As more and more of the dossier starts becoming reality, where is the line in the sand? Lets say every single thing is the dossier comes out as true, then what?

Is there anything that will undo his stain on the presidency?

As everyday passes and new information is presented, people I work with who are pro-cheeto are unfazed by the news (nothing new).

I feel like I'm giving myself ulcers from rage of whats happening. I'm very pessimistic of things actually changing.

I wanted to post this yesterday, but got busy and forgot.

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You keep making grand, sweeping statements...with nothing to back up anything you say other than a twitter feed here and there- oh, and reminding us how big Mueller's brain is.


A Rico case is NOT going to bring down Donald Trump.


If you have S P E C I F I C items you are referring to, by all means- enlighten us.


Donald Trump is not going to jail. He isn't.


The worst consequence he will face (maybe) is not being President anymore- either by stepping down or losing election.


Again, by all means, be specific. Break down your legal knowledge for us.

boy bye

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Cmon man. Educate us. What's stopping you?


And I N E V E R said Whitaker was a chess move. Stop.


I said he was put there for his loyalty, and Sessions was removed because he wouldn't recuse.

You said "he'll recuse or go to jail"


Has either of those happened yet? Didn't think so.


And again, Whitaker doesn't need to shut it down to mess with the investigation.

Even if all he does is give Cheeto the goods on what they have, that's enough to mess with it.



So Whitaker hasn't recused, though you said he would.


But lets move on to this Rico thing- educate us. Break it down- what you got?

How does Trump end up in jail? And I'd like you to also use your expertise to predict when, but I know that would be a bonus.

I'd just like you to break down HOW for us all.

He got that message loud and clear from Mueller to stay out the way and he still might not be safe. He didnt recuse but he aint doing shit either..Just sit back and enjoy. Nixon was 10x smarter than Trump. If hes hit with a RICO case, which is coming. . Him and a few more people are going to prison....

This shit is funny coming from a bunch of niggas who used to be scared to post a bag of weed on the internet. I forgot OKP was the scariest place on the planet.

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>He got that message loud and clear from Mueller to stay out
>the way and he still might not be safe. He didnt recuse

^^ This is true- he did NOT recuse. You said he would recuse. Several times. He didn't.



but
>he aint doing shit either..

Oh word? You got a source? Again, you can't just come in here saying general statements with zero evidence.



Just sit back and enjoy. Nixon was
>10x smarter than Trump.

Are you new? This isn't about how smart Trump is. He has skated by for years. This is about being white, rich, and powerful.

Do you really think "smart" always wins out?



If hes hit with a RICO case, which is
>coming. .

Can you break down what you know about a RICO case that didn't come from TV? Bonus questions: how do you know Trump is getting hit with a RICO case? When do you think that will all go down?

Also, when did a guy like you become such a faithful believer of the FBI? I am curious...


>Him and a few more people are going to prison....

When? When do YOU think Trump will go to prison, so we can all have your prediction in black and white.


>
>This shit is funny coming from a bunch of niggas who used to
>be scared to post a bag of weed on the internet. I forgot OKP
>was the scariest place on the planet.

What the f*ck are you talking about?


This has nothing to do with being scared. This has to do with you making general statements and having nothing to back any of it up.

So cmon tough guy, back your claims up. Support all this toughness you are displaying to us all by breaking it down for us.


Here's what I think- I think you don't pay as close attention as you pretend to, and you figure it will all work out. Which is fine.

But...it crosses over to you THINKING you are somehow smarter (lol) or tougher (lol) than folks who do pay attention and are willing to discuss things logically. Then, to overcompensate, you just call anyone who questions you "scared"


No one is "scared" about Trump not going to prison. A lot of us just don't think he will. We'd love to be wrong. Right now, I would love for you to break down specifically why you think we are wrong, other than screaming "RICO!!!!" and "yall scared!!!"

like i tol you

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/new-york-law/new-york-racketeering-rico-laws.html

a class B felony carries a mandatory prison sentence. Now you can break the law down all you want.

One more time.

Whitaker isnt doing shit like i tol you bcz he doesnt want to go to prison. Recusal was just an option.

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>like i tol you

No. You said Whitaker would recuse. He didn't.


Also, YOU DON'T KNOW HE ISN'T DOING SHIT or THAT HE WILL DO SHIT.

