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Kira
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"Midterm elections...."


  

          

What's your voting strategy?
Who did you vote for?
Why did you vote for them?
What were the propositions on the ballot in your area?

Oh yeah go show Bin some love, those of you able to vote for him, and provide him a vote so he can serve his community on the political side impacting meaningful change.

How many seats are the Democrats going to gain?

Stay safe out there because people are crazy.

  

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I voted D because the GOP is some hoe ass niggas in NC
Nov 06th 2018
1
Colorado is voting to repeal slavery for criminals.
Nov 06th 2018
2
They tried combining 3 unrelated subjects into 1 constitutional amendmen...
Nov 06th 2018
3
      Do all of these need 60% to pass then?
Nov 06th 2018
6
           Yep. That'll put them in the state constitution. n/m
Nov 06th 2018
7
Straight D
Nov 06th 2018
4
Voted early on Saturday
Nov 06th 2018
5
RE: Midterm elections....
Nov 06th 2018
8
Voted early a couple weeks ago.
Nov 06th 2018
9
First blood goes in favor for the Dems in Guam
Nov 06th 2018
10
here in Arizona....
Nov 06th 2018
11
My internet is all jacked. CNN Go isn’t working. They hacking
Nov 06th 2018
12
538 started the day with 85% chance of Dem house win. Now 50%
Nov 06th 2018
13
Lmao. Why does anyone pay attention to those sites
Nov 06th 2018
15
It's watching sports
Nov 06th 2018
20
538 has been really accurate.
Nov 06th 2018
21
Nate tweeted that their estimator was being too volatile.
Nov 06th 2018
23
NBC has a 80 percent chance the Dems will win the House
Nov 06th 2018
27
RE: Midterm elections....
Nov 06th 2018
14
Donna Brazile looks stunning...
Nov 06th 2018
16
Feels like Dems are gonna get mollywopped in the Senate
Nov 06th 2018
17
Florida is looking real bad. Senate and Governor.
Nov 06th 2018
24
Voted for Jealous, but voted Green for everything else I could
Nov 06th 2018
18
Amendment 4 PASSES in Florida
Nov 06th 2018
19
Best thing that will happen tonight
Nov 06th 2018
31
I don't see how Amendment 4 passes and Gillum still lost
Nov 07th 2018
78
      racism is weird.
Nov 07th 2018
205
I've decided to stay
Nov 06th 2018
22
I’m going to bed...
Nov 06th 2018
26
      I have this weird thing about bearing witness
Nov 06th 2018
28
           lol. my man (c)
Nov 06th 2018
29
This Beto thing is fucking with me
Nov 06th 2018
25
Doesn’t look likely with the counties left to report
Nov 06th 2018
30
      Yeah, he's done
Nov 06th 2018
32
      2020 Senate vs. Cornyn?
Nov 06th 2018
34
      Honestly he should go after Cornyn’s seat in 2020
Nov 06th 2018
35
      hmm Dan Patrick and Paxton are in tighter than expected races
Nov 06th 2018
33
Seriously Florida, WTF
Nov 06th 2018
36
I'm thinking FL is extra susceptible to a 'hidden Trump' vote.
Nov 06th 2018
37
one lowkey aspect to that race
Nov 06th 2018
39
CULBERSON GONE *AIR HORN* (TX D7)
Nov 06th 2018
38
MAN I KNOW THEM SIGNS!
Nov 06th 2018
42
we live in a country populated by shitty people.
Nov 06th 2018
40
yep, lots and lots of 'em
Nov 07th 2018
79
Yes.
Nov 07th 2018
156
Highly believe dems will rock with 235+ in the house.
Nov 06th 2018
41
why does pelosi need to be removed iyo?
Nov 06th 2018
43
      She is def better than Scumer
Nov 07th 2018
61
      big picture stuff...and acting like all is normal
Nov 07th 2018
118
           fair points all around.
Nov 07th 2018
127
           RE: fair points all around.
Nov 07th 2018
142
           We can't just concede the whole "she's unpopular" thing.
Nov 07th 2018
141
                Can't ignore it either, though
Nov 07th 2018
144
                     But again, the problem isn't the leaders.
Nov 07th 2018
148
AWW YEAH!!! Letitia James won NY Atty General.
Nov 06th 2018
44
the coverage will be all about the blue wave failing and trump winning.
Nov 06th 2018
45
btw trump is about to ACT OUT now.
Nov 06th 2018
46
killing the mueller probe? not a chance. too much snitching goin on
Nov 07th 2018
50
killing mueller probe & information leaking are not mutually exclusive.
Nov 07th 2018
51
      im not talking about information leaking
Nov 07th 2018
52
           fam snitching doesnt matter if the mueller probe is killed.
Nov 07th 2018
58
Sessions, Rosenstein, and the entire Mueller team...
Nov 07th 2018
145
Oh please oh please get Steve King out of there
Nov 06th 2018
47
I’m hopeful but...it’s fucking Santa Clarita/Palmdale/Simi/etc
Nov 07th 2018
48
people still voting green party in competitive elections smh.
Nov 07th 2018
49
It's frustrating because you know those votes only hurt Dems
Nov 07th 2018
80
we could end up with a dem prez and a repub senate after 2020.
Nov 07th 2018
53
Nevada Republicans elect dead pimp to State Assembly (swipe)
Nov 07th 2018
54
hilarious
Nov 07th 2018
85
Florida, hold my beer
Nov 07th 2018
114
Dems had some good victories but the main lesson from tonight
Nov 07th 2018
55
dems have a *huge* problem on their hands.
Nov 07th 2018
56
I personally think the writing is on the wall
Nov 07th 2018
57
      white nationalist police state is an accurate description.
Nov 07th 2018
59
the only reason that matters in American politics IMO
Nov 07th 2018
82
      If the New Black Panthers were everything Fox News wanted them to be
Nov 07th 2018
89
dems won house popular vote by wave margin.
Nov 07th 2018
60
Pelosi gets so much more hate than Schumer
Nov 07th 2018
63
      remember how trump and his supporters were bitching
Nov 07th 2018
65
      I would be fine with a younger Speaker
Nov 07th 2018
70
      I wonder why??
Nov 08th 2018
220
Georgia....really??? Why is it this close??
Nov 07th 2018
62
Scott Walker losing has me happy
Nov 07th 2018
64
ellison had me scared.
Nov 07th 2018
66
      He ran well behind the other statewide Dems
Nov 07th 2018
67
           yeah he was def saved by an extreme opponent.
Nov 07th 2018
69
'progressives' are really annoying.
Nov 07th 2018
68
completely backwards
Nov 07th 2018
72
it's true about Donnelly
Nov 07th 2018
77
you think donnelly was too moderate in a state trump won by 20 points?
Nov 07th 2018
81
      Beto kind of proved you don't have to basically repeat GOP talking point...
Nov 07th 2018
84
           Yeah, I'm not sure if a more progressive candidate would've won
Nov 07th 2018
95
           it looks like tester might eek out a victory
Nov 07th 2018
105
                Manchin seems bulletproof
Nov 07th 2018
116
           beto didnt run in a state thats almost 90% white
Nov 07th 2018
102
           this I agree with
Nov 07th 2018
111
                you gotta fit the electorate.
Nov 07th 2018
119
           I'm usually in the "be more progressive camp" but...
Nov 07th 2018
112
                Florida and GA should have you fucked up over Jim Crow
Nov 07th 2018
149
you see pundits arguing both ways
Nov 07th 2018
103
      btw bernie candidates got their asses kicked across the country
Nov 07th 2018
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           i get your point
Nov 08th 2018
225
Why did so many black women (18%) vote for DeSantis?
Nov 07th 2018
71
Both of those numbers seem waaaay too high
Nov 07th 2018
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exit polls arent exact science. but florida *always* seems dirty/funny.
Nov 07th 2018
75
They didn’t get ballots in the mail, so some voters flew to FL to vote...
Nov 07th 2018
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      whooole lotta bullshit. suppression by a thousand cuts.
Nov 07th 2018
108
That can't be right...
Nov 07th 2018
76
      More research is needed, but my guess is the latino vote(again)
Nov 07th 2018
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           RE: More research is needed, but my guess is the latino vote(again)
Nov 07th 2018
86
the wrap up
Nov 07th 2018
74
don't forget to LOL at Dave Brat's teaparty ass losing here in central V...
Nov 07th 2018
88
Damn, Eric Cantor was THISCLOSE to being Speaker
Nov 07th 2018
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      died laughing at the Virginia flips -- Poo Poo Snake State caught 2 Ls
Nov 07th 2018
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      haha, who is the Poo Poo Snake?
Nov 07th 2018
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           reference to how VA has that Gadsden Flag vanity plate
Nov 07th 2018
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                ah, gotcha
Nov 07th 2018
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      yeah i was glad i was able to vote for that seat.
Nov 07th 2018
100
           Cantor's loss = sparks of pre-trump trumpism
Nov 07th 2018
131
                yeah pretty much, the teaparty used to be a smaller portion of the GOP
Nov 07th 2018
132
And McCaskilll got whooped
Nov 07th 2018
91
effin' around playing the 'I'm just like them' game
Nov 07th 2018
93
LOL, Franken dead-enders are so weird
Nov 07th 2018
94
Good! (and not good) I never liked her
Nov 07th 2018
125
      she turned off a lot of black voters.
Nov 07th 2018
146
im disappointed
Nov 07th 2018
109
What's up with Latino voters.
Nov 07th 2018
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Black people seem to be the only racial group that perceive
Nov 07th 2018
101
and mostly women. it's about 12-15% of dudes who drink that pee pee
Nov 07th 2018
110
We were talking about it a little bit further up the page.
Nov 07th 2018
104
its such a big category
Nov 07th 2018
107
lots of latinos see themselves as white
Nov 07th 2018
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THIS THIS SO MUCH THIS
Nov 07th 2018
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Fuck Them all
Nov 07th 2018
201
this is the reality. whiteness is 'spreading'.
Nov 07th 2018
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eventually some black people will be white
Nov 07th 2018
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      repubs are making a direct political play for asians
Nov 07th 2018
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           and they'll get em
Nov 07th 2018
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           no doubt.
Nov 07th 2018
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           Asians are also very much not a monolith
Nov 07th 2018
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Well that's why I brought up the young Mexican girl.
Nov 07th 2018
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      some people are just ignorant
Nov 07th 2018
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Dems have to stop assuming it's all about immigration for them
Nov 07th 2018
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what do you make of conservative states expanding liberal programs
Nov 07th 2018
122
I wonder if the Dems have a rural strategy...
Nov 07th 2018
123
If we could somehow run disembodied policy ideas for office
Nov 07th 2018
128
yeah its really just about poisonous partisanship.
Nov 07th 2018
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      Was just talking to someone about this this morning.
Nov 07th 2018
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I completely forgot Romney was going to the Senate
Nov 07th 2018
129
I didn't know Mia Love (R-Utah) got knocked off too. (swipe)
Nov 07th 2018
126
RE: I didn't know Mia Love got knocked off too.
Nov 07th 2018
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I was confused at first then it hit me. LMAO!
Nov 07th 2018
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      all i can think about is pron whenever i hear/see her name.
Nov 07th 2018
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lol this dude is unreal
Nov 07th 2018
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      it's really all about him. he doesn't care about anything else.
Nov 07th 2018
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      He is super petty. But I think he is somewhat right.
Nov 07th 2018
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           Nah. Hogan in MD don't mess with him.
Nov 07th 2018
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           The northeastern republican governors are outliers. They are true modera...
Nov 07th 2018
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           this is not exactly accurate
Nov 07th 2018
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                lol
Nov 07th 2018
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Tester survives in Montana
Nov 07th 2018
137
I can't wait to see what Adam Schiff does
Nov 07th 2018
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the funniest thing running through my twitter timeline
Nov 07th 2018
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That guy was actually the first person I heard the name Seth Rich from
Nov 07th 2018
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      horseshoe theory in full effect.
Nov 09th 2018
263
Sessions gone
Nov 07th 2018
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here we go.
Nov 07th 2018
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this is bad news re:Mueller but still, l o l at Sessions
Nov 07th 2018
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I think everything is already in motion
Nov 07th 2018
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      You mean for Trump to can the investigation or ...
Nov 07th 2018
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           Mueller had to know this was a possibility...
Nov 07th 2018
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                Yeah, I think Muller is already finished.
Nov 07th 2018
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                Man I hope you guys are right.
Nov 07th 2018
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                mueller has to get stuff like that approved
Nov 07th 2018
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                Sessions's interim replacement has written that Mueller has "gone too fa...
Nov 07th 2018
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                     Does control go to this new guy? Or does it stay with Rosenstein?
Nov 07th 2018
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                     temporarily goes to him but it wont last..
Nov 07th 2018
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                     and bcz he wrote that he really cant oversee shit,,,
Nov 07th 2018
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                     rosenstein is about to be fired in a few minutes (meeting with trump).
Nov 07th 2018
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                     i really cant see a vet like mueller not preparing for this day...
Nov 07th 2018
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                          fam its time to take the blinders off.
Nov 07th 2018
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                               I can't begin to understand people who STILL think
Nov 07th 2018
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                               Mueller can't save us
Nov 07th 2018
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                               hope springs eternal i guess.
Nov 07th 2018
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                               funny that yall niggas think trump is smarter than mueller..
Nov 07th 2018
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                                    what does being smarter than trump have anything to do with it?
Nov 08th 2018
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                                         lmao you really think someone that publically commented on this case
Nov 08th 2018
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                                              HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SAID THAT IN THE LAST 2 YEARS
Nov 08th 2018
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                                              i dont know what you said in the last two years. get the fk outta panic ...
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                   OOOOKKKK tough guy.
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                   Bruh, you still on time out of that wack ass prediction 2 years ago.
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                        LANDSLIDE
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                             Ha well to be fair the majority of thinking humans ...
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                             and? so what? you may have thought he had a chance to win..but
Nov 08th 2018
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                                              Who gon check him?
Nov 08th 2018
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                                              Correct.
Nov 08th 2018
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                                              Honest question...lets say he doesn't and he obstructs justice
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                   Facts.
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                   do folks think he fired Session because he was late to work?
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                        Right lol? Like that's not going to be his first interview question
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                        everyone knows why sessions was fired. are you just now finding out?
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                             You're all over the map tough guy...answer some questions
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                             RE: You're all over the map tough guy...answer some questions
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                             Dog, I'm done. Enjoy your optimism, for real but
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                             WORD.
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                                  BREW!! dont panic dogg...Read this thread below
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                                  Haha I appreciate you, man.
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                                  Just read the thread. Still doesn't really put me at ease.
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                                  these dudes are a walk in the park for mueller..and remember
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                                  Word. I promised myself a while ago I'd stop riding the emotional ...
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                                  homeboy isn't paying attention, man
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                                  i said he will recuse or hes going to jail ...wake up lil fella
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                             nvm
Nov 08th 2018
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                                                   RE: Honest question...lets say he doesn't and he obstructs justice
Nov 08th 2018
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                     Asked to recuse, by whom?
Nov 07th 2018
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                          unless he wants to go to jail for obstruction of justice..he will recuse
Nov 07th 2018
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                               who is going to charge him with obstruction of justice?
Nov 08th 2018
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                                    nobody right now. but it will happen down the road bro
Nov 08th 2018
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                     can the House subpoena records, witnesses, investigators, etc
Nov 07th 2018
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                          what if repubs dont hand over congress?
Nov 07th 2018
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You know this new Senate isn't going to hold the line on their threats
Nov 07th 2018
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this all makes me think that shit leads to more than trump.
Nov 07th 2018
184
It's like there wasn't even a big election yesterday lol
Nov 07th 2018
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fam we have 2 months to go until the next term of congress starts.
Nov 07th 2018
157
on the next season of "No reall, what the fuck is going on"...
Nov 07th 2018
161
What I’ve learned in the last thirty minutes
Nov 07th 2018
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I thought we might get at least a few days of non-insanity. stupid me
Nov 07th 2018
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if i was hillary clinton...i would flee the country.
Nov 07th 2018
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Soooo is the take away we go super progressive or Moderate in 2020?
Nov 07th 2018
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nigga there is no 2020 lol.
Nov 07th 2018
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might want to head towards the borders before CAN/MEX put up walls
Nov 07th 2018
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      i seriously think we might get locked in this bitch.
Nov 07th 2018
185
Republicans already told you they're not going to abandon their party
Nov 07th 2018
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btw a serious answer to your question. super progressives dont win.
Nov 07th 2018
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cable news is basically covering this like a sporting event.
Nov 07th 2018
187
full on sportscenter
Nov 07th 2018
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RE: cable news is basically covering this like a sporting event.
Nov 07th 2018
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      this shit is entertaining to them and highly profitable.
Nov 07th 2018
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seriously somebody just take chuck schumer out the back of the barn
Nov 07th 2018
193
I miss Harry Reid
Nov 07th 2018
195
      schumer is utterly useless.
Nov 07th 2018
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you a scared demon, shouldn't be allowed to spread semen
Nov 07th 2018
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holy shit...Rosenstein OUT.
Nov 07th 2018
200
Floriduh removed Jamele Hill from voter role due to Tweet
Nov 07th 2018
204
Jeff Sessions wanted to stay until the end of the week but John Kelly to...
Nov 07th 2018
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damn...what yall think of all this with Acosta?...
Nov 07th 2018
207
hood pass revoked
Nov 07th 2018
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Yoooo.. the doctored video though?
Nov 08th 2018
222
this shit out here looking like the Zapruder Film
Nov 08th 2018
227
An intentional ploy by Trump to churn the news cycle.
Nov 08th 2018
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remember when the media said john kelly would rein in trump?
Nov 08th 2018
214
Remember the NYT "adult in the room" garbage ? LOfuckingL
Nov 08th 2018
218
i may be in the minority, but im not unhappy with these results
Nov 08th 2018
221
I wasn't either
Nov 08th 2018
224
The amount of governor seats is huge. Enormously huge
Nov 08th 2018
226
      if Ohio was in that number I would be less mad
Nov 11th 2018
280
I'm mad at most of the reporting, but yeah results aren't bad
Nov 08th 2018
234
I'm glad we got the House but statewide, we took a beating. n/m
Nov 08th 2018
235
could have been better but it's progress
Nov 08th 2018
241
      I'm becoming increasingly convinced that that would be good for Trump .....
Nov 08th 2018
249
           They have to do both. Serve up progressive legislation for the GOP
Nov 08th 2018
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           Trump and his gang are going to come up with BS regardless
Nov 08th 2018
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           Right, you can't "play into his hands"
Nov 08th 2018
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                echoing this exchange.
Nov 09th 2018
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                     100%
Nov 09th 2018
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                     honest question...have you changed your mind, then?
Nov 09th 2018
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           As opposed to not doing anything? Or just not winning the house?
Nov 09th 2018
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                Ahhh no. Didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.
Nov 09th 2018
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                     it worked for republicans vs obama, hillary clinton, etc.
Nov 09th 2018
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                          Yea man we are agreeing on pretty much everything.
Nov 09th 2018
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                          Fox News ran point on all of that
Nov 09th 2018
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                               ^ yep. This is what I was getting @ above when I said ...
Nov 09th 2018
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heard a guy on the radio today
Nov 08th 2018
236
All 19 Black Women Running for Judge in a Texas Race Won Tuesday Night
Nov 09th 2018
266
DSA-endorsed candidates/ballot measures claim 67 wins (so far)
Nov 09th 2018
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The Legacy of Jordan Davis Lives on in His Mother Lucy McBath's Congress...
Nov 09th 2018
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Love this so much.
Nov 09th 2018
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thank you
Nov 09th 2018
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Some of y'all are negative nancies.
Nov 11th 2018
278
100 seats?
Nov 11th 2018
279
i stopped there too
Nov 11th 2018
281
I wanted to believe its hyperbole but it’s Kira
Nov 12th 2018
284
Dems made gains in 55 states...
Nov 12th 2018
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      Lmao
Nov 12th 2018
287
323 Legislative seats across the country (c) DLCC
Nov 12th 2018
290
Trump winning made them gun shy dogs
Nov 12th 2018
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      rather, it's made me more dictatorial
Nov 12th 2018
283
           i would love to see the rise of authoritarian liberals/dems.
Nov 12th 2018
285
                bingo.
Nov 12th 2018
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democrats 1st order of business: voting rights & campaign finance reform
Nov 12th 2018
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Awesome. How does that get through the Senate?
Nov 12th 2018
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      It doesn't
Nov 13th 2018
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      They need to attach it to a defense fund contract
Nov 13th 2018
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      well dems will control the budget. so it can be negotiated.
Nov 13th 2018
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AZ to Sinema
Nov 12th 2018
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expect a Cheeto tirade today somewhere...
Nov 13th 2018
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RE: expect a Cheeto tirade today somewhere...
Nov 13th 2018
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      Probably Jerome Corsi, a former reporter with InfoWars
Nov 13th 2018
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           looks like it
Nov 13th 2018
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           I think he wrote a book claiming Obama's real dad was Malcolm X
Nov 13th 2018
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           Jerome Corsi fucking rules
Nov 13th 2018
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Congress keeps getting more diverse
Nov 13th 2018
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its all on the dem side.
Nov 13th 2018
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Whitaker wont last. just like i tol you silly scary negroes
Nov 13th 2018
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do you have new information?
Nov 13th 2018
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Whitaker won't last, but only for technical reasons.
Nov 13th 2018
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Doesn't seem too hard.
Nov 14th 2018
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      Damn.
Nov 14th 2018
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      Haha. The chips are in their favor, at every turn.
Nov 14th 2018
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      this doj olc memo shows how weak their case is.
Nov 14th 2018
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           ^^^ Yup...
Nov 14th 2018
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           RE: ^^^ Yup...
Nov 14th 2018
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                RE: ^^^ Yup...
Nov 14th 2018
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                     Thanks
Nov 14th 2018
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           who is going to check them?
Nov 14th 2018
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                ^ beat me to it.
Nov 14th 2018
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                the only reason im even slightly confident
Nov 14th 2018
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                     that is encouraging...couple questions tho
Nov 14th 2018
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i already told yall it wasnt happening bcz too many conflicts of interes...
Nov 14th 2018
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      Do you read other posts in this thread? Also, are you 12?
Nov 14th 2018
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Democrat Josh Harder wins U.S. House seat in California farm belt, defea...
Nov 13th 2018
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McConnell just blocked consideration of the bipartisan bill to protect M...
Nov 14th 2018
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lol hopefully Flake and Collins don't pull a
Nov 14th 2018
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      Flake's not flaking yet, BUT...
Nov 16th 2018
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House Intelligence Panel Hiring Money-Laundering Sleuths
Nov 21st 2018
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1. "I voted D because the GOP is some hoe ass niggas in NC"
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They had 8 amendments that were all worded like they would help voters but all them shits were GOP shenanigans.

