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"Its official: you better stand your ass up"


  

          

CNN) NFL players this season must stand during the National Anthem, team owners decided Wednesday in Atlanta, a reaction to fierce backlash against some who took a knee in symbolic opposition to the systemic oppression of people of color, including by police.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said during a news conference that team owners unanimously agreed that the NFL can fine a team whose players protest on the sidelines during the National Anthem but that each team will set will its own rules regarding players who want to kneel. Players will not be fined individually by the league and will have the option to remain in the locker room while the anthem is played.

Previously, there had been no rule that prevented players from protesting.


"We want people to be respectful to the National Anthem," Goodell said. "We want people to stand, that's all personnel, and make sure that they treat this moment in a respectful fashion that's something I think we owe. We've been very sensitive in making sure that we give players choices, but we do believe that that moment is an important moment and one that we are going to focus on."


The NFL Players Association, which was not included in the talks with owners, said the union will review the new policy "and challenge any aspect of it that is inconsistent with the collective bargaining agreement." Owners discussed the topic for two hours on Tuesday and one hour Wednesday, Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said.

"The vote by NFL club CEOs today contradicts the statements made to our player leadership by Commissioner Roger Goodell and the Chairman of the NFL's Management Council John Mara about the principles, values and patriotism of our League," the association said in a statement.

The move by owners stems from the silent protests that began in 2016, when then-49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick kneeled during the anthem to draw attention to injustice.

It also brought the wrath of President Donald Trump, who in 2017 said players' kneeling showed "total disrespect for our great country."

In recent months, the league has worked toward a reported $90 million social justice partnership with the Players Coalition, using the NFL's platform to highlight players' efforts to curb injustice and to use political connections to push for legislative change.

The conversations in Atlanta came as two free-agent players, Kaepernick and Eric Reid, have filed separate grievances against the league, citing collusion in denying them jobs. Kaepernick and Reid both kneeled during the National Anthem when they were 49ers teammates, and Reid continued his protest last season. Kaepernick has been a free agent since March 2017.

  

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still a fumble lol
May 23rd 2018
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More like the owners snatched it back.
May 23rd 2018
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Can they stand like this:
May 23rd 2018
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Malcolm Jenkins did.
May 23rd 2018
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No...not according to Art Rooney
May 23rd 2018
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I hope they do !
May 23rd 2018
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RE: Its official: you better stand your ass up
May 23rd 2018
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land of the free
May 23rd 2018
7
they got a union - if their union can't do anything for them..then
May 23rd 2018
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Don't need the union's approval for this
May 23rd 2018
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      Unions will fight for what they want - strikes, etc.
May 23rd 2018
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           lol, not in the NFL playa
May 23rd 2018
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                then....that's on them. If you got a weak union, you did that to yoursel...
May 23rd 2018
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                     I mean ... the MLBPA is the most powerful labor union in the country
May 23rd 2018
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                     Life's about choices. If the players are in a union, voting on who will
May 23rd 2018
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                     The NFLPA has been getting ripped to shreds since the 90's
May 23rd 2018
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                          then, that's is a reflection of who they are.
May 23rd 2018
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                          signing off for today: Last word - the past being the past DOESN'T...
May 23rd 2018
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Will the NFL fine the people working the cameras?
May 23rd 2018
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So can they do something else?
May 23rd 2018
13
I'm sure they can and will
May 23rd 2018
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      that ish already happened
May 23rd 2018
24
Christopher Johnson pledges not to force players to stand for anthem
May 23rd 2018
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Doesn't his dad work for Trump?
May 23rd 2018
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      his brother
May 23rd 2018
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the players better ban together
May 23rd 2018
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won't happen....would've been done last year but....here we are
May 23rd 2018
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hoe-ass shit on behalf of those owners
May 23rd 2018
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gon be like 12 muhfkrs on the sideline...erybody else in the locker room
May 23rd 2018
29
that would be something to see
May 23rd 2018
30
Conservatism is political AIDS.
May 23rd 2018
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NFL players union has made a statement
May 24th 2018
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LOL... they making statements
May 24th 2018
33
      If the union has no power, that's on them - they won't/can't follow thru
May 24th 2018
34

Trinity444
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1. "still a fumble lol"
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how they threw it back to the owners to deal with.



  

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3. "More like the owners snatched it back. "
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Wed May-23-18 02:10 PM by legsdiamond

          

It’s their league. They “OWN” it. All of it

Players are just rented for a few years then tossed aside.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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2. "Can they stand like this:"
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/31/09/0126F59E00000514-0-image-m-43_1472632920226.jpg



Loophole the shit out of the NFL. If they ban that, then start wearing a black wristband or some shit.

  

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4. "Malcolm Jenkins did."
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>http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/31/09/0126F59E00000514-0-image-m-43_1472632920226.jpg
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>Loophole the shit out of the NFL. If they ban that, then start
>wearing a black wristband or some shit.

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FUCK DONALD TRUMP

  

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5. "No...not according to Art Rooney"
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Coolin...

  

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11. "I hope they do !"
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6. "RE: Its official: you better stand your ass up"
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https://tenor.com/view/shid-shaq-gif-8351847

  

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7. "land of the free"
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c71
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8. "they got a union - if their union can't do anything for them..then"
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Wed May-23-18 02:23 PM by c71

  

          

get your union weight up

  

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9. "Don't need the union's approval for this"
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c71
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10. "Unions will fight for what they want - strikes, etc."
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No way around that

  

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legsdiamond
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15. "lol, not in the NFL playa"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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c71
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17. "then....that's on them. If you got a weak union, you did that to yoursel..."
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they didn't have it in them to have a strong union


Am I supposed to cry that they don't want to do what will make their union strong?


