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"Supreme Court Nomination hearing.. Scary shit in the US"


          

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Can't get worked up because we know the outcome. He gets confirmed.
Sep 04th 2018
1
pretty much.
Sep 04th 2018
4
pretty clear where we are headed.
Sep 04th 2018
2
theres also one more horrifying possibility.
Sep 04th 2018
3
      To be fair, "legislating from the bench" was the big criticism the
Sep 04th 2018
5
      they still do it now. 'judicial activism'.
Sep 04th 2018
8
      sheldon whitehouse just started talking about this now at the hearing.
Sep 04th 2018
11
      They've been saying this since the Warren Court, though
Sep 04th 2018
22
      In hindsight, the appoint of a Scalia replacement should have been Obama...
Sep 04th 2018
7
           yeah roland martin suggested the same thing (re: black woman).
Sep 04th 2018
10
           Wow. A little green on the bench but ketanji jackson would
Sep 04th 2018
13
           Folks on here called the Garland nom genius
Sep 04th 2018
32
                i hope we get a reactionary politically ruthless dem president
Sep 04th 2018
41
                Damn you're right.
Sep 04th 2018
47
           What ? Black women were suppose to save the day ?
Sep 04th 2018
15
           re-reading my own response just made me realize
Sep 04th 2018
19
           No
Sep 04th 2018
17
                Why would it have been a hail mary? Sotomayor wasn't a solid choice? LOL
Sep 04th 2018
34
                Wait a min I have to type this out for you ?
Sep 04th 2018
39
                     I've read this post 3 times. I have no idea what you are trying to say....
Sep 04th 2018
48
                          You have no idea because you are asking questions
Sep 04th 2018
56
                this is about garland not getting confirmed
Sep 04th 2018
35
                     Ok read reply 7 and tell Buddy this is about Garland. smdh
Sep 04th 2018
43
                          LOL. You the one who said he made a mistake nominating Kagan and
Sep 04th 2018
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                               No I said Obama should have nominated a Black woman
Sep 04th 2018
57
excerpts from bob woodwards book about the wh have leaked out.
Sep 04th 2018
6
Shit I've seen on CNN since you posted this
Sep 04th 2018
14
      smh way too predictable.
Sep 04th 2018
20
           and now bob woodward is the top trend on twitter.
Sep 04th 2018
52
                I mean, it sounds like a pretty fun book
Sep 04th 2018
59
John King is such a melted pink crayon
Sep 04th 2018
9
john mccain is being replaced by the guy helping kavanaugh
Sep 04th 2018
12
Is it wrong to assume
Sep 26th 2018
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nothing makes me want to say eat a dick
Sep 04th 2018
16
THE TRUMP-KENNEDY PACT. (Seth Abramson thread from July 10)
Sep 04th 2018
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this is why i have a problem with ruth bader ginsburg.
Sep 04th 2018
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      No one remotely thought or knew what this crazy situation would be
Sep 04th 2018
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           which has nothing to do with nothing.
Sep 04th 2018
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                DNC was acting as if Hillary winning 2016 was a given
Sep 04th 2018
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                     This was the case with everyone, too
Sep 04th 2018
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Ben Sasse should have been bullied more
Sep 04th 2018
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This can't be said enough
Sep 04th 2018
23
^^^^^^^
Sep 05th 2018
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ben sasse was just grandstanding about trump turning america
Sep 04th 2018
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      In an NCAA-tournament style bracket for worst GOP figure...
Sep 04th 2018
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           the media loves sasse, flake, mccain, etc.
Sep 04th 2018
29
           Remind me to actually do this in March
Sep 04th 2018
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What can be done?
Sep 04th 2018
31
nothing really without the filibuster.
Sep 04th 2018
33
btw this would be a great hail mary.
Sep 04th 2018
36
we're really only fucked if we're apathetic
Sep 04th 2018
38
      But let's say we get majorities in both houses and win in '20
Sep 04th 2018
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           this is what people dont understand.
Sep 04th 2018
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           no, people fucking understand.
Sep 04th 2018
61
           1) that's a separate conversation. we have to stop the bleeding first.
Sep 04th 2018
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we can win elections. or burn it down i guess.
Sep 04th 2018
37
The GOP can lose the popular vote by 7 points and retain the House
Sep 04th 2018
45
      repubs are the *third* largest political affiliation in this country
Sep 04th 2018
49
      btw on the house popular vote margin issue...
Sep 04th 2018
51
      this hasn't ever been a democracy and you're grossly oversimplifying.
Sep 04th 2018
63
It's a defeated kind of day
Sep 04th 2018
42
did this repub just say that dems already had their minds set
Sep 04th 2018
40
if you read anything today, read this:
Sep 04th 2018
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great read
Sep 04th 2018
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wow I want to finish reading this tonight
Sep 07th 2018
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White Power behind Kavanaugh
Sep 04th 2018
60
this is definitely gaslighting, dystopian shit.
Sep 04th 2018
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bingo.
Sep 05th 2018
71
The video is even more damning. I really can't believe this is ...
Sep 04th 2018
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lol Ben Sasse. Good speech bro
Sep 04th 2018
65
That, plus this? Viva la resistance!
Sep 05th 2018
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you know half of those judges were obama nominees right?
Sep 05th 2018
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Leahy making moves
Sep 05th 2018
70
Ballsy Booker
Sep 06th 2018
72
Good on him
Sep 06th 2018
75
And Durbin signing on
Sep 06th 2018
76
interested to see how the lamestream media comes down on this.
Sep 06th 2018
77
kavanaugh was likely talking to someone from trumps lawyers firm
Sep 06th 2018
73
He's done a remarkably terrible job here
Sep 06th 2018
74
      cant believe people actually wanted dems to walk out
Sep 06th 2018
78
           They clearly didn't account for Dem's history of bravery
Sep 06th 2018
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           I'd have been fine with a walkout, but this really is better
Sep 06th 2018
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This right here is why Trump wants Kavanaugh.
Sep 06th 2018
81
RE: This right here is why Trump wants Kavanaugh.
Sep 07th 2018
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its crazy that repubs are about to jam through a nominee
Sep 07th 2018
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Even crazier that we'll be stuck with this shitgibbon
Sep 07th 2018
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If they are able to #MeToo this prick, I will do the shmoney dance in ti...
Sep 07th 2018
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What are Manchin, Donnelly, Heitkamp good for?
Sep 07th 2018
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Have they said they're voting for him?
Sep 07th 2018
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Manchin apparently stopped in to watch yesterday
Sep 07th 2018
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      Relatedly, from the Hill: NRA targets Manchin
Sep 07th 2018
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      We'll have to see, hopefully Kavanagh being
Sep 07th 2018
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           Yep, the teacher strike was an opportunity
Sep 07th 2018
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Republican photo ops, that's what they're good for.
Sep 17th 2018
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Kavanaugh victim comes forward
Sep 16th 2018
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sounds legit
Sep 16th 2018
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the way that news hosts/panels have been dismissing this
Sep 16th 2018
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      i, for one, am shocked joe and bill would be antifeminist assholes
Sep 16th 2018
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flake calling for a delay?
Sep 16th 2018
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NOPE. Republicans LOVE Trump
Sep 17th 2018
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here is the letter sent from the accuser to feinstein.
Sep 16th 2018
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You Can't Walk Back a Categorical Denial
Sep 17th 2018
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This woman is unbelievably brave
Sep 17th 2018
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vote postponed. public hearing on monday.
Sep 17th 2018
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a few dynamics on Kavanaugh, based on my conversations with several top ...
Sep 18th 2018
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I predict the hearing won't happen and he gets confirmed
Sep 18th 2018
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      The election dynamic is more complicated than that.
Sep 18th 2018
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      Yeah, the goal would be to get more pink hats to come out and vote
Sep 18th 2018
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      lol
Sep 18th 2018
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           Never in the history of Congress has something not happened as scheduled
Sep 18th 2018
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           *disappointed/depressed/pouty emoji*
Sep 18th 2018
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Genuinely didn't think this would happen
Sep 18th 2018
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      dems played this kinda masterfully imo.
Sep 18th 2018
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Kavanaugh accuser has not yet agreed to attend hearing
Sep 18th 2018
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if she shows up i think she sinks the nomination.
Sep 18th 2018
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      Nvm - misread your post.
Sep 18th 2018
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Wait.. so all this sketchy shit he did as an adult is ok
Sep 18th 2018
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so they delayed the vote and now Trump and the republicans
Sep 18th 2018
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Def ironic. But also, it's not like they didn't *want* to use it.
Sep 18th 2018
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man I am SCREAMING
Sep 18th 2018
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*600+* alumni stand with dr christine blasey ford.
Sep 18th 2018
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Any professional WH would have pulled the nom two days ago.
Sep 18th 2018
123
      Aw man I wish I had even a shred of your optimism lol.
Sep 18th 2018
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      Oh it's not optimism.
Sep 18th 2018
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      agreed on all fronts.
Sep 18th 2018
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Kavanaugh on video, "What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetow...
Sep 18th 2018
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Kavanaugh Transcript Submitted to Senate Omits "What happens at Georgeto...
Sep 19th 2018
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Mark Judge says he won't testify.
Sep 18th 2018
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That’s gotta be big
Sep 18th 2018
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RE: Supreme Court Nomination hearing.. Scary shit in the US
Sep 18th 2018
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Accuser wants FBI to investigate before testifying
Sep 18th 2018
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Ford says that Grassley scheduled the public hearing expecting her to te...
Sep 18th 2018
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this is smart if she can pull it off.
Sep 18th 2018
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Fuck.
Sep 19th 2018
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      if she backs out of the hearing then this was all a waste of time.
Sep 19th 2018
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           Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't
Sep 20th 2018
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love the diversity in this post
Sep 18th 2018
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The FBI did investigate Anita Hill's accusation, and it took 3 days
Sep 19th 2018
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Them needing to stick to a timeline is such BS
Sep 19th 2018
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      RE: Them needing to stick to a timeline is such BS
Sep 19th 2018
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           We're not even two years removed from the time we went
Sep 20th 2018
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Any FBI investigation of efforts to deter an alleged sexual attack victi...
Sep 19th 2018
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The "impartial" Chief Counsel for Nominations is out here tweeting
Sep 20th 2018
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Kavanaugh accuser open to testifying next week
Sep 20th 2018
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i still stand by my prediction that *if* she testifies
Sep 20th 2018
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      Some NEWS on a call that Katz, the attorney for Ford, had with Judiciary...
Sep 20th 2018
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           this development right here is peculiar if true:
Sep 20th 2018
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           The Ed Whelan thing is completely bonkers
Sep 21st 2018
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                Gonna be honest, I thought they would go with "demonic possession"
Sep 21st 2018
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                looks like it was coordinated with hatch and kav..
Sep 21st 2018
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                     Jesus hell at that retraction
Sep 21st 2018
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                     He needs to be pressed about his involvement in this
Sep 21st 2018
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                     "I have not communicated at all with Don McGahn or anyone at the White H...
Sep 21st 2018
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                          Has Whelan mentioned WHERE he got all this from?
Sep 21st 2018
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                               he also hired a well known pr firm to help with rollout strategy.
Sep 21st 2018
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           Senate GOP has two “non-starters” for Ford testimony: 1- Issuing Sub...
Sep 21st 2018
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Trump: Where was the police report?
Sep 21st 2018
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Saw Grassley and Graham and Hatch being huge assholes and thought
Sep 21st 2018
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The RNC right now: http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/ooooh.gif
Sep 21st 2018
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How does any woman vote R?
Sep 21st 2018
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RE: How does any woman vote R?
Sep 21st 2018
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It should be interesting
Sep 21st 2018
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In today's Yale Daily News: what Brett Kavanaugh was up to back in his s...
Sep 21st 2018
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McConnell just now on Kavanaugh: "you’ve watched the fight, you’ve w...
Sep 21st 2018
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Maybe all the dems are trying to do is piss women off enough to come
Sep 21st 2018
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Her life as it was is over
Sep 21st 2018
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If that’s true, I respect the hell out of it
Sep 21st 2018
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Dems plot massive campaign if Kavanaugh falls
Sep 21st 2018
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      Kavanaugh doesn't have to fall for this strategy to work.
Sep 21st 2018
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      i'm not sure this the best way to go. hopefully they do better
Sep 21st 2018
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           Yeah, that plan seemed sketchy
Sep 21st 2018
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                Right. Plus the Dems need to embrace the new
Sep 21st 2018
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People only go this hard when they’re trying to prevent more
Sep 21st 2018
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Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine says she's "appalled" b...
Sep 21st 2018
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PR firm helped Whelan stoke half-baked Kavanaugh alibi
Sep 21st 2018
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Skelator errr I mean Hatch
Sep 21st 2018
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Grassley amps up the pressure on Ford, says the Judiciary committee will...
Sep 21st 2018
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Senate Judiciary Committee tentatively agrees to Thursday hearing with K...
Sep 22nd 2018
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fam i think kavanaugh might not even make it to thursday.
Sep 22nd 2018
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      don't want to get my hopes up...but it also seems telling
Sep 22nd 2018
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           Fords story resonates with many victims, I’ll wager
Sep 22nd 2018
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‘Incredibly frustrated’: Inside the GOP effort to save Kavanaugh ami...
Sep 22nd 2018
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what gets me
Sep 22nd 2018
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Look who's president; they didn't think it would be this big a deal
Sep 23rd 2018
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I read somewhere that McConnell was pushing hard for someone else.
Sep 23rd 2018
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      I think they did know about the allegations, hence the girls scouts
Sep 23rd 2018
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           All of the above.
Sep 23rd 2018
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           yup i think its all the above
Sep 23rd 2018
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cnn runs panel with women 'republican voters' thoughts on kav/ford
Sep 23rd 2018
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rumor: ronan farrow and jane mayer about to drop that heat on kav
Sep 23rd 2018
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Drudge ?
Sep 23rd 2018
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other journalists on twitter are corroborating the drudge headline
Sep 23rd 2018
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      You're right
Sep 23rd 2018
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here it is. new accuser from his yale student years:
Sep 23rd 2018
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And Avenatti says he’s repping a few other women too.
Sep 23rd 2018
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      i think they end up cutting bait.
Sep 23rd 2018
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           Not sure when people will catch on to the fact that
Sep 23rd 2018
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           Are they willing to lose the senate
Sep 23rd 2018
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                honestly i think its all because of trump.
Sep 23rd 2018
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                     this is it
Sep 23rd 2018
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Ronan Farrow has been on a roll lately....
Sep 23rd 2018
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      tom arnold claims farrow has this now:
Sep 23rd 2018
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fox news poll: record number oppose kavanaugh nomination
Sep 23rd 2018
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btw the media has to stop framing things in terms of repubs vs dems
Sep 23rd 2018
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feinstein/dems caught flack for how they handled this whole shit
Sep 23rd 2018
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I love it
Sep 23rd 2018
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      dems upgrading from butter knives to steak knives in gunfights lol.
Sep 23rd 2018
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           I can't tell it's tactical brilliance on the Dems part or lucky.
Sep 24th 2018
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holy shit @ this avenatti claim:
Sep 23rd 2018
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he better have some evidence or
Sep 23rd 2018
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      fam read this detail from the farrow piece:
Sep 23rd 2018
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           damn...this part too
Sep 23rd 2018
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                i think after everything comes out he will step down
Sep 23rd 2018
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                     Nope, they LOVE IT
Sep 23rd 2018
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...
Sep 23rd 2018
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small detail: repubs knew about 2nd accuser a week ago
Sep 23rd 2018
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more questions from avenatti:
Sep 23rd 2018
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Gang rape or not he gets on the court
Sep 23rd 2018
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Warning: My client re Kavanaugh has previously done work within the Stat...
Sep 24th 2018
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KAVANAUGH to break TV silence tonight on FOX NEWS -- he and wife Ashley ...
Sep 24th 2018
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So.. an informercial.
Sep 24th 2018
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Update: 2 Kavanaugh classmates withdrew from a statement his lawyers iss...
Sep 24th 2018
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Avenatti tells @maddow that his client, who he describes as a “witness...
Sep 24th 2018
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Man, Avenatti better not fuck this up.
Sep 24th 2018
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      seriously. this shit aint a game.
Sep 24th 2018
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      Avenatti's accuser has multiple security clearances. (swipe)
Sep 25th 2018
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Kavanaugh and several classmates at Georgetown Prep referred to themselv...
Sep 24th 2018
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This one looks like the death blow.
Sep 25th 2018
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he wont make it...too much shit swirling
Sep 24th 2018
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Statement from James Roche, Brett #Kavanaugh’s freshman roommate at Ya...
Sep 25th 2018
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Brave and somewhat foolish of that dude to put his name out there
Sep 25th 2018
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McConnell: "We have hired a female assistant to go on staff and to ask t...
Sep 25th 2018
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Rachel Mitchell, an AZ sex crimes prosecutor, has emerged as Senate Repu...
Sep 25th 2018
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Senate Judiciary Committee schedules Friday vote on Kavanaugh nomination...
Sep 25th 2018
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He's clearly going to be voted out of comittee
Sep 25th 2018
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Not really. This dude is different (outside of the allegations)
Sep 25th 2018
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      You really are a Trick, arent you?
Sep 25th 2018
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           I'm gonna just gloss over the insult
Sep 25th 2018
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                IT DOES MATTER
Sep 25th 2018
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What utter horseshit
Sep 26th 2018
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Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford offers Senate four people who co...
Sep 26th 2018
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Kavanaugh’s ‘choir boy’ image on Fox interview rankles former Yale...
Sep 26th 2018
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BE AC H W EE K, his 1982 calendar has been released
Sep 26th 2018
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exchange between @SenJohnKennedy & Kavanaugh on high school
Sep 26th 2018
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the dam looks like its breaking today.
Sep 26th 2018
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Enter new player!
Sep 26th 2018
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wow, we went to the same high school
Sep 26th 2018
251
feinstein accuses kavanaugh of violating grand jury secrecy laws
Sep 26th 2018
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This is what I mean when I say Kavanaugh is different
Sep 26th 2018
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      dude got so much dirt under his nails the only question is
Sep 26th 2018
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           This is what I've been wondering
Sep 26th 2018
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           RE: how in the hell did he keep all this under wraps until now?
Sep 26th 2018
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3rd accuser: alleged witness and victim of gang rape
Sep 26th 2018
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btw avenattis batting average is crazy.
Sep 26th 2018
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I think the 2020 talk is crazy
Sep 26th 2018
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      he is responsible for the cohen guilty plea
Sep 26th 2018
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      Cool, I'm still not voting for him in a potential primary
Sep 26th 2018
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      what he is doing is cool, how does that make him a candidate though?
Sep 26th 2018
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key detail here:
Sep 26th 2018
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julie swetnicks claims match this account from the new yorker article:
Sep 26th 2018
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this nigga kavanaugh was worried about not getting confirmed
Sep 26th 2018
250
this mark judge cat..tryin to hide in the cut..
Sep 26th 2018
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hes that one witness you never want on the stand.
Sep 26th 2018
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He needs to be impeached from his current job
Sep 26th 2018
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kind of funny but not at all how the GOP is complaining
Sep 26th 2018
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Intellectual dishonesty and moving goalposts is the GNC platform.
Sep 26th 2018
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gop wants to use sexual assault as an election rallying cry.
Sep 26th 2018
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      This is admittedly anecdotal, but I’ve heard from several of my center...
Sep 26th 2018
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           the usual 'dems overplaying their hand' narrative.
Sep 26th 2018
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           I've yet to see a conservative pundit explain what it would take for
Sep 26th 2018
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                yup. meanwhile they love giving dems unsolicited advice
Sep 26th 2018
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           Woah, the people who voted for Trump and Cruz support them?
Sep 26th 2018
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everything is a conspiracy to repubs now.
Sep 26th 2018
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Call this manspaining, being condescending or whatever
Sep 26th 2018
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trump about to take compete charge defending kavy kav lol
Sep 26th 2018
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THE GOP FEELS it has no time pre-midterms to nominate a new judge; will ...
Sep 26th 2018
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      do they not vet these people correctly?
Sep 26th 2018
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      McConnell didn't want him
Sep 26th 2018
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           nigga FUCK McConnell
Sep 26th 2018
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                Nobody's giving McConnell brownie points.
Sep 27th 2018
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      i think theres an even more immediate and sinister motive at play too.
Sep 26th 2018
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           Damn, dogg. That's bleak AF.
Sep 26th 2018
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                yeah i try not to be too alarmist/chickenlittley.
Sep 26th 2018
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                     I'm with you.
Sep 26th 2018
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                          the new Michael Moore movie had a decent primer on the Nazi stuff
Sep 26th 2018
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                          Word - I plan to eventually check that out. Funnily enough ...
Sep 26th 2018
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                          put it like this: the only thing stopping trump is other people.
Sep 26th 2018
