation of not understanding gender oppression and intersectionality. Even IF I'm off-base, it ain't far enough that my suspicion isn't justified, so yeah.... doubling all the way down.


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314. "I'm pointing out the hypocrisy."
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You said she called him a misogynist. She did not as evidenced by the post you yourself linked.

Just waiting on the self-reflection and integrity.

>>you have repeatedly called Buddy a liar in this very post
>>(long after he acknowledged and took responsibility for
>>misspeaking, btw) yet, you're doing the same thing without
>the
>>accountability. You're refusing to acknowledge that she
>never
>>said he was a misogynist -- instead you are doubling down.
>
>
>Funny how you can jump in here to say that, but you can't also
>say that she lied about me citing Umar in that post (which I
>did not do). Also notice I didn't call her a liar for that,
>because I don't know her to make a habit of it.
>Misogyny is the first strike she mentions against Umar. Maybe
>YOU can explain why she brought Umar into that conversation to
>conflate him with Dr. Wilson, a man she purports to respect so
>much... especially amid an accusation of not understanding
>gender oppression and intersectionality. Even IF I'm
>off-base, it ain't far enough that my suspicion isn't
>justified, so yeah.... doubling all the way down.
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318. "Your own?"
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I already addressed that when I said "not directly".
When are you going to admit that she said I mentioned Umar when I didn't? You aren't, because you don't point out when your friends lie.

Where's your integrity?

Crazy how yall can come in here and set this precedent that it's irresponsible to bring up Tariq because he's accused of being a misogynist and homophobe, but your girl conflates someone she deems a misogynist and homophobe with someone she claims to respect, and that's not a problem at all.

Just waiting on the self-reflection and integrity.

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316. "You really have too much time on your hands"
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and I honestly don't remember this conversation.

Umar is a misogynist. He is not a legitimate scholar. He makes a mockery of African-centered thought. I'm not sure why he is even a topic of discussion amongst serious thinkers. I wouldn't call Amos Wilson a misogynist, but like many African-centered scholars of his era, he does not articulate the struggles of black women in a manner that resonates with my politics. Nor do I find his commentary on black women particularly useful. You seem to have a problem with black leftists (especially black feminists) who challenge the ideas of African-centered scholars. It's annoying and childish because there is so much to learn from both schools of thought.

  

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319. "Hard to forget someone conflating Umar with Dr. Wilson."
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>and I honestly don't remember this conversation.


I didn't think you would. That's why I linked it.


>Umar is a misogynist. He is not a legitimate scholar. He makes
>a mockery of African-centered thought. I'm not sure why he is
>even a topic of discussion amongst serious thinkers. I
>wouldn't call Amos Wilson a misogynist, but like many
>African-centered scholars of his era, he does not articulate
>the struggles of black women in a manner that resonates with
>my politics. Nor do I find his commentary on black women
>particularly useful.


Ok, sounds like you think differently about them. Which is fine, but very irresponsible to conflate the two when I didn't even mention Umar and especially given the precedent being set here that it's irresponsible to bring up people like Tariq and Umar.


>You seem to have a problem with black
>leftists (especially black feminists) who challenge the ideas
>of African-centered scholars. It's annoying and childish
>because there is so much to learn from both schools of
>thought.
>


I don't at all actually. I just like for there to be more than the accusation. If you have problems with any scholar, cite what they've said that you have a problem with (in context), and let's discuss it. What's childish is just calling them or their readers names and accusations with no proof or actual citation or analysis. That's not a discussion. That's playground antics.

All-in-all I do have some level of respect for you, and for what it's worth, I apologize for coming at you the way I did in here.



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273. "people hate on the messenger without listening to the message"
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>But this is how that whole ilk gets down. If the Black person
>isn't cosigned by the right white people, they just spread any
>lie about them. Funny thing is, she vehemently agreed with
>one of his ideas that I've shared on here and she didn't even
>know it. Smh.


I like engaging in discussion and bringing up points (whether it be Tariq or somebody else's) and watch people vehemently agree. I do this a lot actually. I want the person to focus on what's being said, not on who is saying/has said it.

It is like the Affordable Health Care Act. When people (especially those who voted Republican) read or truly hear what is actually in it, most are in favor. When it is called Obamacare, people tend to hate and call it the worst ever.

You shouldn't have to be perfect when speaking on politics or speaking out against injustice. Al Sharpton and Malcolm X both had very questionable pasts, but it didn't stop them from being right on certain topics several years later. Rev. Dr. King and Jesse Jackson made dishonest mistakes in their personal lives; doesn't mean the important things they said should easily be dismissed.

I like everyone from Cornell West all the way down to Ta nahisi Coates. Do they all agree with each other on everything? Hell no. But when attacking such a systemic system of injustice in America (as well as the globe), it has to be attacked from all sides and each different voice is a piece to solving the giant puzzle.


  

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275. "this is silly. you don't learn from con artists."
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he is a con artist.

he is not a professor of anything. he has never been elected anything, he is qualified to do nothing and his history is to attack black women.


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276. "Yeah... cult of personality era."
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>I like engaging in discussion and bringing up points (whether
>it be Tariq or somebody else's) and watch people vehemently
>agree. I do this a lot actually. I want the person to focus on
>what's being said, not on who is saying/has said it.
>
>It is like the Affordable Health Care Act. When people
>(especially those who voted Republican) read or truly hear
>what is actually in it, most are in favor. When it is called
>Obamacare, people tend to hate and call it the worst ever.




You see it
Don't you just love when people switch how they feel about a fact when they learn who said it?
That's one of the most dangerous things about this "cancel culture" and "trash human being" era. People are denying the truth based on who says it. We shot ourselves in the foot when Trump said Black people are poor, because instead of asking him what he was gonna DO about Black people being poor, folks denied the truth of the statement based on who said it. This is huge part of being politically mature, and that's loyalty to an AGENDA rather than loyalty to personalities.



>You shouldn't have to be perfect when speaking on politics or
>speaking out against injustice. Al Sharpton and Malcolm X both
>had very questionable pasts, but it didn't stop them from
>being right on certain topics several years later. Rev. Dr.
>King and Jesse Jackson made dishonest mistakes in their
>personal lives; doesn't mean the important things they said
>should easily be dismissed.
>
>I like everyone from Cornell West all the way down to Ta
>nahisi Coates. Do they all agree with each other on
>everything? Hell no. But when attacking such a systemic system
>of injustice in America (as well as the globe), it has to be
>attacked from all sides and each different voice is a piece to
>solving the giant puzzle.



Yep. Again, I think what you're describing is loyalty to an agenda. That's how anyone gets their political agendas accomplished. If we'll deny our own agenda when it's spoken by someone we don't like, then we end up working against our own agenda. Trump already used that tactic to play us.
To your point tho, if we throw away our own in an oppressed and marginalized community based the effects thereof, that's just self-defeating, as there is a much larger picture here. Our communities are often filled with men and women engaging in activities for survival, that they wouldn't otherwise have to engage in if we weren't marginalized. We haven't been given the mental health treatment we've deserved despite enduring slavery, Jim Crow, and constant racism. Most of us will be fucked up to some degree, some greater than others. Understanding and learning to build one another up DESPITE that is Black love. The necessity for folks to be canceled, called trash, and treated with pure hostility is way rarer than folks are making it. Folks are getting canceled and cut off every day from ppl irl, to twitter, to celebs, and then folks wonder why we not making progress.
Lastly, I like your point about different pieces to the puzzle. One thing I do like about Tariq is that dude has reached certain people that I never thought would be reached, and has them paying attention to politics and unjustices, living more consciously, etc. There are certain people that professors in college just don't reach. His past and where he comes from is very instrumental in that imo. Alotta his antics turn me off, but it seems to be what draws others in. *shrugs*




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278. "see how this fuckin loser just lies?"
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he'll never address the things the guy has done and that they're the reason he defends him.

there's no limit to the shitness you're full of

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279. "?????"
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>he'll never address the things the guy has done and that
>they're the reason he defends him.
>

What has he done?

Wait, so people defend him because he attacks Black women? Who has he specifically attacked to make that person's life worse? Who can't live because of Tariq Nasheed?

Or is it a type of woman he makes fun of and THAT is where the 'he hates women' come from?

I've actually learned more about injustice towards Black women from him than any other media outlet. There are a lot of cases that don't get that media shine that he sheds light on.

  

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290. "imagine being such a dumb motherfucker"
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that you fall for this con

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293. "go ahead and list all of the action you've taken in support"
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of the women tariq has informed you about.

specifically, the the things you've done that have helped anyone.

then list the things he's done in support of them.





when you're done making that completely blank list with nothing on it, maybe someone can inform you that even a motherfucker as ignorant as you should be able to figure out that tariq has been exploiting these incidents to get attention without actually doing anything about them.

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307. "since civility is not your strong suit"
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Let me break it down for you in terms you would understand.

