ended up down an #ADOS rabbit hole on Twitter this morning. Willie Lynch might have been apocryphal, but please somebody convince me that this shit isn't intentionally divisive.

as far as I can tell it's mainly a bunch of black folks on that Trump shit. either that or folks are really mad about Cynthia Erivo playing Harriet huh? no love for Garvey anymore? or Harry or Sidney? or Shirley?

what happened to all the power to all the people?

when you've got Ann Coulter cosigning your movement, then maybe it's time for some self-reflection

https://mobile.twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1093585729240944645

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>

so they gonnna post and tweet and retweet about everything to stay relevant.

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to get black people not to vote.

the same circle of rich right wing billionaires underwriting shit like prager u, turning point usa, etc. are paying black internet personalities to sow apathy and distrust in the democratic party among black people.

its harder to tell with tariq nasheed because he has always been on some dumb shit.

but once previously sorta-sensible non-controversial black men like boyce watkins started posting shit like this, i knew something was up:
https://twitter.com/drboycewatkins1/status/1093992091884179462
https://twitter.com/drboycewatkins1/status/1094646743260676096
https://twitter.com/drboycewatkins1/status/1094779835153551360

not too long ago...he was posting shit like this:
https://twitter.com/drboycewatkins1/status/891988048740835328

i was on the fence at first...but anne coulter amplifying the campaign just told me everything i need to know.

specific ADOS thing going maybe 3 years ago, and they're not being propped up by anyone.

And as I mentioned above, this is just a rebranding of the Black vs. black thing we've been talking about on here since the mid 2000s.

when the daughter of a black jamaican is running for president.

explain this to me.

kamala harris announces her run for president on 1/21.

boyce watkins...who knows yvette carnell very well...and has been *beefing* with her for a year...just starts using the #ados hashtag starting on 2/8 (and not a day before).
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%3Adrboycewatkins1%20%23ados&src=typd

tariq nasheed just started using the #ados hashtag on 2/4 and not a day before.
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=from%3Atariqnasheed%20%23ados&src=typd

according to socialblade...you can see an exponential(artificial) increase of the #ados hashtag after kamala announces. starting 1/22 exactly.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DytMibNXcAAup-6.jpg

new accounts on twitter are being created just to promote the #ados hashtag
https://twitter.com/humbledan2

tiffany77293727...whose first ever tweet was on feb 10...wants you to know she is definitely not a bot lol
https://twitter.com/tiffany77293727/status/1094780300650074113

Lge54692635...whose first ever tweet was on feb 3...would like people to stop calling him/her a russian bot and pushing the slanderous agenda lol
https://twitter.com/Lge54692635/status/1092282715486015488

the most common hashtag to be used with #ados is #notabot lol.
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=%23ados%20%23notabot&src=typd
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyqFQkuXQAABE5c.jpg

hmmm...where have we seen that before...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUbKiOhVwAE9AZm.jpg



honest question...do you think all of that is a coincidence?

Haven't read through the links on this post, but the #ADOS conflicts with Kamala's Jamaican father, who *is* a descended from slaves in the Americas.

Unless the "A" refers only to "United States." Or if he's a "Coolie" (is that a slur? The oldhead Jamaicans I know laughed when I asked by they never were clear on whether it was a slur or not)


I'm looking at this 'new' term popping up suspiciously tho. Language is a powerful tool for control.

basically another way to divide us from us using us.

saying kamala isnt generally 'black' or 'african american' is dubious at best. and that basic line of attack seems to be receding. but saying she isnt the descendant of black slaves in the united states is more specific...so that works. so its time to build an agenda around it.

specific justice claim against the United States government (not just for reparations - in general). The justice claim of Jamaicans is against the UK. (Technically, we have a claim against the UK too, because almost all the Africans brought here came under the British flag, pre-Revolutionary War).

“Almost all” is putting too much on it. 1619-1776 is a long time, but importation of Africa slaves to America continued for decades after that. Would be fair to estimate that number well over a million people. That is likely conservative as an estimate.

