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https://slate.com/culture/2018/08/the-ny-times-response-to-sarah-jeongs-controversial-tweets-blames-bigotry-on-many-sides.html

BROW BEAT

In Latest Concession to Conservative Trolls, New York Times Blames Bigotry on Many Sides

Sarah Jeong is not “the real racist.”

By INKOO KANG

AUG 02, 20188:09 PM


Most of the time, being a writer isn’t very fun, and being a writer of color is even less so. Being a writer is a privilege, but writing has always been lonely work. Even for those of us lucky enough to have full-time staff jobs, it can frequently feel isolating to be in a predominantly white setting, the only commonality between fellow writers of color often being our place on our companies’ bottom rungs. It’s no surprise, then, that writers of color (and those of other marginalized groups) have forged communities on Twitter and other social media platforms, where we can communicate in languages that don’t necessitate cultural or linguistic code-switching. Sometimes, those languages allow us to speak more freely, with words or attitudes that are out of bounds in the publications we write for. Other times, they represent experimentation in new forms of cultural or comedic expression. Earlier this week, I retweeted a post that requires both English and Korean fluency, mostly because I thought the tweet was funny, but also as a small token of Korean American pride. I occasionally see, say, Muslim or Cuban American writers whom I follow on Twitter making similar in-group jokes I don’t get. That’s fine. In most cases, I believe people should be able to affirm their identities in the ways they see fit.


But those communities now appear to be in danger. The alt-right is on the hunt for journalists’ heads, and their latest tactic, it appears, is to take tweets out of context and weaponize them against liberal writers. This week, the target of organized conservative trolls is tech and legal reporter Sarah Jeong, a widely respected thinker set to join the New York Times’ editorial board next month. The far-right Gateway Pundit got the ball rolling by claiming that Jeong’s Twitter is “littered with racist filth,” and other, more respectable sites, like Fox News and the National Review, have since followed suit. Among Jeong’s alleged offenses: “#CancelWhitePeople,” “Dumbass fucking white people marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants,” “I just realized why I can’t stand watching Breaking Bad or Battlestar Galactica. The premise of both is just ‘white people being miserable.’ ” To the pitchfork wielders on Twitter claiming that Jeong is the “real” racist here, the Times responded by treating their new hire like a disappointed parent: “For a period of time (Jeong) responded to (sexist and racist online) harassment by imitating the rhetoric of her harassers. She sees now that this approach only served to feed the vitriol that we too often see on social media. She regrets it, and The Times does not condone it.”



To the pitchfork wielders on Twitter claiming that Jeong is the “real” racist here, the Times responded by treating their new hire like a disappointed parent.


The Times’ bigotry-on-many-sides explanation is infuriating for a number of reasons. The first is that, as Splinter News’ Libby Watson notes, Jeong’s tweets were clearly jokes, not policy proposals. When people of color rail against white people, that’s often shorthand for speaking out against the existing racial structure that serves to keep white people in power. The jokes that people of color make at the expense of whites are furthermore not supported by past and present state and corporate institutions. A white American telling an Asian American to “go back to where you came from,” for instance, isn’t the same as an Asian American saying the same to a white American, even if neither individual can claim ancestral roots as America’s first residents. To claim otherwise is to be blind to the history and social dynamics of this country.

But that’s pretty much what the Times did with its explanation. It more or less validated the dangerous misconception that conservative trolls harassing a woman of color in a male-dominated field, an action that could potentially drive away even more marginalized voices, is equal to a woman of color joking about “canceling” white people, which carries no real-life weight because that doesn’t mean anything. White fragility is real, and so I’ll grant that some readers may have had their delicate skin stung by Jeong’s comments, but it’s more than likely that the very same trolls who tried to endanger Jeong’s position at the Times were acting in bad faith. The Times also ignores the fact that the current alt-right hysteria about besieged whiteness is also fuel for a violent movement that uses its power in the White House to justify inhumane and racist policies.


Jeong’s apology for her “white people” tweets, which mostly mirrored the Times’, includes two extra elements worth considering. “These comments were not aimed at a general audience, because general audiences do not engage in harassment campaigns,” she wrote. “I can understand how hurtful these posts are out of context, and would not do it again.” She notes, with the screen grabs to prove it, that she has been the victim of “torrents of online hate,” while implying that her allegedly offensive comments were meant for a specific audience: most likely other users of color who related to her frustration at America’s racial structure as well as white users with the cultural understanding to know where her jokes were coming from. Jeong’s statement that she “would not do it again” is disappointing, because it suggests her participation in Twitter communities that welcomed those tweets may now be curtailed. That has the effect of making professional advancement come with a price: the separation of those who are ascendant and thus endlessly scrutinized from factions where they may have felt more at ease. (All that, while writers who wish to make strides in their career are pressured to constantly produce engaging content for free to build a “social presence.” Twitter was and is still considered a way for writers to be seen, but that same visibility is now costing them their jobs and communities.) Meanwhile, aspiring writers of color watching this “scandal” unfold may be scared off from engaging with a frequently nourishing community they might otherwise call an online oasis.


As for the Times, it’s difficult not to notice how protective it’s being of white feelings at a time of renewed and active discrimination against people of color. Earlier this summer, the Times’ op-ed team (which is separate from its editorial board) published a treatise on the intellectual sidelining of the Jordan Petersons of the world.* The following week, they put forth, practically back to back, pieces about how liberals’ meanness and smugness were responsible for a newly insurgent movement toward racism and misogyny. And earlier this week, a contributing writer essentially advised progressives to stop calling a racist person racist, at least to their face. It’s tempting to see the Times’ approach to the Jeong kerfuffle as tactical, given its older white readership who enjoyed decades in which people of color’s jokes about white people were forced to stay underground or out of earshot. But now is not the time to accommodate the already privileged.

  