Look shit for brains, the last time I checked, listening to a podcast is free so miss me with that con artist shit you stupid motherfucker. If you stop being such a dickwad, unclog those crusty sperm filled ears and listen, you would know that the best help is teaching people the game, increase awareness, then having those people empower themselves.

Tariq has given money to victims' families to help funeral costs. He keep certain topics in the spotlight: women getting attacked in stores by store owners, mysterious deaths of young Black women at the hands of white partners with lack of punishment or interrogation. Cops pulling guns and/or roughing up little Black girls and boys for whatever reason. How some White women are intimidated/jealous of Black women and the contempt they have for them; especially those that are exceptionally smart and/or attractive.
Tariq goes on and on about how Black women are constantly violated, disrespected, and constantly calls Black men to action. Reminding men that they need to step up regarding respect and do a better job defending their sistas. Tariq also helped with a rally in New York regarding a young boy where the cops were called on him because he accidentally brushed up against a white woman claiming he sexually harassed her. There is more but don't have time for that shit.

Now shitface, as for me, I too have helped people but I won't go into detail because it is none of your fucking business. When helping others, it is about them, not myself so there is no need to speak on it....especially to you barf boy. Your mental capacity is so low and emotions so fragile, you will never understand anything higher than middle school.

Now get a dusty splintered broomstick and go fuck yourself.

  

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308. "You know who does all those things also? Black women"
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309. "I believe the question was 'what has he done?'"
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and to a lesser extent, me. Quite specific and direct. I am aware Black women have done the same, or something similar, but the answer did not require mention.

Q: What has TN done? What have you done?

A: Black Women has done......

doesn't correlate.

  

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310. "Fair "
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313. "lmao goddamn ether"
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57. "Very polarizing....but White Supremacists HATE that dude"
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even had him swatted. For that, he is doing something right.

Tariq has faults that were already pointed out in earlier posts (i.e. homophobic, misogynist). The podcasts I have heard, he mostly points out racism within the lgbtqia and feminist movements. I haven't heard him be on some "I'd kill my son if he was gay" Tracy Morgan type steez. I have heard him shout out the gay community and often reference women scholars during his podcasts. Unfortunately, he likes to joke around too much and I think it derails a few of his podcasts. It's the type of talk you would hear on the streets....especially if you came up during the 80's and 90's.

If people get out their feelings, they'd see that he makes a few good points a brings up interesting topics for discussion.

I agree with you regarding the whole withholding votes thing. It would hurt us just as much. I think Tariq might be on some Kanye 'don't blindly follow the Dems' which is why he suggested that.

  

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68. "This is exactly my experience"
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61. "Ppl on here focus heavily on his past and cherry-picked statements"
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Listen man, when you actually listen to someone and hear them out, you get a better understanding of where they're coming from and can make up your own mind. You seem to have done that, and I respect that.

Nasheed has said alotta stuff I find outright ridiculous and detrimental. I've also seem him change a lot over the years as well regarding his views on relationships and the lgbtq community. And while he said alotta ridiculous stuff, he's also said alotta great things and revealed stuff that news outlets are trying to hide in order to protect white privilege/supremacy and it's practitioners. Whether he's investigating, got friends who investigate, or people just sending him info, he tends to have important info really early. I actually don't even listen to dude much myself, but occasionally he'll be talking about something that my other sources aren't. I generally think he's for people in a transitional phase, or maybe that's just the role played for me. I'm not mad at him doing his part tho. He's obviously very effective.

An example of actually listening: people on here kept mentioning Bell Hooks (by 'people' I mean rjcc, astralblk, lfresh, damali, and sarah_bellum). I'd only heard pieces of her talking points and wasn't a fan. So instead of just cherry picking the questionable stuff she'd said, I listened (actually listened) to her recent stuff, and I found that pieces of what she said was totally in-line with some of my views. Not only that, but one of her current views contradicted those who cite her as some antithesis to my views. When I pointed this out, notice no one has brought her up again.
I'm still not the biggest fan of hers, but I did gain a bit of respect for her due to her acknowledgment of white supremacy and its affects on the Black community.

It's interesting what you'll find when you hear people out. Like people who TRY to discredit the ADOS movement always sound ridiculous, because it's very clear that they don't understand it. That's one movement that I don't think any sane person would oppose for any reason. Yvette does 4 hrs of content per week and Antonio does 1 hr plus writes articles and does critically important research and reports along with Sandy Darity. It's very clear when ppl haven't taken the time to acquain themselves with these works. I digress tho...

I'm just saying if you're in a space to hear people out and understand where they're coming from, you'll do that, and you'll usually realize that everyone has their positives. The only thing that shuts down genuine relating is "cancel culture" and calling people "trash human beings" and similar childishness. Unless people's goal is to get folks killed or harmed in the vein of some white supremacist shit, there's really no need for all the immaturity.

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73. "You do realize that this is how "good liberal white folks" justify their..."
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of Trump?

>I'm just saying if you're in a space to hear people out and
>understand where they're coming from, you'll do that, and
>you'll usually realize that everyone has their positives.




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74. "U do realize the last sentence of my post renders ur response irrelevant..."
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76. "C’mon man.. that’s just lazy. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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78. "It's not lazy it's true. "
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It's a balancing what you like about a person versus what other dislikes about a person and reveals your values.

You are not going to find any woman here who is going to say well I really don't like how he talks about women but because I like his position on reparations he is alright with me.

That Boogie Stimuli can minimize his un-recanted remarks about women is a reflection on how important those issues are to him.

We talk shit about Trump supporters for doing this ALL.THE.TIME.

I always find it amazing how Black Men can understand racism soo well but can be oblivious to its parallels to sexism.



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88. "This. "
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>It's a balancing what you like about a person versus what
>other dislikes about a person and reveals your values.
>
>You are not going to find any woman here who is going to say
>well I really don't like how he talks about women but because
>I like his position on reparations he is alright with me.
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>That Boogie Stimuli can minimize his un-recanted remarks about
>women is a reflection on how important those issues are to
>him.
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>We talk shit about Trump supporters for doing this
>ALL.THE.TIME.
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>I always find it amazing how Black Men can understand racism
>soo well but can be oblivious to its parallels to sexism.

And homophobia. But yes, all of this. You don't care that he holds some wholly problematic views about women and the LGBTQ community? Fine. But that shit is a nonstarter with me. You don't get to be pro-black for only some black people. FOH.

  

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89. "On here? Probably not"
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IRL? Not sure...

I just think using “Trump supporters” is a lazy way to try and prove a point because it slants the argument in your direction for obvious reasons.

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99. "Nah it's BS, but you gonna come for Boogie b/c I hurt ur feelings"
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long ago.

Ask the women who fool with him why they fool with him. He has a show with two women, but you don't believe in the the agency of women enough to think that perhaps they've seen that the guy isn't what you think he is. You think he's misogynistic, so you must assume his female followers, his wife, friends, mentors, etc are just brainwashed, correct? Or, lemme guess, they've internalized misogyny, because only you know how to recognize it (and better than women) right? I really don't care about you claiming that womens issues are unimportant to me, because I know what I stand for, so you can say that all day. You're gonna twist everything to try to spin a negative about me regardless of what I say.

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220. "#WHYTHEWOMENLEFTOKP"
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>I always find it amazing how Black Men can understand racism
>soo well but can be oblivious to its parallels to sexism.
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67. "for me, it's just his politics in general"
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because he uses anti-racism as the tablecloth it's hard to be 100% against what he says, but there's just a whole lot of right-wing bullshit for every 12 and 12 idea he puts out there. misogyny is there. homophobia is there. all the antagonisms I'd rather not be even tangentially attached to the message.

I find this a lot (either deliberate or excused) from black "political" voices that wish to divorce themselves from the American political duopoly. it's why, as one who believes in pan-Africanism and also critical race theory, I might look at some ADOS-identifying personalities with eyes of suspicion, even though I completely agree with maneuvering to not be the doormat of American society.

On the other hand, he gave us the "Coon Train", which I think is even more valuable to the culture than Hidden Colors was

  

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69. "Yvette Carnell must make your head explode"
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As an lgbt co-creator of the ADOS movement.
I see you conflated "ADOS identifying personalities" with homophobia and misogyny (which might be one of the most absurd things in this post, and that's saying a lot).

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71. "I actually have been watching her videos on YouTube lately"
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no beef with Yvette, she doesn't troll it for how I see it.

I made sure that I said "identifying personalities" and not the identity itself. I wanted to be clear that I mean CERTAIN people who ride under that banner, not the banner itself

  

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108. "Respect"
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>no beef with Yvette, she doesn't troll it for how I see it.
>
>I made sure that I said "identifying personalities" and not
>the identity itself. I wanted to be clear that I mean CERTAIN
>people who ride under that banner, not the banner itself


Word. I just wanted to highlight that because I know the attitude of alotta OKP's toward the ADOS distinction, and that coulda been taken all wrong, and honestly I didn't know where you stood on the issue, so I think what you said quoted above was necessary given this environment. Thanks for clearing it up tho.

