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"Poll question: Toxic Masculinity killed Nipsey Hussle"
Thu Apr-04-19 12:38 PM by naame

  

          

Inspired by a convo I had with my boy about this horrible essay. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/nipsey-hussle-s-murder-homophobia-toxic-black-masculinity-fuels-it-ncna990661

"Because the truth is toxic black masculinity kills. Rumors have circulated in the past few days that Nipsey Hussle was murdered by a man who felt “disrespected” in the rapper’s clothing store following a personal dispute. Masculinity didn’t protect him, and now he’s dead."

My friend is struggling with understanding the term "toxic masculinity" and although this article dives a bit into the topic the shoehorning of the "gay agenda" into this murder threw both of us off a bit. It's like the gay version of the Dr. Sebi shit.

Poll result (16 votes)
A hater not being able to control his emotions (4 votes)Vote
A man who reacts with violence to emotional triggers (12 votes)Vote
A man who uses the excuse of logic to mask his emotional reactions (0 votes)Vote

  

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Absolutely.
Apr 04th 2019
1
The post should end here, but I fear it won't.
Apr 04th 2019
10
      it never does. either way, my reading will end here.
Apr 04th 2019
63
I hate that term and the use of it. .... for the record.
Apr 04th 2019
2
ditto
Apr 04th 2019
3
equivalent?
Apr 04th 2019
6
pick a different word if you like
Apr 04th 2019
12
      imagine being this fuckin dumb
Apr 04th 2019
23
      .....
Apr 04th 2019
40
           you should aim higher
Apr 04th 2019
59
                How are you a mod if you can’t follow the guidelines?
Apr 07th 2019
171
      RE: pick a different word if you like
Apr 04th 2019
58
^
Apr 04th 2019
13
Eh..
Apr 09th 2019
284
why wouldn't you? you don't know what it means
Apr 04th 2019
22
^Toxic Moderation
Apr 05th 2019
68
      I laughed
Apr 05th 2019
69
      LOL!
Apr 06th 2019
168
Yeah, its a passive-aggressive Flute for men-haters.
Apr 06th 2019
167
      This is such an irresponsible and ahistorical trope
Apr 09th 2019
285
RE: shoehorning of the "gay agenda" into this murder
Apr 04th 2019
4
Gang culture is a subculture
Apr 07th 2019
172
brings to mind this fiery poast....whew..............yikes............
Apr 04th 2019
5
eesh
Apr 05th 2019
93
I don’t like being around people who don’t value human life
Apr 04th 2019
7
and its all ego and fear
Apr 04th 2019
8
Why would anyone?
Apr 04th 2019
14
      Yeah, I listened to a few songs but that’s not my lane
Apr 04th 2019
16
yeah, no.
Apr 04th 2019
9
there will be poast.
Apr 04th 2019
11
Lol bruh
Apr 04th 2019
53
      Men and White People....
Apr 05th 2019
      Men and White People....
Apr 05th 2019
115
"Toxic Masculinity" is another in the long-line of BS propaganda terms
Apr 04th 2019
15
Basically
Apr 04th 2019
17
basically. n/m
Apr 04th 2019
19
who has ever asked you to debate anything?
Apr 04th 2019
21
I'm offended.
Apr 04th 2019
18
surprised he didnt tie-in Jussie
Apr 04th 2019
26
it is nakedly coon shit
Apr 04th 2019
65
yeah.
Apr 08th 2019
194
Any informed Black person will find it repulsive
Apr 09th 2019
236
Toxic masculinity as a subject is a red herring
Apr 04th 2019
20
I totally agree that this happening
Apr 07th 2019
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      is it fair to ascribe these behaviors to masculinity?
Apr 11th 2019
338
there's nothing better than these losers
Apr 04th 2019
24
I am fine with blaming Toxic Mascalinity if we can agree their are multi...
Apr 04th 2019
25
it's pretty infrequent that something is just one thing
Apr 04th 2019
27
How about toxic femininity that has ruled the Black community for
Apr 04th 2019
41
      When have black women ever "ruled" the black community? nm
Apr 09th 2019
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           Ruled might be hyperbolic but it's not so called black men
Apr 13th 2019
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                ^^^powerless
Apr 13th 2019
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                     That reads as projection if it's posted without context
Apr 14th 2019
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Think pieces gonna think piece
Apr 04th 2019
28
Interesting...
Apr 04th 2019
29
Question for you: Why "Toxic Masculinity" and "Frail Masculinity?"
Apr 04th 2019
31
look at the widdle boy boy
Apr 04th 2019
32
RE: Question for you: Why "Toxic Masculinity" and "Frail ...
Apr 04th 2019
33
This isn't a thing
Apr 04th 2019
42
the same reason we say white supremacy instead of just supremacy
Apr 09th 2019
245
It's legit embarrassing too.
Apr 04th 2019
34
if you're going to stan for something
Apr 04th 2019
39
IDK institutional racism and the benefits of it are a system at least
Apr 04th 2019
54
By why can't Toxic Masculinity be the catch phrase for what you just
Apr 04th 2019
60
The phrase itself steers away from the underlying issue
Apr 05th 2019
119
think of it as institutionalized sexism
Apr 05th 2019
88
      I can see it that way but it seems like not the most direct approach
Apr 05th 2019
121
*HOLY GHOST STOMPS*
Apr 04th 2019
57
they are battle weary gender warriors
Apr 05th 2019
87
No.
Apr 04th 2019
30
Gender roles are an aspect of white male supremacy
Apr 04th 2019
62
      RE: Gender roles are an aspect of white male supremacy
Apr 04th 2019
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           far as we know none have done it to the level of Arabs or Europeans
Apr 05th 2019
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                RE: far as we know none have done it to the level of Arabs or Europeans
Apr 05th 2019
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                     The corporatization and global export of violence towards Africans
Apr 05th 2019
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                          RE: The corporatization and global export of violence towards Africans
Apr 08th 2019
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                               For whatever reason the trans atlantic and saharan slave trades
Apr 11th 2019
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We wouldn't use the term toxic femininity for the same behavior by women
Apr 04th 2019
35
why don't we talk about black supremacy more?
Apr 04th 2019
36
Talking about black supremacy would be ridiculous.
Apr 04th 2019
43
what do you think a generalization is
Apr 04th 2019
46
      I don't think anyone is perfect
Apr 04th 2019
47
           so you don't know what a generalization is
Apr 04th 2019
49
                Dude, we agree, I apologize for triggering you. Chill
Apr 04th 2019
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I'm looking forward to the responses.
Apr 04th 2019
44
do y'all throw your heads directly into the concrete
Apr 04th 2019
38
I usually wait a few. Maybe get a cup of coffee first
Apr 04th 2019
55
Y'all really don't hear yourselves, huh?
Apr 04th 2019
48
I wish we had White Entertainment Television.
Apr 04th 2019
52
Cuz women don't exhibit the same behavior.
Apr 04th 2019
61
      Sorority hazing is female gang violence
Apr 05th 2019
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           You just equated Sorority Hazing to the type of Gang Violence that kille...
Apr 05th 2019
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           I equate gang violence to gang violence
Apr 05th 2019
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                you equated college pledging to street violence. I've seen both and
Apr 05th 2019
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                     joining a group out of a need to belong under an agreement of violence
Apr 11th 2019
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           Because they actually CAN beat up other women
Apr 09th 2019
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           sorority hazing literally imitates it's male counterpart lol
Apr 09th 2019
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                by choice right?
Apr 11th 2019
340
                     does that obvious answer
Apr 15th 2019
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LOL
Apr 04th 2019
37
I believe the correct term should be PTSD
Apr 04th 2019
45
woah, that requires too much compassion
Apr 04th 2019
51
^^^^^^^^
Apr 04th 2019
66
It's not OKP. It started on Twitter. We're "late" to this convo.
Apr 04th 2019
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STAPH
Apr 04th 2019
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STAHP?
Apr 08th 2019
205
LoL @ all the hurt niggaz in here / poast point proven
Apr 05th 2019
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since I sparked it off...i'll speak...
Apr 05th 2019
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Video: Man Breaks Woman's Nose...
Apr 05th 2019
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Update: 'Badly Burnt' Body Discovered In Staten Island
Apr 05th 2019
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Police Search For Man Who Attacked Three Women
Apr 05th 2019
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Man Arrested For Throwing Subway Rider Onto Tracks
Apr 05th 2019
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Update: Man Arrested For Allegedly Shoving Woman For Subway Seat
Apr 05th 2019
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Police Arrest Man Seen In Video Violently Beating Elderly Woman On Subwa...
Apr 05th 2019
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Video Shows Woman Sucker-Punched On Crown Heights Sidewalk
Apr 05th 2019
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thanks for the links
Apr 05th 2019
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Looks up stats of abuse and rape in same sex relationships
Apr 05th 2019
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      yup.
Apr 05th 2019
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      I was shocked at the numbers
Apr 05th 2019
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           the duluth model/pop cultural framework
Apr 07th 2019
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      I'm saying
Apr 05th 2019
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      because toxic masculinity doesn't just affect straight people
Apr 05th 2019
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      it’s the reason women beat the shit out of each other?
Apr 05th 2019
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           might be. that's a very broad question about your specific experience
Apr 05th 2019
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                I don’t believe violence is a masculine trait
Apr 05th 2019
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                that's actually factually wrong.
Apr 05th 2019
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                     ^^^^ Can this man get a response?
Apr 09th 2019
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                          Sure. He linked directly to the creator of the concept
Apr 09th 2019
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                               RE: Sure. He linked directly to the creator of the concept
Apr 09th 2019
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                                    I like giving people the last word
Apr 09th 2019
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      WAT?!?!
Apr 05th 2019
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toxic masculinity is not used to only describe black men
Apr 05th 2019
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      emotional health/security/stability are far more accurate terms
Apr 05th 2019
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           get over yourself
Apr 05th 2019
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                That is an odd response. Not sure we'll connect on it's origin
Apr 05th 2019
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                     you are hurt by the term "toxic masculinity"
Apr 05th 2019
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                          Why immediately jump to the "hurt" insult though? That's the go-to
Apr 05th 2019
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                          I also am losing patience
Apr 05th 2019
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                               Am I being confused with someone else
Apr 05th 2019
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                          Quite an assumption when there are reasons like the phrase being off
Apr 05th 2019
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                               release your skepticism about this term and read some of the literature
Apr 05th 2019
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                                    These assumptions are becoming a pattern. I think this is the third time
Apr 05th 2019
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Violence is not a masculine or feminine trait.
Apr 05th 2019
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and there isn't one "femininity" or "masculinity"
Apr 05th 2019
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Agreed. Is it entropy design or both I wonder
Apr 05th 2019
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"masculinity" is not the same thing as "masculine"
Apr 05th 2019
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bruh
Apr 05th 2019
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What's the difference?
Apr 05th 2019
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      a person can be masculine
Apr 05th 2019
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           So one is an adjective, the other is a noun?
Apr 05th 2019
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                if that's all you need to know in order to know they aren't the same thi...
Apr 05th 2019
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                     https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg
Apr 05th 2019
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                          he's saying sex is not the same as gender
Apr 08th 2019
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what is it when a society promotes violence by a particular gender
Apr 07th 2019
182
White supremacy has people behaving the opposite of masculine
Apr 05th 2019
85
Thank you.
Apr 05th 2019
100
Emotional newspeak-esque term that does it's job pretty well.
Apr 05th 2019
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projection is a natural response. We should expect it
Apr 05th 2019
104
you don't seem to like the answers you are receiving to your questions
Apr 05th 2019
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      Nah, everything is just another attempt at emotional manipulation...
Apr 05th 2019
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           my fault, the debate ended with you after you called it propaganda
Apr 05th 2019
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Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and George M. Johnson is disgusting
Apr 05th 2019
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The 1st I heard of toxic masculinity it was attached to the "bros"
Apr 05th 2019
120
Same. Maybe it's a regional thing
Apr 05th 2019
123
that just sounds like the lens you looked at it through
Apr 05th 2019
133
i feel like every 80's teen hijinx movie's plot was driven by it
Apr 06th 2019
165
first I heard was gamergate
Apr 11th 2019
324
almost every single white mass shooter this decade
Apr 05th 2019
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just say you don't read anything
Apr 05th 2019
126
LoL, exactly. I watch my white women friends on FB or twitter...
Apr 05th 2019
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like dude has clearly never listened to one unedited clip
Apr 05th 2019
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      LoL
Apr 05th 2019
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yes, my friend i mentioned in the initial post doesn't read
Apr 05th 2019
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      all the time, they have these wild opinions and things they hate
Apr 06th 2019
163
           Not just books but newspapers too
Apr 07th 2019
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we can hold Nipsey accountable for homophobia
Apr 05th 2019
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      how are you connecting homophobia to his murder?
Apr 05th 2019
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      it's not connected
Apr 05th 2019
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      Was he a homophobic rapper?
Apr 05th 2019
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           yes
Apr 05th 2019
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           This is garbage
Apr 05th 2019
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           deray called him out on one thing
Apr 05th 2019
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                My guy, how'd you get, from that exchange, that Nipsey was homophobic?
Apr 05th 2019
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                     homophobia is like racism
Apr 05th 2019
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                          I didn't get that out of his back-n-forth with Deray...
Apr 05th 2019
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                          What did you think of what deray said?
Apr 05th 2019
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                               No. He wasn't being disingenuous. He was being a supporter and stand-up....
Apr 05th 2019
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                          Get the entire fuck outta here
Apr 05th 2019
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                               Nigga it's an analogy
Apr 05th 2019
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                                    they are not REMOTELY similar. At all. In any way
Apr 07th 2019
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                                         whatever
Apr 07th 2019
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           How is that different that Dave's comments about Hollywood wanting
Apr 05th 2019
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           I don't think it had anything to do with his murder, which is why
Apr 05th 2019
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                I agree with what you said here.
Apr 09th 2019
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           Lmao. That’s a reach.
Apr 05th 2019
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           There was an IG post, from several months ago, where Nip offered...
Apr 05th 2019
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                could be read homosexuality is anathema to being a strong black man?
Apr 05th 2019
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                     Could definitely be. I just didn't interpret it that way because the dud...
Apr 05th 2019
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                          yeah definitely in poor taste
Apr 05th 2019
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You live in a country that was taken by guns germs and genocide
Apr 05th 2019
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"toxic masculinity" is one of the worthless, dumbest terms ever created
Apr 06th 2019
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men hating the term "toxic masculinity" is akin to
Apr 07th 2019
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The fact that it's not simply called 'toxic behavior' should carry weigh...
Apr 08th 2019
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      sorry no. its tied to the power structure of patriarchy. no Sugar Coat.
Apr 08th 2019
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           it's a feeling and can't be tied to anything until accurately described
Apr 11th 2019
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toxic masculinity is what made this loser pretend DC movies were good
Apr 07th 2019
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everything aint gotta be a thinkpiece.
Apr 06th 2019
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Kinda foul to churn out a story like this so soon.
Apr 07th 2019
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oh but it does
Apr 07th 2019
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what happens when the publisher says the audience needs content
Apr 07th 2019
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So why is America’s murder rate so high, relatively?
Apr 07th 2019
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Does gender not play a role at all in heightened levels of violence
Apr 07th 2019
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not in the absolutist sense that "toxic masculinity" implies, no
Apr 07th 2019
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      Sorry my post title threw you off
Apr 07th 2019
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      what point are you trying to make?
Apr 07th 2019
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           your reading comprehension is poor
Apr 07th 2019
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                Ok, player, lol
Apr 07th 2019
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      imagine being a person who can't read
Apr 07th 2019
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           Imagine being a nigga called Goose
Apr 08th 2019
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                Damn
Apr 08th 2019
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                lmfaooo @ "a strong toddler"
Apr 09th 2019
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                in reality, the babysitter's club doesn't exist.
Apr 09th 2019
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                cool display of toxic masculinity
Apr 09th 2019
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why do you think that men are toxic masculinity?
Apr 07th 2019
189
good lord
Apr 07th 2019
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He was killed by an informant working for "toxic white masculinity"
Apr 08th 2019
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^^^^^
Apr 08th 2019
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i was with you on the first point
Apr 08th 2019
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RE: i was with you on the first point