They had a right to hunt and fish that was basically a law that would make it harder to change gun laws. We can already hunt and fish.

Tax cuts... for the 1%

I voted for bonds for low income and affordable housing.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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2. "Colorado is voting to repeal slavery for criminals."
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This is a summary of what was proposed for Amendment 6:

• Expands the scope of victims' rights under the Florida Constitution, including victims' rights to due process, under what's known as Marsy's Law;

• Raises the mandatory retirement age of Florida judges from 70 to 75;

• Prohibits state courts from deferring to an administrative agency's interpretation of a state statute or rule.

There were about 13-14 amendments on the ballot today and several of them combined a lot of junk just like this one.

The only one I voted for was to restore the voting rights of felons after they serve their time.

  

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6. "Do all of these need 60% to pass then?"
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7. "Yep. That'll put them in the state constitution. n/m"
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4. "Straight D"
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left one unchecked as it was libertarian vs republican. dont really remember what the seat was.

i think the only proposition was for city council salary to be the median income for the city. i say yes. i think this might be the way to go with corporate positions as well. if your workers are making more than you make more. not necessarily a 1:1 scale but there should be a fair ratio.

really hope Beto shocks Ted.

  

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5. "Voted early on Saturday"
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>What's your voting strategy?
Fill out the ballot with complete circles, put the ballot in the machine and get that sticker.

>Who did you vote for?
Straight blue for partisan races. Non-partisan races, I've got the sheriff who isn't a bootlicking ICE lover that sent his own officers to go beat up protesters at Standing Rock (in another state,) the county attorney who doesn't want to lock up everyone and the city candidates who can at least plausibly pretend to care about things that aren't cutting taxes.

I like our DFL gov candidate more than I did eight years ago (and he turned out to be an ok governor) and I'm not too worried either of our Senators will lose. I'm most excited to see my congressional district finally go blue, though, the incumbent has been one of the most vulnerable Republicans all cycle.

>Why did you vote for them?
Because they represent what I believe and I want things to get slightly less worse.

>What were the propositions on the ballot in your area?
None, sadly.

>How many seats are the Democrats going to gain?
House net total 25, net total of zero in the Senate

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8. "RE: Midterm elections...."
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>What's your voting strategy?

Hope the Russians don't mess up my vote

>Who did you vote for?

Anybody but the Russians (Ben Jealous, Pam Beidle for State Senate against her racist ass opponent John Grasso, the Greens running for the House and I left my Senate ballot blank. Should have written in Margaret Flowers but I couldn't remember her name while I was standing there. Ben Cardin doesn't deserve my vote. He voted to approve too many of Trump's cabinet members, especially John Kelly, who was clearly a racist problem before he even became Secretary of DHS. Then Cardin blames peacefully protesting Palestinians for Israel murdering them in cold blood. The ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations committee has got to do better than that. On a positive note, I had a good conversation with him about confronting the neo-nazis in the white house and the rise of neo nazis across the globe.)

>Why did you vote for them?

Did I vote for them or did the russians choose them for me? I don't know who to trust anymore.

In America

>What were the propositions on the ballot in your area?

Putting all this gambling revenue from Maryland's 6 casinos into an account that only goes to education. Voted Yes.

Same Day voter registration. Voted No. Too much temptation for republicans to fuck shit up.

Some other local bs resolutions that I voted no on. Both related to reigning in the asshole County Exec we have.

>Oh yeah go show Bin some love, those of you able to vote for
>him, and provide him a vote so he can serve his community on
>the political side impacting meaningful change.

Good luck to my fellow Green party member. The Dems in Maryland have disenfranchised us too long.

>How many seats are the Democrats going to gain?

not enough. Shit is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better as long as liar in chief is out there lying his ass off and the tech companies are pitting us against each other.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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9. "Voted early a couple weeks ago. "
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>What's your voting strategy?

D down the line, as usual. People are deluding themselves if they think there's a justification for anything else these days.

>Who did you vote for?

Sherrod Brown, who will win handily.
Rich Cordray, which may come down to the wire.
Also voted against my local piece-of-shit tea-party representative. But he'll win anyway.

I skipped the lines for judges. It is so utterly stupid for a state to expect voters to elect judges.

>Why did you vote for them?

Because the only alternative is to implicitly support Republicans.

>What were the propositions on the ballot in your area?

Nothing major that I remember. We had our weed referendum a few years ago but it was ... complicated. This time around all I remember were some property tax hikes and school bonds, all of which I voted for.

>Oh yeah go show Bin some love, those of you able to vote for
>him, and provide him a vote so he can serve his community on
>the political side impacting meaningful change.

I honestly respect Bin's willingness to jump into the fray. Still, I would say this about any Green Party candidate: if they're relevant at all, it's only because they're spoilers. The best they can hope for is to elect a Republican. It doesn't sound like Bin is gonna elect a Republican, so that's good news.

>How many seats are the Democrats going to gain?

I'm keeping my hopes in check. Expecting a gain of 25 or so seats, so a very slim majority. From there, I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than unpleasantly surprised.

As for the Senate, I'm gonna guess a 48-52 split in the end. Basically where we are now. We'll lose in ND, obviously, TN, Texas, but I'm hopeful for McCaskill, Nelson, Sinema.

Governors: Gillum will win, and will immediately be a 2020 contender. Stacy Abrams will be close, but I'm hoping a turnout jolt will actually push her over the edge.

>Stay safe out there because people are crazy.

They are indeed.

  

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10. "First blood goes in favor for the Dems in Guam"
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Democrats took governorship control from the Republicans over there in the east...however that thing works in Guam

  

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11. "here in Arizona...."
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Voted straight D on the early mail in ballot...

left a few judges on the ballot blank tho. Couldn't get that much research done on them

  

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12. "My internet is all jacked. CNN Go isn’t working. They hacking "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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13. "538 started the day with 85% chance of Dem house win. Now 50%"
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Edit: 2 minutes later dropped to 39%. Ummmmmmmm?????

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15. "Lmao. Why does anyone pay attention to those sites "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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20. "It's watching sports"
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That's it. Only people don't think the score halfway through the first quarter is the final result.

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21. "538 has been really accurate."
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Even in 2016. They gave Trump significant odds of winning (1 in 3, iirc), and they publically warned why other sites were underestimating him (ignoring correlated uncertainties in rust belt states).

  

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23. "Nate tweeted that their estimator was being too volatile."
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It was overusing partial returns, which bounce all over the place early in the night.

Apparently they've now tweaked it, but they should have known better.

  

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27. "NBC has a 80 percent chance the Dems will win the House"
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You didn't post that.

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14. "RE: Midterm elections...."
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Texas Election Results

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-texas-elections.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Harris County polls will close at 8:00 pm

  

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16. "Donna Brazile looks stunning..."
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the night is still young.
I’m here for it tho...

where you at papi?

  

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17. "Feels like Dems are gonna get mollywopped in the Senate"
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Their struggling to hold seats. Let alone flip

Florida is close. Feels like it might be slipping away
Missouri feels like it's done
Indiana is pulling away from Dems
North Dakota is done

Upside. Beto seems to be doing well against Cruz in Texas

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24. "Florida is looking real bad. Senate and Governor."
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There goes Gillum 2020.

EDIT: Ah, but it sounds like the outstanding vote is still in Miami-Dade, so things will tighten...

I'm in pessimistic mode now, though.

  

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18. "Voted for Jealous, but voted Green for everything else I could"
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Baltimore's most important votes to cast are around Bonds and Questions....that was where I did my homework to decide what was what.

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19. "Amendment 4 PASSES in Florida"
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1.4 million citizens get the right to vote

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31. "Best thing that will happen tonight "
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78. "I don't see how Amendment 4 passes and Gillum still lost"
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It's one of those odd occurrences that's hard to explain. Also the fact Gillum only received 82% of the black women vote is odd.
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205. "racism is weird. "
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people want to be/want to appear to be not racist, maybe in this circumstance the hypothetical voters aren't concrete enough to have folks vote against it.

also florida's situation was an incredibly bad look. it wasn't just that people weren't allowed to vote, it's that the process to restore voting rights was terrible AND public AND inefficient.

  

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22. "I've decided to stay"
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After 2016 I wanted to leave.
I didn't want to end up in a situation where we're saying "I wish I had left when we had the chance"
I got passports for my family, emergency kits, fixed the cars, bought a gun and just hung on for the next years
It's been a shitty two years
It's a shitty night. I STARTED drinking liquor like nowish.
I sent a text to the group text today

"I didn’t want to live the remainder of my days being involved in the daily minutiae of white patriarchal supremacy. I was fully prepared for slow erosion of the status quo.
And to die having the world become marginally better than it was when I came in.
And what really fucks me up about it is that folks that came before us fought with blood over this shit. On both sides. Blood was spilled. It was violent. This new regime since the 80s is all about courts and disenfranchisement and jail and propaganda, the most most passive official violence ever (outside of the police). Like have the fucking courage to attack or stand behind your attacks at the very fucking least. Don’t just gin up emotions and shrug."


And I still feel that. But I'm reminded of my first tattoo. The fist that I got in solidarity with John Carlos and Tommie Smith. That I'd carry that fight on throughout my life for what it meant to me. And it seems that unfortunately, I don't have that luxury. That I imagined the subversion, but the fight will need to be more direct. Which is unfortunate. Such a waste of time and opportunity. But if this is the challenge, if this is what is, rather than what could've been ... then let's box.

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26. "I’m going to bed..."
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28. "I have this weird thing about bearing witness"
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I hate looking away. I feel like I need to respect the pain and sadness.
It's weird but it's me.

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29. "lol. my man (c) "
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I’ll look for you in the new world
to tell me all about it...




  

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25. "This Beto thing is fucking with me"
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Like, could this actually happen?

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30. "Doesn’t look likely with the counties left to report"
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But it’s way closer than I thought it would be

What’s insane is the disparity between Lupe and Beto (most of why I didn’t think Beto had a chance was I knew Abbott was going to crush her)

It seems like there might be a significant part of Texas that is just anti-Cruz, which makes more sense given the results for the rest of the night than enthusiasm for Beto’s platform.

Because, again, if it’s about policy, who the fuck casts a ballot for Abbott (or Ken Paxton!!?!!) and also Beto O’Rourke?

  

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32. "Yeah, he's done"
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Wonder what his next move is gonna be.

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34. "2020 Senate vs. Cornyn?"
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I put in for a job in Dallas today.

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35. "Honestly he should go after Cornyn’s seat in 2020"
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And work on building grassroots Dem campaigns in the state. Assuming he’s sincere about this past campaign, the best thing for his future and for the party is to build some momentum here.

Getting that seat in 2020 might be tougher than this one unless the Dems got someone to get people to show up and vote out Trump though. Wasn’t nobody today showing up to vote because they’re really into Ted Cruz.

  

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33. "hmm Dan Patrick and Paxton are in tighter than expected races"
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This is kind of interesting. They’re both going to win, but maybe Texans are actually getting fed up with these assholes.

  

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36. "Seriously Florida, WTF"
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NCAA BB: Arizona / NCAA FB: Michigan
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37. "I'm thinking FL is extra susceptible to a 'hidden Trump' vote."
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39. "one lowkey aspect to that race"
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the next governor of florida gets to appoint 3 new justices to the state supreme court. even tho former felons can now vote...fl gop is about to ramp up voter suppression efforts knowing a clear court majority will rule in their favor.

  

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38. "CULBERSON GONE *AIR HORN* (TX D7)"
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Beto hurts but thinking about Humpty Dumpty being voted out almost makes up for it. Gonna be cheesing on my walk to work tomorrow seeing all the “Culberson Keeps his Word” signs out in the yards

Now I just need word that creepo Stan Stanart is out too lol

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42. "MAN I KNOW THEM SIGNS!"
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lmao Culberson keeps his word

>Beto hurts but thinking about Humpty Dumpty being voted out
>almost makes up for it. Gonna be cheesing on my walk to work
>tomorrow seeing all the “Culberson Keeps his Word” signs
>out in the yards
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>Now I just need word that creepo Stan Stanart is out too lol

  

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40. "we live in a country populated by shitty people."
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79. "yep, lots and lots of 'em"
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156. "Yes."
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41. "Highly believe dems will rock with 235+ in the house."
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Which sucks because Pelosi needs to be removed ASAP, and that will not help.

  

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43. "why does pelosi need to be removed iyo?"
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she is arguably the most capable legislator in congress from either party.

i think a lot of people vilify her without knowing her track record. ive never heard any of her detractors talk about what she has actually done in congress. they just basically talk about 'new blood' (and not equally-capable blood).

  

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61. "She is def better than Scumer"
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No argument there

For me, she was too on trump investigations, She pushed against them just at the time when the entire republican base was seating bullets and the writing was on the wall.

The only reason we have Mueller currently is because of the judicial branch not wanting to be upended.

  

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118. "big picture stuff...and acting like all is normal"
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You have said a few times that "Dems have a huge problem" in this thread.

Obviously, there are specific issues to discuss but one big issue in my opinion?....

Who is the face of the party?? Who does the average American think of when they hear "Dem party"- especially in rural areas?

Ol' rubber stamp Chuck and everything is fine here Nancy.


I'm not doubting her effectiveness as a legislator/negotiator.

Can she not do that behind the scenes?

Right or wrong, she is very unpopular- especially among moderates (who, again, you have said the Dems need in order to win)


Also, she doesn't seem up to the task of treating the situation with the type of urgency it needs. She (and Chucky) want to pretend all is normal.


Those are two big reasons I'm hoping for a different speaker.

I wish she would step back, work behind the scenes, hell even mentor a new person, for the good of the party's chances in 2020.


Again, if your take is "Dems need moderates and swing votes" then you gotta be on board with a different Speaker.

