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"Trump to withdraw from the Iran Deal"


          

This is the most dangerous thing Trump has done since becoming President. The Iran Deal was a masterfully negotiated piece of diplomacy and this - in effect - will lead us into military conflict with Iran - which is what Bolton, the neocon lobby, and Netanyahu have wanted for 20 years.

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This can't be real, he was supposed to be Donald The Dove © NYT
May 08th 2018
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This man is shitting all over the world out of spite
May 08th 2018
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Yeah, we're all going to die
May 08th 2018
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This is what people aren't talking about enough
May 08th 2018
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      This is the risk you take by governing through executive action
May 08th 2018
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      Which nobody will ever get
May 08th 2018
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      This right here is spot-on:
May 08th 2018
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      We have lost our dignity, our respect, and our reliability as a partner
May 08th 2018
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           Yeah, was just talking to a friend about this last week
May 08th 2018
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                for real. The great irony of our time is this:
May 08th 2018
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                     While we're withdrawing further and further
May 08th 2018
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                          RE: While we're withdrawing further and further
May 08th 2018
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Hasn't he been saying he was gonna do this for a while now?
May 08th 2018
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would it be safe to say this was a part of his campaign promise
May 08th 2018
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if obama aint do shit...how u reversing everything?
May 08th 2018
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but. her emails
May 08th 2018
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She was also in bed w/ Saudi Arabia & Israel
May 08th 2018
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      I didn't love her foreign policy at all
May 08th 2018
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      RE: I didn't love her foreign policy at all
May 08th 2018
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           She DID work for the Obama administration
May 08th 2018
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           https://goo.gl/TouAjc
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           Yes the first term Administration.
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                But again, would a President Clinton rip up the Iran deal?
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                     No - I don't believe she would have.
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                          That's dope
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                          LOL, a real scientist?
May 08th 2018
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                               Who's the childish one, again?
May 08th 2018
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           So it's Bernie or nothing?
May 08th 2018
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                Not at all - Clinton would've been a far superior President to Trump.
May 08th 2018
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      ^^this kind of shit is why we're here
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      Exactly right. Had the DNC supported the true Progressive
May 08th 2018
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      lol. I almost had a PTSD episode
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           lol
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      Jesus fucking christ.
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      Oh how I've missed my favorite alt-news troll.
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           This place was so much better without your childish delusions.
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                It's good to see you, too.
May 08th 2018
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      Again, no way she would have backed out of the deal.
May 08th 2018
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      how can you fit bernie's dick in your mouth along w/ lebron's?
May 09th 2018
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lol at Trump using the word peace in his justification
May 08th 2018
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Again, for the record: We will go to war with Iran
May 08th 2018
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This summer will be rough.
May 09th 2018
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part of his platform, repubs are cool with it bcs war brings cash
May 08th 2018
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from undergrad i was taught that war stimulates the economy
May 08th 2018
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You are looking at the macro-economy. Look at the business level
May 08th 2018
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military industrial complex stocks up, Boeing down
May 08th 2018
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RE: part of his platform, repubs are cool with it bcs war brings cash
May 08th 2018
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Obama issues (rare) statement; destroys Trump on JCPOA
May 08th 2018
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EU Foreign Policy Chief: Deal Will Remain Valid Regardless of U.S.
May 09th 2018
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That was October 2017. This is now
May 09th 2018
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      Yes - what's interesting is that the signatories to the deal anticipated...
May 09th 2018
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Israel engages in airstrikes against Iran targets in Damascus
May 09th 2018
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1. "This can't be real, he was supposed to be Donald The Dove © NYT"
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But at least in giving us a brand spanking new armed conflict in the Middle East our children will still be dealing with decades from now he got to stick it to the black guy, America is BACK.

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2. "This man is shitting all over the world out of spite"
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and his base is ok with it.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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3. "Yeah, we're all going to die"
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How does he think we're going to re-negotiate this? What's North Korea incentive to now negotiate with us? What's any country's incentive to negotiate anything with us?

Shithead doesn't like Obama, so we all have to suffer.

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5. "This is what people aren't talking about enough"
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>What's any country's incentive to negotiate anything with us?

If you're the UK/Germany/Japan/anyone, why would you enter into any agreement with the US going forward? There's zero reason to believe this country has any credibility or will honor any future agreements.

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9. "This is the risk you take by governing through executive action"
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Obama kind of had to use the "pen and the phone" to try to get things done because Congress was uncooperative.

But the downside is that the policies made by the executive branch are not durable. As quickly as they are put in place, they can be taken away.

If I were negotiating with the US (North Korea for example), there's no way I'd settle for anything less than a Congress approved agreement

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13. "Which nobody will ever get"
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>If I were negotiating with the US (North Korea for example),
>there's no way I'd settle for anything less than a Congress
>approved agreement

Just skip this and get to the part where we have to reinvent our country as a constitutional monarchy or a protectorate of China or whatever the next phase is.

