https://www.stereogum.com/1997383/wynton-marsalis-says-rap-is-more-damaging-than-a-statue-of-robert-e-lee/news/

Wynton Marsalis is a trumpeter, composer, and Pulitzer Prizewinner. He’s also built himself a longtime reputation as a jazz purist, one who refuses to integrate music like avant-garde jazz or fusion into his work, which is otherwise immersed in the genre’s history. But Marsalis’ view of rap music is a whole lot darker than his ideas about whatever forms of jazz he doesn’t like, as The Washington Post reports.

Talking to Marsalis on his Post podcast, Jonathan Capehart asked about playing jazz during a time of massive racial unrest like what we’re seeing today. Marsalis responded that racism has less to do with the Charlottesville attack or even with Donald Trump’s election and more to do with “how we’ve lost our grip on our morality in the black community… using pornography and profanity and addressing ourselves in the lowest, most disrespectful form.”


Marsalis is, of course, talking broadly about rap music:

You can’t have a pipeline of filth be your default position, and it’s free. Now, the nation is entertained by that. It’s not free. Just like the toll the minstrel show took on black folks and on white folks. Now all this “nigga” this, “bitch” that, “ho” that, it’s just a fact at this point.

For me, it was not a default position in the ’80s. Now that it is the default position, how you like me now? You like what it’s yielding? Something is wrong with you, you need your head examined if you like this. It’s almost like adults left the room or something…

I do not like . And it doesn’t matter that I don’t like it. And I recognize that. But I’m from the Civil Rights movement. I was called a nigger. And I’m not talking about in my neighborhood, which of course that went on. I’m talking about, for me, I don’t like the fact of drums going away. I don’t mind the computers. They’re fine. But they can’t replace the people… There’s a movement now to drag public music education down into that? Pssh! It’s almost comical to me…

My words are not that powerful. I started saying in 1985 I don’t think we should have a music talking about niggas and bitches and hoes. It had no impact. I’ve said it. I’ve repeated it. I still repeat it. To me, that’s more damaging than a statue of Robert E. Lee…

I feel that that’s much more of a racial issue than taking Robert E. Lee’s statue down. There’s more niggas in that than there is in Robert E. Lee’s statue.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

He had some valid points, but he's always been a self-righteous dickhead who hates Hip-hop.

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Back again for the first time.

Fox News on line 1

so idk how he's back in the news w/ this.

<--- Big Baller World Order

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Most (if any) black people could care less about confederate statues until it is brought up in the news for some reason or another. It's background stuff that we don't recognize or give any real attention to around us because it isn't influencing or directing any part of our lives on a daily basis.

Now RAP music on the other hand is something I hear from black parents like myself that grew up on the genre and recognize the affect it has on our people and culture in very real ways...ways that are largely not thought to be positive.

So the statues are something I see as having a neutral impact overall unless it's the "story of the day" whereas I can talk to people about their kids and CONSTANTLY hear music as being a real concern for people just in how influential it is and the ideas propagated that parents don't agree with.

Red, Black, Green

that have ultimately led to the rap music that's being created today.

Aside from that, BS music is not all that's out there to listen to. There's enough fr everyone to get what they want.

So, if one is still waiting on the radio to play music that will uplift them and their clans, they are sadly mistaken and misled because it ain't gonna happen.

Fuck the statues...
Fuck Wynton Marsalis...
And fuck the horses they rode in on!

Jelani Cobb's Twitter thread on this...

It’s almost as if Wynton Marsalis doesn’t know anything about the habits of the men who created his beloved jazz.
10:31 AM - 22 May 2018

https://twitter.com/jelani9/status/998979668710739968

--- praying for peace, love, and power

not saying all rap is destructive but there is definitely a lot of smoke up, drink up, kill niggas and fuck bitches in rap songs

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>not saying all rap is destructive but there is definitely a
>lot of smoke up, drink up, kill niggas and fuck bitches in rap
>songs
>
>

Could those be the motivations behind some of the jazz we've heard even though they were instrumental tracks?

