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Is anyone clamoring for a Monique special like that?
Jan 19th 2018
1
Nah.
Jan 19th 2018
2
gotdamn monique.. you ain't popping like that.
Jan 19th 2018
3
yeah, she shoulda played this game better.
Jan 19th 2018
5
Done
Jan 19th 2018
4
straight to the boycott though?
Jan 19th 2018
6
LOL! ..... Bye monique.
Jan 19th 2018
7
Now we see why she can’t keep a gig.
Jan 19th 2018
10
Not helping her cause at all with this.....
Jan 19th 2018
8
go home monique.
Jan 19th 2018
9
buena suerte.
Jan 19th 2018
11
"You know how much Ted Danson makes?!" - George Costanza
Jan 19th 2018
12
^^^ Underrated Reply
Jan 21st 2018
83
How does this even work? Who is checking for her like this?
Jan 19th 2018
13
Bless her heart.
Jan 19th 2018
14
You frazy? Good as muh fuggin Dark and Gomorrah is??
Jan 19th 2018
15
I got a music placement on Gomorrah, btw
Jan 21st 2018
103
      good for you, yo...continued success
Jan 21st 2018
107
      NICE!!!! I'll make sure to take note of it!
Jan 22nd 2018
151
      congrats!
Jan 22nd 2018
156
      Nice! They have some dope ass beats on that show.
Jan 22nd 2018
272
Does anybody think the pay difference for her and Schumer is ridic tho?
Jan 20th 2018
16
Its ridic, but it reflects their popularities
Jan 20th 2018
17
Not really. She won an award for Precious right?
Jan 20th 2018
18
is an oscar for a supporting role in a dramatic film 10 years ago
Jan 20th 2018
20
Bang bang bang
Jan 20th 2018
22
Did anybody say the award was relevant in comedy negotiations?
Jan 20th 2018
42
for playing into a stereotype a la 'Training Day'/'Monster's Ball'
Jan 22nd 2018
176
      Yes, I enjoy her stand up.
Jan 24th 2018
can she get $500k+ somewhere else?
Jan 20th 2018
19
RE: can she get $500k+ somewhere else?
Jan 20th 2018
26
she put everybody in a bind
Jan 20th 2018
21
Ain’t no one in a bind over this.
Jan 20th 2018
27
      I am not suggesting that you are emotionally disturbed in your
Jan 22nd 2018
145
           ><
Jan 22nd 2018
147
Schumer popping. Nobody has thought about Monique since precious
Jan 20th 2018
25
How much money do Monique's shows generate?
Jan 20th 2018
28
Nope its 2017.
Jan 20th 2018
35
nah, its not ridic.
Jan 20th 2018
38
Look at their Instagram 'bers (Her and Amy)
Jan 26th 2018
327
As much as I think she has a right to call out that pay disparity
Jan 20th 2018
23
She should be grateful that Netflix was willing to offer her anything
Jan 20th 2018
24
right? 500k is a lick
Jan 21st 2018
45
Yes, after watching the Sway interview, it's clear he fcked up from jump...
Jan 22nd 2018
150
She Should Fire Her Manager
Jan 20th 2018
29
Huh? I bet her manager is mad as shit at her for this
Jan 20th 2018
31
Equal pay compared to who?
Jan 20th 2018
32
her husband is her manager. explains a lot.
Jan 20th 2018
33
      Oh, well yeah.. if that’s the case.
Jan 20th 2018
34
           her husband is not helping her
Jan 20th 2018
40
Girl bye!
Jan 20th 2018
30
*searches for 2017-8 Mo'Nique sets on youtube* <------
Jan 20th 2018
36
Monique breaks it down on Sway
Jan 20th 2018
37
So whats the problem?
Jan 20th 2018
39
The problem
Jan 21st 2018
51
      No we all listened to her reasons lol nobody agrees
Jan 21st 2018
101
           Well coming from the person who said
Jan 21st 2018
105
Really hate how she's bringing Dave and Chris in this
Jan 20th 2018
41
Netflix brought Dave and Chris into it
Jan 21st 2018
48
      That’s Hollywood talk
Jan 21st 2018
52
           Nah it's netflix so white talk
Jan 21st 2018
55
                she is getting paid less than chris rock and dave chappelle.
Jan 21st 2018
65
                     What ?
Jan 21st 2018
67
                          'netflix so white'
Jan 21st 2018
73
                               Take your pick
Jan 21st 2018
82
she aint break shit down but her hurt feelings.
Jan 21st 2018
44
You like Schumer so it's no surprise you would dismiss what
Jan 21st 2018
46
      im probably one of the biggest schumer haters on here
Jan 21st 2018
75
Meh, Chris or Dave could sell out MSG right now if they want.
Jan 21st 2018
47
Ask Netflix
Jan 21st 2018
49
      Not all legends are equal in legendary status.
Jan 21st 2018
50
           Even if they are not equal in "legendary status"
Jan 21st 2018
53
           when kreayshawn was 'hot' and all over radio? yes.
Jan 21st 2018
54
                LOL no
Jan 21st 2018
56
                     fam you just proved my point.
Jan 21st 2018
61
                          Nah you missing the big picture
Jan 21st 2018
66
                               fam all of this is easily explainable.
Jan 21st 2018
79
                                    Nah that doesn't work
Jan 21st 2018
84
           RE: Not all legends are equal in legendary status.
Jan 21st 2018
58
                Exactly
Jan 21st 2018
59
                Ain’t nobody caping for Amy.
Jan 21st 2018
60
                what hit show did monique have? what was her big comedy special?
Jan 21st 2018
62
                RE: what hit show did monique have? what was her big comedy special?
Jan 21st 2018
77
                ah so you cant name any.
Jan 21st 2018
80
                     RE: ah so you cant name any.
Jan 21st 2018
94
                          Speak on it murph
Jan 21st 2018
96
                          a sitcom that ended 15 years ago?
Jan 21st 2018
106
                im pretty sure her last tour got cancelled for low sales
Jan 22nd 2018
190
                     Yeah. I vaguely remember this too.
Jan 22nd 2018
234
                We live in the era of 'likes'
Jan 22nd 2018
207
Thank you for posting this. I don't think I would have really understood
Jan 21st 2018
113
You're welcome
Jan 22nd 2018
170
Not 100% with all her logic, but I do like where she questions...
Jan 21st 2018
143
      I can understand that.
Jan 22nd 2018
181
Apparently Wanda Sykes was offered less than half of 500k....
Jan 21st 2018
43
RE: Apparently Wanda Sykes was offered less than half of 500k....
Jan 21st 2018
57
and she promptly took her services to epix and got paid.
Jan 21st 2018
104
https://www.facebook.com/TheEarlyBirdnation/videos/941087436039399/
Jan 21st 2018
63
if netflix gave monique a special would any of yall go watch it? lol
Jan 21st 2018
64
I would
Jan 21st 2018
68
Monique's husband^^
Jan 21st 2018
69
      lol
Jan 21st 2018
70
      ^^^^^^ Amy Schumer lapdog
Jan 21st 2018
72
fuck no this aint 2003
Jan 21st 2018
76
I would, just to see if it was funny, Chris Tucker's Netflixer...no
Jan 22nd 2018
155
So, what would have been a fair offer for Mo'Nique then?
Jan 21st 2018
71
what is the last thing people tuned into to see monique?
Jan 21st 2018
74
Almost Christmas
Jan 22nd 2018
241
never.
Jan 22nd 2018
258
RE: So, what would have been a fair offer for Mo'Nique then?
Jan 21st 2018
78
why would they offer her $2 or $3 mil tho?
Jan 21st 2018
81
      bro, I'm honestly waiting...
Jan 21st 2018
85
      exactly! i think most of us fuck with monique.
Jan 21st 2018
89
      RE: why would they offer her $2 or $3 mil tho?
Jan 21st 2018
86
      breh, he's CHRIS TUCKER, doe...
Jan 21st 2018
87
      if Tucker is worth 2m, 500k is exactly right for her
Jan 21st 2018
90
      RE: if Tucker is worth 2m, 500k is exactly right for her
Jan 21st 2018
91
           #87
Jan 21st 2018
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      where did you see that chris tucker got $2 mil for his special?
Jan 21st 2018
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           RE: where did you see that chris tucker got $2 mil for his special?
Jan 21st 2018
95
           To this day folks are still asking for Chris to be in another.....
Jan 21st 2018
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           RE: where did you see that chris tucker got $2 mil for his special?
Jan 21st 2018
98
                lol ok man lol.
Jan 21st 2018
99
      RE: why would they offer her $2 or $3 mil tho?
Jan 21st 2018
97
           If Schumer can negotiate $11mil to trip over her laces or whatever
Jan 21st 2018
112
depends on what some of the *not* Rock/Chappelle/Schumer comedians make
Jan 21st 2018
88
Do you think she deserves as much as Maron, Rogan, Ari Shaffir or Segura...
Jan 21st 2018
102
      i don't know where she falls within that
Jan 21st 2018
134
      It 1000% matters how active you are
Jan 22nd 2018
197
      ^^^This is a really good question
Jan 21st 2018
136
at least $1mil so it would be $500thou after taxes, but what is
Jan 21st 2018
109
RE: So, what would have been a fair offer for Mo'Nique then?
Jan 21st 2018
110
If social media following is such an important metric, how was Nicole