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                               Brock Turners grow up to be Brett Kavanaughs who make the rules for Broc...
Sep 26th 2018
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                                    true indeed.
Sep 26th 2018
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Merkley to seek injunction to stop Kavanaugh vote
Sep 26th 2018
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i see a lot of dems calling for immediate withdrawal of the nomination.
Sep 26th 2018
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All the GOP had to do was turn the files over in a timely manner
Sep 26th 2018
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Kavanaugh accuser's polygraph results conclude her account is 'not indic...
Sep 26th 2018
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This poor woman.
Sep 26th 2018
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meanwhile the same redneck white lady in my office
Sep 26th 2018
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Kavanaugh's prepared remarks for Thursdays hearing.
Sep 26th 2018
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And here's hers
Sep 26th 2018
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Cheeto trainwreck press conference on right now
Sep 26th 2018
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this dude is going for it
Sep 26th 2018
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dude this dude is a fkng walking SNL skit for real
Sep 26th 2018
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      i have no idea what he's talking about
Sep 26th 2018
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      In response to President Trump's allegations, George Washington has rele...
Sep 26th 2018
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           lmao
Sep 26th 2018
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^^^ it was on in the gym
Sep 26th 2018
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all these reporters follow up questions be straight trash..
Sep 26th 2018
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      It's like listening to my girl tell a story
Sep 26th 2018
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A bad thing is that the headlines from this press conference will be “...
Sep 26th 2018
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Senate probing new allegation of misconduct against Kavanaugh
Sep 26th 2018
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He already lied about memogate.
Sep 26th 2018
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Senior Senate Dem aide tells me there's a concern the GOP is "now releas...
Sep 26th 2018
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      flooding the zone.
Sep 26th 2018
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           Senate Judiciary Cmte staffers have now spoken to two men, each of whom ...
Sep 27th 2018
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(hired) trump supporter loses mind on cnn
Sep 26th 2018
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wow. she held her ground tho...pretty impressive on her part.
Sep 27th 2018
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The Biden smear is predictable, actually kind of fair
Sep 27th 2018
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You are falling for a trick
Sep 27th 2018
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      He's a ghoul who actively helped fry Anita Hill
Sep 27th 2018
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damn feinstein is killing this opening statement.
Sep 27th 2018
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Fuck the GOP for this
Sep 27th 2018
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grassley even cutting off the lawyer lol.
Sep 27th 2018
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And she's trying to put Ford on trial!
Sep 27th 2018
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      repubs might have kinda fucked themselves.
Sep 27th 2018
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           How are they going to spin that an expert in neuroscience is
Sep 27th 2018
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           basically.
Sep 27th 2018
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           I thought it was just for opening statements. I also thinked they may
Sep 27th 2018
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                "thinked"? OK I'm with the (grammar) Nazis on this one
Sep 27th 2018
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                Many that doesn't even require grammar Nazi. A grammar hooligan
Sep 27th 2018
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                i think her 'cross-examination' is gonna be pretty much useless.
Sep 27th 2018
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                     Yep, I think her absolute upside for GOP is to give them an opening
Sep 27th 2018
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                          Mark Judge is hiding at his beach house in Bethany...
Sep 27th 2018
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                          The fact that he's holed up with Superman comics is what gets me
Sep 27th 2018
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                               None of these guys know they're the bully in 80's movies
Sep 27th 2018
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                          this is an important point:
Sep 27th 2018
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                               The other-factors-for-trauma questions seemed the most purposeful
Sep 27th 2018
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salute to Prof Ford, she's showing incredible grace
Sep 27th 2018
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"The cross examining has done nothing but increase her credibility"
Sep 27th 2018
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if they had actually reopened an fbi investigation
Sep 27th 2018
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Fox's Chris Wallace: "This is a disaster for the Republicans."
Sep 27th 2018
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Imagine someone watching this and still thinking
Sep 27th 2018
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I'm still looking at her opening remarks, but she's knocking it out
Sep 27th 2018
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BUY STOCK IN COKE RIGHT NOW!!!
Sep 27th 2018
335
Predictablly, MAGA trolls out in full force on social media
Sep 27th 2018
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which is a good sign..theyre upset so the outcome is promising
Sep 27th 2018
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      It is ?!
Sep 27th 2018
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this prosecutor is spending way too much time on the polygraph.
Sep 27th 2018
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Somebody on twitter pointed out that it's gonna...
Sep 27th 2018
347
Reportedly, Trump is pissed.
Sep 27th 2018
346
He's getting confirmed !!!! Stop it !!
Sep 27th 2018
348
      If justice had any place in this hearing I'd be more optimistic
Sep 27th 2018
349
      since I can't edit... i'm actually a tiny bit hopeful
Sep 27th 2018
357
      Exactly.
Sep 27th 2018
367
      I'm not so sure. I think he might not.
Sep 27th 2018
351
      To be devil's-advocate against myself,
Sep 27th 2018
354
      Again I hope you're right. But I think there's been plenty of times ...
Sep 27th 2018
369
      RE: He's getting confirmed !!!! Stop it !!
Sep 27th 2018
356
           It's called realism, you fucking clown.
Sep 27th 2018
368
           Sup ?
Sep 28th 2018
488
republicans gonna republican.
Sep 27th 2018
350
CNN "Reasonable Republican" Erick Erickson has been melting down
Sep 27th 2018
352
      dude was like a rational never trumper for a few months.
Sep 27th 2018
353
Massachusetts Repub Gov. Charlie Baker says hold off vote
Sep 27th 2018
355
dems are gonna light kavanaugh the fuck up.
Sep 27th 2018
358
I'm hoping
Sep 27th 2018
377
Lindsay Graham's drunk
Sep 27th 2018
359
he is really acting an ass today.
Sep 27th 2018
362
Lindsay Graham's all, "why woulda man want to have sex with a lady- opps...
Sep 27th 2018
365
Can I use "grandstanding" in an affirmative way?
Sep 27th 2018
360
I know exactly what you mean
Sep 27th 2018
364
i honestly believe this prosecutor believes her.
Sep 27th 2018
361
That exchange about interview techniques?
Sep 27th 2018
363
Alot of the Republicans who will vote approve believe her too. They
Sep 27th 2018
366
      Yeah.
Sep 27th 2018
370
what a trash can of a political party
Sep 27th 2018
371
kavanaugh already looks flustered and he aint even been questioned yet.
Sep 27th 2018
372
his wife looking at that nigga like he already confessed to her.
Sep 27th 2018
375
Sucks you have to be this lady to be believed.
Sep 27th 2018
373
Yeah, you shouldn't have to be the perfect victim
Sep 27th 2018
408
Lindsey Graham needs a hug.
Sep 27th 2018
374
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Lindsay Graham.
Sep 27th 2018
389
why the fuck is he yelling?
Sep 27th 2018
376
BECAUSE HOW DARE THEY QUESTION ME
Sep 27th 2018
378
Trump got this boy sounding real Trumpish...
Sep 27th 2018
379
audience of one with these folks.
Sep 27th 2018
382
He should smile more.
Sep 27th 2018
400
He just sunk his nomination.
Sep 27th 2018
380
What did he do? I just turned it back on.
Sep 27th 2018
387
nope
Sep 28th 2018
489
I DEMAND TO SPEAK TO THE MANAGER...
Sep 27th 2018
381
Just turned it on and he crying LOL
Sep 27th 2018
383
waiting for Kamala to get back up in dat ass
Sep 27th 2018
384
I wish I could watch now
Sep 27th 2018
386
MUST SEE TV
Sep 27th 2018
403
shit this dude might be drunk *now*.
Sep 27th 2018
385
but, but, mah calendar!!
Sep 27th 2018
388
LOL i didn't schedule it so it didn't happen
Sep 27th 2018
391
aka his alibi book
Sep 27th 2018
397
Kavanaugh looks like he has a real limp handshake
Sep 27th 2018
390
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. (usher drops water onto th...
Sep 27th 2018
392
this dude look like he's about to crack... guilty as fuck...
Sep 27th 2018
393
He's giving people a whole new excuse to vote no.
Sep 27th 2018
394
The dude that replaced John McCain
Sep 27th 2018
398
      I don't know if Kyl was in on this testimony.
Sep 27th 2018
402
All of his friends are supporting him. Who gives a shit?!?!
Sep 27th 2018
395
If he takes another sip of water!!!
Sep 27th 2018
396
I hope he's wearing a diaper, cuz he just chugged like 2 gallons
Sep 27th 2018
399
Now Judge is an acquaintance...that he is throwing under the bus.
Sep 27th 2018
401
holy shit this dude is breaking down at the softball questions.
Sep 27th 2018
404
And he didn't know the difference between blacking out and going to slee...
Sep 27th 2018
407
RE: And he didn't know the difference between blacking out and going to ...
Sep 27th 2018
411
He doesn't know how many beers is too many beers?
Sep 27th 2018
415
      According to him, he went to sleep but never blacked out!!!!!! LMMFAO
Sep 27th 2018
418
           "Blacking Out is the cousin of death" (c) Brett Gotti
Sep 27th 2018
419
This is someone who has never had to answer for anything in his life
Sep 27th 2018
416
Bro went FULL RETARD and...
Sep 27th 2018
405
he losing his shit on natl tv....
Sep 27th 2018
406
LMAO @ Have you ever ground your genitals on Dr. Ford?
Sep 27th 2018
409
RE: LMAO @ Have you ever ground your genitals on Dr. Ford?
Sep 27th 2018
413
      you could see she was even thinking, is it grinded genitals or ground?
Sep 27th 2018
414
The GOP interrogator now sounds like she's investigating HIM.
Sep 27th 2018
410
She got the blade out on him. Good.
Sep 27th 2018
412
It's weird to think *that* was too transparently political
Sep 27th 2018
417
dude talks about beer like he finally graduated from wine coolers
Sep 27th 2018
420
Mark my words: At 4:35Pm East Coast Time - Trump loves this guy
Sep 27th 2018
421
Not sure.
Sep 27th 2018
423
As much as I hate when people say this
Sep 27th 2018
422
The right wing victimization complex.
Sep 27th 2018
427
The "Have you?" he said to Klobuchar
Sep 27th 2018
430
Well said
Sep 27th 2018
451
this mf acting guilty as shit!
Sep 27th 2018
424
Lindsey goin HAM
Sep 27th 2018
425
How did @LindseyGrahamSC’s stemwinder during the Kavanaugh hearing pla...
Sep 27th 2018
460
Kavanaugh handled himself pretty well in the end
Sep 27th 2018
426
That's certainly one definition of "handled himself well," I guess
Sep 27th 2018
428
The guy yelled and screamed about how much he likes beer.
Sep 27th 2018
450
Best case scenario now for the GOP...
Sep 27th 2018
429
I do think the win for the GOP is him getting knocked down.
Sep 27th 2018
431
and now report coming in that Trump loved it
Sep 27th 2018
432
Didn't watch. But from comments, it seems like the repub base LOVED this
Sep 27th 2018
433
they gon roll with the Dems took too much time to bring this out
Sep 27th 2018
434
yup
Sep 27th 2018
435
they circled the wagons and are all in. this fake outrage is funny.
Sep 27th 2018
436
did the dems coordinate their strategy at all?
Sep 27th 2018
437
RE: did the dems coordinate their strategy at all?
Sep 27th 2018
439
Get him Booker
Sep 27th 2018
438
this is one time that Booker's grandstanding is on point.
Sep 27th 2018
440
seriously just let the black dem senators do all the questioning.
Sep 27th 2018
441
kavanaugh is about to be a terror on the court.
Sep 27th 2018
442
DARTH KAMALA IS ON THE SCENE. ***light saber noises***
Sep 27th 2018
443
she aint really come with that usual heat imo.
Sep 27th 2018
444
      yeah she did...she kept on him
Sep 27th 2018
446
He lied answering that last question from Sen. Harris
Sep 27th 2018
445
RE: He lied answering that last question from Sen. Harris
Sep 27th 2018
447
      He denied it happening 100% unequivically in front of God/the nation
Sep 27th 2018
448
      receipts:
Sep 27th 2018
452
      That tweet is gone at the moment.
Sep 27th 2018
453
      heres another one.
Sep 27th 2018
456
      page gone.
Sep 27th 2018
455
      She asked if he watched Dr. Ford's testimony and he said no.
Sep 27th 2018
458
Yeah, dude's getting confirmed.
Sep 27th 2018
449
he always was
Sep 28th 2018
467
Beginning tomorrow, every nonwhite criminal defendant should demand that...
Sep 27th 2018
454
...
Sep 27th 2018
457
he lied about renate.
Sep 27th 2018
459
July 1, 1982
Sep 27th 2018
461
Corker vote yes to confirm.
Sep 27th 2018
462
George W. Bush has called several moderate Republican senators and Manch...
Sep 27th 2018
463
But he gave Michelle candy. I thought he was good now?
Sep 28th 2018
465
Ostensibly liberal people who go out of their way to talk up W
Sep 28th 2018
468
Flake Will Vote to Confirm Judge Kavanaugh
Sep 28th 2018
469
      Solidfying his legacy as a piece of shit before retiring to some
Sep 28th 2018
470
      A sexual assault survivor just confronted Jeff Flake (who just announced...
Sep 28th 2018
471
           that was raw af
Sep 28th 2018
472
           None of them should have a moment's peace
Sep 28th 2018
476
      GOP on Judiciary votes down effort to subpoena Mark Judge on a party-lin...
Sep 28th 2018
473
           WHAT IS HAPPENING IN JUDICIARY NOW. GOP has clearly instructed their cle...
Sep 28th 2018
475
I fell for the optimism in here
Sep 28th 2018
464
      nah this ain't on them (for once)
Sep 28th 2018
477
           To be clear, I don’t think so either
Sep 28th 2018
479
           Yeah, Kavanaugh couldn't have looked worse yesterday
Sep 28th 2018
480
The American Bar Association—whose “well qualified” rating has bee...
Sep 28th 2018
466
Yale Law School Dean Gerken Joins the ABA in Calling for Further Investi...
Sep 28th 2018
492
ABA says it is reopening evaluation of Kavanaugh’s well-qualified rati...
Oct 05th 2018
628
speak on it Feinstein
Sep 28th 2018
474
Jeff Flake confronted by rape survivors this morning (video)
Sep 28th 2018
478
GOP is really trying to make it like the FBI investigating is a bad thin...
Sep 28th 2018
481
got me feeling lower than the election
Sep 28th 2018
482
RE: got me feeling lower than the election
Sep 28th 2018
484
Where I get stuck is these aren't even differences in
Sep 28th 2018
485
Republicans declaring war on Democrats
Sep 28th 2018
483
Democrats making this committee vote about Blasey-Ford
Sep 28th 2018
486
been that way since at least 2000...we don't learn
Sep 28th 2018
487
      Civil War Part Deux.
Sep 28th 2018
490
           You were right up above, man
Sep 28th 2018
491
           No worries. I tried to tell tourgasm. That poor guy is prolly shaking so...
Sep 28th 2018
497
           It sounds (and is) extreme
Sep 28th 2018
493
           They aren't ready for anything like it
Sep 28th 2018
494
           I actually want to see some of these red states burning.
Sep 28th 2018
496
                I think of this often.
Sep 28th 2018
498
                *bails out of post*
Sep 28th 2018
503
                     Haha. Fair enough.
Sep 28th 2018
505
                     nope, no time for being a moderate now
Sep 28th 2018
507
                          Someone who side-eyes something like this is now a moderate?
Sep 28th 2018
510
                               RE: Someone who side-eyes something like this is now a moderate?
Sep 28th 2018
512
                               He was calling *you* a moderate.
Sep 28th 2018
526
                               after further review: yes.
Oct 05th 2018
669
                I'd rather see them doing well than burning
Sep 28th 2018
502
                     oh, I agree. but the whole right wing needs to be scrubbed out first.
Sep 28th 2018
508
let this be the end of the myth of the 'good conservative'
Sep 28th 2018
495
Very well said.
Sep 28th 2018
499
john mccain ONLY gets props for the POW shit..erythang else fk him
Sep 28th 2018
500
      No doubt. Not only voted for him ...
Sep 28th 2018
501
I came away from this like "this is who you fought for?"
Sep 28th 2018
504
Although many of us were either too young or not yet of voting age
Sep 28th 2018
506
It's going to be so infuriating when we're back here in 12 years
Sep 28th 2018
511
When was anyone you named accused of sexual assault
Sep 28th 2018
514
something I'm trying to understand
Sep 28th 2018
515
      Because Bill is not HIllary
Sep 28th 2018
517
           RE: Because Bill is not HIllary
Sep 28th 2018
545
Mark Judge, who allegedly witnessed Ford's assault, told the Senate Judi...
Sep 28th 2018
509
Asked why GOP doesn't just give it another week on Kavanaugh, former WH ...
Sep 28th 2018
516
something is going down right now..they might postpone vote
Sep 28th 2018
513
Lol @ Grassley pretending not to understand what Flake just said.
Sep 28th 2018
518
Flake isn’t growing a last minute backbone
Sep 28th 2018
520
If Flake does this, I'm Elevator Woman 2020
Sep 28th 2018
521
Jeff Flake says that he thinks it would be proper to delay the floor vot...
Sep 28th 2018
523
this whole shit just needs to be overthrown
Sep 28th 2018
519
FBI INVESTIGATION COMIN! Flake tryin to be on the right side of history
Sep 28th 2018
522
Is any of this binding?
Sep 28th 2018
524
depends on McConnell and Shumer
Sep 28th 2018
525
Flake is one vote...plus, he could have ensured an investigation
Sep 28th 2018
527
It's dependent on McConnell having 50 votes or not
Sep 28th 2018
528
I'm very confused
Sep 28th 2018
529
Sounds like you've got it
Sep 28th 2018
531
yeah, again it seems people are jumping the gun
Sep 28th 2018
533
Yes to all of this
Sep 28th 2018
539
Flake is trying to have it both ways.
Sep 28th 2018
534
In case you're confused, any hope of the Senate doing the right thing on...
Sep 28th 2018
543
Yeah, following this on Twitter has been a whirlwind
Sep 28th 2018
535
Not really. The committee vote is just a formality.
Sep 28th 2018
536
      RE: Not really. The committee vote is just a formality.
Sep 28th 2018
542
McConnell is a piece of shit obviously
Sep 28th 2018
530
gave McConnel the banana for the ol banana in the tailpipe gag
Sep 28th 2018
538
"the right side of history" is the side that wins
Oct 01st 2018
586
      Haha I've thought that too but ...
Oct 01st 2018
587
           I think I'm just getting tired of people using that term
Oct 01st 2018
589
                There's hypocrites everywhere but I think I can objectively say ...
Oct 01st 2018
593
Don't believe the woman accusing Kavanaugh.....
Sep 28th 2018
532
see also:
Sep 28th 2018
537
Or believe both
Sep 28th 2018
541
wtf? this wasnt the 60s..i was in high school back then...
Sep 28th 2018
547
I think some people are missing the sarcasm.
Sep 28th 2018
550
There will be no FBI investigation
Sep 28th 2018
540
Or there will be an FBI investigation, but the FBI will be doing it
Sep 28th 2018
552
      which is why Agent Orange's ability to undermine the FBI publicly
Oct 05th 2018
679
Can the Dems just not show on Saturday?
Sep 28th 2018
544
Nah that doesn't sound right. They only need 51 to have a quorum
Sep 28th 2018
546
      thank you...
Sep 28th 2018
554
MURKOWSKI tells me she spoke with Flake before he made his decision in J...
Sep 28th 2018
548
Joe Manchin says that he supports Jeff Flake's call for a delay and FBI ...
Sep 28th 2018
549
Kavanaugh friend Mark Judge says he'll cooperate with any law enforcemen...
Sep 28th 2018
551
I'm pretty sure this FBI investigation won't change anything.
Sep 28th 2018
553
Dems need to keep it up and also not let up on the lying,
Sep 28th 2018
555
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOuZddmhzko
Sep 28th 2018
556
Senate Judiciary Cmte. says it will request Trump admin. to instruct FBI...
Sep 28th 2018
557
Emerging from McConnell’s office, GOP senators made clear that the FBI...
Sep 28th 2018
561
Shout out to Amy Klobuchar
Sep 28th 2018
558
FBI investigation to start, 1 week deadline..
Sep 28th 2018
559
CHECK OUT THE BIG BRAIN ON BRETT
Sep 28th 2018
560
lol I just watched this and considered poasting it too
Sep 28th 2018
562
A Tumultuous 24 Hours: How Jeff Flake Delayed a Vote on Kavanaugh
Sep 28th 2018
563
lindsay graham put white male grievance in plain view.
Sep 28th 2018
564
I'm a little surprised McCain was best friends with someone so weak
Sep 29th 2018
565
      maybe they had somethin goin on
Sep 29th 2018
566
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoRS9L1XkAECEkp.jpg
Sep 29th 2018
567
someone in another place literally wrote
Sep 29th 2018
568
a false rape accusation IS a horrible thing which is why if you're Kaven...
Sep 29th 2018
569
      ya i also feel sorry for people falsely accused of murder or any other h...
Sep 29th 2018
571
           Both of you are right. False accusations are awful but ...
Sep 29th 2018
572
                no doubt. my point is more about Kavenaughs response
Sep 30th 2018
575
Trump in now running the "investigation" of Kavanaugh.
Sep 29th 2018
570
Caught Trying to Limit the FBI Investigation of Kavanaugh, Trump Reverse...
Sep 29th 2018
573
      I'll simplify:
Sep 30th 2018
574
      Now that Trump has tweeted this, Senate Republicans no longer have any e...
Sep 30th 2018
577
      Times says McGahn, working with McConnell/Senate GOP, is indeed setting ...
Sep 30th 2018
578
SNL cold open
Sep 30th 2018
576
Brett Kavanaugh is "too big to fail"
Sep 30th 2018
579
"Not a chance" -- @JeffFlake @60Minutes on whether he could have done wh...
Sep 30th 2018
580
60 Minutes: “If #BrettKavanaugh is shown to have lied to the committee...
Sep 30th 2018
582
      ^^^ I like watching these elitist a$$holes squirm as much as the next gu...
Oct 01st 2018
588
      All of Brett Kavanaugh’s Lies
Oct 01st 2018
592
Uhhhh
Sep 30th 2018
581
I didn't watch the whole hearing, did any Dems bark at all at BK or GOPe...
Oct 01st 2018
583
several people who believe they have useful information for FBI have had...
Oct 01st 2018
584
“It’s not an investigation if the FBI is going to accept the dictate...
Oct 01st 2018
585
Text messages suggest Kavanaugh wanted to refute accuser's claim before ...
Oct 01st 2018
590
so he perjured himself *again*
Oct 01st 2018
594
      he lied in his private interview with sjc staff too.
Oct 01st 2018
595
           It's really the most provable definitive example of perjury so far.
Oct 02nd 2018
600
                MEMOGATE
Oct 02nd 2018
603
Kavanaugh Was Questioned by Police After Bar Fight in 1985
Oct 01st 2018
591
Who gets violent at a UB40 concert?
Oct 02nd 2018
596
Maybe he likes red wine as much as he likes beer
Oct 02nd 2018
597
Lindsey Graham: "I have argued to you that when you found that a judge w...
Oct 02nd 2018
598
this "balance of the court" argument
Oct 02nd 2018
599
Republican Senator Hides in Men’s Bathroom When Confronted by Sexual-A...
Oct 02nd 2018
601
Republicans. Are. Trash.
Oct 02nd 2018
602
McConnell says only senators will see FBI's Kavanaugh report
Oct 02nd 2018
604
My wishful thinking
Oct 02nd 2018
605
      im hoping/praying that the reason mitch wants to keep it private
Oct 02nd 2018
606
leave it up to dems to seriously consider ways to handcuff themselves
Oct 02nd 2018
607
Stop trying to fix broken ass norms
Oct 02nd 2018
608
Watching the clip, I don't think he meant that.
Oct 02nd 2018
609
      chris coons gave the same answer on cnn a lil while ago.
Oct 02nd 2018
610
           Oh, it actually makes some sense.
Oct 02nd 2018
611
                no dem is restoring then nuking any filibuster.
Oct 02nd 2018
612
Letter from Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s attorneys to the FBI saying th...
Oct 02nd 2018
613
“I sense a degree of frustration inside”
Oct 02nd 2018
615
We obtained a handwritten 1983 letter that Brett Kavanaugh wrote to his ...
Oct 02nd 2018
614
The FBI probe is officially a farce
Oct 04th 2018
616
Sounds like Flake and Collins are fine with it, though
Oct 04th 2018
617
Flake knew what he was doing.
Oct 04th 2018
620
I'm not surprised the White House would limit the investigations
Oct 04th 2018
618
because they never were on the fence to start with?
Oct 04th 2018
619
      ^ this is the correct answer. Republicans are trash.
Oct 04th 2018
621
           Every single one of them Brew
Oct 04th 2018
622
                Yep. I've taken to straight up berating my right-leaning friends.
Oct 04th 2018
623
The Dems f*cked this up when you think about it
Oct 04th 2018
624
Did Robert Bork ever do an Op-Ed?
Oct 05th 2018
625
Manchin and Collins will both keep their intentions a secret until they
Oct 05th 2018
626
murkowski voted no on cloture.
Oct 05th 2018
627
I know it's "just" cloture, but Manchin voting yes . . .
Oct 05th 2018
630
      Blue dog Dem strikes again
Oct 05th 2018
632
      i cant see manchin being the deciding vote.
Oct 05th 2018
634
           he should still vote no
Oct 05th 2018
637
           Any decision on this is gonna be completely forgotten abt in 2 weeks
Oct 05th 2018
641
the way these republican senators are out here screaming mad
Oct 05th 2018
629
Will McConnell push the vote?
Oct 05th 2018
633
mitch will push it to another day if he has the votes (with daines).
Oct 05th 2018
635
      I think the gotta vote within like 30 hours of the cloture vote
Oct 05th 2018
642
           yeah you right. 30 hours of debate.
Oct 05th 2018
643
RE: the way these republican senators are out here screaming mad
Oct 05th 2018
638
Murkowski will vote no and Collins will announce
Oct 05th 2018
631
Republicans: The opposition to Kav is all Jew-run false flags
Oct 05th 2018
636
flake yes. comes down to manchin and collins as a bloc.
Oct 05th 2018
639
WELP. White supremacy for the win.
Oct 05th 2018
640
I'll believe Collins is capable of doing the right thing when I see it
Oct 05th 2018
644
OK, so it's basically over
Oct 05th 2018
645
Flake yes. Collins yes. Manchin yes. Murkowski no.
Oct 05th 2018
646
Collins speaking now, sounds like she's a yes
Oct 05th 2018
647
Yeah, that was clear once she started talking about all the hours she
Oct 05th 2018
649
      I used to think she was just very naive and dumb
Oct 05th 2018
651
OK, Collins can go fuck herself.
Oct 05th 2018
648
talking 'bout big-money conspiracies, she can gtfo
Oct 05th 2018
650
the kavanaugh lobby received $28 mil from a single anonymous donor
Oct 05th 2018
653
      it's so sad, absurd and offensive
Oct 05th 2018
655
           Now she's shitting all over Ford, just for good measure
Oct 05th 2018
658
                she's going full shit heel right now. this speech such trash.
Oct 05th 2018
661
                seriously why did she do this? just give a yes statement to the press.
Oct 05th 2018
663
                     Only thing I can think of is if there's some far-right lunatic who was
Oct 05th 2018
665
                The FBI report Collins read
Oct 05th 2018
668
Done deal. Unless Avenatti can pin a murder on him
Oct 05th 2018
652
He did a lot more harm than good
Oct 05th 2018
688
this shit is basically a kavanaugh ad at this point smh.
Oct 05th 2018
654
Who knew he was both the most temperamental and pro-choice
Oct 05th 2018
656
"Blasey Ford a mixed up liar" but #MeToo is important
Oct 05th 2018
660
I don't expect it to come up in time for 2020, but packing the court
Oct 05th 2018
657
we really need to flip the senate this year against all odds
Oct 05th 2018
659
      Yeah, but this SCOTUS will be able to kneecap anything
Oct 05th 2018
670
           yeah im hoping for a lucky break during a dem prez term
Oct 05th 2018
672
                we got the luckiest break in the Obama Administration.
Oct 05th 2018
680
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^ yup
Oct 05th 2018
692
anyone who believes in conservatism, the Republican brand especially...
Oct 05th 2018
662
If there's a hell below, they're all gonna go © not quite Curtis Mayfie...
Oct 05th 2018
675
go to bed bitch.
Oct 05th 2018
664
I feel sick thinking about what Dr Ford must be going through rn
Oct 05th 2018
666
Had to bare everything and get chased out of her home and become
Oct 05th 2018
674
I feel sorry for those who hold on to optimism for this country
Oct 05th 2018
667
i've been saying this for years
Oct 05th 2018
691
and fuck anthony kennedy.
Oct 05th 2018
671
that fat fuck needs to get doxxed and his ass beat.
Oct 05th 2018
678
And Manchin's going to save Mike Pence the walk to the Senate
Oct 05th 2018
673
Jesus Christ, something needs to happen to that guy.
Oct 05th 2018
676
I need people to ask Schumer what he's going to do about Manchin
Oct 05th 2018
681
      Like tax cut and ACA repeal?
Oct 05th 2018
685
           This was more important
Oct 05th 2018
686
[Double post]
Oct 05th 2018
677
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_qjXQZ-4jAo/hqdefault.jpg
Oct 05th 2018
682
htf could a dem vote 'yes'?
Oct 05th 2018
683
"I believe u but I believe youre mistaken who it was "(c) MSNBC ..basica...
Oct 05th 2018
684
collins went on tv and said she didn't think ford had any details right....
Oct 07th 2018
698
Dems need new leadership
Oct 05th 2018
687
I will never understand why these have been non-starters
Oct 05th 2018
689
Quite quite badly.
Oct 05th 2018
690
exactly. ALLL that shit.
Oct 06th 2018
695
RE: Dems need new leadership
Oct 07th 2018
697
50-48. Getting sworn in tonight
Oct 06th 2018
693
Dems are legit idiots
Oct 06th 2018
694
I don't wanna live here anymore...
Oct 06th 2018
696
Huh. A whole post about mainly a rape accusation
Apr 22nd 2020
699
Looking back, there really isn't a lot of "Believe All Women" talk here....
Apr 30th 2020
700
right....the dudes doing it aren't being authentic
Apr 30th 2020
701