>
>https://statelaws.findlaw.com/new-york-law/new-york-racketeering-rico-laws.html
>
>a class B felony carries a mandatory prison sentence. Now you
>can break the law down all you want.

Cmon dog, I didn't ask for a link. I doubt your intelligence more each day, but even I figured you could google.

I'm asking you to break down how exactly Trump is caught up in a RICO case, as you so confidently claim.

You clearly have the time to break it down. So break it down.


>
>One more time.
>
>Whitaker isnt doing shit like i tol you bcz he doesnt want to
>go to prison. Recusal was just an option.

No, you said he would recuse. He didn't.


Now you claim "he ain't doin shit"...but you have ZERO proof of that statement.


Your dumbass thought Whitaker would recuse, even though Sessions was FIRED FOR RECUSING.

Like i told you in that other post..nobody can lay down exactly when Trump is going to jail but hes going. theres a whole lot more to come out...Dude has been a criminal in NY for over 40yrs and skated. He prolly wouldve gotten away with it if he wouldnt have gotten elected and won and kept his mouth shut... Now the FBI is on his ass...not just the FBI...Robert Mueller, the top dawg. So you can throw up all the "give me some facts" or whatever...sounding like a fool..Talm bout I need to know what you know now typa shit....I know whats in the news. Same access you have. If you cant put together that hes going down. Then I cant help you. Nobody talked down to you personally..You trying to come in here and save other niggas with a white cape on..Brew and I are good.....Fuck off my line nigga. If you cant put things together by the facts that are out there i dont know bruh.. Dude isnt getting away with this shit... Whitaker is shutting the fk up like i tol you..He seems to be smarter than you. All you got is..White men never go to jail for corporate white collar crimes.. Well this isnt no regular white collar crime. And Trump isnt even smart enough to be your avg white man. Hes going to prison. Enjoy the ride.. Its what you want

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I'm looking at the letter of the law...

and it dont even have to be RICO...it could be tax evasion , money laundering, Trumps been a criminal for 40 years....You must think its stopping with the last couple years... Wrong..

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I don't KNOW...but based on AMERIKKKA I doubt he is going to prison.

I would GUESS/THINK/BET that he isn't going to prison cuz...Amerikkka.

I look at the history of the country, and the Trumps, and say "yeah, he's not going to prison" because I see no evidence to say otherwise.


You, on the other hand, keep claiming "he's going to prison" as if it is established fact...


And you have NO SUPPORT to back it up, other than faith in the FBI + Trump is stupid.

Trump BEEN stupid, and the FBI BEEN the FBI.


He is white, rich, and powerful.

Not everyone who breaks the law goes to jail, cmon dog. Stop it.

The people at the top never go to jail.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

To the point of laughing at us for having a different opinion than them. As if it is completely illogical, there have been 37 (maybe more) indictments so far, including his campaign manager and his national security advisor. Yesterday, the FBI raided the offices of the people who did his taxes for 12 years. Yesterday, a bank that loaned him well over 300 million dollars was raided. Yesterday, his personal attorney of 20 years, who is cooperating, who apparently has recorded thousands of phone conversations, pleaded guilty to a brand new charge. The head of the His foundation, which is being investigated by the state of NY, is also cooperating. But yeah, it’s TOTALLY NUTS for you to think he might be in some sort of legal trouble. His son is about to be indicted too, and there’s a lot more, but yeah you’re a TOTAL IDIOT for thinking all of this might lead to Trump being in any legal trouble.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

white collar corporate on corporate bs that you can just weasel out of. Trump isnt smart enough for that. he wasnt even smart.enuff to name a clean replacement lackey AG. Mueller saw that shit a mile away. These fools obviously dont know who the fk they are dealing with. Whitaker was either recusing,,shutting the fk up or going to jail. Cohen has been by Trumps side for over 10 years and he aint trying to spend much time in prison. He standing at the big board like Frank Lucas pointing them to everything.

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c’mon fam.. listen to yourself.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

You have information, you can discuss things, and you aren't a condescending asshole. You can discuss things logically.

I HOPE you guys are right.

Even if I don't think you are right, I'm not laughing at you, personally.


I'm laughing at the part-time attorney who is so confident of things, but can't engage in a conversation about it without calling people "Scared"...can't back anything up...took till today to google RICO...and has already been dead wrong about shit....etc.