All that to say... Ain't shit new under the sun!

We been drinking, fucking, smoking, snorting, etc forever. Why is rap now to be the foil for all of these vices?

Sucks if you ask me because there are too many other quality options to just be caught up on the nonsense that is out there.

And today's trash is just a product of the shit those men, who are being commemorated on those statues, created.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

but you can't tell me a sax solo and "bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks" is one in the same.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Verbalizing is almost always going to be different than an instrumental.

But again, let's not get too far from the premise of the music being equal to, if not worse than, the statues.

Like I said, the music is a symptom of the shit those Confederate heroes helped usher into society and it's systems.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Seriously, any intellectual discussion could go that route and trace anything having to do with Black Americans to whatever oppressive past there is here in America, but to think that HE would liken his lyrics related to drug use to ANNNNYYYYYY of that is kinda ridiculous to me.

in fact, according to him, it's mostly about 1) it "being catchy" and 2) "boss talk"

https://rollingout.com/2016/01/18/future-addresses-heavy-drug-use-talk-lyrics/

Red, Black, Green

what the dude said.

That does not mean that the overall quality of the genre is not bad.

It means that the music, overall, is not worse than the statues.

As for Future being able to articulate that, I could not care any less. That's almost like asking the patient to diagnose their own illness.

Those so-called experts or scholars, such as Wynton, should be doing that.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

If you're saying that overall (as bad as some hip hop is) that music and it's influence is nowhere near the damaging influence of what the statues represent, then i'd have to agree. White supremacy and its shadow is cast further than today's hip hop and has ramifications that will linger on past our lifetimes.

I think the focus is on the everyday impact and damage that people see in front of them while moving through life as they know it.

I hike everyday up Stone Mountain here in GA among a literal "world of people" because the park is located near an internationally diverse community of refugees here in Atlanta. When asked by a reporter about the issue of the carving of confederate general and whether it should be removed, many were perplexed as to why. I'm talking people from around the world and locals alike. Hell, most black people going to the park, hiking up, taking their kids to the attractions don't really give a shit about it. *shrugs*

I could see it being so ingrained in our psyche that we don't think it's a thing that could even POSSIBLY change and have accepted it, but I think it's that people don't care so much today because unlike in the past, there aren't lynchings going along WITH the statues.

Red, Black, Green

>We been drinking, fucking, smoking, snorting, etc forever. Why
>is rap now to be the foil for all of these vices?

Even r&b to a point kinda mostly used innuendo. There's really no other genre of music that extols vice to the degree hip-hop does.

That being said, I think Wynton is overstating some things, but he ain't totally wrong.

EDIT: Then again I could be wrong because I vaguely remember reading somewhere that there are more drug references in contemporary country now than in hip-hop. Mmmm, I'll google it.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

I can't even enjoy them like I want to because I got kids now.

and country music has always been about drinking and smoking.. but now I'm hearing country with rapping. Shit is nuts.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

man, she could have had so much more of a career if she had laid some of that cussin' to the side.

And I agree. I don't really rock with sung cuss words in my r&b so much. Sung cuss words in rap hooks, sure, but can my cool out smooth music just be my cool out smooth music?
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

she was a cussin ass muthafucka

Even my cursin ass daddy woulda been like "damn, that bish curses too much"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>Even r&b to a point kinda mostly used innuendo. There's really
>no other genre of music that extols vice to the degree hip-hop
>does.
>

Death metal, metal ?

>That being said, I think Wynton is overstating some things,
>but he ain't totally wrong.
>
>EDIT: Then again I could be wrong because I vaguely remember
>reading somewhere that there are more drug references in
>contemporary country now than in hip-hop. Mmmm, I'll google
>it.
>

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With all respect to death metal and metal, the reach of that genre is <<<<<<<<< hip hop's.

I'm not that familiar with death metal though, and certainly don't hear it on your every day radio station.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

it all sounded like one note screaming to me...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

He plays Jazz and still is a deadbeat dad.