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Really pisses-off above-it-alls when they have to play by the same rules...
Aug 03rd 2018
1
She shouldn't be fired and there was nothing racist about her tweets
Aug 03rd 2018
3
If she was fired I could see why
Aug 03rd 2018
5
      What about them is racist in your opinion?
Aug 03rd 2018
6
           "#CancelWhitePeople" Imagine if it said "#CancelBlackPeople"
Aug 03rd 2018
7
           WHY ISN'T THERE A WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION?
Aug 03rd 2018
9
           While everything you say is true...
Aug 03rd 2018
12
                It's the NYT
Aug 04th 2018
19
                     I know... just saying if she was let go it wouldn’t be an OMG moment.
Aug 04th 2018
20
           I wanna cut all those white people
Aug 03rd 2018
14
                That does not and has never mattered
Aug 04th 2018
18
                     it doesn’t matter to you
Aug 04th 2018
22
                          "I was going to vote for a Dem, but someone on the NYT ed board tweeted
Aug 06th 2018
37
                          RE: "I was going to vote for a Dem, but someone on the NYT ed board twee...
Aug 07th 2018
80
                          wait, how does "who the NYT hires" affect votes?
Aug 07th 2018
81
                               that's not what i said
Aug 07th 2018
85
                                    hey mcfuck
Aug 07th 2018
90
           While we know there are layers to this and hit dogs...
Aug 03rd 2018
11
have y'all missed that flipnile is 100% pro white supremacist?
Aug 04th 2018
17
You seem really upset that whites "get put on blast for calling ppl nigg...
Aug 05th 2018
33
      is flip white?
Aug 06th 2018
45
      I don't know, I really haven't paid that much attention to them
Aug 06th 2018
52
           smh. Y'all dudes.
Aug 06th 2018
54
      "You seem really upset" == passive agressive weak dude talk
Aug 06th 2018
55
           Because the things she says are good and true
Aug 06th 2018
56
           Everything you've posted is shit talk. You've added NOTHING.
Aug 07th 2018
89
                Because your points have been made by every single
Aug 07th 2018
100
                     Nope. You've just moved on to 'guilt by association' fallacy
Aug 08th 2018
184
           You have "strong principals"? How?
Aug 06th 2018
57
                Because I don't make up shit like this:
Aug 07th 2018
88
                     You're so fucking obtuse.
Aug 07th 2018
140
                          While I don’t agree with flipnile 100% he has a point
Aug 08th 2018
179
                          they really don’t though
Aug 08th 2018
182
                               I’m not saying they are exactly the same thing
Aug 08th 2018
186
                          You literally put quotation marks around that phrase in post #57.
Aug 08th 2018
183
                               it's a comparison to the type of shit you're on, not a direct quote
Aug 08th 2018
188
                                    Edit: Okay.
Aug 09th 2018
228
                                         You don’t do critical thinking
Aug 09th 2018
274
Andrew Sullivan is the worst thing the UK produced in the last 100 years
Aug 03rd 2018
2
Not while Piers Morgan exists he isn't
Aug 06th 2018
43
True
Aug 07th 2018
82
the "journalist" he sourced to pull up her tweets tried that move on me
Aug 06th 2018
64
good point about the PooPooGate
Aug 07th 2018
79
Asian women are people of color?
Aug 03rd 2018
4
nonwhite = POC
Aug 03rd 2018
8
If she were South Asian instead of East Asian, would that change it?
Aug 03rd 2018
10
When do you use PoC for black people except...
Aug 03rd 2018
13
PoC is old school
Aug 03rd 2018
16
      Colored People = Black | People of Color = Non White
Aug 04th 2018
21
      How old you school you talking? I only hear Asian and Black People
Aug 05th 2018
35
           Last time I used it was prolly 2 years ago.
Aug 05th 2018
36
                I've been hearing progressive Latino's and Asians talking about PoCs...
Aug 06th 2018
38
                     Good for you.
Aug 06th 2018
40
                          haha, Buddy is right on this one bruh.
Aug 06th 2018
46
                               White negro I know technically it’s the correct term
Aug 07th 2018
87
                                    haha hey don't get snarky with me either!
Aug 07th 2018
97
lol
Aug 03rd 2018
15
She should have used 'minorities'
Aug 04th 2018
23
RE: She should have used 'minorities'
Aug 04th 2018
26
RE: She should have used 'minorities'
Aug 04th 2018
27
      People who do social justice/equity work have used the term for years
Aug 04th 2018
28
      I know technically they are but I’ve never heard the term used for Asi...
Aug 05th 2018
32
           Let's admit the term is used when it's politically beneficial most times
Aug 06th 2018
47
                definitely agree with this
Aug 06th 2018
48
      nice sig.
Aug 04th 2018
29
White people 8% of the global population but WE the minorities? SMH.
Aug 05th 2018
34
I know South Asians who refer to themselves as Brown
Aug 04th 2018
24
Yellow beauty
Aug 04th 2018
25
      how the hell did you find this stuff before the internet?
Aug 04th 2018
30
      Maximum Rock N Roll and Bleeker Bob's
Aug 04th 2018
31
           RIP Bleecker Bob's and holy shit at that Virus comp
Aug 06th 2018
50
                ah, yeah......
Aug 06th 2018
51
      YB
Aug 06th 2018
49
you serious bro?
Aug 06th 2018
42
      Yup. All my years interacting with Asian women
Aug 06th 2018
44
This whole thing is catnip to the alt-right.
Aug 06th 2018
39
i'm kinda torn on this
Aug 06th 2018
41
Thing is, I don't get on public social forums and take general shots at
Aug 06th 2018
53
Yup. When you get on Twitter and start pollock painting
Aug 06th 2018
58
they don't care if you make it easy or not.
Aug 06th 2018
61
      On page 1 of this board, we've got Walleye's post about
Aug 06th 2018
62
           "everyone seems to get...." aaaaah............
Aug 06th 2018
63
not everyone has had the experience to understand preemptively
Aug 06th 2018
60
don't give me no "torn" bullshit.
Aug 06th 2018
59
Not equivalent at ALL to anti-POC racism -- but it's obviously racism.
Aug 06th 2018
65
what's racist about it? go ahead and explain
Aug 06th 2018
66
      Actually the burden to explain is on whoever claims her tweets AREN'T.
Aug 06th 2018
67
           no, that's not how that works.
Aug 06th 2018
68
                Some of her tweets are obviously racist on their face.
Aug 06th 2018
69
                     cool, that will make them even easier for you to point out and explain.
Aug 06th 2018
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                     You've read all the same tweets. You know.
Aug 06th 2018
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                          you literally only need one. and then you'll have put the pie directly i...
Aug 06th 2018
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                          just one bro!
Aug 06th 2018
74
                               Links.
Aug 06th 2018
75
                                    you have to say what's racist about them
Aug 07th 2018
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                                    Oh so you are just trolling? Because if not, get your story straight --
Aug 07th 2018
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                                         I mentioned that one because you listed it first.
Aug 07th 2018
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                                              OK so you're just trolling. That's sad. You know they're racist.
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                   You can't prove that I do. but if they are, you'd be able to explain how...
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                        What's sad is you think you're somehow fighting white supremacy.
Aug 07th 2018
133
                                                             did I say that I am? link me to the quote.
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                                  And your claim I haven't read anything not written by white supremacists...
Aug 07th 2018
141
                                                                       easy, you proved it.
Aug 07th 2018
143
                                                                            You didn't prove shit, I read HER OWN STATEMENT
Aug 08th 2018
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                                                                                 her statement didn't reference that tweet specifically
Aug 08th 2018
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                                                                                 You're a liar and not even good at sophistry.
Aug 08th 2018
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                                                                                 I edited the post one minute after I wrote it.
Aug 08th 2018
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                                    how are those racist?
Aug 08th 2018
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                                         the idea that they've broken the agreed upon hard and fast rules
Aug 08th 2018
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                                              the pearl-clutching calls of white racism are actually pretty racist
Aug 09th 2018
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                                                   which is why "so why is it racist exactly?" is an interesting q
Aug 10th 2018
329
                                                        you're right. the key-word is indeed "perspective"
Aug 11th 2018
385
                     imagine how awesome it'll be when you show me those tweets
Aug 06th 2018
71
Some want to pretend that they don't know what I'm talking about
Aug 07th 2018
83
we know what you're talking about
Aug 07th 2018
84
Sarah Jeong doesn't work in a salon, though
Aug 07th 2018
86
weird how none of you losers can point to one racist tweet
Aug 07th 2018
91
Before I respond
Aug 07th 2018
92
I think there are things she could say
Aug 07th 2018
93
When she says "Cancel white people"
Aug 07th 2018
94
      why would you believe that it is?
Aug 07th 2018
96
           My definition of racist remarks?
Aug 07th 2018
99
                what's untrue about "white people suck?"
Aug 07th 2018
101
                and that's not even what she said!
Aug 07th 2018
104
                RE: and that's not even what she said!
Aug 07th 2018
106
                     did I say that you did? I said some people
Aug 07th 2018
107
                I have zero fear of someone saying "cancel white people"
Aug 07th 2018
110
                     Good for you. Never go to prison.
Aug 07th 2018
115
                          ....what?
Aug 07th 2018
117
                          i mean, that's pretty sound advice.
Aug 07th 2018
121
                               I mean, you got me there.
Aug 07th 2018
122
                                    haha
Aug 07th 2018
124
                          *nods sagely*
Aug 07th 2018
120
                               it's all fear. which is a fair response.
Aug 07th 2018
128
                                    I've seen racial violence against whites, moron.
Aug 07th 2018
129
                                         whoa dude, moron is quite derogatory.
Aug 07th 2018
130
                                         Actually, I'll amend that. You personally do have 0.0 power
Aug 07th 2018
131
                                              show me how you quantified that 0.0
Aug 07th 2018
134
                                         also, "moron" and "retarded" are ableist words
Aug 07th 2018
132
                                              We agree there, and I will make the effort. Fuckstick.
Aug 07th 2018
136
                                                   awesome bro
Aug 07th 2018
137
                are you sure it's untrue? explain how it's derogatory
Aug 07th 2018
102
                     Oh. Yeah, bad faith. No thanks.
Aug 07th 2018
103
                          what's "bad faith" about asking you to not change the words?
Aug 07th 2018
105
                               Give me an example of a sentence
Aug 07th 2018
109
                               This is ridiculous man.
Aug 07th 2018
111
                               "Prove" jews don't run the world, or it's derogatory to say they do!
Aug 07th 2018
112
                               to say they do would be clearly inaccurate and easily disprove
Aug 07th 2018
116
                                    Why would anti-semitism be bad though
Aug 07th 2018
119
                                         so is that a serious question or no?
Aug 07th 2018
123
                                              Antisemitic bad, antiwhite neutral (or even good!)
Aug 07th 2018
126
                                                   the only one saying that is you.
Aug 07th 2018
127
                               if you say that it's untrue then you should be able to prove it.
Aug 07th 2018
114
                               I don't think you know what derogatory means?
Aug 07th 2018
113
                               you'll notice he immediately abandoned the "bad faith" argument
Aug 07th 2018
125
I have not said that it is impossible for her to be racist against white...
Aug 07th 2018
95
      Edited before your reply, got it. n/m
Aug 07th 2018
98
see reply 7
Aug 07th 2018
142
      your post doesn't make sense
Aug 07th 2018
144
           Are you going to be okay?
Aug 07th 2018
145
                so, given the opportunity to explain why it's racist -- you can't.
Aug 07th 2018
146
                     define racist
Aug 07th 2018
147
                          if you say it's racist, then that's what you have to do.
Aug 07th 2018
148
                               reply #142 (not so long ago)
Aug 07th 2018
149
                               has a mod ever been banned?
Aug 07th 2018
150
                               He seems to think someone is going to get "tripped up" if that OKP
Aug 07th 2018
152
                               you're the one pointing to reply numbers.
Aug 07th 2018
155
                                    you're calling what I quoted a "vague one-liner" so we can go into
Aug 07th 2018
158
                                         you're going to have to conjugate your verbs so that your reply is legib...
Aug 07th 2018
159
                                              I'm going to have to go round and round and if I stop
Aug 07th 2018
163
                                                   nah I only win if you reply a dozen more times
Aug 07th 2018
164
                                                        :(
Aug 07th 2018
166
                                                             ikr?
Aug 07th 2018
167
                               look at this loser here.
Aug 07th 2018
154
                               which tweet said anything like that? point it out?
Aug 07th 2018
153
                                    this is from reply #142 as well
Aug 07th 2018
156
                                         one of those tweets is not the full tweet.
Aug 07th 2018
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                                              I gave you the tweets I read in reply #142
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                   oh, so you're reading other people's copy and pastes
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                        I read what was in reply #142
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                             I know, that's exactly what I said.
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                                  My point for getting into this exchange in reply #149 was for
Aug 07th 2018
168
                                                                       so...you have no argument and nothing to add or say
Aug 07th 2018
169
                                                                            Pretty clear: speak you peace about it all and not bit by bit to just
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                                                 I don't think you know what "peace" means
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                                                      I don't know what it means
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                                                      that's what I said.
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                                                      the point of my facetious statement was......
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                                                      exactly, you don't know what it means and you used the wrong word.
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                                                      oh, really
Aug 07th 2018
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                                                                                      I don't know why that would be something you'd need to cite.
Aug 07th 2018
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                               weird...he didn't break it down.
Aug 07th 2018
170
Archive Please as evidence the level of discussion here has deteriorated
Aug 07th 2018
138
we're out here successfully addressing ableism
Aug 07th 2018
139
Yup
Aug 07th 2018
151
White-Bashing: don't knock it til you try it (swipe)
Aug 08th 2018
180
This article is on point.
Aug 08th 2018
187
Niggas really doin whataboutism on this lol...not surprised
Aug 08th 2018
181
I think the easiest answer is yeah she said racist shit, but who cares
Aug 08th 2018
190
      Basically.
Aug 08th 2018
191
      I'd personally go with term derogatory at worst here...
Aug 08th 2018
192
      the problem is, she didn't directly tweet to the people trolling her
Aug 08th 2018
193
      lollll
Aug 08th 2018
195
      I don't think cats got time to divide dogs up into different
Aug 08th 2018
197
      *plays that Sarah MacLaughlin SPCA commercial song*
Aug 08th 2018
198
      First off, you ever been scratched by an angry cat?
Aug 08th 2018
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      who is redefining it?
Aug 08th 2018
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      I said deragotory at worst....meaning even THAT is a stretch
Aug 09th 2018
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      good way to put it but opens up some questions also
Aug 08th 2018
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           and that's one of the things that's interesting about
Aug 08th 2018
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                let's face it these people coming for her head are simplistic & vindicit...
Aug 09th 2018
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                     I think we are obligated to make them work for it.
Aug 09th 2018
225
      cool, just explain how anything she said is racist.
Aug 08th 2018
194
      To say white people smell bad, are dumb and are only fit to live
Aug 08th 2018
199
           exactly. you can't show that they're racist by any measure
Aug 08th 2018
200
           OK well change the term to bigoted or derogatory, not much defense
Aug 09th 2018
223
           wait, she said all white people are dumb?
Aug 08th 2018
201
           So because she didn't say "ALL white people are dumb" this isn't
Aug 08th 2018
202
                you're well on your way to being labelled a high schooler with
Aug 08th 2018
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                is it a generalization? make the case.
Aug 08th 2018
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                     To say white people are dumb is to make a general statement regarding
Aug 08th 2018
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                          but people are dumb.
Aug 08th 2018
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                          RE: but people are dumb.
Aug 09th 2018
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                               enlighten me so that I may walk in truth and victory
Aug 09th 2018
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                                    maybe try an exercise
Aug 09th 2018
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                                         clearly I am, since you read my replies and you decided I am.
Aug 09th 2018
221
                          was her statement about an experience with an individual?
Aug 08th 2018
212
                          That's definitely MIB (1), not the sequel
Aug 09th 2018
226
                          You are correct, I have erred. I apologize to all who I have hurt
Aug 09th 2018
227
                          I have to believe you know this is gibberish. You can't believe you are
Aug 09th 2018
233
                               It has to be boredom/sport, that's the only explanation.
Aug 09th 2018
235
                               two decades of being mad at me is not good for your soul
Aug 09th 2018
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                                    o ard
Aug 09th 2018
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                               http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg
Aug 09th 2018
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                               so you can't explain why her statement is racist
Aug 09th 2018
277
                          it's weird to me that we'd rather this statement is 'obviously' racist
Aug 08th 2018
213
           I guess it doesn't matter to me if they're "racist," are they harmful?
Aug 08th 2018
208
                BINGO! (c) Ralph Lawler
Aug 09th 2018
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                True
Aug 09th 2018
229
                I've changed my mind. It is harmful. Not to white people but to black ...
Aug 09th 2018
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                     this is pretty much what i was saying earlier
Aug 09th 2018
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                     It's about being honest when friends, allies, and people you agree
Aug 09th 2018
236
                          How so?
Aug 09th 2018
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                               Not just the definition, but staying away from dishonest
Aug 09th 2018
241
                                    I won't debate the hypocrite thing...on it's face it looks cute
Aug 09th 2018
244
                     Who are the folks you're worried about looking like a hypocrite in front...
Aug 09th 2018
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                     Anyone who's not a PoC inside the United States.
Aug 09th 2018
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                          Good luck with that (reaching some moral purity where they will find no ...
Aug 09th 2018
243
                     They ALREADY don't take you seriously, though
Aug 09th 2018
245
                     Spot on...but...you know...... when they go low.... lol
Aug 09th 2018
246
                     We punch their dicks?
Aug 09th 2018
249
                     It's not the trump supporters you don't want to be hypocrites
Aug 09th 2018
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                          People become allies because they see your humanity, faults and all
Aug 09th 2018
265
                          Moral arguments DO matter
Aug 09th 2018
270
                          who are these phantom allies?
Aug 09th 2018
288
                     ok, name one person who would've taken a charge of racism seriously
Aug 09th 2018
281
      Oh, it clearly affected some of the people in this post
Aug 08th 2018
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ITT: 0% ethos, 0% logos, 100% pathos.
Aug 09th 2018
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Plea cops and moving goalpoasts
Aug 09th 2018
237
They have been doing this for years!
Aug 09th 2018
247
Ok, then acknowledge that you're not sticking to any sort of ethical
Aug 09th 2018
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      /end
Aug 09th 2018
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      But you're assuming I find her statements hurtful
Aug 09th 2018
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      Hurtful ≠ racist
Aug 09th 2018
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      To what end, though?
Aug 09th 2018
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           I'm saying at least acknowledge the facts internally
Aug 09th 2018
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                Peep this
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                Here is an essay with some further exploration on this
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                     so which parts don't you endorse specifically?
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                I don't have a problem with what she said
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                     I'm not going to join them publicly. But in here....we family
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                          Fair enough, and I can't really be mad at this response
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                          why feel the need to take a position at all?
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                               http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg
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                                    oh, you're not one of the good guys fif was talking about I get it.
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                                         http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg
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      What if she were your boss?
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           I'd love for her to be my boss
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           You white?
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                Yes I am, and it would be worth it to hear some good goblin jokes
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           the white people she actually has worked with support her, so
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                All of them? What’s your source?
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                     burden of proof is on you
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      you haven't shown any evidence of inconsistency.
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      Yup. End post. You have intellectual honesty or you don't.
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           exactly, and y'all don't.
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You mean in post #142, where you posted half of the Oxford definition
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RE: You mean in post #142, where you posted half of the Oxford definitio...
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RE: You mean in post #142, where you posted half of the Oxford definitio...
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      I read "dang white people are dumb". That's it.
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           let's try this again........................../end
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           YOUR interpretation....not anything that was actually written, though
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                Actually I'm just going off what's written...
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                     Either a word fits the definition, or it doesn't. you've yet to show
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                     So RJCC has multiple accounts y'all.
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                          I do, that's not one of them.
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                          the real mystery is a guy lies about the meaning of a word and
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                     show me the same statement by trump where I've said it was racist?
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dude you gave away the game!
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      lol
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      it's really sad when the average board poster is worse at this
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           I can't believe you're being asked "how did they lie"? below
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                ^Okay now that's Reggie.
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                I am deeply offended that you think I would call out the lie
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                Yeah..
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                     cool, explain how.
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                          I'd rather you don't figure it out, tbh.
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                               wait, how does this work?
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                                    Surely You are All Sarah Jeong?
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                                         so, that's not what facebook's rainbow flag filter means
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                                              I wouldn't ride with a racist either.
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                                                   where did I ever say I rode with her?
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                Only 98% sure? Shit if you're going to be wrong, go all in
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                I think he thinks he'sdoing my thing back at me?
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      How did he lie?
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           knowingly presenting a "definition" that was incomplete
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                see this is why I hate answering y'all's questions
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Thank you for your integrity.
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      all we can do is try
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           What's the definition of racism, again?
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                ohh...you need me to define the word especially for you too...
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                     how does it make them inferior?
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                     burden of proof is on you...prove it doesn't
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                          let me guess how this is going to go........"No, you......"
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                          LOL, it was entertaining for a few minutes...now I've grown tired of the
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                               just like I said you wouldn't.
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                          I didn't claim that at all. You claim they're being portrayed as inferio...
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                     lol. It was the omission of "specifically" and the rest that followed
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                          The "we need teh moral high ground" crowd awfully quiet on this
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                               This is what you wrote in #260:
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                                    s/specifically/especially...better? Now how about using the real def?
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                                         you really messed up, dude
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                                              show me where I used a definition containing "specifically"
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                                                   361
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                                                        in the title? Oh, what was I use the definition on?
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                                                             RE: in the title? Oh, what was I use the definition on?
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                                                             in reply #365, you were acting like "specifically" and
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                                                                  no...that means "search for specifically, replace with especially"
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                                                                       why would I search for "specifically" when it is right there
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                                                                            whoosh
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She was trolling
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You sure?
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      what are his reasons for wanting to cancel black people?
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           We only know he's written hundreds of similar tweets
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                we need an analysis of each tweet
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                /thread
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                Exactly. Total bad faith.
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                what am I hiring him for? is he good at it?
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                     You win.
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                          *shrug*
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wait, is Heather Heyer's mom a racist?
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This is just dumb.
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that's an ableist term
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Clearly.
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      just out here stereotyping people wildly
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           Imagine if she said "It took a black girl dying for people to pay attent...
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                it's bizarre to me that people have fallen for this
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                RE: Imagine if she said "It took a black girl dying for people to pay at...
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                     Sarah Jeong killed him? After beating those women in a salon?
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                     duh and Sarah made #PermitPatty and #BBQBecky call the cops
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                     Fuck...Sarah tipped off Zimmerman about Trayvon
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                     um, what?
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Another hot as hellfire take
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BASIC STANDARDS OF CIVILITYYYYYYYY
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      Keep destroying those strawmen, you liar
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           that's not a straw man argument.
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i don't have the energy right now
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who are the good guys?
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well for instance
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      twist what? You didn't name anyone.
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           Obama speaking on Mandela's 100th birthday
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                If you didn't have anything to say, you could've just not replied.
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Totally disgraceful. Zero intellectual honesty.
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      not even 0.1? How do you quantify that?
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           Zero.
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                oh, you don't have any evidence. ok.
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Laura Ingraham = not racist
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are you having a stroke?
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      the burden of proof is on you...prove I'm having a stroke
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           I asked if you're having a stroke, I didn't say you're having a stroke.
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Microaggression, or Social Justice Talk? (handy chart)
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that poor poor oppressed white man
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Thankfully, ppl can explore logical inconsistencies
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      Have to get people to agree on what they mean by racism first
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      right, like the ones where you claim something is racist
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Well, that's one of the dumbest things that I've read this week
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they're now targeting a white microsoft employee
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Weird, because these people don't make attacks in bad faith
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quick question for the Jeong is racist crowd:
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It appears that same energy was not kept.
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Fuck, guess this means the white genocide is happening
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Chuck Wendig
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flipnile
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1. "Really pisses-off above-it-alls when they have to play by the same rules..."
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...that they initially wanted.

