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Walleye
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"DSA in Vox: Medicare for All means something, and it's good"


          

Medicare for All: Catch the Fever*

*and if you get a non-metaphorical fever, you can go to the doctor to be treated, free at the point of use.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/7/13/17567952/medicare-for-all-centrists-copycat-plans-water-down-left-center-sanders

“Medicare-for-all” means something. Don’t let moderates water it down.
Centrists want to co-opt the phrase and apply it to something weaker than a single-payer system.

By Tim Higginbotham and Chris Middleman Jul 13, 2018, 9:50am EDT

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez beat 10-term House Democrat Joe Crowley in New York’s 14th District — the political upset of the year — in part because she championed Medicare-for-all (in addition to free college tuition and a jobs guarantee, among other progressive policies).

Immediately, some pundits began to try their best to explain her victory in a light most favorable to moderate liberals.

Part of their agenda involved watering down what “Medicare-for-all” means. It is very important that Medicare-for-all advocates resist these efforts and clarify exactly what we’re fighting for.

Vox’s Dylan Scott recently quoted one activist (Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee), describing the “pleasant ambiguity of Medicare-for-all.” Green suggested that there was no downside to letting voters hold different definitions of the phrase in their minds, at least during campaign season. Meanwhile, Paul Krugman described Medicare-for-all, in his New York Times column, as a “deliberately ambiguous phrase.”

“In practice,” Krugman wrote, presumably to reassure centrist readers, “ probably wouldn’t mean pushing everyone into a single-payer system. Instead, it would mean allowing individuals and employers to buy into Medicare — basically a big public option. That’s really not radical at all.”

It’s correct that Democrats diverge on the issue of health care. Yet despite the musings of Krugman and others, there’s nothing ambiguous about the Medicare-for-all legislation Ocasio-Cortez supports and that appealed to the people who voted for her. She was referring to two specific bills, Rep. Keith Ellison’s H.R. 676 and its companion, Sen. Bernie Sanders’s S. 1804, both of which would create a single-payer health care system and both of which share clear principles.

Yet as public support for Medicare-for-all rises, establishment think tanks and lobbyists are floating proposals designed to capitalize on its momentum while diluting its content.

In February, the Center for American Progress released a plan called “Medicare Extra for All,” a particularly shameless attempt to co-opt Medicare-for-all’s popularity. It would create a public option similar to what Krugman describes — it would allow people to buy into a public “Medicare Extra” plan while leaving in place the privatized, multi-payer system that drives our health care struggles.

Obama administration alumnus Andy Slavitt’s United States of Care initiative, on the other hand, promises to “put health care over politics” — an obvious impossibility — with three extremely vague “principles”: giving Americans “an affordable regular source of health care”; protecting them from “financial devastation” as a result of medical bills; and, the giveaway that Slavitt’s organization will settle for less than what voters are demanding, requiring legislation to be “economically responsible” to “win ... political support.”

Benchmarks as vague as that prevent any accountability, ensuring that, whatever inadequate plan might be passed, these experts will be able to congratulate themselves.

In contrast to such vagueness, Democratic Socialists for Medicare for All (for whom we work) — a campaign organized and paid for by Democratic Socialists of America, working in coalition with National Nurses United and Labor Campaign for Single Payer — has defined its five core demands as follows. They dovetail with the Sanders and Ellison bills.

There should be a single, federal program
We need a true single-payer system, not a patchwork. Unlike our current fragmented mess of a health care system, Medicare-for-all would ensure that Americans no longer have their health outcomes determined by the free market’s whims.

It would expand Medicare to everyone as a single, public program and prohibit private insurers from offering competing services, effectively abolishing the private health insurance industry altogether and democratizing approximately one-sixth of the US economy.

Health insurance CEOs currently make an average of over $20 million per year by profiting off the sick; Medicare-for-all will redirect the money that currently goes to them toward its intended purpose: providing health care.