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117. "you gotta get the fuck off of youtube"
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that shit is rotting your brain

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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142. "I usually don't watch shit but tech and car videos there"
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fell on her shit cause people keep talking about her and was curious. Wasn't outraged, but I've got my criticism.

These sort of things don't really influence how I think for the most part.

Edit: I also watch lefty tube shit just to make sense of what I see in the press. same critical eye for the most part.

  

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157. "even the allegedly lefty shit sucks"
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the youtube format just doesn't promote doing good work.

it rewards trying to make viewers upset enough to keep watching.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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170. "I disagree heavily with that. "
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there is the clickbait element to be fair.

but despite the rise of asshole media, there is a LOT of good work being done on the platform.

some of those people do want off the platform because of how shitty they are with monetizing and "both sides"-ing legitimate problem. the best shit shows their work. the worst... well, they don't.

it's not quite video Twitter but it's similar.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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70. "Ha, this is hilarious..."
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The trophy specifically.
And now I feel I'm missing out, that the video of the ceremony is down.
https://www.laweekly.com/inside-l-a-s-most-provocative-awards-ceremony-the-coon-train-awards/

  

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77. "Lmao. Yo, they have an actual award show for this? "
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I’m sorry but this is hilarious

Are we taking this dude too serious?

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79. "did you see the award recipients they list"
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Jesse Lee Peterson is one.
Never heard of that guy until seeing this gem recently...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR6-KenwkVM

  

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80. "Kayfabe"
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Tariq “debates” JLP
January 2018
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QYxjge-6mg8

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82. "tariq is the funny, smart cut up from your neighborhood"
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or barbershop, or school.
He's not an academic, and never proclaimed to be.
He's gotten more politically engaged lately, but a big part of his show is legit comedy.

  

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83. "I see.. lmao. "
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and I see why folks are mad at him

Dude got jokes.

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84. "Man no. Niggas is gullible"
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My barber got a similar background and education level and dude is a pillar to SE DC

This dude is the the soap and socks man that walks into the shop.

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85. "I can see how he rubs folks the wrong way"
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At my age I laugh at jokes I find funny and ignore sales pitches that don’t interest me.

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95. "If dude were just a comedian, the discussion would be different. "
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Coon awards is funny.

Folks want to treat him as a scholar and thought leader, that's when he is going to get ripped into.



>I’m sorry but this is hilarious
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>Are we taking this dude too serious?


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98. "Are they really treating him as a scholar tho? "
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or is this the “Obama is the messiah” label given by his detractors

Plenty of comedians talk politics these days.

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104. "The nigga done said plenty times he ain't nobody's leader"
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110. "I would hope the person responsible for the docuseries that purports to"
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tell "The Untold History Of People Of Aboriginal, Moor, and African Descent" is an actual scholar.




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113. "You’d be disappointed. "
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101. "The witholding votes strategy respects the current landscape"
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Kamala Harris pandered to black Americans with an HBCU shirt and Cardi B lyrics expecting us to rush to vote for her. Later on she said on record she will not provide meaningful policy to the community.

Why should I vote for her?

AOC gave a speech that encouraged black people to hold service industry jobs. Why should I vote for her?

Joe Biden is a pandering to the alt right. Why should I vote for him?

What has the CBC done for black Americans specifically?

Tariq's perspective is backed up by sound facts if you look. Bottom line is this: if you want my vote provide substantial legislation for the black american community the same way you do other communities.

Besides, they're going to blame us when Trump gets elected anyway just like they did the last time.

  

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118. "Finally, after 101 replies, someone disagrees with my actual critique"
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Maybe you can answer this question.
After withholding votes from pols who don't represent your interests, why not instead vote for someone else who does? There has to be someone.
How is broadly not voting--even state wide, or locally--serving your best interests in any way, short or long term?
That strategy only turns the entire country into Mississippi.
I listened to his pod after last weeks H.R.40 hearing, he explained that if he was invited to speak before the committee he'd have left with checks for everyone. Then why doesn't he do that. Anyone can visit reps. Why not start an Association or Org with an actual dedicated government relations team that lobbies?

  

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119. "Your premise starts on the back of a dumb con man"
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Do you really not get that?

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124. "Fine I get it, he's a con man."
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He also has an undying legion of support, based on Twitter, who are planning to follow his directive and broadly withhold their votes in coming elections.

My questions to Kira are related to that.

  

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129. "lol @ undying legion"
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he got some dusty niggas who have never voted because they don't do anything to send him $5

there ain't no legion

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131. "Not just him, Jason Black, Dr Black Truth, Boyce, "
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Umar Johnson, and a few others have influence and are making some coin.


Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
http://www.Tupreme.com

  

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133. "you can make a decent living telling losers it's not their fault."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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136. "Big Money, Big Big Money. Some of those fans/stans"
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of Tariq's are miserable AF.


Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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158. "nah, the money ain't that long. that's why they're trying to get this li..."
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LOOK AT MY POLITICAL POWERRRRRRR

so they can get the attention of someone who actually has money


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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168. "I know you're trolling, but Dr. Poomar lives in filth"
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if you believe what he's saying uncritically, you might deserve to part with your coin

  

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202. "He might be a lowkey HOARDER."
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Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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125. "*Answers honestly*"
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>Maybe you can answer this question.
>After withholding votes from pols who don't represent your
>interests, why not instead vote for someone else who does?
>There has to be someone.

No, there doesn't have to be someone as far as a presidential candidate. If a candidate does not represent the full extent of my interests then I won't vote for them.

>How is broadly not voting--even state wide, or
>locally--serving your best interests in any way, short or long
>term?

It serves my interests by forcing politicians to court the black vote. Democrats take the black vote for granted and refuse to provide policy for the black american community. If all of a sudden the Jewish community stopped voting even state wide panic ensues and politicians rush to court their vote. Actually go out with policy and address the problems in my community.

We were blamed for Trump getting elected now all of a sudden we're supposed to vote him out of office? For what? Since we're so trash vote him out of office without a portion of us. You're asking me to sacrifice for a country that historically oppresses me and targets my community across the country while these same Democrats on stage do nothing substantial about it.

For the record I vote but just not for President next year. I'm skipping that vote so all of us can suffer together especially these communities that repeatedly attack black society and have their hands out demanding a portion of any policy we receive.

>That strategy only turns the entire country into Mississippi.
>I listened to his pod after last weeks H.R.40 hearing, he
>explained that if he was invited to speak before the committee
>he'd have left with checks for everyone. Then why doesn't he
>do that. Anyone can visit reps. Why not start an Association
>or Org with an actual dedicated government relations team that
>lobbies?

There's a whole agenda in play here called pandering to black americans to get their vote then abandoning them later on. You see it in the Democratic party now. Are we ready to do a deep dive on the people that spoke during that fiasco? It's a prime example of why your suggestion fails....

I. WANT. POLICY. FOR. BLACK. AMERICANS.

Don't pander to me. Show me the resources because this country was founded on and continues to run on the backs of black society. This country falls without us so I'm not asking too much for meaningful resources solely towards my community.

  

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135. "politics 101"
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but its coming from Black people who haven't been vetted/co-signed by the "right" white people...so HOTEP.

  

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139. "base"
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>but its coming from Black people who haven't been
>vetted/co-signed by the "right" white people...so HOTEP.

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123. "BIG FACTS."
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>Kamala Harris pandered to black Americans with an HBCU shirt
>and Cardi B lyrics expecting us to rush to vote for her. Later
>on she said on record she will not provide meaningful policy
>to the community.
>
>Why should I vote for her?
>
>AOC gave a speech that encouraged black people to hold service
>industry jobs. Why should I vote for her?
>
>Joe Biden is a pandering to the alt right. Why should I vote
>for him?
>
>What has the CBC done for black Americans specifically?
>
>Tariq's perspective is backed up by sound facts if you look.
>Bottom line is this: if you want my vote provide substantial
>legislation for the black american community the same way you
>do other communities.
>
>Besides, they're going to blame us when Trump gets elected
>anyway just like they did the last time.


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126. ""BIG FACTS?" What he wrote was literally devoid of facts. "
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When did Kamala Harris say on record she will not provide meaningful policy for black people?

When did AOC gave a speech that encouraged black people to hold service industry jobs?

Anyway, I am not saying dude doesn't get some things right, that's what hucksters and charlatans do. They mix some truths in with their hustle and get paid off the people who seem them as truth tellers.


If you withhold votes to punish Kamala Harris, you may get 3 more years of Trump. How is that suppose to make sense?




