15 plus back Murder Inc was happening and Irv Gotti was fadeable. and remember Ashnati was the last new 21rst century big time female Artist before Beyonce and Ja Rule was on his game.

what were the pros and what were the cons to Murder Ince?

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

Cons: Everything else.

NY knew that Ja Rule music was trash
but supported it anyway because it was NY

Cons: Everything else. The Inc was one of the worst wackest trash ass moments in Hip Hop history

>Cons: Everything else. The Inc was one of the worst wackest
>trash ass moments in Hip Hop history


i kept my mouth shut though. I knew folks woulnt hear me out.

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Unlike Pac, dude had zero charisma and was even more limited on the mic

i look back on the hits fondly. just cause Ja was killing w/ soft shit doesnt mean the hits didnt jam.

<--- Big Baller World Order

one of my fav lines ever

NY didn't have enough young talent to match the South's output at the time. Having said that, it's a shame that no one even attempted to push the Outkast (Dungeon Family) sound forward. Most of the South tried to be the next TI or the next Lil Jon.

It wasn't like the fans were tired of Outkast either......they (Andre) just stopped. Even Idlewild went platinum.
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I can remember the underground heads back in the late '90s complaining about Bad Boy "destroying hip hop." Even NYC rappers who were "keeping it real" were spitting lyrics that poked at Bad Boy, but now folks want to act as if NYC was still churning out nothing but classics until the south started getting more and more popular. Once Bad Boy started getting more popular, a lot of cats started watering down their sound by trying to capture the same Bad Boy magic.

Besides Bad Boy, when Swizz Beats became popular from his production on "Vol. 2, Hard Knock Life" and "It's Dark and Hell is Hot," every NY hip hop producer who was chasing money and fame all of a sudden dropped the MPCs and got on the Korg Triton or whatever and started inundating us with those corny, one fingered keyboard beats. The Neptunes blowing up didn't help to quell the non playing producers with those cheesy keyboard club beats. The late, late '90s and the early half of the aughts were some of THEE WORST years in mainstream hip hop and that era had a heavy contribution from NYC.

Once in a blue, I will revisit albums from that era just to see if my hatred of that era was due to me preferring the underground back then, only to still find myself hating a lot of the "hits" and attempts at hits. There are trap songs in this day and age that I would easily pick over a grip of those early 2000s songs. Cats can miss me with the south bashing as if NY didn't have a huge hand in destroying their own classic sound.



Since 1976

I couldn't understand then, and still don't understand now how people took that clown seriously.

in the early 00s

just a rumor though.

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cons: not taken seriously

Cons: music was trash and Ja screaming was annoying as fuck.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

NYC hip hop was pretty trash around that time. I think the Black Star album was the only thing I was feeling from NY. Everything else was some SuperBallerNYCPlayerThug bullshit. Wack-ass beats too. Cornball dudes talking about chains and ice and burberry and other dumb shit.

Mad rappers went to private and/or catholic schools
came from well off families, some religious
lived in nice parts of town
Never saw a minute of jail

Then fronted on some thug/killer/drug dealer shit on records

But Ja is the only one who got called out on it?
and his career was DOA as a result
not to mention, once the inc got on they were backed by an actual thug/killer/dealer (Supreme, who "allegedly" provided the seed money)
and that still didn't save Ja Rule

Don't think he was the only one tho. A few dudes got put on blast (like Mobb Deep).

it's bold as hell for a C.O to take the name and persona of an actual living breathing major trafficker and build an entire career out of it

That's on one hand

On the other hand he really is MC Gusto, a major violation and damm if his beats are nothing short of the best I've ever heard

It's sad in the end that such incredible music is wasted on the same I'M A BAWSE shit over and over

so respect can never be had

The pros, they're not on top anymore, so we don't have to hear Ja Rule's screechy crooning.



Since 1976

no other artists good enough take the reigns.


Cons: Didn't do much of anything memorable compared to its late-1990's early 2000's competition.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown