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bwood
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"Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker "
Fri Apr-12-19 12:10 PM by bwood

          

Holy shit.

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1116749912983707650?s=19

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the Sidious laugh. Im in.
Apr 12th 2019
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1:23
Apr 12th 2019
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HYPE
Apr 12th 2019
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I'm thinking Luke since...
Apr 12th 2019
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      I hope so
Apr 12th 2019
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      I don’t think that was Ahch-to (Luke’s planet)...
Apr 12th 2019
25
YouTube link for those who are picky
Apr 12th 2019
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HOLY SHIT INDEED!!!!!!
Apr 12th 2019
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dope teaser trailer
Apr 12th 2019
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
Apr 12th 2019
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FUCK YEAH EMPEROR PALPATINE!
Apr 12th 2019
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BILLY DEE IS BACK!!!
Apr 12th 2019
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I did not know I was missing the emperor's laugh until I heard it
Apr 12th 2019
12
^^^^^^^
Apr 12th 2019
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it's the often-criticized memory treat, but done well
Apr 12th 2019
21
      I like how Ian came out to the crowd and said 'roll it again'
Apr 12th 2019
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Like an old friend coming back to haunt you
Apr 12th 2019
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      emperor came through "it's ya boy, back on my bullshit again!"
Apr 12th 2019
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If they blow up a new new new Death Star i'm gonna be pissed
Apr 12th 2019
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It's not a Death Star, it's a Death Solar System!
Apr 12th 2019
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I'm telling y'all, Star Wars is actually a financial thriller
Apr 12th 2019
19
if it's not a DS, it's some other shit they gotta fly into.....
Apr 17th 2019
47
This ET Host First Response Commentary is dope
Apr 12th 2019
17
WOW. Shed a tear watching it
Apr 12th 2019
18
thats how you do a teaser
Apr 12th 2019
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the episode one teaser
Apr 12th 2019
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looks like starwars
Apr 12th 2019
26
Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different resu...
Apr 13th 2019
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I think they want the same results
Apr 13th 2019
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Didn't solo and fake empire strikes back lose money?
Apr 13th 2019
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      You really let the internet get to you if you think The Last Jedi lost m...
Apr 13th 2019
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      When I was really paying attention break even is what I took away
Apr 14th 2019
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           TLJ’s budget was 2-300 mil and did 1.3 billion in the box office.
Apr 14th 2019
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      RE: Didn't solo and fake empire strikes back lose money?
Apr 13th 2019
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           It's one of the few indicators of longevity
Apr 14th 2019
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                RE: It's one of the few indicators of longevity
Apr 15th 2019
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                Force Awakens is the highest grossing movie of all time domestically
Apr 15th 2019
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                He needs to take the L
Apr 16th 2019
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                TLJ, Solo, and the re constructing of their future production strategy
Apr 19th 2019
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                     a debate where
Apr 19th 2019
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                     Where are you seeing that it broke even?
Apr 19th 2019
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                     My talking points are off a bit. Break even on franchise purchase
Apr 25th 2019
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                     So, wait, you believe Disney spent $1.3 Billion on making TLJ?
Apr 21st 2019
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                they had one "off" movie, it made $390 million
Apr 16th 2019
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                     it need $500 mil to break even, it’s a financial failure to be fair
Apr 21st 2019
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                          I honestly think they are over correcting too much after Solo...
Apr 21st 2019
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                          definitely
Apr 21st 2019
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                          I think they should slow down to keep Star Wars feeling special
Apr 21st 2019
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                          yeah, no matter how you feel about the quality of the sequels trilogy
Apr 22nd 2019
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                          CONSTANT RESHOOOOOTS
Apr 22nd 2019
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                          the problem with solo is they made a han solo movie
Apr 22nd 2019
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                          Budget was 300Mil, it made 390Mil...not epic, but NOT a failure
Apr 21st 2019
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                          basically
Apr 21st 2019
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                          can't forget the marketing budget though, prolly another $100 mil
Apr 21st 2019
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                               well that's true because you said it.
Apr 22nd 2019
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                                    Yeah, I completely made up that films have marketing budgets
Apr 22nd 2019
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                                         dude has like 10 defensive and snarky replies in here
Apr 22nd 2019
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                                         I don't think that has anything to do with Star Wars, honestly
Apr 22nd 2019
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                                         did someone accuse you of that?
Apr 22nd 2019
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                                              I never claimed to know the exact budget, calm down boy
Apr 23rd 2019
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                                                   you're right, you don't know anything at all. we agree.
Apr 24th 2019
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                          IT'S A FINANCIAL FAILURE TO BE FAIRRRRRRRRR
Apr 22nd 2019
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                               https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/solo-a-star-...
Apr 22nd 2019
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                                    I agree with you, you have no idea at all what the numbers are.
Apr 22nd 2019
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Insane and also fucking up the brand for dollars
Aug 26th 2019
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I'm not excited by this; I'll be there Day One
Apr 14th 2019
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No One's Ever Really Gone
Apr 14th 2019
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JJ is up to an impossible task after that last jedi mess
Apr 14th 2019
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imagine being this guy
Apr 17th 2019
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      man that twitter link just blew my mind
Apr 18th 2019
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      ^dude is really scavenging prehistoric tweets to make a sense
Apr 19th 2019
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           yeah, it sucks that your whole statement came apart like that
Apr 19th 2019
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                because a random tucan on twitter made up a title in 2012?
Apr 19th 2019
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                     plot twist, tucan dude even predicted RJCC's career as a OKP mod
Apr 19th 2019
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                          this is the best.
Apr 19th 2019
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JJ Abrams sucks at writing original content, and esp. @ endings
Apr 15th 2019
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Given the story of the original trilogy, "retcon" should be expected...
Apr 15th 2019
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      I dont agree
Apr 16th 2019
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           You definitely have the majority opinion on this so it's not
Apr 16th 2019
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           none of which is true. but some people are illiterate.
Apr 16th 2019
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           How did it undo TFA?
Apr 17th 2019
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I kinda hope we get more -about- Rey this time around
Apr 18th 2019
51
My coworker is a huge fan and furious
Apr 18th 2019
52
I LOVE Star Wars but some of the fans are the worst people
Apr 18th 2019
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It's probably the worst fandom of any blockbuster I can think of
Apr 18th 2019
54
man! it's this whole scifi universe to explore, and they keep rehashing
Apr 19th 2019
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They need to stop with this 12-25 around winter solstice release.
Apr 19th 2019
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You mean CHRISTmas of CHRIST release
Apr 20th 2019
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      Negro said DVD
Apr 23rd 2019
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"‘The Rise Of Skywalker’ Teaser More Viral Than ‘TLJ’ & ‘TF’
Apr 24th 2019
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Disney was just bragging that The Last Jedi was...
Apr 25th 2019
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D23 First Look is the last thing I'm watching.
Aug 26th 2019
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I like seeing BDW get that work
Aug 26th 2019
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Final trailer and tix on-sale Monday night.
Oct 19th 2019
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Copped.
Oct 21st 2019
95
Thursday, Friday, and Saturday
Oct 22nd 2019
99
Got tickets for Sunday
Oct 22nd 2019
101
Final Trailer
Oct 21st 2019
96
youtube
Oct 21st 2019
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I'm here for it..
Oct 21st 2019
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got tickets for me and my son...showed my son the trailer
Oct 22nd 2019
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There's stuff I love. And stuff I HATED. More later.
Dec 17th 2019
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My full review. Warning spoilers lurk within.
Dec 18th 2019
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anyone who liked TLJ gets an immediate side-eye
Dec 18th 2019
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i ask this in all seriousness:
Dec 18th 2019
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^^ you see it.
Dec 21st 2019
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      Been asking for 2 years, and I ain't being snarky either
Dec 22nd 2019
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           and NONE of these fanboys wont even begin to go there
Dec 23rd 2019
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Yeah, I've seen multiple reviews say it's a complete cave to the incels.
Dec 18th 2019
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JJ Abrams should never get work again
Dec 19th 2019
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need a franchise restarted boring and by the numbers? Call JJ
Dec 19th 2019
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JJ is top tier, yall trippin
Dec 20th 2019
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I agree with the summation just not the details
Dec 23rd 2019
124
I loved it
Dec 20th 2019
109
RE: I loved it
Dec 20th 2019
110
I loved it too lol
Dec 21st 2019
114
RE: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker
Dec 20th 2019
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The 20 Worst Parts of ‘Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker’ (swipe)
Dec 20th 2019
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Almost all of these are petty complaints
Dec 22nd 2019
117
Spoilers
Dec 21st 2019
116
Loved it.
Dec 22nd 2019
119
I liked it
Dec 22nd 2019
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no way would they have explosions in space!
Dec 22nd 2019
121
it was aight. anybody who wants to argue over it
Dec 23rd 2019
122
LEAVE BOB IGER'S PRODUCTS ALOOOONEEEE
Dec 25th 2019
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      this dude is really upset that I thought a movie was just ok.
Dec 26th 2019
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i was entertained
Dec 23rd 2019
123
trash n/mf/m
Dec 26th 2019
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THEY FLY NOW!!!!
Dec 26th 2019
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wiseguy
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1. "the Sidious laugh. Im in."
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2. "1:23"
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3. "HYPE"
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Fri Apr-12-19 12:21 PM by Marauder21