White people getting put on blast and fired for typing "nigger" or making negative comments targeted toward a specific race.

But she shouldn't?

Huh?






It's why I don't trust these folks AT ALL. They have no honor and are immoral.

  

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3. "She shouldn't be fired and there was nothing racist about her tweets"
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5. "If she was fired I could see why"
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NY Times may not want that white lash

not sure if it’s racist but it’s something... especially when most of her colleagues are white and some of them prolly are exactly like she described.

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6. "What about them is racist in your opinion?"
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Or something?

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7. ""#CancelWhitePeople" Imagine if it said "#CancelBlackPeople""
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Fri Aug-03-18 02:27 PM by flipnile

          

https://www.google.com/search?q=jeong+tweets&source=lnms&tbm=isch


Also the underlying theme of extermination, extinction and how much she dislikes white males in particular.

Again, if she was targeting Mexican males (for example) then this would be a completely different conversation. The whole "it's not racist/sexist/homophobic when *WE* do it" thing needs to die.

It just shows no honor, morals or principles.

  

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9. "WHY ISN'T THERE A WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION?"
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>https://www.google.com/search?q=jeong+tweets&source=lnms&tbm=isch
>
>
>Also the underlying theme of extermination, extinction and how
>much she dislikes white males in particular.

She's not advocating exterminating anyone, wtf are you talking about? How hurt do you get when a black comedian makes a "white people are like _____" joke?

>Again, if she was targeting Mexican males (for example) then
>this would be a completely different conversation. The whole
>"it's not racist/sexist/homophobic when *WE* do it" thing
>needs to die.

It would be a different conversation because context actually matters. Someone calling ICE on a Mexican (legally documented or otherwise) can fuck up their entire life, the equivalent for a white person doesn't exist. Nobody is getting white genocided because Jeong tweeted "white people smell like wet dogs and sunburn."

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12. "While everything you say is true... "
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still, once you enter white spaces you have to deal with white faces

I ain’t special but if my employer knew what I typed on here? Ionno... just sayin’

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19. "It's the NYT"
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They regularly inflict us with Bret Stephens and Ross Douthat and Bari Weiss. They'll survive having someone who doesn't literally believe white racists are the most oppressed people in 2018.

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20. "I know... just saying if she was let go it wouldn’t be an OMG moment. "
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14. "I wanna cut all those white people"
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Is another one of her tweets, she was responding to some article, not sure what the context was. NY Times giving some great talking points to the Trumpies and alt right crowd.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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18. "That does not and has never mattered"
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They spent 8 years yelling about how Obama was going to make do white genocide when he bent over backwards to be everyone's best friend.

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22. "it doesn’t matter to you"
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but maybe it should. It is true that many Trump supporters are not rational, but it is perfectly rational and logical to question whether or not it is appropriate for The NY Times should hire someone with a history of tweets like this. There are many people who will vote for Trump again no matter what, but not all of them. So it does matter, because white people vote and it’s things like this that could sway votes. Maybe tweets like “I wanna cut all those white people” are cool beans with you but it’s not crazy for people to find them offensive.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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37. ""I was going to vote for a Dem, but someone on the NYT ed board tweeted"
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'white people think mayonnaise is too spicy' in 2014, so now I'm a Trumper" isn't a group of people that are actually going to vote for a Dem.

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80. "RE: "I was going to vote for a Dem, but someone on the NYT ed board twee..."
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LOL

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81. "wait, how does "who the NYT hires" affect votes?"
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and why doesn't it work the other way when they hire all the "conservative" shitbags that work there, or whoever it is that assigns, writes and edits every nazi profile?


have you ever actually thought this through?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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85. "that's not what i said"
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and why doesn't it work the other way when they hire all the "conservative" shitbags that work there, or whoever it is that assigns, writes and edits every nazi profile?



I didn't say they should hire conservative shitbags either, but you have good arguments against things that I didn't say.

the idea that's it's okay to say offensive things about white people can and does sway votes, I have thought that through.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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90. "hey mcfuck"
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>and why doesn't it work the other way when they hire all the
>"conservative" shitbags that work there, or whoever it is that
>assigns, writes and edits every nazi profile?
>
>
>
>I didn't say they should hire conservative shitbags either,
>but you have good arguments against things that I didn't say.'


I didn't claim you said that. I said they already do employ conservative shitbags. Try reading.

>
>
>the idea that's it's okay to say offensive things about white
>people can and does sway votes, I have thought that through.

nah you lying shit, this is what you said "things like this that could sway votes."

now, you're a lying shit because nothing offensive has been said, the only reason you'd think that anyone would say it's ok to do the thing that didn't happen is because the NYT hired her.

if you're not going to use your brain maybe just go do drugs or something

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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11. "While we know there are layers to this and hit dogs... "
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wypepo are funny about this stuff. They get real basic when they play the victim.

As soon as you hear the term “reeeal racist” you know what time it is...

So like flipnile says below “imagine if she said “allblackpeople”

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17. "have y'all missed that flipnile is 100% pro white supremacist?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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33. "You seem really upset that whites "get put on blast for calling ppl nigg..."
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It's almost like there's a huge difference in historical and ongoing racial dehumanization of black people committed by whites vs some asian girl typing cancel white people


but you seem to be well on the side of racist whites so you'll ignore the basic fucking logic


I guess you got a rush from typing nigger here, though

  

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45. "is flip white?"
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52. "I don't know, I really haven't paid that much attention to them "
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They certainly posting like a white girl, though

  

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54. "smh. Y'all dudes."
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Mad emo. No logic. Y'all rock out w/ that. Have fun.

  

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55. ""You seem really upset" == passive agressive weak dude talk"
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But of course you know that. When you have something to add other than passive-aggressive insults I'll take someone like you seriously.

Seeing how you have apparently are cool with selective outrage, I doubt you have it in you to add anything of relevance. But go ahead, get back to talking shit bro. Only thing you've added here.



Not ONE of y'all shit-talking dudes have even bothered to answer how it's cool for her to spit that negativity for years. Shit-talking dudes don't have strong principles tho, they just talk shit about men that do. Have fun.

  

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56. "Because the things she says are good and true"
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the things you're saying are dogshit and not.

It really is that simple.

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89. "Everything you've posted is shit talk. You've added NOTHING."
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>Because the things she says are good and true
>the things you're saying are dogshit and not.
>
>It really is that simple.


Even with the 100% shit-talk... this is the best you can do?

C'mon, man.

  

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100. "Because your points have been made by every single"
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"just asking questions" bad faith racist conservative troll on the internet.

You've brought nothing interesting or substantive here, and if you had just Googled "But what if there was a show called 'White-ish', huh libturdz?" we all would've been better off.

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184. "Nope. You've just moved on to 'guilt by association' fallacy"
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http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/guilt-by-association.html


Plainly obvious. If you don't see that then probably you're not built for intellectual debate man. Emotional reasoning always ends at dead-ends of negativity like we're at now.

  

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57. "You have "strong principals"? How?"
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all you've posted in this thread is white supremacist rhetoric with this "why isn't there a white entertainment television?" bullshit

It's obvious the major differences in some asian woman being harassed by tons of white dudes on the internet responding the way she did vs white people calling people niggers

  

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88. "Because I don't make up shit like this:"
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>all you've posted in this thread is white supremacist rhetoric
>with this "why isn't there a white entertainment television?"
>bullshit


When did I ask that question? Quote the post. Point out the number. YOU CAN'T.

Folks on this site just make up shit, and every post turns into a shit-talking fest full of personal and emotional attacks attacks and ad-hominems.

Again, point out where *I* said anything about white people not having something that we have.

YOU CAN'T.


Y'all aren't posting with any sort of integrity, but rather reality TV-like snark and snipes.

Again, y'all can have this.

  

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140. "You're so fucking obtuse. "
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No one said you literally asked that, you idiot.


Honestly, this board would be better without you. Fuck off.

  

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179. "While I don’t agree with flipnile 100% he has a point "
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Dude is basically saying progressives can’t go hard in the paint for every racist tweet and then get upset when someone on our side gets caught out there.

Now, personally I believe we should go hard at these fools BUT we also have to be honest and realize that some folks on our side will get caught out there for the same shit.

While everyone wants to scream context and layers and responding to racist. It’s still going to put a few folks in a space when they will come off racist.

We all seem to be operating from the “white people suck” corner as even tho it’s true for the most part... the shit still sounds and looks racist as hell when you put it out there on an island.

BUT SHE WAS RESPONDING TO RACIST

was she? Prolly...

but I’m sure there are times when white folks have responded to a story about a perp, criminal or shitty behavior by someone Black and said some shit towards them yet we act like they are using the street sweeper.

Can we use really use the argument that our folks always use laser pin point precision in conversations but when it’s white folks it’s fishing with hand grenades? Maybe... I guess (c)...

but that shit makes us look sloppy at times. There has to be times when our side is wrong too. We aren’t perfect and these arguments really make it sound like we can’t ever be questioned for our words regardless of how sloppy we are with them on Twitter.

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182. "they really don’t though "
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That’s the side that complains about everyone being too sensitive and what happened to freedom of speech but can never take even a small piece of their own medicine.

Look, everything can’t “feed into their narrative”, no matter how asinine. So what are white people going to start feeling oppressed by these tweets and what? maintain systems of white supremacy like they’ve been doing the whole time?

What does anyone get by pretending these tweets are the kind of racism that plagues this country meanwhile they separating families, putting kids in cages and literally celebrate extrajudicial police murder of unarmed black people?!

I’m really sick of the chorus of “this is why trump won” bullshit every time a non-“conservative” sighs aggressively while the other side is unhinged as fuck

  

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186. "I’m not saying they are exactly the same thing"
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All I’m saying is some of her tweets are on the scale even if they are only a 2 or a 3 vs a 10.

I also think folks shouldn’t get so mad when having these discussions that it turns into insults.

Most of us are still on THIS side of the wall when having these debates yet anything that isn’t all in is shouted down.

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183. "You literally put quotation marks around that phrase in post #57. "
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>No one said you literally asked that, you idiot.

You know what quotation marks are for, right?


>Honestly, this board would be better without you. Fuck off.

More insults, man.

  

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188. "it's a comparison to the type of shit you're on, not a direct quote"
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I know playing dumb and being disingenuous trolls is a big part of the right's tactics so I won't waste time going back and forth with you

  

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228. "Edit: Okay."
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Don't see a point. I crafted a simple logic scenario (replace the word "white" with "black") and very few people in this post could even do that.

I don't do emotional reasoning.

  

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274. "You don’t do critical thinking"
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You don’t do critical thinkingYou tried to replace white with black as if that doesn’t change the context completely


You’re trying to compare these tweets to white people using his story racial slur


Nothing in these tweets nearly compare to the word nigger that has literally been used to dehumanize people for hundreds of years.

The fact you think you’ve presented any sound logic here is unbelievable; you have to be trolling with such a dumb ass argument that that any of these tweets compare to white people calling people niggers, wtf

  

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2. "Andrew Sullivan is the worst thing the UK produced in the last 100 years"
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He's been shitting a brick since yesterday about this. About how nobody should publish someone who uses such debasing language to disparage an entire race. This from a guy who ironically believes white people are naturally more intelligent than everyone else, no matter how many people have explained to him that the bell curve isn't real over the last 2 decades.

That month or so in 2008 we were supposed to like him because he didn't like Sarah Palin seems like a lifetime ago.

The right wing playbook is all Gamergate now, and that's just the world we live in.

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43. "Not while Piers Morgan exists he isn't "
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82. "True"
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64. "the "journalist" he sourced to pull up her tweets tried that move on me"
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last year.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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79. "good point about the PooPooGate"
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>The right wing playbook is all Gamergate now, and that's just
>the world we live in.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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4. "Asian women are people of color? "
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I know they aren’t white but I feel like that term is still for US.

Anyway... I think if you are going to work for a news org or in the public you have to walk a fine line.

Once you cross over you will get that work. She is better off trying to work for The Root.