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and wrong. Rap didn't gather the alt wrong, Robert E Lee did.

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take your L, Wynton

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There are dozens of us! Dozens!

I mean it goes without saying that's it's not all rap music.

At least in the 80's and 90's the topics and messages varied a lot more in the mainstream.

Now it's guns, ho's, materialism, death 24/7 and being controlled by people outside of our community.

I still love hip hop and always will. I don't blame hip hop. But it's been in better shape and you can't just brush aside the influence that it has on the youth and their mentality.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

shit is real.

and you can't tell me some of these kids aren't going above and beyond due to their favorite rapper.

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at least the ones that cared to stay up on trends

from fubu -> throwbacks -> change clothes -> white tees
and then from there i was in college and everyone just wore sweats, pajamas and other lounge gear unless they were actually going somewhere.

i might be missing a few steps in there but thats how i remember it.

<--- Big Baller World Order

...don't even know it exists.

Meanwhile rap got little kids out here chanting about killing niggas, fucking bitches and hustling drugs.

and the parents think it's so cute.. smh.

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<--- Big Baller World Order

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

My ex teaches in Head Start. The stuff that she’s seen is unbelievable. Little butts twerkin’... little dudes thinking they’re thugs... lil shortays swinging on the poles at recess. These lil 3 and 4 year olds can recite these rap lyrics, but can spell their own damn name.

Yeah it’s time to reassess EVERYTHING!!!!!!

who think the videos their elementary school daughters are doing in bathrooms at home is appropriate... mouthing lyrics to shit even "I" would feel compelled to turn down the radio on if I was listening to in the car. kids mimic what they hear and do shit with far reaching consequences they can't even understand.

Red, Black, Green

You definitely can’t fault the kids because they don’t have the proper instruction and their parents are stupid.

I don't even think my 5 year old is old enough for Black Panther...yet she came home asking ME if i'd seen it! Apparently her classmates were talking about it.

Here's the rub:
#1 She's only 5.
#2 SHe's one of only 2 Black kids in her class.
#3 WTF takes their 5 year old to a Marvel movie???


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

https://tinyurl.com/yclbun3v

Red, Black, Green

it's an EXCELLENT movie...
but my daughter ain't seeing it any time soon fam.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

<--- Big Baller World Order

ills we're seeing now where the youth are just so desensitized to violence, death, gore, conflict, etc...that they have no accurate gauge to indicate right from wrong.

5 years old is WAY too young.
WAAAY....
Pisses me off that more parents don't see the problems staring them right in the face.

There's adult shit...and there's kids shit...
I can't think of a SINGLE recent marvel movies that could even remotely be considered appropriate for a 5 year old.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

but this also shows parenting is a big part of the problem.

that content shouldn't be for kids and either should most rap songs

I was at the playground the other day and a parent was talking about how she doesn't want to do daycare because of all the negative stuff they learn. then I see her light up a cigarette while pushing her kid on the swing... and how her 2 year old curses because of his daddy

WTF?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I dunno I think we were wired differently than these kids today. Marvel is no comparison to rap music in this present day and age. If you read Batman, Superman, Hulk, etc... there were violent scenes in those comic books. The problem is these parents give no instruction. As was stated these parents think that all this stuff that their kids do is okay. So these children will are going to go through life with these bad influences if someone with some sense doesn’t step in and show them a different way.

then props to you for being a genius....


>I dunno I think we were wired differently than these kids
>today.
Nah man, kids are kids...the only thing different is that they're being exposed to age inappropriate things on a regular basis which is in effect normalizing otherwise horrible shit.

>Marvel is no comparison to rap music in this present
>day and age. If you read Batman, Superman, Hulk, etc... there
>were violent scenes in those comic books.
Paper media vs. other types are processed completely differently though. When you're reading a comic book...it's pretty clear that it's fantasy & entertainment. Vs watching a 4K movie with surround sound and hyperrealistic graphics intertwined with real live action. A 5 year processes that differently. Same with music.