  

          

Wonder who the "Skywalker" the title references is. Rey?

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5. "I'm thinking Luke since..."
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...it looks like their going back to that island he was at.

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9. "I hope so"
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I legitimately enjoyed the parental reveal in Last Jedi

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25. "I don’t think that was Ahch-to (Luke’s planet)..."
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Because you can see the remnants of either Death Star I or II in the water in that shot on the island. My guess is that they are on Endor and looking for something in the remains of Death Star II, and it’s there that they encounter Palpatine’s spirit (dark siders can’t have force ghosts, but their spirits can inhabit objects or places.)

  

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4. "YouTube link for those who are picky"
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https://youtu.be/adzYW5DZoWs

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6. "HOLY SHIT INDEED!!!!!!"
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>Holy shit.
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>https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1116749912983707650?s=19

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7. "dope teaser trailer"
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Fri Apr-12-19 12:57 PM by Boogiedwn

  

          

but they need to stick the landing and give a good film this time

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8. "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW"
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Im Hype

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10. "FUCK YEAH EMPEROR PALPATINE!"
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Snoke was a bum.

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11. "BILLY DEE IS BACK!!!"
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Fri Apr-12-19 01:48 PM by Airbreed

  

          

After that last Jedi trash, I'm all in for this now.

  

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12. "I did not know I was missing the emperor's laugh until I heard it"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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13. "^^^^^^^"
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🔥🔥🔥💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿

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21. "it's the often-criticized memory treat, but done well"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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23. "I like how Ian came out to the crowd and said 'roll it again'"
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like Disney was telling us "yes muthafuckas you heard his laugh he's back!"


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14. "Like an old friend coming back to haunt you"
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I'm all in.