Jan 21st 2018
111
      RE: If social media following is such an important metric, how was Nicol...
Jan 21st 2018
114
           Fair enough, but still - even if we were to compare Mo'Nique's resume
Jan 21st 2018
116
           RE: Fair enough, but still - even if we were to compare Mo'Nique's resum...
Jan 21st 2018
121
                Ok fine. According to you guys, resumes don't count. Awards don't
Jan 21st 2018
124
           Not to mention Nicole Kidman been a superstar lol
Jan 21st 2018
118
                And why do you think Mo'Nique is not also "well-respected"? Despite
Jan 21st 2018
122
                     RE: And why do you think Mo'Nique is not also "well-respected"? Despite
Jan 21st 2018
126
                     If 1 movie and an ok sitcom are enough for Chappelle and Rock to
Jan 21st 2018
128
                          Answer one question
Jan 21st 2018
130
                          Of course Schumer did/probably would. That's not where I'm coming
Jan 21st 2018
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                               I feel you, but I'm not using MSG as an indicator of overall career
Jan 21st 2018
140
                          RE: If 1 movie and an ok sitcom are enough for Chappelle and Rock to
Jan 21st 2018
137
                               *kanye shrugs*
Jan 21st 2018
139
                     Lion (2016) Kidman, Oscar nom for best supporting acctress
Jan 22nd 2018
144
                          "Stop it you look fucking silly as fuck"..?? Wth do you think YOU are
Jan 22nd 2018
146
                               That was OD as hell, good on you calling that moron out
Jan 22nd 2018
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                               Lmao oh feelings are hurt now on message board
Jan 22nd 2018
160
                                    but, he wasn't the one you said it to, man...
Jan 22nd 2018
199
                                         Right? We want the last women on here to grow pairs now?
Jan 22nd 2018
273
                               Be sure to add him to the list of clowns to ignore.
Jan 22nd 2018
224
She should get paid what the market can bear.
Jan 22nd 2018
167
I'm with Mo'Nique. I felt that Sway interview in my soul yall.
Jan 21st 2018
108
Chappelle left the game white-hot, with people salivating for scraps
Jan 21st 2018
115
I disagree.
Jan 21st 2018
117
      Youcan disagree but you are wrong lol
Jan 21st 2018
119
      What information did I reference that is not factual? Don't put words
Jan 21st 2018
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      Those criticisms don't apply, at all, and I noteId some of the glaring r...
Jan 21st 2018
125
Dave didn't get a fat contract as soon as he came back.
Jan 21st 2018
120
This is a fair criticism, for sure. Though it does seem that Mo'Nique ha...
Jan 21st 2018
131
RE: This is a fair criticism, for sure. Though it does seem that Mo'Niqu...
Jan 21st 2018
142
      :)
Jan 22nd 2018
148
right. I remember that time when he was doing 6 and 8 hour sets
Jan 22nd 2018
215
You are patient
Jan 21st 2018
123
Lol!
Jan 21st 2018
133
      I don't blame you. lol
Jan 21st 2018
135
You definitely posted this with your soul and not your brain
Jan 21st 2018
129
:/
Jan 21st 2018
132
how many Mo'Nique jokes do you reference with friends?
Jan 22nd 2018
204
The most I can remember from Monique is that she is brash.
Jan 24th 2018
285
I HATE SKINNY BITCHES!!! That shit will always be funny to me.
Jan 25th 2018
301
This is fair and makes sense.
Jan 22nd 2018
231
Most decorated comedian alive? That didn't sound quite right
Jan 21st 2018
141
i don’t support the way she’s been doing things...
Jan 22nd 2018
152
I'm a fan but not when she does stuff like this
Jan 22nd 2018
153
I agree with you 100%
Jan 22nd 2018
154
Schumer's not that great either...she's no funnier than Monique IMO
Jan 22nd 2018
157
      Any Schumer is trash but she white
Jan 22nd 2018
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      I’m not here to debate personal opinions....
Jan 22nd 2018
159
      I don't think it's unfair...see post 162, it's fair
Jan 22nd 2018
169
      Black folk now say other Black folk are using the race card?
Jan 22nd 2018
171
           I can't believe I read that.
Jan 22nd 2018
187
                Outside the bunker fam
Jan 22nd 2018
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      Schumer is trash...Nique is dated
Jan 22nd 2018
163
           I agree...see my post below though...#'s make it worse.
Jan 22nd 2018
166
           that 5 mil keeps getting thrown around
Jan 22nd 2018
193
                he posted it on her IG...i didn't hear it was a joke
Jan 22nd 2018
200
Such intellectual dishonesty in this post w/ Monique being a victim
Jan 22nd 2018
161
right...
Jan 22nd 2018
165
I'm not boycotting...but I'm with Monique on this one
Jan 22nd 2018
162
I agree with you, and I feel like most folks' outrage is at the whole
Jan 22nd 2018
168
Basically...and she seems happy to be independent
Jan 22nd 2018
174
if you were with her...you’d boycott lol
Jan 22nd 2018
172
lmao.. nah. I want her to get back in the game
Jan 22nd 2018
175
I support her stance, not her approach
Jan 22nd 2018
178
      in your example...
Jan 22nd 2018
182
           Like I said, she's handling it all wrong but her stance is spot on
Jan 22nd 2018
188
pretty much
Jan 22nd 2018
180
Race card, playing the victim
Jan 22nd 2018
164
It cuts both ways
Jan 22nd 2018
177
      Do you agree, she is playing the race card ?
Jan 22nd 2018
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           the race card is some shit white folks use
Jan 22nd 2018
186
           Exactly
Jan 22nd 2018
189
           see that’s some monique shit...
Jan 22nd 2018
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           You talking to me or did you post in the wrong spot ?
Jan 22nd 2018
195
                I say it because of who she mentioned in her petition...
Jan 22nd 2018
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                     You can when her and Wanda are offered peanuts
Jan 22nd 2018
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                     do a poll...
Jan 22nd 2018
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                          Ehh... the white people I know would definitely go see her in concert
Jan 22nd 2018
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                          ^^^^^
Jan 23rd 2018
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                     Yes you can
Jan 22nd 2018
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                          Especially when it comes to Black women in comedy
Jan 22nd 2018
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                               It's second time someone said it in this thread
Jan 22nd 2018
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                                    Obama was president. Racism is over
Jan 22nd 2018
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                                         Thurgood Marshall was on the Supreme Court . Racism ended back then
Jan 22nd 2018
252
           Not what I was saying
Jan 22nd 2018
198
                You said it cuts both ways so I'm asking if
Jan 22nd 2018
220
                     Answer me this. Was race and gender the only reason she got that offer?
Jan 22nd 2018
249
                          I don't believe it has to be the only reason.
Jan 22nd 2018
261
                               Fair enough
Jan 22nd 2018
266
                                    Indeed
Jan 22nd 2018
274
while I aint' boycotting.. I still think Monique is funny as fuck
Jan 22nd 2018
173
same..
Jan 22nd 2018
179
We thoroughly enjoyed Almost Christmas. I'd forgotten how much I
Jan 22nd 2018
183
yes, that shit was funny
Jan 22nd 2018
184
Yep
Jan 22nd 2018
192
RE: while I aint' boycotting.. I still think Monique is funny as fuck
Jan 22nd 2018
194
      Does her weight/looks play a part?
Jan 22nd 2018
203
      RE: Does her weight/looks play a part?
Jan 22nd 2018
238
      this...their marketshare is awful
Jan 23rd 2018
275
smh
Jan 22nd 2018
196
She should get paid what the market will bear.
Jan 22nd 2018
201
Louis CK route? Smh
Jan 22nd 2018
205
So you don't want her to produce her own special and indepedently
Jan 22nd 2018
212
      I’m saying Monique is already established.
Jan 22nd 2018
226
Netflix came to her, she didn't go to them.
Jan 22nd 2018
216
      Ok. Not sure what that changes.
Jan 22nd 2018
223