Apr 09th 2019
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      "certain negros actually believe it"
Apr 09th 2019
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      Black men have to take responsibility in addressing the symptoms
Apr 09th 2019
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           Respectability politics... Black oppression baked into American culture
Apr 09th 2019
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                ok bro
Apr 09th 2019
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Word em up, Sun!
Apr 08th 2019
200
The Sebi Conspiracy has evolved to this new strand of thinking I see.
Apr 08th 2019
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Take a day off fam
Apr 08th 2019
202
BASICALLY/ Check this out: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/671/anything...
Apr 08th 2019
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lol
Apr 08th 2019
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i'ma be honest, my mind went to him meeting with LAPD
Apr 08th 2019
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I mean the idea the government killed him because he is working with...
Apr 08th 2019
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      Your lack of intelligence is staggering, my dude.
Apr 09th 2019
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You've admitted to being dumb and getting dumber.
Apr 09th 2019
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the very first reply placed blame on criminal informant policy tho
Apr 08th 2019
204
Subsequent responses by the same poster tell his story...
Apr 09th 2019
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      shit really ain't rocket science
Apr 09th 2019
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      Extremely lucid & succinct synopis, Blak!
Apr 09th 2019
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      literally nobody here is calling black men toxic tho.
Apr 09th 2019
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           You gonna stick to this lie? You literally thanked someone who went
Apr 09th 2019
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                clipsed ain't say black men was toxic tho.
Apr 09th 2019
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                     So you are sticking to your lie. Cool.
Apr 09th 2019
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                          and you're sticking to failing to comprehend people. peace.
Apr 09th 2019
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                               Now you're trying to blame your lie on me. Peace.
Apr 09th 2019
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you ever notice that boogie is always down for the conspiracy
Apr 08th 2019
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      Definitely not willing to overlook it in a case like this.
Apr 09th 2019
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I don't have stats or anything so I could be incredibly off on this
Apr 08th 2019
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Yeah. Women don’t shoot guns...they fuck their man’s best friend
Apr 08th 2019
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24 people shot in Chicago within the past 30 hrs....
Apr 08th 2019
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This sounds kinda Fox newsish
Apr 08th 2019
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      your lens
Apr 08th 2019
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      Kinda? lol. It's straight from the playbook. Just blurt out some shit...
Apr 08th 2019
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           Haha... I was trying to be nice.
Apr 08th 2019
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                Let Nipsey say it instead:
Apr 08th 2019
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                     ^^^^^
Apr 10th 2019
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I heard a woman was the getaway driver
Apr 08th 2019
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Oh is that why he got caught?
Apr 08th 2019
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guess what this is called
Apr 08th 2019
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      Umm, did you think I WASN'T agreeing with you?
Apr 08th 2019
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           lol
Apr 09th 2019
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           is there something about the things I've posted here
Apr 09th 2019
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Religion is to blame for toxic masculinity.
Apr 08th 2019
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The sins of NWA/Too Short/Ice-T/2 Live Crew is coming back to
Apr 08th 2019
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how stupid is this motherfucker
Apr 09th 2019
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aspiring to be like you
Apr 09th 2019
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i know this is a music website, but good god this take is dumb
Apr 09th 2019
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      right, because 2 Live Crew is from California
Apr 09th 2019
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      If we're exploring reasons why, one big one is men raised by single moms
Apr 09th 2019
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           nigga shut up
Apr 10th 2019
300
                No reason for this hostility on the Internet, man.
Apr 13th 2019
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Everyone in here needs to take a step back and breathe
Apr 08th 2019
225
Are you talking about our "Culture of Violence?"
Apr 09th 2019
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      the culture that forces us to say "black lives matter"
Apr 09th 2019
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      Black People and Culture. You know exactly what I mean
Apr 09th 2019
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           I could post a lot of articles about black crime & incarceration rates.....
Apr 09th 2019
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                None of what you said proves that
Apr 09th 2019
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                     I'm making a point here that you're completely missing.
Apr 10th 2019
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                          Nothing flew over my head.
Apr 11th 2019
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holy shit we are stupid, lol
Apr 09th 2019
250
wakanda
Apr 09th 2019
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Language has power.
Apr 09th 2019
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Winky Dinky Dog...
Apr 09th 2019
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^^^^
Apr 09th 2019
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somebody needs to rapture this post! Just lock it
Apr 09th 2019
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See. This is how black men are the white people of black people
Apr 09th 2019
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      issue is, there are people who disagree with the premise and the
Apr 09th 2019
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           i accept that what you are saying is honest
Apr 09th 2019
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                ...but I don't believe in your dogma about toxic masculinity, lol
Apr 09th 2019
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                     Why ask when they came in with guns blazing
Apr 09th 2019
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                          Everything you just wrote about
Apr 09th 2019
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                          What does poverty have to do with white men like matt lauer
Apr 09th 2019
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                          What does Matt Lauer have to do with nipsey's murder, lol?
Apr 09th 2019
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                          not sure i get the point about stereotypes
Apr 10th 2019
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                               essentially TM as a concept attempts to push certain behaviors
Apr 10th 2019
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                                    RE: essentially TM as a concept attempts to push certain behaviors
Apr 11th 2019
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                          Rereading your post, it's even more troubling
Apr 09th 2019
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                               you really can't comprehend what you're reading
Apr 09th 2019
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                                    And here we are with the name calling again, lol
Apr 09th 2019
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                                         You too smart for me doc
Apr 09th 2019
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we're in a place where exclusively internet cats like boogie
Apr 09th 2019
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he ain't really concerned with what's going on out here.
Apr 09th 2019
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they want to drive the bus no matter where it's going
Apr 10th 2019
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You aren't concerned with what's going on with Black people in general
Apr 10th 2019
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      I love watching these losers expose themselves
Apr 10th 2019
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Reading this whole post, I'm so glad
Apr 09th 2019
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Nah
Apr 09th 2019
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Respect
Apr 10th 2019
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Lol. Give one. Just one example of RJCC talking common sense in this pos...
Apr 09th 2019
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we understand that your game is pitching yourself as the judge
Apr 10th 2019
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you just can't take a lot of these cats seriously
Apr 10th 2019
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this site has been completely bananas for a LONG time
Apr 11th 2019
346
Kenyatta Griggs and Tariq Nasheed both knew Nipsey personally
Apr 10th 2019
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      I ain't no 'street dude' but I know the neighborhood.
Apr 10th 2019
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      So does Kenyatta Griggs
Apr 11th 2019
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      Dawg you don't get citing Tariq Nasheed outside the circles you run
Apr 10th 2019
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      And Kenyatta Griggs and Samiel Asghedom?
Apr 11th 2019
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           I'll bite. What exactly did Kenyatta Griggs and Samiel Asghedom say?
Apr 11th 2019
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                Suffice to say they're not ruling out a "conspiracy"
Apr 12th 2019
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                     no one has said you're "trippin"
Apr 12th 2019
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                     I didn't ask you who they are. I asked you what did they say.
Apr 12th 2019
                     And I told you to watch Griggs for yourself
Apr 13th 2019
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                     .
Apr 12th 2019
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      yes, explain that your internet only rambling comes from tariq
Apr 10th 2019
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      Explain why you're ignoring Nipsey's own brother and Kenyatta Griggs
Apr 11th 2019
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           who's ignoring anybody? I said keep motherfucking talking boy
Apr 11th 2019
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                Exactly. Suddenly, being from L.A. isn't your criteria for credibility f...
Apr 11th 2019
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                     who's the man he wanted to do movies with?
Apr 12th 2019
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                          Don't back down now. Why is Ike more credible that all 3 of these ppl?
Apr 12th 2019
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                               I've kept the same energy from the start.
Apr 12th 2019
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                                    Don't be a coward. You were saying living in L.A. lends credibility
Apr 12th 2019
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                                         let's see, what did I say?
Apr 12th 2019
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                                              Still being a coward. Typical
Apr 12th 2019
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                                                   yup, still you out here explaining to actual LA dudes
Apr 12th 2019
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                                                        All these ppl explaining it's "toxic masculinity" are from LA?
Apr 12th 2019
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                                                             I wholeheartedly dispute the idea that
Apr 13th 2019
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      blue lives matter
Apr 10th 2019
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      Yeah I figured you were part of that movement
Apr 11th 2019
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      lmao
Apr 10th 2019
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      Yeah, don't speak. You already admitted to being stupid.
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           yes, for engaging with stupid ideas earnestly
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                You said much more stupid shit beyond that
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      What does being from the streets have to do with this
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           That much should be obvious
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           Imagines you saying this after Malcolm was killed?
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           Malcolm got killed over hurt feelings too tho.
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           Google Raymond Woods
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                I ain't giving nobody a pass. Farrakhan used to BOAST about the shit.
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           Wait wut?
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           "the streets" are where genocide is fought
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                Very telling that yall keep ignoring Samiel and Kenyatta
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                     I'm all for reparations
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                     Very telling that yall keep ignoring Samiel and Kenyatta
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                          blue lives matter
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                     boogie: YALL ARE AGAINST REPARATIONS
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                     Yeah, that last part had me dying bruh, lol
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                          RE: Yeah, that last part had me dying bruh, lol
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this poast is an advert for male birth control
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Word. If yall gonna side with those who want us dead...
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huh?
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LOVES THEM!
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      11 posts since 2008, LoL
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lol
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wow at how easy it is to subvert black people
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Some facts about the murder...
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shout out to boogie ending his rape investigation business
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Boogie steal your girl in HS?
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      yeah, if I were you I also wouldn't want people bringing up
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           Feel free to post links to me "investigating rape"
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i dont like the conspiracy angle but when you lay it out like that
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It was Pepe Silvia
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Your shitty analytical skills, reasoning and comprehension are on full d...
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Sorry bro but Chris Darden defending this dude
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Yeah, you know what you are talking about.
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      RE: Yeah, you know what you are talking about.
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If he went there with two guns in an anti-gun state like CA...
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So yalls suspicion is based on the disbelief that a criminal would have....
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      It's scary how dedicated they are to this.
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      lmao
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      Never mind, I made a point about guns, and you made it about...
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his original pst was outlined by TMZ 3 days after nipsey's day
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NOPE. Toxic masculinity
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RE: NOPE. Toxic masculinity
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Black man you need to search your soul. You care so much
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      end post.
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      So you didn't know his bail was lowered to 5 million?
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      Yo you making the case based on his nickname is so fucking dumb.
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           Same. My people call me Bubble. Good luck figuring out why.
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           i got a cousin nicknamed bubble for the bubble on his lip.
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                damn, we cousins.
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           Does this mean you also didn't know his bail was 5 mil?
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                fantastic deflection
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                The post I'm responded to is deflection
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                to be fair, keeping track of the changing bail from 7 to 5 million
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      plus why would the govt use him then let him live to talk about it?
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high functioning retarded people post here
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So u can fathom the white power structure using "any way they can"
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I think too highly of myself to argue about this on a Saturday evening
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      Not too highly to respond tho lol.
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           there's no getting anywhere with people like you
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                You're not trying to get anywhere.
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                     learn to take accountability for your behavior
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                          It's rather fascinating how all your insults always apply to you.
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                               Im pretty able to address things rationally
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                                    So are plenty other people in here actually.
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                                         thanks for proving me right. you can have the last word
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                                              Likewise
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Lmao at acting above it all while using retarded
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you have a shitty life, your father is ashamed of you
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just gotta post past some niggas and try not to make eye contact.
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where are these gangstas we keep hearing about?
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All the real Gs are no longer with us, RIP (natural selection)
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Shitty's family's houses were shot at
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Ninjaz need ta do dey research: 2 of Shitty's kinfolk got KILLED!
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But are you from L.A. tho?!?!?
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      Sactown, Fam.
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Bad take bro.
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you can take em out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of em
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What's the GOAL and the TAKEAWAY here in this post?
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goal? i dunno
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1. "Absolutely."
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I place blame on reckless criminal informant policies and a lack of mental healthcare in our community too, but I don't see how this is not also an expression of toxic masculinity.