Just as long as you know I’m not basing this all on hopes or dreams. The investigation has been fruitful so far, and there is more to come. This is based off of what is known publicly, and I’m sure Mueller knows a lot more. The walls are closing in on Trump, and if his behavior is any indication, he can feel it.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

what do you think people should do if all this comes out and yet he won't face any consequences.

�If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

As bad as things have been, im thankful that we have checks and balances in our government. The checks and balances have been tested, but things could have gotten even worse had we not had them. Trump sold American policy to a hostile foreign power for personal gain. I don’t think he is going to get away with that. I am also thankful that Trump is stupid, because of he were more intelligent we would be in even more trouble. As scared as Trump is of Mueller, I think he is more scared of Putin because Putin doesn’t have to play by any rules. If it came to what you are saying, I think you would see recordings/videos released of Trump doing very bad things. Of course I don’t know but I have a feeling they exist. I doubt Trump actually wanted to become president, I think he just wanted to promote his brand and I think he was just as shocked as the rest of us when he won. I think the Russians were surprised as well, my guess is they were thinking more along the lines of hurting Hillary’s presidency and generally causing chaos. Trump has been in debt to shady Russians for many years now, and the truth will be exposed one way or another.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

and he was insulting and condescending about in

We’ve seen this before.

I think a bunch of people below trump will do time or cop deals but Trump himself won’t go to jail. These folks at the top NEVER go to jail.

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But im almost 100% sure dude is going to prison... Im not underestimating Robert Mueller. you are

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I have no doubt Mueller is doing a good job but i seriously doubt it ends with Trump in handcuffs.

Given how things have played out thus far I think it’s laughable to be this confident given the country we live in

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his presidential crimes..which are massive crimes in themselves...dude doesnt even listen to his legal counsel. youre acting like he does. if he was one that listened to his counsel, I wouldnt be so sure of it. But hes a narcissist and hes going to end up in prison

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aren't enough votes in the senate, just to get it all out on the record and force his team to answer to it all in his impeachment trial.

And if it really is that bad, and G_d forbid another crash/hard recession hits between now and 11/20, Bernie/Kamala/Hillary/Desus/Mero whoever beats him.

Then, he catches hell from the SDNY, maybe, maaaaaaybe, MAAAYBEEEEE gets convicted of something, or sees his kids convicted. But he'll be out of office by that point and whatever happens to him then will just satisfy people's desire for blood, not affect anything having to do with the government.

i think he will go to prison, and I think there will be asset forfeiture.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

and how do we get there... lol.

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There are dozens of us! Dozens!

Even in disgrace, he'll still be around, tweeting at his followers to take up arms and against President Warren or whoever.

Nixon got to spend the rest of his life rich and giving big money speeches in front of whatever group would have him. The difference was he at least had the self-awareness to know that the legacy he was seeking as one of the greatest presidents to ever live was dead and he would forever be defined by Watergate. So at least he was in a sort of personal hell. Trump's not nearly that self-aware, he'll probably still go around calling himself President when he speaks in front of the Proud Boy convention or whatever.

We'll never be rid of this.

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I unfortunately don't see it going any other way.

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He'd be rich and surrounded by people who spend every second telling him he's the single greatest human being to ever walk the Earth. He'd have his chud ass army of roughly 35% of the electorate ready to kill for him.

He'll probably give himself some dumbass title that the media will run with like "King President" and people will laugh at first but then we'll see segments on cable news where people debate if he really has the authority as a disgraced ex-President to call himself King President.

He'll still die on the toilet, but at least he'll have made the rest of the country even more miserable than he was, so he wins.

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Trump has been involved in sorts of financial shenanigans going back DECADES

not that that gurantees anything but this is still different than Tricky Dick.

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Why should this be any different? Even if directly indicted, he won't do jail time. And on the off chance he did, he'd still have sycophants who won't let us forget about him.

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he torpedo'd peace talks with the NVA on the eve of election night by telling them he'd give them more favorable terms if they postponed the talks until after election


he used the same group of guys that broke into water gate to break into other facilities(namely the rand group and one other) to steal a report that detailed all of the stupid/horrible shit the previous administrations had done in vietnam as well as his own administration


there were a few other questionable to down right illegal things he did

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He's got too much power and money to just go to jail. He'll compromise his money or power (most likely his power) if there's a credible threat to his freedom. He'd quit and say he got so much done in his 2+ years that he didn't need to finish his term.

