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MEAT
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""An overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer.""


  

          

Today I read an excerpt on why the AR-15 is so deadly. The headline doesn't do justice to how stomach turning this made me feel.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/

Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim's body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and they do not bleed to death before being transported to our care at a trauma center, chances are, we can save the victim. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different; they travel at higher velocity and are far more lethal. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than, and imparting more than three times the energy of, a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun.

The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat travelling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.

With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky.

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designed for mass murder. to kill alot of people in a little bit of time
Feb 22nd 2018
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^^^they don't do anything else.
Feb 22nd 2018
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same thing that makes .50 cals so destructive
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RE: same thing that makes .50 cals so destructive
Feb 22nd 2018
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I haven't read the full article
Feb 22nd 2018
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"You rang?" https://i.imgur.com/qAu6wCo.jpg
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no
Feb 22nd 2018
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What's the link.
Feb 22nd 2018
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      Fruit smashing extraordinaire, Ghallager.
Feb 22nd 2018
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           was that intentional? Because...damn.
Feb 22nd 2018
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"Well the Founding Fathers gave us the 2nd amendment...."
Feb 22nd 2018
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I bought an AR-15, not because of the gubbment
Feb 22nd 2018
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Four times in the past decade, a federal appeals court has ruled that a ...
Feb 22nd 2018
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back when they created the 2nd amendment, muhfuckas had muskets
Feb 22nd 2018
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obviously, this is a political ad, but it speaks to the point (VIDEO)
Feb 22nd 2018
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RE: the 2nd amendment
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The same with literally every centerfire rifle, period.
Feb 22nd 2018
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I wish more people believed in civilization
Feb 22nd 2018
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      Isn't "education" a big part of civilization?
Feb 22nd 2018
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           no, learning about weapons is not a big part of civilization
Feb 22nd 2018
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Also, "assault rifles" are already banned.
Feb 22nd 2018
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When those little kids got killed
Feb 22nd 2018
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RE: When those little kids got killed
Feb 22nd 2018
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Those for gun restrictions, what does restrictions mean to you?
Feb 22nd 2018
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RE: Those for gun restrictions, what does restrictions mean to you?
Feb 22nd 2018
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      Ah thanks. I guess I missed that day of OKP
Feb 22nd 2018
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SooperEgo
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1. "designed for mass murder. to kill alot of people in a little bit of time"
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shit has no place anywhere other than the battle field

  

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26. "^^^they don't do anything else."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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2. "same thing that makes .50 cals so destructive"
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HIGH velocity and cavitation.

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MEAT
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7. "RE: same thing that makes .50 cals so destructive"
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/opinion/virginia-baseball-shooting-gun-shot-wounds.html?referer=https://duckduckgo.com/

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3. "I haven't read the full article"
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but based on that included section there, the AR-15 doesn't sound conducive to hunting at all since it sounds as if the meat would be ruined by just a single bullet.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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4. ""You rang?" https://i.imgur.com/qAu6wCo.jpg"
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https://i.imgur.com/qAu6wCo.jpg

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5. "no"
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6. "What's the link. "
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10. "Fruit smashing extraordinaire, Ghallager. "
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or however its spelled.

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21. "was that intentional? Because...damn. "
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8. ""Well the Founding Fathers gave us the 2nd amendment....""
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"blah... blah... blah..."

I hate that we even have to discuss this... I hate that I know plenty of people who felt the need to go buy an AR-15 in the past couple years because "the government is trying to take all of our guns..." I hate Fox News' Founding Fathers argument... The 2nd amendment wasn't written with AR-15s in mind...

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9. "I bought an AR-15, not because of the gubbment"
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But because all the white people keep buying them, not gonna catch me out there with a knife in the inevitable gun fight.

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MEAT
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11. "Four times in the past decade, a federal appeals court has ruled that a ..."
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Four times in the past decade, a federal appeals court has ruled that a ban on assault weapons was permissible under the Second Amendment. In fact, no federal appeals court has ever held that assault weapons are protected.


https://t.co/DGfwPijV6t <---- washingtonpost link twitter referral.

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12. "back when they created the 2nd amendment, muhfuckas had muskets"
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imagine walking into a room full of people with a fuckin musket. how many people you killin before they stompin the shit outta you? 1?

  

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20. "obviously, this is a political ad, but it speaks to the point (VIDEO)"
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Thu Feb-22-18 03:26 PM by PROMO

  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LORVfnFtcH0

what's key to even notice is that, in this acted out scenario, the shooter didn't even hit the guy which wasn't uncommon with muskets even from that distance if the musket didn't have rifling in the barrel.

  

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22. "RE: the 2nd amendment"
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Thu Feb-22-18 03:54 PM by bentagain

  

          

I can't get around this

How is the 2nd amendment interpreted as protecting individual/private gun ownership

It doesn't say guns, it says arms

Obviously there are restrictions on the types of weapons the public can purchase; hand grenades, rocket launchers, apache helicopters, etc...

It doesn't say individual, it say militia

As in a group of people

The idea that a group of armed citizens would overthrow our government, if deemed unjust, in an armed confrontation is f'n stupid.

But I just can't get to individual gun ownership based on the wording of the 2nd amendment

Anybody want to break it down for me?

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13. "The same with literally every centerfire rifle, period."
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A .308 or 7.62x39 both are much more powerful than .223/556. Brown, wood stocked rifles are usually chambered for these tho, so they aren't as "scary" I guess.

I wish people were more educated about firearms.

  

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16. "I wish more people believed in civilization"
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>I wish people were more educated about firearms.

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24. "Isn't "education" a big part of civilization?"
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Thu Feb-22-18 04:31 PM by flipnile

          

Or nah?


No snark at you bruh. I'm talking about people that are passionate about gun control actually educating themselves about what it is they seek to control. Once one actually understands how firearms work, it becomes clear what can and can't effectively be "banned."

One major reason is that it's hard to take uninformed opinions seriously. Saying something like "ban assault weapons" falls flat because assault weapons have been banned in the US since WW2 or so.

The SBRs are really very scary, apparently.

  

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25. "no, learning about weapons is not a big part of civilization"
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MLB: Mets / Soccer: PSG
NCAA BB: Arizona / NCAA FB: Michigan
NBA: Spurs / NFL: Jets

  

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14. "Also, "assault rifles" are already banned."
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You can't buy a select fire rifle in the US unless it's a C&R gun.

  

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15. "When those little kids got killed"
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My pops was explaining this to me - I can only imagine how awful that crime scene was.

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17. "RE: When those little kids got killed"
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Noah Pozner, 6, was one of the 20 child victims in the Sandy Hook shooting in Newtown, Conn., on Dec. 14. All the dead were shot between three and 11 times. Tiny Noah took 11 bullets. His mother, Veronique, insisted on an open coffin, Naomi Zeveloff reported in the Jewish Daily Forward.

You’ll probably remember Noah. He was a happy little guy with beautiful heavily lashed eyes and a cheerful smile. In his coffin, there was a cloth placed over the lower part of his face.

“There was no mouth left,” his mother told the Forward. “His jaw was blown away.”

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2013/01/22/mallick_why_newtown_victim_noah_pozner_had_an_open_coffin.html

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18. "Those for gun restrictions, what does restrictions mean to you?"
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Is it based on firing speed/capacity?
No hanguns/pistols?
No fire arms at all?



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19. "RE: Those for gun restrictions, what does restrictions mean to you?"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13235569&mesg_id=13235569&listing_type=search

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23. "Ah thanks. I guess I missed that day of OKP"
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