With all Americans on the same program, every doctor and hospital will be in-network, giving patients complete freedom to choose from whom and from where they receive care. Unlike tiered systems in which the wealthy are able to purchase a higher standard of care — the kind that CAP and United States of Care advocate for — Medicare-for-all will extend high-quality care to everyone.

As Nye Bevan, architect of Britain’s National Health Service, argued in 1958, “you can’t have different treatment in order of contribution. You can’t perform a second-class operation on a patient if they aren’t paid up.”

Coverage should be comprehensive
The program will provide comprehensive coverage that exceeds the services currently covered by Medicare. Dental, vision, and mental care will be covered, as will inpatient care, outpatient care, primary care, preventative care, palliative care, ambulatory care, emergency care, maternal care, and newborn care.

It will eliminate the need for supplemental insurance, expanding the benefits of expensive “Medigap” plans to everyone. Sanders’s bill will also cover contraceptives and abortion, as well as repeal the Hyde Amendment, which largely bars the use of federal funds to pay for abortion; that would make it one of the strongest reproductive rights bills in US history.

Health care should be free at the point of use

Everything covered under Medicare-for-all will be provided without cost, meaning no fees, no copays, and no deductibles. Medicare-for-all isn’t “affordable access” or the opportunity to pay for care; it’s care without any financial hurdles at the doctor’s office, clinic, or hospital.

The program will be funded by progressive taxation — in other words, by primarily taxing corporations and the rich. American residents and employers would pay a tax that would effectively replace their current health care expenses; it would be modest for most and rise according to ability to pay.

Sanders projects that his bill will mean substantial savings for 95 percent of Americans. The average working-class family currently pays nearly $6,300 a year in premiums — not to mention unpredictable out-of-pocket spending. Under Medicare-for-all, such a family would pay less than $500 in taxes, saving well more than $5,000 per year.

Medicare-for-all will be a program by and for the people, one based on neither charity nor sacrifice. It will benefit everyone, guaranteeing that none of us ever has to worry about affording a medical emergency. Such a program will eliminate the number one cause of bankruptcy in the country and remove the unnecessary stress of dealing with the insurance market, decommodifying one of our most basic human needs.

The program would be universal
Medicare-for-all will cover all American residents, regardless of income, age, employment, medical history, or immigration status.

“Health care is a right” has become such a common catchphrase that proponents of all kinds of health care plans have adopted it. Yet any health care proposal that maintains unequal coverage and cost-sharing — the requirement that patients foot part of the bill — can never be truly universal. Even meager copays deter patients from receiving care. And forcing people to choose between competing insurance plans, even with a robust public option on the table, will inevitably leave many underinsured.

If we are truly committed to the idea of health care as a right, then we will eliminate the profit motive and guarantee that all patients receive the same standard of treatment and breadth of coverage. Real universal programs foster solidarity by bringing people together under equal treatment for the benefit of the common good. Medicare-for-all will be the first program of its kind in the United States, and will change Americans’ understanding of what they can and should demand from their government.

It would provide a just transition for workers currently employed by the private insurance industry
Both the Sanders and Ellison bills include severance, placement assistance, and job training for those affected by the abolition of the private insurance industry. Many people will still be needed to administer Medicare-for-all, but it will result in a massive reduction in administration work, eliminating the need for many insurance workers and administrative staff in hospitals.

More health care providers will be needed, and health care professionals currently working for insurance companies can find work in the field. But a training and placement program is absolutely necessary to protect the incomes of insurance and administrative workers for whom the transition proves more challenging. Our Medicare-for-all proposal will provide this.

A mass movement for Medicare-for-all is emerging around these five principles, with groups like the Democratic Socialists of America and National Nurses United running nationwide campaigns built on door-knocking and public advocacy. In April, the Democratic Socialists of America hosted its first Weekend of Action, during which dozens of chapters in more than 20 states canvassed and organized town halls or rallies; an even bigger weekend event is planned for August 11-12.

