"Right looks outside for new allies, Left looks within for new enemies." Wed May-02-18 09:52 AM by Jon
I feel this is the main thing keeping right-wing politics in the game, and stunting left-wingers from dominating and getting big things done for humanity.
The Right focuses on their goals, while the Left is always looking for a new pariah to have a collective hissy fit over.
1. "Are you going to try and fit actual principles in here?" In response to Reply # 0
Or just pretend politics is, like, sports but important?
Because it's a pretty needless analysis that doesn't consider the possibility that some people actually believe in things and want to gain political power in order to help people.
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17. "in a perfect world yes." In response to Reply # 1
but politics *is* a sport. anyone who doesnt recognize it at this point is a liability.
repubs win because they play as team (and cheat). its that simple. they could personally hate a candidates guts, know he is corrupt, etc. but they still vote that r as long as the candidate is carrying ideological water for the squad. they know the only way they survive socially is to galvanize politically.
and if dems/liberals/progressives/indies continue to hold their own to much higher standards and abandon them over micro policy positions or generally minor personality affectations, then we will stay fractured and continue to lose.
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3. "Shaq trash? What he do? " In response to Reply # 2
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
5. "This is what I'm talking about tho" In response to Reply # 2
More concerned with memberships and sorting entire human beings in good and bad boxes, than actual goals and being ready to work with anyone anytime goals align.
Instead of pushing and scheming for things we want, like the right does, we spend all our energy gossipping and sorting ppl.
18. "it's not that I want to box people" In response to Reply # 5
I just find it funny that the collective 'we'/society is really riding this 'accountability' wave hard. Is there NOT a 'forgiveness' component? When is THAT wave gonna come, where we call out people's bull$hit but also recognize when they are/have made strides that either help us progress or at least not be an embarassment to our community/diminish our social currency.
You have a professional golfer who CLEARLY appears to be B/black, drop the 'cablinasian' bomb vs. the (former) head of a chapter of the NAACP who was CLEARLY W/white who is DYING to be black and now is braiding hair for a living.
That $hit don't make sense to me - the vitriol being spewed at Rachel-cuzz has had it's time. Now give her a job somewhere, let her teach black kida art..I dont give a fuck.
Tiger Woods can't teach anybody anything AFAIC.
If 'race is a social construct that white capitalists created' blah blah...cool. Let's handle shit based on that.
I'm not trying to forgive R. Kelly/Bill cause that $hit is reprehensible on a HUMAN level and exponentially so because black women were victims (moreso Kellz than Cos, but nevertheless).
But I'm not tripping off Issa Rae's (blk wmn + azn men) bullshit, or Ye's bull$hit, or about ostracizing other blk people over little $hit that - if people were to try and be more objective - you could actually wrap your head around.
Sometimes your ally doesn't look like you. I'm all for inclusion, some people are 'toxic' and some just have a 'runny nose' that'll clear up over time.
26. "RE: it's not that I want to box people" In response to Reply # 18
^^ fax
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29. "oh ok, maybe i misunderstood you then, because " In response to Reply # 18
pretty much everything you said here is basically how i feel and what i'm driving at...and i like your runny nose metaphor lol
>I just find it funny that the collective 'we'/society is >really riding this 'accountability' wave hard. Is there NOT a >'forgiveness' component? When is THAT wave gonna come, where >we call out people's bull$hit but also recognize when they >are/have made strides that either help us progress or at least >not be an embarassment to our community/diminish our social >currency. > >You have a professional golfer who CLEARLY appears to be >B/black, drop the 'cablinasian' bomb vs. the (former) head of >a chapter of the NAACP who was CLEARLY W/white who is DYING to >be black and now is braiding hair for a living. > >That $hit don't make sense to me - the vitriol being spewed at >Rachel-cuzz has had it's time. Now give her a job somewhere, >let her teach black kids art..I dont give a fuck. > >Tiger Woods can't teach anybody anything AFAIC. > >If 'race is a social construct that white capitalists created' >blah blah...cool. Let's handle shit based on that. > >I'm not trying to forgive R. Kelly/Bill cause that $hit is >reprehensible on a HUMAN level and exponentially so because >black women were victims (moreso Kellz than Cos, but >nevertheless). > >But I'm not tripping off Issa Rae's (blk wmn + azn men) >bullshit, or Ye's bull$hit, or about ostracizing other blk >people over little $hit that - if people were to try and be >more objective - you could actually wrap your head around. > >Sometimes your ally doesn't look like you. I'm all for >inclusion, some people are 'toxic' and some just have a 'runny >nose' that'll clear up over time. > >
"That $hit don't make sense to me - the vitriol being spewed at Rachel-cuzz has had it's time. Now give her a job somewhere, let her teach black kida art..I dont give a fuck."