  

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127. "fair points all around."
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pelosi catches flack from moderates for being a san fran liberal and catches flack from progressives for being moderate lol. cant win either way really.

i think most congressional leaders get boxed in from both sides of their party. like mcconnell is prolly the most cynically effective conservative senate leader in modern history. but he is still deeply unpopular in his own party and considered a rino by the base.

i agree with you about pelosi as the face of the party. i think i mentioned above that her public persona is her biggest flaw. she just comes off as too cocky and politician-y and looks drugged up half the time. *if* she could just be a work horse and not a show horse then that would be great.

this is why people like her and tom perez shouldnt be viewed as spokespeople and more as just organizational administrators. whether they are charasmatic shouldnt even be relevant. but obviously the public develops its perceptions and doesnt really have an understanding of political roles and nuance.

the biggest problem with trying to find the face of the dem party is that dems arent as homogenous as repubs. theres a lot of cultural and ideological diversity in the party. its really a motley crew of different factions.

so while someone like obama is super popular among some factions...he cant even campaign for dems in half the states in america. and if you want a dem face thats gonna appeal to rural voters...hes prolly gonna have to have moderate/conservative rural values. that prolly aint gonna endear him/her to the metro/cosmo liberal types.

basically biden is the only high powered dem left that can walk that tightrope. and a lot of the party has cooled off to old white guys in leadership.

i agree with you on dem leadership acting like things are normal (not as much on nancy as i do on chuck). thats why harry reid was pretty dope. he was on some 'treat em how they wanna be treated' shit. i mention it a lot on here...but those types of personalities are being naturally pushed out of the party. the base is getting softer, more snowflake-y, and more morally indignant (and literally more feminine).

like there was a dem candidate in virgina who made fun of her opponents bigfoot fetish...and volunteers threatened to stop supporting her because she was 'kink shaming' lol. we cant play hardball with people like that on our roster fam lol.


  

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142. "RE: fair points all around."
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>the biggest problem with trying to find the face of the dem
>party is that dems arent as homogenous as repubs. theres a
>lot of cultural and ideological diversity in the party. its
>really a motley crew of different factions.
>
>so while someone like obama is super popular among some
>factions...he cant even campaign for dems in half the states
>in america. and if you want a dem face thats gonna appeal to
>rural voters...hes prolly gonna have to have
>moderate/conservative rural values. that prolly aint gonna
>endear him/her to the metro/cosmo liberal types.
>
>basically biden is the only high powered dem left that can
>walk that tightrope. and a lot of the party has cooled off to
>old white guys in leadership.


Right, which has me stressed in how they thread the needle both in general and in 2020.

I think it would be a mistake to run two boring old white people again. But, (unfortunately) based on last night, it would probably be a mistake to go too far the other way.

Who can fire up the base and win FL/OH/WI etc? Is Biden the only one?

Yikes



>
>i agree with you on dem leadership acting like things are
>normal (not as much on nancy as i do on chuck). thats why
>harry reid was pretty dope. he was on some 'treat em how they
>wanna be treated' shit. i mention it a lot on here...but
>those types of personalities are being naturally pushed out of
>the party. the base is getting softer, more snowflake-y, and
>more morally indignant (and literally more feminine).
>
>like there was a dem candidate in virgina who made fun of her
>opponents bigfoot fetish...and volunteers threatened to stop
>supporting her because she was 'kink shaming' lol. we cant
>play hardball with people like that on our roster fam lol.
>

I didn't pay this much attention when Harry was around, but based on this and a general sense, it seems the Dems really need someone like him in the senate. I know I talk a lot about Nancy, but I despise Chuck far worse...

  

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141. "We can't just concede the whole "she's unpopular" thing."
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This is not the first time you've said 'right or wrong, she's unpopular.'

Democratic party leaders, all of them, are unpopular for a very specific reason. Right wing media and candidates demonize them and we're too above it all to defend them.

Gore, Kerry, Daschle, Reed, Schumer, Pelosi, Obama, Clinton...

And it's not just a GOP thing. We easily and rightly turned the country against Gingrich, Hastert, Boehner, McConnell, Mitt. Speaker Ryan has avoided it only by becoming completely irrelevant.

It's especially easy with Congressional leaders, because almost nobody in the country as a whole actually voted for them. Everybody can wipe their hands of them, and they do.

There will never be a Speaker of the House who isn't hated with passion by at least half the country. Anyone you name would be just as unpopular as Nancy within a year.

All that remains is how effective they are at corraling members.

  

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144. "Can't ignore it either, though"
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I don't want to bring up old shit, but I was nervous about Hilary because the right had been attacking her since the 90's and it had worked.

I knew/know rational, moderate people who don't like her...though they often can't explain why. Nancy gets a lot of the same shit.

Its fucked up.

But I think too often the Dems/the left whatever you want to call it, rationalize the "hate" and take a moral stance of "its unfair that they hate her"...and push that person through so to speak.

In other words, the "but the hate for her is unfounded" argument from the left isn't effective- because it isn't changing minds.

I get that the congressional leaders of each party are unpopular. However, if we are going to say that Democrats have a problem in Trump states (even states where Dem policies passed on the ballot), at least considering a new face for the House has to be on the table.

Again, these aren't normal times. And the Dems don't really have a counter puncher for Trumpolini...


** I do agree that Dems have to get better at defending their people and their stances. But again, who can effectively do that now? It was nice to see Obama back in the limelight, but he has never been good at defending himself or his party. So who is?



  

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148. "But again, the problem isn't the leaders."
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If we agree that any other leader would be just as unpopular within a matter of months, then replacing them would be pointless.

To be honest, I don't really think there even is a problem. When Republicans invoke Pelosi in campaign ads, she's just a shorthand for 'the Democratic party' in districts where the Democratic party is unpopular. The reason she's unpopular is BECAUSE she's the Democratic leader.

  

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44. "AWW YEAH!!! Letitia James won NY Atty General. "
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45. "the coverage will be all about the blue wave failing and trump winning."
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with very little mention of the rampant voter suppression, massive tv and social media disinformation campaigns, BLATANT lying by repub candidates (socialism, pre-existing conditions, etc), media amplifying/disseminating trump propaganda on a nightly basis, and the flood of dark money from overwhelmingly like 3 billionaires propping up gop candidates against dem candidates who easily outraised them in real individual donations.

i aint even turning on the news tonight.

  

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46. "btw trump is about to ACT OUT now."
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even more than he has. you *know* they killing/restricting the mueller investigation.

  

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50. "killing the mueller probe? not a chance. too much snitching goin on"
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and now NY got Trumps worst nightmare, a Black female AG who already said shes coming for the Trumps.

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51. "killing mueller probe & information leaking are not mutually exclusive."
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repubs are perfectly fine with canning the probe and burying the official report to stunt any real action in congress...and just suffering whatever political fallout comes from that (their voters will still vote for them).

with an expanded majority in the senate...repubs will be even more emboldened because they can appoint whoever they want when sessions/rosenstein get replaced.

  

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52. "im not talking about information leaking"
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im talkin bout cold hard snitching thats going to be hard to beat when everything comes out...this aint just mueller its state shit too...the Trumps are about to fry

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58. "fam snitching doesnt matter if the mueller probe is killed."
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the new ag or deputy ag could kill it and bury the evidence. then all we could hope for are media leaks (which would just be political fodder for the next election).

trump could appoint a complete lackey at sdny too and kill the cohen/trump org investigation(s) there if he wanted (his current appointment recused himself).

or he could just pardon all federal crimes which could absolve anyone of possible state crimes too when the supreme court kills double jeopardy this term.

trump could do all of this and it would be completely within his authority (especially with the supreme court we have now).

or they could release the mueller report to the house...it turns out to be completely damning...the house impeaches him...the senate and repub voters shrug and trumps plows ahead with his reelection campaign.

people keep expecting our future to be safely guided by norms and normalcy when the last 2 years have shown the complete opposite.

and ny ag has no authority over any meaningful *criminal* investigations against trump outside of his foundation. and any big charges there mostly have to be referred to the irs for criminal tax prosecutions. irs is so intentionally backlogged and dysfunctional that we might not see any movement for years (if they decide to do anything at all).

aint no white knight fam. mueller aint walking trump out the oval office in handcuffs.

the only way to hold these folks truly accountable is with votes/elections. and theyre steadily taking that away for the people most likely to hold them accountable. while their minority of voters has increasingly growing political/electoral power exceeding their population size and are completely ok with the tyranny and corruption.

  

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145. "Sessions, Rosenstein, and the entire Mueller team..."
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will be refreshing Twitter all day.

I hope Mueller has figured out some kind of pipeline to leak info to the House Oversight Committee.

  

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47. "Oh please oh please get Steve King out of there"
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Ol cantaloupe calves is in a tight one

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48. "I’m hopeful but...it’s fucking Santa Clarita/Palmdale/Simi/etc "
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49. "people still voting green party in competitive elections smh."
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could hand repubs elections in arizona and wisconsin.

  

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80. "It's frustrating because you know those votes only hurt Dems"
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53. "we could end up with a dem prez and a repub senate after 2020."
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and the repub senate could just refuse to fill any judicial nominations or key govt appointments...basically making the dem prez a lame duck still running a republican administration.

even tho more repub seats are up...the senate map isnt great for dems in 2020. most of the repub seats are in solid red territory and and theres only like 2 really vulnerable r seats in blue territory (gardner and collins).

  

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54. "Nevada Republicans elect dead pimp to State Assembly (swipe)"
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smh!

http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/06/dennis-hof-wins-election-after-death-nevada-state-assembly-pimp-brothel/

DENNIS HOF
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WINS NEVADA ELECTION

11/6/18 11:10 PM PST


Voters in Nevada just elected a dead pimp to the State Assembly, sort of ... voting in Dennis Hof only 3 weeks after the famous brothel owner died at one his whorehouses.

Dennis was still on the ballot as a Republican candidate for the Nevada state legislature, despite being found dead Oct. 16 at his famed Love Ranch in Crystal, Nevada ... and he beat out Democratic opponent Lesia Romanov in a landslide.

Polling places posted signs alerting voters to Hof's death, but that didn't stop them from voting for the man who made a living running sex ranches.

During his campaign, Dennis nicknamed himself the "Trump from Pahrump," in reference to the town where he lived in Nevada ... and he got over 60 percent of the vote in the heavily Republican district he was favored to win.

Because a dead man won the election, the seat is still considered vacant and will be filled by the county commissioners, who will select a fellow Republican who resides in the district to serve Dennis' 2-year term.

What a country!

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85. "hilarious"
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114. "Florida, hold my beer"
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55. "Dems had some good victories but the main lesson from tonight "
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that shouldn't be forgotten is that most white people are still white supremacists. Even at the expense of their children's future on an inhabitable planet.

  

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56. "dems have a *huge* problem on their hands. "
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senate races are more and more taking on a states national profile (presidential vote).

trump played a good hand here in that he nationalized the senate races. so a lot of trump voting states voted for repub senators regardless of the actual issues/stances.

the country is rapidly polarizing between urban and rural. with rurals more and more overwhelmingly voting for republicans.

these two trends are pretty devastating because such a large amount of senate seats are in states dominated by the rural vote.

the same way democrats controlled the house for 40 years nonstop...the repubs could do the same with the senate. that means complete gop control of judges, senate-approved administration appointments, etc (regardless of who the president is).

  

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57. "I personally think the writing is on the wall"
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This is a white nationalist police state, which is now ripe for international meddling. Our infighting has China and Russia salivating, we are weaker than we've ever been. China's AI capabilities are comparable with ours, which we didn't see coming at all.

I'm so glad I'm 46 years old and I don't have kids. I'm all for humans eradicating ourselves as I think we are a blight on the planet and I'll be happy to see it all go down due to moronic ignorance while the morons that enabled it are shocked when it happens.

  

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59. "white nationalist police state is an accurate description."
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we are looking at an apartheid type government lead by an authoritarian minority.

while america is getting more diverse...gop put their faith in older non college educated white people. the people who actually vote. the people who the system...through hundreds of years of laws, amendments, etc...was designed to give victories to so they could in turn keep richer white people in power.

the only speedbump would be a complete economic disaster laid firmly at the feet of repubs. then some type of progressive era like fdr after the great depression.

but even that would be temporary and repubs will keep coming. they just keep voting for their party even after shit that should have ruined them for a generation (great depression, nixon, gw bush, etc).

  

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82. "the only reason that matters in American politics IMO"
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>that shouldn't be forgotten is that most white people are
>still white supremacists. Even at the expense of their
>children's future on an inhabitable planet.

I think there needs to be a legit antifa wave to keep them out of the polls or something

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89. "If the New Black Panthers were everything Fox News wanted them to be"
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We'd have a better country

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60. "dems won house popular vote by wave margin."
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https://twitter.com/SamWangPhD/status/1060005151321276416

2nd biggest margin to obamas election year.

they actually outperformed the generic ballot...which is uncommon for dems...especially in a midterm year (voter makeup in midterms tend to favor repubs...older and whiter).

i cant find the breakdown i saw on twitter...but without gerrymandering...dems could have gained a good 10-15 seats more too.

dems vastly underperformed in the senate tho. even dems who won like manchin and brown came in significantly under their polling margins (prolly a lot of people voting as if trump was on the ballot).

despite all this...news coverage will be prolly be more critical/patronizing of nancy pelosi in winning than they will be of chuck schumer in losing.

  

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63. "Pelosi gets so much more hate than Schumer"
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Despite having actually accomplished things in her role.

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65. "remember how trump and his supporters were bitching"
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about those spending bills and continuing resolutions that they said looked basically like dem gift baskets because dems got so many of their priorities filled and 'steamrolled' republicans? pelosi negotiated those.

honestly the only problem with pelosi is her public appearance. inside those chambers shes a beast.

  

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70. "I would be fine with a younger Speaker"
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and hope she gets challenged by someone better than Tim Ryan this time.

But Schumer is so much fucking worse. He gave Trump a bunch of new judicial appointments for nothing in return and can't even keep his whole caucus together for most big votes. Pelosi was able to corral the entire Dem caucus (from progressive Medicare for All types to anti-choice red state conservative Dems) to vote for the ACA back then, knowing it would cost a bunch of them their seats.

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220. "I wonder why??"
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The dirtbag left seems to have certain types they go after, and what a coindence that they tend to be women or persons of color. Over and over, same story.

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62. "Georgia....really??? Why is it this close??"
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64. "Scott Walker losing has me happy"
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And it was a pretty great night in Minnesota. Took the state house (senate won't be up until 2020, but the GOP only has a one seat majority there) and elected a good governor. Kept both senate seats blue, got Erik Paulsen and Jason Lewis the fuck out of Congress and Keith Ellison kept an utterly psychotic Christianist from being AG (though that was closer than it should have been.) AND Hennepin County sent our goose-stepper of a Sheriff packing, which I never thought was going to happen.

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66. "ellison had me scared."
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i thought those accusations were gonna do him in.

  

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67. "He ran well behind the other statewide Dems"
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I genuinely thought the allegations would've sunk him. He was facing an uphill battle even before, if the GOP would've picked a boring middle management looking type instead of a dude who kept bragging about all the Dems he was going to fire and the "Secret Constitution" he followed, they might have won.

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69. "yeah he was def saved by an extreme opponent."
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that dude would have won office in like 90% of red states tho with his crazy ass. like none of that nutty shit would have been disqualifying lol.

  

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68. "'progressives' are really annoying."
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i got a bunch of tyt types on my political twitter timeline saying the reason why the dem senators in states trump won by double digits and up lost was because they were too moderate/centrist. think about that.

  

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72. "completely backwards"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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77. "it's true about Donnelly"
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Heitkamp was FUCKED. that was straight up ethnic cleansing the vote.

McCaskill made a key mistake, and I don't doubt there was some fuckery there too.

  

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81. "you think donnelly was too moderate in a state trump won by 20 points?"
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84. "Beto kind of proved you don't have to basically repeat GOP talking point..."
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to have a fighting chance. Donnelly kind of made Joe Manchin look like Bernie Sanders in his campaign. The whole "I support the wall/support ICE" tack was a horrible look. how is that supposed to work when there isn't a national meme against Republicans being "bad"? or rather, why would voters pick a Dem who says "Trump" things?

all he has to do is follow the Conor Lamb formula, tailored to Indiana. Shit, the Evan Bayh formula (and that dude was kind of an asswipe). kinda stay away from some of the liberal "pressure points" and focus on the basics to win.

he only got that seat off some borderline Doug Jones "my opponent supports rape" shit in the first place. he could have put up a better campaign this time. it's not that he was too moderate, he was just being too blatantly Trumpian.

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95. "Yeah, I'm not sure if a more progressive candidate would've won"
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But we know that appealing to Trumpers hasn't worked. Outside of Manchin, every conservative red-state Dem lost last night.

What if we at least try and appeal to the rest of Indiana? Hell, Missouri voted for a minimum wage hike even though McCaskill lost her seat.

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105. "it looks like tester might eek out a victory"
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based on where votes were left.

when you say appealing to trumpers doesnt win (in states trump won lol)...how do you square that with the fact that the losing dems (so far) voted against kavanaugh but manchin voted for him and won?

  

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116. "Manchin seems bulletproof"
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I don't know about that guy, he first got elected as a Dem in a wave year for the GOP in a super red state.

But outside of him, it didn't work for anyone else. Donnelly campaigned against Medicare For All and McCaskill tried to throw her lot in with the people scared of the Caravan Of Doom at the last minute.

We don't have a lot of people who have tried running statewide races as unabashed progressives in red states. Beto did well (better than he should've,) but how much of that was his unique sort of rockstar charisma? Abrams might've been able to win in a less suppressive state, but even with the losses both her and Beto almost certainly helped downballot candidates in their state.

I guess I don't think there's any one way for Dems to compete in red states. District by district, you can probably break it down to places where a more moderate candidate would do better. But for statewide races, you're eventually going to need to run some more progressive candidates. It worked last night in Michigan and Wisconsin, even though they went for Trump. It wasn't even a great night for Dems in Ohio, except for Sherrod Brown.

But I also don't think it's as simple as "pick the farthest left person and they win." It HAS to be someone who knows the community and can organize in their state/district, because if you don't have that your ideology is irrelevant.

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102. "beto didnt run in a state thats almost 90% white"
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and voted for trump by double the margin of texas.

indiana also doesnt have the same amount of diverse, ultra liberal, or well-educated vote-rich blue enclaves that texas has either.

and while texas is slowly trending blue...indiana is trending more red.

sometimes the fundamentals are what they are fam.

beto showed that beto was a good fit for his state/campaign. he was a unique candidate that captured the hearts and minds of people across the entire country. you cant just replicate that. and that type of candidate cant win everywhere.