>The problem is
>these parents give no instruction.
True. But beyond that...there's shit you just don't need to be even exposing your kids to until they're at the appropriate age to process it...that's regardless of any amount of guidance or instruction the parent is capable of giving.

>As was stated these
>parents think that all this stuff that their kids do is okay.
>So these children will are going to go through life with these
>bad influences if someone with some sense doesn’t step in
>and show them a different way.

Of course. But step 1 is knowing the difference between age appropriate and not age appropriate.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

cause more than likely you weren't actually reading them and just flipped thru the pages.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Trust me I understood what I was reading. Fact of the matter is I knew what violence was. I knew that stuff was pure fantasy though.

I didn’t believe it then and I don’t believe it now.

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Coolin...

<--- Big Baller World Order

and it fucked me up and had me scared as hell at night time.

That shit ain’t healthy.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

He's been saying the same ting for decades. I can only imagine the arguments he and Branford got into over the years.

I bet Branford sent him a copy of Buckshot LeFonque for christmas....

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
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Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect.
Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

Yeah he might be off his rocker about views on other matters, but not about rap music.

Rap music was my first love growing up. I used to make every argument possible for the culture. These days there is NOTHING that you can say to support it (rap that is). Hip hop has many other facets to it and it is more than just rap music. Those that have loved or still do have to speak against what is being played today. The stuff that is on the radio and mainstream television has to be spoken against. That stuff simply should not be played on the radio or videos PERIOD.

that was literally the biggest thing on the planet and depicted positive models for Black people to emulate...

It'd never see the light of day.

What record company is supporting that? Even if successful, they'd think it was an anomaly. Zebras don't change their stripes. People like violence, sex, drugs...the drama of it all, the anti-establishment, the self-aggregation and narcissism. White people stereo-depict this on Black folx and Black folx eat it up as it's a means to escape poverty.

Here's an experiment...try to create that type of music and make it as big as Kendrick, Drake, Beyonce, Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, etc.

No N-words, no swearing, no violent, drug laden messages. Just love, life, conceptual depth on varying subjects.

I dream of the day but eh...

And then...there's personal accountability and the ability to separate reality from fantasy/entertainment. But, yeah...

In the words of someone's long standing sig:

I blame hip-hop

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shit...they curse. my bad.

Red, Black, Green

Those days are long gone.

I remember someone posted a conspiracy theory on here about the record industry going negative for obvious reasons and folks laughed it off.

Anyone around from the beginning tho, can definitely tell stories about the dramatic shift from fun and happy to dark and grimey.

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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

The closest thing we might have had to it in the 2000's was Outkast but even then, they still used n*gga, talked about sex, had the occasional gun/violence threat.

The only thing I agree with is that the messages/infatuations are too saturated. There's not enough variance highlighted even though there's tons of variance across the spectrum.

Execs love luxury, luxury is begat by being a king of industry, industry loves kids with disposable income, kids love trap, trap loves money, drugs, sex, violence. Rinse, wash, repeat.

Even a so called 'spiritual' rapper like Chance has to say "if one mo' label try to stop me, it's gonna be some dred head n*ggas in the lobby".

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Marsalis.

Judging by the reactions I'm seeing, alot of people must not know that he's been saying this same thing for 30 years.

What sticks out for me is that rap was much more narrowly coarse/vulgar/pornographic back then than it is now. It's like, what the hell was he complaining about in 1985? Wrt 2018, I'm basically with him. But back in the 80s? It was basically just NWA and Uncle Luke.