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ados on Joy Reid's show on February 2nd. Then Angela Rye went on the Breakfast Club and did the same thing the following week. The reason either one of them did that was because Kamala's campaign was hitting unforseen pushback from within the B/black community. That was not how it was supposed to go for Kamala at all.

Just about all of the ados conversation is happening on FB and Twitter. Shireen Mitchell and Joy Reid know that if they can get this labelled as a Russian/bot thing, FB and Twitter are more likely to shut down accounts that use the ados hashtag. If they can silence Kamala's black critics, it smooths things out for her, because non-blacks don't know about these internal conversations and controversies that are happening within the larger black community.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DytMibNXcAAup-6.jpg

joy ann reid and angela rye were stating the obvious. the activity around the 'movement' is extremely suspicious and mirrors past disinfo campaigns.

chicken/egg.

it doesnt mean everyone involved isnt real. nothing is 100% bots.

the 'founder' of #calexit was real (started a year before it blew up). and so were a lot of their followers. but a coordinated disinfo campaign was built around it for various reasons.

you really dont find it suspicious that tariq nasheed and boyce watkins...who have both been very familiar with yvette carnell for years and have even had public beefs with her...just started co-opting the campaign in the same week?

have you read up on how russian and right wing bots/trolls command messaging, stoke divisions, influence real world protests/confrontations, etc?

issue is. That's true.

But Joy/Angela and others were trying to make this whole thing go away by just associating ados with bot. That was dishonest and disingenous.

As for Boyce and Tariq, what I've seen of Tariq Nasheed is that he accuses alot of B/black people of being anti-Black, depending on what they say or do. So once Kamala announced, he did the same with her. And even though Boyce has been beefing with Yvette, they do agree on alot - that was why they used to be more allied. Their beef is largely personal ( some shit about money he owes her, or something.)

It's easy to forget that Kamala's pushback doesn't have to be some nefarious Russian-fueled plot. Obama didn't get widespread Black support until he won Iowa and proved to us that he was electable. There are legit concerns among some Black people that Kamala's background, along with her record might indicate that her outlook doesn't align with alot of Black people's outlook on things.

On the Breakfast Club this morning they were taking calls from listeners to get reactions to KH's interview yesterday. The very first caller roasted her on her DA/AG record and sounded knowledgeable and passionate. If I have time later I'll see if they've put the audio up yet. My point is that people are linking all of this together and not liking what they're seeing. We don't have to suppress reasoned, legitimate, dissenting opinions in order to ensure that he ride to the nomination is as smooth as possible.

with Black folk about her Blackness

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>Shireen Mitchell and Joy Reid know that if they can
>get this labelled as a Russian/bot thing, FB and Twitter are
>more likely to shut down accounts that use the ados hashtag.

twitter shuts down accounts due to large scale suspicious activity. not because journalists and tech diversity speakers tell them to. especially not no damn joy reid and shireen mitchell lol. cmon man. you sounding like real infowars right now.

any time twitter is red flagging the activity around your 'movement' then you know whats up...
https://twitter.com/BreakingBrown/status/1092322057680052224

Do you disagree with that?

like the crown prince of saudi arabia?

the all-powerful joy ann reid who couldnt silence the controversy around her old blog posts suddenly has the power to command jack to banish kamala harris opponents to the phantom zone.

seems legit.

this is one step away from diamond and silk vs 'facebook liberal bias' territory. except it aint tech execs pulling the strings. its msnbc hosts lol.

do you hear yourself?

of Tamar Braxton, she tried it.

And Joy did pretty well by managing to stay in her position on msnbc while lying about her old blog being hacked, all along the way. She's got some kind of juice to have been able to pull that off.

it absolutely seems like
a coordinated effort because this shit aint new.



kamala is clearly the sacred cow
and any black ppl who arent behind her are suspected of disinformation....shit is modern day mccarthyism

but this was predicted as well so...