>>Kamala Harris pandered to black Americans with an HBCU
>shirt
>>and Cardi B lyrics expecting us to rush to vote for her.
>Later
>>on she said on record she will not provide meaningful policy
>>to the community.
>>
>>Why should I vote for her?
>>
>>AOC gave a speech that encouraged black people to hold
>service
>>industry jobs. Why should I vote for her?
>>
>>Joe Biden is a pandering to the alt right. Why should I vote
>>for him?
>>
>>What has the CBC done for black Americans specifically?
>>
>>Tariq's perspective is backed up by sound facts if you look.
>>Bottom line is this: if you want my vote provide substantial
>>legislation for the black american community the same way
>you
>>do other communities.
>>
>>Besides, they're going to blame us when Trump gets elected
>>anyway just like they did the last time.
>
>
>Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in
>our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
>>http://www.Tupreme.com


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128. "GOOGLE it, he didn't tell one lie. "
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>>Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty
>in
>>our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
>>>>http://www.Tupreme.com
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"


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134. "I'm only answering one of your inaccurate statements educate yourself on..."
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>When did Kamala Harris say on record she will not provide
>meaningful policy for black people?
>
>When did AOC gave a speech that encouraged black people to
>hold service industry jobs?
>
>Anyway, I am not saying dude doesn't get some things right,
>that's what hucksters and charlatans do. They mix some truths
>in with their hustle and get paid off the people who seem them
>as truth tellers.
>
>
>If you withhold votes to punish Kamala Harris, you may get 3
>more years of Trump. How is that suppose to make sense?
>

Start this video at 1:50:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsB6EWNUcyY

Research the rest of my answers and get back to me.

That's not the only troubling part about Harris' record.....

Black society was screwed up before Trump got into office but the key difference was everyone else more or less felt the country was headed in the right direction. Once Trump took office they felt the ramifications of Trump. Trump in office is inconsequential to the plight Black Americans face. Let's assume we all unify to vote Trump out. These same people fake uniting with us turn their backs on us like they always do...

SPOILER ALERT: So called black and brown unity don't exist. Ask the civilians in long beach how they feel about brown gangs attacking them for no reason...

SPOILER ALERT: The white lgbtqia community doesn't give a flaming fuck about the plight of your black ass save for using you as a mascot to promote policy and riding off the coattails of your people's struggle for equality.

SPOILER ALERT: Insert community we are supposed to unite with to get Trump out of office doesn't care about your plight and ways to improve your struggle.

If you want to be mascot go right on ahead. I don't have to do shit but pay taxes, stay black, and die. This country will continue to exploit, disenfranchise, and abuse black Americans the same way under Trump as the next democratic nominee for President.


No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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137. "Respectfully, it's not this binary. "
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>This country will
>continue to exploit, disenfranchise, and abuse black Americans
>the same way under Trump as the next democratic nominee for
>President.



In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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140. "not a single one of the current candidates has any policy initiatives "
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expressly for Black people, except MaryAnne Wiliiamson.
That's inconceivable.
Democrats can't even *say* "Black" in isolation, when discussing politics.
It's Black & Brown...and our communities have very different needs, and are mutually exckusive.
So, nah it ain't even binary. It just *is*.

  

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141. "April 30, 2019 Sen. Elizabeth Warren On Black Women Maternal Mortality: ..."
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Sen. Elizabeth Warren On Black Women Maternal Mortality: 'Hold Health Systems Accountable For Protecting Black Moms'

https://www.essence.com/feature/sen-elizabeth-warren-black-women-mortality-essence/

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149. "read the actual proprosal"
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there's huge problems with this, and is more in keeping with charter school incentivization than actual decent health care specifically for poor Black communities

  

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150. "Democrats can't even *say* "Black" in isolation, when discussing politic..."
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154. "oh, that's what you're refuting? OK"
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152. "RE: read the actual proprosal"
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https://giphy.com/gifs/season-8-the-simpsons-8x8-xT5LMtfU7wffsz31cY

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143. "There are candidates that have platforms that would benefit black people"
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more than others. Or if you want to be pessimistic, which is valid, their platforms would do less damage than others. They aren't all the same.

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155. "why should anyone line up to vote for least harm while "
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everyone else votes for most benefit?

  

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156. "so a candidate that is for prison reform, college debt forgiveness,"
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or any number of other policies, would literally benefit black people.

Just cuz they don't stamp it and say 'For Black People' doesn't mean it's not a benefit. Contrast that with some other options for president.

There's no candidate that aligns with all my preferences, etc., but there are definitely differences that are relevant to the quality of lives of the US' black population.

Push for the shit you believe in. Organize, etc. But holding your breath til your parents give you ice cream for dinner doesn't seem like the move.






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159. "So, wanting better policies is pouting?"
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The candidates are my parents now?
That's not racist bitchmade condescension, at all, lol
Funny shit is, I have candidates that I'm willing to vote for.
But I completely get anyone in my community not voting for any of them.
And they're not being brats by withholding their vote.
Jesus yall racist as fuck.

  

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160. "Goddam. We just did this in 2016. Politicians ain’t your parents "
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You can call me racist cuz I used a metaphor you didn’t like. If that makes you feel good. I could have just as easily said don’t cut off your nose to spite your face.

College debt forgiveness, Medicare for all, prison reform, police reform, increasing the national minimum wage are all policies that more than a few candidates support. All better policies than we have now. All policies that would benefit wide swaths or the black community

ignoring that is childish as fuck. Voting for progress or even standing pat over regression makes way more sense.

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161. "You didn't read a word I wrote"
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And worse yet, you haven't really vetted the policy proposals of the democratic candidates.
And yeah, you're racist as fuck.
The Black vote had zero to do with the results of 2016.

  

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162. "I did read. You’re just wrong"
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If disagreeing w someone who says voting for any of the 20+ candidates in the field is the same as our current pres makes me racist then fuck it. You can call me that. Like I said hope it makes you feel better.

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164. "In order to be harmed the least. duh. "
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144. "Our country must confront the impact that generations of slavery and rac..."
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Our country must confront the impact that generations of slavery and racist policies still have on Black Americans. I support legislation to study and develop plans for reparations.

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1141487298959282177?s=21

Six days ago

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The 8 Mile Wall was built in the 1940s to separate Black families from white families. It’s a powerful reminder that Black Americans still feel the impact of generations of racist federal laws—and a reminder that our government needs to make it right.

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147. "On Juneteenth and every day: Black lives matter, Black citizens matter, ..."
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https://medium.com/@teamwarren/on-juneteenth-and-every-day-black-lives-matter-black-citizens-matter-black-families-matter-3928eb1aabac

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153. "I've read all of her proposals, pimp"
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Not the blurbs, the actual proposals.
They all got huge problems within them and don't specifically benefit or target Black people specifically, at all.
The housing proposal is especially egregious, because it gives housing incentives to people in areas that were affected by redlining in the past.
Problem is, many of the areas have been gentrified, and those incentives will end uo going to the white people who just moved into the areas recently.

Her medical plan is means based scoring of hospitals, which will quickly devolve into patient selection to get funding and not universal service.

And Warren is probably my 2nd or third choice. ALL the democratic candidates are absolute shit when it come to Black people.

  

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138. "At least Trump is human, every other POTUS"
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was a robot. I don't agree with him on anything, and would NEVER vote for him, but I love how he has these cocktail party liberals SHOOK!



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146. "Aaaaaannnnd there you go. Case closed."
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And I almost was going to spend time trying to do a thoughtful reply.

These your mans boogie.




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148. "Good ole serial rapist of a human. "
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151. "He's as trash as ANY other POTUS, no worse than Obama"
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Raygun or Bush squared.

20+ Rape accusations aside LOL!


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187. "FOH. Dude is much worse than Obama "
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Y’all niggas man... smh

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203. "RE: FOH. Dude is much worse than Obama "
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How so?

What has he done specifically to Blacks?

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How a Top Chicken Company Cut Off Black Farmers, One by One
The Trump administration has weakened legal protections for farmers and eased off enforcing rules on powerful meat companies.


https://www.propublica.org/article/how-a-top-chicken-company-cut-off-black-farmers-one-by-one?fbclid=IwAR1r3UeItSJ2_AVBHQUCjalDZ1Tx4AKDLqeCkWaIUFC0M2PIaYHJZ-GuFVY

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221. "Black wealth under Obama went back to pre-Civil Right levels"
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https://jacobinmag.com/2017/12/obama-foreclosure-crisis-wealth-inequality

this isn't a defense of trump, but an indictment of the entire political system's abuse of Black people, including of Obama.
Their policies are hella similar.

  

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232. "That's terrible "
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>https://jacobinmag.com/2017/12/obama-foreclosure-crisis-wealth-inequality
>
>this isn't a defense of trump, but an indictment of the entire
>political system's abuse of Black people, including of Obama.
>Their policies are hella similar.


I agree with this but Trump is doing even more in his first year.