The most likely case is that he's saddled with so much controversy that it's even harder for him to recruit for the next campaign. Then again, he WON with this cast of B-level villains so nobody should take him for granted.

He's everything so much of America aspires to be that he's still dangerous as a candidate even with all of the controversy.

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i was prolly one of them most of last year and maybe even early this year lol.

i just dont see anything in the last 2 years that they/we can hang concrete optimism on.

i mean...the only thing left to rely on is some televangelical congregation degree of blind faith in the church of mueller.

theres like a grand total of 1 cable news panelist still on that 'this is the beginning of the end of the trump presidency'.

even bombshell/boom resistance twitter stopped putting up trump term length/outcome polls lol.

giving Amerikkka too much credit.


He is a rich white man, who other rich white men need in order to keep their power.

Simple as that.

Add in the fact that he has become a hero to the worst, most un-informed citizens, AND has essentially taken over a major political party?

Nah

folks can be jerking off to RICO episodes of Law and Order all they want, but Trump won't go to prison.

Impeached? Maybe. That depends how much comes out, and the spine of Democrats.


But, I think the likely scenario is he simply doesn't win re-election OR he just decides not to run, claiming he did more in 4 years than any human being has ever done anywhere for anything.

Nixon didn't go to prison. The Bush administration wasn't even investigated.



Its kind of crazy dudes in here are so confident that the bad guys will lose, and the good guys will win.

Its even crazier to think that the "good guys" in this case, are the FBI, who the left hated/distrusted up until 18 months ago.

We probably wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for the FBI


Suddenly dudes in here are wearing FBI hats and have become legal scholars and shit.


Obviously some people are going down. But people need to temper their expectations.

Trump ain't going to prison. Neither is Kushy, or Trump JR.


Rich white men stick together.

mueller will prolly lay out all the facts, gop wont care, dems wont know how to use it to max advantage, and SCOTUS is stacked in his favor

unless the peepee tape, n word audio tape, and video from the rape victims all surface on the same day mueller issues the final report, i think gop will keep him around

oh and the market would have to crash 10% that same day


only then would the gop take any kinda action

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>unless the peepee tape, n word audio tape, and video from the
>rape victims all surface on the same day mueller issues the
>final report, i think gop will keep him around

?? You think his supporters or the GOP give a sh!t about any of that?

Hell if the n-word tape comes out, his popularity numbers probably go up among his base.

I'm not even kidding.


>
>oh and the market would have to crash 10% that same day
>
>
>only then would the gop take any kinda action

An economic crash is the only thing I can see forcing the GOPs hand, but even then...

2020 is the only hope.

majority of them are not getting anything special on the trump wave

if the walls close in enough, and pence is relatively 'clean', they can slide him in and keep their same basic agenda


but 'walls closing in' would have to be all the stars aligned that i mentioned in the other post

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you see how easily he ended the political career of repub candidates in fl, sc, ks, etc by endorsing their primary opponents.

he pretty much ended jeff flake and bob corker and they were popular safe seat incumbents in their states before the trump spats.

the repub senate just increased its majority with candidates that ran closely aligned to trump. so a trumpy senate got even trumpier in terms of quality *and* quantity.

alot of their entire political futures depend on their allegiance to trump.

for the time being...repubs in congress aint moving on/away from trump in any meaningful way aside from some purely procedural/inconsequential resolution votes.

theyre riding with him til the hairplugs fall off.

Crazy shit is that that's a real possibility still.

But yeah, if he manages to do a full 8 years, the American experiment has failed. We ain't coming back from that.

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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

*if* it was with a dem majority in both chambers of congress.

it would essentially be 4 full lame duck years, zero repub legislative agenda, judge appointments curtailed, and a whole lot of investigative headaches for trump/repubs.

it would also mean that the likely upcoming economic downturn would fall squarely within the trump presidency.

im thinking bush 2nd term where dems ate up a good amount of political territory even in deep red states while eventually running up an 80(!) seat majority in the house and a virtual supermajority in the senate. if the next dem president, congress, governors, and state legislators came into power with those type of numbers again then they could effectively stop republicans from ever winning a lot of elections by simply taking an aggressive approach on voting rights, campaign finance, gerrymandering, etc (something the 2019 dem house is already making their 1st legislative priority).

also millenials would then firmly be placed as the largest voting bloc in the following prez election (and they vote heavily dem).

the downside is...if trump pulls off re-election under current conditions then it means things most likely went pretty bad for dems. and repubs likely hold on to the senate too. which means more far right judges and maybe (god forbid) rbg gets replaced on the supreme court.