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Shows just how important the Black vote is to the Democratic party
and how much some of these black folks on TV just follow orders from somebody

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from making decisions like that? hell, he prolly pushed her to it. lol.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

but it’s hilarious to post this type of shit AFTER your daughter marries white

Dude already has the answer to the question he is asking.

or maybe he sent her to an Ivy school?

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definitely seems grassroots and organic lol.

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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

it's actually a grassroots campaign that's been built over years of work online. And it's really older than that...it's critical race theory.

...and we was all going THRU it with y'all.

Like we were y'all and y'all were us. Wasn't even a question. MLK and Malcolm X were heroes with murals. We watching all of Roots. Mad. Watching Eyes on the Prize and shit. I still remember how pissed people were about Rodney King. How excited they were about Obama.

Like... we are you.

Y'all let a few bourgie foreigners influence your beliefs about whether or not we hate y'all. Same bourgie folks who looked their noses down on people back home too.

Shit's sad.

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>...and we was all going THRU it with y'all.
>
>Like we were y'all and y'all were us. Wasn't even a question.
>MLK and Malcolm X were heroes with murals. We watching all of
>Roots. Mad. Watching Eyes on the Prize and shit. I still
>remember how pissed people were about Rodney King. How excited
>they were about Obama.
>
>Like... we are you.

for like 10 minutes when someone explained where Grenada was on a map and then we went back to being regular.



>Y'all let a few bourgie foreigners influence your beliefs
>about whether or not we hate y'all. Same bourgie folks who
>looked their noses down on people back home too.

^^^^ this is it right here

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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>
>Y'all let a few bourgie foreigners influence your beliefs
>about whether or not we hate y'all. Same bourgie folks who
>looked their noses down on people back home too.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

There has always been friction between African Americans and black folk from Africa, Jamaica, Haiti, etc

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Among many other terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad things.

But no, let's focus on "othering" our own people instead, and meh-ing every candidate because they're not black, authentic, or likable enough.

Forest for the fucking trees.


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american black ppl asserting themselves
and addressing a specific justice claim in america

and its "russia"

the sentiment is anti-black as fuck
we're just not smart enough to come up with this on our own
huh?


ive been watching yvette for over 3 years now
i study the data...read the books and changed my political
ideology based off my own lineage along with the observations
ive made of politics/media

why do i need to care about a continent i have no connection
to besides genetics?

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does more to divide black people than benefit black descendants of chattel slavery.

Like from a policy perspective when would making this distinction ever serve anyone? I am just trying to figure out how it works.

You want scholarships for individuals who are descendents of slaves? I love it. Do it. I support that.

Other stuff that doesnt' serve individuals?

And my kids? I'm Decendents of Chattel Slavery but my wife is Carribean descent (slavery) and Filipino descent. Can my kids participate in such policies?

I see how even the term #ADOS, which I've never seen before this post, is being attacked because people are making a point that their descendants were not slaves but were enslaved. I am sure that's a distinction someone thinks is worth making but it's also just some bullshit to argue about.


Sighs. Man I feel like 95% of everything everyone is talking about is distractions.



>american black ppl asserting themselves
>and addressing a specific justice claim in america
>
>and its "russia"
>
>the sentiment is anti-black as fuck
>we're just not smart enough to come up with this on our own
>huh?
>
>
>ive been watching yvette for over 3 years now
>i study the data...read the books and changed my political
>ideology based off my own lineage along with the observations
>ive made of politics/media
>
>why do i need to care about a continent i have no connection
>to besides genetics?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

African girl says “ they aren’t talking about me, they are talking about y’all”

I also ran into similar discussions with Africans in college.

It’s definitely a distraction but unfortunately folks take so much in where they are from they end up fractions when it comes to macro discussions.

I feel like this is a convo WE are allowed to have but it shouldn’t be front and center. Especially during an election and not in front of “them”

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I mean I can run down a bunch of Africans and Caribbeans who are down for the cause and don't make that distinction. I can also point to a bunch of black people who support Trump.