-less antagonistic edit, lol-

HEY, LETS SEE WHAT The KIDS ARE LISTENING TO TODAY:

Top Ten Rap songs according to Billboard This week

1)Childish Gambino – This Is America
2)Drake – Nice For What
3)Drake – God’s Plan
4)Post Malone Feat. Ty Dolla $ign – Psycho
5)BlockBoy JB Fea. Drake – Look Alive
6)Ella Mai – Boo’ed Up
7)Migos Feat. Drake – Walk It Talk It
8)Lil Dicky feat. Chris Brown – Freaky Friday
9)The Weeknd & Kendrick Lamar – Pray For Me
10)Post Malone Feat. 21 Savage – Rockstar

https://www.billboard.com/charts/r-b-hip-hop-songs

OBVIOUSLY IT’S THAT DRAKE MOTHERFUCKER TURNING THE KIDS INTO TWERKING ADDERAL CRACK FIENDS.

Its like, projection to the 10th degree as if people arw still walking around wearing snowmen t-shirts yelling g-unit. The perspective here is off.

I even feel fucking stupid having to type out this tired argument; high crime rate, prostitution, drug use were PREVAILENT before the rise of hip-hop. Wynton himself is playing a dangerous game of respectability politics because lord knows his idols in the jazz hay day were dropping ‘n-words, hustling drugs and engaging in various dubious behavior which is easily found out if you, I don’t know, read a book about the era (I suggest Miles Davis’s Autobiography since it’s quite Quincy Jones-esque in its tea spillage).

The thing is I feel that it’s as much of Wynton’s issue with the ‘lyrics’ as it is with the artform itself; he’s a virulent traditionalist and anything that differs from his narrow ass vision of ‘real’ jazz he continually derides. (Lord knows what he thinks of crews like The West Coast Get Down and the current resurgence Jazz in the mainstream.

Basically, like in Eddie to Cosby in Raw: he needs to have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up.

And y’all niggas that post on here and the lesson so many problematic artists over the years need to get over ya-selfs. Only Uta I give a pass cause he’s been pretty consistent. But using hip-hop as an example of what’s wrong inevitably leads to people ignoring systemic racism; us niggas switch to listening to bebop tomorrow ain’t gonna change cops shooting us, wage disparity, and blk women’s third world infant mortality rates

Was probably the MAIN reason I didn't drink or smoke ANYTHING until well into my 30's.

...but my first drink was Heineken because I saw Black Thought in an ad for it. *hangs head in shame*

Red, Black, Green

"Get ready....for your blessing....."

Even MY old ass know that the kids' playlists are waaaaaaaaay more trap heavy than what's reflected on that Billboard chart.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

>Even MY old ass know that the kids' playlists are waaaaaaaaay
>more trap heavy than what's reflected on that Billboard chart.
>
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."

Trap can be 2018 Kriss Kross Rae Srummurd or it can be Lil Pump singing about his girl do cocaine, even TRAP the current boogieman ain’t all bad.

Either way the idea that rap in 2018 is this more virulent strain than Dr. Dre’s Chronic which in 2018 sounds absolutely abhorent, even compared to trap (!!!!) but us old heads call ‘classic’, what can i tell ya

imagine if you had said this:

"Either way, the idea that homophobia in rap in 2018 is this more virulent strain than homophobia in Dr. Dre’s Chronic, which in 2018 sounds absolutely abhorrent even compared to trap but for us is ‘classic’ what can i tell ya?"


Do people not have the right to call out bad shit today even though that same bad shit was around in our music yesterday? The audience (Marsalis) making these statements are parents/adults/more mature versions of their 20 year old "gangsta rap" listening selves that wouldn't listen to old heads back then, just as the artists today have no problem with what they're doing. We keep kicking the can generation to generation. Gotta stop somewhere right? (or not)

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>"Either way, the idea that homophobia in rap in 2018 is this
>more virulent strain than homophobia in Dr. Dre’s Chronic,
>which in 2018 sounds absolutely abhorrent even compared to
>trap but for us is ‘classic’ what can i tell ya?"