>RE: If he gets reelected, this nation is in the death throes.
>Crazy shit is that that's a real possibility still.
>
>But yeah, if he manages to do a full 8 years, the American
>experiment has failed. We ain't coming back from that.

I keep saying this but I really thought that GWB would be the end of the Republican party as we knew it. He was such an out and out disaster that I assumed the voting public would never even *approach* that type of candidate ever again.

Then Obama was elected and it was like, damn, we got a BLACK PRESIDENT. Bush was so bad that racist ass USA put a black dude in office. Which only served to further affirm my belief that we'd really made a significant breakthrough.

Even when Obama was getting hell from Congress and Repugs everywhere, I just figured it was a final, desperate attempt to retain relevancy from those few (however loud they seemed to be) who remained on the right.

Guess I underestimated just how truly, terribly, reprehensibly, hopelessly racist this country really is. And I definitely underestimated just how hard these pieces of shit are willing to work to make sure it continues to be so.

So yea you are not lying. If he gets a full 8 years we are doomed on about a million levels.

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watergate, iran contra, gw bush, trump...all situations that should have done long term damage or even ended the party. but these niggas just saddle up and get back to it.

i mean...after the gw bush failure and a 2008 election route with a massive mandate that should have bought obama/dems like 4-6 years of governing dominance nationwide...repubs went on to win one of the biggest midterm election landslides in history just 2 years later.

only 1 repub president (reagan) in the last 50 years didnt eventually become a toxic party pariah by the end of their run. yet these niggas keep voting in the next eventual pariah like clockwork.

republicans *just* elected 2 house members under criminal indictment. where one dude threw his wife under the bus and blamed her for illegal campaign spending...that included paying for hotel stays with his mistress*ES*. and where the other dude was literally caught on video from the *white house lawn* carrying out an inside trading scheme on his cell phone. and repubs said 'yeah thats who i want to represent me in government'. and these werent in bright red uneducated backwood states. these were upscale districts in cali and ny.

and once they get convicted...repubs will just vote in carbon copies.

as long as you have an r next to your name...theyre gonna keep voting for you.

forever. forever and ever. and ever and ever. (c) krs one

>watergate, iran contra, gw bush, trump...all situations that
>should have done long term damage or even ended the party.
>but these niggas just saddle up and get back to it.
>
>i mean...after the gw bush failure and a 2008 election route
>with a massive mandate that should have bought obama/dems like
>4-6 years of governing dominance nationwide...repubs went on
>to win one of the biggest midterm election landslides in
>history just 2 years later.
>
>only 1 repub president (reagan) in the last 50 years didnt
>eventually become a toxic party pariah by the end of their
>run. yet these niggas keep voting in the next eventual pariah
>like clockwork.
>
>republicans *just* elected 2 house members under criminal
>indictment. where one dude threw his wife under the bus and
>blamed her for illegal campaign spending...that included
>paying for hotel stays with his mistress*ES*. and where the
>other dude was literally caught on video from the *white house
>lawn* carrying out an inside trading scheme on his cell phone.
> and repubs said 'yeah thats who i want to represent me in
>government'. and these werent in bright red uneducated
>backwood states. these were upscale districts in cali and
>ny.
>
>and once they get convicted...repubs will just vote in carbon
>copies.
>
>as long as you have an r next to your name...theyre gonna keep
>voting for you.
>
>forever. forever and ever. and ever and ever. (c) krs one
>
>

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probably will have a heart attack in a few years.




oh you mean for the crimes?


nah.

>probably will have a heart attack in a few years.
>
>
>
>
>oh you mean for the crimes?
>
>
>nah.

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Impeachment won't happen. And it's really almost as silly to think that an indictment would happen after he leaves office. I get as breathless and excited as anyone about the Mueller investigation. But really the most that's gonna come of it is that Trump gets embarrassed in certain circles where everyone already hated him anyway. That, and I guess the Mueller probe might help document some things for posterity.