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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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10. "The post should end here, but I fear it won't."
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For beer lovers: http://thebeertravelguide.com
For movie lovers: http://russellhainline.com

  

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63. "it never does. either way, my reading will end here."
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2. "I hate that term and the use of it. .... for the record."
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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3. "ditto"
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the behavior described is in no way only perpetuated by males and there is no equivalent shortcut for it being manifested by females

(sidebar: s'funny how the folks that use it also wanna say "there's no such thing as gender")

but its easier so that chicken gon' get choked

  

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6. "equivalent?"
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why does there have to be an equivalent?

  

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12. "pick a different word if you like"
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point is: why parse it at all?

and if you do: why would there not be terms for each manifestation you select?

  

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23. "imagine being this fuckin dumb"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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40. "....."
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in honor of Angela Nissel who i miss and still respect (as opposed to "rjcc", who I do not) for the kindness she showed and the work she put in:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=announcement&id=76

highlights:

"GUIDELINES (Mar 08th 2008)

......

(10) Of course you are going to disagree with other people's posts, different pieces of content on Okayplayer or certain points of view being put forward by artists, writers, and staff who contribute to the site. This board would be boring if everyone agreed and nobody challenged anyone on anything. Debate is encouraged. Harassing or threatening someone because you disagree is wack and spineless. Harassment and threats are not tolerated. Your account will be deactivated and we will no longer allow you to participate in our community by any means. Based on our judgment, we may decide to give you a warning before taking action, although we are not required.


...

(16) Ignore the posts you do not like and support the ones you do. Responding to posts you dislike is a waste of energy, time, and thought that could go to an interesting post.

...

Keep this in mind: You will only get what YOU put into the boards. If you put out negativity, you will get negativity back. If you put out positivity, you will get that back. Treat message boards as you would treat any home you enter. We hope that you consider this yours."


(edited to be more specific who the internet scab of a poster is)

  

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59. "you should aim higher"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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171. "How are you a mod if you can’t follow the guidelines?"
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Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

  

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58. "RE: pick a different word if you like"
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>point is: why parse it at all?

because people are dying to dudes trying to be macho?

  

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13. "^"
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284. "Eh.."
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>the behavior described is in no way only perpetuated by males
>and there is no equivalent shortcut for it being manifested by
>females
>
>(sidebar: s'funny how the folks that use it also wanna say
>"there's no such thing as gender")
>
>but its easier so that chicken gon' get choked

I think there's no equivalent term for women because any negative behavior on our part is already called out, and added to existing misogynistic tropes (whether true or not). Men are able to act out in ways that women have never been allowed to. Men's behavior is not policed the way women's behavior is.

To be clear, black men are policed within the broader society but not within our community. Y'all behave like utter fools with very little consequences.

  

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22. "why wouldn't you? you don't know what it means"
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don't want to acknowledge how words work, and put the blame in all the wrong places.

that makes your response consistent.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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68. "^Toxic Moderation"
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69. "I laughed"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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168. "LOL!"
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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167. "Yeah, its a passive-aggressive Flute for men-haters."
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And they be playin da hell out dat muhfukka, thinkin we don't see it.

Muhfukka, we SEE yall!





https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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285. "This is such an irresponsible and ahistorical trope"
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Who are these man haters? Like seriously? Why is it when women make valid criticism or create terminology addressing men's horrible behavior they're "man haters?"

  

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4. "RE: shoehorning of the "gay agenda" into this murder"
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Yeah, I'm struggling with the entirety of the article focusing on homophobia

How did that directly factor into this murder?

The question is asked, why isn't the Ed Buck deaths more of a big deal

A; because the deceased are still black men, gay or not

Not being familiar with Nipsey as an artist (I'm old)

and now being exposed to his work

the constant throwing up a 6 in his videos and other display easily associated with gang culture is painful to see

I really appreciate his work outside of the industry; black ownership, etc...