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20. "emperor came through "it's ya boy, back on my bullshit again!""
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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15. "If they blow up a new new new Death Star i'm gonna be pissed"
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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16. "It's not a Death Star, it's a Death Solar System!"
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19. "I'm telling y'all, Star Wars is actually a financial thriller"
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about contractors running a scheme to keep getting paid for death stars, which is why the casino scen in TLJ was actually the most important movie in the series

in this essay, I will establish..

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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47. "if it's not a DS, it's some other shit they gotta fly into....."
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.....and hit this one mysteriously badly designed single point of failure that blows up right after our heroes get out.
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17. "This ET Host First Response Commentary is dope"
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https://youtu.be/U4U8cwIa_Qs


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18. "WOW. Shed a tear watching it"
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Thought it was Snoke laughing at first. But nah, it’s gotta be Palpatine!

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22. "thats how you do a teaser"
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ive enjoyed the new films. hopefully this one doesnt disappoint. when the words saying this was the end came up it got to me.

i think i saw a headline last night saying that folks were getting tired of star wars. nah.

lol

  

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24. "the episode one teaser"
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people were buying tickets just to see it then leaving the theatre

for real

lucasfilm knows how to pimp a trailer

  

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26. "looks like starwars"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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27. "Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different resu..."
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28. "I think they want the same results"
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It’s like printing money at this point

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29. "Didn't solo and fake empire strikes back lose money?"
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I'd expect this to be meh as well. Remember how hyped folks were for phantom lol? Then Jar Jar rolled up

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30. "You really let the internet get to you if you think The Last Jedi lost m..."
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say what you will about the film; it didn't lose any money


Solo lost money because the production budget basically doubled because they re-shot so much of the film.

  

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36. "When I was really paying attention break even is what I took away"
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From the discussions on it's financial success

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37. "TLJ’s budget was 2-300 mil and did 1.3 billion in the box office. "
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31. "RE: Didn't solo and fake empire strikes back lose money?"
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This dude came in here based on the financial “loss” of SW movies, of all hills to die on

>I'd expect this to be meh as well. Remember how hyped folks
>were for phantom lol? Then Jar Jar rolled up

  

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35. "It's one of the few indicators of longevity"
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If it does well that's great but I'm not holding my breath. They haven't exactly been knocking them out of the park lately

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39. "RE: It's one of the few indicators of longevity"
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>If it does well that's great but I'm not holding my breath.
>They haven't exactly been knocking them out of the park
>lately

Every Star Wars movie is a money maker.

The side movies may not cake up but the actual Star Wars Death Star trilogy movies? Big money.

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41. "Force Awakens is the highest grossing movie of all time domestically"
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TLJ and Rogue One both made over a billion worldwide.

What do you consider "lately?"

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44. "He needs to take the L"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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56. "TLJ, Solo, and the re constructing of their future production strategy "
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is what I was basically referring to. There seems to be a debate as to whether or not TLJ made money or more or less broke even.

They are money maker, but I get the impression Disney doesn't know how to keep the longevity

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57. "a debate where"
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58. "Where are you seeing that it broke even?"
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90. "My talking points are off a bit. Break even on franchise purchase "
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4 billion spent on purchasing the franchise

$2 billion in ticket sales scored by The Force Awakens

$1 billion in ticket sales for Rogue One

$775 million for the last Jedi

not sure if these earnings are net or gross, but either way they are just about to break even. Will they be able to keep this thing alive after the recoup from the initial buy?

I have my doubts

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66. "So, wait, you believe Disney spent $1.3 Billion on making TLJ?"
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46. "they had one "off" movie, it made $390 million"
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...if that's your miss you're doing pretty good.

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67. "it need $500 mil to break even, it’s a financial failure to be fair "
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The only financial failure in SW film history, only a few years after making new films...

It completely made them change up their Star Wars Story spin-off plans

It wasn’t like Solo bombing was without consequences or lessons to be learned

  

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68. "I honestly think they are over correcting too much after Solo..."
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Solo’s failure had a ton of unique factors. Like you mentioned above, the budget had to be almost double because of reshooting the whole movie. Combine that with it being the first SW film to come out in less than half a year after another, and with that film (TLJ) being the most divisive since Attack of the Clones, and being about a topic that wasn’t really a must-tell story and you have a recipe for disaster.

IMO there are only two changes they should have made after Solo - first is get your preproduction planning together, and second is stick to annual releases in December.

In terms of preproduction planning, there is NO excuse for them having gotten so much done on Solo with Lord and Miller without realizing that they weren’t on the same page to the extent of having to reshoot the whole movie. This also speaks to the sequel trilogy - I personally didn’t have as much of a problem with TLJ, but at the same time it’s obvious that they aren’t following a plan for three films that was set out in advance. Again, there’s no reason for this. The main Skywalker films should ALL be planned out with directors working closely with LucasFilm being sure that everything fits perfectly. The anthology films are where they should be letting directors make them their own - with different styles and not having to have every solitary element checked because they stand alone.

All that being said, it sounds like they are completely taking a break after Episode 9 and pumping the breaks on everything besides the Benioff & Weiss trilogy. I think they can definitely do a film per year, and December is the best timeframe for that. (I do wonder if the Fox merger and Avatar now being a Disney franchise affects that though - with Avatar 2 and 3 both scheduled for December releases.)

  

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70. "definitely "
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Now we are gonna get less movies and those same people will complain, even when Mandolorian and Casien or whatever other live action shows are out. There really is no reason for them to slow down other than just following what Marvel did as far as planning a start and finish of the story. Thats all i wanted to see changed. Can't let directors just write their chapter how they feel it should be written.