That some people are on that bullshit isn't a reason to buy into it.


Soon you will be having Eric Trump Jr. talking about Light Skin Privilege and there will definitely be people on twitter talking about, "Well you know he is right" when we know the only reason he brought it up was to sow division.




>African girl says “ they aren’t talking about me, they
>are talking about y’all”
>
>I also ran into similar discussions with Africans in college.
>
>
>It’s definitely a distraction but unfortunately folks take
>so much in where they are from they end up fractions when it
>comes to macro discussions.
>
>I feel like this is a convo WE are allowed to have but it
>shouldn’t be front and center. Especially during an election
>and not in front of “them”


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Like from a policy perspective when would making this
>distinction ever serve anyone? I am just trying to figure out
>how it works.

if you're a descendant of American chattel slavery then the policies would serve you. simple.



>
>I see how even the term #ADOS, which I've never seen before
>this post, is being attacked because people are making a point
>that their descendants were not slaves but were enslaved. I
>am sure that's a distinction someone thinks is worth making
>but it's also just some bullshit to argue about.

this is about AMERICAN SLAVERY...key being slavery that has enriched the USA

Haitians' justice claim is with the French
Jamaicans? the British
Brazilians? the Portuguese and Dutch


I'm not going to get in any of these groups way if they want to assert themselves and make a claim for the free labor that their ancestors engaged in to enrich those countries. I mean its a very very clear message with concise points that are all backed up with data, history and policy. this aint no Hebrew Israelite shit.
this is real.

and what is it a distraction from? its a political ideology.
what are ados being distracted from if they are holding all politicians accountable for a real agenda for those whose lineage fits the descriptor?

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I am guessing tha you think new immigrants shouldn't benefit but should a first generation (born here) benefit from the same policies as someone who is, say, ten generations (i.e, Descendent of American Chattel Slavery)? Or someone who is part DOACS be treated differently from people who can prove they are 100% DOACS?

Once we figure out who can benefit from it, I still have the question of what type of policies are we talking about?

Reparations?

Because if we are talking Reparations should the first step really be getting some buy into the concept of Reparations?

Part of the reason I find it a distractions because it seems like arguing over policies we don't even have in place right now and aint coming any time soon.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I am guessing tha you think new immigrants shouldn't benefit
>but should a first generation (born here) benefit from the
>same policies as someone who is, say, ten generations (i.e,
>Descendent of American Chattel Slavery)? Or someone who is
>part DOACS be treated differently from people who can prove
>they are 100% DOACS?


if you are the progeny of immigrants, then no, you are not ADOS.
its such a simple delineation. like...I cant trace anybody past my great great grandmother.. who was a slave in Enterprise, Alabama.
That is it.

my wife is carribean too and she goes harder for the movement than I do, btw.

Black immigrant population spiked in the Reagan era.
what free labor were Jamaicans, Haitians, and other Africans doing in the 1980s?




>Once we figure out who can benefit from it, I still have the
>question of what type of policies are we talking about?
>
>Reparations?


Reparations is the beginning and the end of the conversation.
In between you can redress policies that have affected the wealth position of black ppl from the reconstruction era to the jim crowe era.

the GI Bill was only accessible to whites in WWII...they built wealth off that. that needs to be redressed

Redlining that rated black neighborhoods undesirable because of them being a "credit risk" (HELLO SLAVERY). that needs to be redressed

Restrictive covenants on housing needs to be redressed

etc etc.







>Part of the reason I find it a distractions because it seems
>like arguing over policies we don't even have in place right
>now and aint coming any time soon.

I though building a wall was a joke too. now look at where we are.

It's not hard to make a policy that says all HBCUs should get X amt of funding every year to make costs cheaper for students

when ppl care about something enough..policy comes soon after.