But it's very possible (though not certain) that Trump loses reelection, and possibly badly. And really, for a guy like him, that's a better comeuppance than any indictment. If he was thrown in jail, he'd just continue to play the victim and enjoy watching Sean Hannity on TV every day pretending he (Trump) is a thousand times more important than he actually ever was.

I'd much rather have it simply become clear, in no uncertain terms, that about half the country despises the guy, about a quarter of the country is disillusioned and won't fall for his shit anymore, and the other quarter are obvious dimwits who will never have an impact on anything.

The future I look forward to: he badly loses reelection, he has to come up with an excuse for why he'll step down even though he doesn't believe the results. His "business" (such as it is) goes straight down the toilet, because nobody wants to lease his name on a condo building anymore (much less ties and dress shirts), and the state AG's are on him so hard that nobody wants to engage in the same shady schemes that kept the company afloat before, the kids can't get the stench off them, so their business enterprises (such as they are) go downhill too. Obviously Trump will never get a mainstream TV show again. He'll fade away doing a Glenn-Beck-style conspiracy theory show on Fox News, hocking gold coins to the few idiots who still admit to ever having voted for him.

All I ask is that he's completely destroyed, embarrassed, and eventually forgotten. And I think it's possible.

I still don't think we're that far from a Presidential heart attack.

Shoulda known.

I sincerely hope he doesn't get that kind of play after death... It's too late to hope for obscurity but let's pray against immortal lionization

history wont be kind to Trump

at least criminal law.

i mean...you pretty much have to run a criminal organization to be president (war, civil liberty violations, espionage, etc). centuries of legal precedent have upheld, cemented, and even expanded the range of criminal immunity. things that were once illegal can easily be made to be legal (campaign finance (bribes), civil asset possession, voter suppression, etc).

rich people pay a lot of money to get these judges elected/appointed/nominated/confirmed...including buying their political allies that handle the election/appointment/nomination/confirmation.

just 2 years ago the repub 'moderate' majority supreme court severely narrowed the definition of political corruption/bribery (mcdonnell v.) and upended even past/existing criminal cases/convictions around the country.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/nyregion/menendez-seabrook-corruption-cases-crumbling-.html

and this supreme court is even further right than the last (aka more business/billionaire/corruption-friendly). and the president is the one with the power to handpick those seats. basically choosing his own referees.

so we basically set up the office to face political consequences for its actions...but rarely criminal consequences. and since we have a large portion of our electorate increasingly okay with criminality/corruption...well...so much for political consequences. and that emboldens other politicians to not hold their intra-party counterparts accountable too (like this repub congress).

trump could ultimately pardon anyone he wants (possibly even himself). and even if the supreme court ultimately rules that trump cant pardon himself...he could just resign and pence could pardon him while still in office. under normal/past circumstances that would be politically perilous for pence (like ford). but today the repub base (and fox news) will pretty much demand it.

and for those yelling 'well state crimes'...the supreme court is set to possibly decimate double jeopardy 'separate sovereignty' of states in this current term. so theres no guarantees there either.

even the loopholes got loopholes when you are rich/powerful in this country.

>so we basically set up the office to face political
>consequences for its actions...but rarely criminal
>consequences. and since we have a large portion of our
>electorate increasingly okay with
>criminality/corruption...well...so much for political
>consequences. and that emboldens other politicians to not
>hold their intra-party counterparts accountable too (like this
>repub congress).
>
>trump could ultimately pardon anyone he wants (possibly even
>himself). and even if the supreme court ultimately rules that
>trump cant pardon himself...he could just resign and pence
>could pardon him while still in office. under normal/past
>circumstances that would be politically perilous for pence
>(like ford). but today the repub base (and fox news) will
>pretty much demand it.

While I still hold out some hope that all this amounts to ... *something* significant from a legal standpoint, I'm trying to be realistic at the same time based on historical precedent (rich, white people get away w/everything) as well as the current electoral climate (who as you said, are increasingly fine w/criminality & corruption).

So someone earlier was telling me how convinced they are that Trump will be forced to step down like Nixon was at the very least, if not led out of the WH in cuffs; due to public & congressional pressure, etc. I was like, my man I wish I could share in your optimism but have you spoken to any so-called "centrists" or "moderates" lately ? ALL of em are perpetually moving goalposts for this president. There's no *way* the pressure will be intense enough to force his/their hand(s). May have even been in that other thread I don't remember lol.