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73. "I think they should slow down to keep Star Wars feeling special"
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I do agree with the majority of your post especially about the production pre-planning. Both Solo and Rogue One had EXTENSIVE reshoots but Rogue One was the first anthology film after TFA while Solo was released shortly after TLJ

obviously a level of scarcity helps the films at the box office. We don't need a Star Wars Story only six months after a Skywalker episode. Every December or every other December really is that sweet spot. Moving Solo from December for Mary Poppins was stupid.


They apparently haven't planned out the films like you describe because Star Wars has always been made by the seat of the filmmakers pants but I don't think it's a good reason to continue handing off mostly unplanned character arcs to different random old white guys- I mean creatives who made a sci-fi flick before.


I don't like any of the people they have signed onto making the next couple trilogies, honesty. I do believe that galaxy far far away can support a film or two every year but also that the people making these flicks feel like they can just make whatever and it'll do well regardless, so I'm glad Solo at least somewhat proved that wrong

  

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74. "yeah, no matter how you feel about the quality of the sequels trilogy"
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there is absolutely NO excuse for them to not have some form of co-ordination from film to film. And the constant re-shoots of the standalone films makes no sense either.
They absolutely need to do a hard stop on the film-making side of things and figure out what the hell is going on. I don't think they should feel oblogated to release a movie every year either.

  

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78. "CONSTANT RESHOOOOOTS"
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omg y'all don't know anything about making movies

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77. "the problem with solo is they made a han solo movie"
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that didn't star harrison ford.

that's it.

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69. "Budget was 300Mil, it made 390Mil...not epic, but NOT a failure"
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71. "basically"
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72. "can't forget the marketing budget though, prolly another $100 mil "
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When you're in the business to make money, throwing millions away for ultimately a father son vanity project is a financial failure

the movie was supposed to make money, it failed at doing that.

  

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75. "well that's true because you said it."
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79. "Yeah, I completely made up that films have marketing budgets "
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80. "dude has like 10 defensive and snarky replies in here"
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He takes his Star Wars love very serious, apparently.


  

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82. "I don't think that has anything to do with Star Wars, honestly "
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83. "did someone accuse you of that?"
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or was it that you have no idea what the budget is or how it's accounted for?

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85. "I never claimed to know the exact budget, calm down boy"
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87. "you're right, you don't know anything at all. we agree."
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76. "IT'S A FINANCIAL FAILURE TO BE FAIRRRRRRRRR"
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according to the numbers you made up

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81. "https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/solo-a-star-..."
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https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/solo-a-star-wars-story-disney-loss-box-office-sales-latest-a8384151.html

I never said I had the exact numbers

yes the movie lost money; yes, movies have marketing budgets on top of production budgets and yes, the Star Wars story films both had extended, longer than regular reshoots

  

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84. "I agree with you, you have no idea at all what the numbers are."
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you pulled them right out of your ass

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93. "Insane and also fucking up the brand for dollars"
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Yep, that's that Hollywood.

  

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32. "I'm not excited by this; I'll be there Day One"
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I like to look at these movies. I thought The Last Jedi had all the same flaws as The Force Awakens with a different tone draped over it, and this trailer *suggests* that JJ is gonna take all of Johnson's fancy new ideas and deke 'em like a young Gordon Bombay.


I can't wait to have opinions about this movie!


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33. "No One's Ever Really Gone"
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I'm being a little cynical about my cynicism above but this got me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTLC_uiGFA

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34. "JJ is up to an impossible task after that last jedi mess"
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so far it looks like they had to dig up the emperor's corpse, a fallen death star and bring lando out of the hospice to hype folks up...not looking good

  

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48. "imagine being this guy"
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OMG THEY HAD TO PULL THE EMPEROR OUT

meanwhile, some rando on twitter in 2012:

https://twitter.com/gabbyg41/status/271453344231477250?s=21

Star Wars Episode 7 The Rise of Skywalker. The Emperor lives.

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50. "man that twitter link just blew my mind"
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like..how???

  

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59. "^dude is really scavenging prehistoric tweets to make a sense "
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of his broken hollywood franchise

  

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60. "yeah, it sucks that your whole statement came apart like that"
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sorry bro.

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62. "because a random tucan on twitter made up a title in 2012?"
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holy fucking shit dude, you really need mental help

  

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63. "plot twist, tucan dude even predicted RJCC's career as a OKP mod"
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https://twitter.com/GabbyG41/status/278156812316987392

  

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64. "this is the best."
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I didn't scavenge anything, that was shown to me.

but then you *actually did* dig through the rando's timeline to find a tweet.

wow

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38. "JJ Abrams sucks at writing original content, and esp. @ endings"
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And TLJ painted everyone and everything into such a box that this movie is either gonna retcon a shitload of TLJ, or just be like half a standalone/half remake of ROTJ

The images look cool enough I guess (Trust Fund Vader choke slamming somebody looks nice!)

Less excited about this one and more curious about well...HOW?

  

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40. "Given the story of the original trilogy, "retcon" should be expected..."
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Both Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi took the story places that were not planned at all in the previous films. You have the obvious point of Vader being Luke's father which wasn't planned until late in production of ESB, but you also have Leia being Luke's sister not being planned until mid production of ROTJ. The Emperor was originally not a Force user at all, until ROTJ, He also wasn't supposed to be the "big bad" of that trilogy, but that changed when writing Vader's redemption arc in ROTJ. They had to literally have Luke and Ben have an entire retcon conversation in ROTJ with the "from a certain point of view" line basically shouting out to the audience that the story was being retconned.