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11. "This right here is spot-on:"
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>>There's zero reason to believe this country has any credibility or will honor any future agreements.<<

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16. "We have lost our dignity, our respect, and our reliability as a partner"
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First we jumped ship from the Paris Treaty - and now this? Yea - we can't be trusted. Our European allies are now rallying to stay the course and keep the Iran Deal intact - and good for them. Germany, France & the UK have to take the lead now. We are incompetent and wholly corrupted by special interests.

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21. "Yeah, was just talking to a friend about this last week"
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It's well past time for this country to not be looked at as anything resembling a leader on the world stage. China's probably better equipped to handle this shit anyway, they can actually bring some credibility to negotiations with North Korea, aren't as connected to Israel and didn't already meddle in every single Latin American country. Sure they give zero fucks about human rights, but what would that change?

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27. "for real. The great irony of our time is this:"
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China - the great Red State of communist past - is more equipped to institute progress on the world-stage when it comes to being a leader in a globalist, open-market world economy. It's really unbelievable to fathom.


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37. "While we're withdrawing further and further"
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China somehow wound up winning the Cold War 30 years after we thought we did.

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46. "RE: While we're withdrawing further and further"
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>China somehow wound up winning the Cold War 30 years after we
>thought we did.

The trajectory of world history isn't without its sense of irony.

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4. "Hasn't he been saying he was gonna do this for a while now?"
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6. "would it be safe to say this was a part of his campaign promise "
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to dismantle everything our previous president- Mr. Barack Obama did.

this was a promise to 45's constituency, no?

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7. "if obama aint do shit...how u reversing everything? "
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8. "but. her emails "
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15. "She was also in bed w/ Saudi Arabia & Israel"
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so it's not as if she would've been better on this issue.

Bernie on the other hand? Only Senator to vote against the Iraq war - and has always had prophetic and wise insight on foreign policy.

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17. "I didn't love her foreign policy at all"
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But let's not act like she would have ripped up the signature foreign policy accomplishment of the administration she worked in. This was something the GOP tried to sabatoge all throughout the negotiations and ran on getting rid of (President Rubio/Cruz/Jeb all agreed with Trump on this during the campaign.) This is not the issue to bring out a "no real difference between the parties on" stuff out.

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20. "RE: I didn't love her foreign policy at all"
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>But let's not act like she would have ripped up the signature
>foreign policy accomplishment of the administration she worked
>in.

Correction: She didn't work in the administration that achieved this historic diplomatic feat. Kerry did. She didn't want to warm relations with Iran. Remember: It was Clinton who lobbied hard and ultimately influenced the decision to intervene in Libya and murder Gadaffi - resulting in utter chaos via failed regime-change (a monumental foreign policy blunder that was cited by Obama as his biggest regret/failure as President). She wanted the same thing in Syria - she voted and advocated for the same thing in Iraq at the time. Her record is clear on this: she's been tragically wrong and Neo-Con-like in her foreign policy prescriptions.

Would she have been a better President than Trump? Of course - but that's not exactly the kind of standard we aim to set here.




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28. "She DID work for the Obama administration"
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Even if it wasn't during the negotiations for this. Wasn't trying to imply she was SoS at the time, but she essentially campaigned for a third Obama term. And what does her position on Libya have to do with the Iran deal (that again, she campaigned on keeping?) Clinton and Sanders both pretty much campaigned on Obama's foreign policy in 2016, so I'm not sure why we're certain this still would have happened regardless.

This isn't something motivated by recent events (like Libya or even Afghanistan,) it's something Trump's been yelling about for years, specifically because he doesn't like the guy who got credit for it. Even if Clinton had put forward a more hawkish SoS, I really don't see "completely dissolves a major international agreement with nothing else in place for spite" as something that would have happened.

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30. "https://goo.gl/TouAjc"
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33. "Yes the first term Administration. "
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Not the one that negotiated the deal.

>Even if it wasn't during the negotiations for this. Wasn't
>trying to imply she was SoS at the time, but she essentially
>campaigned for a third Obama term. And what does her position
>on Libya have to do with the Iran deal (that again, she
>campaigned on keeping?) Clinton and Sanders both pretty much
>campaigned on Obama's foreign policy in 2016, so I'm not sure
>why we're certain this still would have happened regardless.

There were very real differences on foreign policy between them. Do you not remember Clinton praising Kissinger (a neocon who enshrined regime-change, military solutions as the primary goal of foreign policy) and Sanders calling her out - which resulted in a robust discussion where Clinton defended our intervention in Latin America and the Mid-East while Sanders (correctly) diagnosed the deficiencies of our Foreign Policy Establishment? Very real differences between them.