...but when you look at the videos now, posthumously, I think they speak for themselves...

I have no idea how this dude folded homophobia into this story.

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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172. "Gang culture is a subculture "
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Not everyone in a gang is violent. Nip wasn’t active. He didn’t throw anybody else’s set down in his videos, near as I can remember. He grew up affiliated. He was probably and lroud of it as other people are to belong to a fraternity. That alone in no way justifies or condones murdering him in cold blood.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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5. "brings to mind this fiery poast....whew..............yikes............"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13196934&mesg_id=13196934&listing_type=search#13196954

  

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93. "eesh"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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7. "I don’t like being around people who don’t value human life"
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When someone talks about killing people over an argument or a woman... I bounce.

Back in my wild days I used to date hood chicks but as soon as they talked that “my ex is crazy.. pulled a gun” I bounce

It’s also one of the reasons I don’t judge dudes from the hood who make it out and don’t come back. I respect those who do but it’s definitely a risk.

9th wonder had a real ass post about how all it takes is one “no”

you can do everything for your people but the first time you say no... problems.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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8. "and its all ego and fear"
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things you're completely in control of

  

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14. "Why would anyone?"
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>It’s also one of the reasons I don’t judge dudes from the
>hood who make it out and don’t come back. I respect those
>who do but it’s definitely a risk.

I mean, if you are dirt poor and you come into millions of dollars, why would you stay exactly where you are? Why would you come back to that environment without extra precautions being taken? And even then, it's a huge risk.

This ain't about black people/men being violent or their masculinity being toxic. It's about desperation and jealousy. Poverty vs status. Perceived gate keeper vs perceived lack of opportunity.

Someone in a much worse situation, wants to be in a better one, sees someone with an abundance of resources and status and wants access to them. Gets shunned (and told he's a liability because he has a rep for not being trusted...allegedly) in front of his significant other supposedly and takes it personal.

When you mix that in a cocktail with poverty, gang culture and access to guns...a lot of the time, logic goes out the door and 'get back' prevails.

I finally let my disappointment in Nipsey passing subside and I put on Victory Lap today. I swear, there are lines all up and down that album that are eerie when combined with how he passed.

Keys to the City - "...Pull out aim for the target, shoulda never been around the killers...catch a body in broad day..."

It makes me sad that it's perceived that even when you get away from that life and try to 180 your effect on that culture, many believe they have to maintain a certain level of promotion/reporting on it to sustain a street relevance.

I mean, I can't expect a screenwriter to not create their art just like I can't to a musician/rapper...but, I just wish it was more widely acceptable to not need the dirt to have mass credibility to some.

It's just incredibly sad man...

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16. "Yeah, I listened to a few songs but that’s not my lane"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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9. "yeah, no."
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I'm not even trying to understand that article. If Eric Holder was trans, and he got stomped out and called an epithet...that would be different.

somebody got cliff notes?

IG: amadu_me

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11. "there will be poast. "
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***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

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53. "Lol bruh"
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Apparently I gotta call it machismo, sexism, patriarchy, overcompensating, napolean complex anything but toxic masculinity.


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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"Men and White People...."


  

          

clam the fuck up and get caught on words making constructive discussion near fucking impossible if certain triggering words are used.

***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

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115. "Men and White People...."
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clam the fuck up and get caught on words making constructive discussion near fucking impossible if certain triggering words are used.

***********************************************************
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15. ""Toxic Masculinity" is another in the long-line of BS propaganda terms"
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Debate with me pretty-much ends there.

  

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17. "Basically"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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19. "basically. n/m"
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21. "who has ever asked you to debate anything?"
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18. "I'm offended."
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Not by the supposed premise.
Yes, of course violence and homophobia is wrong and shouldn't be celebrated in music lyrics.
But, to pretend like the murder of Nip has anything to do with either of those is absurd and an extremely far reach. He links to his own article, pretending the topics go together in common discourse.

It is dishonest the way he predatorily uses the tragedy as his vehicle to call-out 'Toxic Masculinity', among Black men very specifically.
Waving a brush of hatred like, "The LGBTQ community is all too familiar with the violent side of black masculinity" supporting it not with facts and stats, but a single violent anecdote, to support his false claim.

He then goes on, "The past 12 months have provided numerous examples of the fragility of black masculinity." citing Ed Buck and Terry Crews, after mentioning Kevin Hart's Oscar dismissal over a 10 year old joke?
Crews was sexually assaulted by a white man.
Two Black men were found dead in WHITE Ed Buck's house...& he's never even been arrested, while the black man he uses in the violent example earlier in the article--who poured boiling water on a gay couple--was sentenced to 40 years in jail, and those men are both alive with no physical permanent damage.

Damn this editorial, and the opportunistic (his twitter shows he's selling a book all about the topic) con-man who wrote it.


  

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26. "surprised he didnt tie-in Jussie"
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65. "it is nakedly coon shit"
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dude is profoundly fucked up for this
and the editor who okayed this bullshit to be published is fucked up too

  

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194. "yeah."
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>Damn this editorial, and the opportunistic (his twitter shows
>he's selling a book all about the topic) con-man who wrote
>it.

this is what I call "ambulance chasing". appearing to mean well, but they don't go far enough into these "toxins" to be talking about them. they spend too much time on the symptoms.

  

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236. "Any informed Black person will find it repulsive"
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20. "Toxic masculinity as a subject is a red herring "
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To distract from the real issue of emotional health and human behavior as it relates to attachment

Both men and women in America are trending towards toxic behavior

To suggest there are toxic forms of either masculinity or femininity is insincere as those are attractive qualities in their respective genders. I'd argue that an attractive quality can't at the same time be unattractive

All of America is suffering from broken famalies and emotional insecurity. When parents aren't able to provide security and comfort for their children (with the first two years of life being the most important) it generally results in adults who have severe issues with managing anxiety and forming healthy relationships

Having a traumatic experience as a newborn in the form of abusive or absent parents, losing parents, or anything that would keep a child from getting the care it needs like separating a family of enslaved Africans for example exacerbates the difficulties an adult will face in soothing their own emotional state with behaviors such as theft, murder, and other forms of destructive or anti social behavior

As we know America has been proactively destroying black men, women, and children at a high rate. The destruction of that family unit and others results in outcomes like this. That's why the frame is Toxic Masculinity as opposed to the Nation's role in all of this

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188. "I totally agree that this happening"
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I see it as a byproduct of capitalism and the commodification of gender roles to the point that people become possessive of particular aspects of their gender.

If you think of race as a property right, the in a white supremacist capitalist system white people will defend the concept of whiteness with violence. Whiteness is a concept that although is intangible and really leaves them worse off in the eyes of people who see their goal of racial supremacy as fleeting and self destructive, it carries with it the promise of work, higher pay, better credit, higher home values, second chances in the criminal justice system, strong career networks, the best health outcomes, etc. They are attached to these pieces of identity that are associated with whiteness much like men are attached to aspects of masculinity which in the eyes of many are fleeting and self destructive. The objectification, commodification and exploitation of war, adventure (like stanley and livingstone), racial domination, religious dogma (through prosperity preaching), and of course sexual conquest, are all aspects of masculinity that are being spread through social media like a virus. While at the same time people are becoming more possessive of these conceptual pieces of property and are willing to fight to thw death for it.


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338. "is it fair to ascribe these behaviors to masculinity? "
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"The objectification, commodification and exploitation of war, adventure (like stanley and livingstone), racial domination, religious dogma (through prosperity preaching), and of course sexual conquest, are all aspects of masculinity"

From my reading all of these behaviors come from insecurity which is not a gendered thing. I can see though how through the lens of race these behaviors could be believed to be masculine (and thus toxic) the root seems to be insecurity though.

Rhetorically speaking why not deal with the root?

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24. "there's nothing better than these losers"
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admitting that all they want in life is to be white men

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25. "I am fine with blaming Toxic Mascalinity if we can agree their are multi..."
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causes of death.

Gun Control
Poverty
Mental Health Treatment

It just seems simplistic to try and reduce it to the one thing.

I didn't bother to read the article though.


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27. "it's pretty infrequent that something is just one thing"
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41. "How about toxic femininity that has ruled the Black community for "
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the last 5 and a half decades?

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286. "When have black women ever "ruled" the black community? nm"
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374. "Ruled might be hyperbolic but it's not so called black men"
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Which doesn't mean it's so called black women by default, so maybe it's grandparents? Idk

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378. "^^^powerless"
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394. "That reads as projection if it's posted without context"
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To deny that so called black people in America who have ancestral ties to the centuries of family destabilization and trauma inflicted on families of African descent in the form of separating newborns from their patents, husbands from wives, etc. has not effected the dynamics between men and women in that culture is unwise

Someone once posted "prisons are filled with emotional niggas" and this is one of the reasons why i.e. fatherlessness

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28. "Think pieces gonna think piece"
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It's hard for me to tell if something is genuine or if it's done for clicks nowadays

  

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29. "Interesting..."
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I'ma little surprised at the reaction to the use of the phrase, "toxic masculinity."

Some of you guys are reacting to the phrase like white folks do when we mention white privilege or institutional racism.

  

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31. "Question for you: Why "Toxic Masculinity" and "Frail Masculinity?" "
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Why not gender-neutral terms in this modern, gender-neutral world?




"The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan."
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32. "look at the widdle boy boy"
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wanting to make sure he doesn't have to think anyone is blaming him instead of the truth: no one is thinking about him at all and he has no value or impact of consequence.


it couldn't be less about you.

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33. "RE: Question for you: Why "Toxic Masculinity" and "Frail ..."
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>Why not gender-neutral terms in this modern, gender-neutral
>world?

I assume because it's addressing the historical abuses that men put on various people.

I don't think the idea is that women or LGBTQ people can't act terribly. But there's a long line of abuse and mistreatment that runs back thru history connected to the power (and abuse of it) that men wield.

  

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42. "This isn't a thing"
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>Why not gender-neutral terms in this modern, gender-neutral
>world?

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245. "the same reason we say white supremacy instead of just supremacy"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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34. "It's legit embarrassing too."
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> Some of you guys are reacting to the phrase like white folks
>do when we mention white privilege or institutional racism.

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39. "if you're going to stan for something"
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at least make it not the same thing that the people who hate you the most stan for

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54. "IDK institutional racism and the benefits of it are a system at least"
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Toxic Masculinity isn't a thing. The phrase is actually dismissive of the reality of emotional health and societys role in perpetually fostering the evironments that destroy it

institutional racism and its impact on emotional health would be far more accurate than a catch phrase

Also IDK article seems kind of disrespectful

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60. "By why can't Toxic Masculinity be the catch phrase for what you just "
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described?