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1. "Can't get worked up because we know the outcome. He gets confirmed. "
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This is all theater.

I don't think there is any dem in Congress who thinks its not going to happen.


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4. "pretty much."
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2. "pretty clear where we are headed."
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facing an electorate which is increasingly rejecting their agenda, conservatives, as a means of political/ideological survival, are doubling down on the most antidemocratic components of our system of government as a means to remain viable. an electoral college that has overturned the democratic will of the majority of americans in 2 of the last 5 elections. gerrymandering (district line drawing) which essentially lets politicians in power pick their voters (instead of the other way around). and lifetime or long term judicial appointments that dont rely on being elected and can never be dismissed when they run afoul of the will of voters.

and now theyre doing it in such a brazen way that they dont even *pretend* to go through the motions of respecting democratic norms, typical process, or previous precedence.

minority rule. iraq, south africa, etc. societies ruled by a class of people the majority of that society are bitterly opposed to. thats where america is headed.

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3. "theres also one more horrifying possibility."
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by taking over the judiciary, conservatives can essentially legislate from the bench. they can essentially write and reshape laws via hearing. theyve already given up any perception of judicial restraint when they overturned on precedent after another with citizens united, shelby county v holder, etc.

they dont even need congressional majorities or a president to create/amend/anull laws.

we could conceivably have a dem president, dem senate, and dem house...and have any laws they pass get completely nullified, or have major parts defanged, by a conservative court system.

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5. "To be fair, "legislating from the bench" was the big criticism the "
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Right had against the Left all through the 90s, when I first started paying attention to politics.