>Donnelly kind of made Joe Manchin
>look like Bernie Sanders in his campaign. The whole "I support
>the wall/support ICE" tack was a horrible look.
>
>all he has to do is follow the Conor Lamb formula, tailored to
>Indiana.

you do know that conor lamb ran as a moderate explicitly supporting ice and calling for increased border security while parroting trump on tariffs right? lol.

and conor lamb was running for a district (with blue collar dem ancestry). not the same dynamics as winning statewide in a conservative hub.


>Shit, the Evan Bayh formula (and that dude was kind
>of an asswipe).

you do know that evan bayh got beat by around the same margin as donnelly right? lol.

>he only got that seat off some borderline Doug Jones "my
>opponent supports rape" shit in the first place.

which means his time was most likely up anyway (like mccaskill).

>it's not that he was too moderate, he was just being too
>blatantly Trumpian.


when your entire state gets more trumpian...you basically gotta get trumpian with it. its kinda hard to win when you dont model your campaign after your electorate.

  

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111. "this I agree with"
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>which means his time was most likely up anyway (like
>mccaskill).

he was probably out, but he went out like a sucker.

>when your entire state gets more trumpian...you basically
>gotta get trumpian with it. its kinda hard to win when you
>dont model your campaign after your electorate.

I disagree on this point. there has to be a way besides offering the same thing as "the other guy" under a different label. that's a formula for losing.

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119. "you gotta fit the electorate."
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>I disagree on this point. there has to be a way besides
>offering the same thing as "the other guy" under a different
>label. that's a formula for losing.

look at popular repub governors in blue states like charlie baker and larry hogan (who just won easy re-elections). they basically run as dems with small repub trimmings lol.

the real issue is party label/behavior. repubs in dem states who do dem shit are loved by dems. dems in repub states basically have a target on their back from the door.

  

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112. "I'm usually in the "be more progressive camp" but..."
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Florida kind of has me fucked up.

GA too.


Don't get me wrong, at the end of the day, the Dems need to get their base out- which they aren't always good at.

But...

Florida has me fucked up. lol


As far as Beto, I wonder what Ted's approval rating is in TX? Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Beto fan, but I wonder how much of the result is an "anti-Cruz" stance?

  

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149. "Florida and GA should have you fucked up over Jim Crow"
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the message in both states made the races winnable. However, straight Jim Crow era voter suppression seems to have provided an obstacle that was too big to overcome.

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103. "you see pundits arguing both ways"
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they werent moderate enough or they werent progressive enough.

honestly if you look at who people are excited for its usually progressives, thats the key to get people that sit out to come out and vote. why would you pick a moderate D vs a moderate R?

i think candidates just need to run on their values. dont apologize for them.

if their values are moderate then so be it, dont try to fake the funk though.

  

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143. "btw bernie candidates got their asses kicked across the country"
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in competitive general elections. some coughed up seats that would have been winnable for the more moderate dems they ousted in primaries.

medicare for all isnt really a winning issue in competitive races. in fact...in a lot of races it was a liability that repubs seized upon (socialism). repubs even tied people to medicare for all when they didnt even support it. and it worked in some cases.

meanwhile...running on obamacare and protecting pre-existing conditions won a lot of races.

progressiveness aint the nationwide elixir people think it is (and i say this as a progressive).

people keep bringing up exciting progressives like beto, gillum, etc but gloss over the fact that these candidates also tend to lose statewide races.

  

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225. "i get your point"
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it is important to tailor your message to your voters. you need to know what to highlight, maybe even what issues to not bring up and deflect.

not every state will react to progressive agendas. i just dont like the cant win argument. if this candidate was more moderate he might had won those extra 5% but they dont consider how much percent he would have lost by doing so. same can be said of why wasnt ___ more progressive.

you have people that are voting R no matter what
you have people that are voting D no matter what
same for some third parties
you have some people that will make up their mind based on specific policies
you have some people that will only vote if a candidate "inspires" them

the last two are the ones that need to be weighted. i think the progressive candidates are going after the folks that usually stay home. in many cases it increased voter turn out greatly.

some candidates are trying to convince R voters to vote for them by supporting R policies but having a D on their name, dont see how that wins.

  

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71. "Why did so many black women (18%) vote for DeSantis?"
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I wasn't paying super close attention to that race, so that number surprised me when I saw it this morning, especially in comparison to black men (8%). Did Gillum say something to turn black women off?

  

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73. "Both of those numbers seem waaaay too high"
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75. "exit polls arent exact science. but florida *always* seems dirty/funny."
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supposedly the potential 1st black gov of fl got like 7% less of the black woman vote than hillary clinton lol.

there was supposedly less of an uptick in young black voter participation in fl than in states like tennessee. and nowhere near stacey abrams.

if we are to believe the results...gillum basically just performed like a generic dem candidate among black people.

i dont even know anymore fam. like these niggas just be stealing elections by combining typical voter suppression with outright falsifying results too lol.

  

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87. "They didn’t get ballots in the mail, so some voters flew to FL to vote..."
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I actually know someone who requested an absentee ballot and never received it. I never suspected it was a widespread thing.

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Updated November 06, 2018 08:51 PM

When Katherine Elliott and her husband realized it was only three days before Election Day and their absentee ballots had yet to arrive in the mail, they did what some other Miami-Dade residents did — they jumped on a plane.

Elliott, along with her husband, Niko Martecchini, moved to New York from Miami Beach in September. About a week before the state deadline, the couple sent in the required affidavit to get their ballots sent to Manhattan.

As it got closer to Election Day, they called the Elections Department, where a staff member promised to mail out a second ballot.

“But they never came, so we just kind of looked at each other and said, ‘We got to do this, we got to go,’ ” Elliott told the Miami Herald in a phone interview. “It would have been too much of a risk not to. Our vote would have gone to waste.”

Elliott is just one of almost a dozen Miami-Dade registered voters who live or work out-of-state interviewed by the Miami Herald Tuesday who said they were boarding airplanes in order to cast their votes, a small sampling of a possible statewide trend.

Some said they flew in from Massachusetts; others, from Texas or New York.

“I requested two ballots. The first one didn’t arrive. I called them and they said they would send another, but neither one arrived,” said Coral Gables voter Ksenia Varolyguina, who flew in from the Boston area. “I wanted to make sure that my vote was counted, so I looked up flights and found one for $200, when they’re normally about $350.”

About three dozen other voters who live in town also told the Herald they didn’t receive their ballots in the mail. The Miami-Dade County Supervisor of Elections Office confirmed that the department has received calls about the issue, but said that it could be for a number of reasons.

“Please note that we must, per state law, send out a vote-by-mail ballot within two business days of the request,” said Robert Rodriguez, the county’s assistant deputy supervisor of elections.

Rodriguez confirmed that several of the voters interviewed by the Herald were mailed ballots. He referred all delivery questions to the U.S. Postal Service, which was not immediately available for comment Tuesday.

But the issue extended far beyond Miami-Dade, voters say. Numerous Broward County voters experienced the same problem. Dinesh McCoy, a New York law student, told the Herald that after requesting his ballot three times by phone, he had to take extra measures.

“I decided to have my dad get me a ballot in person after sending the required signed affidavit to him,” he said. “I then requested a third ballot by phone on Nov 1. I was able to vote only because he FedEx-ed me the third ballot and I FedEx-ed it back to arrive on Monday, at full personal cost.”

One Pinellas County voter told the Herald she drove overnight from Tennessee to make it to the polls in Central Florida.

Annabel Sanz, a journalism and politics student at New York University, called the issue a matter of “voter suppression.” Sanz, a 21-year-old who said she has voted in every local and national election since she was 18, said her ballot never arrived — even though election department workers confirmed that it was mailed to her Oct. 31.

“For over a year, I have been convincing all of my friends and family to vote, especially those who never have before, and I’ve spent so much time researching all of the candidates and amendments and was excited to cast my vote,” Sanz said. “I just think about the generations of women, especially who fought to have their vote count, and for me to have taken all the steps and done everything I could to try to exercise that right, and still be denied, is heartbreaking.”

  

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108. "whooole lotta bullshit. suppression by a thousand cuts."
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76. "That can't be right..."
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>I wasn't paying super close attention to that race, so that
>number surprised me when I saw it this morning, especially in
>comparison to black men (8%). Did Gillum say something to turn
>black women off?

I don't remember him saying anything to turn any black voters off.

This Florida governor election reminds me of the 2016 presidential election. It looked like the Democrat was going to win in a tight, close contest but he loses to a clown who ran a piss poor campaign.

I haven't done a lot of digging yet but the word is that voter turnout in Dade County was low. Could that have made the difference?

  

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83. "More research is needed, but my guess is the latino vote(again)"
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It is unbelievable how the GOP has consistently flipped that community against common sense candidates.

  

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86. "RE: More research is needed, but my guess is the latino vote(again)"
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Good call. Maybe it was the latino voters. I was explaining to my girl this morning that there's a strong contingent of conservative latinos. I think people tend to assume that because they're considered a minority, they're automatically voting with the Dems.

  

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74. "the wrap up"
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GLAD the House is now owned by the Dems. Some of those wins/flips (in TX, IA, and NY) were frankly shocking. Really happy to see two Native women and two Muslim women in our Congress. that was the goal. if they could flip the house, that would be enough for me.

Bummed (and pissed) at some of the losses (and runoffs): Gillum and Abrams (obv), Beto, all the Ohio shit not Sherrod Brown, Phil Robinson and Melody Stewart (LeBron retweeted that one), etc.

some of those losses (like Donnelly in Indiana, Jealous in MD) were some true dumb ass shit. like... dude, you gotta -try-.

Really hate that Steve King and Rick Scott will still have a public office.

but LOL @ the following assholes losing: Scott Walker, Bruce Rauner, Kris Kobach, LePage (Maine)

also glad Dems won governor in Michigan.

like what New York Dems did. Now they own the State Senate. Let's hope Cuomo doesn't find a way to fuck it up. There is no more IDC, so we'll see.

hope we see Beto and Gillum (and Abrams if she don't win the runoff) again.

fuck the GOP for life

I kinda hope Pelosi loses Speaker of the House, she's already talking the dumb shit.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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90. "Damn, Eric Cantor was THISCLOSE to being Speaker"
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and now his old seat is held by a Dem. Way to go, VA.

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92. "died laughing at the Virginia flips -- Poo Poo Snake State caught 2 Ls"
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96. "haha, who is the Poo Poo Snake?"
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97. "reference to how VA has that Gadsden Flag vanity plate"
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the snake on the Gadsden flag = "Poo Poo Snake"

  

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99. "ah, gotcha"
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KiloMcG
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100. "yeah i was glad i was able to vote for that seat."
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Cantor losing a few years ago was great, but not that great because it was to fucking Brat. just the site of his stereotypical republican white ass face made/makes me sick.

  

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131. "Cantor's loss = sparks of pre-trump trumpism"
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Cantor got crushed because of his support for bi-partisan immigration reform (which died with Cantor's loss).

Party was at odds with itself, with one side saying they cant survive as the old white guy party, and the other side doubling down on it. or course we know what happens.

I hated Cantor's bitch ass face, but it was bad that he lost

  

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132. "yeah pretty much, the teaparty used to be a smaller portion of the GOP"
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now it IS the GOP. crap. we didn't know how good we had it at the time....

  

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91. "And McCaskilll got whooped"
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I'm a staunch dem but Fuck her for her Al Franken BULLSHIT.

Franken would have SLAUGHTERED Facebook and Google during those hearings - but someone said he hugged her wrongly and he HAD to go.


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93. "effin' around playing the 'I'm just like them' game"
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94. "LOL, Franken dead-enders are so weird"
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He was a good enough Senator that you guys somehow turned into a guy with the legislative expertise of LBJ and Eugene Debs' progressivism, who also would've remained super popular as more women kept coming forward because reasons.

The woman who replaced him in MN won last night (and it wasn't even close,) even though Very Serious People assured us Minnesota voters would be so LIVID that they would turn against the Dems for an entire generation.

I thought it was all Gilibrand's fault anyway, when did McCaskill the Caravan Stopper even get brought into this?

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125. "Good! (and not good) I never liked her"
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obviously i would have rather she won, but part of me is happy. she's a hack.

  

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146. "she turned off a lot of black voters."
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to the point where her campaign had to beg the naacp to scrounge up black votes.

that prolly did her in more than anything.

  

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109. "im disappointed"
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not exactly surprised. Ten never made sense to me that it would be winnable, Ind would had been surprising. cant ever count on florida (hopefully the 1.4 mil voters help). texas has to be a good shock, you were lying to yourself if you expected beto win. hoped for the win and it really is awesome he got this close. i hope people stay engaged and keep going out to vote, texas might really turn into a swing state.

it made sense the dems would win the house. it was going to be difficult to win the senate and it sucks they actually lost seats. im worried about this.

whats next? gotta keep the pressure on.

  

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98. "What's up with Latino voters. "
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You've seen the breakdown by race and gender, though not quite as terrible as white voters, but they come in closer to white people than Black People.

http://i67.tinypic.com/rkpxcm.jpg


I had a young mexican girl from my office come by and genuinely ask me who she should be voting for by absentee ballot back home in CA.

This is a young gay woman, typically progressive Mellinial, whose parents are lower middleclass, Mexican immigrant parents, trying to figure out who to vote for between Democrats and Republicans.

I say it's an easy decision not because the Dems are so great, but because the Republicans are so awful. It surprised me that she wasn't thinking Repubs suport Trump and building the wall, all republicans are trash.




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101. "Black people seem to be the only racial group that perceive"
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Republicans as completely and totally unacceptable.

Much of the media glossed over the fact that Trump got around a third of the Latinx vote in 2016, even though he more explicitly talked shit about them than about B/black people.

  

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110. "and mostly women. it's about 12-15% of dudes who drink that pee pee"
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104. "We were talking about it a little bit further up the page. "
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There are a LOT of very conservative latinos. I don't know if Catholicism (or other religions) plays into that or not. But the latino vote can't always be counted on to swing towards Dems.

Also, they're not a monolithic group. Cubans in Florida have different priorities than Puerto Ricans or Mexicans or Colombians.

Then you can also break it down into white hispanics, black hispanics, etc.

I've come to realize that they're a very difficult group to pin down.

  

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107. "its such a big category"
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you basically covered it

  

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106. "lots of latinos see themselves as white"
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they look down on the recent immigrants. in many ways a lot of them are white just have that latin/spanish surname.

its disappointing but its reality.

in the end this is all about much more than race. some people are for the cause some are not, regardless of their origins.

thats not to say racism is not a huge problem because it really is.

  

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113. "THIS THIS SO MUCH THIS"
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>they look down on the recent immigrants. in many ways a lot
>of them are white just have that latin/spanish surname.
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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201. "Fuck Them all"
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All latinos can suck my dick if they vote R. They had you guys, brought you into the tent and smiled at you. Then when you wanted leadership positions in the party, crickets. How are they still thinking they will get a fair deal from the Republicans? The Bushes set the GOP up for life and they threw it in the trash. Some people like abuse. That doesn't mean I won't hit them. It just means that I won't take any joy from it.

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115. "this is the reality. whiteness is 'spreading'."
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you know how people keep bringing up stats that show america will become a majority minority nation by 20xx? those are bullshit (and just contribute to white fear/survivalism).

they limit 'white' to strictly white non-hispanics. but most white hispanics are just as white as white people.

whiteness will always find a way to adapt and survive.

the same way the irish, italians, polish, etc were once seen as 'others' at one time in history but are now considered 'white'? the same thing is happening with a lot of hispanics. those folks dont view themselves as oppositional minorities in the least.



  

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121. "eventually some black people will be white"
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its really more about greedy rich folks and people they can get to push their agenda. its easy to push white european vs everyone else right now. thats growing into asian and latino but at some point it probably wont be called white anymore. i dont know what term it will be but the goal will be the same.

  

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130. "repubs are making a direct political play for asians"
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basically focused around education and college admissions. framing affirmative action and diversity recruitment as overly preferential to less qualified black and latino people at the expense of your more qualified asian son.

theres a lawsuit against harvard based on this.

  

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133. "and they'll get em"
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they aren't part of "them over there" either.

  

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139. "no doubt."
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151. "Asians are also very much not a monolith"
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there was a good piece in the NYer last month about the anti-affirmative action lawsuits. This has been a pipe dream of conservatives for a while (eg Becky with the bad grades), but they've been able to breathe new life into it after tapping into organizations that rely heavily on support from well-off Chinese (recent) immigrants.

It's clearly a much smaller group than Hispanics, but there are many big differences between people with East/South Asian backgrounds (and sub-groups within those), and conservatives will likely pounce on some

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117. "Well that's why I brought up the young Mexican girl. "
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Because she would consider herself superdown and progressive (did the woman's march) but really didn't have that strong reaction to the GOP brand the way black people do.

I thought the GOP was nuts when they did that autopsy report that said Latinos are gettable for the GOP party and I thought they were crazy. And I thought it was definitely true after Trump start talking about a wall and immigration.

And yet, they are still very gettable by GOPers. SMH.


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120. "some people are just ignorant"
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not everyone is engaged. im pretty sure i just over heard my office mate talking about she didnt vote because she thinks she isnt registered. seemed like she was at least acting like she wanted beto to win.

  

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124. "Dems have to stop assuming it's all about immigration for them"
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122. "what do you make of conservative states expanding liberal programs"
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maybe progressives need to start a new party and call it the american patriot party and just run on the same policies. leave democrat and socialist out of the name. call all the initiatives super american sounding names where if you are opposed to them you look like an american/jesus hater.

Red-State Voters Expanded Medicaid, Legalized Marijuana, and Increased the Minimum Wage on Tuesday Night

https://slate.com/business/2018/11/red-state-voters-medicaid-expansion-legalized-marijuana-increased-minimum-wage.html

On Tuesday night, voters in the state of Utah elected Mitt Romney, America’s face of traditional Mormon conservatism, to the U.S. Senate. While at it, they also backed a ballot initiative to legalize medical marijuana that had been opposed by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and they chose to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, which has been a core policy battleground between Democrats and Republicans for almost a decade now.

Versions of this story played out all through the night as progressive ballot initiatives on marijuana, the minimum wage, voting rights, and Medicaid passed in red and blue states alike—a reminder that even in parts of the country where Democratic politicians aren’t popular, many of their issues very much still are.

Along with Utah, blood-red Idaho and Nebraska also embraced Medicaid expansion. Between the three, more than 300,000 lower income Americans could become eligible for coverage under the program.