>Toxic Masculinity isn't a thing. The phrase is actually
>dismissive of the reality of emotional health and societys
>role in perpetually fostering the evironments that destroy it
>
>institutional racism and its impact on emotional health would
>be far more accurate than a catch phrase
>
>Also IDK article seems kind of disrespectful


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119. "The phrase itself steers away from the underlying issue"
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And the responsibility of society in dealing with it

It's this system that has created the conditions that put men like Nipsey and his killer in the cross hairs

Calling it toxic masculinity takes the focus 100% off of society particularly so called white society

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88. "think of it as institutionalized sexism"
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just like racism hurts the racist and makes his understanding of race fraught with lies and contradictions, institutional sexism affects the worldview and behaviors of the sexist.

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121. "I can see it that way but it seems like not the most direct approach"
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Sexuality can go in so many directions but I do see how sexuality in terms of perceived masculinity can be applied to this scenario. It feels a little indirect but understandable and we arrive at the same destination this way

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57. "*HOLY GHOST STOMPS*"
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87. "they are battle weary gender warriors"
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one must constantly be on guard against the scourge of femininity in the male gender. The gays and the feminists are ensuring the destruction of black manhood and you would be wise to join in the fight lest we lose the strength, courage, and dignity of black manhood. </sarcasm>

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30. "No."
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Failure of civilization in the western world, white supremacy and capitalism is what created the environment that killed nipsey...

You are attempting to view the situation through a reality normal to you when the reality there is much different. Laws are different, morality is different and culture is different

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62. "Gender roles are an aspect of white male supremacy"
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1) "The west" is a concept made up by white men to try and remove nonwhite influence on European civilization.
2)When you call out the white race's role in this situation you are also calling out the male genders role in maintaining white supremacy. The cultural aspects of hyperviolent confrontation associated with the term "toxic masculinity" are fully applicable to Nipsey's murder. The gang culture, the use of government informants and disrespect posed against people identified as snitches, all implicate the male gender

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67. "RE: Gender roles are an aspect of white male supremacy"
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>1) "The west" is a concept made up by white men to try and
>remove nonwhite influence on European civilization.

>2)When you call out the white race's role in this situation
>you are also calling out the male genders role in maintaining
>white supremacy. The cultural aspects of hyperviolent
>confrontation associated with the term "toxic masculinity" are
>fully applicable to Nipsey's murder. The gang culture, the
>use of government informants and disrespect posed against
>people identified as snitches, all implicate the male gender
>

Without the trappings of the current civilization violence is the norm... as humans we have been incredibly violent for almost all of our history than not.

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79. "far as we know none have done it to the level of Arabs or Europeans"
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how much sense it makes to talk degrees, nature, and or purpose of the violence may be moot idk

Also humans can easily be led to violence but organized violence in the form of war or colonization appears require leadership and so maybe it can be argued that our violent history is more the result of violent cultures and or their leadership

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111. "RE: far as we know none have done it to the level of Arabs or Europeans"
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Word?

We forgot the Mongols already? Aztecs, Inca, Mayans?

Fact is civilization is a thin membrane that scales when there is an understanding and social contract that participants agree to in order to rock out... coope

Humans kill... a lot esp when resources are scarce... men do the most of it.

Toxic masculinity is simply to poor a idea to address a fundamental to our make up..

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113. "The corporatization and global export of violence towards Africans"
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is something those other cultures have not seemed to match with whatever violent campaigns they undertook

also what I was getting at is do we blame "humanity" for it's violence or do we blame those who lead it?

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203. "RE: The corporatization and global export of violence towards Africans"
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>is something those other cultures have not seemed to match
>with whatever violent campaigns they undertook
>

Tell that to a group of villagers watching the Mongols roll up

>also what I was getting at is do we blame "humanity" for it's
>violence or do we blame those who lead it?

Well let's get mad philosophical.. humanity is the "consensus"... many times we don't know HOW we got to the consensus... like there is no one to "blame" for languages right? the consensus created them.

There wasn't 1 dude who said yo... here is Spanish bestowed unto you.

I think that violence has gone down as we march forward incorporating more and more people into the whole. The consensus deems it immoral and "unfit" to the survival of the whole so it is looked at negatively.

The problem (that we are talking about re: the hood) happens in the margins where groups are left out of said consensus. So imo the blame falls directly on the powers that be that can change this specific situation (government, the state etc..)

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343. "For whatever reason the trans atlantic and saharan slave trades "
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to my reading are the most unique and both have religion at or near the center.

Had the Islamic Arabs of North East Africa not engaged in their campaign the now "middle or near east" would not have the infrastructure that aided Europe in it's rise and subsequent further destroying of the cultures within the larger continent

>>is something those other cultures have not seemed to match
>>with whatever violent campaigns they undertook
>>
>
>Tell that to a group of villagers watching the Mongols roll
>up

Yeah I hear that. Hindsight is not our friend

>>also what I was getting at is do we blame "humanity" for
>it's
>>violence or do we blame those who lead it?
>
>Well let's get mad philosophical.. humanity is the
>"consensus"... many times we don't know HOW we got to the
>consensus... like there is no one to "blame" for languages
>right? the consensus created them.
>
>There wasn't 1 dude who said yo... here is Spanish bestowed
>unto you.
>
>I think that violence has gone down as we march forward
>incorporating more and more people into the whole. The
>consensus deems it immoral and "unfit" to the survival of the
>whole so it is looked at negatively.

That is an interesting view. I wonder. At the same time people can be led into things they normally wouldn't engage in if they can be successfully manipulated


>The problem (that we are talking about re: the hood) happens
>in the margins where groups are left out of said consensus.
>So imo the blame falls directly on the powers that be that can
>change this specific situation (government, the state etc..)

Yeah totally agress

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35. "We wouldn't use the term toxic femininity for the same behavior by women"
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Why does a dispute between 2 people that had a nuance of its own regress into a generalization?

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36. "why don't we talk about black supremacy more?"
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oh, you think black people are perfect?


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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43. "Talking about black supremacy would be ridiculous."
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I think you misread. We agree on the subject.

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46. "what do you think a generalization is"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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47. "I don't think anyone is perfect"
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everybody should be held accountable for their bullshit,
people do seem to dismiss nuance to make a situation that they aren't privy to sound like a larger issue that fits their agenda.
Its like if I were to paint you as a seething asshole, that wouldn't be accurate because you are a complex human being and your thoughts and positions come from a spectrum that I don't have access to.

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49. "so you don't know what a generalization is"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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50. "Dude, we agree, I apologize for triggering you. Chill"
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44. "I'm looking forward to the responses."
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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38. "do y'all throw your heads directly into the concrete "
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when you wake up in the morning, or do you wait a while and then get to the concussing?

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55. "I usually wait a few. Maybe get a cup of coffee first"
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48. "Y'all really don't hear yourselves, huh?"
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52. "I wish we had White Entertainment Television. "
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61. "Cuz women don't exhibit the same behavior."
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There is toxic femininity, though we don't use that phrase, but it doesn't result in gang violence. It results in other not healthy ways like, idk, being a thot, tearing down other women emotionally, chasing terrible dudes, etc.

I don't think acknowledging toxic masculinity as thing means women don't have their own set of problems. Our problems are particular to us though.


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80. "Sorority hazing is female gang violence "
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women exhibit violence towards each other often and I've seen it mostly in same sex relationships. I'd argue the underlying causes are exactly the same

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83. "You just equated Sorority Hazing to the type of Gang Violence that kille..."
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Nipsey Hussle.

An argument you can only make online because you'd be laughed out the room IRL.

Stop bruh.


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90. "I equate gang violence to gang violence"
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The underlying emotional traumas and voids that lead to violence in gangs are the same regardless of what form the gang takes or the environment in which it exists

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137. "you equated college pledging to street violence. I've seen both and"
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this is mad disrespectful and disingenuous. Get the fuck out of here.


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339. "joining a group out of a need to belong under an agreement of violence"
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not putting down the very human need to belong to something but there are parallels when it comes to the nature of the violence in both groups. Streets aren't needed to form a gang

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242. "Because they actually CAN beat up other women"
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I've seen
>it mostly in same sex relationships. I'd argue the underlying
>causes are exactly the same


If your average woman was actually capable of beating up your average man you'd see way more women doing so.

It happens now to some extent if you find the right/wrong set of people.


I think female on male domestic violence is greatly underreported, another symptom of "toxic masculinity" since Dudes aren't trained to see Women as physical threats

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246. "sorority hazing literally imitates it's male counterpart lol"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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340. "by choice right?"
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416. "does that obvious answer"
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change how their behavior mimics others?

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37. "LOL"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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45. "I believe the correct term should be PTSD"
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...can't believe OKP would bamm up a murder post...

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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51. "woah, that requires too much compassion"
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better to use toxic masculinity so you can PRETEND you care while engaging in america's fave pasttime of beating black men over the head

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66. "^^^^^^^^"
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only when the topic is Black men, is their masculinity the cause of violence.
Not mental health, or poverty, or community decay, or lack of conflict resolution skills.
It's our dicks.
The fact that people ca't see how nakedly racist this is is wild to me

  

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56. "It's not OKP. It started on Twitter. We're "late" to this convo."
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64. "STAPH"
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205. "STAHP?"
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IG: amadu_me

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70. "LoL @ all the hurt niggaz in here / poast point proven"
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lol

mofos so mad at the term they can't just discuss how tragic it is that a well-deserved snub by nipsey to a fellow 60 led to the man actually embodying the running sentiments against him and upping the anti of not only being a snitch but a murderous coward

as dave east said in an interview

if there was beef, there are ways to handle it within your crew

call a fade nigga

he ran back to his car and blew that man away

saw no one was coming and went back to shoot him in the head, then kicked his body

then tried to turn himself into a mental health facility

couldn't even stand up behind what he'd done

i fight against my instincts of hubris, black identity dismantling, imposter syndrome and self-righteousness daily

all while trying to reevaluate and heal from what I learned as a youngster

so i know the ways i can or have expressed myself can be toxic to people i know, love, work with and are around

and i can sometimes support other toxic masculinity

it's a daily thing

i also believe that patriarchy is a systemic tool to oppress and destroy the strides of women

as a sidenote

black men are out here killing children for the belief they may be gay, black men are out here killing trans black women at alarming rates

white supremacy and patriarchy has us expressing toxic masculinity in destructive ways to our own and to others

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71. "since I sparked it off...i'll speak..."
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it's quickly becoming yet another way to label Black men.
I refuse to rock with that.
Y'all can...
But not me...
We got enough labels on our issues....not need to manufacture more coded language...
And the SAD part is that we're buying into the bullshit...