           It's not like she was actively out shopping a stand up special and is
Jan 22nd 2018
225
Bad fucking business skills.
Jan 22nd 2018
206
The Wanda Sykes offer kinda changes my opinion
Jan 22nd 2018
209
Did Schumer get over? I heard her special wasn’t that good
Jan 22nd 2018
211
funny or not though, she didn't get over.
Jan 22nd 2018
263
      I know she got what she negotiated but did Netflix recoup?
Jan 22nd 2018
268
Mo'Nique is funnier than Wanda. .... My left shoe is funnier than Wanda.
Jan 22nd 2018
219
or maybe it's that neither of them are poppin
Jan 22nd 2018
222
      You love white girls tho.. jk
Jan 22nd 2018
227
Watching her on Sway paints a bigger picture....Netflix is on some B.S.....
Jan 22nd 2018
217
She says she only made $50k for 'Precious'
Jan 22nd 2018
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      Nah, she explained that in the Sway interview.... She owns that L
Jan 22nd 2018
221
      Precious was an indie flick. She prolly messed up
Jan 22nd 2018
230
      She did. She touched on that in the Sway interview. She'd agreed to $50K
Jan 22nd 2018
240
           Yeah. That’s tricky.
Jan 22nd 2018
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           This is a common occurence...
Jan 22nd 2018
245
                yup and james earl jones settled for $7k strictly front end lol.
Jan 22nd 2018
247
                     Damn!
Jan 22nd 2018
255
                          i believe he renegotiated on the next 2 star wars flicks.
Jan 22nd 2018
257
      she signed a front end contract. those were the terms.
Jan 22nd 2018
244
      But she had a "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" moment afterwards
Jan 22nd 2018
265
Neither Wanda nor Mo'Nique pull that type of clientele
Jan 22nd 2018
228
How much would Tiffany Haddish command right now?
Jan 22nd 2018
229
RE: How much would Tiffany Haddish command right now?
Jan 22nd 2018
235
3 to 5 mill
Jan 22nd 2018
243
hard to say, what is her profile internationally?
Jan 22nd 2018
246
she did a showtime special last summer like a month after girls trip.
Jan 22nd 2018
250
See, those are points that I didn't even consider. n/m
Jan 22nd 2018
256
      and really, no one has all the data except netflix and they aren't shari...
Jan 30th 2018
331
I gotta say...something is "off" about her.....
Jan 22nd 2018
248
yeah she a little off.
Jan 22nd 2018
260
What’s this based on? Not sure I like this comment
Jan 22nd 2018
269
      What sealed it for me was the grapefruit scene in Girls Trip...
Jan 23rd 2018
277
           that was dumb, but it didn't make me think...
Jan 24th 2018
291
           nah b.. I think that's a terrible reason
Jan 25th 2018
302
iono but she better hurry and strike while the iron is hot lol.
Jan 22nd 2018
251
6-7
Jan 22nd 2018
253
^^^This
Jan 22nd 2018
267
EXACTLY.
Jan 22nd 2018
254
$20k
Jan 26th 2018
318
After watching the Sway interview, two things stand out to me.
Jan 22nd 2018
239
i think her biggest problem is delusion honestly.
Jan 22nd 2018
259
      Exactly. You at Slim Charles level, you dont get the Avon treatment.
Jan 22nd 2018
262
      She more like Cheese
Jan 22nd 2018
264
           Perfect
Jan 22nd 2018
270
      The delusion of celebrity is crazy yo
Jan 22nd 2018
271
The Netflix Offer Is Too Low.
Jan 24th 2018
278
Netflix was just valued at 100 Billion
Jan 24th 2018
281
$500K is kind. Todd Glass's special just came out last night
Jan 24th 2018
279
I just YouTubed and nah... I didn’t laugh
Jan 24th 2018
280
      Adam Sandler had the two most watched original movies on Netflix...
Jan 24th 2018
282
      I think I attempted to watch one of them and lasted 5 minutes
Jan 24th 2018
284
      i assume netflix uses some internal data too.
Jan 24th 2018
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      Monique's entire argument is based on card pulling
Jan 24th 2018
286
           Gay folks are marginalized in entertainment? Cmon bruh.. stop it
Jan 24th 2018
287
                Just sayin; they offered Wanda Sykes, who is all three, less than half
Jan 24th 2018
289
                     Wanda is a Black Woman who just so happens to be gay
Jan 24th 2018
290
                          And you know that how?
Jan 24th 2018
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                               Um.. she admitted she was gay a long time ago.
Jan 24th 2018
293
                                    I mean legs assumption that Wanda being gay didn’t matter
Jan 24th 2018
294
                                         Not sure why it would.
Jan 25th 2018
298
                                              And she has a bigger following but was offered LESS than Mo'Nique
Jan 25th 2018
305
                                                   yup.. not sure where you are going with this
Jan 25th 2018
306
                                                        I'm saying it's likely not low-balling at all
Jan 26th 2018
317
What is HBO or Amazon offering?
Jan 24th 2018
288
Complaining about pay helped Amy joke thief Schumer
Jan 25th 2018
295
Its not about who's funnier but who thinks you're funnier, Monique just....
Jan 25th 2018
300
RE: monique wants us to boycott netflix-
Jan 25th 2018
296
She should have taken a dramatic role on a big Netflix drama first
Jan 25th 2018
297
Monique was on the radio yesterday
Jan 25th 2018
299
My beef is with the call to boycott Netflix....
Jan 25th 2018
304
      likewise. At first I went in but once I heard about Wanda
Jan 25th 2018
307
Jada Pinkett Smith Speaks Out On Mo'Nique And Fair Pay
Jan 25th 2018
303
damn. Wanda was offered LESS than 250K?
Jan 25th 2018
308
Yep
Jan 25th 2018
311
      would still think Wanda would get at least a mill
Jan 26th 2018
316
This is only true if one has their gaze set firmly on "white" media:
Jan 25th 2018
312
      RE: This is only true if one has their gaze set firmly on "white" media:
Jan 26th 2018
324
Question: How much SHOULD she have been offered?
Jan 25th 2018
309
$500k. Unless Netflix & all outlets are colluding to keep her price low
Jan 25th 2018
310
part of the issue here is that netflix doesn't share data with anyone
Jan 25th 2018
313
^^^^^This is the part that's gone most unsaid.
Jan 26th 2018
320
      weird everyone i know watch the chappelle specials
Jan 26th 2018
325
      Nah, Chapelle’s special made its money.
Jan 26th 2018
329
           ...
Jan 26th 2018
330
whatever they offered her
Jan 26th 2018
323
What if Netflix offers Tiffany Haddish 10 mil
Jan 26th 2018
314
they could.. but will they?
Jan 26th 2018
315
I'd be surprised if they give her 10 million, but she'd probably get sig...
Jan 26th 2018
319
She signed to HBO as of today (Variety swipe)
Jan 26th 2018
321
damn, she's represented by everybody..lol
Jan 26th 2018
326
i think (and i could be wrong) that HBO comedy specials ain't
Jan 26th 2018
328
Naw that would just be tokenism
Jan 26th 2018
322
Tom Segura sheds some light on Netflix deals
Mar 29th 2018
332
he actually didn't say much.
Mar 29th 2018
333
What he said, altho little...was very telling.
Mar 29th 2018
334
he didn't really say anything.
Mar 29th 2018
335
      He also said he wasn't offered Schumer, Rock, Chappelle monwy
Mar 29th 2018
336
           ok, so you agree that he didn't say anything at all
Mar 29th 2018
337
           Nope. But keep trying.
Mar 29th 2018
340
                I know, you thought this was your moment to bring entertainment intel
Mar 29th 2018
342
                     Nope. I see you still trying all over the place.
Mar 29th 2018
344
                          "trying"
Mar 29th 2018
345
           somehow you think this is more revealing than wanda sykes
Mar 29th 2018
338
                Somehow you just wanna keep arguing to argue.
Mar 29th 2018
339
                     it's not even an argument. the things you're claiming now
Mar 29th 2018
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Airbreed
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1. "Is anyone clamoring for a Monique special like that? "
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There's definitely a pay disparagement in Hollywood based on race and sex. But I don't know if this is it. Why would Netflix pay her the same amount of cash of a high demand comedian, when she's really not that much in demand? Maybe she is with her fan base. But I don't think she has Chris Rock/Dave Chappelle level fan base. I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong. But she's trippin on that boycott shit. There's no way I'm gonna stop watching Unsealed Alien Files for a Monique special.