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/12/29/138-trump-policy-changes-2017-000603

"Three years ago, when the Department of Justice settled a $17 billion settlement with Bank of America over its mortgage lending practices, it came with a requirement: The bank had to pay $100 million to various legal and community groups, a sum intended to help homeowners hurt by Bank of America’s wrongdoing. Many other DOJ settlements with financial institutions during the Obama administration required similar payouts to outside groups."

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246. "Obama isn't faultless but this wasn't on him..."
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>https://jacobinmag.com/2017/12/obama-foreclosure-crisis-wealth-inequality
>
>this isn't a defense of trump, but an indictment of the entire
>political system's abuse of Black people, including of Obama.
>Their policies are hella similar.

This was a result of the great recession which started during GWB's administration. It hit black folks extra hard but it wasn't Obama's fault.

Now, some folks think that Obama maybe should have done more to help black folks climb out of it as opposed to taking the "A rising tide lifts all boats," approach.

  

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247. "he was president. He had the most leverage over the banking "
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industry since the great depression.
He absolutely deserves the bulkk of the blame for how the housing crisis was handled.
No way we in hell we can shun that responsibilty onto anyone else

  

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251. "I think we may be hitting on 2 separate points. "
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>industry since the great depression.
>He absolutely deserves the bulkk of the blame for how the
>housing crisis was handled.
>No way we in hell we can shun that responsibilty onto anyone
>else

I absolutely think it's fair to critique his handling of it. But I don't think it's fair to blame him for the recession itself. It was in full swing the moment he stepped into office.

  

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258. "i'm not blaming him for the recession"
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I'm absolutely criticizing how he handled it

  

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165. "Do not overlook replies 96 and 81"
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These are the kinds of opinionated garbage pieces these people use in order to vilify Black men. Not facts. Muthafuckin opinions. Get all the way the fuck outta here, especially if you're mad that I'm defending black men. No more tolerance left for the clown shit.

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166. "“Don’t pay attention to the mans literal words, he’s misrepresenti..."
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White peoples stay on bullshit
But your lot in life is failure because you fall for black bullshit on top of that
That ain’t nobody’s fault but your own.

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169. "I'm correctly interpreting everything. That's what's burning u up."
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It's why you ducked out when I challenged you in reply 96. There's really no way you can defend that BS you posted. None at all.

This whole "fall for black bullshit" has no basis in reality, as you've literally backed up nothing you've said. That's just yall's go-to line whenever Nasheed is so much as mentioned. You have no substance to your arguments bro. Just twitter cliche rhetoric with no thought attached. You're a robot with millennial hashtag programming.

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171. "What’s to defend, “white agenda” , “gay agenda”, “feminist a..."
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Are all different manners of crying victim hood
That he’s a parasite that uses real black suffering and instead of enpathisizing uses it as a cudgel against outsized boogie men
Y’all don’t care about black folks, not in the least, y’all see a trans woman murdered and say “see the white media wants you to believe that black men do this”
Y’all don’t care about black women, y’all see one person date a white man and express a negative opinion of men and say “see the bed wench”

Y’all are toxic dumb people that are far too dumb and misogynistic to introspect. Everything in life is someone else’s fault somehow.


So no I didn’t reply to 96, because it’s a dumb response
And like everything else you post it requires a near purposeful misreading to stay to your cherry picked point.

You’re not to be debated you’re to be mocked

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172. "This is where you just make stuff up."
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You have to make up these accusations, because it's your vehicle to feeling morally superior to others. If you actually took the time to hear what people are saying, you couldn't continue placing them in this little box you've created for them. That's why you don't bother. Be real.

You accuse blacks folks of being "just like white folks" but then you reduce everything to "crying victim hood." Crazy how you don't see that.
As for Nasheed, how's he not empathizing when he's out here actually using his time and money to get ppl out of abusive situations, paying for funeral expenses, etc?
Also, white terrorism isn't some imaginary boogeyman. That's one thing I shouldn't have to explain.
How dare YOU, the black man who attacks black manhood, tell me I don't care about black people? Completely laughable.
As for you silly list of accusations, the difference between you and I seeing a black trans person murdered is that you immediately think a black man did it even if they're hanging from a rope. That's it. First and foremost, I see a black person hanging from a rope... and if a supposedly credible news source blames black men for that (or any) death with absolutely no evidence, YES, that is problematic. How is that not 100% obvious? But you have to turn it into something else to paint me into the box you want me to be in. You don't have the capacity to relate sensibly.
As for the black women dating a white man and expressing bad opinions about men??? WTF are you even talking about there?

The only dumbness here is your arguing with some proxy that you've created in your mind. That's who you're talking to with all you've said in here. You've yet to even talk to me.
Thus it's only fitting that your ilk would say I'm not to be debated, as I continue to smash the ridiculous box yall keep trying to put me in. And if I'm not worth debating, what are you doing? Preaching? Why even respond at all if I'm talking nonsense?

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173. "Not black folks. You and dumb niggas like you "
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This doesn’t apply to black folks on a whole.
It’s directed at you.
Dumb niggaa up Tariq, and Umar, and fall for bullshit
Y’all dumb niggas just happen to also be black folks.

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174. "The bullying tactics don't work on me lil' man."
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I get that you think I'm supposed to apologize to you like Buddy did for ever sharing or defending anything Nasheed related. Not happening.

And while you keep throwing in Umar, yall both are anti ADOS, so appears you're the one falling for the "bullshit" like you keep talking abou. Other than that, not sure what scams or money schemes you're saying I'm even falling for... just part of your programmed talking points that you can't validate. If you have proof of how I spend my money, that would be extremely interesting (and very detrimental to your argument, actually).

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175. "cause he's full of shit like 60% of the time. 40% he cool w/ me."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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190. "can't front, it makes me sad..."
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to see y'all rip into each other like this...so much vitriol.

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191. "Shit is crazy. "
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He shouldn’t make anyone this mad.

Folks out here sounding hurt and damaged.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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193. "I aggressively insult when I lose patience"
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That doesn’t make it ok.
A couple of years before trump I posted a now deleted thread that said anti intellectualism will be the death knell of this site
And one of my largest pet peeves with culture is purposeful ignorance
It’s so exhaustingly frustrating

I don’t hate Tariq, I do legit hate people that can look at that man and choose not see him for what he is.

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205. "And I usually don't get into that unless it's done to me"
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(special exceptions for Buddy and rjcc as both have been repeat offenders with no concern for attempts at civility... at least from me, but even with them, you'll notice I generally let them initiate the namecalling and insults)

>That doesn’t make it ok.


I actually agree as it pertains to myself... me doing it to you because you did it to me doesn't make it "ok" either, but as long as you do it to me, I will continue. Yall are grown enough to be better than to initiate that kind of mess. I'd rather discussions just be discussions and then be able to be cool with people afterward, but if you want it to be something else, I won't sit in the I-don't-want-no-smoke section.


>And one of my largest pet peeves with culture is purposeful
>ignorance
>It’s so exhaustingly frustrating


Ironic.


>I don’t hate Tariq, I do legit hate people that can look at
>that man and choose not see him for what he is.


That doesn't appear to be entirely true. You came at Buddy for even sharing a tweet of his. Your problem seems to be that people even mention him at all. Buddy has pretty much the same problems with the guy that you do, and you pressed him even after finding that out.


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206. "I said there’s better vehicles for that message"
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And sharing people like that is irresponsible.
I don’t care about Tariq, or Ben Shapiro, or Joe Rogan ... not in the sense of someone I dislike
I care about toxic cultures, audiences, promotion, radicalization in all forms and whos put at harm by those communities.
You can see it with my pushback yesterday about eating recs and reddit
Or today or whenever with Tariq
I’ve mentioned it with sharing links to “the blaze” or any other RW sites
Hell my dad sometimes uses Fox News as a website instead downloading caffeine so that it keeps his screen from going idle, I even changed that

These are parasitical folks that do harm by proxy. And I’m vocal about not giving them one iota of credibility.


And I insult hard because others don’t
Others will disagree with some of what’s said about women, or trans, or prominent black folks from these sources but they won’t stand with them verbally.
I do.
I’m the one that made that post about rape culture, shit don’t even really effect MY life like that. But it does for those I cut for and I’ll use whatever voice, pennies, actions I can to support those I stand with.

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196. "Bottom line!"
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Whole lotta game gettin peeped in this post.

And a whole lotta simp coon psuedo-progressive ninjaz gettin exposed in here.








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192. "Especially since the goal is common, for the most part."
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Arguing over the process, that everyone trusts differently.
Creating a brand new problem...and the cycle continues.

  

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194. "Without intersectionality there is no common goal "
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201. "Puts feet up on table. "
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*pours wine*

  

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207. "There are different understandings of intersectionality"
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I've had this conversation many times on here, but here's the post where the conversation was most prominent:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13171485&mesg_id=13171485&listing_type=search

p.s. you'll notice yet again that others start the namecalling... I actually refrained for that entire post and just called others out on it as I did for over a decade on here.