  

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8. "they still do it now. 'judicial activism'."
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the rights whole game for the past few decades is accusing others of behavior the right is actively engaging in.

but the proof is in the pudding. just in a few supreme court sessions, the conservative majority has overturned, gutted, or severely hobbled legal precedents regarding labor unions, voting rights, campaign finance, etc. and now they have their eyes on roe v wade and brown v the board of education. all of these rulings run in the opposite direction of the consensus of the american people and the evolution of our civil society.

and it will only get worse and worse the more they stack the courts with judicial extremists who are far right outside of the mainstream.

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11. "sheldon whitehouse just started talking about this now at the hearing."
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22. "They've been saying this since the Warren Court, though"
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And it's odd how they don't consider Citizens United to be "legislating from the bench" despite completely changing the shape of our elections overnight.

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7. "In hindsight, the appoint of a Scalia replacement should have been Obama..."
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biggest fight of his presidency. Like he should have staked everything on getting his appointment confirmed. It its a decision that will have the most lasting impact of his presidency.

I also agree with this hindsight analysis. Obama should have picked a black woman to replace Scalia. That might have motivated people in a way that bland as Merrick Garland never did.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/in-hindsight-obama-shouldnt-have-appointed-merrick-garland.html


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10. "yeah roland martin suggested the same thing (re: black woman)."
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he claims he made that suggestion back in the heat of the moment and not in hindsight...but i havent had enough motivation to go and look it up lol.

paul ryans sister in law just happens to be a well respected black woman judge (ketanji jackson) whose behalf ryan personally testified on during her district court nomination/confirmation. she was actually one of the candidates being considered by obama but he ultimately went with garland. her treatment would have helped paint the republican party as racist/biased (even moreso than at the time) and hopefully polarized more people against the repubs.

hillary should have made the supreme court seat front and center in her campaign and explicitly listed jackson as her pick. that would have motivated black voters, particularly black women, to the polls.

hindsight is 20/20 in both cases but they woulda been dope maneuvers.

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13. "Wow. A little green on the bench but ketanji jackson would"
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Haven been the 3d chess move.


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32. "Folks on here called the Garland nom genius"
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Because Orrin fucking Hatch said something
nice about him once.

In fact, I think someone literally said Obama
was playing three dimensional chess. Lol

Nah

Obama’s insistence on running to the middle
and his constant “this time the GOP will act
right”....really fucked us in the long run.

Obama wasn’t some genius political strategist,
he was proven naive as fuck several times.

He, the Dems, and the Hil campaign fucked up
that open seat in terrible ways.

“Look at us playing nice” isn’t working out.

  

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41. "i hope we get a reactionary politically ruthless dem president"
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in our lifetime who cares about nothing but achieving/cementing liberal gains and tilting the balance of electoral power towards the democrats for as long as possible.

just to see what one actually looks like lol.

basically a democratic version of a republican.

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47. "Damn you're right. "
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>
>Because Orrin fucking Hatch said something
>nice about him once.
>
>In fact, I think someone literally said Obama
>was playing three dimensional chess. Lol
>
>Nah

I wonder who that someone was ?

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12988436&mesg_id=12988436&listing_type=search

>Obama’s insistence on running to the middle
>and his constant “this time the GOP will act
>right”....really fucked us in the long run.
>

Exactly

>Obama wasn’t some genius political strategist,
>he was proven naive as fuck several times.
>

Naive and scared.

>He, the Dems, and the Hil campaign fucked up
>that open seat in terrible ways.
>

SOP for Dem
>“Look at us playing nice” isn’t working out.

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15. "What ? Black women were suppose to save the day ?"
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smdh

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19. "re-reading my own response just made me realize"
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how inept the clinton campaign was.

in an election where you absolutely needed black voters to turn out to fight off any natural decline in black turnout following the exit of a black president, they picked...tim kaine for vp.

no better way to court black voters in important places like philly, milwaukee, detroit, and cleveland than to run an all white ticket (like whitest of white).

honestly the central focus of the clinton campaign should have been turning out black people. her slogan shouldnt have been 'im with her'. it should have been 'im with you niggas' lol.

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17. "No"
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>
>I also agree with this hindsight analysis. Obama should have
>picked a black woman to replace Scalia. That might have
>motivated people in a way that bland as Merrick Garland never
>did.
>

Obama should have nominated a black woman instead of Kagan or Sotomayor, not as some last min. hail mary to "motivate people"

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34. "Why would it have been a hail mary? Sotomayor wasn't a solid choice? LOL"
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Why not nominate all three women? So you think instead of just picking three women SCJs, the three women should have been competing for two slots so the third one can... go to the white guy?

It would have been easier to just say "I don't know what I am talking about but I need to disagree with you". LOL.


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39. "Wait a min I have to type this out for you ? "
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>Why not nominate all three women? So you think instead of
>just picking three women SCJs, the three women should have
>been competing for two slots so the third one can... go to the
>white guy?

You really believe all three picks would be the same ? Wow, why stop there ? Using your logic he should have nominated assata shakur after giving her a pardon.

>It would have been easier to just say "I don't know what I am
>talking about but I need to disagree with you". LOL.
>

Why didn't you say you don't know since it's obvious you don't know why he picked bland Merrick and Sotomayor.


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48. "I've read this post 3 times. I have no idea what you are trying to say...."
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>>Why not nominate all three women? So you think instead of
>>just picking three women SCJs, the three women should have
>>been competing for two slots so the third one can... go to
>the
>>white guy?
>
>You really believe all three picks would be the same ?

Nope. I didn't say any thing of the sort and not sure how you got that from my post.

Wow,
>why stop there ? Using your logic he should have nominated
>assata shakur after giving her a pardon.

I don't understand any of this and it has nothing to do with my logic.


>
>>It would have been easier to just say "I don't know what I
>am
>>talking about but I need to disagree with you". LOL.
>>
>
>Why didn't you say you don't know since it's obvious you don't
>know why he picked bland Merrick and Sotomayor.
>
>
>smdh damn


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56. "You have no idea because you are asking questions"
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about something I didn't say.

Example 1 "Why not nominate all three women?"- Your question
Example 2 "So you think instead of just picking three women SCJs, the three women should have been competing for two slots so the third one can... go to the white guy?"- Another question you asked.

I never said Obama couldn't nominate all three women.
I never said the three women had to compete for two slots so the third one can go to a white guy ?

Here are my words. Obama should have nominated a black woman instead of Kagan or Sotomayor, not as some last min. hail mary to "motivate people.

Which means He should have picked a Black woman before Kagan or Sotomayor. That does not mean it was the only pick he could ever make.

I never said anything about holding a slot for a white guy, it's odd that you would make that assumption.

>>
>>You really believe all three picks would be the same ?
>
>Nope. I didn't say any thing of the sort and not sure how you
>got that from my post.
>

Well you did ask "Why not nominate all three women?" when I did not say Obama couldn't. You also asked why did I say Hail Mary, when it's obvious Obama was at the end of his second term and Republicans were pushing back against him.

> Wow,
>>why stop there ? Using your logic he should have nominated
>>assata shakur after giving her a pardon.
>
>I don't understand any of this and it has nothing to do with
>my logic.
>


My comments in reply 17 was about the order of Obama's pick but you asked if it was about the number of picks that he had ? Once again that's odd and strange.

>>
>>>It would have been easier to just say "I don't know what I
>>am
>>>talking about but I need to disagree with you". LOL.
>>>
>>

You went to the need to disagree and don't know accusations but you made this post

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12988436&mesg_id=12988436&listing_type=search

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35. "this is about garland not getting confirmed"
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ain't nothing wrong with kagan or sotomayor

  

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43. "Ok read reply 7 and tell Buddy this is about Garland. smdh"
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>ain't nothing wrong with kagan or sotomayor

Nothing ?

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126778631

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50. "LOL. You the one who said he made a mistake nominating Kagan and "
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Sotomayor!?!?!?

And to back that it was a wrong decision, you point to an 8 year old critique about her time at Harvard?

You can't find any criticism about her tenure or decisions while on the Supreme Court?!?

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57. "No I said Obama should have nominated a Black woman"
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INSTEAD of Kagan or Sotomayor but maybe I forgot, so quote where I said "mistake"

>Sotomayor!?!?!?
>
>And to back that it was a wrong decision, you point to an 8
>year old critique about her time at Harvard?
>

I wasn't trying to back up that it was a "mistake" or "wrong decision" with that link. I was challenging the point he made

"ain't nothing wrong with kagan"

>You can't find any criticism about her tenure or decisions
>while on the Supreme Court?!?
>

Do you really need this much help or is this trolling, because it seems like you are reading another thread and responding in here.

His post was ridiculous because he skipped over yours to say something about my reply to you. The irony is you returned the favor by skipping over his to reply to me.

You have no problem with this ?

"this is about garland not getting confirmed"

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6. "excerpts from bob woodwards book about the wh have leaked out."
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so the media will prolly start prioritizing coverage of all of the sensational and controversial tidbits of that book over these supreme court hearings.

nightly network news shows already only spent like a minute and a half combined covering the supreme court nomination over the past 5 weeks. meanwhile they devoted entire shows to the fire and fury book. the woodward book is even more controversial than that.

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14. "Shit I've seen on CNN since you posted this"
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1. Maybe a 1-2 minute compilation of Harris, Booker, and Blumenthal asking to adjourn the hearing.

2. A 10-15 minute bit on the Woodward book, this one highlighting the (hilarious, to be fair) story about Dowd and Sekulow giving Trump a rehearsal interview, concluding he can't talk to Mueller without admitting to a crime or perjuring himself, and then going to re-enact the practice interview for Mueller.

3. The entirety of Ted Cruz' smarmy ass comments about Kavanaugh

4. Back to Woodward stuff, where they are now talking about the humiliating (but utterly true) shit Trump said to Sessions and Giuliani

I guess, in fairness, we've got Brett Kavanaugh's face (minus audio) reacting to whatever the hell people are saying about him right now.

In conclusion, good call.

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20. "smh way too predictable."
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52. "and now bob woodward is the top trend on twitter."
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59. "I mean, it sounds like a pretty fun book"
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But damn. Our news overlords ought to at least try to make it look like THE DISCOURSE isn't literally more important than people's actual lives.

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9. "John King is such a melted pink crayon"
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Immediately, CNN shining their "we're not partisan" credentials for people who give absolutely zero shits with King claiming that Harris and Booker and etc. are grandstanding for their presidential aspirations.

Fucking Pat Leahy just talked for like twenty minutes and that guy's pretty much done running for stuff. John King is a bootlicker.

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12. "john mccain is being replaced by the guy helping kavanaugh"
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through his confirmation.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2018/09/04/jon-kyl-named-john-mccain-replacement-senate-appointment-ducey/1148030002/

so now the person personally heading up the effort to get kavanaugh confirmed will be one of the deciding senate votes to confirm him.

these niggas dont even pretend not to be corrupt anymore.

edit: apparently kyl is also the guy running facebooks internal probe on 'bias against conservatives' smh.

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268. "Is it wrong to assume"
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this Jon Kyl dude knew about all this dirt since he was involved in prepping Kavanaugh for the hearings?

I wonder how the good folk or Arizona feel about being represented by this pond scum of a human being, assuming of course that this Kyl person knew about all this Kavanaugh history.

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16. "nothing makes me want to say eat a dick"
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to the "never hillary" crowd or the "no dif btwn Rs & Ds" crowd
more than issues of the supreme court
because none of those motherfuckers THINK about it at all
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18. "THE TRUMP-KENNEDY PACT. (Seth Abramson thread from July 10)"
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https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1016825672277397504

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(THREAD) THE TRUMP-KENNEDY PACT. No one is telling the full story of the Trump-Kennedy pact yet, so I'm going to do so now. You can't understand why Kavanaugh's nomination must be defeated until you understand the dirty deal that got us where we are. I hope you'll read and share.

1/ Trump's acceptance of a Federalist Society list of acceptable SCOTUS nominees—a list (remember this) with *20 names* on it—is what won him the presidency. Don't take my word for it; that's what *everyone* says about how Trump built a winning coalition.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/02/donald-trump-supreme-court-list-690628

2/ What no one discussed in the presidential campaign—and what neither Trump nor Kennedy ever spoke of, despite the fact that Kennedy was the most likely Justice to retire, so his intention and willingness to retire was nationally significant—was that the two men knew each other.

3/ Strange, isn't it? That Trump made SCOTUS a major campaign issue, but never mentioned how and to what extent he knew the Justice most likely to retire? Especially given that Justices tend to choose the timing of their retirement on the basis of their view of the sitting POTUS?

4/ Well, we now know *why* Trump wouldn't have wanted to mention anything—or Kennedy. And incredibly, the answer is: Russia. Kennedy's son worked for Deutsche Bank, which during the presidential campaign was being investigated for laundering Russian money.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/31/investing/deutsche-bank-us-fine-russia-money-laundering/index.html

5/ The other problem: Kennedy's son was Trump's *banker*. He worked at Deutsche Bank, loaning Trump lots of money before—possibly as—Deutsche Bank began to be investigated for laundering Russian money and Russia stood accused of interfering in the US election (from June 2016 on).

6/ So *any* reference made—by Kennedy *or* Trump—to the fact they knew each other ran the risk of raising the DB connection at a time Trump was hiding his tax returns (through the fraudulent claim an audit precluded releasing them) and the DB-Russia scandal was political cyanide.

7/ So Trump, who has *no* filter in public speeches or debates, forewent speaking much about upcoming retirements, despite him knowing *personally* the man most likely to retire (and Trump *loves* talking about who he knows and how who he knows helps him).

https://youtu.be/G8P8gsI6Yq8

8/ But now we know the *truth*—Kennedy's son wasn't just Trump's banker, he actually oversaw Trump getting ONE BILLION in loans at a time American banks wouldn't loan to Trump and his overall net worth may well have been *south* of that one-billion figure.

http://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-kennedy-son-loaned-president-trump-over-a-billion-dollars-2018-6

9/ So process this: Trump's 20-person SCOTUS list was critical to his victory; he knew personally the man that list would be used to replace; he couldn't discuss how he knew that man, as it'd lead to pre-election stories involving questionable loans, Russia, and money laundering.

10/ It was in this context that—within his first months as president—Trump began to engage in unprecedented secret negotiations with his banker's dad about what it would take to get him (Kennedy) to retire. Again, Trump—who'll boast of anything and everything—kept this a secret.

11/ Trump likely kept it secret for two reasons: (1) he was under more heat than ever over Russia, making news stories about questionable loans to him from a Russian-money-laundering bank incredibly dangerous; (2) he knew—as did Kennedy—that negotiations of this sort were wrong.

12/ It's common for SCOTUS Justices to decide—privately and personally, in consultation with family and (sometimes) close friends—when they'll retire on the basis of who occupies the White House. But clandestine negotiations between a Justice and sitting president are different.

13/ But here's the thing: Justice Kennedy's clandestine negotiation with Trump wasn't just politically charged collusion across two branches of government, as the arrangement the two men made, as reported today by NBC, was something quite different—it was a secret *quid pro quo*.

14/ Kennedy gave Trump a list of 5 names—*none of whom were on the list Trump promised voters he'd select Justices from*—and apparently said he'd only retire if Trump nominated someone on the list. As Trump's original list was political, Kennedy's demands were likewise political.

15/ What Justice Kennedy was doing was inserting himself directly into a hot-button political issue that had been at the center of Trump's presidential campaign—and he was doing so as part of a negotiation both he and the White House were keeping a secret from American voters.

16/ By the time Trump had been in office nine months, he was ready to *violate his campaign promise* of picking from the Federalist Society list—though again, he had to hide from the media and voters what he was going to do and why. So he went to Fox News.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/5650490687001/

17/ Fox News got the exclusive via the White House, and dutifully reported the *false story* that "no one" in or outside the White House knew when Kennedy would retire but it was "widely" expected he would, perhaps as soon as Thanksgiving—an overstatement *very* helpful to Trump.

18/ It's important to note that all Trump told even FNC was that he was expanding the Federalist Society list—*not* that he was now obligated by a pact with Kennedy to *only* select from the additions, none of had been originally selected (pre-election) by the Federalist Society.

19/ This is why one detail in the FNC story is key: Trump sent White House Counsel Don McGahn to the Federalist Society to talk to them. What was said at that meeting? What was said or done to ensure the Federalist Society would *keep quiet* about Trump's broken campaign promise?

20/ We don't know what the Federalist Society knew about the unethical Trump-Kennedy pact. But here's the more important point: we don't know what former Kennedy clerk Brett Kavanaugh knew about the existence of Kennedy's secret list. Did he know what Kennedy and Trump had done?

21/ What's clear is that—*though Kennedy told Trump he had to name one of the 5 names on the list to get Kennedy to retire*—Trump *rejected* 4 of the 5 names. NBC reported today that Trump rejected the four because they weren't conservative enough—but there's a problem with that.

22/ Keep in mind—before I point out the blindingly obvious problem with today's NBC report—that Trump knew what he was doing was extraordinary, unethical, had to remain secret, and could define his presidency. So rejecting 4 of the 5 names Kennedy gave him was *very* headstrong.

23/ But even more bizarre than Trump rejecting 4 of the 5 names early on—and thus risking Kennedy's ire—was that his administration would *lie to the American people yet again* by saying that the four names rejected weren't conservative enough. Because that lie's *easily* caught.

24/ One of the names Kennedy gave Trump—in addition to Kavanaugh's—was apparently Amy Coney Barrett, who is so clearly more conservative than Kavanaugh that only *every single conservative commentator* has said so, as well as every GOP pol willing to speak on the record about it.