  

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2. "Nah. "
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Of the three comedians she named, she doesn't have near as much reach or crossover fanbase.

She should have done the first one, then asked for more money for the next one. You gotta grind at it. Her team shoulda been better.
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3. "gotdamn monique.. you ain't popping like that. "
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Amy Schumer has/had a TV show, movies and shit.. real wack movies but nationwide movies none the less.

You ain't got the audience that white girl has. Shoulda did that shit and smashed it so you could get a better offer or some movies off of it.

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5. "yeah, she shoulda played this game better."
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while I understand equal pay in most regular industries, entertainment is built diff than the accounting job.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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4. "Done"
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boycotting netflix

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6. "straight to the boycott though?"
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like, let it simmer maybe?


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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7. "LOL! ..... Bye monique."
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10. "Now we see why she can’t keep a gig. "
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She still thinks it’s 2012 or whenever Queens of Comedy dropped

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8. "Not helping her cause at all with this....."
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9. "go home monique."
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11. "buena suerte."
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12. ""You know how much Ted Danson makes?!" - George Costanza"
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13. "How does this even work? Who is checking for her like this?"
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14. "Bless her heart."
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But she is really delusional. And entitled.

  

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15. "You frazy? Good as muh fuggin Dark and Gomorrah is??"
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Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




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103. "I got a music placement on Gomorrah, btw"
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season 2, I think around ep 5

Gennys boys come to visit him and they partying in a nightclub.

My joint got all typsa club vibe filters on it, and I can barely hear my own vocals, but the check cleared...lol

  

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107. "good for you, yo...continued success"
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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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151. "NICE!!!! I'll make sure to take note of it!"
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156. "congrats!"
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272. "Nice! They have some dope ass beats on that show. "
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16. "Does anybody think the pay difference for her and Schumer is ridic tho?"
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Schumer, 11 mil offer
Monique, 500k offer

I know her boycott request is kinda silly and unrealistic,
but that IS a pretty disrespectful offer imo.

Monique's pay never reflected the fact that she's
an Academy Award winning actress. That raises
pay for any other actor, so I get her frustration
at the way she gets played on the financial end
of things.
I just wish she had something more reasonable to
say about this than asking people to boycott Netflix.
This really isn't the way to respond. With ppl
saying she's "difficult to work with" I can imagine
this is almost confirmation for some people and
might cause her to get less offers out of fear that
she'll be calling for you to be boycotted if she
doesn't like the money she's offered.

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17. "Its ridic, but it reflects their popularities"
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18. "Not really. She won an award for Precious right? "
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But that role was orettt harsh and although she killed it that Oscar win is a funny thing. Seems like as soon as a Black Pearson gets that award their career gets defined but that one role.

I actually thought she would get more serious roles after that because she was awesome in that movie.

She ain’t white tho.

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20. "is an oscar for a supporting role in a dramatic film 10 years ago"
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even relevant in negotiations for a *comedy* special in 2018?

the netflix offers to rock, chappelle, and schumer were largely based off the success of their comedy touring. theyre basically just licensing deals for recorded content from certain tour dates.

what kinda shows and what type of turnout is monique doing right now? is she even headlining shows or is she doing ensemble def comedy jam type shit?

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22. "Bang bang bang"
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>RE: is an oscar for a supporting role in a dramatic film 10 years ago

even relevant in negotiations for a *comedy* special in
>2018?
>


Its 100% most definitely not.

  

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42. "Did anybody say the award was relevant in comedy negotiations?"
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You're conflating different points there.

I mentioned that in saying I see why she'd be
"frustrated at the way she gets played on the
financial end of things" b/c I think this
boycott request comes from a build-up of events
for her and isn't solely about the Netflix
offer. I wasn't addressing whether that's
right or wrong. It's just an observation.

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176. "for playing into a stereotype a la 'Training Day'/'Monster's Ball'"
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yeah she killed it, but....

Also, is she 'that' funny?