Who made it uncool to casually call people fags in a song? Not us. HELL WE STARTED IT. The youth took a step back and course corrected, but we look at them as if they were the ones who’ve been pushing it when it was our genaration. Furthermore that example shows they’ve been better at it than us, more below

>
>Do people not have the right to call out bad shit today even
>though that same bad shit was around in our music yesterday?
>The audience (Marsalis) making these statements are
>parents/adults/more mature versions of their 20 year old
>"gangsta rap" listening selves that wouldn't listen to old
>heads back then, just as the artists today have no problem
>with what they're doing. We keep kicking the can generation to
>generation. Gotta stop somewhere right? (or not)
>

We don’t have the right to when we set those fires ourselves and we can’t relate because we aged out of that era. Thirty years ago Wynton was a grown ass man lecturing 19 and 20 year olds, he may have had the wisdom but he certainly didn’t have the cultural clout or understanding of their perspective.

2Chainz proposed to his fiance on the red carpet. The 2Chainz of our erA, classic Snoop, was bringing two women in dog collars along with a sambo-ing pimp to his red carpet events. The kids are SLOWLY fixing the fuckups we made, telling em to do better is more about us getting our old man rocks off now when we loved our Party and Bullshit.

We still suck, the kids suck less than us, give em their properz Uta!

Damn, I forget how some of that shit was back then. Like if I were to see some dog chains on women type shit now, I'd be thinking the same shit I do now "Please god don't let this shit still be around when my daughters get older".

I still and forever will hate mumble rap tho'

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but now that I’m a parent I definitely have a mixed feeling when it comes to rap music.

and it’s hilarious reading examples of Dre Chronic album to rap songs out today. That’s kinda the point dude is making. We’ve been hearing about bitches, hoes, niggas killing niggas for a loooong time.

Most of my life.

I know all rap isn’t bad and even the “bad” rap has positive messages within it. It’s still entertainment and I wonder if Wynton watches movies with violence and Black people calling each other nigga....

but he isn’t 100% wrong.

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Aside from cherry-picked the Billboard list from LAST WEEK, instead of a larger sample set like the entirety of 2017.

The rest seems like classic Ad Hominems (ridicule and insults) and Poisoning the Well (attack Wynton instead of what he said).

Throw in a few more Ad Hominems, just for good measure.

IM THE DON DADDA OF THIS OKP SHIT.


This nigga Wynton went in on hip-hop TODAY, if your ass wants the top hip-hop of 2017 because somehow you think it was just so much worse a year ago, guess what nigga…

https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2017/hot-r-and-and-b-hip-hop-songs

1)Bruno Mars – That’s What I Like (R&B, disqualified)
2)Kendrick Lamar – Humble (YUR RIGHT, GANGSTA RAP)
3)DJ Khaled – Im The One (YUR RIGHT, GANGSTA RAP)
4)Migos – Bad and Bougie (now we getting there!)
5)French Montana – Unforgettable (no, we are not L getting there )
6) Post Malone – Congratulations (lolz, white people)
7)Future – Mask Off (finally a solid example. Shit goes tho, yall mumble rap haters can’t front on this, that sample? WOOO. Too bad its not Christian rap)
8)Dj Khaled – Wild Thoughts (Damn, that niggas…err arab is literally spreading his evil gospel of not guns and drugs, just partying and shit. Shame on a fat nigga)
9)Lil Uzi Vert – XO TOUR LIFE (Emo rap is worse for the youth than gangsta rap!)
10)Cardi B – Bodak Yellow (lol, well ya wouldda hated it cause she’s a woman anyway).

LOOK AT THE HIVE OF HIP-HOP VILLIANY ABOVE. Y’all don’t even listen to rap in 2018 and trying to cast stones at the youth, meanwhile y’all were dry humping to Kurupt’s verse in XXXPlosive. Popular hip-hop in 2018 is more socially concious in 2018 than 1998, FACTS. Kendrick’s the biggest rap star in the world, when y’all niggas couldnt even make Common go gold most of the time, “The Youth of today...” *shakes head* ass negros!

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Coolin...

LOL! ALL the way dead!

Red, Black, Green

>This nigga Wynton went in on hip-hop TODAY


>ACTS. Kendrick’s the biggest
>rap star in the world, when y’all niggas couldnt even make
>Common go gold most of the time, “The Youth of today...”
>*shakes head* ass negros!