25/ So why would the Trump administration put out the story that it considered Barrett not conservative enough—when that's clearly untrue? The answer to that question is the answer to this entire mystery, but before I get there I need to make a note about Senator Mitch McConnell.

26/ Trump's pact with Kennedy was *so* secretive he even kept it from the Senate Majority Leader—underscoring how wrong Trump (and we can be sure—given his superior moral standing—Kennedy) knew it was. We know McConnell was in the dark due to something he recently said to Trump.

27/ Just before Trump announced Kavanaugh, McConnell said to him that he couldn't guarantee there were enough votes in the Senate to confirm Kavanaugh—though he believed there were enough to confirm Kethledge or Hardiman. McConnell's statement is now *historically* extraordinary.

28/ McConnell—a deal-maker who can get anything done, but who oversees a 50-49 Congress where 50 votes are needed to confirm a SCOTUS nominee—was telling Trump that he couldn't hold his caucus together to get Kavanaugh confirmed. And Trump *ignored him*. It may be unprecedented.

29/ So Trump lies about Barrett; ignores McConnell; lies to America by saying he's going through a vetting process when he's actually not; and keeps his clandestine negotiations with Kennedy a secret from everyone except—perhaps—higher-ups at the Federalist Society and Kavanaugh.

30/ What explains this *bizarre* behavior? These risky lies? Violating a core campaign promise? Exposing Kennedy to accusations of unethical conduct? It's simple: Brett Kavanaugh had written in 2009 that a president should be exempt from *civil suits and criminal investigations*.

31/ We know from major-media reports that Team Trump was focused on Kavanaugh's 2009 article in the Minnesota Law Review. And we know from his personal and political history that Trump actually doesn't care about abortions—he cares about not being impeached or indicted in office.

32/ Donald Trump is 72 years old and in poor health—however he got the White House doctor to spin it. If he can evade criminal investigation for the entirety of his presidency, he has a chance to be "safe" until January 20, 2025. He'll be pushing 79 by then—and that fact matters.

33/ Any prosecution of a former president will take years, during which we could assume Trump—given his money and inability to melt into a populace at home or abroad—would be free. So if he can forestall a criminal probe until his post-presidency, he's certain to die a free man.

34/ To some of you, that last tweet sounds bizarre. And I'm no more comfortable than you are trying to imagine—and it's hard—a former president on *bail*, even if that's what would've happened to Nixon had Ford not pardoned him. But it's simple math, and Trump is doing that math.

35/ So there's every reason to believe—as the Senate Minority Leader said today—the Kavanaugh nomination is the culmination of a months-long process whose destination has been wholly governed by Trump's desire to evade responsibility for things over half of America thinks he did.

36/ Under normal circumstances, everything I've discussed here would be the subject of a massive Congressional investigation. But we all know that won't happen due to the "law-and-order" Republican Party becoming suddenly lawless once they seized all three branches of government.

37/ But there's *one thread* of the Trump-Kennedy pact that *can* be pulled on—hard. It's a loose end—a loose thread—that Kennedy was surely hoping would never be discovered, but that was produced *by Trump* because he is, at base, to speak plainly, a stupid-ass career criminal.

38/ Per usual, Kavanaugh's speech at the time of his nomination had to be vetted by the White House—though the assumption is that the words were his. In trying to determine whether Kavanaugh knew about all the lies Trump told to achieve his nomination, his speech is key evidence.

39/ No person in America with a shred of objectivity—or, for that matter, any dignity—could say that they believe the words Kavanaugh utters in the clip below were written by him. And we now know for certain that those words were *false*. See for yourself:

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1016490932324175874

40/ If Kavanaugh knew he was on Kennedy's list—and chances are good he did—he knows his nomination process was rigged *so hard* even the Senate Majority Leader didn't know about it and couldn't stop it. But he said the words anyway. If he knew them false, he colluded in the pact.

CONCLUSION/ Under the circumstances, Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats are entitled to call both Kennedy and his son to testify; to demand any documents related to the secret Trump-Kennedy negotiations; and to question Kavanaugh under oath about his knowledge of the pact. /end

PS/ Best-case scenario: Trump broke a campaign promise; used domestic disinformation; struck a highly unethical pact; and lied to America repeatedly to avoid getting caught for crimes he committed during/after the campaign. Worst-case—Kavanaugh knew of the whole thing and hid it.

  

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24. "this is why i have a problem with ruth bader ginsburg."
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its a harsh thing to say, but if she dies in the next 2-6 years and a repub prez gets to fill her seat then thats completely on her.

instead of soapboxing about being on the supreme court until age 90 to beat/match john paul stevens, she should have allowed obama to replace her when he had the majority. it wouldnt have tipped the balance of power on the court. but it would have put 2-3 significantly younger liberal jurists there and averted the potential disaster of the next republican president being able to confirm 3 of his own.

kennedy saw the senate possibly changing hands to dems and was like fuck it im outta here. rbg was like lemme continue to be a celebrity and break this record.

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27. "No one remotely thought or knew what this crazy situation would be"
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Stop with the jaded bs ya'll

  

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28. "which has nothing to do with nothing."
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any next repub president could have had the ability to possibly appoint 3 supreme court justices.

forethought and teamwork. dems could use more. repubs have it in droves.

kennedy/rbg makes it obvious.

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53. "DNC was acting as if Hillary winning 2016 was a given"
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it sure seemed like a high probability. even before the primaries were over it seemed like thats where we were headed, maybe bernie would take it but probably not. for sure no way would a republican would win...trump??? pffft that would be a for sure victory for dems.

it seemed like many actions/half measures were taking with the assumption that the deal would be closed once hillary was in office.

in hindsight that was very stupid. to me it didnt seem too crazy at the time though.

scary times indeed.

  

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54. "This was the case with everyone, too"
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>it seemed like many actions/half measures were taking with the
>assumption that the deal would be closed once hillary was in
>office.
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>in hindsight that was very stupid. to me it didnt seem too
>crazy at the time though.

See the Republicans who were making noise at the time that they wouldn't confirm ANY of Hillary's hypothetical SCOTUS picks.

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21. "Ben Sasse should have been bullied more "
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Low key the smuggest dipshit in American politics.

edit: It's a transparent lie that Supreme Court Justices aren't political actors, but it's use is obvious. Republicans need to repeat it because it helps them. So, duh. But somebody needs to throw a flag when this twelve year old decides to lecture people about that obvious lie like he's our civics teacher and we all just failed a pop quiz.

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23. "This can't be said enough"
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>edit: It's a transparent lie that Supreme Court Justices
>aren't political actors, but it's use is obvious. Republicans
>need to repeat it because it helps them.

And we know this because of how THEY treat court appointments.

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69. "^^^^^^^"
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25. "ben sasse was just grandstanding about trump turning america"
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into a banana republic.
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1036729815754334208

but he is fully ok with ramming through a partisan operative as judge with no transparency, a complete dismissal of long-standing norms/process, and a confirmation including a vote from a soon-to-be seated senator who is currently in charge of shepherding the candidate through the nomination process.

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26. "In an NCAA-tournament style bracket for worst GOP figure..."
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... he'd be that 13-seed that makes an inspiring, deep run to the final four. Every word that comes out of his weird, lipless mouth makes my spine crawl. Just a miserable, liquid shit of a bad faith actor.

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29. "the media loves sasse, flake, mccain, etc."
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republicans who always stand by their irreproachable principles and dedication to democracy by giving great speeches then doing nothing and hypocritically voting in lockstep with their party.

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30. "Remind me to actually do this in March"
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There's got to be 64 NeverTrump types if we count pundits and talking heads.

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31. "What can be done?"
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No snark intended, I’m genuinely defeated.

Can Dems just walk the fuck out?

I know they won’t, but could they?


Can some of this be undone if Cheeto is
indicted/impeached/etc?


If Dems have the Pres and majorities in 2020,
can they pack the court?

Are all Dems at least on board to vote no?

Any republicans wavering at all?


Or are we all just fucked for 40+ years?

  

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33. "nothing really without the filibuster."
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this is the consequence of sitting out elections in 2010, 2014, and 2016. it wasnt just about this past election.

2010 wins allowed repubs to claw back 6 senate seats and gave them the power to start suppressing dem votes in key swing state senate races in the future.

2014 turnout was the lowest in 70 years (except for white evangelicals who made up 1 outta every 4 voters). repubs picked up 9 senate seats and the majority that year. giving them the power to block all judicial nominations from obama including the supreme court.

2016 people couldnt bother themselves to come out and vote for the lady who gave a couple of speeches to wall street and sent some insecure emails. depressing turnout in key senate races in several states. repubs lose senate seats but maintain their small majority.

most of the solutions we discuss are really micro level bandaids to a macro level problem. we have a civically ignorant population filled with people who are apathetic towards our political process. we are seeing the logical consequences of this.

we dont get here without people not knowing and not voting.

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36. "btw this would be a great hail mary."
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>Can some of this be undone if Cheeto is
>indicted/impeached/etc?

if they actually do find undeniable evidence of collusion.

theres no law or precedence for undoing the actions of an illegitimate president (to a lesser degree...2000 was stolen and repubs gave no fucks moving along with their agenda).

but maybe public outcry makes some morally virtuous judges step down (prolly not but it happened in nc). or maybe it makes an even larger swath of the public vote against republicans for an entire generation.

outside of that we are fucked for an entire generation or more. whats taking place here is just a subtler version of whats gone on in backsliding democracies across the world.

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38. "we're really only fucked if we're apathetic"
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checks and balances still exist (ask merrick garland). we just don't have anyone in a position to check all this.

  

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44. "But let's say we get majorities in both houses and win in '20"
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President Warren/Sanders/Harris/whoever signs an actually robust Medicare For All bill into law. How will it possibly survive the legal challenges it's sure to face the second it's signed? The ACA barely survived (and leaving it up to states to accept/decline matching federal money seriously hurt the ACA) with a friendlier SCOTUS.

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46. "this is what people dont understand."
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the supreme court is arguably more powerful than the president.

like they actually get to determine the power of the president. the president doesnt get to determine their power.

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61. "no, people fucking understand. "
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62. "1) that's a separate conversation. we have to stop the bleeding first."
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2) 2020 isn't enough. we lucked into a situation like that for a few years during the obama presidency and it wasn't enough because the house and states weren't in play. i'm talking about real get out the votes, not the bump that comes from anti-trump or obama's charisma.

3) that's exactly what happened during the depression and all the shit didn't get done, but plenty of shit still got done.

obviously it's a harder road with a conservative majority, but we're not even at that point yet.

4) i do believe some conservative justices will drift left if the country does, and thomas/alito are next up after ginsburg and breyer anyway.

  

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37. "we can win elections. or burn it down i guess. "
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but 10% more leftists actually showing up at the polls would be enough to make all this moot.

this started with the left not winning local/state/congressional elections. this will keep happening if we can't make those consistently competitive.

  

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45. "The GOP can lose the popular vote by 7 points and retain the House "
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That’s not democracy

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49. "repubs are the *third* largest political affiliation in this country"
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behind indies and dems. but hold all the power.

people keep framing political convos as repub vs dem but its really repub vs america. the majority of americans as a whole are against just about every major republican policy stance (guns, healthcare, abortion, etc).

the people who represent policies opposed by the majority of the country should never be anywhere near this dominant. and in a true democracy, they wouldnt be.

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51. "btw on the house popular vote margin issue..."
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those pop vote margin figures you see floating around are based largely on old math/maps.

its kinda flying under the radar but dems actually *lost* the house popular vote by about 1% but picked up a net 6 seats anyway. because of suburb pickups in normally gop areas. and we have seen this trend accelerate after the election.

so the map is being rapidly reshaped to the point where that estimated headstart may not apply anymore. some gerrymanders may turn into dummymanders and backfire on the gop.

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63. "this hasn't ever been a democracy and you're grossly oversimplifying. "
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that doesn't change what it would take to change things.

  

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42. "It's a defeated kind of day"
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>
>No snark intended, I’m genuinely defeated.
>
>Can Dems just walk the fuck out?
>
>I know they won’t, but could they?

I mean, they could, but unless they think it would stop 51 Republicans from voting to confirm, it won't do anyhting.

>Can some of this be undone if Cheeto is
>indicted/impeached/etc?

Probably not. There's not really a precedent to do it or not do it, so it's theoretically possible. Good luck getting a majority in both houses to agree to it, though.

>If Dems have the Pres and majorities in 2020,
>can they pack the court?

Theoretically, yes, but it would make the fight to pass health care back in 2009/10 look like a walk in the park.

>Are all Dems at least on board to vote no?

We'll see, but that's the decision for red state Dems. Are you going to get banged for voting against him or not? I don't know how much "Joe Manchin voted against Kavanaugh" would actually motivate voters in WV, but if it scares them into doing it, it probably doesn't matter.

>Any republicans wavering at all?
Nope

>Or are we all just fucked for 40+ years?
Basically this

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40. "did this repub just say that dems already had their minds set"
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that they were going to vote against him?

merrick garland just went to take a shit

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55. "if you read anything today, read this:"
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/redemption-court/566963/

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58. "great read"
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very long but really worth reading.

its really sickening how deep the racism runs.

why are companies considered people? breaks my brain to try to comprehend why "natural" people would prefer that companies have more rights than themselves.

while i strongly encourage everyone to vote i dont see it as the solution.

we need to get serious about organizing and forcing companies to do what is right.

  

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82. "wow I want to finish reading this tonight"
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>https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/09/redemption-court/566963/

  

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60. "White Power behind Kavanaugh"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmR4hllU8AIQdfa.jpg

  

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64. "this is definitely gaslighting, dystopian shit. "
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that's egregious trolling. we don't need to split hairs on whether it's possible she's racist or not, because it's all the same in the end considering the electorate that got her in that seat.

i'm going to need the "moderate" right to stop making excuses for this shit. national review said we should stop assuming trump's people are cartoon villains as a defense for her not possibly doing what it looks like she's doing.

but this is cartoon villain shit.

  

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71. "bingo."
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>i'm going to need the "moderate" right to stop making excuses
>for this shit. national review said we should stop assuming
>trump's people are cartoon villains as a defense for her not
>possibly doing what it looks like she's doing.
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>but this is cartoon villain shit.

  

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66. "The video is even more damning. I really can't believe this is ..."
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... the world we're living in.

https://twitter.com/deborahkherman/status/1037089074094530561/video/1

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65. "lol Ben Sasse. Good speech bro"
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67. "That, plus this? Viva la resistance!"
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/politics/mcconnell-democrats-judges-deal/index.html

Democrats are a fucking joke. They're paid to lose, and contain the left.

  

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68. "you know half of those judges were obama nominees right?"
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and another was a judge supported by both dem minnesota senators right?
and a dem nominee got a seat on the national labor relations board right?
and vulnerable dem senators (in a year where 10 dem senators are up for re-election in states that trump won) got some extra days to go home and campaign against their challengers right?

seems like a pretty good deal considering trump judges will all eventually get confirmed anyway unless dems take the senate (which is why having time to go home and campaign is so important).

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70. "Leahy making moves"
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Not for any grand, immediate conclusion - but he just made Kavanaugh look like a lyin' ass liar. And not even a particularly skillful one.

They're never going to get 2/3 votes in the Senate to remove him, but if you only need a majority in the House to put him on trial then that could be a particularly fun waste of time. I think they said the rest of the documents from his Bush tenure will be public by 2019-2010 anyhow? If you can't remove him, publicly embarrassing him for actually real perjury could be entertaining.

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72. "Ballsy Booker"
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Releasing confidential documents, apparently with the potential penalty of being kicked out of the Senate. Good stuff, dude.

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75. "Good on him"
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Hope he follows through

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76. "And Durbin signing on"
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Singling out, by name, Bill Burck - who's apparently been given authority to decide which documents are publicly accessible - as an unelected figure giving a fully partisan twist to the process.

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77. "interested to see how the lamestream media comes down on this."
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they criticized feinstein when she made some info public...completely overlooking the norm/democracy trashing and shadiness of the gop that even pushed feinstein and booker to this point.

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73. "kavanaugh was likely talking to someone from trumps lawyers firm"
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about the mueller investigation.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1037531080402919424

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74. "He's done a remarkably terrible job here"
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It won't matter, at least insofar as confirmation goes. But he looked like absolute dogshit when Harris dug in. Pretending he didn't know how to pronounce Kasowitz? C'mon. Not to mention that he more or less declined to deny he'd helped commit a crime when Leahy got him yesterday.

It's a show, but good on the D's for making it worth watching.

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78. "cant believe people actually wanted dems to walk out"
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79. "They clearly didn't account for Dem's history of bravery"
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I think everyone of those people would say that this is preferable to walking out of the process, but they expected most of the Dems to be spineless because, well, *gestures at the entirety of 21st century America*.

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80. "I'd have been fine with a walkout, but this really is better"
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81. "This right here is why Trump wants Kavanaugh."
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Trump will not answer federal investigators' questions, in writing or in person, about whether he tried to block the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election, Giuliani tells @AP

https://twitter.com/davidjoachim/status/1037846906725117952


https://apnews.com/d5d182b22ebf4f02b81187b94f068a80/Giuliani-to-AP:-Trump-will-not-answer-obstruction-questions

Giuliani to AP: Trump will not answer obstruction questions
By JONATHAN LEMIRE

NEW YORK (AP) — President Donald Trump will not answer federal investigators’ questions, in writing or in person, about whether he tried to block the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election, one of the president’s attorneys told The Associated Press on Thursday.

Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said questions about obstruction of justice were a “no-go.”

Giuliani’s statement was the most definitive rejection yet of special counsel Robert Mueller’s efforts to interview the president about any efforts to obstruct the investigation into possible coordination between his campaign and Russians. It signals the Trump’s lawyers are committed to protecting the president from answering questions about actions the president took in office.