Amy Schumer is yt, as previously stated and she's also 'controversial'

I mean, I LOVED Mo'Nique in 'Welcome Home Roscoe Jenkins' but..yeah

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"Yes, I enjoy her stand up. "


          

I do t enjoy Schumer’s standup but I’m Black and bias as shit. Most white comics don’t move me at all except for Bill Burr.

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19. "can she get $500k+ somewhere else?"
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so netflix lowballed her (in her opinion). she should be getting 500k+ bids from amazon, hulu, hbo, comedy central, etc. right?

your market value is determined by the actual market. not what you personally feel you are valued at. businesses pay you based on a revenue share of an estimation of how much money you will make *them*.

im a ball player. a team is offering me a mid level contract. i think i deserve a max contract. but no other team is offering me a max contract. then guess what? im a mid level player lol.

amy schumer (who i dont even like) has over 6 million instagram followers (one of many metrics for interest/relevance) and has been part of profitable movies, shows, and comedic ventures.

monique has an instagram following of 215k and i cant think off the top of my head of any comedic/entertainment vehicles that she has been responsible for driving revenue to. i honestly have never heard anyone talk about going to a monique standup show.
where would her starting point be in a negotiation based off past financial success?

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26. "RE: can she get $500k+ somewhere else?"
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This is show business...

It doesn't matter what you did in the past... in the world of social media and hard number metrics you can easily look and see what kind of impact a special would have...

She should take that 500k.. kill it and then cake up off a new special next year...

that is the way this shit goes man!

As it relates to the comedy world right now she shouldn't even be getting more than joe rogan or tom segura or ali wong and definitely not even Kat Williams who STAYS on the road.

When is the last time she even did a sold out stand up tour?

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21. "she put everybody in a bind"
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because if you don't jump on the boycott

now it seems like you don't support her at all, and I support her trying to get all the money she can get and I'd be insulted by that offer if I were her.

but I'm not cancelling my netflix over it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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27. "Ain’t no one in a bind over this. "
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I rock with her but unrealistic boycotts don’t work.

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145. "I am not suggesting that you are emotionally disturbed in your"
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day to day.

I think that for many people, they would be interested in supporting her, but they don't want to do what she asked.

that is a bind.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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147. "><"
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>
>I think that for many people, they would be interested in
>supporting her, but they don't want to do what she asked.
>
>that is a bind.
>

yup

  

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25. "Schumer popping. Nobody has thought about Monique since precious"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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28. "How much money do Monique's shows generate?"
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vs. Schumers?

A lot easier for Monique to make her case if she provided viewership, sponsor and advertising dollars.

  

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35. "Nope its 2017."
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Its not rocket science. If you were running Netflix would you give her equal or more than what she was offered? If so you would tank Netflix LOL

Jo Koy who tours more and at the moment has a bigger fanbase was getting turned down by most, went and filmed his own special and then sold it to Netflix.

Amy is the top female comedian at the moment regardless of anyones personal opinion on her. Ask any real comedian. They know it.



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38. "nah, its not ridic."
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as others have said, Amy has been big the last few years. Mo has not. this doesn't feel like racism/sexism. this is just who got the ball right now.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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327. "Look at their Instagram 'bers (Her and Amy)"
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Theyre paying about 3'ish dollars per follows. soooooo

yupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyup

  

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23. "As much as I think she has a right to call out that pay disparity"
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I ain't boycotting netflix.

I barely watch tv or watch movies but netflix is the truth.

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24. "She should be grateful that Netflix was willing to offer her anything"
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considering how far she has fallen outta favor with the general audience.

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45. "right? 500k is a lick "
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150. "Yes, after watching the Sway interview, it's clear he fcked up from jump..."
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You don't play the victim off jump in negotiation...that's a 1 way ticket to a dead end...


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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29. "She Should Fire Her Manager"
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That's bad business

Entertainers are private contractors...meaning that like most people said, the market dictates the price. You can have a set price in mind for yourself, but if you want $, you would have to acquiesce to whatever that # is until your demand goes up, and the # goes higher.

I support Monique getting equal pay for an acting role, but for a stand-up special? Her or her manager should have negotiated a higher price...that's on her

  

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31. "Huh? I bet her manager is mad as shit at her for this"
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He/she prolly set up the deal. This is all on Monique.

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32. "Equal pay compared to who? "
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Unless she doing movies with Deray ain’t no way she is getting equal pay as an actor.

Folks need to stop this nonsense. If she does a movie with Samuel Jack you think she should get equal pay? Based on what?

Does this work both ways? Is Schumer’s costars getting the same amount of money as her if it’s a movie with her on the poster?

Always thought the equal pay argument was odd for actors. Ain’t no equal pay in sports. Stars get paid more for obvious reasons. I think everyone working behind he scenes should get equal pay but the actual actors? Nah... star power trumps all that other shit.

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33. "her husband is her manager. explains a lot."
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34. "Oh, well yeah.. if that’s the case. "
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Then again. He wasn’t in the video. Nigga might be mad as shit.

I bet a better manager could maybe get her a mill but then again, where has she been these last 5 years? Where is the demand?

Sorry but I don’t think I would offer her more than a mill on a good day if I was Netflix.

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40. "her husband is not helping her"
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get better deals or her reputation. seems like they've both gonna ride it out this way.

she's talks about him a bit on Sway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVFxgm2S1I

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30. "Girl bye!"
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36. "*searches for 2017-8 Mo'Nique sets on youtube* <------"
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Only rusty comic they handed A-List money coming back was Chris Tucker, who has what a billion in Box office on his resume.

I wonder what those other female comics received in pay. At least Maria Bamford was creative enough to integrate the question of pay disparity into her show.

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37. "Monique breaks it down on Sway"
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for all the people in this thread taking shots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVFxgm2S1I


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39. "So whats the problem?"
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Deserved every shot in this thread lol

She and her husband are confused about what year it is.




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51. "The problem"
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is explained in the interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVFxgm2S1I


>Deserved every shot in this thread lol
>
>She and her husband are confused about what year it is.
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You are confused but it's not the first time.

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101. "No we all listened to her reasons lol nobody agrees"
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105. "Well coming from the person who said"
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"The lead fucking actor of Greys whose character the show is named after LOL and not to mention is even the reason Viola Davis can have a show on ABC cause if that show tanked who knows where Shonda would be writing shows on. Greys is on it's 13th season. Yeah. 13."

LMAO

the last time the pay discussion came up. Your opinion doesn't even count.

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41. "Really hate how she's bringing Dave and Chris in this"
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I mean, if you want to bring the gender inequality into play, I get it. But she's picking rarified air with those two, and she hasn't been close to their level. So bringing up what they make doesn't quite ring true. Chris and Dave can still sell out any arena they play. Mo'Nique isn't guaranteed, putting it kindly.

Do I thin Netflix lowballed her? Absolutely. Do I think Mo should be getting Amy money? Not quite. Dave or Chris money? Not a chance. Doesn't mean gender or race inequality isn't a thing or didn't play some part in this situation. But it also doesn't meen Mo'Nique should feel entitled to pay equal to those three OR that her situation is boycott-worthy.

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48. "Netflix brought Dave and Chris into it"
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they called her a legend. Shouldn't say that if they didn't mean it.

>I mean, if you want to bring the gender inequality into play,
>I get it. But she's picking rarified air with those two, and
>she hasn't been close to their level. So bringing up what they
>make doesn't quite ring true. Chris and Dave can still sell
>out any arena they play. Mo'Nique isn't guaranteed, putting it
>kindly.
>
>Do I thin Netflix lowballed her? Absolutely. Do I think Mo
>should be getting Amy money? Not quite. Dave or Chris money?
>Not a chance. Doesn't mean gender or race inequality isn't a
>thing or didn't play some part in this situation. But it also
>doesn't meen Mo'Nique should feel entitled to pay equal to
>those three OR that her situation is boycott-worthy.