She will be ok tho

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8. "nonwhite = POC"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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10. "If she were South Asian instead of East Asian, would that change it?"
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13. "When do you use PoC for black people except..."
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Ehen you trying to include non block people?

Seem like PoC was specifically designed to include asians and latino with black people.
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16. "PoC is old school "
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It was used a lot back in the day but primarily for Black folk.

Never heard it used for an Asian woman, especially in 2018.

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21. "Colored People = Black | People of Color = Non White"
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35. "How old you school you talking? I only hear Asian and Black People"
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trying to include Asian and Latinos use the term.

When was the last time you referred to only black people as "People of Color"?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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36. "Last time I used it was prolly 2 years ago. "
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but this isn’t about the last time I used it.

The last time I heard an Asian woman called a person of color was never.

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38. "I've been hearing progressive Latino's and Asians talking about PoCs..."
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since college 20 years ago.

I assure you, it's a thing.

]>but this isn’t about the last time I used it.
>
>The last time I heard an Asian woman called a person of color
>was never.
>
>


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40. "Good for you. "
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46. "haha, Buddy is right on this one bruh."
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it's ok that you've never heard it, but don't get snarky with Buddy because he is correct. PoC means anyone not white. problematic term in and of itself because it once again defaults to white as the standard, and anyone else as of color.

  

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87. "White negro I know technically it’s the correct term "
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97. "haha hey don't get snarky with me either!"
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23. "She should have used 'minorities'"
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I feel like there is no word that can include African Americans and other races in the USA

They weren't with us shooting in the gym (c)

Using the word color in the US has a different connotation

Nevah evah evah heard a Korean refer to themselves as a person of color

Evah

Evah evah

We should do a social experiment

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26. " RE: She should have used 'minorities'"
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>I feel like there is no word that can include African
>Americans and other races in the USA

you just used one in your subject line.


>They weren't with us shooting in the gym (c)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5UpWy_1i5k


>Using the word color in the US has a different connotation

Redskins/Red Men, Yellow Peril, etc...


>Nevah evah evah heard a Korean refer to themselves as a person
>of color
>
>Evah
>
>Evah evah

you just did.

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27. " RE: She should have used 'minorities'"
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28. "People who do social justice/equity work have used the term for years"
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Including black folks.
Not even judging the right or wrong.
Just stating a fact that I could be wrong, but seems like you are unaware of.

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32. "I know technically they are but I’ve never heard the term used for Asi..."
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47. "Let's admit the term is used when it's politically beneficial most times"
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Predominantly white college with white kids or teachers acting up?
PoC becomes a useful banner

uniting with other people of color to look at systemic racism in housing, education, work place issues has its benefits

but if there is no additional demographic they can add in your city, chances are, activists and leaders aren't going to be reaching out to create an alliance with other groups

In Cali and NYC, PoC is used a lot, but only in certain contexts.

  

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48. "definitely agree with this"
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29. "nice sig."
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34. "White people 8% of the global population but WE the minorities? SMH. "
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24. "I know South Asians who refer to themselves as Brown"
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...and last time I checked brown is a color lol, which pretty much corresponds to most people from the global south. I don't think I've heard an East Asian ever refer to themselves as Yellow though, so ionno.

  

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25. "Yellow beauty"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbqpeNNGOSE


remember this from my High School days

  

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30. "how the hell did you find this stuff before the internet?"
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did you used to work in a punk rock record store growing up? Were you the muse for Trey Ellis' New Black Aesthetic? Are you or have you ever been a member of Bad Brains? Because every time you post something about music I have more questions lol

  

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31. "Maximum Rock N Roll and Bleeker Bob's"
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Maximum Rock N Roll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApUxbxIwAmo


Bleeker Bob's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwHtZjMMvs4




Those 2 youtube links should impress upon whoever clicks on them that those two entities were very "thorough"


so....

for a high schooler who was getting into punk/hardcore (because I rented the videotape/movie "Sid and Nancy" while I lived in my East Flatbush Brooklyn hometown and soon afterward moved to NJ where hardcore punk was in my social circle/next door neighbor), I soon found that Maximum Rock N Roll was an extensive magazine with lot's of record reviews.

One of the first reviews that caught my eye was a Japanese hardcore compilation "virus"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R50kMlEtVFc

so....

I went to Bleeker Bob's and saw the "virus" compilation in the Hardcore punk section, so I bought it. The compilation was released in 1988 (the year I got into Maximum Rock N Roll magazine) and had that "yellow beauty" song on it (even though that song is from 1984 according to that songs youtube link)


The song from the virus comp that really stuck with me from all those years (even though I never forgot the first track) is "open your eyes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwLpywTuRE



Yeah, I really loved Maximum Rock N Roll magazine and Bleeker Bob's

  

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50. "RIP Bleecker Bob's and holy shit at that Virus comp"
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51. "ah, yeah......"
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yes

  

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49. "YB"
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AKA Yellow Brotherhood

https://vimeo.com/1547334

  

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42. "you serious bro?"
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44. "Yup. All my years interacting with Asian women"
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and Asian men I have never heard them refer to themselves as PoC.

Even when discussing race and white folks they never said “as a POC” or use that term while discussing issues with race in America.

Real talk, Asians I knew in college mostly prided themselves on being Korean, Filipino, Vietnamese, Japanese etc. Even the “woke” ones didn’t use that term. Not to sound insensitive but IMO most aren’t trying to be under the same umbrella as Black folk

or they didn’t discuss it all all because they Almere trying to get by.

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39. "This whole thing is catnip to the alt-right."
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Lowkey, they like that this controversy, limited as it might be, has happened. They encourage anything that will stoke white people into thinking of themselves as a hated racial block, rather than as the race-less, default category of people, which they in the US more or less were up until about 5 years ago. They see it as an opportunity to "racialize" white people and turn them to the alt-right.

  

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41. "i'm kinda torn on this"
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I HATE HATE HATE giving alt-right any moral ground bc they have none but in general...i really don't like the cognitive dissonance it takes to think bigotry as a reaction to racism is a-ok

not being racist is a low fucking bar

"yes, it's not racist. bc it's not systemic."

but bigotry is a tough sell too

i want to rail hard against white fragility and fragile masculinity and soak up white tears and call men trash and all that but im pretty much good on that...

most of it is just venting but it still seems misguided as fuck. it's like being problematic without the impact doesn't make it any less problematic.

and POC has almost exclusively used as an umbrella term for non-white for as long as i've heard it

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53. "Thing is, I don't get on public social forums and take general shots at"
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any group. If I got something to say about "White People", I keep it specific. There is no upside and this shows there is clearly a downside.

Vent to your people IRL....or grab an OKP screenname.



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58. "Yup. When you get on Twitter and start pollock painting "
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all over social media... it makes it real easy for them.



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61. "they don't care if you make it easy or not."
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if there's something actually wrong with what she said, point out what it is.

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62. "On page 1 of this board, we've got Walleye's post about"
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the right wing college campus freakout/grift and everyone seems to get that none of this shit is in good faith and that no matter how much you bend over backwards to accommodate them, they'll always try and bring you down.

Then in here it's a "well she shouldn't have said so many white people jokes, I just don't know what to do."

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63. ""everyone seems to get...." aaaaah............"
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words that are....music to......a lot of people's.....ears....


my my


what would happen if .....everyone.......?

  

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60. "not everyone has had the experience to understand preemptively"
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that people will attempt to take your words out of context and apply silly standards of what "racism" is.


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59. "don't give me no "torn" bullshit."
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you got a problem with something she said? point it out.

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65. "Not equivalent at ALL to anti-POC racism -- but it's obviously racism."
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66. "what's racist about it? go ahead and explain"
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67. "Actually the burden to explain is on whoever claims her tweets AREN'T."
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68. "no, that's not how that works."
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if someone claims something is racist, you are not then forced to explain how it is not.

I don't think you're forced to explain how it is either.

you can just not, which makes sense because I don't think you can.

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69. "Some of her tweets are obviously racist on their face."
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70. "cool, that will make them even easier for you to point out and explain."
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72. "You've read all the same tweets. You know."
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73. "you literally only need one. and then you'll have put the pie directly i..."
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I've really put myself out there on this one.


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74. "just one bro!"
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75. "Links."
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https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/547578218078019584

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/547578218078019584

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/500568884928196608

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/538553252514525184

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/492434240827822081

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/550467289087082497

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/518927035922522112

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/482411424770052097

  

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76. "you have to say what's racist about them"
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what's racist about honest curiosity?

"Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins"

(also it's literally a spoof of a sentence andrew sullivan wrote about people who aren't white, but since you're less literate than that fucking turd nozzle you wouldn't know that)

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77. "Oh so you are just trolling? Because if not, get your story straight --"
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Is the one tweet you addressed honest curiosity, or is it a spoof of something written by a racist turd nozzle? It can't be both.

By the way, unclear how failing to familiarize myself with the work of a barely literate racist turd nozzle makes me IL-literate, seems like a good decision on my part.

Again, the tweets speak for themselves, and the burden is on you to explain why they aren't racist. But of course, although you won't admit it, you know that. Which is why you are already explaining. They must all be spoofs, or counter-trolling, or something -- because taken at face value they're racist. Acknowledging that does not in any way weaken the struggle against structural racism and white supremacy, actually just the opposite IMO.

But if you're just trolling, do you.

  

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78. "I mentioned that one because you listed it first."
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you're too illiterate to have read anything not written by white supremacists to find out the context of the tweet. you don't have to have read mcfuckstick's article.

you still haven't explained why you think any of those tweets are racist.

because you can't.

you know it.

I know it.

and now you've proven it, just like I knew you would.


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108. "OK so you're just trolling. That's sad. You know they're racist."
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118. "You can't prove that I do. but if they are, you'd be able to explain how..."
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you won't even try, because you know you can't. and I know you can't.

you've repeatedly avoided doing it.

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133. "What's sad is you think you're somehow fighting white supremacy."
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135. "did I say that I am? link me to the quote."
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I notice you still can't explain the things you claim

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141. "And your claim I haven't read anything not written by white supremacists..."
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143. "easy, you proved it."
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if you had googled at all or read anything not written by white supremacists you would have known about the context. that was information made available to you and you didn't find it because you were reading white supremacists.

thanks for asking me to explain so I could break that down for you!

see how easy it is when you're not lying and hiding?

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185. "You didn't prove shit, I read HER OWN STATEMENT"
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Is she a white supremacist??

  

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189. "her statement didn't reference that tweet specifically"
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so, like many other things you've read in your entire life, is outside the scope of what I'm referring to.

I don't know if white supremacists wrote whatever's on the back of your cereal box either.

I'm glad I could explain that to you.

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214. "You're a liar and not even good at sophistry."
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Does her statement make explicit reference to that specific tweet? No. Does that mean her statement is outside the scope of what you were referring to when you said, "you're too illiterate to have read anything not written by white supremacists to find out the context of the tweet"? (You edited that post of yours, not sure what you changed.) No. Obviously I read her statement seeking some context, for that tweet and for the other tweets that I posted which you haven't addressed. And, in fact, while strategically failing to specify which tweets were supposedly satire, her statement alludes to context (she faced torrents of online hate, engaged in counter-trolling, mimicked the language of her harassers) that is the same as the context you yourself use to explain the -- on its face -- racist character of this specific tweet (it was a spoof). So when you say I was reading white supremacists, and didn't read anything not written by white supremacists to fund out the context of the tweet, you're just lying and defaming me.

  

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215. "I edited the post one minute after I wrote it."
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I'm going to guess it was a typo

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216. "how are those racist?"
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her language in most of those tweets is so clearly satirical or in reference to something out-of-scope of the tweets. im sick of these clowns cherry-picking out-of-context tweets or obvious harmless jokes to doxxx them into losing their jobs. sarah, sam seder, gunn....you can tweet dumb jokes or seemingly out-of-context things on twitter over the years without it being RACIST! PEDO!

those tweets are at best funny, at least out-of-context and at worst dumb. immature? sure. unfunny? subjective. BORING? yes. KIM.

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217. "the idea that they've broken the agreed upon hard and fast rules"
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is bizarre

because until now I didn't know we had hard and fast agreed upon rules of racism

and it's especially weird because the people setting them are the same ones who seem to never see racism anywhere.

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326. "the pearl-clutching calls of white racism are actually pretty racist "
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the implication that white people cannot be *generally* poked fun at without sweeping damnation is way more racist than the actual jokes being made.

this world has gone bonkers.

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329. "which is why "so why is it racist exactly?" is an interesting q"
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because some people are claiming it's "obviously" racist if you call to cance la group of people....but is it?

if someone said "black people are fucking up" and instead of pointing to a situation where that is not relevant or accurate said "well why is r kelly still getting support?"

I wouldn't necessarily be happy they said it but I wouldn't (necessarily) say "oh wow you're racist"

meanwhile, white people are almost exclusively responsible for electing the most incompetent president ever and it's "obviously" racist to say they might be fucking up?

the skewed perspective is undeniable

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385. "you're right. the key-word is indeed "perspective""
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its the same argument as the one currently being made by women on twitter who say sweeping things like "men are trash" or "men are such petulant babies"

i am not trash (presumably), nor am i hopefully a petulant baby. therefore, i take no ill-will and understand that this generalization is not actually targeted at me.

obviously "white people are so corny" is a common joke for decades/centuries/millennia. some white people are not corny. it is not RACIST to call white people corny in much the same way that is not sexist to to say men are trash. recognize when you are being spoke to or about.

if people exercised a wee-bit-more perspective we'd all be better off. If a woman who is a journalist is being ABUSED online/IRL for her ethnicity and she takes it upon herself to fight back, however misguided or unfunny, we cannot just isolate the things SHE says in a vacuum as if her entire experience is devoid of attention or recognition.

False outrage. Lame

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71. "imagine how awesome it'll be when you show me those tweets"
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dude I'm going to look so trash for saying that I thought you couldn't!

you're going to win, it will be great.

you'll probably get a parade or something

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83. "Some want to pretend that they don't know what I'm talking about "
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13278308&mesg_id=13278308&page=

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84. "we know what you're talking about"
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you don't like asian people

  

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86. "Sarah Jeong doesn't work in a salon, though"
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Nor has she, to the best of my recollection, claimed to be black.