It’s unclear if Giuliani’s public position has been endorsed by Trump, who has said he wants to answer questions under oath. Negotiations about the scope and format of an interview are still ongoing. If the legal team holds its stance, it could force Mueller to try to subpoena the president, likely triggering a standoff that would lead to the Supreme Court.

Mueller’s office has previously sought to interview the president about the obstruction issue, including his firing last year of former FBI Director James Comey and his public attacks on Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Trump’s legal team has argued that the president has the power to hire and fire appointees and the special counsel does not have the authority to ask him to explain those decisions. Giuliani said Thursday the team was steadfast in that position.

“That’s a no-go. That is not going to happen,” Giuliani said. “There will be no questions at all on obstruction.”

In a letter last week, Mueller’s team said it would accept written responses from Trump on questions related to Russian election interference. Giuliani suggested Thursday that Trump’s lawyers had agreed to those terms but wanted to prohibit investigators from asking follow-up questions.

“It would be in written form and if you want to follow up on our answers, justify it. Show us why you didn’t get there the first time,” Giuliani said. He said he was not categorically ruling out answering a second round of questions but the entire matter of whether there would be follow-up inquiries should be settled before the president answers anything at all.

“We aren’t going to let them spring it on us,” said Giuliani, who has served as lawyer-spokesman for the president’s personal legal team, using television interviews and public comments as a tactic in the negotiations.

In the latest letter to the legal team, Mueller’s office didn’t address obstruction questions, indicating investigators would later assess what additional information it needs from the president after receiving a response about the written submissions, according to a person familiar with the document.

The person familiar with the letter spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to publicly discuss the negotiations.

Though the president has publicly said he was eager to face questions from Mueller, his lawyers have been far more reluctant to make him available for an interview and have questioned whether Mueller has the right to ask him about actions that he is authorized, under the Constitution, to take as president.

Mueller’s team raised the prospect in March that it could subpoena the president, though this would unquestionably prompt a court fight.

The Supreme Court has never definitively ruled on the question of whether a president can be forced to testify, though the justices did rule in 1974 that Richard Nixon had to produce recordings and documents that had been subpoenaed.

In addition to questions about Comey and Sessions, Mueller has expressed interest in Trump’s role in drafting a statement to The New York Times about a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower attended by his son, Donald Trump Jr., and a Russian lawyer.

Trump Jr. took the meeting, emails show, after it was described as part of a Russian government effort to help his father’s campaign by providing derogatory information about Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Trump has said he knew nothing about the meeting before it happened.

Trump and Giuliani have led an onslaught of attacks on Mueller’s credibility, claiming that the special counsel was biased and that the entire probe was a “witch hunt.” Giuliani has also demanded that the probe suspend its activities with the midterm elections approaching, but the former mayor said Thursday he was not certain of Mueller’s intentions.

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83. "RE: This right here is why Trump wants Kavanaugh."
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/405518-giuliani-backtracks-obstruction-questions-not-ruled-in-or-out-for

Giuliani backtracks: Obstruction questions ‘not ruled in or out’ for Mueller
BY TAL AXELROD - 09/07/18 09:02 AM EDT

President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani is walking back comments he made to the Associated Press saying Trump wouldn’t answer any of special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions on obstruction of justice.

Those questions are "not ruled in or out," Giuliani told NBC News in an interview Thursday night, shortly after the original reports that he had said otherwise.

"We're very opposed to that we're not closing it off 100 percent," Giuliani also told Politico on Thursday. "We don't want to mislead and have them think it's easy, but we have also not closed our mind to it."

Mueller is investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and whether the president has obstructed justice as a means to hinder that probe.

Giuliani’s clarification came amid a reported internal debate among Trump’s legal team on if the president should sit down for an interview with the special prosecutor.

While Trump has said he’s eager to sit down with Mueller, his lawyers reportedly fear their client would perjure himself.

Giuliani didn’t completely close the door on the possibility of a sit-down interview between Mueller and the president.

"I think we're pretty close to an agreement, maybe this weekend," he said to Politico.

"We have said we would agree to written questions on Russia after we review questions but no further commitment on interviews. After we finish this we will assess it with no agreement to any post-presidential questions,” Giuliani told NBC News.

He added that for now there’s “no commitment on obstruction which are post-presidential matters” but says the legal team will agree to talk “after the collusion/pre-presidential questions are over."

Reports emerged on Tuesday that Mueller has agreed to accept some written answers from Trump regarding the investigation into whether his 2016 campaign worked with Russia amid the Kremlin's election interference.

Trump has repeatedly gone on the offensive against the Mueller probe, regularly trashing it as a “rigged witch hunt” and saying that there was "no collusion" with the Russians.

  

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84. "its crazy that repubs are about to jam through a nominee"
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that has been caught lying to congress (a federal crime) like 5 times in these hearings alone.

and that isnt even counting the shit he he has lied about in his past confirmation.

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85. "Even crazier that we'll be stuck with this shitgibbon"
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for the next 30+ years

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86. "If they are able to #MeToo this prick, I will do the shmoney dance in ti..."
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-alex-kozinski-sexual-harassment.html


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87. "What are Manchin, Donnelly, Heitkamp good for?"
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Like, we're supposed to be happy to have Dem representation in these states. But if they're not going to oppose Kavanaugh then what, precisely, are they worth to Democrats? If the threat to Roe isn't sufficient, then what is the big moment(s) when having the "D" next to their names means something more than, in the wise words of @cocksailor "conservatives who want a thank you card"?

*this is obviously in anticipation of him getting a Senate vote. I appreciate the pain in the ass that the Judiciary Committee Dems are throwing into this, but it's not going to work in any immediate way.

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88. "Have they said they're voting for him?"
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I hadn't heard much either way.

But I agree, these BIG votes are literally supposed to be THE thing they're good for. Nobody expects them to lead, or even vote good most of the time. It's for shit like this and repealing the ACA that they're supposed to do the right thing.

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89. "Manchin apparently stopped in to watch yesterday"
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My understanding is that Heitkamp and Donnelly are uncommitted, which seems like a "yes without saying so" right now. Somebody on CNN reported that Manchin said he wasn't bothered by Kavanaugh's answers, so that seems like an even clearer "yes" from him.

My irritation is pre-emptive, but an earned kind of preemption which feels justified by experience.

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90. "Relatedly, from the Hill: NRA targets Manchin"
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Weird how his 3.2% liberalism hasn't mollified Republicans. Never would have seen that coming.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/404963-nra-releases-add-targeting-sen-manchin

NRA releases ad targeting Manchin
BY MEGAN KELLER - 09/04/18 01:45 PM EDT

The National Rifle Association (NRA) released an ad Tuesday targeting Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) for his stance on gun control and urging votes to support his opponent in November's midterm elections.

"They want to take away your Second Amendment. You see what's going on. I don't think you want your Second Amendment played with," President Trump says in footage from a rally featured in the ad. "Joe Manchin always voted for Obama. And I like Joe, but Joe doesn't vote for us."

"We must elect Patrick Morrisey, we need him," Trump adds, endorsing the West Virginia attorney general.

The ad also emphasizes Manchin's D rating from the NRA.

Manchin's low standing with the NRA is a relatively recent development. The gun-rights advocacy organization endorsed Manchin in 2012.
"Joe Manchin is committed to protecting the Right to Keep and Bear Arms guaranteed to all Americans," said chairman of NRA's Political Victory Fund (PVF) Chris W. Cox at the time.

"His strong dedication and voting record have earned him an 'A' rating from the NRA-PVF, and we proudly endorse him for re-election to the U.S. Senate," he added.

Since 2012, Manchin has slipped lower in the NRA's esteem as he worked with Sen Pat Toomey (D-Pa.) to expand federal background checks, though their legislation has failed repeatedly in the Senate.

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91. "We'll have to see, hopefully Kavanagh being"
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one of the most unpopular SCOTUS choices in recent memory will influence them.

I'm still mad that nobody, not even the very vocal online DSA types, gave Manchin's primary challenger any love. I didn't even know she existed until after the race was over.

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92. "Yep, the teacher strike was an opportunity"
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I generally appreciate the DSA's kind of timid electoral approach. It's not a political party, and so they should be judicious about backing specific candidates. "Do they identify as a socialist?" seems like a useful, clear line. But you didn't say "DSA should" but rather that DSA types should, and I'm big on board with that. They did it for Cynthia Nixon (though she may have gotten an official endorsement at this point) and Swearengin, who I only heard of when she stepped up while Manchin was still being wishy washy on the teacher strike, may have been in a better position to win in a state who's got a strong union background that's riper for socialism than people know.

Oh well. Missed opportunity there.

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100. "Republican photo ops, that's what they're good for."
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>Like, we're supposed to be happy to have Dem representation
>in these states. But if they're not going to oppose Kavanaugh
>then what, precisely, are they worth to Democrats? If the
>threat to Roe isn't sufficient, then what is the big moment(s)
>when having the "D" next to their names means something more
>than, in the wise words of @cocksailor "conservatives who want
>a thank you card"?
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>*this is obviously in anticipation of him getting a Senate
>vote. I appreciate the pain in the ass that the Judiciary
>Committee Dems are throwing into this, but it's not going to
>work in any immediate way.

They are the white equivalent of the dude at your job there to fill out a role in the diversity picture for prospective employees and investors.

Kavanaughty out here sexually assaulting women? The fuck? Dems gotta obstruct this for Merrick Garland's revenge.

  

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93. "Kavanaugh victim comes forward"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAPPAJ1sT8g


The woman who has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct has identified herself and is speaking publicly about her allegations against Kavanaugh for the first time, according to a Washington Post investigation published Sunday.


Christine Blasey Ford, now a 51-year-old professor at Palo Alto University in California, described an incident between the two in high school, alleging that Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed one summer in the 1980s and forced himself on her.

Ford told the Post that Kavanaugh "groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it."

She also said Kavanaugh put his hand over her mouth when she attempted to scream for help.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” Ford said. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”

Kavanaugh last week denied the allegations, which were first reported last week.

"I categorically and unequivocally deny this allegation,” Kavanaugh said in a statement provided by the White House. “I did not do this back in high school or at any time.”

The White House reportedly provided the same statement to the Post on Sunday.

Ford told the Post that Kavanaugh and a friend, Mark Judge, were both “stumbling drunk” when they took her into a bedroom while they were at a house in suburban Maryland. Judge and Kavanaugh were both students at Georgetown Preparatory School.

Judge and Kavanaugh pushed Ford onto a bed in the room, where rock-and-roll music was playing at a high volume, Ford alleged.

According to her, Kavanaugh “held her down with the weight of his body and fumbled with her clothes, seemingly hindered by his intoxication,” the Post reported. She added that both of the boys were laughing “maniacally.”

Ford was able to escape when Judge jumped on top of her and Kavanaugh and broke them up, she said. She said she then locked herself in a nearby bathroom for five or ten minutes before leaving the house.

Judge told The Weekly Standard last week that the allegation against Kavanaugh is "just absolutely nuts."

Ford told the Post that she hasn’t spoken with Kavanaugh since the alleged incident and didn’t tell anyone about it until 2012, when she discussed it in couple’s therapy.

The Post reviewed the therapist’s notes, which reportedly don’t mention Kavanaugh’s name but say that Ford was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who would become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.”

Republicans in the Senate have said they expect Kavanaugh to be confirmed to the Supreme Court before October.

  

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94. "sounds legit"
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95. "the way that news hosts/panels have been dismissing this"
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as simply a democratic party stunt is kinda odd (i shouldnt be surprised at this point). joe and mika pretty much laughed at it. even bill maher was like meh.

apparently we are still anitahilling in 2018.

the fact that they all but entirely ignored the fact that kavanaugh provably lied under oath during *multiple* hearings is some shit too.

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96. "i, for one, am shocked joe and bill would be antifeminist assholes"
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97. "flake calling for a delay?"
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https://twitter.com/WaPoSean/status/1041449153841254401

i honestly think if they can get this woman under oath in public testimony for the entire country to see...this nomination could be toast. im not sure of the procedural grounds/hurdles for that after the committee hearings tho.

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99. "NOPE. Republicans LOVE Trump "
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Even the women.

Republicans care ONLY about power.

No way this will derail this.

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98. "here is the letter sent from the accuser to feinstein."
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/politics/blasey-ford-kavanaugh-letter-feinstein/index.html

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101. "You Can't Walk Back a Categorical Denial"
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https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a23278660/brett-kavanaugh-rape-allegation/

You Can't Walk Back a Categorical Denial

The Brett Kavanaugh hearings were already weird. Now they're about to get very rough.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
SEP 17, 2018


The Categorical Denial is a two-edged sword, which is why politicians and those nominated for seats on the Supreme Court avoid the Categorical Denial as though it were a subpoena from Vlad The Impaler. For example, one Doesn't Recall. One can Not Recall from hell to breakfast and the people who are opposing you can pound sand. One can Not Respond To Hypotheticals. One can Not Comment On Cases That Might Come Before The Court. All of these are perfectly legitimate Beltway strategies by which one can avoid the glistening blade of the Categorical Denial.

Most of the time, of course, they are laughable on their face. (Memorably, Clarence Thomas claimed he'd never discussed Roe v. Wade with anyone while he was in law school. This was either hilariously untrue, or Thomas went to a law school where nobody talked about the law, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case at Yale.) Nevertheless, if you have sufficient political support, and if you have the votes, then the institutions of free government generally will give you a slide on things.

But the Categorical Denial is a different level of threat. I am not a crook. We did not trade arms for hostages. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. These are Categorical Denials. They also are lies. They did nothing except give the politicians who uttered them endless grief, and those three men were presidents of the United States.

Throughout his hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Brett Kavanaugh, the president*'s choice for a lifetime gig on there Supreme Court, managed to dodge the Categorical Denial. He was not as slick at it as was Neil Gorsuch. He stammered and blathered and came off like someone who hadn't learned his lines very well. He was plainly wrongfooted by Senator Pat Leahy on the subject of Democratic committee e-mails that had been hacked while Kavanaugh worked at the White House. He managed to keep up the pretense, but you could see all the gears and flywheels working just below the surface.

He was an unconvincing performer giving an unconvincing performance. But he had (barely) sufficient political support, and he (barely) had the votes, so he looked like he was going to slide. But there was a certain stirring in the underbrush that gave his hearings a kind of spooky counter-melody. The massive credit card debt suddenly paid off. The 300-large worth of baseball tickets. The strange questions from Senator Sheldon Whitehouse about gambling. And a line of inquiry from Senator Maizie Hirono that seemed to come from even deeper left-field:


“Since you became a legal adult, have you ever made unwanted requests for sexual favors or committed any verbal or physical harassment or assault of a sexual nature?”

“No."


All of these curious questions were a direct result of those documents that the committee members have seen that are nonetheless kept secret from the rest of us. They know what's in there, and Kavanaugh knows that they know, but they can only vaguely hint at the material in open session. (This is the half-arsed policy that sent Senator Cory Booker up the wall.) Kavanaugh took full advantage of the protection this policy offered him. Until the end of last week, when a story appeared in The New Yorker about a woman who accused Kavanaugh of a brutal attempted rape when they were both high school students, and Kavanaugh found himself issuing a Categorical Denial.


“I categorically and unequivocally deny this allegation. I did not do this back in high school or at any time.”


Here's the thing about Categorical Denials. They push all your chips to the center of the table. If you're mistaken, or you've forgotten, or you did it but you were too sockless hammered to recall the events, you're just as done as if you were flat-out lying about the whole matter. Certainly, if you're trying to be a Supreme Court justice, you better hope there isn't evidence out there that you've somehow misplaced in your memory, because peddling untruths in public, and before the Senate, and under oath, is a guaranteed way back to your old job. So, if the woman in question steps up, bravely, and describes in detail what she remembers about the night in question, you can suddenly realize that there isn't quite as much limb under your feet as you thought there was.


The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and four others. Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stair well from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music precluding any successful attempt to yell for help. Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with REDACTED, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth I feared he may inadvertently kill me. From across the room a very drunken REDACTED said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when REDACTED jumped onto the bed the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stair well at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.


(According to an interview with the Washington Examiner, REDACTED is Mark Judge, a conservative Washington writer who has appeared in this shebeen once before. But bad sportswriting is only a fraction of Judge's oeuvre. He wrote a memorably awful piece about how he'd lost his white guilt when a black kid, he said, stole his bike. He dabbled in what can fairly be called skeevy photos of young girls. He wrote for Internet white-supremacist performance dummy Chuck Johnson's GotNews website. He wrote a memoir of being a blackout drunk...in high school. That he has such a prominent role in this saga is more proof that only 30 people actually live in Washington, and that they all know each other.)

The woman's name is Christine Blasey Ford, and she spoke to Emma Brown of TheWashington Post. To back up her story, she has notes from a 2012 marriage counseling session in which she told the story to a therapist. She also has taken, and passed, a polygraph test. Polygraph tests are not admissible in court, but they are nice things to have in your pocket when things get rough. And things are going to get very rough this week. Meanwhile, Brett Kavanaugh is standing by his Categorical Denial because that's another thing about Categorical Denials. You can't walk them back.

As Sunday rolled on, and the reaction rolled in, I began to wonder if, maybe, some of the Republicans in the Senate might just have had enough of this. While most of the attention was directed at Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, I was thinking as well about Jeff Flake and Bob Corker, two Republican senators who are retiring and who, therefore, have absolutely nothing to lose from delaying this hurried confirmation until, as a prominent Republican politician once said, we can find out what the hell is going on with Brett Kavanaugh. Both, admittedly, have been big-talking pillars of marshmallow in confronting this administration*. However, later on Sunday, Flake called for a delay in the process until Ford's charges can get a complete airing. Corker joined him a few hours later. Significantly, Flake is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which right now is split, 11-10, with a Republican majority. If Flake were to go over the side, the nomination would stall in committee.