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>>I am guessing tha you think new immigrants shouldn't
>benefit
>>but should a first generation (born here) benefit from the
>>same policies as someone who is, say, ten generations (i.e,
>>Descendent of American Chattel Slavery)? Or someone who is
>>part DOACS be treated differently from people who can prove
>>they are 100% DOACS?
>
>
>if you are the progeny of immigrants, then no, you are not
>ADOS.
>its such a simple delineation. like...I cant trace anybody
>past my great great grandmother.. who was a slave in
>Enterprise, Alabama.
>That is it.

1.) A lot of black people, especially poor black people, don't know their lineage even that far back. They would need their own skip gates to track down such information if it can be traced. But what happens when a person has a grand parent or greater who is of immigrant descent? They can't benefit from these programs? Marcus Garvey and his descendents couldn't benefit from these programs? Malcolm X's grandchildren? Shirely Chisolm's peoples?

Even if they have been in the country for generations and have experienced racist US policies?



>
>my wife is carribean too and she goes harder for the movement
>than I do, btw.



>Black immigrant population spiked in the Reagan era.
>what free labor were Jamaicans, Haitians, and other Africans
>doing in the 1980s?


Huh? What free labor was anyone doing in the 1980s?


>
>
>
>
>>Once we figure out who can benefit from it, I still have the
>>question of what type of policies are we talking about?
>>
>>Reparations?
>
>
>Reparations is the beginning and the end of the conversation.
>In between you can redress policies that have affected the
>wealth position of black ppl from the reconstruction era to
>the jim crowe era.


Bingo. The problem with this overall idea is that Black People from all lineages in this country have suffered racism in this country, not only the descendants of American Slavery.

There are black people in this country who are 2 three generations deep (Grandparents immigrants), should they not benefit from these programs?

Again, do you really have to be 100% of American Slavery descent before you think they deserve some reparations or the benefits fo these policies?





>the GI Bill was only accessible to whites in WWII...they built
>wealth off that. that needs to be redressed

Agian, black folks who are not of descedents of American Slavery served in WWII and did not benefit from these programs. Should they not be taken care of?

>
>Redlining that rated black neighborhoods undesirable because
>of them being a "credit risk" (HELLO SLAVERY). that needs to
>be redressed
>
>Restrictive covenants on housing needs to be redressed
>
>etc etc.


Again, all stuff that affects black people from all backgrounds, why would you limit it to only people of DAOCS?





>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>Part of the reason I find it a distractions because it seems
>>like arguing over policies we don't even have in place right
>>now and aint coming any time soon.
>
>I though building a wall was a joke too. now look at where we
>are.
>
>It's not hard to make a policy that says all HBCUs should get
>X amt of funding every year to make costs cheaper for
>students
>
>when ppl care about something enough..policy comes soon
>after.
>
>


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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only those directly, observably affected by racism, can make claims of racism.

This approach doesn't acknowledge the affect of structural and institutional racism has on ALL black people in this country.


It's also feels like fighting over table scraps.


Here is the thing, If you had two candidates for a scholarship and the only difference is one was a newly arrived immigrant and the other was the DAOS, I would take that into consideration, but it wouldn't be my only consideration.





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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

the fact you call it table scraps
when american blacks built the table for the scraps to be on lets me know you dont know enough to understand why their is a distinction.

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divides us

LINEAGE is the answer to all of your questions
not blackness

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Here are my questions that you are not answering:


There are black people in this country who are 2 three generations deep (Grandparents immigrants), should they not benefit from these programs? Yes or No.

Again, do you really have to be 100% of American Slavery descent before you think they deserve some reparations or the benefits fo these policies? Yes or No.

Agian, black folks who are not of descedents of American Slavery served in WWII and did not benefit from these programs. Should they not be taken care of? Yes or No.

Again, all stuff that affects black people from all backgrounds, why would you limit it to only people of DAOCS? Yes or No.

Your Question.


Are you really asking how it divides us to DIVIDE black people between DOACS ans NON-DOACS and giving certain benefits to DOACS only?