Over in the Ozarks, Missouri residents voted to gradually increase the state’s minimum wage to $12 an hour and to legalize medical marijuana, all while sending moderate Democrat Sen. Claire McCaskill packing in favor of the state’s conservative attorney general, Josh Hawley. With its left hand, Arkansas passed a minimum wage hike —to $11 by 2021. With its right, it re-elected Gov. Asa Hutchinson, a Republican who had opposed the measure.

Purplish Michigan, which sent a Democrat to the governor’s mansion this year, opted to legalize recreational marijuana.

Meanwhile, Florida, which broke Democrats’ hearts in a pair of close elections for governor and Senate, also passed a felon re-enfranchisement bill restoring voting rights to 1.4 million individuals—giving progressives an iota of hope for the Sunshine State’s future. It was a reasonably solid night for voting rights and good government initiatives elsewhere too: Colorado and Michigan both adopted nonpartisan redistricting commissions to avoid congressional gerrymandering in the future; a handful of states passed automatic or same-day voter registration.

The point here isn’t that Americans are somehow hypocrites or misguided for supporting Democratic priorities while voting against actual Democratic politicians. Issues like immigration, gun rights, and abortion loom large (often, largest) in red states, after all. It’s perfectly comprehensible that a Trump-loving voter in Arkansas or Missouri might vote for the guy with an R by his name, while supporting higher wages.

Progressive ballot initiatives didn’t sweep the night either. Montana decided to discontinue its Medicaid expansion, after a initiative that would have funded it with cigarette taxes failed. Medical marijuana appears to have gone down in North Dakota. Voter ID initiatives passed in Arkansas and North Carolina.

Still, it’ s a reminder that good chunks of the Democratic agenda are fundamentally pretty well-liked. As red states embraced Medicaid expansion, Democrats retook the House on a campaign focused largely on maintaining protections for Americans with pre-existing health conditions—a reminder that Americans like most things about Obamacare these days, except the name. The campaign to up the minimum wage keeps notching wins. Marijuana is legal for medical use in 33 states, and for recreational use in 10. And in some key states, allowing people to vote is still apparently considered a good idea.

Health care, higher wages, and getting high: Democrats could pick a worse platform for 2020.

  

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123. "I wonder if the Dems have a rural strategy..."
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The Dems have struggled with branding/message for years.

It took a once-in-a-generation candidate (from a charisma and historical perspective), and the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression, for Dems to run the table.

It was gone in two years.


I'm sure the article is spot on in that certain voters just won't vote for a Dem because abortion and or guns, but Dems could certainly help themselves by improving the brand and simplifying their message.

Some of these initiatives passing is encouraging, but I am curious what the Dem plan is to win more rural votes for candidates...

  

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128. "If we could somehow run disembodied policy ideas for office"
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that would be dope.

Having a D next to your name is just too much for people in a lot of this country.

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138. "yeah its really just about poisonous partisanship."
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red state voters support liberal policies (the polls say as much) but then vote in politicians who run in opposition to those policies.

like the reason these things had to even be ballot measures is because many of those same voters consistently vote for governors and state legislatures who refuse to pass them.

funny to see how much red staters support obamacare once obama is out of office.

  

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158. "Was just talking to someone about this this morning."
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>red state voters support liberal policies (the polls say as
>much) but then vote in politicians who run in opposition to
>those policies.
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>like the reason these things had to even be ballot measures is
>because many of those same voters consistently vote for
>governors and state legislatures who refuse to pass them.
>
>funny to see how much red staters support obamacare once obama
>is out of office.

I read an article about how most Republican voters prefer liberal policies but conservative politicians.

They are so fucking stupid.

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129. "I completely forgot Romney was going to the Senate"
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can't wait for Trump to say/do something crazy and Mitt to stand up and say it's disappointing or not helpful. Paul Ryan, you are no longer needed.

  

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126. "I didn't know Mia Love (R-Utah) got knocked off too. (swipe)"
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The Republicans lose their 1st black female congresswoman. I hadn't heard much about after she was elected.

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In his first press conference since the heated 2018 midterm elections, President Donald Trump mocked Republican candidates who lost their elections on Tuesday after refusing to “embrace” him and his administration.

“Mia Love gave me no love. And she lost. Too bad. Sorry about that, Mia,” Trump said while giving remarks at the White House on Wednesday. The president touted Republican success in the Senate while blaming the loss of the House to retiring GOP lawmakers and the “hostile” media.

Love was running for reelection in Utah’s 4th Congressional District but was defeated by Democrat Ben McAdams. The lawmaker was the first black female Republican elected to Congress and the first Haitian-American elected to Congress from the state of Utah.

McAdams, the mayor of Salt Lake City, was leading Love by nearly three percentage points as of 7 a.m. on Wednesday morning. The win would be a surprising upset in a state that Trump dominated in 2016, beating Hillary Clinton by 18 points.

Love wasn’t the only losing Republican to be criticized by Trump. The president also lamented the losses of Carlos Curbelo, Barbara Comstock, Peter Roskam and Mike Coffman.

“You had some that decided to say ‘let’s stay away,’” Trump said of GOP candidates who rejected his presidency and his the support of his administration. “They did very poorly. I’m not sure if I should be happy or sad, but I feel just fine about it.”

Curbelo, a veteran congressman from Florida, lost a tough re-election campaign to Debbie Mucarsel-Powell by about two percentage points. Curbelo was a top Republican on climate change and pushed for better protections for undocumented immigrants, rejecting the Trump administrations hardline immigration stance that resulted in family separations and detention centers.

Roskam served as a representative since 2007 but lost his reelection bid to Democrat Sean Casten in Illinois’s 6th Congressional District. Trump said that Roskam “didn’t want the embrace” and that lead to his defeat on Tuesday evening.

Comstock was blown out of the water on Tuesday night, losing to her Democratic challenger Jennifer Wexton by 13 percentage points in the race for the House in Virginia’s 10th Congressional District.

“I think she could have won that race but she didn’t want to have any embrace, for that, I don’t blame her,” Trump said.

“Those are some of the people who decided for their own reason decided not to embrace, whether it’s me or what we stand for,” Trump said. “But what we stand for meant a lot to most people. We’ve had tremendous support.”

  

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134. "RE: I didn't know Mia Love got knocked off too."
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i saw that scene, it wasn't that great.

  

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135. "I was confused at first then it hit me. LMAO! "
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I could have phrased that much better.

  

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136. "all i can think about is pron whenever i hear/see her name."
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140. "lol this dude is unreal"
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He's fine with republicans losing who didn't kiss his ass?


Hopefully Dems get better at utilizing his stupidity/ego.

  

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150. "it's really all about him. he doesn't care about anything else."
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168. "He is super petty. But I think he is somewhat right."
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The republican party is Trump now. Republican voters want the same things Trump wants. They approve of the way he acts, the things he says, the things he does.

If you explicitly distance yourself from him, what are you doing? You are cutting yourself off from the a large portion of Republican voters.
Where are you going to make up the loss? By getting democrats to switch over? Cmon.

If you are a republican, the only way to survive is to go full Trump. There is no room for moderates or Trump critics.

This doesn't necessarily explain Mia Love's loss. She had issues of her own outside the Trump criticism. But I don't think it helped.

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202. "Nah. Hogan in MD don't mess with him."
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Don't fall for the gaslight.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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210. "The northeastern republican governors are outliers. They are true modera..."
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They successfully bring democrats on board somehow. And they don't have large numbers of Trump/republican base in their populations. So they are safe in distancing themselves from Trump.

But the rest of the country is so polarized, I can't see a winning strategy for a republican being playing to the middle. There's very little constituency there.

Trump has killed many political careers by calling them out. He can also boost them up too. His rallies for the candidates had a big effect in my opinion.

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209. "this is not exactly accurate"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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211. "lol"
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137. "Tester survives in Montana"
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Good for Dems

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147. "I can't wait to see what Adam Schiff does"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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152. "the funniest thing running through my twitter timeline"
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this dude tim canova challenged debbie wasserman-schultz 2 years ago in the dem primary and lost. dude was a bernie-backed candidate and a star among that crowd for challenging the (former) head of the dnc.

dude has hung on to a vendetta against her for 2 years following that defeat. has been completely obsessed with her (along with his followers). spewing all typsa conspiracy theories about her and her tech aide and some server and foreign spy ties and so on. its hard to distinguish them from trump trolls/bots.

dude became so unhinged that bernie wouldnt even touch him.

he decided to run for the same seat again but as an independent instead of in the dem primary. so even if he lost...he still might be able to spoil a win for wasserman-schultz.

well dude only got around 5% of the vote and wasserman-schultz cruised to victory. now him and his followers are claiming election fraud. over a 5% vote fam.

lmaoooo this shit done had me chuckling all morning.


  

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171. "That guy was actually the first person I heard the name Seth Rich from"
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That was maybe the most vile conspiracy of the 2016 election and he deserves to be a pariah for pushing it.

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263. "horseshoe theory in full effect."
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153. "Sessions gone"
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154. "here we go."
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155. "this is bad news re:Mueller but still, l o l at Sessions"
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gave up his Senate seat (that Dems picked up) then was humiliated on Twitter for two years before being dumped there too

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159. "I think everything is already in motion"
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but we shall see.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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160. "You mean for Trump to can the investigation or ..."
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... you think Mueller's got his ducks in a line ?

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162. "Mueller had to know this was a possibility..."
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45 is gonna try to install some yes-man who will do whatever he can to stop the investigation. Mueller is too sharp to not know that might happen.

He's gotta have an ace up his sleeve.

  

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163. "Yeah, I think Muller is already finished. "
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And I think he will refer to state AGs matters that he might not be able to see to fruition.


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165. "Man I hope you guys are right."
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Cause I'm worried that the dude in the post below is right, that this shit will be shut down within the week and everyone will be given pardons.

But as Marbles said, Mueller is too damn smart and hopefully planned ahead for exactly that. Fingers fucking CROSSED.


>And I think he will refer to state AGs matters that he might
>not be able to see to fruition.
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>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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167. "mueller has to get stuff like that approved"
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by whoever is overseeing the investigation. rosenstein approved the last referral (cohen) to the sdny.

the new guy aint doing that.

  

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164. "Sessions's interim replacement has written that Mueller has "gone too fa..."
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I'm betting the investigation will be shut down within the week.

No report, obviously no indictments. Pardons for anyone who has been indicted or pled. It's just done.

The House committee will start from scratch, and probably get nowhere.

  

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169. "Does control go to this new guy? Or does it stay with Rosenstein?"
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Since the new person doesn't have to recuse himself.

Nevermind, it might actually be a moot question. Apparently Rosenstein is on his way to the White House.

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172. "temporarily goes to him but it wont last.."
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170. "and bcz he wrote that he really cant oversee shit,,,"
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he will be asked to recuse himself...

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173. "rosenstein is about to be fired in a few minutes (meeting with trump)."
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if whitaker recuses then noel francisco would take over.

francisco worked for the law firm representing trump in the mueller probe lol. under normal circumstances he would have to recuse himself too. but an executive order waiver was unearthed a few days ago that exempted francisco from the ethics requirements.

shit. whitaker might have an ethics waiver too.\

we are in full on banana republic mode at this point.

  

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174. "i really cant see a vet like mueller not preparing for this day..."
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177. "fam its time to take the blinders off."
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aint no guaranteed happy ending here.

these are the consequences that countries face when the citizenry is uninformed/disengaged. they set the stage for these chains of events.

we fucked up when we let trump anywhere near the white house.

voter suppression. obstructed investigations in broad daylight. subservient party/congress. state run propaganda outlets.

welcome to a banana republic. we have a dictator now.

  

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186. "I can't begin to understand people who STILL think"
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things will happen according to norms.

"Mueller dog comin" has literally been a rallying cry for what, 18 months???


I used to admire the optimism...now I want to scream "wake up!"

  

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188. "Mueller can't save us"
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He can possibly impair Trump, but the investigation can't save this damn country and the fact that about 40% of the country wants white supremacy and authoritarianism.

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192. "hope springs eternal i guess."
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we are in for some shit.

some generational shit.

  

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212. "funny that yall niggas think trump is smarter than mueller.."
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and he didnt see this shit coming 6 months ago.

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215. "what does being smarter than trump have anything to do with it?"
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everyone is smarter than trump. how has that worked out so far?

the president has vast amounts of authority that a special counsel doesnt.

to put it in simpler terms...the special counsel is essentially an employee under an employee under a branch of government (executive) that is directly under the president.

the suspect has control over the criminal investigation into him.

getting rid of sessions was the 3rd rail like a year ago. now trump did it and theres pretty much a collective shrug. to add an extra pinch of complete corruption to it...he replaced him in the immediate term with someone who publicly said he wanted to obstruct the probe.

what in any of this makes you think mueller is still gonna be able to come through?

  

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216. "lmao you really think someone that publically commented on this case"
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amd has people on trial in this case os going to fly? lmao no

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217. "HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SAID THAT IN THE LAST 2 YEARS"
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"Oh that ain't gonna fly"

Then it did.

And it did again.

Then the next thing flew.

Then everything else.

This isn't a normal presidency. This isn't a normal moment in time. all pre-existing norms are out the fucking window.

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219. "i dont know what you said in the last two years. get the fk outta panic ..."
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mode and stop yelling at me like some fkng idiot. i'm going to invest my coins in an FBI vet more than i'm going to assume that a slimy criminal is going to just continuously keep getting away with shit..have some fucking nuts when you talk to me instead of being scared.

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223. "OOOOKKKK tough guy."
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For the record, I wasn't yelling at you ... the caps were for effect/out of frustration.

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238. "Bruh, you still on time out of that wack ass prediction 2 years ago. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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239. "LANDSLIDE"
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lol

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240. "Ha well to be fair the majority of thinking humans ..."
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... predicted that as well. No one thought dude stood a chance.

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243. "and? so what? you may have thought he had a chance to win..but "
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you aint think he was going to win either...fk outta here with that

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228. "Who gon check him?"
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Who is going to say no?

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229. "Correct."
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230. "Honest question...lets say he doesn't and he obstructs justice"
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Who is going to charge him?


I don't think its fair for you to go around telling people to have some nuts (as if things were in our control) and/or get out of panic mode.

Bottom line man?

People have kept saying "there is no way XX happens"...and then it does.

There is no way he wins the nomination....there is no way he wins the election...he won't last a year...he won't run for reelection...Mueller comin...etc etc.

People keep expecting something normal to happen- and it doesn't.

Even the election this week- yes there were a lot of positives, but his party gained seats in the senate- and did well where he went to help campaign.

So now, he is emboldened and the GOP is actually more dependent on him.

They didn't check him when they had a slight majority, now they have a larger majority that you could actually credit to him.

They are less likely (if that is possible) to check Trumpolini.


So what is to stop Trump's replacement from shutting the investigation down, and Trump just pardoning everyone labeling it all a political witch hunt and hoax??

The Senate? They need him to get elected- Trump is the GOP.


The conservative Supreme Court? His most recent nominee refused to recuse himself already, and no doubt would enjoy a little payback to the mean left who made him answer questions.


No one is arguing Mueller's competence, what we would like to know is how do you see this playing out that makes you so confident?

  

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232. "Facts."
In response to Reply # 230


          

Otherwise smart people's refusal to acknowledge what's right in front of us is the scariest part of all this.


>Who is going to charge him?
>
>
>I don't think its fair for you to go around telling people to
>have some nuts (as if things were in our control) and/or get
>out of panic mode.
>
>Bottom line man?
>
>People have kept saying "there is no way XX happens"...and
>then it does.
>
>There is no way he wins the nomination....there is no way he
>wins the election...he won't last a year...he won't run for
>reelection...Mueller comin...etc etc.
>
>People keep expecting something normal to happen- and it
>doesn't.
>
>Even the election this week- yes there were a lot of
>positives, but his party gained seats in the senate- and did
>well where he went to help campaign.
>
>So now, he is emboldened and the GOP is actually more
>dependent on him.
>
>They didn't check him when they had a slight majority, now
>they have a larger majority that you could actually credit to
>him.
>
>They are less likely (if that is possible) to check
>Trumpolini.
>
>
>So what is to stop Trump's replacement from shutting the
>investigation down, and Trump just pardoning everyone labeling
>it all a political witch hunt and hoax??
>
>The Senate? They need him to get elected- Trump is the GOP.
>
>
>
>The conservative Supreme Court? His most recent nominee
>refused to recuse himself already, and no doubt would enjoy a
>little payback to the mean left who made him answer questions.
>
>
>
>No one is arguing Mueller's competence, what we would like to
>know is how do you see this playing out that makes you so
>confident?
>
>

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233. "do folks think he fired Session because he was late to work?"
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He took long lunches? Didn't respect the dress code?


He fired Sessions because Sessions recused. That is literally the only disagreement they have/had.


Why would he put in a replacement who would recuse? He's been bitching about it (with no shame) that "his AG" recused.


  

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237. "Right lol? Like that's not going to be his first interview question"
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>
>
>Why would he put in a replacement who would recuse? He's been
>bitching about it (with no shame) that "his AG" recused.
>
>
>

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245. "everyone knows why sessions was fired. are you just now finding out?"
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sessions has been on the hot seat every since he didnt recuse. are you late to the party?? so whats your point. nothing has to happen in the next month or 6 months. you are all basing everything happening right now. It wont.

>



>He took long lunches? Didn't respect the dress code?
>
>
>He fired Sessions because Sessions recused. That is literally
>the only disagreement they have/had.
>
>
>Why would he put in a replacement who would recuse? He's been
>bitching about it (with no shame) that "his AG" recused.
>
>
>

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246. "You're all over the map tough guy...answer some questions"
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Thu Nov-08-18 01:43 PM by Stadiq

          

So is Whitaker going to recuse or not?

I'm not late to the party but, unlike you, I'm still sober enough to think logically and talk this out.

You, so you can pretend you have bigger nuts: "He'll recuse"

Sane people, not insecure about nut size: "Why would he recuse, when not recusing is the exact reason Sessions got fired?"



You, unable to detect sarcasm: "Sessions was fired because he didn't recuse, are you late to the party?"

Sane people, who enjoy sarcasm: "No shit. So why would Whitaker recuse if that is what got Sessions fired?"

You, seemingly changing you entire argument: "Justice will come out eventually...6 months...a year"




Sane people, who have paid attention the last two years: "So who will charge him with obstruction?"

You, having no answer but still pre-occupied with people having nuts: "Have some nuts"


Look, just answer the questions.


Do you still think Whitaker will recuse, even though that is what got Sessions fired?


If not, WHO SPECIFICALLY is going to charge him with obstruction?