Otherwise, great points, would read again.

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91. "weird how none of you losers can point to one racist tweet"
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92. "Before I respond"
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Can you tell me, is there anything at all that it would be possible for Sarah Jeong to tweet about white people, that you would consider racist towards them? Or is that out of the realm of possibility in your worldview?

*EDIT* By "possible for her to tweet" I mean, are there words that it would be possible to emerge from her account. I'm not asking you to speculate about her propensity to tweet anything, only about the ability or inability of words attributable to her to hold racist content.

  

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93. "I think there are things she could say "
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that you could reasonably argue were racist under some definition.


I don't think you an make that argument about things she actually tweeted.

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94. "When she says "Cancel white people""
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Why do you believe that this is not racist?

  

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96. "why would you believe that it is?"
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if you think it's racist, just explain how it is. it should be very easy.

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99. "My definition of racist remarks?"
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A generalization about a racial group that meets all four of these criteria:

1.) derogatory
2.) untrue
3.) has the potential to negatively impact the quality of life of members of that group, as well as other members of a society
4.) doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile that outweighs #3

To me, cancel white people can be translated basically as, "white people suck" (we can quibble over this, but she also said "fuck white women lol", which i think we can agree translates to, at a minimum, "white women suck").

This is derogatory, untrue, has the potential to negatively impact the quality of life of white women if people internalize this view and act differently towards them+has the potential to negatively impact others in the society who get caught up in the backlash against these "fighting words", and saying it doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile that outweighs #3.

*EDIT* I would slightly change 3, in that I would make the "potential to negatively impact other members of society" not a requirement. Potential to negatively impact target group is sufficient to meet the threshold.

  

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101. "what's untrue about "white people suck?""
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by and large, we kinda do. *shrug*

  

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104. "and that's not even what she said! "
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but see he's never thought about why a statement would be racist and he's trying to make it up as he goes.

the really interesting thing you find out here is that there are a lot of people who think there are statements that are true that are racist.

which makes you wonder what things they believe in that they know they can't say bc they're racist

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106. "RE: and that's not even what she said! "
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>the really interesting thing you find out here is that there
>are a lot of people who think there are statements that are
>true that are racist.

*blink*

Explain how this emerges from my argument.

  

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107. "did I say that you did? I said some people"
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I don't believe your name was mentioned.


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110. "I have zero fear of someone saying "cancel white people""
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to my face and the repercussions that could happen as a result.

Because there wouldn't be any.

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115. "Good for you. Never go to prison."
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117. "....what?"
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121. "i mean, that's pretty sound advice."
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haha

  

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122. "I mean, you got me there. "
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124. "haha"
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120. "*nods sagely*"
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We're really extending Sarah Jeong making "white people sunburn" jokes to people getting beat up in prison?

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128. "it's all fear. which is a fair response."
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but just say that. and then we can investigate why.

but he can't explain what he's afraid of (that one day his whiteness might wear off and he'd experience what other groups do) so he can't even try to explain what he doesn't like about her comments.

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129. "I've seen racial violence against whites, moron."
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It happens. Does it happen to the same extent as all the horrible racial deprivations and abuses of POCs. NO. It doesn't. K?

Fix your retarded categories that require a worldview where nothing bad ever happens to whites, and minorities have 0.0 of the power in this world, and we'll all be better off.

  

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130. "whoa dude, moron is quite derogatory."
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now, point to where I said any of the things you claimed.

also I thought you were done? Are you a liar?

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131. "Actually, I'll amend that. You personally do have 0.0 power"
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Other POCs do have some though.

  

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134. "show me how you quantified that 0.0 "
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without evidence you can't make the claim

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132. "also, "moron" and "retarded" are ableist words"
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I used to say things like that, but I've learned and I no longer want to represent such a bigoted and hurtful worldview. hopefully you will agree.

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136. "We agree there, and I will make the effort. Fuckstick."
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137. "awesome bro"
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102. "are you sure it's untrue? explain how it's derogatory"
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it doesn't say that white people suck.

it said to cancel them. cancel them from what? how?

what's racist about it exactly?

you have to actually investigate the idea, you can't just change the words in it, then say that the thing you changed it to isn't true.

this is not how racist statements work. Did someone tell you that it is? Who?

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103. "Oh. Yeah, bad faith. No thanks."
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105. "what's "bad faith" about asking you to not change the words?"
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you made a bad faith argument.

you didn't argue the words that were used, and you made claims about the words you inserted without evidence.

I know you heard on reddit that when someone says something you don't like that means it's bad faith but you should take a college class on logic and learn what it actually means.


probably also on race and racism and find out what those are too while you're there.

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109. "Give me an example of a sentence"
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where someone says "Cancel ______" that is not derogatory.

  

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111. "This is ridiculous man."
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"Prove it's untrue" that white people should be cancelled.

FOH.

You're a jackass.

  

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112. ""Prove" jews don't run the world, or it's derogatory to say they do!"
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FOH.

I'm done with ya for real, dumb chump.

  

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116. "to say they do would be clearly inaccurate and easily disprove"
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and also anti-semitic.

but that's not what we're discussing.

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119. "Why would anti-semitism be bad though"
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It's just saying it's "Anti" semitic people, a negation like "Cancel".

You think all things that are "Anti" aren't related to mealplans? I bet I can find some that are.

/way reggie argues

fuck off chump, really done wit u

  

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123. "so is that a serious question or no?"
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126. "Antisemitic bad, antiwhite neutral (or even good!)"
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Got it.

  

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127. "the only one saying that is you."
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114. "if you say that it's untrue then you should be able to prove it."
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if you can't prove it, then you can't say it.

that's how logic works. remember when you tried to argue I was using "bad faith"?

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113. "I don't think you know what derogatory means?"
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I just cancelled my meal plan. I wanted fewer items every week, but they don't support changing, you have to cancel and resubscribe.

"Cancel realeats."

I like it, but I'm kinda busy for six times a week. not derogatory towards realeats, and also something I recently said.

so, are you going to explain it or are you going to play "well if you said something else it would be bad"

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125. "you'll notice he immediately abandoned the "bad faith" argument"
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once he realized it doesn't work that way.

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95. "I have not said that it is impossible for her to be racist against white..."
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what I said is that you need to explain why any of those tweets are racist.


go ahead, give it a shot.

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98. "Edited before your reply, got it. n/m"
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142. "see reply 7"
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she made statements about an entire group of people based on the color of their skin

it's literally the definition of racism/racist; the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race

...or are you one of those people who believe racism can only be institutionalized/systemic...

#CancelWhitePeople
white men are bullshit
white people...only fit to live underground like groveling goblins
I get joy out of being cruel to old white men
white people...you'll all go extinct soon

+she admitted she was trolling by using the same language as alt-right groups/people

switch white with any other race...I hope you see it

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144. "your post doesn't make sense"
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what does "cancelwhitepeople" say about white people as a group?

if you're going to say it's racist you have to explain what the problem is.

you want me to swap in another race? I think that's not a workable definition for racism but let's try it

"black people can't be out in the sun with their translucent skin so maybe they should live in caves"

well that's just not accurate, but I don't know why it would be racist if someone said it.

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145. "Are you going to be okay?"
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Like I said, it's literally the definition of the word

you need me to define what the word cancel means?

seek help

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146. "so, given the opportunity to explain why it's racist -- you can't."
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thanks bro!

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147. "define racist"
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148. "if you say it's racist, then that's what you have to do."
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go ahead, I'll let you have the floor. break it down.

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149. "reply #142 (not so long ago)"
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"it's literally the definition of racism/racist; the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race"



that you ignored a reply made a couple of minutes ago reinforces you seem to like going round....and round....to declare..."I've won"....due to the going round....and round....and round....

  

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150. "has a mod ever been banned?"
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152. "He seems to think someone is going to get "tripped up" if that OKP"
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has to backtrack and re-backtrack and maneuver through an obstacle course of replies.


I hope this post will encourage him to just speak his peace and let the chips fall without endless re-backtracking and challenging different angles for more re-backtracking.


  

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155. "you're the one pointing to reply numbers."
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I asked for an explanation, you reposted a vague one liner.

go ahead, explain it. use all the words you need.

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158. "you're calling what I quoted a "vague one-liner" so we can go into"
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a "round and round" about what is an acceptable definition of racism and what is a "vague one-liner"


and if I stop go around and round about that, guess who win?

  

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159. "you're going to have to conjugate your verbs so that your reply is legib..."
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are you asking a question?

You're definitely not answering mine.


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163. "I'm going to have to go round and round and if I stop"
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you win

  

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164. "nah I only win if you reply a dozen more times"
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166. ":("
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:(

  

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167. "ikr?"
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154. "look at this loser here."
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153. "which tweet said anything like that? point it out?"
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you have not explained it.

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156. "this is from reply #142 as well"
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white men are bullshit
white people...only fit to live underground like groveling goblins

  

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157. "one of those tweets is not the full tweet."
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and the other one does not describe any particular defineable characteristic.

so, were you talking about another tweet?

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160. "I gave you the tweets I read in reply #142"
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do with them what you want

  

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161. "oh, so you're reading other people's copy and pastes"
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you haven't even read the tweets yourself, so you have no idea what they do or don't say.

cool, so you can't say if they're racist because as you admit, you have not actually read them.

thanks bro!

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162. "I read what was in reply #142"
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yep

  

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165. "I know, that's exactly what I said."
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168. "My point for getting into this exchange in reply #149 was for"
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you (in your reply #144) to challenge/speak your peace about whatever flaws were in reply #142 then (your reply #144)


I wasn't making reply #142 points over again


If the info in reply #142 was flawed, you should have spoke your peace about it ALL in reply #144 and not this round and round where you bit by bit then go at this angle then that angle


I wasn't re-establishing reply #142

  

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169. "so...you have no argument and nothing to add or say"
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and your presence was not requested.

k.

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171. "Pretty clear: speak you peace about it all and not bit by bit to just"
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go round and round until........you....win?

  

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172. "I don't think you know what &quot;peace&quot; means"
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it is "speak your piece"



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173. "I don't know what it means"
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okay

  

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174. "that's what I said."
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175. "the point of my facetious statement was......"
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Anybody who has lived in the USA for 46 years (as I have) and has gone past college to Law School (as I have) has probably heard and used "speak your piece" and "hold your peace" quite often through the years.

Undoubtedly...


yet...to paint a picture of someone "not 'knowing' something"


this issue of "speak your piece/peace"/"hold your peace" (enough of an issue to need to be explored/clarified in Quora - hmmm........)

https://www.quora.com/Which-is-correct-speak-my-piece-or-speak-my-peace


yet....it gets reduced from merely misusing one word instead of the other to.....me not understanding what it means entirely.


like....

If I have heard for decades (like it says in the Quora link): "speak now or forever hold your PEACE" and I gather from that that the word PEACE in that statement means "whatever you have to say" that if I misuse the word PEACE in the statement that should be written "speak your PIECE" then I'm COMPLETELY IN THE DARK ABOUT WHAT THE WORD "PIECE" should mean in that phrase or what "SPEAK YOUR PIECE" means entirely.


So...

yeah, a misused word in a common phrase can be painted as completely not knowing what a common phrase means....for someone who grew up in the environment where that phrase is used commonly.


yep

  

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176. "exactly, you don't know what it means and you used the wrong word."
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that's what I said.

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177. "oh, really"
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hmmmm....

Well, I knew enough right words to get a college degree.


So, not knowing the right word for the phrase "speak your piece" wasn't reflected in the work I did to get a college degree.

  

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178. "I don't know why that would be something you'd need to cite."
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just use the right word from now on and we're good.

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170. "weird...he didn't break it down. "
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138. "Archive Please as evidence the level of discussion here has deteriorated"
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to Youtube Comments.



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139. "we're out here successfully addressing ableism"
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idk what you're doing.

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151. "Yup"
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180. "White-Bashing: don't knock it til you try it (swipe)"
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-utility-of-white-bashing/566846/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20180807&silverid-ref=MzMxMTM1ODY2NDQ3S0

  

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187. "This article is on point."
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>https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-utility-of-white-bashing/566846/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20180807&silverid-ref=MzMxMTM1ODY2NDQ3S0
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181. "Niggas really doin whataboutism on this lol...not surprised "
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Coolin...

  

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190. "I think the easiest answer is yeah she said racist shit, but who cares"
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It literally impacts no one. When white peoples lives are seriously being affected by racist Asian people lets reconsider the importance of this.

I can admit that and I am definitely not a PoC people can't be racists type.


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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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192. "I'd personally go with term derogatory at worst here..."
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the cat scratching back at the dog isn't the same as dog chasing and biting the cat


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193. "the problem is, she didn't directly tweet to the people trolling her"
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so in your analogy, the cat scratches every dog.

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195. "lollll"
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197. "I don't think cats got time to divide dogs up into different "
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categories to make dogs 'feel better' if the ones who chased/bit em all look the same...all canine



sounds like dogs need a better pr team

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198. "*plays that Sarah MacLaughlin SPCA commercial song*"
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"These are all the dogs scratched anytime someone tweets 'lol white people lol.' Now that they let an Asian lady work on the editorial board of the NYT, there will only be more dogs suffering from more scratches. Won't you help us stop the abuse? Please donate, before Sarah Jeong beats me up in a salon."

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203. "First off, you ever been scratched by an angry cat?"
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A cat can fuck you the fuck up.

Secondly, it's derrogatory because it is racist. We don't have to do these mental and logic gymnastic and redefine racism just to make the point that what she did isn't as terrible as a white person saying similar things about other groups.

When you try to redefine what racism means like that, it totally undermines arguments against white racism and it makes it harder to take those arguments seriously.

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206. "who is redefining it? "
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you still haven't actually shown how it fits any definition you want to use.

you've just claimed it does.

do the work.