None of that stuff feels like retcons now because the story worked out, but more importantly because we've been living with those films since 1983 and it's pretty hard to remember the perspective of the audience when seeing the original trilogy for the first time.

In the prequels you didn't have any situation like that because we all knew exactly what the story was leading to (which was one of the biggest problems of the prequels.)

  

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42. "I dont agree"
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Like TLJ pretty much undid all the plot points of TFA & the character arcs of the original trilogy to establish something new (in theory, at least)
Lucas & team changing some story eelemens is very different from what's happening here. This trilogy can't stay consistent in tone or themes from film to film.

  

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43. "You definitely have the majority opinion on this so it's not "
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an argument that I would win. But IMO this is no different than the OT. The only plot point that I think was "undone" in TLJ was Snoke's getting killed, while Snoke was likely planned as the big bad of the trilogy. I really don't think that Rey's parentage/background undid anything at all. In TFA they specifically said that Rey's family wasn't coming back for her and that she was noone. TLJ just continued down that path with more info. And if in Episode 9 they end up saying something different, that isn't any bigger of a "retcon" than Luke and Leia being twins or Vader being their father when we were originally told that Vader killer Luke's father.

If you go back to the days between ESB and ROTJ there was all kinds of speculation - people were arguing that Vader was lying to Luke. Even if you think about Snoke not being the big villain of this trilogy now, that's not much different than the OT when Vader was planned as the big bad and the Emperor was supposed to be a non-force user bureaucrat. We have the perspective of having seen exactly how it worked out in ROTJ and how the story came together. In the OT there are little things that just ended up working out - like the end of ESB when Luke was able to call out to Leia through the force, even though they weren't planned to be twins until the production of ROTJ.

I just think we'll have to wait and see how the story of Episode 9 turns out to see if everything works in this trilogy or not.

  

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45. "none of which is true. but some people are illiterate."
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49. "How did it undo TFA?"
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>Like TLJ pretty much undid all the plot points of TFA & the
>character arcs of the original trilogy to establish something
>new (in theory, at least)

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51. "I kinda hope we get more -about- Rey this time around"
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for her to be 2 films in to a mostly "void" protagonist who does "cool stuff" makes me kinda shake my head. I was expecting Finn to be -that- character but he surprised me.

TLJ had some hilarious moments, some that dragged on further than they needed to, but I wasn't too mad. the one scene with Luke everyone seemed to hate had me LOL for real.

if THIS is it? they can't BS this last one.

that emperor's laugh better not be some sice, either.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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52. "My coworker is a huge fan and furious "
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ANOTHER DEATH STAR SKYWALKER FILM??!!!

Haha.

So mad

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53. "I LOVE Star Wars but some of the fans are the worst people"
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You can't please them at all.

It seems like most of them have this fan fiction in their head about how they would have made the movie. If it plays out how they would do it they'll call it predictable, if it doesn't fit their script they'll say its an abomination and the worse movie ever made.

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54. "It's probably the worst fandom of any blockbuster I can think of"
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The people who ride REALLY HARD for Zack Snyder's DC movies are bad, but I half think they're doing performance art.

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61. "man! it's this whole scifi universe to explore, and they keep rehashing"
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shit.

Just lazy

  

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55. "They need to stop with this 12-25 around winter solstice release."
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Around the time you should be sowing the seeds for next year they gonna release a popular franchise movie.

Ill see it after if not on dvd.

  

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65. "You mean CHRISTmas of CHRIST release"
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>Around the time you should be sowing the seeds for next year
>they gonna release a popular franchise movie.
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>Ill see it after if not on dvd.

Take your DVD and seed self back to the Amish colony

  

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86. "Negro said DVD"
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88. ""‘The Rise Of Skywalker’ Teaser More Viral Than ‘TLJ’ & ‘TF’"
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https://deadline.com/2019/04/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-teaser-clocked-111m-in-first-24-hours-more-viral-than-last-jedi-force-awakens-1202601505/


apparently the last jedi didn't actually kill all interest in these movies, huh

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89. "Disney was just bragging that The Last Jedi was..."
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...the highest selling Blu-ray of last year.


Haters going to have their weird agenda tho.

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91. "D23 First Look is the last thing I'm watching."
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https://youtu.be/3n1T3HxHd7Y

Really hammering home that this is it for the main storyline.

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92. "I like seeing BDW get that work"
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94. "Final trailer and tix on-sale Monday night."
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During Monday night football on ESPN.

Good luck on tix y'all.

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95. "Copped."
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Thank you my friend.

  

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99. "Thursday, Friday, and Saturday"
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Standard, IMAX, and XD

CANT WAIT

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101. "Got tickets for Sunday"
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Its an 11:30am showtime but I'm still surprised I was the first to buy tix for that showing.

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96. "Final Trailer"
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https://twitter.com/StarWarsUK/status/1186459170041561088

  

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97. "youtube"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qn_spdM5Zg

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98. "I'm here for it.."
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Rebels TV show fan. Good seeing the Ghost in the trailer

  

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100. "got tickets for me and my son...showed my son the trailer"
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he was flabbergasted

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102. "There's stuff I love. And stuff I HATED. More later."
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103. "My full review. Warning spoilers lurk within."
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Y’all know how much I love Star Wars. After The Last Jedi, I was really excited to see where this final chapter could go not beholden to the past. Well, here we are now with J.J. Abrams back at the helm and… it’s exactly what I feared when they announced J.J. was coming back.