  

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72. "Video: Man Breaks Woman's Nose..."
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After She Told Him To Stop Yelling At Other Women On Subway

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/subway_woman_nose_break.php?fbclid=IwAR3FtRr60iMDIRZO4b25OsjbzDM8xgEA-0cYccURKsllopDhGHbrypjJyuE

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73. "Update: 'Badly Burnt' Body Discovered In Staten Island "
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Storage Unit Believed To Be Missing Teacher


http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/missing_teacher_staten_island.php

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74. "Police Search For Man Who Attacked Three Women"
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Police Search For Man Who Attacked Three Women In Prospect Park

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/04/prospect_park_assault_nypd.php

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75. " Man Arrested For Throwing Subway Rider Onto Tracks"
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, Then Hitting Him With Metal Lock

http://gothamist.com/2019/04/01/man_arrested_for_throwing_subway_ri.php

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76. "Update: Man Arrested For Allegedly Shoving Woman For Subway Seat"
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http://gothamist.com/2019/03/29/police_arrest_man_accused_of_shovin.php

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77. "Police Arrest Man Seen In Video Violently Beating Elderly Woman On Subwa..."
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http://gothamist.com/2019/03/25/police_arrest_man_subway_kick.php

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78. "Video Shows Woman Sucker-Punched On Crown Heights Sidewalk"
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http://gothamist.com/2019/03/21/sucker_punch_video_nypd.php

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81. "thanks for the links "
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86. "Looks up stats of abuse and rape in same sex relationships"
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https://ncadv.org/blog/posts/domestic-violence-and-the-lgbtq-community

Shit is high.. much higher than heterosexual stats.


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89. "yup. "
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96. "I was shocked at the numbers "
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I’ve never not known a gay person who hasn’t been abused or had to physically fight at least one SO.

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176. "the duluth model/pop cultural framework "
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of thinking about IPV/abuse is just an outright lie.
It's way more nuanced and bi-directional than it's presented. ESPECIALLY in Black communities.
All the data says so, too.
Hence, there's no easy way to explain same-sex abuse being insanely high among gay woman, other than "toxic masculinity".
Which is obviously bullshit

  

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97. "because toxic masculinity doesn't just affect straight people"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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101. "it’s the reason women beat the shit out of each other? "
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I’ve seen some serious hands being thrown by women and a man ain’t have shit to do with the relationship.

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103. "might be. that's a very broad question about your specific experience"
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but toxic masculinity is also called "hegemonic masculinity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemonic_masculinity

The particular normative form of masculinity that is the most honoured way of being a man, which requires all other men to position themselves in relation to it, is known as hegemonic masculinity. Originally, hegemonic masculinity was understood as the pattern of practice that allowed men's dominance over women to continue. In Western society, the dominant form of masculinity or the cultural ideal of manhood was primarily reflective of white, heterosexual, largely middle-class males. The ideals of manhood espoused by the dominant masculinity suggested a number of characteristics that men are encouraged to internalize into their own personal codes and which form the basis for masculine scripts of behaviour. These characteristics include: violence and aggression, stoicism (emotional restraint), courage, toughness, physical strength, athleticism, risk-taking, adventure and thrill-seeking, competitiveness, and achievement and success. Hegemonic masculinity is not completely dominant, however, as it only exists in relation to non-hegemonic, subordinated forms of masculinity. The most salient example of this approach in contemporary European and American society is the dominance of heterosexual men and the subordination of homosexual men. This was manifested in political and cultural exclusion, legal violence, street violence, and economic discrimination. Gay masculinity was the most conspicuous subordinated masculinity during this period of time, but not the only one. Heterosexual men and boys with effeminate characteristics ran the risk of being scorned as well.

here is the definition of misogyny from wikipedia

Misogyny (/mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. Misogyny manifests in numerous ways, including social exclusion, sex discrimination, hostility, androcentrism, patriarchy, male privilege, belittling of women, disenfranchisement of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification. Misogyny can be found within sacred texts of religions, mythologies, and Western philosophy and Eastern philosophy.





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106. "I don’t believe violence is a masculine trait"
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We have to stop treating like infants who aren’t responsible for their actions.

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122. "that's actually factually wrong."
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This is why pop blog culture sucks ass so much.

The founder of the term "toxic masculinity" (Raewyn Connell) created the term as a part of her work in exploring the nuances of masculinity. It actually is a term created as a part of a project to *dismiss* the notion of hegemonic masculinity, and speak to the infite ways that infinite factors influeunce the reification of gender.

In her conception, "toxic masculinity" is specifically about Australian men and boys from rural blue collar backgrounds mirroring the behavior of British gentry. it's "toxic" to them because they are chasing something antithetical to their material conditions and unachievable.

It has nothing to do with how pop culture/blogs have taken it and dumbed it the fuck down. Connell's book, "Masculinities" is actually pretty damn good, btw

http://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.html

  

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228. "^^^^ Can this man get a response?"
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I mean damn, he just chopped yall's whole concept up from the root.
The least yall can do is thank him for the class.
I know the drill tho. I've pointed out the same thing before.
They always pretend they didn't see it and continue the ignorance that further study into Connell's work would easily eliminate.


>This is why pop blog culture sucks ass so much.
>
>The founder of the term "toxic masculinity" (Raewyn Connell)
>created the term as a part of her work in exploring the
>nuances of masculinity. It actually is a term created as a
>part of a project to *dismiss* the notion of hegemonic
>masculinity, and speak to the infite ways that infinite
>factors influeunce the reification of gender.
>
>In her conception, "toxic masculinity" is specifically about
>Australian men and boys from rural blue collar backgrounds
>mirroring the behavior of British gentry. it's "toxic" to them
>because they are chasing something antithetical to their
>material conditions and unachievable.
>
>It has nothing to do with how pop culture/blogs have taken it
>and dumbed it the fuck down. Connell's book, "Masculinities"
>is actually pretty damn good, btw
>
>http://www.raewynconnell.net/p/masculinities_20.html
>

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238. "Sure. He linked directly to the creator of the concept"
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Who basically restated everything we've been saying in this post

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269. "RE: Sure. He linked directly to the creator of the concept"
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>Who basically restated everything we've been saying in this
>post

Untrue. But I've seen how you'll drop out the convo once you're truly challenged and proven wrong.

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290. "I like giving people the last word"
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132. "WAT?!?!"
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toxic masculinity exists in same sex relationships also

LoL

WTF

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84. "toxic masculinity is not used to only describe black men"
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the ways that toxic masculinity is displayed by black men has a particular race dynamic but the term is used to describe certain male behaviors

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95. "emotional health/security/stability are far more accurate terms"
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and are used in the science of the study of human behavior

Everyone wins with this outlook except those that are ignorant and or want people to be

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99. "get over yourself"
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102. "That is an odd response. Not sure we'll connect on it's origin "
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but it would be nice

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105. "you are hurt by the term "toxic masculinity""
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toxic masculinity is a descriptive term for a very academic type of discussion that includes "emotional instability." It's not a term meant to accuse you "Atillah Moor" of being a toxic human who deserves to be shunned.

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108. "Why immediately jump to the "hurt" insult though? That's the go-to"
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response for some reason and it doesn't make sense.

No one's hurt...



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110. "I also am losing patience"
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I am losing patience with his constant diversions and general ignorance in relation to this fairly simple concept. "what about the gays?" "what about white people?" "what about the arabs?" Shit man. How long we gotta do this?

My toxic masculinity wants me to tell him to stop being a bitch.

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112. "Am I being confused with someone else"
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>I am losing patience with his constant diversions and general
>ignorance in relation to this fairly simple concept.

The concept is simple when addressed as emotional security. An emotionally secure man is seen as Masculine and attractive so it is impossible for that to be toxic in nature


>"what about the gays?" "what about white people?" "what about the
>arabs?" Shit man. How long we gotta do this?

Huh? Not sure where I made statements of that nature

>My toxic masculinity wants me to tell him to stop being a
>bitch.

I'm sure this is more jest than anything else, but

losing patience

coupled with

my toxic masculinity wants me to tell him to stop being a bitch

reads like someone is in their feelings

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109. "Quite an assumption when there are reasons like the phrase being off"
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on a fundamental level

if Toxic Masculinity killed Nipsey then using that logic it could be said that it's what decimated the Native Americans as well because that was an endeavor led by a lot of men with the safety of the women they likely abused (and did) being used as one of the many justifications

Toxic Masculinity killed John Lennon should be just as valid a statement right?

It toxic masculinity is a thing then toxic infancy should be one as well since children can naturally be quite narcissistic and that's considered a toxic behavior

>toxic masculinity is a descriptive term for a very academic
>type of discussion that includes "emotional instability." It's
>not a term meant to accuse you "Atillah Moor" of being a toxic
>human who deserves to be shunned.

Black people being born inferior was a VERY academic type of discussion so for me that is not a strong validator

Why would I take personally a phrase that literally makes no sense?

Honestly that comes across as projection and I think my sense of that is supported by logic either missing from this discourse or having no impact meaning one of us is speaking from their emotions which is cool, but not the way I'm able to look at this subject

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114. "release your skepticism about this term and read some of the literature"
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if you take a week or two and read the actual literature you can see how gender, like race, plays a role in all of those simple ass rhetorical questions you just asked. If frances cress welsing called it "toxic masculinity" you wouldn't have as much of a problem with the term.

Scientific racism and misandry says that black men are biologically disposable.
You can see that this is the opposite of scientific racism in that black men are being asked to stop being so violent towards each other and the women they love. The genocide that is being perpetrated against Black men and women by other Black men is not being led by the Feminist men. Male feminists aren't the ones saying Black men are biologically disposable.

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118. "These assumptions are becoming a pattern. I think this is the third time"
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To really believe or think that if a so called black woman held a belief then I wouldn't have a problem with it makes zero sense

Also it sounds like someone is dare I say gaslighting themselves? Hopefully not since that behavior is also narcissisitic and toxic and if you're male...

So this is obviously an emotional issue for you. I understand and you may be more right than wrong. Who knows?





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82. "Violence is not a masculine or feminine trait. "
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Neither masculinity or femininity can be toxic

It's the person's emotional state

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91. "and there isn't one &quot;femininity&quot; or &quot;masculinity&quot;"
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and what's definied as "toxic" is conditional

The way the term has been butchered is fucking retarded

And you can easily rattle off a list of links of incidents of women being horrifically violent to men women and children, as well.

Violence exists.
It's not gendered.
The *punishment* of the perps of violence is gendered, tho.

  

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94. "Agreed. Is it entropy design or both I wonder"
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The way the term has been butchered is fucking retarded

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116. ""masculinity" is not the same thing as "masculine""
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which is why they aren't the same word.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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128. "bruh"
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they just don't get some basics

so.......