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208. "I don’t need deep words to live by the ethos of “I won’t sell you ..."
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My dude from growing up. We have a white friend that we’ve known forever
And one thing we know is that if shit pops off he’d sell us out in a heartbeat under the idea that he’d “want what’s best for us”
He wouldn’t want us hunted down, so he’d turn us in. Because those are the only two options that he can envision
But there’s a third option, he could ride with us

There’s a world of issues that don’t affect me much. I make good money, I’m well educated, health is straight ... I’m “safe”
I could look at gay, trans, immigrant, women, Muslim, poor, etc problems and shrug and it wouldn’t change my day to day life one bit
And even with knowing that. Those are who I cut for. Because for me it’s not about what’s in it for me. It’s that it’s fucked up for all of us and there are specific “thems” that are causing it. And those that break bread with “thems” are problems.
That’s my ethos

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210. "LOL"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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234. "Bruh you started the name calling in this post."
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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239. "I already said in reply 205 that you are a special exception"
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Due to the fact that you are a repeat offender with no concern for how civil I try to be... plus you have agreed to a truce before and broke the shit. So again, nigga fuck you. I don't fuck with you. Period, in no way, shape, form or fashion.

And before you do what you always do... I said "generally" so stfu before you even speak.


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250. "you're just the kind of dude who lets other people control his behavior"
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I give you a full pass on having no responsibility for your own actions, because really it's someone else's fault.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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214. "Mainstream, pop culture intersectionality is a farce, tho"
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And the fact that any critique of it from any side is dismissed as "toxic" is a huge fucking problem.

  

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215. "What’s that have to do with how I live"
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Like I’m not out here pushing anyone to champion or follow

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218. "But you just said "
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"Without intersectionality there is no common goal"
Which implies that that theory is the framework you work from, right?
But there are tons of problems with the theory - from the LEFT, and racially.
So if you think the only way for consensus is a theory that completely fails working class Black people, you're going to dismiss, out of hand, any data/person/ideology that ain't coming through "intersectionality" outta hand.

Shit happens all the time too, with the Black liberal set.

  

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219. "I’m a big believer in existentialism too "
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But I’m not out here pushing Satre or Kant
Philosophies don’t require people or follow or adhere to
How anyone else treats intersectionality, or feminism, or activism is their business
Same with Buddhism, Christianity, or Taoism no person has grouping has dominion over what it is or what it means, though many try to.
So without intersectionality there is no common goal is what it means, how it’s practiced beyond me is outside of my control so it’s not my worry.

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222. "so, you're just saying shit cuz it sounds good, then?"
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223. "I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking"
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Do I need to follow Joel Olsteen to make me a Christian
Or Marx to be a Communist?

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224. "You - no intersectionality, no consensus"
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Me - intersectionality got big problems, that fail a lot of people. If you only recognize consensus thru intersectional theory, your gonna miss a lot of people.

You - I'm an existentialist, but I don't care if you read Camus.

Me - What? That doesn't make sense. I didn't ask about a person, I critiqued your usage of a theory as a framework. if you only recognize consensus thru Intersectional theory, you won't recognize the needs of a lot of groups

You - I can be a Xtian and not follow Joel Osteen

Me -???????????????????????????

  

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225. "But ... that’s not what you said"
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You said mainstream pop intersectionality is whack
I didn’t disagree, I asked why that’s relevant

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226. "reply 218"
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227. "Your reply adds definition that I dont"
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So I’m not really sure how to respond to that
How the left practices intersectionality doesn’t matter to me

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228. "I think that's where the confusion comes in"
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If different people are practicing intersectionality in different ways...
then the quote "There is no common goal without intersectionality" doesn't mean much, because goals can diverge even under the classification of intersectionality.

In other words, mofos can't even get on the same page when they both claim intersectionality because they might be practicing it differently. Which is somewhat true to the Christianity comparison. I mean if one group believes Jesus is the savior and another says he's just a prophet or that it's Mary. That seems small, but they not gonna fool with each other over it even tho they practice the same discipline by name. I'm not a huge fan of metaphors but I *think* that one works.

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229. "Ok. Fair point. "
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From the wiki: The purpose of intersectionality is to identify that these forms of discrimination are related to one another, and take these relationships into account when working to promote social and political equity.


So when allied forces are willing to trade on gender (well do YALL really need separate identities), race (well do YALL really need reparations), body autonomy (well do YALL really need abortion rights) then they’re no longer allied forces. So all common goals are then non existent.

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233. "Well in this case, there's no issue between us..."
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>From the wiki: The purpose of intersectionality is to
>identify that these forms of discrimination are related to one
>another, and take these relationships into account when
>working to promote social and political equity.
>
>
>So when allied forces are willing to trade on gender (well do
>YALL really need separate identities), race (well do YALL
>really need reparations), body autonomy (well do YALL really
>need abortion rights) then they’re no longer allied forces.
>So all common goals are then non existent.


I don't really get where anyone would think that I, Boogie, would ever question anyone's need for rights or a separate identity. My only issue with popular intersectional framework is that it discounts the suffering of black males via its centering of black women as "double minorities." This is so critically important, because it devalues black male life and humanity, and it's how we continue having people make claims that black men are killing people with no evidence. Like, when you talk about not be willing to sell people out, we sell Black boys out MISERABLY when we allow black males to be scapegoats. We are allowing them to be pegged as pathological (because why would a privileged group be failing?) and not seen as the targeted and oppressed group that they are in so many ways. Bro, we been the scapegoat for over a century, and now we have a framework that encourages our own to perpetuate that cycle. In theory, I am an intersectionlist, but due to the popular framework, I can't even claim the title, because people automatically take that to mean that I'm willing to sell black males down the river. I've joined the groups, listened to the people in them... it's odd... we can talk about the Central Park 5 or the fact that black men are killed by cops 300 per year to 15 black women, the disparate rates at which black boys are put in special ed, etc, but it's somehow wrong to talk about how black men are targeted and not privileged? It's not sensible man. That one Young guy can name all these cards stacked against us, and then call us the White People of Black People... that makes zero sense... like less than zero. To suggest that we ignore that is the true Toxic Masculinity.
In short, intersectionality should extend to black males, not attempt to classify us as privileged in a country that has always and continues to target our lives. The affects that that's having on us are literally life and death. If we can't be seen as human by our own, then who's going to see us as human?
Black males may suffer more or less, depending on the category we're talking about. We all suffer, we just suffer differently, and we're here for each other. That's what intersectionality is supposed to be about.

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235. "My request is to take it up with the populace then"
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Don't piggyback on niggas that go tit for tat with white feminism

Like I don't see Black women lumping up with Alyssa Milano to go at Black men (tm)
But I do see Black men co-signing trash right wingers if they bring up anything anti-feminisim

Like my queer friends would NEVER
NEVER
NEVER
NEVER
share with me some shit from a trash black man because it's anti R Kelly.
They'd keep it funky with "fuck both of them for different reasons"

Like Donald Trump said some bullshit about Tom Arnold a few years ago or Omorosa, fuck all three of them.

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236. "What populace?"
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>Don't piggyback on niggas that go tit for tat with white
>feminism


I don't know what you mean by going tit for tat with white feminism.
Arguing with white feminists? Or rivaling it in egregiousness?



>Like I don't see Black women lumping up with Alyssa Milano to
>go at Black men (tm)
>But I do see Black men co-signing trash right wingers if they
>bring up anything anti-feminisim



I see certain Black men and women alike cosigning some questionable stuff from harmful sources. I'm not too big on generalizing an entire gender based on the messed up actions of some.



>Like my queer friends would NEVER
>NEVER
>NEVER
>NEVER
>share with me some shit from a trash black man because it's
>anti R Kelly.
>They'd keep it funky with "fuck both of them for different
>reasons"
>
>Like Donald Trump said some bullshit about Tom Arnold a few
>years ago or Omorosa, fuck all three of them.


I hear you, and I think most have the same or similar views. It just varies what people view as "trash" human beings, and the speeds at which we are willing to throw people away also varies...especially our own as parts of a community that is confused by systemic design.




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230. "hence, just saying shit because it sounds good"
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it becomes an article of personal faith, and not an actionable or viable politiical framework
If you don't "care how the left practices it", then it means literally nothing at all.
But since it's your framework, you can just pull from it to dismiss anything that doesn't fit your definition of intersectionality.
Including a lot of academics/scholars/regular ass thinking people that the theory outright fails.
Not coming at you specifically, either.
But this literally happens EVERY time a Black person that isn't a cookie cutter bourgeoisie Black liberal challenges the ideology du jour.

  

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231. "I disagree. "
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And if that’s your position then there’s no reason to continue this.