Now I’m giving you all a fair warning. What follows is spoilers. Yes, even my brief plot summary of the film has spoilers. So if you want out now, I will tell you that the more I sat with The Rise of Skywalker, the more I don’t like it. It suffers the same problem as Solo and The Force Awakens except amplified. It’s too much of a love letter to the past instead of forging its own path like the last film did with fan service galore. Not to mention a plot that is severely convoluted.

Now spoiler warning. Seriously I’ll be diving deep here so again spoilers.

Emperor Palpatine (Ian McDormand) recruits Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) to seek out and destroy Rey (Daisy Ridley) and to lead the greatest army in the galaxy with the Final Order. Meanwhile, Rey, Finn (John Boyega), and Poe (Oscar Issac) are seeking out the various items to the Emperor’s location to take him down once and for all.

First, let’s start off with the things I liked. I had a blast whenever Finn and Poe were on screen together. I had an even better time when Rey was in the mix. All three of them together. Lots of cool action that drives there relationship and seeing the three of them together made this film soar.

However, this should’ve been explored much, much more in the previous two films. The fact that these three spend time together and really get to know each other in the last film speaks volumes about the lack of vision in this trilogy.

Richard E. Grant as General Pryde is the most menacing villain in this film. I came away asking why wasn’t he in the whole trilogy? He has a presence that’s severely lacking with the other villains. That’s partially due to how much this film is doing and partially due to again no roadmap on how they wanted this trilogy to go.

With The Last Jedi being such a radical reset, this story could’ve gone anywhere. And instead of it being unexpected, it feels like attending the final concert of a legendary artist being told: “Shut up and play the hits!”.

Having Emperor Palpatine come back and being the one pulling the strings in this sequel trilogy is so lazy and contrived. Narratively, it doesn’t make sense. The one thing I’ve noticed is a lot of franchises have been pulling the “It’s me Austin” trick in which a legendary or noted villain comes into the picture and was the puppetmaster for three or more films. Not only is that lazy, but it makes no cotdamn sense. And no, they never explain why or how he survived the events of Return of the Jedi. Him coming back as a Force ghost would’ve made much more sense. Considering where the film takes Palpatine is so ridiculous why even bother?

My biggest beef here is with Kylo Ren. After The Last Jedi made clear he is the villain only for that to be completely undone by the third act of this film. In fact, most of Kylo’s journey is just because. There’s no rhyme or reason for him rebuilding his helmet. No emotional motivation or explanation is given other than J.J. being upset with what Rian did in The Last Jedi (which seems is a lot).

The Knights of Ren are in it and I have no idea who or what they are. It’s a point to a big problem that this film and The Force Awakens suffers (And most of J.J.’s work suffers from). Things are in here or happen without any logic or reason. No explanation is ever given for how Maz (Lupita Nyong'o) acquired Luke’s lightsaber. There’s something Finn wants to tell Rey the entire film. Even Poe wants to know. And we’ll never know cause J.J. doesn’t care to take at least two minutes to resolve that. I’m guessing it’s Finn wanting to tell Rey he loves her but fuck if I know. There’s a new droid named D-O and in the grand scheme of things, the time spent with D-O could’ve been used to solve other things. At least Keri Russell’s new character of Zorii Bliss serves a purpose. Same with Naomi Ackie’s Janna who is really cool.

The plot of this film is all over the place. It’s like a kid who hated The Last Jedi snorted a pixie stick and was set loose. Convoluted to say the least. Everyone is chasing something that leads to something else. It’s a Russian doll of McGuffains. This film need to be two at the least as there are five movies worth of (half-baked) material in here that needs to not only satisfy this trilogy but the previous two as well. Sure the breakneck speed that this film moves at works in its favor, but nothing is given time to breathe and develop.

If you’re wondering why I haven’t mentioned Rose (Kelly Marie Tran), or the return of Lando (Billy Dee Williams), or even Leia (the late Carrie Fisher) is because why bother they’re there and then gone. Rose especially is relegated to the sidelines. Leia is the emotional backbone of the film, but with her unfortunately not in it enough, some of the film’s biggest emotional beats fall flat.

This sequel trilogy is a bust. All three films are at war with each other and don’t feel narratively cohesive. Even as an ending to the whole saga, it doesn’t feel like an ending as this film proves nothing ever ends. The Rise of Skywalker even contradicts itself at points (sometimes in the same moment). It’s a fan service film meant to please a certain subset of fans especially with one particular moment between two characters that had me audibly groan so loud, that people laughed hard. It’s like J.J. went on Twitter and said let’s fix this and tell the story of what the second film should’ve been and end it on the terms J.J. wanted. Return of the Jedi is a much more satisfying conclusion to the entire saga than this is. Even the final battle of Return of the Jedi is better. These three trilogies are interesting. The OG trilogy is one man’s ambition come to life in a spectacular fashion. The prequel trilogy is a lesson on having too much power and too many yes men around you. And this one is what you get when you’re too beholden to the past and no clear vision on what you want your overall arc of your story to be.

At least Avengers: Endgame delivered cause between Game of Thrones, Glass, and now The Rise of Skywalker endings in 2019 have been garbage.

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104. "anyone who liked TLJ gets an immediate side-eye"
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yeah, Solo had its issues
sure, TFA was too much of a love letter
but ill take that over the trash that was The Last Jedi

J.J. isnt the problem
them not keeping J.J. throughout the entire trilogy is what killed the story

  

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105. "i ask this in all seriousness:"
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Exactly where could TRoS go, seeing how TLJ burned every narrative thread left over from the first film, and a good chunk of the overall worldbuilding of the franchise?

Abrams sucks as a writer/storyteller, but there was no way this film wasn't going to be a convoluted plot fest, given that it had to establish and resolve the conflict of a trilogy in a single film.