It's literally dividing a group into smaller groups and pitting them at odds for resources.

How is that NOT dividing?




>divides us
>
>LINEAGE is the answer to all of your questions
>not blackness


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I know it sounds cold but nah, if you parents immigrated 2 or 3 generations ago you don’t get reparations for slavery.

Doesn’t mean YOU can’t give them some of that money from your pockets but nah...

Black Americans who are descendants of slaves are ALWAYS being pressured to give away what they don’t even have yet.

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his own interests.

how bizarre is it for black ppl to call out other black ppl
for wanting to hold their government accountable for all the fucked
up shit that's been done to them?

like we fighting for YOU nigga.

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>his own interests.
>
>how bizarre is it for black ppl to call out other black ppl
>for wanting to hold their government accountable for all the
>fucked
>up shit that's been done to them?


This is where your smallness of the scope of your thinking and pettiness is showing.

If you could follow me, I am not at all saying the government should not be held accountable to black people. In fact, different from your position I am arguing that the government should be accountable to all black people who have been victimized by systematic racism.

You are making the petty argument of, no the government shouldn't be held accountable to all black people who have suffered racism here in this country. Just the black people who pass some sort of lineage test.

>like we fighting for YOU nigga.

What you call fighting for someone's self-interest, I call being self-serving and selfish.

Again, think broader than fighting just for your little piece of the table scraps.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Here are my questions that you are not answering:
>
>
>There are black people in this country who are 2 three
>generations deep (Grandparents immigrants), should they not
>benefit from these programs? Yes or No.

NO




>Again, do you really have to be 100% of American Slavery
>descent before you think they deserve some reparations or the
>benefits fo these policies? Yes or No.

YES




>Agian, black folks who are not of descedents of American
>Slavery served in WWII and did not benefit from these
>programs. Should they not be taken care of? Yes or No.

NO. and PLEASE show me the data of black immigrants serving
in the US army during WWII..... cuz that sounds like
a hell of a reach




>Again, all stuff that affects black people from all
>backgrounds, why would you limit it to only people of DAOCS?
>Yes or No.

BECAUSE DOAS BULIT THIS COUNTRY AND ENRICHED IT SO BLACK PPL FROM ALL
BACKGROUNDS COULD THRIVE HERE IN AMERICA


>Are you really asking how it divides us to DIVIDE black people
>between DOACS ans NON-DOACS and giving certain benefits to
>DOACS only?
>
>It's literally dividing a group into smaller groups and
>pitting them at odds for resources.


other black groups aren't entitled to ADOS resources. simple


hope that clears it up.

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>>Here are my questions that you are not answering:
>>
>>
>>There are black people in this country who are 2 three
>>generations deep (Grandparents immigrants), should they not
>>benefit from these programs? Yes or No.
>
>NO


Just a follow-up question. So you great grand parent or grandparent is of Carribean descent, and you are the victim of redlining in Chicago, then you don't get any sort of redress? Is that your thing?




>
>
>
>
>>Again, do you really have to be 100% of American Slavery
>>descent before you think they deserve some reparations or
>the
>>benefits fo these policies? Yes or No.
>
>YES


So I get the reparations, parents get it, but my children get nothing? Why wouldn't they get 50%?




>
>
>
>
>>Agian, black folks who are not of descedents of American
>>Slavery served in WWII and did not benefit from these
>>programs. Should they not be taken care of? Yes or No.
>
>NO. and PLEASE show me the data of black immigrants serving
>in the US army during WWII..... cuz that sounds like
>a hell of a reach

Dude there was a whole black puerto rican regime in WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Ricans_in_World_War_II

Yeah there some white looking puerto ricans but there are alot more black Puerto ricans.

Harlem was a quarter Jamaican by the 1920s. The US led Caribbean Defense Command was a "major" outpost of WWII. The Caribbean has always accounted for the largest percentage of the foreign born serving in the US Military. My father in law is Bajan and served in the US Airforce during Vietnam. Get Colin Powell to speak on it.

