"when your job/group gets outsourced" Thu May-16-19 09:14 AM by Crash Bandacoot
i'm seeing this happening right now, first time seeing from the beginning although I've been in environments where the entire f*cking IT infrastructure was outsourced to one country (American taxpayer bail out). all sorts of fraudulent activities were going on, it was amazing. this is a situation where the manager is "too old" and was complacent (good ole boys). he may get out of it somehow, lol.
anyway, in tech...you gotta stay up-to-date with modern/new technologies, be a jack-of-all-trades, and be cost-effective.
1. "Nah, I'm getting out. Fuck React, Angular, etc." In response to Reply # 0
>anyway, in tech...you gotta stay up-to-date with modern/new >technologies, be a jack-of-all-trades, and be cost-effective.
Every few years all new buggy, poorly-documented shit to learn that folks foam at the mouth over because it allows easy animated buttons or something else that doesn't add value to the content. I'm a web dev, obviously.
4. "this is why stacking is a must" In response to Reply # 3
imo, can't really rely on 401ks and such. finding alternative solutions is a must.
>off for years and selling whole departments to IBM. a >friend's dept got moved to IBM. less than year later, her team >was let go from there. > >we can fight all the things related to keeping a job, except >aging. that's always gonna be an issue.
I didn't wanna pay to read it but I can see how it is definitely real just by the title alone.
From excerpts I've seen here and there, a younger and more globally-centered talent pool renders old-heads damned near obsolete. My entire office is practically Asian (Indians) who handle almost all of the development efforts.
In the next couple of years, I've gotta create a few more streams of income that aren't solely based on me working for some corporation as an employee.
6. "Ageism is *very* real in the tech industry" In response to Reply # 5
Older workers become managers, have specialized hard-to-replace skill sets or leave the industry it seems.
Web design/development is especially bad for this, since very little of the work nowadays even involves raw programming. Just setting up whatever new framework/library/cms/plugin/etc that's en vogue.
I'm with you... working on getting other sources of income, while working on a few of my own programming projects.
..."But not everyone is happy with the current system, most notably older tech workers. In an effort to secure work in the booming Silicon Valley economy, for example, older workers have been scrambling to learn new coding skills and making other changes (including updating their wardrobes and even undergoing plastic surgery) in order to appear more youthful."
10. "I'd watch this movie" In response to Reply # 8
>older workers have been ... making other changes (including updating >their wardrobes and even undergoing plastic surgery) in order to >appear more youthful."
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"Walleye, a lot of things are going to go wrong in your life that technically aren't your fault. Always remember that this doesn't make you any less of an idiot"
My field is a wreck too, but this sounds different by kind, not just degree. Good luck out there. Solidarity, etc.
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11. "as the graphics* guy in print this is a battle right now" In response to Reply # 0
at my old job i got hired as the second person due to the workload. graphics with an asterisk because it was really prepress work. so its taking the files designers would create and making sure they would print correctly and in this case make the plates that would be used for printing.
we had old equipment and the adobe suite. eventually the dude that hired was let go and i brought someone else in. we got new equipment and industry specific software. lots of money. brought in a 3rd person.
the last 2 years i was there the boss kept hinting that we needed to look into outsourcing the work. i stalled on that. it was part of the reason why i left. figured if i can find a good job that will at least buy my reports some additional time if not ensure their job.
last i heard one of them was let go and they are starting to outsource the work.
at my current job they were outsourcing a lot of the work. so i came in with the intention to improve the communication and bring some of it in-house. based on my old job i dont see it being viable to bring in equipment to make the plates in house. so much expense and you would need so much work to justify. so im at times just checking in on what our vendor does. i do some of the work i was expecting to but more than i thought or wanted is being outsource. the industry software is so expensive that i dont know if we will ever bring it in-house.
im guessing when the software gets good enough this will be a field that is automated away. at least at the tech level. you will need to be involved in other departments and the "graphics" portion will just be part of what you do.
13. "automation will take awhile" In response to Reply # 11
some things can not be automated in the current state. but yeah, it's all about "solutions" and "innovation" meanwhile, quality of life appears to take hits.
16. "just give everyone $1000/mo" In response to Reply # 13
it is scary how much can already be automated. now i do find the automated stuff will still have some flaws here and there but i really wont be surprised if this becomes of more a decision type of position. you look at some artwork, you select 5 options and the software takes care of everything that needs to be done.
15. "Suggestion for you for the industry software..." In response to Reply # 11
I'm not sure if it is feasible for your situation but you could get what you guys need via an applicable SaaS which might be cheaper than procuring the software for installation on "x" amount of computers.
If you guys haven't thought about it before and if you wanna impress the big folks even more, it's an idea you could research and pitch to them.
17. "there arent many players in the software side for this industry" In response to Reply # 15
theres one major one and recently one that is trying to challenge them.
the main player did start offering subscriptions a couple of years back. the thing is in order to get to the next level you need to purchase/subscribe to 3 different softwares just to do what the 3rd software does.
so it is hard to justify purchasing the one software you need knowing you need to buy the other 2 but wont really use them unless you bring everything in-house. then youre looking at a 20% utilization rate for the equipment and half of the software. with all things considered youre probably breaking even vs outsourcing the work.
i think these folks may have already made a solution to this.
pretty much the prepress houses will have their software and the customers (us in this case) can get access to some of these tools via a web interface. we discussed doing this in NO with our vendor. just did a test for a file and gotta say its pretty cool.
i really doubt the software costs as much as the company sells it for but i guess this is an option.
20. "I was working on getting a pmp, but" In response to Reply # 19
my job got heavily involved with ServiceNow. going to get the system admin cert for that and go from there. will likely tackle that pmp again later this year.
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