Word. In the grand scheme, rap today is probably less negative than at the height of the Golden Era.

Plus, fuck Wynton. I hate his perspective on Jazz. Ol' suit-wearing, wanna-be Miles/Trane, stuck-in-the 50s/60s-ass dude.

>Plus, fuck Wynton. I hate his perspective on Jazz. Ol'
>suit-wearing, wanna-be Miles/Trane, stuck-in-the 50s/60s-ass
>dude.
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If he was a part time preacher or something I wouldn’t go as hard even tho this is boredom. But its just him being the same stick in the mud he’s always been

The idea that music makes crime/vice is really rich coming from a guy who's a jazz artist.
Essentially he's justifying all those vice busts in jazz clubs in the 20s - 60s

shit stupid as hell

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but we love lazy arguments

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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is dumb, stupid, silly, and y'all should stop doing it. At the most, the stuff from the 20's that you all are referring to was infused with double entendre and was basically light-hearted and naughty. Furthermore, that style of jazz was basically over by 1930. Almost no jazz after 1930 involved any innuendo. I mean, most of the genre is instrumental anyway, so only a fraction of the music has lyrics.

The rap of today is super explicit and most of it is not lighthearted at all. It's heavy, sad, depressed, violent music. In alot of ways, today's rap accurately reflects the dark abyss so many Black people find themselves in, and for that reason I don't judge, even though I dislike most of it and have no use for it.

Our culture has always been labeled as being "deficient" leading to moral decay yada yada. So nothing new. He's just among a long list of jokers who have been on what we call "respectability politics" that Black folks been subjected to since we got here. That's the point.

The sad, silly part is for Marsalis to act as though the reflection of the conditions that folks find themselves (i.e.; rap music...even if it seems to revel in those conditions at times) is looked to be a proximal cause of those conditions. More proximal than, say, a country that isn't honest about its history relating to how it treated Black folks; even though that history informs how we are treated today.

No, Lee doesn't directly affect us. Yet, this narrative (pushed by Sons/ Daughters of Confederate Veterans) that the Confederacy and the Civil War (symbolized by all these statues of Lee) was some noble cause. Totally ignoring the horrors of Slavery. Totally ignoring that once confederates got in positions of power, they halted Reconstruction efforts and trampled on the human rights of Black folks. Acting like that stuff didn't happen is more harmful than any song encouraging girls to twerk (cause in a couple generations people won't be clutching their pearls over the idea...sucks to be a conservative, I guess).

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I probably could have stated that a bit more clearly, but I believe I was basically clear enough.

seemed like a weird position to take given our conservative / puritan background. I thought you were miffed at folks comparing today's jazz with 20s jazz...mea culpa

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>The rap of today is super explicit and most of it is not
>lighthearted at all. It's heavy, sad, depressed, violent
>music.

Super explicit, yes, not lighthearted? C'mon dog, Drake is the #1 dude, Cardi B ain't depressing to listen to at all, Rae Sremmurd, Amine, Dram, Lil Yahty, Lil Uzi Vert...none of these acts just slam the public with dark, depressed music.

Most current hiphop is about: sex, money, partying and drugs with sprinkles of violent threats laced in-between.

Right now:

https://www.billboard.com/charts/rap-song

Most of the songs in the top 20 are lighthearted party songs. You got some political statements (This is America...which is still upbeat and playful, KOD) and some obvious dance tracks (I like it, Nice for What, Chun-Li, Stir Fry, Powerglide).

In alot of ways, today's rap accurately reflects the
>dark abyss so many Black people find themselves in, and for
>that reason I don't judge, even though I dislike most of it
>and have no use for it.

Yeah, I have a feeling that since you dislike most of it, you don't listen so your assessment is very off base for that reason.

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Aside from Drake and Cardi, I don't hear basically anything lighthearted there.

People will say thats different tho.

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