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38. "But again, would a President Clinton rip up the Iran deal?"
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And if so, what makes you think that aside from residual 2016 primary anger?

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40. "No - I don't believe she would have."
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She's a far more savvy and intelligent person than Trump. But I don't just conveniently forget her record on foreign policy (which has been abysmal). She issued stern warnings to Iran throughout her campaign and may have found other ways to recede Obama's warming relations with Iran. Also - while Obama distanced himself from Israel and Saudi Arabia (bravely so) - Clinton was poised to repair those unsavory alliances much like we're seeing now.

But no - I don't believe she would've walked out of the Iran Deal.

Also - I'm not angry about the primary - we've moved on and should be focused on the mid-terms. I actually am the Chapter President of my state for Brand New Congress and working to get a scientist elected to my congressional district. What is Clinton doing?

We have to learn from the errors of the past. The DNC now admits that they were unfair in the 2016 primary - let's learn from it and make sure it never happens again.


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41. "That's dope"
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>Also - I'm not angry about the primary - we've moved on and
>should be focused on the mid-terms. I actually am the Chapter
>President of my state for Brand New Congress and working to
>get a scientist elected to my congressional district.

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44. "LOL, a real scientist?"
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Or someone who sells quantum-mechanical healing treatments?


>Also - I'm not angry about the primary - we've moved on and
>should be focused on the mid-terms. I actually am the Chapter
>President of my state for Brand New Congress and working to
>get a scientist elected to my congressional district. What is
>Clinton doing?

Have you seen how people react when she says makes public statements? Is she supposed to fight for the resistance, or is she supposed to "move on"?


>We have to learn from the errors of the past. The DNC now
>admits that they were unfair in the 2016 primary - let's learn
>from it and make sure it never happens again.

I don't know what you think anyone has "admitted", but nothing was unfair. The states ran a fair primary, and your guy lost, because he didn't have enough support even in the Democratic party.

  

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45. "Who's the childish one, again?"
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Note that you're still hurling around sophomoric snark, and once again refusing to engage in productive dialogue in favor of doing what you do best: trolling

But I will answer one of your questions: The candidate was appointed by our state's Senator and serves on the Task Force that is investigating the rhabdomyosarcoma and pleuropulmonary blastoma double pediatric cancer cluster that she identified and reported in 2014 in our local water supply.

She introduced three bills that were signed into law in 2017 - including a House Bill which established a commission on the cancer cluster investigation to study long-term goals and requirements for our drinking water.

Oh, and she also was/is a *gasp!* -- Bernie Sanders supporter and an active member on his steering committee! OMGz a Bernie bro (i mean Bernie sis!). The horror!

(Still waiting for your scientific contributions to this forum, by the way. It'd be nice for you to share something beyond your adept ability to snark & troll w/ the best of them.)




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31. "So it's Bernie or nothing?"
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>Would she have been a better President than Trump? Of course
>- but that's not exactly the kind of standard we aim to set
>here.

Putting aside the fact that Bernie would have been a bad President, and your ridiculous assumption that he even could have won the general election. Even putting aside all that...

You STILL, today of all days, do you still not see how a President who is "better than Trump" would have been a good thing?

  

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34. "Not at all - Clinton would've been a far superior President to Trump."
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I've always said that. Nothing new there.

She just wouldn't have been as good as Bernie - who was the rightful heir to Obama's Progressive achievements and would've taken the baton and ran with in on a myriad of issues/achievements (from Healthcare to infrastructure/energy policy - to education and foreign policy).

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19. "^^this kind of shit is why we're here"
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22. "Exactly right. Had the DNC supported the true Progressive"
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He would've wiped the floor w/ Trump.

Instead - they conspired to allow the inferior candidate to emerge - and she predictably got trounced in a historic upset - which has led us to this egregious low-point in American history.


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23. "lol. I almost had a PTSD episode"
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43. "lol"
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24. "Jesus fucking christ."
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25. "Oh how I've missed my favorite alt-news troll."
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35. "This place was so much better without your childish delusions."
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36. "It's good to see you, too."
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39. "Again, no way she would have backed out of the deal."
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48. "how can you fit bernie's dick in your mouth along w/ lebron's?"
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are you a snake?

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10. "lol at Trump using the word peace in his justification"
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also all these right-wing phoneys crying about how Obama was weak and showed no leadership on the international stage, well your champ has basically been applying the Saudi+Israeli worldview, while the rest of the world cycles through mockery, scorn and fear at the unreliability. Cool times we live in

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12. "Again, for the record: We will go to war with Iran"
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You thought gas @ $4.50 a gallon was bad during the Dubya era?