Last month, Healthcare NOW and Labor Campaign for Single Payer held a single-payer strategy conference in Minneapolis, attended by dozens of unions and single-payer advocacy groups from around the country.

These campaigns are working. A recent Morning Consult/Politico poll shows that 63 percent of American voters support a “Medicare-for-all health care system, where all Americans would get their health insurance from the government.” Just 26 percent were opposed.

Clear, honest messaging will help us build on this popularity and prevent lookalike proposals from sowing confusion.

Let there be no doubt — Medicare-for-all is a universal, public program that would provide comprehensive medical care to all American residents, totally free at the point of use. Any attempt by pundits or lobbyists to muddy the waters around this proposal is an obvious attempt to co-opt the campaign’s momentum with an eye toward weakening future legislation and protecting the interests of health-industry profiteers.

Ocasio-Cortez’s moral clarity on the campaign trail worked to great effect with New York City voters. Medicare-for-all reflects that resolute vision, one in which our common well-being and dignity take obvious precedence over the profits of a few. For millions of American voters, there’s nothing ambiguous about it.

Tim Higginbotham and Chris Middleman are organizers with the Democratic Socialists for Medicare for All campaign. Find them on Twitter @singlepayertom and @_Middleman

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I feel like that compromise IS the M4A we're going to get, though
Jul 25th 2018
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I'm just now appreciating the freedom in my irrelevance
Jul 25th 2018
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      I doubt this really bothers those in opposition
Jul 25th 2018
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      That does seem to be the case
Jul 25th 2018
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      MN's number one employer is United Health
Jul 25th 2018
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           Yeah, I'm just glad the M4A bills try to address this (edit)
Jul 25th 2018
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           That's actually not a bad way of framing it
Jul 25th 2018
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           And, right on time for this conversation...
Jul 25th 2018
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Marauder21
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1. "I feel like that compromise IS the M4A we're going to get, though"
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We allowed insurance companies to grow way too big to just junk them all now. FDR honestly should've pushed harder for healthcare to be tied to Social Security back when that was established.

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Walleye
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2. "I'm just now appreciating the freedom in my irrelevance"
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You're almost certainly right, at least in the short term of the next decade or so. Still, there's something liberating in realizing that I'm just a political subject and not a political actor.

It definitely won't happen if we don't ask for it. So we'll be loud, and take the small wins like making people acknowledge that opposition to this idea is the same thing as finding it morally acceptable for people to die because they're poor.

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3. "I doubt this really bothers those in opposition"
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>that opposition to this idea is the same thing as finding it
>morally acceptable for people to die because they're poor.
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Walleye
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4. "That does seem to be the case"
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I think we're at least a generation removed from needing to convince our opponents of anything, politically. We've got more people, after all.

Anyhow, the thing I'm thinking of is this weird Daily Caller article about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The author's horror at the potential popularity of her positions is really telling: these are things people want. She's pretty much exactly who you're describing, but it's incredibly jarring to see her accidentally unpack the moral horror her position:

"I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education.

I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right."

In the face of grotesque tax cuts for the wealthy and a military budget that dwarfs like the next dozen countries combined, all she's left with is having to say "free healthcare, education, and a living wage aren't good." And she's going to. And people more important than her are going to. But since she's wrong, and since her positions are going to create more and more people who desperately need those things, the "socialism or barbarism" distinction is going to get more and more clear.

We're going to win. It'll just be slow and hard.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/23/conservative-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rally/

I’M A CONSERVATIVE, AND I WENT TO AN ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ RALLY
1:22 PM 07/23/2018
Virginia Kruta | Associate Editor

On Saturday evening, Democratic congressional candidate Cori Bush held a rally in celebration of her birthday. Bush, who is running in the Aug. 7 primary against seven-term incumbent William “Lacy” Clay Jr. in Missouri’s First Congressional District (St. Louis), brought in some star power for the event: Democratic socialist and Bronx native Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Over the years, I have attended my share of political events: tea party protests, a Rick Perry speech on tax cuts, a Ted Cruz rally, and even a speech given by President Donald Trump earlier this year. But nothing prepared me for the stark difference in tone.