It is really odd you are accusing people of being late to the party and/or not having nuts. You have very confident beliefs on things, but are unable to answer basic questions...

  

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248. "RE: You're all over the map tough guy...answer some questions"
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>So is Whitaker going to recuse or not?
>
>I'm not late to the party but, unlike you, I'm still sober
>enough to think logically and talk this out.
>
>You, so you can pretend you have bigger nuts: "He'll recuse"
>
>Sane people, not insecure about nut size: "Why would he
>recuse, when not recusing is the exact reason Sessions got
>fired?"
>
>
>
>You, unable to detect sarcasm: "Sessions was fired because he
>didn't recuse, are you late to the party?"
>
>Sane people, who enjoy sarcasm: "No shit. So why would
>Whitaker recuse if that is what got Sessions fired?"
>
>You, seemingly changing you entire argument: "Justice will
>come out eventually...6 months...a year"
>
>
>
>
>Sane people, who have paid attention the last two years: "So
>who will charge him with obstruction?"
>
>You, having no answer but still pre-occupied with people
>having nuts: "Have some nuts"
>
>
>Look, just answer the questions.
>
>
>Do you still think Whitaker will recuse, even though that is
>what got Sessions fired?

if he dont he will be charged with obstruction



>
>If not, WHO SPECIFICALLY is going to charge him with
>obstruction?


whomever the AG is after the mess bro. You silly if you think people arent going to held accountable at some point for obstructing justice . Who has ever gotten away with that?




>It is really odd you are accusing people of being late to the
>party and/or not having nuts. You have very confident beliefs
>on things, but are unable to answer basic questions...
>
>

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261. "Dog, I'm done. Enjoy your optimism, for real but"
In response to Reply # 248


          


if you are going to be so confident and condescending to people, you should be able to give a straight answer.

Sessions was fired because he recused.

It stands to reason Trumps next pick (Whitaker, as well as the official pick) won't recuse.

I'm going to assume you finally agree on that point (?)


So your point now is that Whitaker or whoever will be charged with obstruction of justice once the good guys take over, right?

So...2-6 years if we're lucky?...Ok.


**Disclaimer: This post has no hidden meaning with regard to my nuts, your nuts, Muellers large brain, or Trump's tiny brain.

  

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250. "WORD."
In response to Reply # 246


          

What about the last 2 years has given you any hope that our "checks and balances" have any chance ?

I mean shit, I hope LA is right. We all do, obviously. But it's kind of blind faith on his part at this point. Nothing about what has happened and is still currently happening gives me any reason to believe that Trump et al's momentum will ever slow down, now or in the future. Even the midterms were kind of a letdown despite taking the House.


>So is Whitaker going to recuse or not?
>
>I'm not late to the party but, unlike you, I'm still sober
>enough to think logically and talk this out.
>
>You, so you can pretend you have bigger nuts: "He'll recuse"
>
>Sane people, not insecure about nut size: "Why would he
>recuse, when not recusing is the exact reason Sessions got
>fired?"
>
>
>
>You, unable to detect sarcasm: "Sessions was fired because he
>didn't recuse, are you late to the party?"
>
>Sane people, who enjoy sarcasm: "No shit. So why would
>Whitaker recuse if that is what got Sessions fired?"
>
>You, seemingly changing you entire argument: "Justice will
>come out eventually...6 months...a year"
>
>
>
>
>Sane people, who have paid attention the last two years: "So
>who will charge him with obstruction?"
>
>You, having no answer but still pre-occupied with people
>having nuts: "Have some nuts"
>
>
>Look, just answer the questions.
>
>
>Do you still think Whitaker will recuse, even though that is
>what got Sessions fired?
>
>
>If not, WHO SPECIFICALLY is going to charge him with
>obstruction?
>
>
>
>It is really odd you are accusing people of being late to the
>party and/or not having nuts. You have very confident beliefs
>on things, but are unable to answer basic questions...
>
>

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251. "BREW!! dont panic dogg...Read this thread below"
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https://twitter.com/SpicyFiles/status/1060590056795238401


hes not getting away with any of this shit...maybe for the moment..but the truth will come out. and if they keep digging deeper holes . ie destroying evidence...alot of people will be going to jail if they are not already


i cant believe yall niggas really think Trump is outsmarting someone

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252. "Haha I appreciate you, man."
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>https://twitter.com/SpicyFiles/status/1060590056795238401
>
>
>hes not getting away with any of this shit...maybe for the
>moment..but the truth will come out. and if they keep digging
>deeper holes . ie destroying evidence...alot of people will be
>going to jail if they are not already
>
>
>i cant believe yall niggas really think Trump is outsmarting
>someone

I'll check that out.

But for the record - I don't think anyone is worried that Trump, himself, is outsmarting everyone. It's the fact that the GOP fell in line because he is allowing them to show their true colors, and THEY can outsmart people. They are all equally awful, just were more covert until Trump came along. Now they can be out in the open and their followers are shamelessly devoted to them til the end. THAT'S what's scary. Not Trump, it's McConnell, and Graham, and their ilk, that worry me. Because they are smart and have power and can actually muddy the waters.

But again, I hope you are right. I hope to god. Cause for 2 years it's only gotten worse.

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253. "Just read the thread. Still doesn't really put me at ease."
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Thu Nov-08-18 03:17 PM by Brew

          

But again, I hope it's all correct. I trust Mueller. I just don't trust the system. But I do believe that he has his ducks in a line, guy is brilliant and has seen it all before.

I just don't trust that the backlash necessary to wipe these fucks off the planet will come to fruition. Remember, the only reason Nixon stepped down was because the public and congressional backlash was such that he had no choice. Those checks and balances aren't present currently, IMO.

EDIT: just saw all the documents in his f/u tweets. I'm starting to feel a little better. The "matter of national security" part is obviously reassuring. Think everyone realized this clown was a national security risk from day 1 it was just a matter of laying it all out.

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254. "these dudes are a walk in the park for mueller..and remember"
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NONE of the snitches have been sentenced....whomever is complicit in any of this including mcconnell, pence, ryan they all could be going if they knew...its going to get deeper than this when they start getting into that russian NRA money and campaign contributions... pretty sure this isnt ending with trump

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255. "Word. I promised myself a while ago I'd stop riding the emotional ..."
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... rollercoaster but you've suddenly given me some hope.


>NONE of the snitches have been sentenced....whomever is
>complicit in any of this including mcconnell, pence, ryan they
>all could be going if they knew...its going to get deeper than
>this when they start getting into that russian NRA money and
>campaign contributions... pretty sure this isnt ending with
>trump

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260. "homeboy isn't paying attention, man"
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He thinks its about who is smarter than Trump, or who has nuts lol


He also went from "Whitaker will recuse" to "well, if he doesn't, he will get charged" to "if he doesn't, he will be charged....in a few years"

K

Well, assuming Dems can win an election, Trump will be out of office in a few years...right? So what is "Mueller commin" for until then?


Obviously we all want these assholes in prison. No doubt.


But the situation is more urgent than that. And, the Mueller thing is often framed as "the Trumps about to go down"....is "about" 4 years? 5?

How much damage can be done until then? And, how long is 'Murrica's memory?


The other thing, is that the idea of "well, in 2-6 years when there is a Dem president, you'll see...there will be charges" assumes that Democrats will a)win and b)prosecute/investigate the previous admin.

They let the Bush admin completely off the hook.


There's optimism and then there is being reckless. The fact that dude has changed his position, can't answer a straight question, AND couldn't tell I was joking with the "do they think Sessions was fired for being late to work?" comment tells me he isn't exactly a strong source for logical optimism.


Oh, and in general, I always L O L when I see folks on the left waiting for the motherfucking FBI to be the hero.

They fucked America as recently as October, 2016.

  

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262. "i said he will recuse or hes going to jail ...wake up lil fella"
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read the thread and stop whining like a lil beeyotch about me and what i said. i dont give a single fk about your sarcasm. dont post it under my thread if you dont want a comment. Youre right i'm going to assume that the head of the FBI working with multiple snitches is going to prevail over some loose cannon con man loser who doesnt know wtf hes doing and isnt taking any advice from anyone with any sense. yeah you right im going to put my eggs in that basket. Nobody has changed positions. keep up ..you trying to chime in with sarcasm and dont know wtf is going on. You in here assuming that the crooked GOP is going to be in power forever. Its not. Someone is going to be held accountable for obstructing justice and probably a helluva lot more. You obviously dont know how snitching works.


>
>He thinks its about who is smarter than Trump, or who has nuts
>lol
>
>
>He also went from "Whitaker will recuse" to "well, if he
>doesn't, he will get charged" to "if he doesn't, he will be
>charged....in a few years"
>
>K
>
>Well, assuming Dems can win an election, Trump will be out of
>office in a few years...right? So what is "Mueller commin"
>for until then?
>
>
>Obviously we all want these assholes in prison. No doubt.
>
>
>But the situation is more urgent than that. And, the Mueller
>thing is often framed as "the Trumps about to go down"....is
>"about" 4 years? 5?
>
>How much damage can be done until then? And, how long is
>'Murrica's memory?
>
>
>The other thing, is that the idea of "well, in 2-6 years when
>there is a Dem president, you'll see...there will be charges"
>assumes that Democrats will a)win and b)prosecute/investigate
>the previous admin.
>
>They let the Bush admin completely off the hook.
>
>
>There's optimism and then there is being reckless. The fact
>that dude has changed his position, can't answer a straight
>question, AND couldn't tell I was joking with the "do they
>think Sessions was fired for being late to work?" comment
>tells me he isn't exactly a strong source for logical
>optimism.
>
>
>Oh, and in general, I always L O L when I see folks on the
>left waiting for the motherfucking FBI to be the hero.
>
>They fucked America as recently as October, 2016.
>
>

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247. "nvm"
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Thu Nov-08-18 01:50 PM by Stadiq

          

...

  

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244. "RE: Honest question...lets say he doesn't and he obstructs justice"
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>
>Who is going to charge him?

if he obstructs justice hes going to be charged when all the other shit comes out. he'll be part of the bucket of niggas charged. yall niggas think this is a quck process and everything has to be done now. it doesnt. if he values his career he will do the right thing
>
>
>I don't think its fair for you to go around telling people to
>have some nuts (as if things were in our control) and/or get
>out of panic mode.


again. have some fkng nuts and get out of panic mode.

>Bottom line man?
>
>People have kept saying "there is no way XX happens"...and
>then it does.
>
>There is no way he wins the nomination....there is no way he
>wins the election...he won't last a year...he won't run for
>reelection...Mueller comin...etc etc.
>
>People keep expecting something normal to happen- and it
>doesn't.
>
>Even the election this week- yes there were a lot of
>positives, but his party gained seats in the senate- and did
>well where he went to help campaign.
>
>So now, he is emboldened and the GOP is actually more
>dependent on him.
>
>They didn't check him when they had a slight majority, now
>they have a larger majority that you could actually credit to
>him.
>
>They are less likely (if that is possible) to check
>Trumpolini.
>
>
>So what is to stop Trump's replacement from shutting the
>investigation down, and Trump just pardoning everyone labeling
>it all a political witch hunt and hoax??
>
>The Senate? They need him to get elected- Trump is the GOP.
>
>
>
>The conservative Supreme Court? His most recent nominee
>refused to recuse himself already, and no doubt would enjoy a
>little payback to the mean left who made him answer questions.

theres was no hard proof for Kav to recuse himself. No public statements . Did he write an article and go on CNN talking bout how he used to party with his dick out???


>
>No one is arguing Mueller's competence, what we would like to
>know is how do you see this playing out that makes you so
>confident?
>


I see it playing out with justice winning in the end. Just like with Nixon. LMAO at you niggas thinking Trump is going to get away with colluding with Russia and blatant obstruction of justice. At some point someone is going to be accountable.

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180. "Asked to recuse, by whom?"
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Nobody but the President could force him to recuse, and he obviously won't. Nobody forced Sessions to recuse, he just (surprisingly) did the right thing.

  

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213. "unless he wants to go to jail for obstruction of justice..he will recuse"
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himself...dude has people he worked for who are sworn witnesses in the case... he outta there

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231. "who is going to charge him with obstruction of justice? "
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242. "nobody right now. but it will happen down the road bro"
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yall niggas are crazy if you think hes just going to get waya with that. this administration isnt going to be in power forever..and the charges will come to light.

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189. "can the House subpoena records, witnesses, investigators, etc"
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from the investigation/team?

If this goes down like the way we think it is going down, it seems the Dems could then start their own investigation which would be much more public, no?


And if they can subpoena all that stuff, then they really wouldn't be starting from scratch.


Is there something I am missing?

  

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196. "what if repubs dont hand over congress?"
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what if dems do take over the house in jan and nobody from the administration complies with requests for information or subpoenas?

we are in uncharted territory here with seemingly no real guardrails except pinkie swears to higher oaths.

i assume these types of things would head to the supreme court...

...but they lowkey have already started covering for the trump administration.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/22/politics/wilbur-ross-deposition-block-supreme-court/index.html

  

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175. "You know this new Senate isn't going to hold the line on their threats"
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They used to have a firm line. "No firing Sessions. We will give you a hard time getting a new AG confirmed"

Not gonna happen. There's a new Lindsey Graham and he is now Trumpy as all get out

https://twitter.com/natemcdermott/status/1060269405718937608

@mkraju is reporting that Republicans on capitol hill are reacting to Sessions's resignation with "a collective shrug".

Big change from last year when we had headlines like this and Lindsay Graham was saying there would be "Holy hell to pay" if Trump fired Sessions

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184. "this all makes me think that shit leads to more than trump."
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nra, rnc, some people in congress, donors, etc.

the party is now protecting *itself*.

  

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178. "It's like there wasn't even a big election yesterday lol"
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The news flipped on a dime.

Trump out here controlling the news cycle again

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157. "fam we have 2 months to go until the next term of congress starts."
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do you know how much crazy is gonna take place until then?

  

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161. "on the next season of "No reall, what the fuck is going on"..."
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166. "What I’ve learned in the last thirty minutes"
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Nobody knows what’s going on
Everyone is panicked
Those that are carrying on confidence are basing it on levels of certainty and trust that really have no basis in facts, only hope.

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176. "I thought we might get at least a few days of non-insanity. stupid me"
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Trump really ready to burn this shit all the way down.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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179. "if i was hillary clinton...i would flee the country."
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im not even kidding.

  

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181. "Soooo is the take away we go super progressive or Moderate in 2020?"
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182. "nigga there is no 2020 lol."
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do you not know whats going on right now? lol.

  

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183. "might want to head towards the borders before CAN/MEX put up walls"
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185. "i seriously think we might get locked in this bitch."
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from the inside.

  

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194. "Republicans already told you they're not going to abandon their party"
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203. "btw a serious answer to your question. super progressives dont win."
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not in enough states to carry an electoral college majority.

you know how many 'our revolution' endorsed candidates flipped red seats to blue last night? 0.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dont-let-progressives-fool-you-moderate-democrats-can-win/2018/11/07/37648218-e2b1-11e8-ab2c-b31dcd53ca6b_story.html

im sure we will get plenty of hot takes from places like vox and thenation telling us the dems party needs to go further left tho.

  

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187. "cable news is basically covering this like a sporting event."
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what this means in terms of dems vs repubs.

no discussion about the ramifications for america/democracy.

  

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190. "full on sportscenter"
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191. "RE: cable news is basically covering this like a sporting event."
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man, NBC seemed almost giddy last night at the Senate results.

They all had "divided government" hard ons, man.


I typically don't watch national news, but shit was unreal.

Brushed over stuff like Kemp cooking the books in GA too.


  

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199. "this shit is entertaining to them and highly profitable."
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most of them are rich and insulated. so most of this shit doesnt even affect them.

i almost hope trump goes full dictator and starts throwing journalists\hosts in jail. let them suffer for their arrogance.

  

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193. "seriously somebody just take chuck schumer out the back of the barn"
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and shoot him.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1060280006323175425

dude is like a pullstring doll with these stock reactions.

  

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195. "I miss Harry Reid"
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He wasn't always the best but at least he wasn't constantly waiting for the GOP to wake up and not be shitty.

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198. "schumer is utterly useless."
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his entire goal these past 2 years was to protect red state dem senators up for re-election in 2018. and he couldnt even do that.

  

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197. "you a scared demon, shouldn't be allowed to spread semen"
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200. "holy shit...Rosenstein OUT. "
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still trying to confirm this....

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204. "Floriduh removed Jamele Hill from voter role due to Tweet"
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206. "Jeff Sessions wanted to stay until the end of the week but John Kelly to..."
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Jeff Sessions wanted to stay until the end of the week but John Kelly told him no. He was firm it had to be today, @LauraAJarrett and I are told by sources.

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1060291423801610241

  

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207. "damn...what yall think of all this with Acosta?..."
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https://twitter.com/funder/status/1060343908947947521

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1060349515469938688

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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208. "hood pass revoked "
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222. "Yoooo.. the doctored video though?"
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WH official video of Acosta 'putting his hands on a woman' has added frames to accelerate chopping motion of arm

This shit is next level

https://twitter.com/aymanndotcom/status/1060424768653062149?s=09

  

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227. "this shit out here looking like the Zapruder Film"
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258. "An intentional ploy by Trump to churn the news cycle. "
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Trump has a long-standing beef with Acosta, and Acosta regularly comes with tough (even hostile) questions. Despite all that, the White House not only took his question, but they seated him at the front row to do it!

They were planning on a heated back and forth, they were probably even planning on having an intern take the mic away from Acosta or someone else.

If they hadn't done it, the press would be splitting their time between post-election hand-wringing and **obstruction of justice in plain sight** (namely, the firing of Sessions). As it turned out, that story, which should have been earth-shattering, got diluted by the Acosta stuff (and the new mass shooting, which they probably celebrated as well).

Trump is not a sophisticated strategist, but when he finds a tactic that works he sticks with it. He's been using this tactic for years. Playing the media like puppets.

  

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214. "remember when the media said john kelly would rein in trump?"
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218. "Remember the NYT "adult in the room" garbage ? LOfuckingL"
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221. "i may be in the minority, but im not unhappy with these results"
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Not great, but we got the House and here in Illinois things went surprisingly well for Democrats.

Can't lie, been in the sidelines for a long time, and I feel the pull to be more involved stronger than ever now. Kinda want to get more involved with my local office a bit, but I don't even know where to start. Maybe I'll do some research this weekend.

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224. "I wasn't either"
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It was a pretty good night in my state and I had zero expectations of winning the Senate.