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Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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317. "you know how fuckin silly you gotta be"
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to think that verification is hard to get, and/or desired
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216. "Straight up!"
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240. "Why yall mad though?"
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Boogie and them swear that Tariq ain't a leader or their leader, but yall drawing blades and getting heated, calling names because folks are being critical of him. Who the first people in this post to get in their feelings? TN defenders.

I get the whole he gets some things right and some things wrong, but yall should totally see that the messenger is important and the message can get lost if the messenger is trash.

Remember this all started because I used a TN tweet to take shots at Coleman Hughes. I used that tweet because it's the first I saw the Coleman Hughes stuff in my timeline but it became clear to quickly that TN was the wrong dude to use as a source. The Coleman story got lost in a TN quote. I give Case a hard time about his sources all the time and here I did the same thing. Good reminder.

And yes TN got a lot of trash statements that if he didn't retract, will get him labeled trash. I think Black Males need advocates but yall can't prop up someone who doesn't have the unrepentant trash background?

Again, I query why the TN defenders feel so personally offended and attacked by folks taking shots at TN. This post went poast real quick and tapped into a lot of other issues and I wouldn't have guest it. A Farrakhan post from a while back didn't get people riled up like this. This poast is reaching MJJ discussion levels.



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241. "Let's skip your antagonistic BS and get to your actual point..."
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3 questions:

What exactly do you want him to apologize/repent for and why? (specifics, please)

And why do the same rules not apply to rjcc's past on here?

Why is simply turning the corner sans apology good for one but not the other?

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242. "RJCC is the standard?"
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>3 questions:
>
>What exactly do you want him to apologize/repent for and why?

His misogyny. From the Macking Books to the Podcast I mentioned above. All that stuff might be fine with you. 5 years ago ain't anceint history and since I am not a steady follower of him I am not sure what else lurks out there. At any rate I can't take him seriously unless he addresses that stuff.


>(specifics, please)
>
>And why do the same rules not apply to rjcc's past on here?

They do. Are there RJCC defenders/advocates/followers out there I don't know about?


>
>Why is simply turning the corner sans apology good for one but
>not the other?

Who said it is? See last response.




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243. "LOL!"
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244. "The standard is keeping the same energy. Which yall ain't doin."
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>>What exactly do you want him to apologize/repent for and
>why?
>
>His misogyny.


This is why I asked for specifics.
What are all these things you think he said that are misogynistic? The oddest thing is that yall keep making an accusation with nothing to back it up.
Did you even listen to the 5 yr old podcast you posted. You could start there. Break down what he said that warrants him apologizing to you, and why that apology is necessary.




>>(specifics, please)
>>
>>And why do the same rules not apply to rjcc's past on here?
>
>They do. Are there RJCC defenders/advocates/followers out
>there I don't know about?


He said those things on the world wide web where anyone can read them, and he has cosigners on this board who claim to be feminists. Even if he didn't, keep that same energy with the people who talking to every week. It's called integrity.



>>Why is simply turning the corner sans apology good for one
>but
>>not the other?
>
>Who said it is? See last response.


Not who but what... the actions of you and others.


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249. "HIS MISOGYNYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
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If somebody has a question for or about me, then ask it.


you know what I won't do, because I'm not a loser?

try to whatabout tariq nasheed or bring up some other shit to avoid talking about the topic of discussion.

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252. "Bruh, do you think "Chapter 3: How To Be a Pimp" is misogynistic? "
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>>>What exactly do you want him to apologize/repent for and
>>why?
>>
>>His misogyny.
>
>
>This is why I asked for specifics.
>What are all these things you think he said that are
>misogynistic? The oddest thing is that yall keep making an
>accusation with nothing to back it up.

You may not be by your bedside to grab it, so here is Chapter 3: How To Be a Pimp of THE ART OF MACKIN' by your boy.

https://epdf.pub/the-art-of-mackin.html

Do you think this is misogyny?

Because we should have a baseline for this discussion so if you read this and don't think telling guys they should learn how to treat women like pimps, we ain't got much to talk about. Now is that specific enough?


Now I remember reading this book almost 20 years ago and thought it was hilarious. Now I am older and can see how f'd up it is. But I wouldn't hold this that strongly against dude if he grew up as well and acknowledged that it was bullshit and repudiated it.

So if I searched his name and misogyny and found him repudiating it, I would be dead in the water. Instead I found the podcast entitled "Mistress,Side Piece,Jump-Off,Ho".






>Did you even listen to the 5 yr old podcast you posted. You
>could start there. Break down what he said that warrants him
>apologizing to you, and why that apology is necessary.


Now you are saying I should listen to the "Mistress,Side Piece,Jump-Off,Ho" to see if he actually changed his ways? Is there any chance I will listen to this podcast and he will say that it is wrong to characterize women into these four groups?

Come on bruh. Be fore real. I think the burden is on any TN follower to prove that he is not a misogynist, not for us to prove that he is.

And the fact is it truly wouldn't be that hard to do. Just point to the podcast, article, movie that he has done that makes that point.

And the worst thing about it that shows you aren't getting it is you saying "Break down what he said that warrants him
>apologizing to you, and why that apology is necessary."

I don't need him to apologize to me. I don't care enough about him to want him to apologize to me. I dismiss him and say without emotion that the guy as a "misogynist crab huckster".

You are the one who cares about him and are butt hurt that people don't hold him in the same light as you do. This post got you in your feelings, not me.






>
>
>
>
>>>(specifics, please)
>>>
>>>And why do the same rules not apply to rjcc's past on here?
>>
>>They do. Are there RJCC defenders/advocates/followers out
>>there I don't know about?
>
>
>He said those things on the world wide web where anyone can
>read them, and he has cosigners on this board who claim to be
>feminists. Even if he didn't, keep that same energy with the
>people who talking to every week. It's called integrity.


Again, who are the RJCC co-signers? No one is thinking about that guy either. You using the wrong strawman.



>
>>>Why is simply turning the corner sans apology good for one
>>but
>>>not the other?
>>
>>Who said it is? See last response.
>
>
>Not who but what... the actions of you and others.
>
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>


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255. "I've never read from or even seen one of his books in person."
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Until you linked that just now

>You may not be by your bedside to grab it



You the one admitting below that you read this shit as a youngin, right? Don't try to put it on me.




>so here is
>Chapter 3: How To Be a Pimp of THE ART OF MACKIN' by your boy.
>
>
>https://epdf.pub/the-art-of-mackin.html
>
>Do you think this is misogyny?
>
>Because we should have a baseline for this discussion so if
>you read this and don't think telling guys they should learn
>how to treat women like pimps, we ain't got much to talk
>about. Now is that specific enough?



Nigga. I asked YOU exactly what did he say, and you link the book and want me to point out the quotes that you have problem with? Read the first paragraph of the chapter you're telling me to read. That seems to destroy your whole argument from what I read. What part are you having issues with?



>Now I remember reading this book almost 20 years ago and
>thought it was hilarious.



Ohhhhhhh, so all that talk about being gullible enough to give this guy money is PROJECTION! Dude, thank you so much for saying that. *bookmarked*






>>Did you even listen to the 5 yr old podcast you posted. You
>>could start there. Break down what he said that warrants
>him
>>apologizing to you, and why that apology is necessary.
>
>
>Now you are saying I should listen to the "Mistress,Side
>Piece,Jump-Off,Ho" to see if he actually changed his ways?




Will you at least put up a better front about trying to be sensible? Why would you listen to a 5 yr old podcast to see if he changed his ways? You're being obtuse on purpose.
I said listen to it in order to point out what your issue is with what he said.





>Is there any chance I will listen to this podcast and he will say
>that it is wrong to characterize women into these four
>groups?



II guess you wouldn't know unless you actually listened. You might hear that he defines the groups much differently than you or that he's just using buzzwords to talk about normal everyday relationship stuff. Who knows!



>Come on bruh. Be fore real. I think the burden is on any TN
>follower to prove that he is not a misogynist, not for us to
>prove that he is.



It's on you to prove the accusations you make. That's kinda the only thing that keeps folks from just lying on others without consequence. Oh wait... that's what you already tried to do in here LOL.




>I don't need him to apologize to me. I don't care enough
>about him to want him to apologize to me. I dismiss him and
>say without emotion that the guy as a "misogynist crab
>huckster".
>
>You are the one who cares about him and are butt hurt that
>people don't hold him in the same light as you do. This post
>got you in your feelings, not me.




You seem a lil confused here bro. Lemme help you out.
I'm not even sure what "light" you think I hold him in. I have my issues with the guy just like most of yall.
Calling you a liar and a fuck nigga don't mean I'm in my feelings. It means you're a liar and I don't fuck with you, because you're a scumbag who has previously broken a truce with me. You no more chances, ever. That's all. I say these things without emotion as well... ya know.. just like you do in your assessment of Nasheed.



