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"where there's smoke there's fire" position. At the same time, as a big fan of the man's music and career, in the back of my mind there was always lingering doubt. Largely because none of what he was being accused of (primarily the charge of being a "relentless, calculated predator" didn't fit what I knew about him via interviews, etc. But "what I knew about him" was admittedly only what I had seen over years of following him sort of peripherally, I never really dug deep into the details of the accusations, the trials, etc. Until recently.
>why is it, if Mike did this shit... do people have to lie
>about it? Even the dumb little things that seem so
>inconsequential. there's always a lie. always. people get
>caught trying to correct them.
>
>and that film was full of them. juxtaposed against the actual
>scenes from the film.
Yea and I won't watch this film. This is a tough situation for me from an ideological standpoint. Because on one hand, I am vehemently pro-victim, in that I'm *alwys* urging people to believe victims until proven otherwise. Because for so long, victims of rape, child abuse, etc. have been ignored and destroyed. i.e. the #metoo movement, huge proponent and ally of that movement.
But on the other hand, in a case like this, here's two victims telling a story, yet there seems to be a MOUNTAIN of evidence to dispute what they're saying. It's way, way more than just "why'd they wait so long to tell their story" which is, IMO, such a weak defense absent other contradictory evidence. So while my natural inclination is to believe victims no matter what, this situation has way way way too many red flags (to use a term the dude in this video used) for me to just blindly believe these dudes.
>even shit I have NO idea how this dude managed to dig up... I
>mean, fucking Limbaugh clips? LOL
>
>I thought that there might be something to Safechuck's story
>even though his lawsuit had reason for doubt... but goddamn,
>even that motherfucker is lying dogg
>
>and the thing is, people will point at this guy as some
>"basement dweller with a tinfoil hat" even though he supports
>everything he states with clear, verifiable evidence.
>
>unlike... Leaving Neverland.
>
>when the presenter wound it back to 1993 for the purposes of
>shooting down some of the deflections you know are coming....
>he had the articles up, he had the videos of the police up, he
>had all of this up.
Yea that's what's so remarkable about this entire thing (in addition to his linguistic gymnastics ... holy shit that dude can turn a phrase): everything he said was backed by solid, concrete evidence. Not just word of mouth, not just some unverifiable information, but hard, near-indisputable evidence. Like he's not just persuading you, he's leaving you no option but to be convinced that everything we've seen and heard over the years has been total and complete horseshit.
One of the more convincing parts of the 3 parts of this dude's rant was when Aphrodite was talking about how she wanted to write a pro-MJ book post-acquittal and she was *literally* silenced by the entire publishing community. That shit was fucking MINDBLOWING. For starters, it's wild that all publishers banded together/conspired like that against one person for reasons unknown. But another shocking aspect of that was how they framed it as a financial decision; like the publishers decided to silence pro-MJ folks because they were pissed that they didn't get their "the King of Pop is a pedo" story to publish worldwide. But wouldn't a pro-MJ book, specifically post-acquittal, be nearly as profitable ? MJ has RABID fans all over the fucking world. I can't imagine how anything about him wouldn't have made them money.
Disgusting, deplorable behavior by the publishing companies if that story is to be believed.
>you show this to someone and they're like
>
>"but would you let your kids sleep in his bed tho"
>
>I'm like "Nigga, you know the answer is no. Stop being
>stupid".
Yes. I don't think any pro-MJ person has ever disputed the fact that MJ was a strange motherfucker who didn't do himself any favors by how he handled his time w/children. So that attempt at deflection is sort of irrelevant. The parents of these kids share a ton of the blame for this entire thing, to varying degrees.
>if a 4 hour film can be taken down with hard evidence by
>people who aren't fans in 30 minutes or less... and no one can
>do the same for others in similar situations. you can't throw
>"oh, he ain't watch".
>
>the best thing Kellz stans have (esp. regarding the women of
>age): "they chose that"
>
>Cosby Stans (including Cosby himself, if you've heard some of
>the shit he's been communicating from prison) are like "he
>tried to buy NBC", "he was a political target".
>
>if there's one thing I've learned about MJ, is that reality
>defies perception. and that's been proven true up until this
>point.
>
>I thought the vitiligo thing was bullshit. then I learned more
>about it. then the autopsy proved it.
>
>I thought he "paid off" to evade charges. turns out the dad
>tried to extort Jackson, MJ said "fuck you", filed a civil
>case (despite the preference of the LAPD and Jackson's legal
>team to go criminal), Jackson's plea for delaying the civil
>suit was denied, and he HAD to settle so that the criminal
>case would not be tainted. dudes got their money and were
>ghost. 2 grand juries refused to indict (to correct an earlier
>statement, the pictures weren't entered into evidence... and I
>think it's because they didn't match the way the prosecution
>say they did. again, an autopsy tends to vindicate MJ in that
>regard... pause)
>
>and the 2005 case, the one I thought finally would nail him,
>was a poorly reported case of a grifting family trying to get
>money out of a dude they got close to for a PR stunt he was
>putting together to rehab his image or whatever the fuck.
Yea. It's truly a tragedy how this man was treated throughout his life. He gave the world plenty but I think, as impossible as it sounds considering all he DID do, that he had so so so much more to offer the world but was handicapped from doing so by various institutions, whether due to greed, jealousy, fear, or what have you.
>and like the Smollett situation, if this gets exposed the way
>it should (I think corporate and identity politics will
>prevent it from happening but I could be wrong), this is gonna
>AGAIN put ammo in the "bad guys" hands again.
>
>Susan Smith.
>Jussie Smollett.
>hell, you could even say JonBenet (they OJ'd the parents IMO)
>
>this is the same shit. and in the most hopeful scenario (for
>MJ fans and family affected by this charade), motherfuckers
>are gonna come back years later with a tepid "my bad" and
>pretend this shit ain't happen.
>
>but those they pointed out? oh, they enabling pedophiles. they
>love the glove. they can't let go of Motown 25.
>
>I haven't watched the Cosby Show in a long time... it used to
>be one of my favorite background noise TV shows. I only
>reference my memories now. I barely even do the "Cosby voice"
>which was one of my staples.
>
>SUCK
>MY
>DICK.
>
>this could be Stevie Wonder, my ACTUAL favorite, and I'd give
>the same time of day... if things like this came out.
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