I said last week that I feel just as strongly that Brett Kavanaugh will slither onto the Supreme Court as I do that he should be kept away from it with a moat of fire, if necessary. Offer me a bet, and that's still where my money goes. But these allegations, and the absolute brawl that is shaping up in the Senate this week, may just be too much for delicate constitutions to handle. I also believe that, if the committee vote is postponed beyond Thursday, or if it fails because someone like Flake defects, then this nomination is as dead as Kelsey's nuts.

Then, after sedating the president* heavily and throwing his phone off the Truman Balcony, someone in the White House will go back to the original Federalist Society-approved list of candidates and find someone who will be just as retrograde as Brett Kavanaugh, but who is a smoother and more accomplished prevaricator. Because that's the way American democracy works these days. If you don't lie well, find another line of work.

  

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102. "This woman is unbelievably brave"
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Knowing what they did to Anita Hill and still coming forward.

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103. "vote postponed. public hearing on monday."
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1041816473931538432

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104. "a few dynamics on Kavanaugh, based on my conversations with several top ..."
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https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1041890291815538688

(thread) a few dynamics on Kavanaugh, based on my conversations with several top Republicans today... 1. A week is a long, long time in politics and many people involved in Sen and at WH priv. see next Mon's planned hearing as an eon away and still wonder if it'll happen...

... and there are ongoing debates internally over whether Dr. Ford wants to go through with it, whether Judge Kavanaugh can hold on, and whether the votes in Senate GOP can hold until then. 2. While the WH wants to drive the process, McConnell remains central to everything...

... McConnell is the one who early on thought Judge Thapar would be best choice, but went along w/ WH. Now, as process cracks open, he's asserting himself even as he remains a team player. Allies tell me his priority is the SCOTUS seat, not protecting Kavanaugh every news cycle.

3. Don't underestimate the jockeying going on in GOP circles for a post-Kavanaugh world. Advocates for Hardiman, Coney Barrett, Thapar all talking w/ plugged-in friends in Congress or WH, ready for the possibility of further disruption of Kavanaugh nomination between now and Mon.

4. Kavanaugh's most important ally right now is Don McGahn, the soon-to-be departing WH counsel who has made Kav's confirmation his personal legacy project/swan song, eager to score one last victory for the conservative legal estbmt. Huddled w/ the judge most of Monday...

5. McGahn's ability to keep a tight grip on the WH side of the Kavanaugh nom. will be tested in coming days. He still has capital w/ POTUS going back to campaign and Gorsuch, but it has been depleted over time... McGahn working closely w. Hill & legal Rs to keep Sen Rs together

6. Several GOP consultants who work on Senate races tell me they don't want a hearing, period, at this point in the election year in the #MeToo era. Too charged, too unpredictable, they say. Expect this private grumbling to be heard more publicly as nerves over next Mon grow...

7. The other concern about next Monday's scheduled hearing among top Rs: the likely blizzard of questions for Kavanaugh about his teenage habits, behavior, alleged drinking during that period, etc. Wld be more than just a "he says, she says" endeavor. Under oath. Unpredictable.

8. So, you have an on-edge Senate GOP and a WH in defense mode + a president so far typically defensive of his pick, but also watching it all play out... I'll be at Cap on Tuesday to find out more... here's our latest deep dive from late Monday (end)

https://t.co/ETIEuFxmpA

  

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106. "I predict the hearing won't happen and he gets confirmed "
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Ain't no one's midterm election bid hanging on the outcome of the supreme court confirmation. What voter is gonna be like "well I was gonna vote for Ted Cruz, but then he voted to confirm Kavanaugh. So now I'm going for Beto."?

I don't see why the GOP wouldn't just force this through. Unless they don't want Kavanaugh. Which isn't that wild of a possibility

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107. "The election dynamic is more complicated than that. "
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>What voter is gonna be like
>"well I was gonna vote for Ted Cruz, but then he voted to
>confirm Kavanaugh. So now I'm going for Beto."

In a mid term, the biggest issue isn't a voter flipping from GOP to Dem, but on how much to the Dem base even goes to vote. Because if the same percentage of Dem voters actually voted then the GOP would be losing seats left and right.

  

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109. "Yeah, the goal would be to get more pink hats to come out and vote"
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and maybe a few red soccer moms who had been groped at parties in high school stay home.


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108. "lol "
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After they announced the hearing.

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111. "Never in the history of Congress has something not happened as scheduled"
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126. "*disappointed/depressed/pouty emoji*"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/us/politics/christine-blasey-ford-kavanaugh-senate-hearing.html

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105. "Genuinely didn't think this would happen"
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115. "dems played this kinda masterfully imo."
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from deciding not to walk out to the timing of this drop. even feinstein having a certain level of plausible deniability (while coming under fire for either not releasing it earlier or releasing it at the opportune time to put a monkey wrench in shit).

the media was kinda shitting on dems, saying this was dirty, saying this was a desperate hail mary, etc. damn near everyone switched to being sincere/concerned once the accuser came out into the open tho.

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110. "Kavanaugh accuser has not yet agreed to attend hearing"
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/18/grassley-kavanaugh-accuser-hearing-827921

Kavanaugh accuser has not yet agreed to attend hearing

By ELANA SCHOR, BURGESS EVERETT and ELIANA JOHNSON 09/18/2018 10:07 AM EDT Updated 09/18/2018 12:21 PM EDT


The woman who has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her decades ago has not yet confirmed her appearance at a public hearing the GOP is planning next week, a top Republican senator said Tuesday.

Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said that his staff has reached out to Christine Blasey Ford’s camp several times since the California-based professor came forward with her story of a high-school-era assault by President Donald Trump’s high court pick. Although Ford’s lawyer said that her client would be open to “a fair proceeding,” it remains unclear whether she would agree to a planned hearing on Sept. 24 that Republicans have set up to help save Kavanaugh’s nomination.

The lack of response so far “kind of raises the question, do they want to come to the public hearing or not,” Grassley told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt on Tuesday. As of late Tuesday morning, Ford had not agreed to appear, according to a person close to the nomination.

"Our staff reached out to Dr. Ford’s lawyer with multiple emails yesterday to schedule a similar call and inform her of the upcoming hearing, where she will have the opportunity to share her story with the Committee. Her lawyer has not yet responded," said Taylor Foy, a spokesman for Grassley on the committee.

Republicans have billed the public hearing as an opportunity for both Kavanaugh and Ford to share their sides of the story. GOP leaders made that decision under pressure from undecided members of their conference — chiefly Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), a Judiciary member who said he would vote against Kavanaugh in the committee if senators didn’t get more of a chance to hear from Ford.

"We have a woman who has come forward, she deserves to be heard, it's important that her voice and her story is shared," said Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), an undecided swing vote on the nomination, on Tuesday.

One Kavanaugh ally suggested that Katz, a well-respected veteran of high-profile sexual misconduct cases, has “tried to impose some serious conditions on” Ford’s testimony, though it's unclear what those conditions are.

Democrats had received no new commitments from Ford as of Tuesday morning.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) pushed back hard on the fast turnaround of the hearing and called for testimony from Mark Judge, the third person whom Ford alleges was in the room at the time of the assault. The GOP’s plan to omit Judge and hear only from Kavanaugh and Ford is “simply inadequate,” Schumer said.

Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware, a Judiciary Democrat, said he would attend a hearing if it’s just Kavanaugh but is also pushing for far more, including an appearance from Judge.

“I do not think we will be meeting the test of a full and fair hearing without Mark Judge present, without Dr. Ford present and without the FBI doing an expanded background check,” Coons said. “There are questions to ask of now. I do hope Dr. Ford comes forward and is treated respectfully.”

Flake, however, was unsure whether Judge would be called for the committee.

“I’m not sure whose witness he would be," he said.

If Ford and her lawyer ultimately opt out of the GOP’s public hearing invitation — Democrats have skipped a staff-level call with Kavanaugh on the matter, casting doubt on their participation — Republicans will face another tough decision on whether to press ahead with the nomination.

After Democrats declined to participate, Republican staff interviewed Kavanaugh on Monday evening. Foy said the nominee was "forthright and candid."

One top Republican on Judiciary, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, said Monday night that he expects the committee to push for a vote on Kavanaugh next week regardless of whether Ford agrees to the GOP’s public hearing.

“She can come if she likes, but if she doesn't want to, she doesn't have to,” Graham said on Fox News. “Kavanaugh can come, and I think he will. We will vote on Wednesday.”

Grassley himself, however, declined to commit to any timing for a committee vote on Trump’s Supreme Court nominee in brief remarks to reporters Monday night as he left the Capitol following a chaotic day of speculation about the future of Kavanaugh’s nomination.

While the GOP waits to hear about whether Ford will testify, they also are discussing the use of a third-party to question Ford in an effort to make the hearing appear more fair and less political, according to one GOP senator. But Grassley appeared uncertain whether that approach could succeed, quipping Monday night that “I don’t know how you shut a senator up if they want to ask questions.”

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) on Tuesday tweeted that she'll recommend to Grassley that counsel for Ford be allowed to question Kavanaugh, and Kavanaugh's counsel be allowed to ask questions of Ford.

Sen. Doug Jones (D-Ala.) also floated the idea of an independent counsel.

“It would be better to have either counsel for the majority or minority staff that might do this. It could be independent counsel. Or designate one or two senators. We don’t need 13 or however many senators continuing to pound both witnesses,” said Jones.

The high degree of uncertainty surrounding Monday’s planned hearing has left official Washington on a state of high alert about Kavanaugh.

In conversations with associates, one Judiciary Committee staffer put the odds of Ford testifying before the full committee at 50 percent and said there was just a 25 percent chance she’d appear at a public hearing.

Whether or not Ford agrees to appear, Republicans’ initial goal of getting the 53-year-old appeals court judge confirmed in time for the Oct. 1 start of the Supreme Court’s term is already in serious jeopardy.

Asked if Republicans would agree to a hearing later than Monday if Ford’s camp asks for that delay, Grassley said only that he is “taking things step by step.”

The committee’s top Democrat, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, questioned why Grassley is limiting witnesses to the committee and argued the GOP is still rushing the nomination.

“Chairman Grassley today said there would be only two witnesses invited to testify at the Kavanaugh hearing next week on sexual assault allegations. Compare that to the 22 witnesses at the 1991 Anita Hill hearing and it’s impossible to take this process seriously," Feinstein said. "This is another attempt by Republicans to rush this nomination and not fully vet Judge Kavanaugh.”

  

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113. "if she shows up i think she sinks the nomination."
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if i was the gop...i wouldnt even ask her shit. its really a high risk low reward game for an entire republican side filled with nothing but men to be up there trying to disprove an alleged sexual assault while sounding like relics from a past era.

then when its vote time...its either you dont believe her...or you believe her but you dont think its important enough to vote down the nominee. looks pretty bad in both cases.

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114. "Nvm - misread your post."
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112. "Wait.. so all this sketchy shit he did as an adult is ok"
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but that one party in HS stops the show?

The fuck is going on?

shut up already, damn

  

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116. "so they delayed the vote and now Trump and the republicans "
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are saying that the democrats are showing bad faith because they held onto a document related to Kavanaugh's rapey ways. Ironic that they ignore the fact that thousands of documents related to Kavanaugh's record are being ignored as they sit over in the national archives.

  

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118. "Def ironic. But also, it's not like they didn't *want* to use it."
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They just have respect for human beings unlike the Repugs and wanted to be sure the victim was ready before releasing it. At least that's how I understand it.


>are saying that the democrats are showing bad faith because
>they held onto a document related to Kavanaugh's rapey ways.
>Ironic that they ignore the fact that thousands of documents
>related to Kavanaugh's record are being ignored as they sit
>over in the national archives.

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119. "man I am SCREAMING"
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IG: amadu_me

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117. "*600+* alumni stand with dr christine blasey ford."
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https://www.standwithblaseyford.com/

fuck your 65 person character letter lol.

yeah this is turning into some iconic metoo movement shit now.

they are starting to peel the skin off dudes friend/witness too. dems should push to get him under oath.

i honestly would only be slightly surprised with they pulled the nomination. seems like things are snowballing (and i have a sneaky suspicion that mitch lowkey kinda wants to tank the nomination to teach the wh a lesson about going against him).

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123. "Any professional WH would have pulled the nom two days ago."
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It can only hurt them at this point.

So they're gonna hold hearings and argue out which of them is lying, in a committee hearing? And the ENTIRE R side of the aisle (everyone who will be trying to impugn her side of the story) is an old white man?

I don't see how that can be anything but accelerant for the blue wave.

And then, he'll almost certainly lose the final vote (the wobbly Dems now have a perfect justification for voting no, as do Collins, Murkowski, even Flake and Cornyn). So regardless, they'll be putting up someone new anyway. They could skip the ugly step (again, with an easy excuse for the anti-abortion nuts) and actually have a fresh face to promise before the midterms.

Trump gets a lot of unexpected advantage out of his "never back down under any fucking circumstances" strategy. But this looks like it's stacking up to be a spectacular failure.

  

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127. "Aw man I wish I had even a shred of your optimism lol."
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I have absolutely not a single doubt in my mind that this nomination succeeds, hearing or no hearing. And I'm only like 25% confident this hearing even takes place.

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132. "Oh it's not optimism."
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They're still gonna get someone through, unless they REALLY fuck up and let this go past the seating of the new Senate (and along the way, the Dems win control, which is also unlikely).

The Supreme Court will still be a servant of injustice for the rest of my life.

It's just a matter of how much it costs them to get there.

  

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131. "agreed on all fronts."
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120. "Kavanaugh on video, "What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetow..."
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"What happens at Georgetown Prep, stays at Georgetown Prep. That's been a good thing for all of us"

https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1042133456740909057

  

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137. "Kavanaugh Transcript Submitted to Senate Omits "What happens at Georgeto..."
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Kavanaugh Transcript Submitted to Senate Omits "What happens at Georgetown Prep..."

https://tyt.com/stories/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA/1FM2NrgYRiekqIeoiWugai

  

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121. "Mark Judge says he won't testify."
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/407296-kavanaughs-classmate-tells-senators-he-wont-testify

  

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122. "That’s gotta be big"
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I’m seeing folks on the left (rightfully) citing Franken. Not that
the GOP cares about being hypocrites, but seems
like it’s piling up.

  

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124. "RE: Supreme Court Nomination hearing.. Scary shit in the US"
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Mazie hirono is pissed. She was at a press conference earlier today wondering where the men are

  

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125. "Accuser wants FBI to investigate before testifying"
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Yeah. He's getting confirmed next week sometime. No hearing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/feinstein-says-republicans-making-same-mistakes-anita-hill-n910546

Kavanaugh accuser wants FBI to investigate before she testifies at Senate hearing


WASHINGTON — The scheduled hearing next Monday on Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court appeared to be in even further doubt Tuesday, as lawyers for Christine Blasey Ford, who has accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her when they were in high school, said that she wants an FBI probe into the incident before testifying.

In a letter addressed to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, Ford's attorneys wrote that "a full investigation by law enforcement officials will ensure that the crucial facts and witnesses in this matter are assessed in a non-partisan manner, and that the Committee is fully informed before conducting any hearing or making any decision."

Her attorneys, Debra Katz and Lisa Banks, also said their client has been "the target of vicious harassment and even death threats," and that as a result, "her family was forced to relocate out of their home."

"We would welcome the opportunity to talk with you and Ranking Member Feinstein to discuss reasonable steps as to how Dr. Ford can cooperate while also taking care of her own health and security," they added.

The letter comes after Grassley said Tuesday morning that he had extended invitations to both Kavanaugh and Ford to testify before the Judiciary Committee on Monday. Kavanaugh accepted, but Ford and her attorneys had remained mum.

"We have reached out to her in the last 36 hours, three or four times by email and we’ve not heard from them, so it kind of raises the question, do they want to come to the public hearing or not?" Grassley said on The Hugh Hewitt Show radio show.
In an interview on CNN's "AC360" Tuesday night, Banks, when asked to clarify whether her client would testify Monday if the FBI agrees to investigate, Banks said, "There's no reason that we should have a public hearing on Monday given what has occurred."

Ford's request for a law enforcement investigation prior to appearing before the Senate echoes the calls of several Democrats on Judiciary Committee Tuesday, who argued that any public hearing should wait.

“We should honor Dr. Blasey Ford’s wishes and delay this hearing. A proper investigation must be completed, witnesses interviewed, evidence reviewed and all sides spoken to. Only then should the chairman set a hearing date," said the panel's top Democrat, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., in a statement following news about the letter.

The FBI, however, isn't likely to conduct any investigation into the veracity of Ford's claims, unless the White House asks for it. Several current and former Department of Justice and FBI officials told NBC News that has always been the practice.


But President Donald Trump indicated Tuesday that he did not currently plan to make that request.

"I don’t think the FBI should be involved because they don’t want to be involved," Trump told reporters at the White House. "If they wanted to be, I would certainly do that."

Republicans have indicated that next Monday's hearing could be Ford's sole chance to speak before the committee. Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas, a member of the Judiciary Committee, noted to reporters at a Senate GOP leadership press conference Tuesday that she was offered the choice of testifying in an open or closed session.

Responding to the uncertainty around the hearing and Ford's lack of a response, Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, told reporters Tuesday: "That's very puzzling to me...I really hope that she doesn't pass up that opportunity."