But is your position that there were no Black People of Non-DAOCS descent who served in WWII or victims of redlining OR that if there are it doesn't matter, they shouldn't get redress from that because they aren't DAOCs?


Cause it sounds like you are saying this is all about payback for slavery, not redressing systematic wrongs caused by racism. Is that right?


>
>
>
>
>>Again, all stuff that affects black people from all
>>backgrounds, why would you limit it to only people of DAOCS?
>>Yes or No.
>
>BECAUSE DOAS BULIT THIS COUNTRY AND ENRICHED IT SO BLACK PPL
>FROM ALL
>BACKGROUNDS COULD THRIVE HERE IN AMERICA
>
>
>>Are you really asking how it divides us to DIVIDE black
>people
>>between DOACS ans NON-DOACS and giving certain benefits to
>>DOACS only?
>>
>>It's literally dividing a group into smaller groups and
>>pitting them at odds for resources.
>
>
>other black groups aren't entitled to ADOS resources. simple
>
>
>hope that clears it up.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Just a follow-up question. So you great grand parent or
>grandparent is of Carribean descent, and you are the victim of
>redlining in Chicago, then you don't get any sort of redress?
>Is that your thing?


redlining redress affects a lot more than ADOS obviously. but ADOS need to have something that addresses their specific housing concerns.
because after all, we built the country. if a Jamaican descendant wants access to decent housing I wont stand in their way.



>
>So I get the reparations, parents get it, but my children get
>nothing? Why wouldn't they get 50%?

sure children of a ADOS/other union can get
it.
my wife is carribean. my baby is ADOS/carribean.


>Dude there was a whole black puerto rican regime in WWII.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Ricans_in_World_War_II
>
>Yeah there some white looking puerto ricans but there are alot
>more black Puerto ricans.
>
>Harlem was a quarter Jamaican by the 1920s. The US led
>Caribbean Defense Command was a "major" outpost of WWII. The
>Caribbean has always accounted for the largest percentage of
>the foreign born serving in the US Military. My father in law
>is Bajan and served in the US Airforce during Vietnam. Get
>Colin Powell to speak on it.
>
>But is your position that there were no Black People of
>Non-DAOCS descent who served in WWII or victims of redlining
>OR that if there are it doesn't matter, they shouldn't get
>redress from that because they aren't DAOCs?

Youre not ADOS, you don't have the claim.

and I would push back against your Puerto Ricans in WWII wiki post. I said black immigrants. you know damn well Puerto Ricans are not what we're talking about of when we talk about black immigration from the Caribbean. You made a statement about "carribeans accounting for the largest percentage of foreign born soldiers" show me the data. your Bajan FIL and Colin Powell speaks to what? droves of black immigrants in the army? I doubt it. and yes it doesn't matter.

Youre not ADOS, you don't have the claim.

>Cause it sounds like you are saying this is all about payback
>for slavery, not redressing systematic wrongs caused by
>racism. Is that right?

That's right. it's all about American slavery. any systematic redress that happens ADOS is entitled to it FIRST. did black immigrants get caught in the crossfire of American racism? sure. but their claim is still with their home country.



It's interesting that you're focusing on Caribbeans
as if they don't have whole ass countries that were built on slavery....
why not advocate for them to hold their government's accountable?

affirmative action is on its last breath because of black immigrants.
a program specifically designated for descendants of American slavery. why are we constantly giving others our resources? where are theirs???

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to be above them? Man if that aint some trickle-down trump-ism.



>>Just a follow-up question. So you great grand parent or
>>grandparent is of Carribean descent, and you are the victim
>of
>>redlining in Chicago, then you don't get any sort of
>redress?
>>Is that your thing?
>
>
>redlining redress affects a lot more than ADOS obviously. but
>ADOS need to have something that addresses their specific
>housing concerns.
>because after all, we built the country. if a Jamaican
>descendant wants access to decent housing I wont stand in
>their way.
>
>
>
>>
>>So I get the reparations, parents get it, but my children
>get
>>nothing? Why wouldn't they get 50%?
>
>sure children of a ADOS/other union can get
>it.
>my wife is carribean. my baby is ADOS/carribean.