Like, where could you see this film going, narratively, if they built off of what was left after TLJ?

  

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115. "^^ you see it."
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118. "Been asking for 2 years, and I ain't being snarky either"
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I walked outta TLJ thinking: well, that was the ending movie of a duology. WTF follows this? HOW do you follow this?




  

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125. "and NONE of these fanboys wont even begin to go there"
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106. "Yeah, I've seen multiple reviews say it's a complete cave to the incels."
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I don't know if I even care to see it anymore.

But I'm sure it'll do numbers.

  

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107. "JJ Abrams should never get work again"
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the ONLY good thing about this movie was they bushed Rose. other than that whewwwwwwwwwwwww this shit suuuuuuuuuuucked.

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108. "need a franchise restarted boring and by the numbers? Call JJ"
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111. "JJ is top tier, yall trippin"
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Mission Impossible 3 was dope
Star Trek (2009) was EXTRA dope
Fringe was dope
LOST was dope
TFA was dope

this failure was not on him

  

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124. "I agree with the summation just not the details"
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>the ONLY good thing about this movie was they bushed Rose.
>other than that whewwwwwwwwwwwww this shit suuuuuuuuuuucked.

I thought it was wack they bushed Rose. I didn't like the whole reactionary feeling that this film had overall, though.

JJ Abrams is firmly in that Zack Snyder box for me though, after this. Good for the things he does well, but outside of that... *sound of jets taking off*

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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109. "I loved it"
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Not surprisingly

Loved the reveal of force lighting coming off of Rey’s hand. Loved the SABERSABERSABER OD in this movie. Loved the zombie That

That ocean/water battle scene was beautiful

Not trying to go to film school behind some Star Wars.

>Holy shit.
>
>https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1116749912983707650?s=19

  

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110. "RE: I loved it"
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*Loved the zombie Palpatine

I loved the new random ass Jedi powers such as “Healing of the Sick” because FUCK IT! Throwing in some random new shit is something I can appreciate

  

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114. "I loved it too lol"
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I also loved TLJ too so maybe I'm just easily entertained.

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112. "RE: Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker "
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https://www.salon.com/2019/12/20/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review-a-return-to-form-brings-the-saga-to-a-fitting-end/

  

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113. "The 20 Worst Parts of ‘Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker’ (swipe)"
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I don't even think the movie was horrible but I agree with pretty much all of this.

https://www.thewrap.com/star-wars-the-20-worst-parts-of-the-rise-of-skywalker-ix/

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The 20 Worst Parts of ‘Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker’

This movie is a mess in a lot of different ways
Phil Owen and Ross A. Lincoln | December 20, 2019 @ 3:47 PM
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(This post contains basically all possible spoilers for “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker.” It’s literally a list of spoilers.)

The wait for “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” is finally over, and while certainly many audiences have loved it, there are also many who woke up this morning full of regrets. This list is for the latter group. All are welcome, of course, but if you liked the movie then our list of things we didn’t like about it will probably make you mad or something.

1. One thousand Death Stars

Late in the movie it’s revealed that this massive fleet of Star Destroyers that Emperor Palpatine pulled out of the ice on Exogol at the beginning of the movie was equipped with Death Star lasers. The reveal is made when one of them blows up a planet for no particular reason. The Resistance folks then briefly huddle up and decide that probably all those ships can do that. That seems like an illogical conclusion to draw, because that would mean the bad guys have an entire fleet of Death Stars, which would be easily the most ludicrous thing that has ever happened in a “Star Wars” movie. But since the issue is never mentioned again we aren’t sure what other conclusion we could come to.

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2. The Rebel fleet from nowhere

To challenge all those Death Stars, the Resistance launches an attack on Exogol with only a Corellian Corvette and like one single fighter squadron and one carrier ship full of troops. Fortunately for them, Lando spent a couple hours flying around the galaxy and casually assembling the biggest fleet we’ve ever seen in any of these movies. That’s absolutely crazy. Lando was not even gone that long.

3. The Emperor returns before the movie starts

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There’s a lot of creative decisions on this movie I can’t even begin to understand, and the most confusing of those is the decision to have Emperor Palpatine make his big return to the galactic stage between movies. How do you bring back a dead character and not even let us see characters reacting to that revelation as it happens? This one actually makes me mad. If you’re gonna cram a whole trilogy of stories in one movie, you still have to start at the beginning.

4. Rey is the Emperor’s granddaughter

The climax of the “Skywalker Saga” was about two Palpatine family members fighting each other. Incredible.

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5. Luke and Leia knew about Rey’s lineage the whole time

This is just a confusing bit. When did they learn this important fact? Why had they never done anything with that tidbit of key info? There’s a lot of weird ramifications to their possession of this knowledge, and “The Rise of Skywalker” has no interest in exploring any of them.

6. Leia died for no reason

They decided to kill off Leia in the strangest and low-key way: by calling out through the Force. It took Luke physically projecting himself across the galaxy and doing a lightsaber fight before the effort killed him. How weak are we supposed to think Leia is?

7. The Knights of Ren
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Late in the film, Ben Solo/Kylo Ren is forced to fight his former bros the Knights of Ren in order to earn his redemption. It’s a powerful scene, the culmination of a character arc stretching back three films… is what we’d say if the Knights had like, any role before “The Rise of Skywalker.” They’re in this trilogy for less than 5 minutes, none of them speaks or has any personality, and they don’t even use lightsabers. They basically existed only so we’d know the origin of Kylo Ren’s dorky last name, and when we finally saw them up close, it turns out they dress like the corniest nu metal band of 1996. PASS.