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231. "I said deragotory at worst....meaning even THAT is a stretch"
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and I don't see cats regularly chasing after and scratching dogs

and if I did ...I wouldn't have too much sympathy/empathy if any at all....for the dog

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207. "good way to put it but opens up some questions also"
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is there a major distinction between "racist" and "bigoted" or "derogatory" or "pejorative?"

that was one of the things i found unsettling about a lot of ethnic studies reading i did, there was this careful effort to first define racism by macro power dynamics (thus removing the possibility of racism against whites and, in some cases, racism from one minority group to another). this was 15-20 years ago and i still see that effort, halfway catching on, to essentially eliminate the possibility of minority-against-white and minority-against-minority "racism." but what of bigotry, condescension, etc? are those things forgivable or to be encouraged? i think that is, in some instances, what we are dealing with here. and, of course, most of the right-winged dinguses trying to play GOTCHA! YOUR RULES, YOU LOSE! with the left didn't really accept the linguistic framing of racism vs bigotry in the first place.

personally, i am for a transparent marketplace of ideas. if you're racist or bigoted or whatever in any direction, i don't want to make you veil it and see what you can get away with. tell me who you are and what you think. i will respond and possibly judge you accordingly, but i'd rather have it all out in the open than have a contest as to who can most effectively legitimize their prejudices.

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209. "and that's one of the things that's interesting about "
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how it's suddenly "obviously" racist without any explanation of what that means.

until these comments, the people who are saying she is racist, have never acknowledged living person, or any living person's actions as "obviously" racist.

They don't judge any person in the past as "obviously" racist by the same standard.

Whatever standard they're applying here seems to fit only her comments and also some hypothetical version of them that they claim exists if you make them about other groups.

If we have an agreed standard of racism, where has it been until now?

No one seems to be able to answer that question, but they're quick to tell me about what I allegedly agree is racist, or have allegedly said was racist in the past.

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222. "let's face it these people coming for her head are simplistic & vindicit..."
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BUT they are all up in the marketplace of journalism, ideas, etc. They will claim that if they have to accept this sort of "censorship" from the left, the left set the terms and must abide by them. Basically what FlipNile said is how they think and then some, and what legsdiamond said is a practical way of looking at the situation. You're putting your ideas out there not for a like-minded or like-cultured audience, you're putting them out there for everyone in forums like Twitter and The New York Times. It's not an easy situation to navigate here for The NYT, I don't envy them. I think overall Jeong has handled the case correctly and the people frying her for tempering her stance a bit just don't understand the position she is in or the stakes she is playing with here.

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225. "I think we are obligated to make them work for it."
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because it's been the same game since the 60s: ok, fine, racism is bad, but I'm going to define racism in such a way that it only applies to someone else.

and this is a part of it.

so ask the question. if you say it's racist, why is it racist.

because the answers they give don't really add up because they want to skip that part.

anyone with a functioning brain actually and clearly knows that whatever she meant when she said "white people" was about specific people doing specific things. the charge falls apart if you apply any interpretation at all.

I knew these days would come though, and that's why when the same exact dude came for my tweets he couldn't find shit.

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194. "cool, just explain how anything she said is racist."
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199. "To say white people smell bad, are dumb and are only fit to live"
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underground like groveling goblins isn't racist?

If you aren't going to explain how those comments are NOT racist then I am going to assume you are just trolling and not respond.


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200. "exactly. you can't show that they're racist by any measure"
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so you won't try.

you'll just say that they are and move on.

There is absolutely no requirement for me to prove a negative.

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223. "OK well change the term to bigoted or derogatory, not much defense"
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She generalized and painted with a broad brush and in a pretty negative way. At times there was a mocking or satirical context, at others there was not. At a minimum what she said above was in poor taste and potentially offensive. Whether or not it was "racist" requires a level of critical thinking that the critics just don't have in this situation, as you correctly pointed out. They could hear Drumpf's "gotta head both sides!" shit in Charlottesville and look past it, but now that it's something directed at them they are gleefully "taking offense." That doesn't mean she didn't take a big and unnecessary risk by saying it, or that what she said doesn't merit criticism outside of its allegedly being "racist." That is not an assessment I'd agree with but also not the sin qua non of speech that's tasteless, offensive or potentially damaging to one's career.

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201. "wait, she said all white people are dumb?"
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you got a link to that one?

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202. "So because she didn't say "ALL white people are dumb" this isn't"
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a racist generalization about white people?

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/518927035922522112


I think at this point I would prefer to think you are trolling (as oppose to sincerely believe what you are saying here).

Please confirm you are trolling.


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204. "you're well on your way to being labelled a high schooler with "
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Sarah McLachlan's music playing in the background of your sympathy PSA.


Just letting you know

  

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205. "is it a generalization? make the case."
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I've given you space and opportunity to show the evidence of what you claim, and you've declined to do so.

I don't know why I would simply assume that whatever you're saying is true.

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210. "To say white people are dumb is to make a general statement regarding"
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white people based on some specific experience with individual(s).

Saying "Tom is dumb" is a specific statement about a specific person.

To say "White people are dumb" is a general statement regarding a group of people.

Do you really not understand generalizations?

Or am I the sucker for giving good faith responses to your bad faith trolling?


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211. "but people are dumb."
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it logically follows that any subgroup of people could also be dumb. is logic racist?

also, assuming that she's ever praised the intellectual accomplishments of any person who is white, it would appear to be untrue that she is talking about the entire group, so who is she talking about? do you know?

have you checked?



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218. "RE: but people are dumb."
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lol you are so confused.

  

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219. "enlighten me so that I may walk in truth and victory"
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220. "maybe try an exercise"
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where you pretend to be someone else. then read your replies in this thread. then ask yourself whether or not you seem like a person worth getting in a back and forth with. reading you is gripping in a strange way. maybe because you almost never make sense but you're full of passionate certainty. have a good night!

  

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221. "clearly I am, since you read my replies and you decided I am."
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I believe in your judgement on that particular decision.

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212. "was her statement about an experience with an individual?"
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what was it about, exactly?

Is Men in Black II racist? Kay says "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."

so it would follow that any group of people would be dumb, and I don't see how simply mentioning a fact would be racist.

explain it.

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226. "That's definitely MIB (1), not the sequel"
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Otherwise, keep up the good work.

  

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227. "You are correct, I have erred. I apologize to all who I have hurt"
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with my careless words, actions and misdeeds.

I promise to do better in the future, I will implement an editorial policy ASAP to address these shortcomings as they do not represent the product I wish to be known for.


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233. "I have to believe you know this is gibberish. You can't believe you are"
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putting together a well reasoned logical argument.

At any rate.

The OBVIOUS answer is that saying people are dumb isn't racist because you haven't singled out any particular race. Misanthropic maybe, but not racist.

It is racist when you generalize a particular race is dumb/smelly/inferior/etc.


Tom is Dumb.
People are Dumb.
Black People are Dumb.

Only one of those statements is racist and it's obvious which one.

Assuming you know this and this is a form of trolling what I really wonder is why do this?

Are you that thirsty for human interaction that baiting people with this gibberish somehow does something for you?

I mean believe me you I am asking myself why I would allow myself to be drawn into such a stupid exchange and the only thing I can come up with is I am curious if you can reach a point where you acknowledge that what you are saying is gibberish and nonsense and break character or are you some lonely not that smart spectrum-y troll bot who can keep this up as long as someone replies to you?



>what was it about, exactly?
>
>Is Men in Black II racist? Kay says "A person is smart. People
>are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
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>so it would follow that any group of people would be dumb, and
>I don't see how simply mentioning a fact would be racist.
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>explain it.
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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235. "It has to be boredom/sport, that's the only explanation."
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The thrill and emotional charge of conflict and endless back and forth, no matter how much he has to lie, nor how little sense he's making.

The evidence is that he's always done this, even back in his pre-feminist days. His feminist schtick is only a few years old, actually, but he was doing this when I got here in 2001 on random other topics. The actual "what" of the trolling has never mattered.

It actually cheapens the arguments, because they're no so much heartfelt on his part as much as evidence of some deep inner problem he clearly has.

  

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290. "two decades of being mad at me is not good for your soul"
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I don't recommend it.


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296. "o ard"
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240. "http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg"
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http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

I swear this is my face reading 85% of his posts.

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277. "so you can't explain why her statement is racist"
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because you can't specify who she was talking about.

sounds great, thanks!

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213. "it's weird to me that we'd rather this statement is 'obviously' racist"
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which it is definitely not "obviously racist"

and yet it is, no matter what interpretation you put on it, "obviously" ableist

and that goes unmentioned.

disabled people are a minority group that suffers from being marginalized, but all we discuss is the unproven racism.


isn't that weird?

it's almost like people don't really care.

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208. "I guess it doesn't matter to me if they're "racist," are they harmful?"
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You said yourself they're not. No harm is going to come to any white person over "cancel white people."

Huge difference between her tweets and the shit Kevin Williamson was saying.

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229. "True"
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that wasn’t the original discussion tho

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232. "I've changed my mind. It is harmful. Not to white people but to black ..."
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No one can take you seriously calling out the racism of Donald Trump, Jeff Session, et. al if you can't acknowledge the basic racism of some saying white people are dumb/smelly/cave dwellers/etc.

It's not about defending white people, it's about talking like that makes PoCs look like hypocrites.


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234. "this is pretty much what i was saying earlier"
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but honestly it's pointless conversation to have on here.

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236. "It's about being honest when friends, allies, and people you agree"
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with on most other important topics are out of line. It takes maturity and alot of confidence in your overall moral position to demonstrate that type of honesty.

People pushing back on the the call-out of the obvious racist nature of her tweets are doing so because, I suspect, they feel insecure about how strong "our side" can be if we start calling each other out for this type of racism. Like the cement is too weak and our coalition, or whatever, will break apart otherwise.

But they're wrong.

We actually make ourselves stronger when we stick to the original, fair and correct definition of racism. Not the one doctored in the last 25 years to ensure that no PoC can ever be considered a racist.

  

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238. "How so?"
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>>We actually make ourselves stronger when we stick to the original, fair and correct definition of racism.


Do you have any real life(non morale victories) examples of how we have made ourselves 'stronger' based on the definition of a word?


just curious...no snark at all

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241. "Not just the definition, but staying away from dishonest "
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wordsmithing and manipulation of language to try to build false walls against people calling us racist.

Fortunately we *haven't* done this much, if at all, in our history. This new racism definition that requires power is fairly recent, so I can't think of examples to point to, because it's new. But like Buddy mentioned, it makes us look like hypocrites when we embrace that dumb definition. That's not good.

  

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244. "I won't debate the hypocrite thing...on it's face it looks cute"
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but irl nah
Newton's (3rd) law imo



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239. "Who are the folks you're worried about looking like a hypocrite in front..."
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Trump supporters?

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242. "Anyone who's not a PoC inside the United States."
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Which is basically 90% of the population of the planet, or whatever that number amounts to.

  

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245. "They ALREADY don't take you seriously, though"
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and never will. Because they aren't arguing in good faith.

There's no way you'll ever be able to sufficiently "prove" that the Trump Admin is racist in a way that will make his supporters say "well, you're right, I actually HAVE been enabling a fascist regime trying to establish a white ethnostate this whole time."

You will always be wrong and unfairly biased in their eyes, and no amount of "see, I DO call it out on my own side, too" will ever satisfy them.

If you genuinely believe Jeong's words are harmful, that's one thing. I disagree, but that would be your opinion. But calling her out to get Trumpers to take you seriously is a fool's errand. You're never going to win a rigged game.

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246. "Spot on...but...you know...... when they go low.... lol "
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I still like my dog n cat analogy

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249. "We punch their dicks?"
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I don't think the high ground is bad or that we shouldn't ever take it.

But absolutely nobody on the right actually believes Jeong's tweets are hurtful. They just want revenge for Kevin Williamson. Just like nobody on the right genuinely believed James Gunn was a pedophile, they wanted payback for Roseanne. If we can see this and know they're playing a rigged game in which the rules only apply when it works out in their favor, we should (as they do) disregard them.

That's not to say "run a megalomaniacal reality TV idiot who regularly forgets his children's names" for president, because we DO need morals and principles. But we at least have to know how to recognize and respond to bad faith by calling it out.

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256. "It's not the trump supporters you don't want to be hypocrites"
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in front of. It's the Allies.


It's funny Spike Lee, and Spike has never been accused of liking whitey, spoke today about Allies and he said what I think is obvious that will get you lit up on twitter as a Tom these days.

The interview is here:

https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/spike-lee-wants-us-to-respect-our-white-allies-white-p-1828175768


I agree with the sentiment and I believe the Civil Rights Movement was a success not because it converted Klansmen but because it appealed to the moral high ground of white people with no particular horse in the race whose lives would in no way be affected by the continued practice of segregation.

Or put another way, if not being a hypocrite and moral arguments don't matter, then why even bother to make them? If it's all tribalism and its our group versus theirs then what's the point of even bothering calling out racist behavior?


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265. "People become allies because they see your humanity, faults and all"
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If people are willing to discount your humanity over something trivial as showing hypocrisy (which is a human thing to do)...then they were never your ally.

Spike's interview is about appreciating allies, not throwing them under the bus...

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270. "Moral arguments DO matter"
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And we should make them because they're right.

I do see what you (and Spike Lee) are getting at, nothing happens without allies from the majority and it's cool that he's giving that aspect credit in the film.

But I think it's also very tenuous. So many white people voted for Obama in 08, and the fact that he played in respectability politics was a huge part of that. Like the "pull your pants up" stuff played VERY WELL with certain white voters. Because they liked the idea of America being a place where a black man named Barack Obama could be president. But as soon as he said the cops that tried to arrest Henry Louis Gates in front of his house "acted stupidly," his approval with white voters went underwater and never really recovered. And it wasn't for lack of trying on his part! He was still the same guy who talked frequently about his white family and his Kansas roots and being a president for ALL Americans. Didn't matter.