Negro you just said in Post #87 that you have to be 100% DAOCS to receive the benefits. Now you are saying children of ADOS and Carribeans should receive benefits? Which one is it? You all over the place.





>
>
>>Dude there was a whole black puerto rican regime in WWII.
>>
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Ricans_in_World_War_II
>>
>>Yeah there some white looking puerto ricans but there are
>alot
>>more black Puerto ricans.
>>
>>Harlem was a quarter Jamaican by the 1920s. The US led
>>Caribbean Defense Command was a "major" outpost of WWII. The
>>Caribbean has always accounted for the largest percentage of
>>the foreign born serving in the US Military. My father in
>law
>>is Bajan and served in the US Airforce during Vietnam. Get
>>Colin Powell to speak on it.
>>
>>But is your position that there were no Black People of
>>Non-DAOCS descent who served in WWII or victims of redlining
>>OR that if there are it doesn't matter, they shouldn't get
>>redress from that because they aren't DAOCs?
>
>Youre not ADOS, you don't have the claim.
>
>and I would push back against your Puerto Ricans in WWII wiki
>post. I said black immigrants. you know damn well Puerto
>Ricans are not what we're talking about of when we talk about
>black immigration from the Caribbean. You made a statement
>about "carribeans accounting for the largest percentage of
>foreign born soldiers" show me the data.


Foreign-born military personnel from Latin America and the Caribbean constituted 38.7 percent (23,926) of all the foreign born in the armed forces while 35.9 percent (22,226) were from Asia.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigrants-us-armed-forces#8


13% of all Foreign Born Veterans Identify as Black. For example, there are 17,000 Hatian Veterans in the Country.


https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigrant-veterans-united-states





That's 20 minutes of searching. If you want exact WWII numbers that will take some digging to get numbers. But it's out there if you care to look. But it's pointless because of your point below that it doesn't matter.

your Bajan FIL and
>Colin Powell speaks to what? droves of black immigrants in the
>army? I doubt it.

I bring them up as examples from a long history.






and yes it doesn't matter.

So yeah no use spending the time looking up the number of Black Immigrants in WWII if you say it doesn't matter.


>
>Youre not ADOS, you don't have the claim.
>
>>Cause it sounds like you are saying this is all about
>payback
>>for slavery, not redressing systematic wrongs caused by
>>racism. Is that right?
>
>That's right. it's all about American slavery. any systematic
>redress that happens ADOS is entitled to it FIRST. did black
>immigrants get caught in the crossfire of American racism?
>sure. but their claim is still with their home country.


This is where you lose me again. An Immigrant Black person is harmed by redlining and/or systematic racism while in the US, and you think there claim isn't against the US but their... origin country?



>
>
>
>It's interesting that you're focusing on Caribbeans
>as if they don't have whole ass countries that were built on
>slavery....
>why not advocate for them to hold their government's
>accountable?


The conversation is about the US Government and what and which black people it owes in the US.

Discussing Racism in other countries experienced by black people living in those countries is outside the scope of our conversation.


>
>affirmative action is on its last breath because of black
>immigrants.
>a program specifically designated for descendants of American
>slavery. why are we constantly giving others our resources?
>where are theirs???


Da Hell kind of revisionist history is this? AA is on its last breath because of racist white people suing it out of existance. That's where your energy should be focused. Battling those folks. Instead you are focus on other black people who have benefited from the program?

That's that petty small minded table scrap fighting I am talking about.

If this ain't some Trump America Nationalism playing out within the black community.



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

what does diallo have to do with american slavery and the movement to call for reparations?

yea he got killed cuz he was black

what does that have to do with me and my group?
descendants of american slavery helped usher in legislation
for black immigrants to come here in droves.
all black aint the same

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