8. The Resurrection

So Rey kills Palpatine, and then dies. Kylo Ren climbs out of the hole he fell into, and somehow uses the Force to revive her corpse. They can just resurrect people now! OK!

9. The Kiss

So Rey is alive again, and the first thing she does is make out with Kylo Ren. They haven’t had an ounce of romantic chemistry in these movies, but some “Star Wars” nerds shipped them so I guess they had to do it.

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10. The Death

Immediately after this kiss, Ben rolls over and dies, apparently having given all of his life force to Rey to bring her back to life in what was supposed to be the film’s most dramatic and emotionally poignant scene. At that precise moment in our screening, the entire theater burst into hysterical laughter. Whoops.

11. The Force can do literally anything

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All wounds are trivial now because Force users can easily heal them. If they’re too late and the person died, they can just bring them back from the dead. Need to ship a package? Just use the Force to teleport it! Wanna have a lightsaber duel with somebody a hundred miles away? The Force has online multiplayer. Rey is just a God now, the most powerful being who ever lived. But Leia died from yelling.

12. Chewie died but actually he didn’t

This whole sequence is strange. Chewie gets captured by the First Order when he’s like 30 yards from the rest of our heroes. Then Rey accidentally blows up the ship they were taking him away on. Except actually Chewie was on a different but identical ship because “The Rise of Skywalker” wanted to pull a stupidly manipulative misdirect.

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13. C-3PO got his memory wiped but then got it back

So our heroes need to read something in the Sith language, which it turns out 3PO can read. Unfortunately, his programming forbids him from translating it. (Who did this? Doesn’t matter. It just is.) This forces them to reboot 3PO to override that programming, which will erase his memory and effectively kill him as he’s been known. It sounds sad, and 3PO even gets an emotional farewell out of it. Then the film pulls a movie length JK because not only is it played for laughs from there out, at the end 3PO gets his memories restored thanks to a backup on R2D2’s hard drive.

14. Poe has Han Solo’s backstory now

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One of the 57 new planets we visit in “The Rise of Skywalker” is Kijimi, where we meet Poe’s ex-girlfriend, who reveals that Poe was a spice runner before becoming a Resistance fighter. Because for some reason they needed a new Han I guess.

15. General Hux

Speaking of criminally underdeveloped characters, Hux is revealed to be a mole within the First Order, feeding information to the Resistance, uh Rebellion two movies after his Reichstag speech on Starkiller base, because he hates Kylo Ren more than he loves the First Order. And then, literally the next scene after we learn this, he’s unceremoniously killed by his commanding officer who announces “we found the mole.” Hux joins Boba Fett and Captain Phasma in the pantheon of Star Wars bad guys whose deaths are as pointless as, it turns out, the characters themselves were. At least he got more lines than Rose Tico.

16. The Force told those stormtroopers to rebel

Finn meets a woman name Jannah, who was also a former First Order stormtrooper who had been stolen from her parents when she was a kid and then rebelled as an adult. And they have this fun moment where they talk about how they decided to rebel because they had this weird feeling that they should. And they decide that feeling was the Force. Not, you know, their conscience. Or guilt about helping out a fascist government. They’d have happily done state-sponsored murder had the Force not pinged them, I guess.

17. Ghost Luke

So Luke died, and is a ghost. But he can still pick up physical objects with his non-physical hand. And he can use the Force to lift his X-Wing out of the ocean. Sounds like being dead is all upside.

18. Pretending Rose wasn’t a main character
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Photo credit: Walt Disney Studios

Congratulations racist, sexist harassers: Your complaints were heard.

19. Maz Kanata

They got the amazing Lupita Nyong’o to play maybe the most pointless character in this whole trilogy. The only thing of note she does in this movie is give Chewbacca a medal in an egregiously annoying bit of fan service.

20. Chewbacca gets a medal

I’m not sure how Maz giving Chewie a medal for no reason whatsoever is supposed to make up for his snub in the original “Star Wars” film. This bit feels so shameless.

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117. "Almost all of these are petty complaints"
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And quite a few make narrative sense and are acknowledged in their own paragraphs.

I think a lot of the critical and wanna-be critical complaints about the film are from people trying to do their own version of the TLJ backlash

I like them both. They don’t make sense together, but neither did V and VI.

Everything “wrong” with this one was the same plot bullshit that permeated the original trilogy. So fuck it, it’s Star Wars.

The only thing that pissed me off is every kiss that happened and was winked at, but the one that should have happened.

  

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116. "Spoilers"
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I just saw “force healing” in The Mandalorian.
Well-timed and super cool

  

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119. "Loved it. "
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120. "I liked it"
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It’s a Star Wars movie. A Disney movie.
Some people take this stuff way too seriously. Just don’t watch anything outside of the original trilogy if you’re just going to cry about every stupid little detail instead of just enjoying it for what it is. The originals were not high art either, sorry.

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121. "no way would they have explosions in space!"
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122. "it was aight. anybody who wants to argue over it"
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or argue over whether reviewers should've liked it more (if you're reviewing a movie and it doesn't really make sense that's going to be a problem)

or less

look...they did what they did


you prolly just have too much time on your hands. it happened, it's done

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126. "LEAVE BOB IGER'S PRODUCTS ALOOOONEEEE"
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127. "this dude is really upset that I thought a movie was just ok."
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123. "i was entertained"
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ive enjoyed all three of these trilogies. *shrug*









maybe im just relieved they didnt kill chewie.

  

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128. "trash n/mf/m"
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129. "THEY FLY NOW!!!!"
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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