I can only speak for myself, but for me, it was a lot easier to learn once I let go of the more "race neutral" definitions of racism that we learned growing up (where the teacher says "imagine if all the kids with brown eyes got to play with whatever they wanted and the blue eyed kids had to do work, that's racism.") But for most white people, it never goes beyond that, which is why we still have to "debate" Trump's racism and if it really exists. For all the shit he gets on this board, OE wasn't wrong when he said it's a childlike way of thinking of race. And since most of us don't have to confront white supremacy thinking in our everyday lives, we have the luxury to keep that childlike mentality. I think it matters more for white people to break through that than it does in being "internally consistent."

To sum up, I'm not sure going after people like Sarah Jeong and calling her a racist is the way to get allies that are ever going to give a shit (not putting myself above anyone else, I'm certainly flawed and don't do as much as I probably could.) Because all it ultimately does is reinforce the status quo understanding of race. But I appreciate where you're coming from.

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288. "who are these phantom allies?"
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I can't believe any kind of man would be as much of a mealy mouthed worthless sack of absolute nothing as what you represent every day.




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281. "ok, name one person who would've taken a charge of racism seriously"
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but now, if you don't swear on the bible that sarah is definitely racist,


then won't take it seriously?

show me this person. produce that motherfucker.

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196. "Oh, it clearly affected some of the people in this post"
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Unless you're suggesting those people are just arguing in bad faith or because their online brand is to do the opposite of whatever RJCC says.

Me, I choose to believe these people are being honest and that they're genuinely hurt and offended by someone saying "cancel white people" and I hope their senior years of high school are going to be tons of fun.

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230. "ITT: 0% ethos, 0% logos, 100% pathos."
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Cognitive dissonance rearing its' head: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

No point debating certain topics on OKP because there are too many black-and-white thinkers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)


Internet forums, in-general, aren't a place for lively, respectful debate, but rather safe spaces for people of similar thoughts and interests. Basically this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink


No point, really. It's been written.

  

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237. "Plea cops and moving goalpoasts"
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This will be my last attempt to explain

I previously posted the definition of racism/racist, which I haven't seen contradicted

Where I think excusing her behavior, and using herculean efforts to dispute the claims that her tweets do, even at a basic level, fit the defintion

...is the plea cops that will be used in the future to excuse similar behavior...and moving the goalpoasts to define the word...

For example;
Most agree that Trump's mexican's are rapists comments were racist
Post Jeong-tweet scandal...you now provide him with the plea cop
He didn't say ALL mexicans, he only said the mexicans that come here

Somebody like Papa John using the n word in a conference call
I was using satire

Any future claim of racism
You have to read through a ream of exchanges to really put the excerpt in proper context

Etc...

You can't just claim something/somebody is racist because you don't like them

There is a basic working definition of the word, and as I said, her tweets are literally just that

It's quite simple actually

I hope that helps, and if it doesn't, I hope you find the help you need to see it

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247. "They have been doing this for years!"
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>Most agree that Trump's mexican's are rapists comments were
>racist
>Post Jeong-tweet scandal...you now provide him with the plea
>cop
>He didn't say ALL mexicans, he only said the mexicans that
>come here

This was something people used to defend him back in 2015.

>Somebody like Papa John using the n word in a conference call
>I was using satire

People have been doing literally what you describe forever now.

>Any future claim of racism
>You have to read through a ream of exchanges to really put the
>excerpt in proper context
>
>Etc...

This never had anything to do with Sarah Jeong. Shit, how many months ago did Trump call immigrants "animals" only to respond with "well, he was TECHNICALLY only talking about MS-13."

Go back to any right wing troll who lets it slip what they really want to do with people of color/queer people/women who don't want to be barefoot and pregnant. They get in trouble, they say "I'm just doing satire/I'm an entertainer/you just don't get my sense of humor/look at the context."

Remember when Limbaugh went off on Donovan McNabb? Go look at how he defended himself. Or Mike Cernovich anytime he's been called out on his awfulness.

This is the playbook they've been running since at least the 90's. There was a right wing talk radio show who said that we should be allowed to bring back slavery and used this exact same defense. He's now a fucking Congressman and is still using it.

And ALL of this predates last week.

You will never get them to play by the rules by showing them how good you are at staying inside the lines. It would be great if you could, but when one side views norms and rules as something that should only exist for their benefit, you can't win.

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248. "Ok, then acknowledge that you're not sticking to any sort of ethical"
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stance. That's it's just "she's on our team so we have her back, period." Stop trying to pretend this is based on any other sort of principle, or trying to explain away the racism of her statements. That actually makes its own sort of sense, even though I find it distasteful. That really would be honest, in its own way.

  

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250. "/end"
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251. "But you're assuming I find her statements hurtful"
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I genuinely do not.

I do not feel like my life is any worse off or even has the potential to be worse off because she said my people are sun-fearing goblins.

It's not that this is because "she's on my side," it's because I genuinely don't think these are bad things to say about white people.

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252. "Hurtful ≠ racist"
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If some random person came up to me and said "black people are trash", I wouldn't be hurt. I'd ignore him and go on with my day.

That doesn't change the fact that it is a racist remark.

There is no requirement that somebody has to be hurt for something to be considered racist.

If you would classify something like "black people are trash" as a racist statement the logic would lead to "white people are trash" to be racist as well. This is just using the definition of racist.
In my opinion, any other conclusion is just a version of 'our teaming'. Not that there is anything wrong with our teaming. It's just important to recognize when you
or others are doing it

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254. "To what end, though?"
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You already know the people working to get her fired aren't doing so in good faith.

Why give them cover?

That's what I can't get past.

"Her tweets are racist!" And? Should she lose her job?

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258. "I'm saying at least acknowledge the facts internally"
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(1) If they aren't engaging in good faith, then there's no need for you to do so either. Among others, defend her just like they would defend their guys.

(2) But to dance around in circles within yourself to say something is not racist when logic demonstrates it is seems pointless. Why would you try to convince yourself of this?

That's why a lot of the arguments here confuse me. I can't tell whether it is people doing (1) or (2)

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259. "Peep this"
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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Motte_and_bailey

This has been so illuminating, as a description of a lot of what's going on in this discussion.

  

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261. "Here is an essay with some further exploration on this"
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Specifically as relates to discussions about racism. As with all essays (even my own), my posting it is not an endorsement of every word therein (as even though the author is clearly a decent chap, I'm sure some of the same people defending "fuck white women lol" will find micro-aggressions aplenty inside):

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-words-words-words/

  

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317. "so which parts don't you endorse specifically?"
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262. "I don't have a problem with what she said"
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If you see that as "dancing around in circles within myself," fine.

The original post in here was a swipe (which the OP obviously disagrees with) stating that they didn't think she was being "the real racist" and that the people arguing she was were doing so entirely in bad faith. If you want to join that chorus in the name of "internal consistency," you certainly can. I personally would rather be thought of as "less than 100% consistent internally" than I would "guy who gives intellectual cover to fucking fascists," but that's just my opinion.

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266. "I'm not going to join them publicly. But in here....we family"
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Publicly, I'll be taking the side that what she said is not racist. But in my mind, I know that that is a bullshit position.

I don't feel the need to argue in bad faith on OKP. We family

>If you see that as "dancing around in circles within myself,"
>fine.
>
>The original post in here was a swipe (which the OP obviously
>disagrees with) stating that they didn't think she was being
>"the real racist" and that the people arguing she was were
>doing so entirely in bad faith. If you want to join that
>chorus in the name of "internal consistency," you certainly
>can. I personally would rather be thought of as "less than
>100% consistent internally" than I would "guy who gives
>intellectual cover to fucking fascists," but that's just my
>opinion.

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271. "Fair enough, and I can't really be mad at this response"
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316. "why feel the need to take a position at all?"
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is that somehow required?

just ask them to explain how it's racist and wait for them to use arguments that don't actually work.

it's really simple. no one has forced you to authorize her to do anything.

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334. "http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg"
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http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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339. "oh, you're not one of the good guys fif was talking about I get it."
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349. "http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg"
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http://i.imgur.com/c7c8aDx.jpg

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253. "What if she were your boss?"
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Do you think it's fair to expect members of group X who work under managers who have made comments like "group X is bullshit" and "fuck group X" to expect to be treated fairly by those managers? I'd be shocked if you thought this was the case for Jews or African-Americans.

Would an Asian woman who said similar things about whites just fundamentally be incapable of abusing her authority to ever discriminate against whites, ever, such that no such concerns could ever be valid? If so, what is the mechanism that prevents this across the board?

It would seem to me that a group of people who want minorities to have more power than they currently do, can't prescribe a code of morality for the actions of minorities that depends for its validity on those minorities never achieving this power.

  

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255. "I'd love for her to be my boss"
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257. "You white? "
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What if she had a bad day and demoted you?

Just cause you white?

Racist? Harmful?



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263. "Yes I am, and it would be worth it to hear some good goblin jokes"
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I fucking love goblin jokes

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284. "the white people she actually has worked with support her, so"
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thank you for proving that you have no point.

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318. "All of them? What’s your source?"
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323. "burden of proof is on you"
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283. "you haven't shown any evidence of inconsistency."
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you have to actually do that, you can't just claim it.

you won't.

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343. "Yup. End post. You have intellectual honesty or you don't."
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350. "exactly, and y'all don't."
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260. "You mean in post #142, where you posted half of the Oxford definition"
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leaving out the very important caveat: ", especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

The complete Oxford definition (and this isn't the primary definition, btw) is "The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

SO which of the tweets is this complete definition supposed to apply?

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264. "RE: You mean in post #142, where you posted half of the Oxford definitio..."
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"dang white people are dumb"

"idk white people have no culture, they need people to steal culture from. think of the white people"

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267. "RE: You mean in post #142, where you posted half of the Oxford definitio..."
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>"dang white people are dumb" and from that statement, how are you determining that white people are inferior or superior to another race or races. I mean did you read, white people are dumber than Asians or something? That's not what I read.

>
>"idk white people have no culture, they need people to steal
>culture from. think of the white people"
>
Again, how are you determining that white people are inferior or superior to another race or races?

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268. "I read "dang white people are dumb". That's it."
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Unless dumb is an average level of intelligence, I interpret this as white people being inferior in general.

Having no culture is an bad characteristic. It is meant as an insult. By saying white people have no culture, I interpret that to mean they are inferior to others in this dimension.

>>"dang white people are dumb" and from that statement, how
>are you determining that white people are inferior or superior
>to another race or races. I mean did you read, white people
>are dumber than Asians or something? That's not what I read.
>
>>
>>"idk white people have no culture, they need people to steal
>>culture from. think of the white people"
>>
>Again, how are you determining that white people are inferior
>or superior to another race or races?
>

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269. "let's try this again........................../end"
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272. "YOUR interpretation....not anything that was actually written, though"
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>Unless dumb is an average level of intelligence, I interpret
>this as white people being inferior in general.

She could think everyone is dumb. Hell, she could think that white people are just as dumb as everyone else. Unless you have something more to go on than that one tweet...it isn't racist...not by y'all definition.

>Having no culture is an bad characteristic. It is meant as an
>insult. By saying white people have no culture, I interpret
>that to mean they are inferior to others in this dimension.

Insult, sure...but you're taking that insult to imply inferiority. She could be just calling white people thieves.

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273. "Actually I'm just going off what's written..."
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I'm interpreting to make it clear to you.
You are inserting extra stuff. Dumber than Asians? Just as dumb as everyone else?
You are doing the exact same thing Trump defenders do. He didn't mean all Mexicans. He meant MS-13 are animals, not all immigrants.

The statement is plain. "White people are dumb"

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275. "Either a word fits the definition, or it doesn't. you've yet to show"
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without putting words in her mouth how it fits the definition.

>I'm interpreting to make it clear to you.

and that's the problem...you can only interpret a racist meaning. Because the words that would be needed to actually show that she feels that whites are inferior just aren't there.

>You are inserting extra stuff. Dumber than Asians? Just as
>dumb as everyone else?

No...inserting extra stuff would be called "interpreting"...that's you. I asked did she say those things (i.e.; whites are dumber than Asians). Slight, yet important distinction between what I'm doing vs what you're doing.

>You are doing the exact same thing Trump defenders do. He
>didn't mean all Mexicans. He meant MS-13 are animals, not all
>immigrants.

Nah, Trump defenders ignore his racist actions...does Jeong have a history of not renting to whites? There would need to be a whole lot of bad actions on Jeong's behalf for this to be "just like Trump defenders".

>The statement is plain. "White people are dumb"

Yes, so show where this very simple statement is a statement about whites being dumber than anyone else that would make the statement align with this definition of racism that was trotted out.

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276. "So RJCC has multiple accounts y'all."
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278. "I do, that's not one of them."
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280. "the real mystery is a guy lies about the meaning of a word and"
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the "we should take the high road" folks have shit to say about it.

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279. "show me the same statement by trump where I've said it was racist?"
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you try to drop in hypotheticals that don't work in the real world.

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282. "dude you gave away the game! "
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I know they're lying and I could've called them out on it at any point

but I like seeing them dig deeper, fuck fuck fuck.

why would you do this?

let them lieeeeee

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285. "lol"
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287. "it's really sad when the average board poster is worse at this"
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than some russian sockpuppet on twitter.


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291. "I can't believe you're being asked "how did they lie"? below"
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292. "^Okay now that's Reggie."
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I'm 98% now.

  

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294. "I am deeply offended that you think I would call out the lie"
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unprompted, without letting you dig for another hundred replies first.

that's just not me.

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295. "Yeah.."
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For real though. That's you, I'm pretty sure. Which is weird.


And Sarah Jeong's statements are mad racist also.

  

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297. "cool, explain how."
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298. "I'd rather you don't figure it out, tbh."
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I'm considering seeing who out there in la la land has courage enough to sign a petition in solidarity with brave Sarah, signing on with their government name to say they agree with her satirical, not-at-all racist statements.

Would you be down to put your John Hancock on that? I know you wouldn't let a little thing like the exclusively alt-right bad faith belly-achers silence you...