Give Rachel Dolezal another chance huh. What could go wrong ?
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43. "Right? Of all the people in the world this is who gets his empathy?" In response to Reply # 33
That woman is batty as fuck too.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
54. "Dave Chappelle on Emmett Till: " In response to Reply # 43
"and on stepping back and after thinking about it for a few moments I realized that it must have been very difficult this woman to tell a truth that heinous about herself at ANY point in her life...even the very end.
And I was grateful that she had the courage to tell it before she left this world, because it's an important truth..and we needed to know. And I said to myself 'thank you for telling the truth you lying-ass bitch'.
"...you realize that this woman lied..and that lie caused a murder. BUT that murder set in motion a sequence of events that made my wonderful life possible..."
Maybe Rachel Dolezal is the lie that unites us, my nxgga.
> >"...you realize that this woman lied..and that lie caused a >murder. BUT that murder set in motion a sequence of events >that made my wonderful life possible..." > >Maybe Rachel Dolezal is the lie that unites us, my nxgga.
9. "The right has been/continues to be a front for white nationalist patriar..." In response to Reply # 0 Wed May-02-18 10:11 AM by MEAT
And the more they entrench their power via rigged elections/districts/courts/judiciaries the more they shed off any need to faux inclusion
That they can persuade anyone that the right has their best interests in mind or that they have any good ideas worth digging through their shit sandwich of toxic ideology is a testament more to dumb people thinking they're smarter than they actually are, than anything else.
Even trying to compare the right to the left does a disservice to intellectual thought because they're not coequal schools of thought or government or culture.
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30. "Its ''we agree on apples, so when its apple time, we cooperate''" In response to Reply # 14 Wed May-02-18 03:35 PM by Jon
Meanwhile the left is like "Don't think just because we agree on oranges, bananas, artichokes, green beans, and carrots, that we're gonna be *allies* like we can't see that some of your peppers are moldy"
35. "Some of the shit people are willing to compromise on is literally life o..." In response to Reply # 30 Wed May-02-18 04:22 PM by MEAT
People say be open to the anti abortion types ... that's literally a life or death situation to many people DACA, policing, funding for social services, and on and on. Those that aren't in the margins are safe to say let's find middle ground. While MANY without a voice are holding on by a thread.
Amazon right now is holding off on expanding jobs until the city council holds off on using a tax to fund schools. The absolute wealthiest of us are corroding society and the future. And many of us that feel we should compromise don't know how close to the margins we are.
------ “There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus
36. "Its so hard for lefties to grasp that they can actually" In response to Reply # 35
work with Tommy to save a drowning child on Monday, shoot down Tommy's request for a laser-guided bazooka license on Tuesday, vote against Tommy's proposal to pollute the drinking water on Wednesday, rally support for Tommy's efforts to house the homeless on Thursday, and buy some haddock from Tommy's family-owned seafood stand on Friday.
The right seems to grasp this so much better than the left, who are more concerned with putting ppl in either the good or bad pile, and struggle with the old concept of separating the person from the position, or the sin from the sinner.
11. "pretty much historical fact at this point." In response to Reply # 0
while the left will attack a lefty for not supporting medicare for all, not using the most cutting edge prefix/pronoun, not being the perfect 2018 social liberal back in 2010...
the right is leaving welcome mats out for criminals, pedophiles, racists, disgruntled defectors...anyone willing to wear the jersey.
we find ways to choke ourselves out while they find ways to breathe new life.