It's inexplicable and fucked up but that's the reality we're living in.

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He will be pardoned immediately.

No way any Republican president is going to let another Republican president go to jail.

Now, if Pence goes at exactly the same time (impossible I think) then Pelosi (who I assume will be leader of the house) would let it stand.

Actually, even IF Trump is charged I'll bet 10000000% he will self pardon and there will be a real constitutional crisis that will be decided in his favor by the REPUBLICANS on the supreme court.

You think white liberals are crazy???

Just remember this - you can never ever ever ever NEVER ever trust any person who is a Republican right now - not even in the distant distant future.

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When does a criminal trial for 45 take place? (if one happens at all)

(various scenarios)

1. 45 resigns before first term is up. Pence becomes president, pardons 45 for any and all crimes. 45 now has to testify. 45 commits perjury which opens new can of worms.

2. 45 completes first term, seeks re-election and is defeated in primary. Whoever defeats him in primary goes on to win presidential election and pardons 45 for any and all crimes. (similar to #1 above)

3. 45 completes first term, seeks re-election and wins. DOJ regs says cant indict sitting president? (someone please correct me if i'm wrong.) Trial for criminal charges cant happen until second term is over at this point 2025. (possible 45 could self pardon during first or second term. which again new can of worms.)

4. 45 completes first term, seeks re-election and is defeated by dems.

^if 45 doesn't self pardon before first term is up, then indictment in 2021. 45 and his lawyers go through discovery, issue delays and continuances. by this point (i assume) the earliest any trial for 45 would happen is 2022. Will 45 still be around in 2022 (he will be 76 years old then)?



There are more possible scenarios that i haven't thought of i'm sure, so please add on or correct me where i'm wrong.

His past court cases show he'll liberally invoke the 5th.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/420510-conservative-columnist-predicts-trump-will-resign-10-minutes-before-pence-so

Washington Post columnist predicts Trump will resign 10 minutes before Pence so Pence can pardon him
BY AVERY ANAPOL - 12/10/18 07:51 AM EST

Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin is predicting that President Trump will make a last-ditch effort to avoid indictment as he leaves office.

Speaking on MSNBC’s "AM Joy" on Sunday, the frequent Trump critic said that she thinks the president will resign minutes before the end of his term.

“He risks being prosecuted after he leaves office,” she said. “I would predict here on MSNBC that when Trump leaves office he will resign the presidency 10 minutes before Mike Pence leaves office, allowing Pence to pardon him if there is not a Republican president to follow him.”

Her comments came after a number of politicians and analysts predicted that Trump could be indicted after he leaves office, following a new court filing in which prosecutors indicated that Trump directed his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, to make illegal payments during the campaign.

"There’s a very real prospect that on the day Donald Trump leaves office, the Justice Department may indict him,” said House Intelligence Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.). “That he may be the first president in quite some time to face the real prospect of jail time.”

The many controversies surrounding Trump’s campaign have ignited debate over whether a sitting president can be indicted. Trump’s lawyers have claimed that a sitting president cannot be indicted, though legal scholars have pushed back on that claim.

concrete, whatsoever. It's First Take/Skip & Shannon-style guessing and pulling things out of nowhere. We still have to see exactly what is presented openly with Mueller's investigation, plus how the economy shakes out between now and at least the summer of 2020. Short of a Facebook Live of Trump pulling a Jerry Sandusky (pee tape would not be enough), the only thing that will rattle the Republican senators is another hard recession/crash.

I'm starting to think the Democrats in the House won't be able to resist the urge to impeach. It would be an official release for the last two years of anger and frustration, making it almost unavoidable, even knowing they don't have anywhere near the votes in the senate right now. The Republicans gave in to the same exact temptation with Clinton.

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video a gun in his smock, so there's that.

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HIS PEERS think he deserves.

I doubt it will be enough to satisfy any of US though.

#45 is really testing the limits of white male power, and in doing so is shining a light on the often overlooked dichotomy of 'ethical vs. legal'

I wouldn't give a lot of credence to white males in power 'doing the right thing'; they think this shit is tolerable. "we" have to agree as a society that his antics are intolerable, and one side is/has been clearly shouting louder than the other.

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at least hopeful that his presidency will not be longer than 4 years.

Though 4 years will seem like 2 lifetimes.

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i think this shutdown and cave is a bigger problem for his re-election.