  

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299. "wait, how does this work?"
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if I ask you to explain how it is racist, then that means I have to sign my name saying I believe in it?



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301. "Surely You are All Sarah Jeong?"
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She made a bunch of benign statements and the alt right is bullying her for them, right? I'd think you'd be willing to step up and take some of the flack. Think of it as a Facebook rainbow flag filter, for tweets.

  

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302. "so, that's not what facebook's rainbow flag filter means"
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I don't recall saying they were benign -- go ahead and link me to the spot where I did, or are you lying again?

and even if they were, that wouldn't mean I'd need to or want to copy someone else's words. that's not really how words work.

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304. "I wouldn't ride with a racist either. "
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Can't fool you.

  

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307. "where did I ever say I rode with her?"
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if you want to say she's a racist even though you can't prove it that is your right to say.



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303. "Only 98% sure? Shit if you're going to be wrong, go all in"
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y'all ain't saying you're 98% sure that Jeong's tweets are racist. Don't I at least get that same level of wrongedness?

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293. "I think he thinks he'sdoing my thing back at me?"
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but the problem is that unlike the losers claiming her tweets are racist...I can actually explain my statement because I've thought about it and I understand what it means.


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286. "How did he lie?"
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289. "knowingly presenting a "definition" that was incomplete"
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is a lie of omission.


if you'd like to argue that in fact he is incompetent and merely screwed up then that is a choice you have.

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300. "see this is why I hate answering y'all's questions"
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because after I do, you just quit.


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342. "Thank you for your integrity."
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344. "all we can do is try"
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348. "What's the definition of racism, again? "
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354. "ohh...you need me to define the word especially for you too..."
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pats on head

okay

my replies are based on the basic definition of the word

I omitted especially, because you don't have to meet that criteria for the preceding to hold true

you follow

need me to define omit, precede, ...anything else...?

For someone to make deragatory comments about an entire race, which they are not a member of, the especially still holds...if you want to play that game

as a Korean-American

she did not say all people are dumb
she did not say he or she is dumb
she said white people are dumb

Making them inferior...now you can play your game of...show me where she said another race is superior...

and go

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355. "how does it make them inferior?"
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did she say that other people aren't dumb?

show your work.


also, why doesn't the ableism of the term "dumb" bother you?

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356. "burden of proof is on you...prove it doesn't"
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you're claiming being dumb...reduced intellect...is not an inferior quality

show your work, prove that it isn't

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357. "let me guess how this is going to go........"No, you......""
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359. "LOL, it was entertaining for a few minutes...now I've grown tired of the"
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shtick again

see you guys on Monday, have a good weekend

I'm sure there'll be plenty of racist activity over this weekend

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360. "just like I said you wouldn't."
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358. "I didn't claim that at all. You claim they're being portrayed as inferio..."
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you have to prove it.

You won't.

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361. "lol. It was the omission of "specifically" and the rest that followed"
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you don't get to leave out parts of a definition of a word, just so you can force a thing to conform. That's called being dishonest...do you want a definition?

edit: for example, your altered definition of racism is, " the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race".

Black people have dark skin <-This would be an over generalization, but it wouldn't be racist taken at face value...unless, of course, we use your misleading definition of "racism", i.e.; I stated that each member of the Black race (and for shits and giggles, I'll even let you assume that I meant All Black people) posses a certain characteristic...dark skin...specific to the race.

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362. "The "we need teh moral high ground" crowd awfully quiet on this"
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363. "This is what you wrote in #260:"
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leaving out the very important caveat: ", especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."



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This was bentagain's reply in #354:

I omitted especially, because you don't have to meet that criteria for the preceding to hold true


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This is what you wrote in #361:

"lol. It was the omission of "specifically" and the rest that followed


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uh.......

you introduced "specifically" in #361.



uh.......


you messed up.

  

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365. "s/specifically/especially...better? Now how about using the real def?"
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366. "you really messed up, dude"
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"especially" indicates that something is in the "top tier" of the category among other things that fit into the category.

"specifically" indicates that something is the ONLY representation of that category - nothing else fits.

  

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368. "show me where I used a definition containing "specifically" "
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369. "361"
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"lol. It was the omission of "specifically" and the rest that followed

  

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370. "in the title? Oh, what was I use the definition on?"
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371. "RE: in the title? Oh, what was I use the definition on?"
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I'd love to see how this goes...

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372. "in reply #365, you were acting like "specifically" and "
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"especially" made no difference:


s/specifically/especially...better? Now how about using the real def?


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then when I in reply #366 tore that down, you are trying to run and hide.


in reply #361, you were accusing bentagin of omitting "specifically" when you used the word in #260 "especially"


that was what you were accusing bentagain of in #361 so stop trying to run and hide.

You messed up.

  

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373. "no...that means "search for specifically, replace with especially""
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I mean, I could have just edited the title and shut you up, because you're grasping at straws.

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374. "why would I search for "specifically" when it is right there"
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in #361 for me to quote in often to show you accused bentagin of omitting "specifically" when he omitted the "especially" clause of your #260 reply?


I have no reason to search and replace anything that is the basis of what you accused bentagain.

  

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375. "whoosh"
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305. "She was trolling "
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The nazis who were trolling her. She used theor insults of her culture back on them because they are so ignorant.

  

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306. "You sure?"
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When she was midway through a conversation with a friend and threw in a "fuck white women lol", that was trolling nazis?

When she spontaneously wrote how much joy she got out of being cruel to old white men, that was trolling?

In context, with hundreds of problematic tweets showing a consistent animus towards one group, isn't it a lot more likely she was just expressing racism, the same way a white guy with hundreds of tweets about "cancel black people" and "jews are bullshit" would be?

  

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308. "what are his reasons for wanting to cancel black people?"
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what would cancellation involve?

give me some context.

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309. "We only know he's written hundreds of similar tweets"
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Cancel Black People, Bullshit ass Black People marking up the internet, I like being cruel to Black People, etc.

He hasn't written these messages about other groups.

You hiring him for a gig?

  

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310. "we need an analysis of each tweet"
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at least to act like they all don't have an overriding message.


deliberate blindness

  

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312. "/thread"
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:)


...yeah right.

  

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345. "Exactly. Total bad faith."
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311. "what am I hiring him for? is he good at it?"
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he hasn't said anything about any other group at all?

he never tweeted about the TSA, or uber drivers?


that's kinda bizarre don't you think? I might suggest some counseling.

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313. "You win."
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314. "*shrug*"
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trying to narrowly define racism on the use of a few words is a game no one wins.

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315. "wait, is Heather Heyer's mom a racist?"
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"Unfortunately, we’re still at such a racial divide that it took a white girl dying for white people to wake up and pay attention," she said. People of color, she said, "have been fighting this fight for many years – this is not news to them."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/09/charlottesville-unite-right-rally-susan-bro-misses-heather-heyer/933809002/


she said white people don't pay attention to issues!

she's denigrating an entire group based on their skin color zomggggggg

or....


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319. "This is just dumb."
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Stop it.

  

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321. "that's an ableist term"
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320. "Clearly. "
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322. "just out here stereotyping people wildly"
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335. "Imagine if she said "It took a black girl dying for people to pay attent..."
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to what white people have been dealing with for years."

It would've been utterly untrue and a completely different statement, but *free your mind*

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338. "it's bizarre to me that people have fallen for this"
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"oh well if you replace the words!" trick because it's so transparently ridiculous
they'd rather not think

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340. "RE: Imagine if she said "It took a black girl dying for people to pay at..."
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347. "Sarah Jeong killed him? After beating those women in a salon?"
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How does she even find the time to tweet about white people smelling like wet dogs/doing white genocide (same thing?)

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383. "duh and Sarah made #PermitPatty and #BBQBecky call the cops"
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384. "Fuck...Sarah tipped off Zimmerman about Trayvon"
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353. "um, what?"
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324. "Another hot as hellfire take"
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https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/sarah-jeong-and-the-question-of-context

Cliffs: The effort by critics to hold Jeong to the same moral standards for her spewed bile as whites is really just an effort to undermine moral authority of these vulnerable venters (and by extension, all POCS)..

The irony for these writers is they are the only ones who come close to doing this, by insisting basic civility simply can’t apply or be expected from minoroties, even elite ones.

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325. "BASIC STANDARDS OF CIVILITYYYYYYYY"
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tbf that's fucked up how sarah jeong was walking around new york calling the police on random white people. yet another example of the downfall of the left.

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327. "Keep destroying those strawmen, you liar"
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328. "that's not a straw man argument."
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330. "i don't have the energy right now"
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to wade in and get invested in this thread beyond reading. but i'd like to thank the posters who've countered the disgraceful mod's meltdown in here. it's important not to let the shrillest voices derail conversation. how are we going to move forward as a country if the ground rules the good guys play by are dictated by people like rjcc? the left dies if it plays unprincipled us vs them identity politics. it was touch and go for a while there but as a spectator of this thread I've been heartened to see people with integrity step up and take unpopular but principled stances against the mob mentality. race to the bottom tactics cannot be the way forward.

  

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331. "who are the good guys?"
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332. "well for instance"
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people who believe in raising the standards of living for everyone who is grinding unnecessarily hard just to get a roof and food for their family. unnecessarily because we have the technological capacity to ease burdens all over the map yet somehow life never seems to get much easier for lots and lots of people. that's a good broad goal that the democratic party used to be about.

also, people committed to improving the conversations we have with one another. people actually interested in learning from other people rather than wielding fixed notions like maniacs. people of different races, political parties, etc have got to be able to communicate in honest ways without being a hair-trigger away from throwing all manner of accusations around and shutting down the dialogue. I understand you believe a lot of people are deplorable but that midwestern woman ("fuck white women") who swung red and voted Trump, how terrible is that individual? Each and every one is how exactly? You can't know what is inside people you...don't know. Be humble. Seems like a good idea, this being a democracy where votes matter, to try to extend some olive branches and heal the rift between the left and the Michigan Trump voter who maybe just couldn't stand Hillary for whatever reason. Instead I see a lot of doubling down into us vs them and I don't think it will be productive electorally, and this thread is clear evidence that your mentality does not bear fruit intellectually.

ok take a phrase or two from above and twist it around in some nonsensical way and go to bed convinced you won all the points yet again.

  

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333. "twist what? You didn't name anyone."
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I asked you who the good guys are, and then you listed off some imaginary shit of people who you think might exist somewhere.

because they ain't real.

you wish I needed to twist your words.

edit - LOL I actually read this bullshit. the fuck are you talking about democratic party? to whomst are you referring? I'm not in it and never have been...so why would you be mad at me and claim it's some problem with the party or vice versa?

gonna go out on a limb and suggest I know more "michigan trump voter" types than you do and they'd smack you in the fucking mouth for this weak ass shit.


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367. "Obama speaking on Mandela's 100th birthday"
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25 days ago:

"Embracing our common humanity does not mean that we have to abandon our unique ethnic and national and religious identities. Madiba never stopped being proud of his tribal heritage. He didn't stop being proud of being a black man and being a South African. But he believed, as I believe, that you can be proud of your heritage without denigrating those of a different heritage. (Applause.) In fact, you dishonor your heritage. It would make me think that you're a little insecure about your heritage if you've got to put somebody else's heritage down. (Laughter.) Yeah, that's right. (Laughter.) Don't you get a sense sometimes – again, I'm ad-libbing here – that these people who are so intent on putting people down and puffing themselves up that they're small-hearted, that there's something they're just afraid of. Madiba knew that we cannot claim justice for ourselves when it's only reserved for some. Madiba understood that we can't say we've got a just society simply because we replaced the color of the person on top of an unjust system, so the person looks like us even though they're doing the same stuff, and somehow now we've got justice. That doesn't work. (Cheers and applause.) It's not justice if now you're on top, so I'm going to do the same thing that those folks were doing to me and now I'm going to do it to you. That's not justice. "I detest racialism," he said, "whether it comes from a black man or a white man." "

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379. "If you didn't have anything to say, you could've just not replied."
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346. "Totally disgraceful. Zero intellectual honesty."
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352. "not even 0.1? How do you quantify that?"
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381. "Zero."
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382. "oh, you don't have any evidence. ok."
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336. "Laura Ingraham = not racist"
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Her adopted daughter is Guatemalan, so she doesn't hate all immigrants

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341. "the burden of proof is on you...prove I'm having a stroke"
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351. "I asked if you're having a stroke, I didn't say you're having a stroke."
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you seem confused but there are no signs of aphasia, perhaps this is just dementia?

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364. "Microaggression, or Social Justice Talk? (handy chart)"
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https://twitter.com/CampbellSocProf/status/1027958694657413120

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376. "that poor poor oppressed white man"
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377. "Thankfully, ppl can explore logical inconsistencies "
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378. "Have to get people to agree on what they mean by racism first"
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380. "right, like the ones where you claim something is racist"
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without actually proving that it is.

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388. "Well, that's one of the dumbest things that I've read this week"
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386. "they're now targeting a white microsoft employee"
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who coincidentally happens to be a woman

for allegedly being racist against white people

seems weird idk

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387. "Weird, because these people don't make attacks in bad faith"
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unless you prompt them to, by making a wet dog joke.

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Rjcc
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389. "quick question for the Jeong is racist crowd:"
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where do you cash in all of your "not a hypocrite" chips to call out racism when the daily caller says "How is it possible that the sub-human horror of the third-world can find its way to the peaceful farm communities of my upbringing?"

https://splinternews.com/daily-callers-benny-johnson-goes-fully-racist-over-man-1828521690

he didn't specifically mention race though, so......


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390. "It appears that same energy was not kept."
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391. "Fuck, guess this means the white genocide is happening "
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We had a good run (not really)

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392. "Chuck Wendig"
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yo, I'm starting to think these people aren't free speech advocates.

http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2018/10/12/in-which-i-am-fired-from-marvel/

"Except, yeah, no. Today I got the call. I’m fired. Because of the negativity and vulgarity that my tweets bring. Seriously, that’s what Mark, the editor said. It was too much politics, too much vulgarity, too much negativity on my part."

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