Amy shouldn't get Amy money. When Schumer complained using "rarified air" of Dave and Chris, Netlix paid Amy more but when Monique complained they walked away.

Race and gender inequality played more than a part, it was the whole thing. A Black woman feels entitled if she is insulted by a lowball offer ? Watch the interview again and read this.

http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/uncomfortable-truth-netflix-comedy-specials.html

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52. "That’s Hollywood talk"
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There’s levels. I’m definitely no fan of Amy Schumer and think she is a hack but she has made it to that top tier.

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55. "Nah it's netflix so white talk"
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http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/uncomfortable-truth-netflix-comedy-specials.html

>There’s levels. I’m definitely no fan of Amy Schumer and
>think she is a hack but she has made it to that top tier.

She's at the top tier because she is white.

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65. "she is getting paid less than chris rock and dave chappelle."
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67. "What ? "
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I never said she was getting paid the same as Chris and Dave.

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73. "'netflix so white'"
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but 2 black people are getting paid almost double amy schumer.

explain this supposed racial disparity for me.

if you think amy schumer got a bigger deal than monique based on race...how do you explain rock/chappelle? clue me in.

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82. "Take your pick"
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Blacks Wall street

Talented tenth

Oprah

Black Football players

Black Basketball players


Since these people are rich and Black Wall street did good, does it mean the business that paid them are not racist or Black communities all over the country are not facing any racism ? The talented tenth was around when segregation was law does that mean no racist laws exist ?

Why did Wanda Sykes get offered less than Monique ?

Paying two popular Black comedians is enough to say Netflix is fair to Black female comedians.

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44. "she aint break shit down but her hurt feelings."
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netflix should keep it moving. im surprised they approached her w/ an offer at all.

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46. "You like Schumer so it's no surprise you would dismiss what "
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Monique said. Schumer's leather special on Netflix was poppin huh ?

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75. "im probably one of the biggest schumer haters on here"
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but the scoreboard is the scoreboard and she poppin.

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47. "Meh, Chris or Dave could sell out MSG right now if they want. "
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Any, like her or not (I don’t), is coming off a “hot” show and some profitable movies. Monique couldn’t sell out a Chipotle as the sole performer. Why should she get paid the same as them?

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49. "Ask Netflix "
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they are the ones who went looking for her and called her a legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVFxgm2S1I


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50. "Not all legends are equal in legendary status. "
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Cold Crush Brothers are legends, so is Jay Z. Nobody thinks Cold Crush should get paid the same as Jay for a show.

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53. "Even if they are not equal in "legendary status""
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the offer should be fair right ?

>Cold Crush Brothers are legends, so is Jay Z. Nobody thinks
>Cold Crush should get paid the same as Jay for a show.

Should the Cold Crush Brothers get less than Kreayshawn ?

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54. "when kreayshawn was 'hot' and all over radio? yes."
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im not sure what yall arent getting. the money you take home is a function of the money you bring in.

if schumer/kreayshawn generate a lot more revenue than monique/cold crush then they 'deserve' to get paid a lot more. thats how the real world works.

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56. "LOL no"
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>im not sure what yall arent getting. the money you take home
>is a function of the money you bring in.


http://www.okayplayer.com/culture/uncomfortable-truth-netflix-comedy-specials.html

>if schumer/kreayshawn generate a lot more revenue than
>monique/cold crush then they 'deserve' to get paid a lot more.
> thats how the real world works.


If that was true the white female actresses wouldn't be complaining. Nah this is how the real world works.

"Ellen Pompeo has starred as the titular character of Meredith Grey on ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" since 2005. But it has taken the actress more than a decade to work her way up to being TV's highest paid female star in a drama. For a period of time, Pompeo's male co-star, Patrick Dempsey (aka Derek Shepherd aka Doctor McDreamy) was paid more than her."


Now if they treat the the white female like that then...

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61. "fam you just proved my point."
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>If that was true the white female actresses wouldn't be
>complaining. Nah this is how the real world works.
>
>"Ellen Pompeo has starred as the titular character of Meredith
>Grey on ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" since 2005. But it has taken
>the actress more than a decade to work her way up to being
>TV's highest paid female star in a drama. For a period of
>time, Pompeo's male co-star, Patrick Dempsey (aka Derek
>Shepherd aka Doctor McDreamy) was paid more than her."
>
>
>Now if they treat the the white female like that then...

this says it all:
https://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/TV/2018/01/17/Ellen-Pompeo-ABC-execs-used-Patrick-Dempsey-as-leverage-in-pay-negotiations/2901516208255/
"They could always use him as leverage against me -- 'We don't need you; we have Patrick' -- which they did for years."

abc knew dempsey could completely carry the show without pompeo. and she knew that too. doctor mcdreamy was the biggest star on the show for much of its run. he already had an established movie career and was more recognizable. he was the main draw and the primary reason people tuned in.

sofia vergara became the main draw for modern family. she started off around the same pay as the rest of the cast. now she gets paid the most.

happy days originally focused on the cunningham family. fonzie became the bigger star and ended up getting paid more.

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66. "Nah you missing the big picture"
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>this says it all:
>https://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/TV/2018/01/17/Ellen-Pompeo-ABC-execs-used-Patrick-Dempsey-as-leverage-in-pay-negotiations/2901516208255/
>"They could always use him as leverage against me -- 'We don't
>need you; we have Patrick' -- which they did for years."
>
>abc knew dempsey could completely carry the show without
>pompeo. and she knew that too. doctor mcdreamy was the
>biggest star on the show for much of its run. he already had
>an established movie career and was more recognizable. he was
>the main draw and the primary reason people tuned in.

If he was that important why didn't the ratings go down when he left ?

"So, what does it look like when he leaves the show? First, it looks like a ratings spike, and I had a nice chuckle about that." -Pompeo


>sofia vergara became the main draw for modern family. she
>started off around the same pay as the rest of the cast. now
>she gets paid the most.
>

She negotiated that. It's hard for Monique to negotiate if Netflix gets up and walks away when she challenges them.

>happy days originally focused on the cunningham family.
>fonzie became the bigger star and ended up getting paid more.
>
>its not hard to understand.
>

So why didn't Suzanne Somers get what John Ritter was being paid ?

http://www.businessinsider.com/suzanne-somers-fired-threes-company-raise-career-worth-2015-6

""When it came time for fifth-season negotiations in 1980, Somers asked for a pay hike from $30,000 an episode to $150,000," according to The Hollywood Reporter, noting the salary increase would be "equal to what her Three's Company co-star John Ritter was receiving and comparable to salaries M*A*S*H*'s Alan Alda and All in the Family's Carroll O'Connor were being paid on lower-rated shows."

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79. "fam all of this is easily explainable."
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>If he was that important why didn't the ratings go down when
>he left ?

because the show (along with pompeo) had built their brand and cultivated a dedicated audience. robe lowe left the west wing and they did just fine.


>She negotiated that. It's hard for Monique to negotiate if
>Netflix gets up and walks away when she challenges them.
>

vergara asked for more and got paid because she was worth it to abc. monique asked for more and got denied because she wasnt worth it to netflix. thats how negotiations work lol.