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266. "THIS IS IT! I wish we got to this point 250 posts ago. "
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>>Chapter 3: How To Be a Pimp of THE ART OF MACKIN' by your
>boy.
>>
>>
>>https://epdf.pub/the-art-of-mackin.html
>>
>>Do you think this is misogyny?
>>
>>Because we should have a baseline for this discussion so if
>>you read this and don't think telling guys they should learn
>>how to treat women like pimps, we ain't got much to talk
>>about. Now is that specific enough?

>Nigga. I asked YOU exactly what did he say, and you link the
>book and want me to point out the quotes that you have problem
>with? Read the first paragraph of the chapter you're telling
>me to read. That seems to destroy your whole argument from
>what I read. What part are you having issues with?


You see no issue with advising guys to take lessons from a pimp and apply that in their relationship with women. If you don't see the misogyny or just general terribleness of that, then what are we arguing about? Of course you wouldn't recognize the misogyny in TN. Are baselines are soo far apart, there is not a lot to discuss.

Listen dude I am not a feminist. I haven't treated women perfectly in my life. and I will probably make plenty more mistakes dealing with women in general, but I can recognize some of the more basic forms of misogyny in our culture and American culture in general. I feel for black women who have to put up with racism in general and then have to have this shit heaped on them as well from black men.

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268. "The work you cited isn't saying what you say it is tho."
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>You see no issue with advising guys to take lessons from a
>pimp and apply that in their relationship with women.


Full stop. Can you quote the part of the book where he does this? Like I said, I never saw it until you posted it, but from what I read of it, I don't see him doing that. You've studied it for 20 yrs, so maybe the player Gods have edified your spirit with the holy player ghost.
What pimp lessons does he tell guys to apply to their relationships?




>Listen dude I am not a feminist. I haven't treated women
>perfectly in my life. and I will probably make plenty more
>mistakes dealing with women in general, but I can recognize
>some of the more basic forms of misogyny in our culture and
>American culture in general. I feel for black women who
>have to put up with racism in general and then have to have
>this shit heaped on them as well from black men.


Recognizing basic forms of misogyny doesn't make you unique. At this point you're digressing in favor of brownie points. What does your apology letter to all the women you've shitted on before have to do with this conversation with me?




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256. "does anyone else think it's weird to go after Buddy Gilapagos"
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of all people

for allegedly not holding me to account for my many misdeeds?


still, I appreciate Boogie for admitting that he doesn't actually have a problem with any of the shit he claims I did, he just wants other people to have a problem with it.

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248. "boogie you want to play striking vipers with your boy?"
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cuz I don't understand how the fuck my name would come up in your discussions with other people unless you trying to fuck.

thanks for admitting that you're obsessed with lying about me and who I am.

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254. "to be fair, I apologize for the books I wrote and sold"
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where I profited from spreading misogyny and bigotry.

that was wrong, which I understand now because of the growth I've experienced since then and I hope my actions show it.

I will donate all the proceeds from those books, tapes and events to causes supporting the equality of all people and work towards reshaping our society in ways that are equitable for all of us.


oh wait that wasn't me who did that shit?

still, perfectly good apology just laying out there for anyone who needs it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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245. "thoughtful replies don't equal mad, bruh"
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people contextualizing the topic dont equal mad
You're just not used to adult conversations/debate.

Everything else you typed is just stupid shit

  

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257. "Let da cipher say Amenhotep!"
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^ ^ ^










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267. "Boogie's #61 post was thoughtful. "
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Most of the other defenses of TN were trash.

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269. "Bruh, you just asked "why y'all mad?""
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like it's 2002, in response to pepole disagreeing with you.
You are the absolute last person who's opinion on "thoughtfulness" I'd take seriously.

  

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270. "Bruh, you just asked "why y'all mad?""
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like it's 2002, in response to pepole disagreeing with you.
You are the absolute last person who's opinion on "thoughtfulness" I'd take seriously.

  

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271. "RE: Bruh, you just asked "why y'all mad?""
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I'm fine with disagreeing.

I got called scumbag, liar, fuck boy and other personal stuff in this post which makes me think people are mad.


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280. "those people explained why they were mad at you tho.. lol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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259. "He's trash"
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for that bedwench crap alone. He also had a podcast years ago where he said that black women had more power during slavery than white women. He's a white supremacist and doesn't even realize it.

  

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272. "don't bring up things dude has said or done. "
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that's not something most of these people want to discuss.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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283. "Do you also view the women who actually bedwench as trash, too?"
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Or do you just not hold those women accountable for the bedwenching behaviour at all and merely hold Tariq as trash for calling those women out for said bedwenching?

I ask this because *bedwenching -IS- a thing that is historically documented.

Do you turn a blindeye to bedwenching practices, Afrogirl-lost?




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284. "What is the definition of bedwenching behaviour (you british?)"
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Bedwenching
and Bedwenching activities

And where are they historically documented?

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285. "Do ya googlez..(you handicapped?)"
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...

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286. "I did, it goes back as far as Tariq Nasheed coined the term"
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I trust there's a deeper history though, and maybe his popularity is skewing the search results.
So if you could link a better starting point I'd appreciate it.

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287. "RE: I did, it goes back as far as Tariq Nasheed coined the term"
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See Interest over time on Google Trends for negro bed wench - United States, 2004 - present - https://trends.google.com/trends/explore/TIMESERIES/1561840800?hl=en-US&tz=300&date=all&geo=US&q=negro+bed+wench&sni=3

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288. "Behavior in american english is spelled without a "u""
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https://grammarist.com/spelling/behavior-behaviour/

I've posited that you're a trolling shit posting white boy before
But maybe I'm wrong

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291. "Nodrawls "I'm very concerned about respecting women" mcgrawlz"
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thanks for asking the important questions about who's really bedwenching.


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289. "This was RECENT. At least in 2016 at the latest, 2017 prolly"
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>for that bedwench crap alone. He also had a podcast years ago
>where he said that black women had more power during slavery
>than white women. He's a white supremacist and doesn't even
>realize it.


Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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294. "TN has a point about black women that marry white men..."
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... and proceed to ingratiate themselves into white supremacy by shitting on black men and/or black society in general.

It's not hate towards any black woman that marries a white man but the ideal that they HAVE to shit on black men/society.

  

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295. "Yeah? What’s that point?"
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Care to share it?
Because there are plenty of people of various genders and races that associate with patriarchal white supremacy, what makes “black women” unique from the rest of them?

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297. "Bruh, put in your own work!"
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298. "Kira said TN had a point, you agreed with neither of you saying what"
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That point is. I don’t know if y’all should be more embarrassed for following dude or being dumb people. I’d be embarrassed by proxy but I dislike y’all just enough to wish continued ignorance on you. I’ll mourn the day y’all discover library cards and daily showers.

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300. "Personal attacks are unwarranted."
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TN's point:

Certain black women marry white men and assimilate into white society by shitting on black men and black society.

  

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301. "That's an observation, what's the point of that observation"
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Also, what makes black women unique from other genders and races that also do that?
And purposeful ignorance should be mocked. Not all opinions deserve equal footing.

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303. "the unique history of Black people?"
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This is a discussion in Asian, Latin, and Indian communities, as well.
And guess what?
They discuss in terms relevant to thier uniqe experiences, too.

  

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304. "Meh, there's Jewish people that break bread with Nazi's"
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Proxy to power isn't anything new or interesting and more often that not it's individuals, and individuals aren't monolith.

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305. "your actually hurting your case with that example"
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look up what the french and the jews did to women who *slept with* nazis after WWII.
They even had terms for them
So, no, critique of "bedwenches" is unique as a term because we were slaves...but there's similar terms for female collaborators of colonialists/invaders everywhere, throughout history.
If that's true, TN ain't breaking any ground...he's just applying a certain framework that you don't politically agree with.

  

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306. "I used the present tense on purpose"
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But please continue doing legwork for people that aren’t capable of making these points on their own

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315. "This is an active discussion in Asian communities, now"
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And latin communities, NOW
And Indian communities, NOW
I don't know what that last comment is supposed to mean to me, lol

  

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302. "Your narcissism is funny. Meat, do you think you're important to me?"
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Huh...





huh...(c)FunkFlex



Do you think that what you eat makes me booboo?





Dude, you ain't nothin but a piece of shit thinkin that you know something meanwhile you one of the dumbest people in this thread.
I'm not the one who touched you when you were a child, Duke.

Redirect that abused energy somewhere else...




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296. "True indeed."
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

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274. "If we’re debating the merits of Nasheed"
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in 2019, we don’t even deserve reparations.

Everything has been figured out except how to live.

  

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277. "If our loyalty is to personalities rather than our political agenda"
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in 2019, then we are one of our own biggest obstacles to receiving reparations.

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292. "remember how I said he'd never address anything the guy does?"
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and you see him not doing it?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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