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130. "What's the difference?"
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Besides part of speech

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146. "a person can be masculine"
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a person cannot be masculinity.

this is a hint.

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155. "So one is an adjective, the other is a noun? "
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Why are you speaking in riddles? lol

>a person cannot be masculinity.
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>this is a hint.
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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156. "if that's all you need to know in order to know they aren't the same thi..."
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and don't mean the same thing, then sure?

It's not a riddle.

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158. "https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg"
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https://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

eclipsedInI: you seem like you have a functioning brain. Can you fill me in?

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197. "he's saying sex is not the same as gender"
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182. "what is it when a society promotes violence by a particular gender "
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as a method of resolving emotional conflicts?

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85. "White supremacy has people behaving the opposite of masculine"
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or feminine not toxic versions of those ideals

Black men tend to behave MORE feminine under WS due to black men being taken out of the fathering and husband role for centuries

Emotional thinking and behaving is a feminine trait and when men take on feminine traits greater than their natural allotment of such the result is dysfunction and it's the same for women but with masculinity

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100. "Thank you."
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-30-
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98. "Emotional newspeak-esque term that does it's job pretty well."
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Mofos get emotional-as-hell as soon as you start asking questions. Then accuse YOU of being emotional. I see ya'll.

Folks can't and won't define the bullshit ideas they accept, but get emotional when someone evens questions it. If not being "toxic" means I gotta renounce my manhood, tuck my balls in and be a follower then fuck it.

Some of y'all "men" seem like y'all hate manhood and masculinity. That's a step away from hating yourself.

Fuck it tho. Y'all keep arguing against your own self interests. Allow others to label you. Tell you how you really are. What you *really* meant by what you said. About all the evil shit that you *really* think. How fucked-up you really are, no matter what you do.

lol.

  

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104. "projection is a natural response. We should expect it "
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107. "you don't seem to like the answers you are receiving to your questions"
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and you aren't open to doing more research on your own

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125. "Nah, everything is just another attempt at emotional manipulation..."
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...and not logical reasoning. Including your reply, in-which you decided to tell me about myself.

The EXACT thing I said in the post you replied to. Passive-aggressive "attack the messenger."

That technique only works on the weak minded.


Edit: Also, what "answers to my questions?" Other than RJCC's insults, Marbles is the only person to directly answer me (who gave a reasonable, thought-out answer, by the way).

>you don't seem to like the answers you are receiving to your
>questions

Just more attempts at being misleading. Intellectual dishonesty. It's all in the post.

  

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127. "my fault, the debate ended with you after you called it propaganda"
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Which I don't automatically disagree with because propagandists do use the term to advocate for gender equality.

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117. "Toxic Masculinity doesn't exist and George M. Johnson is disgusting"
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Nipsey Hussle wasn't even dead for a week and yet this writer with an agenda decides to use him to attack the black community.

Toxic Masculinity is bullshit because it never applies to white people. Notice the people in power never label/attack other communities as toxic.

Every time I see this term it is used to attack black men. It's ironic as fuck coming from someone looking for "allies" within their ethnic group. You cannot shame a community into accepting the white lgbtia agenda. On one hand black men are evil toxic masculine monsters and literally in the other hand they try to latch onto black men to pursue an agenda that benefits them. You, black gay writer, need to stop this bullshit. Where's the asian gay writer attacking his community?

Can someone show me examples of famous white entertainers with fanbases used to attack their larger community as toxic upon death? This writer is disgusting for this bullshit. I'm noticing a trend between this writer and Richy Rosario authoer of an article blaming black men for rushing to support an actor that faked a hate crime.

George M. Johnson is fucking trash. RIP Nipsey.

  

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120. "The 1st I heard of toxic masculinity it was attached to the "bros""
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Not black men.

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123. "Same. Maybe it's a regional thing"
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133. "that just sounds like the lens you looked at it through"
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there's no race division

  

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165. "i feel like every 80's teen hijinx movie's plot was driven by it"
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324. "first I heard was gamergate"
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124. "almost every single white mass shooter this decade"
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has a screed about Black men fucking "thier" women somewhere in their recent online history, and use it as a justification for why they murder multiple innocents.

Next to no referendums on how posionous their manhoods are, somehow.

Obama uses rap and gold chains as examples of unhealthy masculinity...while wearing a $4K rolex, after spending 8 years bombing the shit out of poverty stricken African nations for business interests.

Shit is transparently a racist ideology, in it's pop culture application

  

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126. "just say you don't read anything"
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if you say toxic masculinity is only used in relation to black men, it's because the only time you've ever heard of it is watching some dusty niggas in a youtube video

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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131. "LoL, exactly. I watch my white women friends on FB or twitter..."
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call out these crazy white boys all damn day

and the black women on twitter who continually call out the knuckledraggers and maga idiots

also gay men, or trans black women calling out white and black toxicity and homophobia daily

notice who isn't included in that

white/black men who identify as straight

only a few spend their time calling out idiots.

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147. "like dude has clearly never listened to one unedited clip"
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of any woman


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150. "LoL"
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unedited

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159. "yes, my friend i mentioned in the initial post doesn't read"
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we talked about that three days ago after he sent me a link about the illinois house approving the teaching of lgbt history in schools. Nigga said he would homeschool his kids. I asked him the last book he read. "Reading books isn't my preference. I get my knowledge through videos and museums."

I mentioned that his not reading was a problem a few months ago because the nigga said he thought sandy hook was a conspiracy.

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163. "all the time, they have these wild opinions and things they hate"
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...but they haven't read a book in 20 years to even know what the terms mean to start with, and the only version of any argument they've seen has come from the scammers pitching some heavily edited version of what the other side is saying.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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174. "Not just books but newspapers too"
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Anti-intellectualism is also a part of toxic masculinity.

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129. "we can hold Nipsey accountable for homophobia"
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and also mourn him

and people are allowed to mourn how they choose to

it may be hurtful to some, but watching all of the stories of LGBT people being killed at such high rates & especially black trans women while famous rappers doing the good work can't extend that to their LGBT brethren in their lyrics or deeds is tragic

it deserves to be called out

you may feel different and that's fine, but it is what it is.

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134. "how are you connecting homophobia to his murder?"
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151. "it's not connected"
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but certain folks choosing this time to call him out can be distasteful to some

i just wish the "no homo" would die

i say pause also, ironically at this point

but i do it as an ally

ya'll just be deifying everyone & can't accept any criticism

but it'll all be okay in the end

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135. "Was he a homophobic rapper? "
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I’m not up on his content but what I heard from the Victory album was mostly LA gang thug ish

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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136. "yes"
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https://kulturehub.com/nipsey-hussle-deray-twitter/

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139. "This is garbage"
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141. "deray called him out on one thing"
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but he was talking about another thing. I don't think Deray was wrong for calling him out and I do think that Nipsey could have said "Gay and Straight" instead of "not homo" but Nipsey clearly wanted to push back against an agenda that makes straight Black men be seen as a danger to all.

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142. "My guy, how'd you get, from that exchange, that Nipsey was homophobic?"
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--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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144. "homophobia is like racism"
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it's a method of dehumanization that includes being indifferent to the suffering of gay people

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148. "I didn't get that out of his back-n-forth with Deray..."
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Like I mentioned below, maybe Nipsey didn't have the most educated perspective but it did not appear that he was taking shots or was intentionally looking to harm anyone with his statement/IG caption.

He attempted to acquit himself via the convo with Deray. Apparently, it didn't work because this has come up again since his death. Sadly, none of us knew the cat personally. So, we'll never know his true and current stance on the topic.

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153. "What did you think of what deray said?"
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Was deray being disingenuous?


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157. "No. He wasn't being disingenuous. He was being a supporter and stand-up...."
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guy for what he believes in. After reading through it again, it would have been much better had they gotten to each other, in person, as opposed to doing their best to articulate their points within that limited character set.

I do think, as stated in the piece, that it was a bit far-fetched to label the brother as homophobic. And I think that Nipsey's perspective may have been a little off-base as well because I see tons of representation, of Black men, from all walks of life. At the same time, I can't dispute his experience because he may not have been looking at the same things that I was.

"While the LBGTQ community are indeed still fighting for rights, describing Nipsey’s words as “violent” and “homophobic” are a stretch.

Stating that Blacks don’t have as many straight, positive, non-violent representations may be unfounded and baseless, but it’s an observation, and it does not mean he’s against the cause."

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160. "Get the entire fuck outta here"
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>homophobia is like racism

Show me the homophobic equivalent of Jim Crow... I'll wait.
Show me an impact on the same level as the war on drugs... I'll wait.

This isn't remotely a close comparison in any capacity. Feel free to kumbaya all you want but facts say you're wrong. Recent history reinforces the fact you're wrong.

Homophobia is not equivalent to racism and that is an insult to Black American history. Next thing I know you're going to champion intersectionality.

  

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161. "Nigga it's an analogy"
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It doesn't require a fucking direct one to one comparison.

I will link you up to how gays and lesbians were denied the right to get married like Black people, they currently face job discrimination because of their sexual orientation, they were put in jail or concentration camps for being gay, there is a cultural whitewash through so called gay conversion therapy, niggas in brunei just passed a law saying you can stone gay people to death...

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177. "they are not REMOTELY similar. At all. In any way"
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It ain't apples and oranges, it's apples and telecom sattelites.
It's a nonsensical analogy, that the largely white, upper class LBGT movement tries to shove down our throats to make them seem NOT white & rich.

  

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180. "whatever"
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140. "How is that different that Dave's comments about Hollywood wanting"
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to put every black comedian in a dress?

...with the supporting clips to demonstrate that point...

AND, 1 MORE X FOR THE FOLKS IN THE BACK

WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH HIS MURDER?!?

was he also violentphobic

single mother phobic

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143. "I don't think it had anything to do with his murder, which is why "
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I said the essay shoehorning in homophobia and toxic masculinity in the original post is like how niggas are trying to link his murder to Dr. Sebi. I actually thought I could talk about that more in this post but these other niggas have taken the conversation over with their defense of toxic masculinity.

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237. "I agree with what you said here."
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>I said the essay shoehorning in homophobia and toxic
>masculinity in the original post is like how niggas are trying
>to link his murder to Dr. Sebi. I actually thought I could
>talk about that more in this post but these other niggas have
>taken the conversation over with their defense of toxic
>masculinity.

I don't think homophobia has anything to do with his death, and making it about that... is some "he was gonna tell us about Dr. Sebi" shit.

the toxic masculinity discussion is fair to me. a little ambulance chase-y, but it applies.