When we get into another recession due to gas @ $6 a gallon
45 will send out a blame Obama tweet and buy up all kinds of properties at fire sale prices

  

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49. "This summer will be rough."
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Gas prices typically increase in the summer anyway; gotta wonder how ugly the gas prices will get in a month or two.

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14. "part of his platform, repubs are cool with it bcs war brings cash"
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but i don't think we'll be going to actual full invasion

a lot of other countries have their hands in the "i wanna fuck with Iran" pot

so most likely israel, saudi, US and a few other countries will be down for air strikes

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18. "from undergrad i was taught that war stimulates the economy "
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last check in on the unemployment rate ( which we all know was inherited due to Mr. Obama ) is low and the economy is healthy.

so i cant see that as being a reason.

im sure there profit margins are in the crosshairs tho'

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26. "You are looking at the macro-economy. Look at the business level"
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If you are a defense contractor, what does the overall unemployment rate have to do with you?

It's a simple equation.
War = more business

>last check in on the unemployment rate ( which we all know
>was inherited due to Mr. Obama ) is low and the economy is
>healthy.
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>so i cant see that as being a reason.
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>im sure there profit margins are in the crosshairs tho'

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32. "military industrial complex stocks up, Boeing down"
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Northrop Grunman, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, L3 are all up following 45's announcement

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3353915-u-s-defense-stocks-rise-iran-deal-exit-firms-fear-lost-deals

Boeing is down since they were negotiating sales to upgrade Iran Air's fleet

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/08/iran-deal-fallout-boeing-may-lose-20-billion-in-aircraft-deals.html

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29. "RE: part of his platform, repubs are cool with it bcs war brings cash"
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>but i don't think we'll be going to actual full invasion
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>a lot of other countries have their hands in the "i wanna fuck
>with Iran" pot
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>so most likely israel, saudi, US and a few other countries
>will be down for air strikes

This has been a simmering plot for decades (since the late 90's) - it's now come to a boil and reaching a crescendo of danger that is terrifying. I have faith that our Western allies will steer the ship in our absence - but it's going to test the the resolve of long-standing alliances.

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42. "Obama issues (rare) statement; destroys Trump on JCPOA"
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/08/a-serious-mistake-read-obamas-statement-on-trumps-decision-to-pull-out-of-iran-deal.html

Statement from President Barack Obama on the JCPOA
There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That’s why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.

The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America’s interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran’s nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.

That is why today’s announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America’s closest allies, and an agreement that our country’s leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America’s credibility, and puts us at odds with the world’s major powers.

Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it’s important to review several facts about the JCPOA.

First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.

Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran’s nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran’s nuclear program and achieved real results.

Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran’s nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.

Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won’t happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.

Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that’s precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran’s destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.

Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America’s own security; and trigger an arms race in the world’s most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran’s nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.

In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe.

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47. "EU Foreign Policy Chief: Deal Will Remain Valid Regardless of U.S."
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50. "That was October 2017. This is now"
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“Of course there’s uncertainty over the next steps, but most probably Trump will get his way,” Norbert Roettgen, chairman of the German Bundestag’s foreign affairs committee, told Der Spiegel magazine. “We have nothing to offer Iran in return.”

To save the deal, the Europeans will need to ensure that Iran still gets enough economic benefit to stick with it. That, however, would mean securing protection from U.S. sanctions for European companies wanting to invest in the Islamic Republic, and it isn’t yet clear how that can be done.


“The Europeans clearly are desperate to keep the deal alive,” said Steven Hurst, author of an upcoming book on U.S. efforts to contain Iran’s nuclear program, and a reader in politics at the U.K.’s Manchester University. “But they really are stuck in the middle here.”

Companies are worried they could lose U.S. business by trading with Iran, according to the German-Iranian Chamber of Commerce, or DIHK.

With few options immediately available, European officials may have to rely on seeking case-by-case exemptions from Washington as the most realistic path to save the biggest investments in Iran -- if not the nuclear deal itself.

“The extra-territoriality of U.S. sanctions makes the U.S. the economic policeman of the planet, and that is not acceptable,” French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on France Culture radio on Wednesday. He said he would talk to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin this week to ask how European companies can be shielded.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-09/stuck-between-trump-and-iran-eu-lacks-plan-to-save-nuclear-deal

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51. "Yes - what's interesting is that the signatories to the deal anticipated..."
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The E3 are standing firm to adhere to the deal - realizing that Iran is in compliance (according to IAEA findings as well). Rouhaini rebuked Trump's claims and stated that he will consult with the other partners (UK, France, Germany, Russia, China) before making a decision as to their course of action.

Will be interesting to see how they decide to proceed.

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52. "Israel engages in airstrikes against Iran targets in Damascus"
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Iran allegedly engages in rocket-fire in the Golan Heights.

We're just one day removed from Trump walking out of the JCPOA.

buckle up - it's bout to get ugly.

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