>So why didn't Suzanne Somers get what John Ritter was being
>paid ?

janet and chrissy were important roles no doubt. but jack tripper was iconic. she wasnt as big a star as john ritter, alan alda, or carroll o'connor. those roles defined an entire generation of tv.

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84. "Nah that doesn't work"
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>>If he was that important why didn't the ratings go down
>when
>>he left ?
>
>because the show (along with pompeo) had built their brand and
>cultivated a dedicated audience. robe lowe left the west wing
>and they did just fine.
>

Lol it wasn't called Rob's wing. Grey's is named after Pompeo's character, it would be like telling Martin Sheen he can walk because Rob Lowe will carry the show. Plus Pompeo was part of building the brand from the start so you can't say Dempsey deserves more unless the ratings go down when he leaves.

>>She negotiated that. It's hard for Monique to negotiate if
>>Netflix gets up and walks away when she challenges them.
>>
>
>vergara asked for more and got paid because she was worth it
>to abc. monique asked for more and got denied because she
>wasnt worth it to netflix. thats how negotiations work lol.
>

That's not a negotiation. An offer or a ultimatum but not a negotiation. Not taking her calls, lying, leaving the table, it takes two to negotiate.

>
>>So why didn't Suzanne Somers get what John Ritter was being
>>paid ?
>
>janet and chrissy were important roles no doubt. but jack
>tripper was iconic. she wasnt as big a star as john ritter,
>alan alda, or carroll o'connor. those roles defined an entire
>generation of tv.
>

An iconic character who couldn't make a spin off work. Those one of shows was getting lower ratings at the time.

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58. "RE: Not all legends are equal in legendary status. "
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>Cold Crush Brothers are legends, so is Jay Z. Nobody thinks
>Cold Crush should get paid the same as Jay for a show.


Netflix lowballed Wanda Sykes as well...Even lower than Mo'Nique's rate....But yet folks want to continue to dismiss Mo'Nique's claims as if she's just being bitter...And your Cold Crush analogy is kind of side-eye worthy...Monique has sold out huge venues, had a hit show, comedy specials, and an Oscar...Her issue is she has alienated herself from the Hollywood brass. She has def. cried wolf a few times in the past....That's a legit critique to have against Mo'Nique...

But....

There's def. a problem here....A black woman problem....

And the low-key caping for Amy Schumer in this post is VERY interesting...

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59. "Exactly"
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>>Cold Crush Brothers are legends, so is Jay Z. Nobody thinks
>>Cold Crush should get paid the same as Jay for a show.
>
>
>Netflix lowballed Wanda Sykes as well...Even lower than
>Mo'Nique's rate....But yet folks want to continue to dismiss
>Mo'Nique's claims as if she's just being bitter...And your
>Cold Crush analogy is kind of side-eye worthy...Monique has
>sold out huge venues, had a hit show, comedy specials, and an
>Oscar...Her issue is she has alienated herself from the
>Hollywood brass. She has def. cried wolf a few times in the
>past....That's a legit critique to have against Mo'Nique...
>
>But....
>
>There's def. a problem here....A black woman problem....
>
>And the low-key caping for Amy Schumer in this post is VERY
>interesting...


^^^^^^^^^^ This right here

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60. "Ain’t nobody caping for Amy. "
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As far as I know, most people here don’t like her or her comedy. People are just trying to point out that in 2018, Amy is a bigger money draw than Mo. Netflix isn’t charity, they’re going to pay you according to what they think you’ll generate for them, and in most cases it’ll be way less than what you’ll bring in. Is 500k a lowball? It could be, but don’t bring up the names of people who are way bigger draws than you at this current point in time to make your stand.

If you want to talk about pay discrepancy that makes sense, let’s talk about Tracee. I’m all for that one.

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62. "what hit show did monique have? what was her big comedy special?"
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what huge venues did she sell out?

youre throwing around these terms kinda loosely lol.



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77. "RE: what hit show did monique have? what was her big comedy special?"
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Cut it out...I am no STAN for Monique...But now u just sound mad TROLL-LISH....

U have Google....Look it up....

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80. "ah so you cant name any."
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94. "RE: ah so you cant name any."
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Again...I can....She even has a sitcom in syndication...I'm not even a fan of shows like The Parkers (not my bag...at all...)...But it was indeed a success....I mean, she got an Emmy nomination for that HBO film she did with Latifah and an Oscar...Y'all seem pressed with dancing on this chick's grave....

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96. "Speak on it murph"
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They don't hear you

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>Again...I can....She even has a sitcom in syndication...I'm
>not even a fan of shows like The Parkers (not my bag...at
>all...)...But it was indeed a success....I mean, she got an
>Emmy nomination for that HBO film she did with Latifah and an
>Oscar...Y'all seem pressed with dancing on this chick's
>grave....

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106. "a sitcom that ended 15 years ago?"
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you are subjectively using the term 'hit'. a lot of black people watched it on upn. but it wasnt anywhere near something like 'everybody loves raymond'. not even on the level of something like 'girlfriends'.

as far as syndication...'thea' was in syndication for over 10 years. you watching a thea vidale standup special? lol. romeo miller and flex alexander had syndicated shows. syndication isnt really a measure of anything. how much was paid in the syndication deal(s) is a lot more telling.

and a supporting role emmy nomination from a dramatic film isnt really relevant here. itd be relevant if she was talking about getting lowballed on tv role offers tho.

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190. "im pretty sure her last tour got cancelled for low sales"
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let me go verify

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207. "We live in the era of 'likes' "
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I haven't watched more than 5 minutes of anything Schumer has ever done.

But what's gonna generate "likes" for Netflix, Schumer or 'Nique. I believe they may have 'shorted' her. That's business in Amurica. Also black women are undervalued and the mindset behind that is troubling to say the least.

But from a modern business standpoint, Schumer has potential to go 'Worldstar', and at that point, even ppl who don't fk with her will probly click just to see 'what all the fuss is about with this Schumer chick', thass all I'm sayin

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113. "Thank you for posting this. I don't think I would have really understood"
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where she was coming from

  

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143. "Not 100% with all her logic, but I do like where she questions..."
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what kinds of offers other Black female comics have to look forward to if she accepts 500k. I can definitely respect that she doesn't want to be responsible for setting THAT kind of tone for what Black women have to settle for.
We can say she ain't poppin or whatever, but we also know Hollywood often makes such excuses when they don't want to hire Black actors, put Black films in theaters, or just wanna underpay them. This isn't fiction, it actually happens. They'll say "Black movies don't do well overseas" but neither do white movies unless they're action films, and ALL actions films do well overseas. That's how Wesley Snipes made more money than Denzel for so many years (shout out to Michael Jai White for pointing these things out in his interview on IZM Radio).

Some might think this one is "fair" but the it's much more often unfair, and that makes people understandably skeptical and cautious. Monique has dealt with all the unfair treatment that comes with being a Black woman in Hollywood. It's just beyond me to tell her "gtfoh u ain't poppin", and much more my speed to say I understand her frustration even if I don't think she's handling it in the most effective way. Maybe she's just tired of it all and feels she has to start speaking out, and maybe some of the "wrong" folks are getting caught in the crossfire, but that's what happens when you build systems on the abuse of certain folks... industries within that system reflect that system, and people get fed up. *shrugs

Ftr, this issue seems a bit inconsequential to most of our lives, but all things are pretty relative in a system that mistreats people in every area of activity.

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181. "I can understand that."
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>what kinds of offers other Black female comics have to look
>forward to if she accepts 500k. I can definitely respect that
>she doesn't want to be responsible for setting THAT kind of
>tone for what Black women have to settle for.