16. "You act like conservatives aren't being tossed aside for being RINOS?" In response to Reply # 11 Wed May-02-18 10:24 AM by PimpTrickGangstaClik
John McCain is the one of the most hated Republicans. Jeff Flake and Bob Corker have to fall back because they aren't extreme enough and they don't stand a chance in their primaries
There are some GOP primaries going on that are nasty as hell. An extremist on one side challenging a "standard" conservative on the other. And the extremists are surging
19. "and repubs will vote for their next successor in lockstep." In response to Reply # 16 Wed May-02-18 10:39 AM by Reeq
moderate repub politicians have been getting steadily pushed out of the party over the last decade. this has also been their most dominant cycle since the great depression.
which highlights my point.
because moderate repub *voters* still closed ranks and voted for more extreme candidates who still rocked that r. because its still better to them than voting for a dem.
meanwhile some dem voters stay home or throw away meaningless third party votes because a dem is too centrist or 'neoliberal' on like 2 issues.
i dont see how anyone can dispute this especially after 2016.
24. "I think you are imagining this. Democrats are just as lock step" In response to Reply # 19
Maybe more so.
Especially if you look only at 2016. You think it was leftist wing of the democratic party that voted for Gary Johnson and gave him 4.5 million votes (3.2% of the total? Jill Stein (the alt for Dems, I guess) received just 1.4 million (1% of the total).
Clinton received as many votes as Obama 2012. So did they really stay home?
What specifically about 2016 are you talking about.
22. "Eh. This is myopic. " In response to Reply # 11
It's not as if they're growing or winning by numbers. The left isn't down on numbers. They've won by gaming and entrenching an already rigged system. There's little that more numbers or better candidates can do about that wholesale.
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23. "Looking for new allies is kicking the moderates out ?" In response to Reply # 0
The tea party kicking out Republicans who were not crazy enough, is not looking for enemies within ?
>I feel this is the main thing keeping right-wing politics in >the game, and stunting left-wingers from dominating and >getting big things done for humanity. >
So it wasn't the cheating that was already mentioned or leaning on racism and changing the rules, keeping right wing politics in the game, it's the focus on goals. Like the way they are accomplishing so much with the three branches of govt they control.
>The Right focuses on their goals, while the Left is always >looking for a new pariah to have a collective hissy fit over. > >
No hissy fit from the right over Boehner when he was speaker or Paul Ryan now before he retires. Everyone is happy and accepted on the right as they work together.
40. "agreed to a point. the left eats its own, but so does the right" In response to Reply # 0
Even when Obama was in office, talk radio would spend as much time shitting on McConnel and Ryan as they did Obama, for their lack of 'conservative principles'. They're quick to not claim and shit on aforementioned RINOs. Lifelong republicans like Comey and Mueller are now deep state liberals, and now the former litmus test of conservative purity is really now just how much you are willing to defend Trump. Even the talk radio assholes have fallen in line on this. Guys like Mark Levin will criticize Trump, but are careful not to too hard out of fear the trumpians will turn on him. Or even look at Steve Bannon. NOBODY followed that fool out the door.
The right might jump anyone in who hates liberals, or Hillary, or is sick of PC shit, but right now their stay comes down to Trump.
48. "The left right now is looking for character and integrity" In response to Reply # 0
And a way to avoid political violence. The left is trying to avoid having liars, bullies, and cheats destroy what's left of our sanity. You can see from all of these people giving Kanye a pass or just mocking his absurd statements with irony and satire that we are looking to keep laughing through his lies and not violently attack him for disrespecting us.
and a lot of super progressives aren't truly Dems..
they are like Libertarians or whatever they are called. They have no allegiance. They will sit out or vote 3d party.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
the extremes get the coverage but rarely is the mass population THAT extreme
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53. "Both are pretty bought and paid for. Right is a lot more direct in it's" In response to Reply # 0
goals, cuz the racist/religious bent makes blind loyalty easier. So they're much more aggressive. The left establishment sells itself as not-the-Right, so they don't meet the needs of the left voters. Hence they end up playing defense against their own people.
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