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226. "The amount of governor seats is huge. Enormously huge"
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280. "if Ohio was in that number I would be less mad"
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because of 2022

but Rauner, Walker, and Kobach losing is absolutely great

  

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234. "I'm mad at most of the reporting, but yeah results aren't bad"
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who seriously thought the Senate was up for grabs?

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235. "I'm glad we got the House but statewide, we took a beating. n/m"
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241. "could have been better but it's progress"
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taking the house is really important, they are going to investigate a lot.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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249. "I'm becoming increasingly convinced that that would be good for Trump ....."
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If that's all the House focuses on (even if that's what I want them to focus on, among other things) ... I think considering the current landscape and the racist, troll pieces of shit who worship this guy, that the House just filing to investigate him and everything about this admin gives Faux News, Trump himself, and his mindless robot followers easy fodder for 2020. It basically creates their messaging for them. And we all know that that's all that matters at this point, sadly.

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256. "They have to do both. Serve up progressive legislation for the GOP"
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Senate to smack down.

And investigate Trump and his cronies. They should do it Mueller style though of quietly doing it and start with low hanging easy fruit and get terrible sound clips from all the terrible people around Bush.


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257. "Trump and his gang are going to come up with BS regardless"
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it's what they do. the American people should want Trump to be investigated, but of course a large portion of them are stupid. I think the Dems taking the house has Donny a little shook. Devin Nunes was covering up for Donald and now he won't be able to. I get that people are freaking out but I refuse to believe that the Dems taking the house is a bad thing. Trump comes up with BS every day, I wouldn't worry about it being worse because the Dems took the house.

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259. "Right, you can't "play into his hands""
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Because he can always just say whatever the fuck and people will go with it, regardless of how true it is.

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264. "echoing this exchange."
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we gotta stop caring about how our actions will be viewed by 'the other side' and just focus more on turning out our voters.

people keep saying dems could 'overreach' (popular dc press narrative) and them 'harassing the president' (doing actual oversight) could backfire like gop going after clinton. but they never mention that clinton was liked by the majority of americans (app ratings in the 50s and 60s) and trump stays in the 40s or high 30s.

  

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269. "100%"
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272. "honest question...have you changed your mind, then?"
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I feel like you and I have gone back and forth on this exact topic- Dems getting their voters (plus first time voters) out to vote versus chasing moderate Republican votes.

You have consistently told me that Dems needs moderate Repubs to win elections

(This always confused me, because you also point out that Republicans are 3rd biggest party in the country..behind Dems and Independents)

Anyway...

Have you changed your thinking? Because I think you even pointed to Florida this year as an example that Dems can't run progressive candidates and win...(even though it helped down ticket in Texas)...

But I don't see how running moderates will get Dem voters out.

I'm honestly not being snarky, but...which is it?

So if Dems go all out in the house like we all want...investigate, pass progressive laws (even though they will be dead in Senate), etc

we are willing to pass on those mythical moderates?



  

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265. "As opposed to not doing anything? Or just not winning the house?"
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267. "Ahhh no. Didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth."
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Just saying I think there needs to be some strategy involved beyond just "attack attack attack."

Of course we needed to win the House. I didn't suggest or even imply that it would've been better not to have won. Not taking the House would've spelled total disaster. I just think that if Dems go into full attack mode and focus on only that, it could backfire.

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270. "it worked for republicans vs obama, hillary clinton, etc."
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benghazi, fast and furious, email server, and so on.

eric holder is the only cabinet member in history to be held in contempt of congress. and we have seen people in just the past 2 years blatantly perjure themselves in front of congress, obstruct investigations, etc. they ended up driving holder out of his job.

shit they drove hillary clintons approval ratings from the mid 60s down to donald trump level and openly bragged about it.

investigations, public hearings, strategic leaks to the media...they work.

my only advice to dems would be...if youre gonna start emptying the clip...aim for the head. none of that pitter patter shit.

  

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271. "Yea man we are agreeing on pretty much everything."
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>benghazi, fast and furious, email server, and so on.
>
>eric holder is the only cabinet member in history to be held
>in contempt of congress. and we have seen people in just the
>past 2 years blatantly perjure themselves in front of
>congress, obstruct investigations, etc. they ended up driving
>holder out of his job.
>
>shit they drove hillary clintons approval ratings from the mid
>60s down to donald trump level and openly bragged about it.
>
>investigations, public hearings, strategic leaks to the
>media...they work.
>
>my only advice to dems would be...if youre gonna start
>emptying the clip...aim for the head. none of that pitter
>patter shit.

All of that is true. But a lot of things work for Repugs that don't/wouldn't work for Dems. So all I'm saying is what you echoed: they need to be strategic. Repugs know how to play dirty. That's literally all they do. And their sheep beg for it which is why they get away with it. I'm not saying, at all, that they shouldn't go for the head. Just saying they need to be sure they have impeccable aim, or their attacks could backfire.

For example I don't want the House to pursue impeachment, at all, unless there is substantial criminal evidence to do so. Because if the Dems shoot blanks on impeachment proceedings that will only serve to strengthen and embolden Trump/Repugs.

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273. "Fox News ran point on all of that"
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The left doesn't have a Fox news. Maddow reading 19 pages of court papers and making shocked faces at the camera just isn't effective fam.

I mean, I agree in general but the GOP had a lot of help.

  

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275. "^ yep. This is what I was getting @ above when I said ..."
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... Repugs get away with a lot of things Dems haven't. Because of this state run media.

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236. "heard a guy on the radio today"
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say that trump demeaning jim acosta was deserved but 20 people going after Tucker Carlson was gonna start a civil war. lol old white people are really off the deep end stupid

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266. "All 19 Black Women Running for Judge in a Texas Race Won Tuesday Night"
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https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/71nfSHsBgjOQU2taxlHz0A--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/cosmopolitan_438/8521e61acc87b30048e72ace8c9115f5

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/19-black-women-running-judge-181400986.html

  

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268. "DSA-endorsed candidates/ballot measures claim 67 wins (so far)"
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Hooray. And now back to work.

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/npc-statement-on-2018-elections/?akid=14574.30887.HLAQCL&rd=1&t=2

NPC Statement on 2018 Elections
NOVEMBER 7, 2018

Yesterday democratic socialists fought and won inspiring election campaigns across the country, representing the rebirth of the American socialist movement after generations in retreat. Most significantly, DSA members Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan were officially elected as members of Congress, and Summer Lee, Gabriel Acevero, Mike Sylvester and many other DSA supported candidates won inspiring victories at the helm of a working-class movement for social justice. These victories for a resurgent Left are only the beginning — the real work of transforming ours into a equal, humane, and just society will take many years of organizing and educating. The obstacles we face are still enormous.

While Democrats succeeded in taking back a slim majority in the House of Representatives, striking a blow to the extreme right-wing and pro-corporate agenda represented by Trump and the Republican Party, the Senate remains in the hands of Republicans.

In the last two years, Republicans have done all they can to attack the interests of workers, people of color, women, LGBTQIA+ and disabled people. Their denial of climate change and pro-fossil fuel policies threaten us all. Trump’s racist and xenophobic rhetoric has invigorated violent white nationalism across the country. The GOP has repealed crucial environmental regulations, escalated the deportation regime, attacked our healthcare and social security, and ushered in trillions of dollars of tax cuts for the ultra-rich.

Despite all of this, the Democratic Party establishment has been unable or unwilling to muster a serious opposition. Unfettered capitalism has bred increasing poverty and inequality; homelessness is on the rise, tens of millions are have no or inadequate healthcare, public schools and our public infrastructure are disastrously underfunded and crumbling, suicide rates and opioid addiction are on the rise, and the inhumane U.S. spends billions holding more people behind bars than any other country in the world.

However, a renewed working-class movement across this country gives us hope. Earlier this year, teachers in West Virginia went on a historic statewide strike, winning massive concessions and inspiring similar militant action in communities from Arizona and Oklahoma to Kentucky and Washington State. In every respect, 2018 marks the return of the strike and what looks to be the beginning of a new era of militant working-class resistance to corporate control of our society.

Meanwhile, the demand — advanced by DSA and other organizations — for universal healthcare and a progressively funded single-payer system has reached new levels of popularity, including polling favorably with 52% of Republican voters.

Nearly fifty thousand people have joined the Democratic Socialists of America since Trump’s 2016 election. Inspired by Bernie Sanders’s message of a moral economy and his call for a political revolution, a new generation is eager to take up the cause of democratic socialism.

Thanks to this upsurge, DSA has been able to fight for Medicare for All, College for All, equal rights for all, and a revitalized labor movement. DSA has also succeeded in winning key elections all over the country, in red states and blue states. In addition to new DSA congresswomen Ocasio-Cortez and Tlaib, we also won other incredible victories at the state level:

Maine – Mike Sylvester
Maryland – Gabriel Acevero and Vaughn Stewart
New York – Julia Salazar
Pennsylvania – Summer Lee, Sarah Innamorato and Elizabeth Fiedler

Each of these candidates ran against corporate-backed Republican or Democratic political establishments on inspiring platforms demanding an end to austerity and oppression. We are building a pipeline from local positions all the way to national politics.

We call on all those who believe in the cause of social and economic justice to join us in building a mass movement of and for the working-class majority. Only such a movement can defeat the political establishment and win a world for the many, not just the wealthy few.

A full list of wins, complete as of the time of this distribution, can be found below. The list will be updated as more races are called. You can support DSA’s work here.



Nationally Endorsed Elected Officials

MD – Gabriel Acevero House of Delegates – District 39

MD – Vaughn Stewart House of Delegates – District 19

ME – Mike Sylvester State House – District 39

MN – Kara Gloe School Board, Moorhead

MT – Jade Bahr, State House – District 50

NY – Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez US House, NY-14

NY – Julia Salazar State Senate – District 18

PA – Elizabeth Fiedler State House – District 184

PA – Sara Innamorato State House – District 21

PA – Summer Lee State House – District 34

RI – Rachel Miller City Council, Providence – Ward 13

TX – Franklin Bynum Judge, County Criminal Court: Harris County 8



Locally Endorsed Elected Officials

CA – Dianna Reddy, Redwood City Council

CA – Eduardo Martinez City Council, Richmond, CA

CA – James Chang Rent Board, Berkeley

CA – John Selawsky Rent Board, Berkeley

CA – Justin Cummings City Council, Santa Cruz – At-Large

CA – Lorrie Brown City Council, Ventura – District 6

CA – Maria Poblet Rent Board, Berkeley

CA – Monica Montgomery, San Diego City Council – District 4

CA – Paola Laverde Rent Board, Berkeley

CA – Rachelanne Vander Werf, American River Flood Control District Trustee

CA – Sofia Rubalcava City Council, Ventura – District 1

CA – Soli Alpert Rent Board, Berkeley

CO – Julie Gonzales State Senate – District 34

DC – Beau Finley Advisory Neighborhood Commission 3C-04

DC – Dan Orlaskey Advisory Neighborhood Commission 1B-02

DC – Emily Gasoi Board of Education, DC Ward 1

DC – Matthew Sampson Advisory Neighborhood Commission 2B-01

DC – Ryan Linehan Advisory Neighborhood Commission 5D-01

DC – Todd Brogan Democratic State Committee – Ward 4

HI – Amy Perruso State House – District 46

MD – Marc Elrich County Executive, Montgomery

MI – Katie Scott Board of Commissioners, Washtenaw County – District 9

MI – Kristy Cooper District Library Trustee, Ypsilanti

MI – Rashida Tlaib US House, MI-13

ND – Ruth Buffalo, State House – District 27

NY – Emily Adams Democratic State Committee Member – AD 125

RI – Sam Bell State Senate – District 5

TX – Danny Norris Dept. of Education Trustee, Harris County – Precinct 1

TX – DaSean Jones Judge – 180th Criminal Court

TX – Julie Ann Nitsch Community College Trustee, Austin – Place 9



Locally Endorsed Ballot Initiatives

AZ – No on 305 – School Vouchers

CA – No on Prop 6 – Gas Tax Repeal

CA – Yes on Prop 1 – Affordable Housing Bond

CA – Yes on Measure L – Raise Anaheim City Worker Minimum Wage

CA – Yes on Measure O – Berkeley Housing Bonds

CA – Yes on Measure WW – Long Beach Fair Work Conditions for Hotel Workers

CA – Yes on Measure Y – Close Oakland Eviction Loopholes

CA – Yes on Prop 12 – Minimum Enclosure Size for Animals When Raised for Meat or Eggs

CA – Yes on Prop 2 – Housing for People w/ Mental Illnesses

CA – Yes on Prop C – Our City Our Home

CA – Yes on Measure P – Tax on Wealthy Berkeley Property Transfers

CO – No on Amendment 74 – Corporate Power to Sue Governments Over Laws That Affect Their Property

CO – Yes on Amendment A – Removal of Exemption to Slavery Prohibition for Criminals

CO – Yes on Prop 111 – Cap Payday Loans

CO – Yes on Question 2E – Democracy for the People

FL – Amendment 4 – Felon Re-enfranchisement

IL – Yes on – Lift the Ban on Rent Control (Non-Binding)

MA – Yes on 2 – Limit Corporate Election Spending

MA – Yes on 3 – Trans Non-Discrimination Protections

MA – Yes on 4 – Medicare for All (Non-Binding)

MD – Yes on Question E – No Baltimore Sewer Privatization

MD – Yes on Question H – Baltimore Fair Election Fund

MO – Yes on Amendment 1 – Clean Elections

MO – Yes on Amendment 2 – Medical Marijuana

MO – Yes on Prop B – Raise Minimum Wage to $12

OR – No on 103 – Ban Grocery Taxes

OR – No on 104 – “End Easy Taxes”

OR – No on 105 – Repeal Sanctuary State Initiative

OR – No on 106 – Ban Public Funds for Abortions

OR – Yes on 26-200 – Portland Campaign Finance Reform

OR – Yes on Measure 26-201 – Portland Clean Energy Fund

TN – Yes on Amendment 1 – Davidson County Community Oversight of Police

TX – Yes on Prop A – Affordable Austin

WA – Yes on Prop 2018-5 – Bellingham Affordable Housing Levy

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274. "The Legacy of Jordan Davis Lives on in His Mother Lucy McBath's Congress..."
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Just want to make sure this doesn't get overlooked

https://www.theroot.com/the-legacy-of-jordan-davis-lives-on-in-his-mother-lucy-1830306563

Six years after losing her son to gun violence, first-time candidate Lucy McBath has emerged victorious in her bid to claim a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Her opponent, Republican Rep. Karen Handel, conceded the race for Georgia’s 6th Congressional District on Thursday morning in a statement released on Facebook:

After carefully reviewing all of the election results data, it is clear that I came up a bit short on Tuesday. Congratulations to Representative-Elect Lucy McBath and I send her only good thoughts and much prayer for the journey that lies ahead for her.

Citing February’s Parkland, FL mass shooting as the impetus for her decision to pursue a congressional seat, McBath relinquished her 30-year career as a flight attendant in order to embrace her calling in gun-control advocacy following her son’s murder.

“I’m still a mother. I’m still parenting,” McBath told CNN. “That’s why I believed this was the time to stand up.”

Her son, Jordan Davis, became national news in 2012 after he was murdered at a gas station after a dispute over loud music. He was only 17-years old.

Using Florida’s controversial stand-your-ground law as his defense, the shooter, Michael Dunn, was found not guilty of murder in his first trial. However, in a subsequent 2014 retrial, Dunn was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison.

In the immediate aftermath, McBath channeled her grief into activism. She began working with the advocacy groups Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America and Everytown for Gun Safety, before becoming the National Spokesperson for the former and the Faith and Outreach Leader for both groups in 2013.

After winning one of the tightest congressional races in Georgia, McBath is in good company. As she joins groundbreaking women of color such as Ayanna Pressley, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Sharice Davids as one of the faces of the House’s new Democratic majority.

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276. "Love this so much."
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277. "thank you"
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i didn't know this

  

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278. "Some of y'all are negative nancies."
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Dems gained 100 seats in the house.
GAINING ON YA has a whole new meaning after this blue wave that's for damn sure.
Justice Democrats made races in unwindable scenarios closer than they were supposed to be. Beto was something like a 49 point underdog heading into his race...

Gillum lost by 30,000 votes while mail-in ballots were found outside of a distribution center uncounted...

Cheer up the world hasn't ended and some form of resistance is better than nothing. Tell Bin to run as a Justice Democrat next time.

  

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279. "100 seats? "
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281. "i stopped there too"
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284. "I wanted to believe its hyperbole but it’s Kira"
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He may actually believe it’s 100 seats

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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286. "Dems made gains in 55 states..."
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287. "Lmao"
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290. "323 Legislative seats across the country (c) DLCC"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-gain-hundreds-of-legislative-seats-and-secure-majority-of-state-attorneys-general/2018/11/07/cef1ebd6-e2aa-11e8-ab2c-b31dcd53ca6b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.83298a903c70

I was off by a little bit but that counts as gaining on ya. 323 legislative seats is better than nothing. Now get to work you lazy Democrats.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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282. "Trump winning made them gun shy dogs"
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Now every time something happens in politics they jump out of their skin. They start saying Trump is invincible. Republicans can’t lose, it’s like an automatic reaction.

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283. "rather, it's made me more dictatorial"
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there should be a Trump voter registry that will get you a one-way ticket to a concentration camp where you're not allowed to participate in society, until 3 elections have passed.

  

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285. "i would love to see the rise of authoritarian liberals/dems."
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people who are absolute zealots about civil rights, voting rights, clean water/air, etc. and who are willing to destroy the lives/reputations and even incarcerate those who oppose.

like why is voter suppression not a federal crime?

treating these issues as simply differences in ideas/opinions aint gonna cut it anymore.

  

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288. "bingo."
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>people who are absolute zealots about civil rights, voting
>rights, clean water/air, etc. and who are willing to destroy
>the lives/reputations and even incarcerate those who oppose.
>
>like why is voter suppression not a federal crime?
>
>treating these issues as simply differences in ideas/opinions
>aint gonna cut it anymore.

like, people just need to look at Brazil.

Americans don't usually think of the place where the rainforests, Blanka and Laura are as Ground Zero for fascism, but Bolsonaro's people are ridiculous

actually LOCKING UP their political opponents over BS
now they're talking about outlawing "communism" (which means anyone to the left of their party)

and the hilarious part is that Lula was very much a conciliatory, social democrat (i.e. one who still lets the capitalists get rich), but too many poor people were getting out of poverty and they couldn't have that.

voter suppression/disenfranchisement USED to be a federal crime, but... thanks to George W. Bush's Supreme Court picks...