  

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152. "Lmao. That’s a reach. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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138. "There was an IG post, from several months ago, where Nip offered..."
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the following caption to a photo that is no longer on his IG.

"Demonstration speaks louder than Conversation. They gone feed us every image of our men and boys but this one. No hyper violent...No homo sexual...No abandoners....JUS STRONG BLAC MEN AND YOUNG Men. RESPECT TO MY BIG HOMIE @bigu1 for Leading with love and intelligence. GOD IS WITH US WHO CAN GO AGAINST US 💪🏾"

https://www.theroot.com/nipsey-hussle-homophobia-and-toxic-black-masculinity-1821954848

I don't know if that means he was homophobic or not. It does mean he had an opinion about contributing factors that feed the public's perception of Black men. Maybe not the most educated view but not one that appears to berate, degrade, or reprove anyone for their sexuality.



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145. "could be read homosexuality is anathema to being a strong black man?"
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I can see it being interpreted that way. Can't say if that's being implied or not

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149. "Could definitely be. I just didn't interpret it that way because the dud..."
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https://kulturehub.com/nipsey-hussle-deray-twitter

didn't seem to be taking a shot. Then, I read the exchange found in this link and definitely didn't think dude was homophobic.

IN the end, I think it's in bad taste for these articles to come out now after the bother is gone and doesn't have the opportunity to redeem himself in some folks' eyes or to tell them to kick rocks if he stood by the supposed feelings people believe he held.

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154. "yeah definitely in poor taste"
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> IN the end, I think it's in bad taste for these articles to come out now after the bother is gone and doesn't have the opportunity to redeem himself in some folks' eyes or to tell them to kick rocks if he stood by the supposed feelings people believe he held.

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162. "You live in a country that was taken by guns germs and genocide"
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stop with the toxic masculinity bs.

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164. ""toxic masculinity" is one of the worthless, dumbest terms ever created"
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not a coincidence that RJCC as usual is in this thread losing his mind about folks loathing it

  

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181. "men hating the term &quot;toxic masculinity&quot; is akin to"
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white people hating the term "white privilege".

point being, its real, its a perfectly descriptive phrase, and you should listen and learn what it is, how to root it out of yourself and others and stop trying to deny it exists because you're triggered by it.

If you're actually interested in learning about it, there's a fantastic documentary called "The Mask You Live In", as well as tons of other resources.

if you're not, keep complaining about how much you hate hearing about it.

It's harmful and it kills whether you like the phrase, or not.

and finally, masculinity is beautiful and wonderful and sexy as fuck. but toxic masculinity is a cancer that needs to be rooted out of society and men should be on the FRONT LINES to make that happen. Instead, alot of y'all are burying your heads in the sand and pretending like it doesn't exist, and that you weren't taught it and that you NEVER EVER perpetuate it in any form.

ok.


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198. "The fact that it's not simply called 'toxic behavior' should carry weigh..."
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It's like calling bad ideas or self destructive behavior "toxic creativity"

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215. "sorry no. its tied to the power structure of patriarchy. no Sugar Coat."
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listen and learn.

White people don't get to soften white privilege to make it more palatable as a phrase and men don't get to soften toxic masculinity

its ugly and it needs to be dealt with head on

masculinity can take many forms...and all those forms are acceptable except the toxic ones. periodt. with a capital T.

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344. "it's a feeling and can't be tied to anything until accurately described"
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The toxic behavior men and women engage in comes from insecurity. If people wanted to actually address the issue it would sound more like that, but instead people want to point fingers at genders when men and women both are responsible for not providing what children need to grow into secure adults who are not toxic in their behavior

Trying to cure a cold by dealing with the sound of a cough is how it currently comes across

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191. "toxic masculinity is what made this loser pretend DC movies were good"
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imagine sitting through suicide squad and trying to like it LOL


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166. "everything aint gotta be a thinkpiece."
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169. "Kinda foul to churn out a story like this so soon. "
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Niggas will do anything for a dollar.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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170. "oh but it does "
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183. "what happens when the publisher says the audience needs content"
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and the publisher needs clicks

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173. "So why is America’s murder rate so high, relatively?"
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There are men in every country. If toxic masculinity was the only factor behind acts like this, murder rates would be roughly the same in every country. What is the argument, that America is somehow several degrees more patriarchal than most westernized countries? There is no empirical data that proves that. Think deeper.

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175. "Does gender not play a role at all in heightened levels of violence"
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Am i supposed to just ignore what is clearly in front of my face?

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178. "not in the absolutist sense that "toxic masculinity" implies, no"
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American gender is racialized and capitalized/monetized, on top of the natural variance that sex (M/F) already naturally has due to human difference. So no, you can't just sprinkle some "toxic masculinity' on American violence to make it make sense, lol.

The combination of all those moving pieces makes a concept like "toxic masculinity" as it's used, laughably inadequate.

  

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179. "Sorry my post title threw you off"
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I sensationalized it to get clicks and look what happened

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184. "what point are you trying to make?"
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185. "your reading comprehension is poor"
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187. "Ok, player, lol"
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190. "imagine being a person who can't read"
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that tries to use the word absolutist to win arguments without ever knowing its definition

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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192. "Imagine being a nigga called Goose"
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Who has to pretend to be tough on a message board when in reality a strong toddler could stomp your ass out.

  

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195. "Damn"
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Goose?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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227. "lmfaooo @ "a strong toddler""
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>Who has to pretend to be tough on a message board when in
>reality a strong toddler could stomp your ass out.

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235. "in reality, the babysitter's club doesn't exist."
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you want to try and stomp me out, come through.

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247. "cool display of toxic masculinity"
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lolz

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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189. "why do you think that men are toxic masculinity?"
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and that varying murder rates -- that I don't think you're actually looking up

are the only statistic mentionable?

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186. "good lord"
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November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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193. "He was killed by an informant working for "toxic white masculinity""
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(which is what the gov't is.. toxic white masculinity)
But I've noticed that hasn't been mentioned much in here... nor is it a choice on the poll. What we DO have in here are folks rushing to reduce this to some everyday occurrence of "black-on-black crime" even tho this situation is far from normal, considering the way he was shot, the fact that the getaway driver wasn't even arrested (no, seriously), and the shooter is an informant. Nipsey was signed to a major record label and was also pushing multiple messages that are bad business for the maintenance of white supremacy. Black people buying land/buying the block up and starting businesses, eating healthier, getting black folks into coding, buying appreciating assets, ending gang violence. To that last point, he wrote a letter to the police department requesting a meeting to work on solutions to gang violence (he was killed a day or two before that meeting was to take place, btw). He was so thorough that denying him would be far too obvious. But some of yall will buy it hook, line, and sinker if another black person kills him, because you hate yourselves that goddamn much. Even when the killer works for them. If you're just totally convinced that this was some random shooting, then you should probably do yourself a favor and read up on how black revolutionaries have been killed by the gov't in the past. This situation doesn't pass the smell test. Also, nbcnews can kiss my ass putting out this "toxic black masculinity" garbage when they have zero articles about "toxic white masculinity" which has been around long before white pseudoscience even classified Black males as men. That's right, the concept of black manhood and womanhood are barely a century old in this country... which should inform and change how some of yall view this "toxicity" concept and the real source of it, but I know how most of yall get down. Blaming the black male is white supremacy's most consistent scapegoat route, and the bulk of you niggas are right on board on some de facto white supremacist bullshit. Shout out to the 4 or 5 trill people left on here putting enough respect on Nip's name to question what REALLY happened here.

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196. "^^^^^"
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199. "i was with you on the first point"
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yes, the informant/gang member/offended party/murderer was probably working for the police. The police and the military (and their collaborators in hollywood and the church) are the worst offenders in maintaining and spreading the concepts of white male toxic masculinity from the individual level, to the family unit, to a global scale.

The rest of your comment is what seems to be getting confused here. I don't absolve black people from playing a role, however unwittingly, in carrying out the wishes of the police and military propagandists that seek to spread their devotion to patriarchal domination. Nipsey was killed by these factors being displayed within a Black culture that is bastardized by white supremacists and developed in reaction to white patriarchal violence.

People don't hate themselves because they use the term toxic masculinity. If anything, like Damali said, they want to see Black people prosper and rooting out the concepts associated with sexism will allow us to do so.

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230. "RE: i was with you on the first point"
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>yes, the informant/gang member/offended party/murderer was
>probably working for the police. The police and the military
>(and their collaborators in hollywood and the church) are the
>worst offenders in maintaining and spreading the concepts of
>white male toxic masculinity from the individual level, to the
>family unit, to a global scale.



Well at least one of you can admit that much.


>The rest of your comment is what seems to be getting confused
>here. I don't absolve black people from playing a role,
>however unwittingly, in carrying out the wishes of the police
>and military propagandists that seek to spread their devotion
>to patriarchal domination. Nipsey was killed by these factors
>being displayed within a Black culture that is bastardized by
>white supremacists and developed in reaction to white
>patriarchal violence.


Your conclusion here is problematic. Black culture is not simply bastardized by white supremacists, but terrorized, tortured, oppressed, vultured, monitored and ultimately controlled by white supremacists. Also, to say that Nipsey's murder is the result of a Black culture that was developed in reaction to white patriarchal violence, is to say that Black culture is nothing but violent and murderous. This is problematic because many great accomplishments by many great people were indeed reactions to white patriarchal violence. THAT is the Black culture created in reaction to white patriarchal violence. What you seem to be addressing is the culture that is terrorized, oppressed, controlled, etc. The truth is that this kind of violence is born of extreme poverty and scarcity. Crime rates rise under these conditions. As I mentioned in my original comment, when you consider the peculiar way in which Black males and females have historically been treated concerning gender in this country up to the present, you get a myriad of issues. To place any blame at all on the black community itself is, essentially, to victim blame... which is pretty ironic given the topic here. You cannot fix the black community without fixing the terrorism of the community. The problem is white terrorism, white patriarchy, white toxic masculinity, all the white shit.


>People don't hate themselves because they use the term toxic
>masculinity. If anything, like Damali said, they want to see
>Black people prosper and rooting out the concepts associated
>with sexism will allow us to do so.

The quote from the article doesn't just say "toxic masculinity." It says "toxic black masculinity" which was part of my issue, seeing how nbcnews.com doesn't have articles talking about toxic WHITE masculinity. If you gonna victim-blame black people for their own oppression, at least blame them last after you spend all the decades it'll take to talk about the fault of white people. To that end, Black people rushing to victim-blame Black people is, indeed, self-hatred and de facto white supremacist action. White folks been making up pseudoscience to blame Black people for centuries now. It's like they said it for hundreds of years until certain negros actually believe it.


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240. ""certain negros actually believe it""
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Yuuuuup.

  

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