I've heard of baseball strikes done by the union in baseball.

so.......

  

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23. "I mean ... the MLBPA is the most powerful labor union in the country"
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Not just sports ... ALL of labor. And we're in an era where organized labor is getting mollywhopped. I mean, we just had a decision on Monday undermining mutual aid and protection for workers.

that said, their union has always been the weakest of the sports unions, but it might not be totally fair to compare them to THE most powerful union that exists.

  

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c71
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26. "Life's about choices. If the players are in a union, voting on who will"
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"lead" the union, the union is operating and making decisions....


then.....



It's up to that union apparatus to make moves, decisions, strategies......


what some are trying to say is:


"yeah, the Football players union exists, the players vote for who will lead the union, the union makes decisions, but......."


uh....

no buts


The Football players union exists to make decisions and moves THEREFORE....


whatever the union chooses to do IS A REFLECTION OF WHAT THE PLAYERS HAVE CHOSEN (either by voting for the leaders of the union, etc.).


They choose not to strike, then that's their CHOICE.

They voted, the union exists. If they want something, THEY SHOULD GO TO THEIR UNION LEADERS AND DEMAND IT.

  

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25. "The NFLPA has been getting ripped to shreds since the 90's"
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c71
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27. "then, that's is a reflection of who they are."
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If they're going to have a union that makes moves, decisions, then they have to make moves and decisions that don't get them "ripped to shreds"


If their union can't keep from getting ripped to shreds, then what is it there for?

  

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28. "signing off for today: Last word - the past being the past DOESN'T..."
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stop now from being "now"


no matter what the Baseball union did in the past that made the baseball union so "strong" for so long....


no matter what the Football players union did since the 90's that caused it to get totally ripped up at every turn imaginable.....


What the players do NOW with their union is what THEY DO "NOW"


if the football players union NOW chooses to do things that "go nowhere," then that is what they are choosing to do NOW


okay?

  

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12. "Will the NFL fine the people working the cameras?"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd5Zi4pVwAUbHNo.jpg


No of course not. They are not the product that they want packaged and sold to white america.

  

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13. "So can they do something else?"
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Or is this going to be an evolving rule that changes in response to the latest thing?

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16. "I'm sure they can and will"
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and in the end we will probably not remember why this was started in the first place.

unfortunately

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24. "that ish already happened"
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the moment trump weighed in.. the only people who remember what this is about are the ones who will never forget... and they are all the choir to begin with... maybe I'm being cynical but I don't think so I think it just is what it is.

  

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14. "Christopher Johnson pledges not to force players to stand for anthem"
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/23/christopher-johnson-pledges-not-to-force-players-to-stand-for-anthem/

Christopher Johnson pledges not to force players to stand for anthem
Posted by Mike Florio on May 23, 2018, 2:55 PM EDT

On the anthem issue, Big Shield has a few cracks.

Apart from 49ers owner Jed York abstaining from the vote, Jets CEO Christopher Johnson has made it clear that he won’t punish players who violate the new mandate to “respect” the flag.

“I do not like imposing any club-specific rules,” Johnson said, via Bob Glauber of Newsday. “If somebody takes a knee, that fine will be borne by the organization, by me, not the players. I never want to put restrictions on the speech of our players. Do I prefer that they stand? Of course. But I understand if they felt the need to protest. There are some big, complicated issues that we’re all struggling with, and our players are on the front lines. I don’t want to come down on them like a ton of bricks, and I won’t. There will be no club fines or suspensions or any sort of repercussions. If the team gets fined, that’s just something I’ll have to bear.”

Making Johnson’s stance on this intensely political issue even more intriguing is the fact that he’s running the team solely because President Donald Trump made Johnson’s brother, Woody, the U.S. ambassador to the United Kingdom. Christopher’s stance, if it results in more protests, will eventually draw the ire of the New York native who currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

It remains to be seen whether the fines will increase with each violation, under the notion of progressive discipline that the NFL uses for violations of in-game safety rules. If so, it could get very expensive for Johnson and the Jets.

  

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18. "Doesn't his dad work for Trump?"
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21. "his brother"
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19. "the players better ban together"
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20. "won't happen....would've been done last year but....here we are"
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Coolin...

  

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22. "hoe-ass shit on behalf of those owners"
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James Harrison (fuck the Cheatriots) was 100% correct about Goodell

  

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29. "gon be like 12 muhfkrs on the sideline...erybody else in the locker room"
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30. "that would be something to see"
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31. "Conservatism is political AIDS."
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32. "NFL players union has made a statement"
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/23/opinions/nfl-owners-blew-it-on-national-anthem-terence-moore-opinion/index.html



“And why did the players union leadership proclaim during a statement that it would "challenge any aspect" of the new policy "that is inconsistent with the collective bargaining agreement"?”



so................


replies #23 and #25 allude to how weak the Football players union is (reply #25 talks of the union being "ripped to shreds" since the 90's)


so..........


The UNION LEADERSHIP has made a stand.......


uh.........


do you still want to assert that the union doesn't matter or DOES THE UNION HAVE TO DO WHAT A UNION SHOULD DO?


"oh, the union CAN'T do 'anything'"....is that what y'all want to claim?

  

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33. "LOL... they making statements"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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34. "If the union has no power, that's on them - they won't/can't follow thru"
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on them


but.....


why do you expect the players to have "something" in them to make some protest on the field if...........the players union has "nothing"?


Union has nothing

but...


the players are supposed to have "something" to make some on the field protests.


doesn't compute

  

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