Democrats protested other aspects of Monday's hearing, too, lambasting the GOP for rushing the process and for not calling additional witnesses beyond Kavanaugh and Ford. Many drew parallels between the current situation and how allegations made by Anita Hill 27 years ago were handled after Hill came forward with sexual harassment allegations against Justice Clarence Thomas during his Supreme Court confirmation hearings.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said on the Senate floor Tuesday morning that it would be unacceptable for senators to hear from witnesses just a day or two before being asked to vote on the nomination.

He also called it "inadequate" for the committee to hear from only two witnesses on Monday and said that Mark Judge — who Ford said was a witness to the incident — should also testify.

"Let's not repeat the mistakes of the Anita Hill hearings," Schumer said. "Let's call all the relevant witnesses."



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128. "Ford says that Grassley scheduled the public hearing expecting her to te..."
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Wow. Blasey Ford says that Grassley scheduled the public hearing expecting her to testify “at the same table” as Kavanaugh. At the same table as the man she says once tried to rape her.

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1042207015970529280

  

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130. "this is smart if she can pull it off."
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assuming the incident really took place...kavanaugh would either have to plead the 5th or lie to the fbi.

i dont if grassley wants to play hardball with an alleged sexual assault victim (he prolly does lol) but damn near every option looks bad for the r team (just canceling the hearing and moving forward with the nomination process might actually be the least bad tho).

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133. "Fuck."
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Can't blame her, but the right will spin this as "she's lying and afraid to go under oath." This might put us back where we were a week ago.

  

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134. "if she backs out of the hearing then this was all a waste of time."
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i understand the position she is in and why she would be hesitant. but she requested a public hearing (which was a longshot in itself) instead of private interviews, her lawyer said she was willing to testify publicly, and repubs actually conceded. she has to take advantage of this or it will all look like a sham/scam in a lot of eyes (and prolly hurt dems a good bit too).

the fbi investigation request (which the wh would have to approve) is a big ask on top of a big ask.

theres precedence with the fbi investigating claims (anita hill, clinton accusers, etc) but we know repubs dont care about any of that shit. this hearing is prolly the best anyone could hope for.

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142. "Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't"
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129. "love the diversity in this post"
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135. "The FBI did investigate Anita Hill's accusation, and it took 3 days"
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/19/politics/anita-hill-clarence-thomas-allegations-timeline/index.html

  

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138. "Them needing to stick to a timeline is such BS"
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There's no reason they need him on the court this quickly. They waited a full year to pick Scalia's replacement, the only reason to confirm him next week is if you're hiding something.

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139. "RE: Them needing to stick to a timeline is such BS"
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>There's no reason they need him on the court this quickly.
>They waited a full year to pick Scalia's replacement, the only
>reason to confirm him next week is if you're hiding
>something.


They want him there by Oct. 1. That's when the new SC session begins. He cannot give an opinion on any case that he has not been present for oral arguments.

  

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140. "We're not even two years removed from the time we went"
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a full year with eight justices and these folks didn't have a problem.

Let them wait.

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136. "Any FBI investigation of efforts to deter an alleged sexual attack victi..."
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Any FBI investigation of efforts to deter an alleged sexual attack victim from testifying at an upcoming Senate hearing — a federal crime under 18 U.S.C. § 1512 — would have to look into the substance of the alleged attack. No WH request needed!

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1042491426741858305

  

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141. "The "impartial" Chief Counsel for Nominations is out here tweeting"
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about how they WILL confirm Kavanaugh, unfazed and determined.

Can't imagine why someone wouldn't want to testify about a sexual assault to these guys.

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143. "Kavanaugh accuser open to testifying next week"
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/20/kavanaugh-supreme-court-ford-831112

Kavanaugh accuser open to testifying next week

But an attorney for Christine Blasey Ford writes that she won't go before the Judiciary Committee Monday.

By BURGESS EVERETT and ELANA SCHOR 09/20/2018 10:41 AM EDT Updated 09/20/2018 04:06 PM EDT

Christine Blasey Ford is "prepared" to testify in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee next week about her accusation that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in high school, but is ruling out the Senate GOP's plan to hold the hearing on Monday.

Ford's attorney Debra Katz told the Senate Judiciary Committee that Ford "wishes to testify, provided that we can agree on terms that are fair and which ensure her safety," in an email obtained by POLITICO and first reported by the New York Times. Senate Republicans have offered her public or private testimony before the committee, whatever makes Ford feel most comfortable.

"A hearing on Monday is not possible and the Committee’s insistence that it occur then is arbitrary in any event. Dr. Ford has asked me to let you know that she appreciates the various options you have suggested. Her strong preference continues to be for the Senate Judiciary Committee to allow for a full investigation prior to her testimony," Katz wrote. She added that she wants to talk to top Judiciary Committee staffers on Thursday.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky,) would not answer questions about whether Ford should be accommodated or whether the hearing must occur on Monday.

A spokesman for Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said: "We are glad to finally hear back from them."

While Katz's note puts the burden on Grassley to decide whether to accommodate her, Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination nonetheless appears back on track for the moment. The GOP is increasingly confident and Democrats decidedly alarmed that the Supreme Court nominee will be confirmed despite a sexual assault allegation against him.

Ford’s attorneys and Democrats have asked for an FBI investigation into the alleged assault in high school and more witnesses to appear before the panel, but the GOP has shrugged them off.

Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.) said on Fox News on Thursday that if Ford and the committee can't work out a hearing and provide new information, "after the time we’ve spent on this, it's time to move forward and get the votes in next week.”

Kavanaugh “says he is innocent. And we have to get this information out. If the person who has this information doesn't provide it, then I think it's time we face the reality that we need to move on. We have already spent 50 percent more time confirming Judge Kavanaugh than the last six judges. It's time to get this to a decision," Perdue said.

Senate Democrats have asked for Monday’s hearing to be delayed given the circumstances and Ford’s discomfort with the format. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) said Thursday that Ford should skip the “sham hearing” if the FBI doesn’t investigate, and some of her colleagues are fretting that Kavanaugh will be confirmed whether Ford testifies or not.

“They’re going to get this guy on the court come hell or high water,” Sen. Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) said in an interview. “I’m going to continue to raise my voice.”

“I do hope she testifies, but I deeply respect her hesitation,” Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) told reporters at the Capitol. He argued the delay both Democrats and Ford are seeking is not unreasonable: “This doesn’t need to take months but it should take a few days.”

Indeed, Grassley told committee Democrats in a Wednesday evening letter that the hearing will proceed. He said it was be a “disservice” to everyone to “delay this hearing any further” and said he will view additional complaints about the committee process “very skeptically.”

Grassley also put the blame on Democrats for the manner in which a letter Ford wrote about her story, given confidentially to Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) in late July, was leaked to the press. “This is but the latest — and most serious — of your side’s abuse of this confirmation process," he said.

Mike Davis, Grassley’s chief counsel for nominations on the committee, tweeted that he interviewed Kavanaugh “under penalty of felony” if the nominee lied to him, while Ford’s attorneys “can’t find time between TV appearances.” Davis added that he is “unfazed and determined. We will confirm Judge Kavanaugh.”

“We got a little hiccup here with the Kavanaugh nomination, we’ll get through this and we’ll get off to the races,” said Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) on a call with Republicans on Wednesday, according to The Nevada Independent.

Ford has accused Kavanaugh, 53, of groping and forcing himself on her at a party in Maryland, when there were both in high school. A number of Senate Republicans say they have personally asked him about the allegations in the past few days, and they all say that Kavanaugh has denied them as strongly privately as he has done publicly.

Members of Ford’s family circulated a public letter of support for her amid reports of death threats that forced her to leave her home. “Her honesty is above reproach and her behavior is highly ethical and respectful of everyone’s point of view,” they wrote.

The Kavanaugh nomination’s lurch into scandal comes at a critical moment for Washington as a whole: The midterm elections are barely a month away, and McConnell is closing in on a fundamental remake of both the Supreme Court and lower level courts.

If his nomination moves forward, Kavanaugh seems increasingly likely to be the first Supreme Court nominee approved along party lines, as undecided Democrats continue to come out against him. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) announced her opposition, which she linked to the nominee’s campaign finance record rather than Ford’s allegation, on Wednesday night.

Kavanaugh currently lacks the votes to be confirmed, with no Democratic support and a trio of GOP senators publicly undecided. But Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) laid out the general GOP frame of mind: Barring extraordinary testimony by Ford or new damaging information about Kavanaugh, he will be on the court.

“If ultimately we have seen sort of these allegations that have been out there in the press but no testimony about it has been presented … based on that information and not just that but everything else we know about Judge Kavanaugh, we'll have to make a decision,” Rubio said on Fox on Thursday morning. “I continue to be supportive of his nomination.”

In theory, Kavanaugh's nomination could proceed through the Judiciary panel to the full Senate as early as next week. And it’s possible McConnell could still meet his goal of confirming Kavanaugh by the time the court opens its fall session on Oct. 1, though a final vote could drift into October if there are new questions raised about him or accommodations made for Ford.

Meanwhile, Republicans heard from an unwelcome voice on the topic: Roy Moore, the disgraced Alabama Republican candidate who lost last year when confronted with sexual misconduct allegations of his own. Moore said the GOP needs to get behind Kavanaugh, though the party did not do the same for him.

“Republicans need to take a stand. I think a lot of them don't,” Moore told One America News.


Rebecca Morin and Ramsen Shamon contributed to this report.

  

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144. "i still stand by my prediction that *if* she testifies"
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than the nomination is sunk.

the gop job in the hearing is essentially to discredit the accuser and that aint gonna play too well with the majority of americans. even if they trip her up on some inconsistencies or something...its gonna look like a bunch of old white men intimidating a sexual assault victim whose only 'crime' is being an unpolished/unprepared witness on the stand.

kavanaugh is already underwater in approval rating. the 1st time thats happened since they started polling. even with a bush nominee that crashed and burned.

all of this gives vulnerable dems cover to vote with the party and puts more pressure on some repubs to defect without being bailed out by the vulnerable dems.

the governor and lieutenant governor of alaska just came out against him over tribal issues...putting pressure on murkowski to abandon him since that was a key voting bloc for her last election win.

i wouldnt be surprised if some key repub elected state officials come out against him too now that they see how unpopular he is.

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145. "Some NEWS on a call that Katz, the attorney for Ford, had with Judiciary..."
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Some NEWS on a call that Katz, the attorney for Ford, had with Judiciary earlier as they negotiate terms of hearing next week, per senior Senate source --
--Katz raised concerns about security and how to ensure Ford's safety
--Katz raised concerns about potential outside counsel


(bringing in an outside counsel would make it too trial-like, they believe)
--Ford does NOT want Kavanaugh in the room when she testifies, and she asked that Kavanaugh testify first
--Raised prospect of subpoena for Mark Judge and other potential witnesses


Oh! One more tidbit from the call. They are discussing Thursday as a potential hearing date but that is not yet locked down

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1042924047615623170

  

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146. "this development right here is peculiar if true:"
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https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1042956172851068928

especially if it has anything to do with this:
https://twitter.com/EdWhelanEPPC/status/1042893987747713024

the fact that they are shifting from casting doubt on whether that party even took place or those people were even present...to outright framing another student lol...it makes me think there is something floating around that they know would upend their 1st defense strategy.

also their reason for avoiding the fbi investigation is basically because it now disrupts the regular order of the senate/committee. but what would you call bringing in outside counsel then? clearly they are aware of how bad the visual is of *them* interrogating her.

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147. "The Ed Whelan thing is completely bonkers"
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I think the most likely scenario is that he caught whatever DC brainworm infected Eric Garland and Seth Abramson, just for the other side. The most hilarious part is that he found a house nearby that country club that belonged to a classmate of Kavanaugh, and, rather than uttering an entirely sensible "oh shit, maybe she's telling the truth" actually doubled down and concocted a theory whose entire structure is built around the true, but dumb fact that every white kid at Georgetown Prep looks exactly the same.

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148. "Gonna be honest, I thought they would go with "demonic possession""
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before "it was a doppleganger" as a defense.

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149. "looks like it was coordinated with hatch and kav.."
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https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1042982604339916800

dude is tryna retract it now.
https://twitter.com/EdWhelanEPPC/status/1043117304152817664

but fox and friends already blasted it out to millions.
https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1043097493410639872

the whole party is dumb/crazy.

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150. "Jesus hell at that retraction"
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I thought for sure that the doppelganger suspect had agreed to fall on his sword for this. What a fucking creep.

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154. "He needs to be pressed about his involvement in this"
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If only to set him up for possible perjury charges.

We saw how he acted when asked about Trump's law firm, so he's probably going to spend most of it trying to act like he can't pronounce "Ed Whelan" but they should still do it.

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158. ""I have not communicated at all with Don McGahn or anyone at the White H..."
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"I have not communicated at all with Don McGahn or anyone at the White House, or Judge Kavanaugh, about the topic of the Twitter thread," @EdWhelanEPPC tells me just now, in a brief phone interview.

Whelan declined to answer further questions.

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1043145703302856704

  

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161. "Has Whelan mentioned WHERE he got all this from?"
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Because he seems to have a lot of (false) knowledge about a suburban DC prep school's social circles and home addresses from decades ago. He didn't go to school there, so who supplied him with it, if not Kavanaugh?

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175. "he also hired a well known pr firm to help with rollout strategy."
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https://twitter.com/elianayjohnson/status/1043272230476677121

no way he did all of this alone.

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156. "Senate GOP has two “non-starters” for Ford testimony: 1- Issuing Sub..."
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New: Senate GOP has two “non-starters” for Ford testimony: 1- Issuing Subpoenas for Judge or other witnesses, Senate does not take subpoena requests from witnesses, ie, Ford. 2- Making Kavanaugh testify first, he should have chance to respond to Ford. -Senior GOP Senate Staffer

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1043122428438872064

  

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151. "Trump: Where was the police report?"
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"I have no doubt that, if the attack on Dr. Ford was as bad as she says, charges would have been immediately filed with local Law Enforcement Authorities by either her or her loving parents. I ask that she bring those filings forward so that we can learn date, time, and place!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1043126336473055235?s=19

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152. "Saw Grassley and Graham and Hatch being huge assholes and thought"
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I'll show them!

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153. "The RNC right now: http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/ooooh.gif"
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http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/ooooh.gif

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159. "How does any woman vote R?"
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Racism >>> self interests

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160. "RE: How does any woman vote R?"
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Racism, money and internalized misogyny are three of the most powerful things in America. But at SOME point Serena Joy has to wake up, right?

(This is rhetorical.)

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171. "It should be interesting"
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to see Sarah Huckabee Saunders further sell her soul as she tries to justify this latest Trump disaster.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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155. "In today's Yale Daily News: what Brett Kavanaugh was up to back in his s..."
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In today's Yale Daily News: what Brett Kavanaugh was up to back in his school days, when he belonged to a secret society known as "tit and clit". Motto: No means yes. Yes means anal.

https://twitter.com/joycemaynard/status/1042777761381838848

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/09/20/a-flag-of-underwear-photo-from-kavanaughs-time-shows-dke-hijinks/

  

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157. "McConnell just now on Kavanaugh: "you’ve watched the fight, you’ve w..."
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McConnell just now on Kavanaugh: "you’ve watched the fight, you’ve watched the tactics. But here is what I want to tell you, in the very near future Judge Kavanaugh will be on the United States' Supreme Court."

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1043143343126073344

  

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162. "Maybe all the dems are trying to do is piss women off enough to come"
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out in Nov.

Maybe they knew they would never stop the confirmation and are trying to get something out of it.


I feel bad for Dr. Ford. There was no up side for her anywhere in this and it is happening just like she was afraid it would happen and she came forward anyway.


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164. "Her life as it was is over"
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This is the rest of her life now. Doesn't mean her *life* is over, but she's a public figure/flashpoint for ractionaries/part of the history books forever now. Can't imagine what that's like. Anita Hill's probably the only person who can really understand.

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165. "If that’s true, I respect the hell out of it"
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And if it’s true, it leads me to believe the Dems may actually be coordinated

>out in Nov.
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>Maybe they knew they would never stop the confirmation and are
>trying to get something out of it.
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>I feel bad for Dr. Ford. There was no up side for her
>anywhere in this and it is happening just like she was afraid
>it would happen and she came forward anyway.
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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166. "Dems plot massive campaign if Kavanaugh falls"
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https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-am-e10ee0a7-491a-4004-8bd8-c3526f630795.html

1 big thing: Dems plot massive campaign if Kavanaugh falls

If Brett Kavanaugh's nomination sinks, Democrats would turn the midterms into a referendum not just on President Trump but also women’s rights, abortion and the future of the Supreme Court, sources tell Axios CEO Jim VandeHei and me.

In what Republicans believe is an increasingly unlikely scenario where Kavanaugh tanks ...

Dems believe they can juice turnout — already hitting record levels — by playing off the huge public attention to the court, and Roe v. Wade in particular.

They envision President Obama and Michelle Obama locking arms with the Clintons, the Bidens, and Democratic congressional leaders to crank up a presidential-election-sized campaign.

They feel confident every rich liberal in America would help fund this effort.

If Democrats downed Kavanaugh, the White House would be inclined to nominate someone at least as conservative, or even more vocally so — perhaps Judge Amy Coney Barrett of Chicago, a Catholic conservative.

Brian Fallon, executive director of the progressive court group Demand Justice, said such a choice "would simultaneously electrify evangelicals on their side, and animate progressives on our side."

"There wasn’t anybody else on the short list who has more pronounced positions against abortion and Obamacare," Fallon said. "It wouldn’t take a lot to explain the urgent threat to progressives."

Be smart: Matt Miller, a former aide to Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer, told me that a court opening during the stretch run of midterms would "convince Democrats all around the country, many of whom have been afraid that nothing matters anymore, that some things still do matter."

  

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