  

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289. "democrats 1st order of business: voting rights & campaign finance reform"
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https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1062000816662421505

dont ever say both parties are the same

  

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291. "Awesome. How does that get through the Senate?"
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294. "It doesn't"
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They should probably just give up now, then.

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297. "They need to attach it to a defense fund contract"
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299. "well dems will control the budget. so it can be negotiated."
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like you mentioned...attaching it to larger bills, cr's, forcing a shutdown etc. all on the table.

  

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292. "AZ to Sinema"
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293. "expect a Cheeto tirade today somewhere..."
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he know wasssup


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295. "RE: expect a Cheeto tirade today somewhere..."
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Jr ?

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298. "Probably Jerome Corsi, a former reporter with InfoWars"
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He’s been telling people he thinks he’s going to be indicted. Mueller subpoenaed him recently.

Don’t know what he has to do with this in particular, but he was prominent in trying to advance the whole Obama birthed thing.

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301. "looks like it"
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https://twitter.com/TopRopeTravis/status/1062418274900697088

  

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302. "I think he wrote a book claiming Obama's real dad was Malcolm X"
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Or something like that

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304. "Jerome Corsi fucking rules"
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When it starting becoming clear in the early 2000's that blogs were a really good way of corralling the politics of melted-brain boomers, Corsi was the one who got the most traction with the conservative Catholic blogs I read. Him and Victor Davis Hanson because there's nothing these dumb-dumbs love like comparing everything to the Peloponnesian War. Then Corsi got famous for his part in the Swiftboat thing and every doofus who wrote 10,000 word movie reviews under a pseudonym like Manuel Paleologos that *always* managed to circle around to the death of civilization started treating him like an actual celebrity.

Good times. I'll say this for the oozing sludge of twitter: at least it doesn't take long to read.

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296. "Congress keeps getting more diverse"
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This has to be a scared time for old white men.

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300. "its all on the dem side."
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repubs are about to lose their only black woman in congress. and their amount of women in general is about to drop to a level it was decades ago. like 15 in all of congress. dems are closer to 100.

  

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303. "Whitaker wont last. just like i tol you silly scary negroes"
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if he does fire mueller..which he wont...the dems can just hire him back in january... dont be scared... its about to be fk trump season on a major scale

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305. "do you have new information?"
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Like I've told you, if you are going to be so a)confident and b) condescending, at least bother to back it up.

He doesn't need to fire Mueller to fuck with the investigation, you know that right?

  

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307. "Whitaker won't last, but only for technical reasons."
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The legal issues over him not being Senate-confirmed will make it too much work to defend him.

But that just means he'll be replaced by Noel Francisco, who is also a Trump loyalist, and just as unlikely to pursue anything from Mueller's investigation. He wouldn't need to fire anybody. All he'd need to do is decide the Mueller team shouldn't pursue any more indictments, and that the report shouldn't be released. There's nothing Mueller could do (legally) if that happened. Mueller needs someone to sign off on all of that.

You say the House could hire Mueller. I guess that's true, but I don't know what they'd have him do. House committees don't have authority to bring charges. The one charge they'd have the authority to file is contempt of Congress. But the resulting indictments would have to come from the justice department. So again, a Trump loyalist makes the decision.

The one thing they could do is subpoena Mueller to testify. In principle, the Mueller report would then be made available to the committee. But it would almost certainly be classified. More likely it wouldn't even get that far. The justice department (which actually owns the report, not Mueller) would claim executive privilege, or come up with some other excuse, which would just leave everybody at a stalemate. (A "Constitutional Crisis", as people call it.)

The one thing left is Mueller's personal testimony, and testimony from people on his team. That could be very valuable, but there wouldn't be a paper trail backing any of it up unless the justice department miraculously chose to share it. More importantly, there, again, isn't much the house could do with it. All they could do is impeach, which would be dead on arrival in the Senate, and on balance, would only make the overall political situation worse.

  

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308. "Doesn't seem too hard."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-releases-legal-memo-defending-whitakers-appointment-as-acting-attorney-general/2018/11/14/9c51e834-e813-11e8-b8dc-66cca409c180_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.28564af9436f


>The legal issues over him not being Senate-confirmed will
>make it too much work to defend him.

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309. "Damn."
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311. "Haha. The chips are in their favor, at every turn."
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Just gotta hope Mueller's 25,000 steps ahead at this point.

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312. "this doj olc memo shows how weak their case is."
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to cite a precedent for the whitaker appointment...they had to go back to 1866. before the vacancies reform act. before the doj even existed lol.

doesnt seem like the strongest leg to stand on in court.

even famous conservative legal minds like john yoo (who authored the torture memos for gw bush lol) said his appointment is unlawful/unconstitutional.

  

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313. "^^^ Yup..."
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>to cite a precedent for the whitaker appointment...they had
>to go back to 1866. before the vacancies reform act. before
>the doj even existed lol.
>
>doesnt seem like the strongest leg to stand on in court.

"A senior Justice Department official said the OLC’s legal analysis of the practice found 160 such instances in which a non-Senate-confirmed official became the acting head of an agency, but the vast majority of those instances came before 1870."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-dept-releases-legal-memo-defending-whitakers-appointment-as-acting-attorney-general/2018/11/14/9c51e834-e813-11e8-b8dc-66cca409c180_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.20de841e8406

Hell, even Lindsay Graham (!) said he'd support a bill protecting Mueller's investigation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-senator-graham-says-supports-mueller-bill-urges-005625273.html

I don't think it's all cut & dried that Whittaker will be calling the shots on this without any push-back.

  

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316. "RE: ^^^ Yup..."
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>
> Hell, even Lindsay Graham (!) said he'd support a bill
>protecting Mueller's investigation.


Would such a bill protect the scope and keep the investigation independent, or would it just say "Mueller stays and investigation continues"

Because it seems if its the latter, the new AG can just hinder the entire thing.


**And FUCK Lindsay Graham


>
>
>https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-senator-graham-says-supports-mueller-bill-urges-005625273.html
>
> I don't think it's all cut & dried that Whittaker will be
>calling the shots on this without any push-back.

I don't think anyone thinks dude will still be AG in 6 months.


The question is how much damage he can do until Trump nominates someone.

  

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318. "RE: ^^^ Yup..."
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>Would such a bill protect the scope and keep the investigation
>independent, or would it just say "Mueller stays and
>investigation continues"
>
>Because it seems if its the latter, the new AG can just hinder
>the entire thing.

I would imagine it would keep it independent. That's how these investigations are supposed to be. They're supposed to be independent of any undue influence by any outside forces (including the President).

Also, I get the impression that Mueller is mostly done with his investigation. Even if they cut his legs off now, I have a feeling that he's already got all the dirt documented. I hope I'm right.

>**And FUCK Lindsay Graham

Say word...I'm trying to figure out how he flipped from railing against 45 during the campaign to being his cheerleader. Maybe 45 has naked pics of Lindsay's wife with Lex Steele or something.


  

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319. "Thanks"
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>
>>Would such a bill protect the scope and keep the
>investigation
>>independent, or would it just say "Mueller stays and
>>investigation continues"
>>
>>Because it seems if its the latter, the new AG can just
>hinder
>>the entire thing.
>
> I would imagine it would keep it independent. That's how
>these investigations are supposed to be. They're supposed to
>be independent of any undue influence by any outside forces
>(including the President).


Word. I would think so, but I could see the GOP saying "Mueller's job is safe, but we trust the department...no reason to make it independent of the AG.

Then they could play the "we protected Mueller, what else do you want?"

Like they did with BART. "We gave you an investigation, what do you want?"


>
> Also, I get the impression that Mueller is mostly done with
>his investigation. Even if they cut his legs off now, I have a
>feeling that he's already got all the dirt documented. I hope
>I'm right.
>
>>**And FUCK Lindsay Graham
>
> Say word...I'm trying to figure out how he flipped from
>railing against 45 during the campaign to being his
>cheerleader. Maybe 45 has naked pics of Lindsay's wife with
>Lex Steele or something.
>
>
>

In addition to being a piece of shit, I assume he is afraid of a primary...maybe I'm wrong.

  

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315. "who is going to check them?"
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I'm not being snarky, but...where does this end up eventually?

Supreme Court?

I mean...


  

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317. "^ beat me to it."
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Reeq and Marbles are definitely right, that there's a trillion weaknesses in the case they laid out.

But where does it end up if there's no one in charge to make sure that the weak case is exposed ? Kavanaugh's case was weak, too, for a million reasons. But the right pieces were in place in Congress such that it didn't matter.

And now Kav may be the final stop for whether or not Whitaker's appointment is constitutional right ? The supreme court ?

They still win.

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320. "the only reason im even slightly confident"
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is because there is pretty broad bipartisan legal consensus on this.

according to most of the legal folks i follow on twitter (both sides of the aisle) this isnt even a gray area case. the appointments clause of the constitution *and* the vacancies reform act strictly forbid this.

and the supreme court ruled against an appointment to the national labor relations board in a similar case just last year. with justice clarence thomas emphasizing the need for senate advice and consent to rein in executive overreach.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-executive-idUSKBN16S25E

it was a 6-2 ruling too. not even close (sotomayor and ginsburg were the only dissents). it would be hard for them to do a complete 180 on this newest case.

  

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321. "that is encouraging...couple questions tho"
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Have any GOP Senators chimed in specifically on this issue?

and

How long does it drag out?


I know Maryland is suing over this, I just don't know what timeline to expect.

  

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310. "i already told yall it wasnt happening bcz too many conflicts of interes..."
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due is a lackey and everyone knows it. not qualified, skipped chain of command, has an affiliate who a witness in the case, made public BIASED comments about the case, working with a company that bilked vets out of cash....... if hes smart he will recuse himself...if he interferes with this investigation hes going down...

lmao OF COURSE its going to hard to confirm this lackey. You really think Trump is going be bulldoze this guy into the situation without some oversight??? LMAO!! Trump is making deranged decisions right now..This wasnt a smart move....hes not going to make any waves passing Trump info...bcz hes been doin it all along anyways....and now dude is under investigation right now.

https://democrats-oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/top-dems-launch-investigation-of-acting-attorney-general-s-involvement-in


stop being scared. Trump isnt getting away with any of this shit. Including colluding with Russia, Laundering money, or Obstruction...along with a whole host of other shit...

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314. "Do you read other posts in this thread? Also, are you 12?"
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>due is a lackey and everyone knows it. not qualified, skipped
>chain of command, has an affiliate who a witness in the case,
>made public BIASED comments about the case, working with a
>company that bilked vets out of cash.......

Literally no one is denying this. Everyone in here is well aware of everything you just said.

Literally no one in here thinks he should be AG, no one denies he should recuse, etc.

No one is denying, or is unaware, that he is a piece of shit.

They all are.

if hes smart he
>will recuse himself...if he interferes with this investigation
>hes going down...

Again, this line of thinking assumes things are a)normal and/or b)the GOP will check the President.

Neither of these is true.


** Also, he is literally there because he won't recuse. Jeff Sessions was fired because he recused. Sessions replacement should have been Rosenstein, but obviously that doesn't work out for Trump.

Whitaker is literally there because he is a Trump loyalist who won't recuse.

The argument isn't weather or not he is smart or dumb- he isn't going to recuse. Period.

So..you think he will go down, then...When?

Please stay with me. Are you saying he will "go down" in 2020, or 2024, when Dems take over?



>
>lmao OF COURSE its going to hard to confirm this lackey. You
>really think Trump is going be bulldoze this guy into the
>situation without some oversight??? LMAO!!

Uh, the question isn't weather or not he gets confirmed, do you not get that?

Brew just linked a memo from the department defending him being appointed rather than confirmed.

He is the acting AG RIGHT NOW...do you get that?



Trump is making
>deranged decisions right now..This wasnt a smart move....hes
>not going to make any waves passing Trump info...bcz hes been
>doin it all along anyways....and now dude is under
>investigation right now.


This is a decent point, but now he is IN CHARGE of the investigation. Again, he doesn't have to fire Mueller to fuck with the investigation.

He can limit the scope, deny warrants/indictments, put the report in a drawer, etc.

So even the recent GOP "we will pass a bill to protect Mueller" is BS because Whitaker can just hinder the investigation.


>
>https://democrats-oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/top-dems-launch-investigation-of-acting-attorney-general-s-involvement-in
>
>
>stop being scared. Trump isnt getting away with any of this
>shit. Including colluding with Russia, Laundering money, or
>Obstruction...along with a whole host of other shit...

Honest question, how old are you?? Why does it come down to being scared and having nuts?

Everyone here is just thinking shit out.

I'm not "scared" and this isn't the playground.

Look, after the mid-terms I feel a little better about things- especially 2020 prospects. The Dems plans to work on expanding voting rights/accesss is especially really encouraging to me.

BUT


This idea that Mueller is going to drop the hammer on the Trumps any day now is naive. This isn't Law & Order or some shit.

We are going to have at least 2 more years of this shit.


So, if your point is, "They will all go down in a few years"...okay, thats good...but that isn't the same as "Mueller comin" and shit.


To sum up because you seem to just skim posts-


1. No one is denying that Whitaker is a piece of shit.

2. The argument isn't "will he be confirmed?" because he ALREADY HAS THE GIG.

3. He won't recuse. Sessions got fired because he recused.

4. He doesn't have to fire Mueller to fuck with the investigation.

5. Your point of "he's going down"...I'm assuming you mean 2020 at the earliest? Cool. But it won't do much for people suffering now, will it? So this all hinges on elections, so everyone can stop with "Mueller comin" and go with "Dems are comin"...

6. Talking shit out and thinking about things logically doesn't = scared. This isn't 4th grade. Elevate your point.

7. Again, Whitaker is the AG now and wasn't confirmed. He is not going to recuse.


  

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306. "Democrat Josh Harder wins U.S. House seat in California farm belt, defea..."
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Democrat Josh Harder wins U.S. House seat in California farm belt, defeats 4-term Republican Rep. Jeff Denham.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1062533611751202817

  

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322. "McConnell just blocked consideration of the bipartisan bill to protect M..."
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McConnell just blocked consideration of the bipartisan bill to protect Mueller’s investigation from Trump.

https://twitter.com/StandUpAmerica/status/1062820834958589953


^^^(video, Flake says he will not vote to advance any judical nominees or confirm any judges before a vote to protect Mueller.)

  

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323. "lol hopefully Flake and Collins don't pull a"
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well, a Flake and Collins.

Shit.

  

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324. "Flake's not flaking yet, BUT..."
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Let's not forget that this is a *bill*. It doesn't have any legal force until it becomes a *law*. And for that to happen, it would need to be signed, by the President!

So it's not gonna fuckin happen. It's been a sideshow all along.

Maybe we need a 'Mueller protection bill protection bill.' And to ensure that that gets signed, a 'Mueller protection bill protection bill protection bill.'

Now if Flake REALLY wanted to force the matter, he could say 'no more judicial appointments until the MPB is signed into law.' He hasn't insisted on that. All he's demanding is that the Senate holds a vote. No conditions on the house, and no conditions on the President.

In other words, yeah, Flake has already flaked.

  

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325. "House Intelligence Panel Hiring Money-Laundering Sleuths"
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/house-intelligence-panel-hiring-money-laundering-sleuths

House Intelligence Panel Hiring Money-Laundering Sleuths
One of President’s biggest foes is taking steps to chase the Trump-Russia money trail.

Betsy Woodruff,
Spencer Ackerman
11.21.18 12:29 PM ET

The House intelligence committee's incoming Democratic majority is taking its first steps to follow Donald Trump's money, The Daily Beast has learned.

The committee is looking to hire money-laundering and forensic accounting experts, three sources familiar with the plans confirm to The Daily Beast. One Democratic committee office said the purpose of the potential new hires is to examine unanswered financial questions about Trump and Russia, but their work could apply broadly across the panel’s intelligence oversight.

This indicates that likely chairman Adam Schiff’s stated interest in the intersection of financial crimes and intelligence threats isn’t just talk.

Schiff, a California Democrat, has said publicly and privately that he’s interested in President Donald Trump’s relationship with Deutsche Bank, the German financial giant that has been scorched for its connections to money-laundering. When other lenders were loath to lend money to Trump in the 1990s, Deutsche Bank stepped up and spotted him tons of cash. The president may still owe the bank up to $175 million, according to MarketWatch. Bringing on staffers with expertise in financial crimes would position the committee to pursue those questions.

A spokesperson for Schiff did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Mieke Eoyang, vice president of the Third Way think tank’s National Security Program and former staffer on the committee, told The Daily Beast that having a deep understanding of financial crimes will help the committee effectively oversee the sprawling U.S. intelligence agencies.

“I think it’s really important that people understand how much Russia relies on money-laundering and financial influence as part of its attempts to undermine Western interests throughout the world,” she said. “It’s one of those things where you really need to check that kind of activity. At the same time, you may have an administration that’s putting pressure on its own people not to look too hard at it, so you’d want more congressional oversight there.”

Under the control of Republican Chairman Devin Nunes, partisan tensions ripped the committee asunder. Early in 2017, the committee set out to investigate Russian meddling in the previous year’s election. But that turned into a partisan brawl, with Nunes allying himself closely with the White House. A lawyer for Michael Cohen––then still in the president’s good graces––received inside information from the probe, which ended earlier this year. Democrats said Nunes hobbled it to protect partisan interests. Trump, for his part, told Fox & Friends that Nunes deserves “the Medal of Honor.”

Now that the power has shifted, the committee faces a daunting challenge: Renewing bipartisan cooperation, rebuilding trust from the Intelligence Community, and doing muscular oversight of the White House’s relationship with America’s spies.

Another challenge will be managing all of this without butting heads with the other committees equally eager to investigate the president’s financial dealings. Rep. Maxine Waters, expected to chair the House Financial Services Committee in the new Congress, has telegraphed interest in investigating Trump’s finances, including dealings with legally troubled banks.

Eoyang said some friction is to be expected.

“There’s always tension in jurisdiction between HPSCI and other committees,” she said. “When the chamber is functioning well, they work those things out. HPSCI’s going to be more interested in sources and methods and resourcing and understanding the counterintelligence aspects of this. Maxine Waters and her staff will work with HPSCI to deconflict some of those things. And it may be that when they’re working together, they’re multiplying the resources on the problem instead of duplicating the resources.”

  

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