Bush’s rally packed a few hundred friends and activists into a bar called the Ready Room in St. Louis, and almost from the moment I walked through the door, I was surrounded by a group of women who were discussing over drinks the reasons they had gotten involved in politics — the two things they all had in common were anger and fear. One even said, “I just couldn’t stand being angry and afraid all the time.”

As the rally kicked off, a series of invited guests took the stage, each sharing the reasons that they supported Bush. Several mentioned the Ferguson protests — which began after police officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown on Aug. 9, 2014 — and recalled being tear-gassed and arrested alongside Bush.

Others invoked the “Israeli occupation of Palestine” while still others told stories of “woke” grandchildren who asked over pancakes whether ICE was going to come and arrest them.

One even praised the strength and dedication of convicted cop-killer Assata Shakur — while Ocasio-Cortez (who was waiting in the wings) and Bush nodded along.

But then Ocasio-Cortez spoke, followed by Bush, and I saw something truly terrifying. I saw just how easy it would be, were I less involved and less certain of our nation’s founding and its history, to fall for the populist lines they were shouting from that stage.

I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education.

I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right.
Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided.
I watched as both Ocasio-Cortez and Bush deftly chopped America up into demographics, pointed out how those demographics had been victimized under the current system, and then promised to be the voice for those demographics. The movement, Ocasio-Cortez shouted, “knows no zip code. It knows no state. It knows no race. It knows no gender. It knows no documented status.”

Bush, after saying her piece, noted that she had been careful to allow speakers from across all demographics to make it clear that she was not running to represent just one particular group, but all.

I left the rally with a photo — in part to remind myself of that time I crashed a rally headlined by a socialist, but also in part to remind myself that there, but for the grace of God, go I.

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5. "MN's number one employer is United Health"
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And while I know that any sort of nationalized health care is going to require a lot of people with the same skill sets as they do for UHC, it's going to be very tough to get someone to sign off on killing their state's biggest employer (as shitty and useless as they may be.)

And it's going to be the same for the HQ's of Anthem, Cigna, Humana and everyone else. These companies should have never been allowed to get so huge that shuttering them could fuck over so many people, because there's no moral basis for these companies existing.

I have no idea how to square this circle, but at least nobody else seems to, either.

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Walleye
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6. "Yeah, I'm just glad the M4A bills try to address this (edit)"
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I spent three years in Tennessee un-or-underemployed and it was incredibly bad and hopeless. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.*

The other language that we've forgotten, politically speaking, is sacrifice for some larger purpose. It's never really been a national strong point, but we've at least gestured at it before. During wars, mostly. This is going to help way more people than it hurts, and the ironic availability of healthcare means it'll hurt those people less than the disruption or all-out collapse of a bunch of other industries that we seem to be mostly okay with. But for the time being, pretty much all there is to say is: this idea at least bothered to account for the possibility that a bunch of people may land pretty hard because of this.

Maybe the specific M4A proposals will add "expropriate all assets from the vampire CEOs of these healthcare companies." That should beef up the severance, at least.

*Somebody told me once that a lot of healthcare companies have their HQ in Nashville, so my non-specific example of unemployment misery has a weirdly specific valence in this case: being unemployed in Nashville is incredibly bad.

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8. "That's actually not a bad way of framing it"
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Ironically (since Obamacare was framed as this,) it probably would be smoother if the government just acquired all health insurance companies.

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Walleye
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7. "And, right on time for this conversation..."
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There's a picture.

https://twitter.com/JessLynn35/status/1022134939993554945

jess

@JessLynn35

Thanks covering a solid $240 of my $10.5k hospital bill, United Healthcare. Appreciate it.

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