Yeah that's a good point she made. If she goes for the lowball offer it means more of the same for those coming behind her. Hollywood has a long history of treating Black women bad, so it's insane for people to sit in this thread going hard for Netflix execs.

>We can say she ain't poppin or whatever, but we also know
>Hollywood often makes such excuses when they don't want to
>hire Black actors, put Black films in theaters, or just wanna
>underpay them. This isn't fiction, it actually happens.
>They'll say "Black movies don't do well overseas" but neither
>do white movies unless they're action films, and ALL actions
>films do well overseas. That's how Wesley Snipes made more
>money than Denzel for so many years (shout out to Michael Jai
>White for pointing these things out in his interview on IZM
>Radio).
>

Yep even if she was "poppin" it would just be another excuse.

>Some might think this one is "fair" but the it's much more
>often unfair, and that makes people understandably skeptical
>and cautious. Monique has dealt with all the unfair treatment
>that comes with being a Black woman in Hollywood. It's just
>beyond me to tell her "gtfoh u ain't poppin", and much more my
>speed to say I understand her frustration even if I don't
>think she's handling it in the most effective way. Maybe
>she's just tired of it all and feels she has to start speaking
>out, and maybe some of the "wrong" folks are getting caught in
>the crossfire, but that's what happens when you build systems
>on the abuse of certain folks... industries within that system
>reflect that system, and people get fed up. *shrugs
>

^^^^^ All true. Those who agree with Netflix and say the money they offered to pay Monique was good, never say anything about why Netflix lied to her when they challenged them about using a résumé to determine how much they pay, after they said they don't use résumés.

>Ftr, this issue seems a bit inconsequential to most of our
>lives, but all things are pretty relative in a system that
>mistreats people in every area of activity.
>
>

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43. "Apparently Wanda Sykes was offered less than half of 500k...."
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57. "RE: Apparently Wanda Sykes was offered less than half of 500k...."
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This^^^^^

It looks like Netflix doesn't so much have a Mo'Nique problem...They have a black woman problem.....

"@moworldwide, thank you for speaking out. @netflix offered me less than half of your $500k. I was offended but found another home. #EPIX"

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104. "and she promptly took her services to epix and got paid."
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https://twitter.com/iamwandasykes/status/954951321030987777

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63. "https://www.facebook.com/TheEarlyBirdnation/videos/941087436039399/"
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64. "if netflix gave monique a special would any of yall go watch it? lol"
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be honest.

shit if monique put up a comedy set on youtube for free...would yall sit down for an hour and watch it?

niggas going hard for her knowing damn well *they* aint even tryna see that shit lol.

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I watched Queens of Comedy back in the day.

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69. "Monique's husband^^"
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72. "^^^^^^ Amy Schumer lapdog"
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She popular so racism ok -lapdog

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76. "fuck no this aint 2003"
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155. "I would, just to see if it was funny, Chris Tucker's Netflixer...no"
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The last one that Mike Epps did...yuck.
Hell Deray Davis' last one was mediocre. But I gave it a shot.

But you know who dropped one that was hilarious...Arnez J.

I usually check out anything I think might be interesting on Netflix...take a couple of risk. Sometimes pleasantly surprised, sometimes disappointed.

Monique...off of sheer curiosity, would have gotten a peep. If the first 15 mins are good, I'll rock with the whole special.

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71. "So, what would have been a fair offer for Mo'Nique then?"
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I think most of us agree that

1. Netflix lowballed her
2. She's not getting Rock or Chapelle money

Comparing her to Schumer a bit greyer. I do think Mo' is funnier than Amy (legendary may be a bit much, but it strokes the ego, I suppose), but Amy is hotter on the scene that Mo' is right now. So, she can get that pay, regardless of talent. Mo'Nique even said in her interview with Sway Amy got what she was supposed to get.

So, gender and race politics aside for the moment, for everyone saying Mo'Nique has a point and should ask for the Netflix boycott, how much should Netflix had offered (or how much would YOU have offered her)?

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74. "what is the last thing people tuned into to see monique?"
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movie, show, standup special, talk show interview, facebook live chat, reddit ama, etc?

like when was the last time people said 'oh monique is gonna be on? let me go check it out'?

not even tryna funny. but maybe somebody can refresh my memory.

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I didn’t tune in just for her but I knew she would be funny in it.

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78. "RE: So, what would have been a fair offer for Mo'Nique then?"
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>I think most of us agree that
>
>1. Netflix lowballed her
>2. She's not getting Rock or Chapelle money
>
>Comparing her to Schumer a bit greyer. I do think Mo' is
>funnier than Amy (legendary may be a bit much, but it strokes
>the ego, I suppose), but Amy is hotter on the scene that Mo'
>is right now. So, she can get that pay, regardless of talent.
>Mo'Nique even said in her interview with Sway Amy got what she
>was supposed to get.
>
>So, gender and race politics aside for the moment, for
>everyone saying Mo'Nique has a point and should ask for the
>Netflix boycott, how much should Netflix had offered (or how
>much would YOU have offered her)?


Indeed...

But u know we all know that if Mo'Nique was offered $2 million to $3 million we would not even be having this discussion....lol. She would have taken THAT money. But they didn't even offer her that....Which is pretty crazy....

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81. "why would they offer her $2 or $3 mil tho?"
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shit $500k mighta been generous lol.

do me this quick favor.

monique goes into a board room with netflix execs. they say they are willing to pay her half a mil. she thinks half a mil is low.

so monique replies:
'500k? i generated $500k alone when i did _________'.


fill in that blank. nobody in here has been able to list something concrete that she successfully headed up as the primary star to justify her getting paid more. everything is basically 'well she is really funny and these other people are making more'.





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85. "bro, I'm honestly waiting..."
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cuz, I fuck with Mo's standup. She's legit funnier to me than Amy...but, the last show I sat down and watched of hers was...on Netflix by the way..."I could have been your cellmate" joint she did at a women's prison. That was 2007, fam!!! Jive 11 years ago. I for real don't remember anything in between.

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89. "exactly! i think most of us fuck with monique."
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def fuck with her more than some damn amy schumer.

but niggas gotta go back 10+ years to the last time they actually watched her!

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86. "RE: why would they offer her $2 or $3 mil tho?"
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>shit $500k mighta been generous lol.

The fact that u think that is the issue at hand...

Chris Tucker, who was all but washed (a series of flop films and critically panned standup gigs) and a punchline at that point was able to get $2 million for his Netflix special a few years ago...Again, Tucker had been out of the business and his career was given up for dead....

And yet he got $2 million...lol

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87. "breh, he's CHRIS TUCKER, doe..."
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where's Mo's Rush Hours, Money Talks, Fridays, etc. He draws people just by being Chris Tucker. Mo don't have that kind of juice.

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90. "if Tucker is worth 2m, 500k is exactly right for her"
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91. "RE: if Tucker is worth 2m, 500k is exactly right for her"
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That's the thing....Chris Tucker ain't worth $2 million in 2018....

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93. "where did you see that chris tucker got $2 mil for his special?"
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post a link for me fam. i searched but couldnt find anything discussing his pay.

i know the budget for friday was $2 mil. maybe thats what you are thinking of?

either way...like mynoriti said...if chris rock made $2 mil then monique making $500k sounds even better now. chris rock co-headlined a global comedic blockbuster trilogy. people are pretty much begging him to return for a friday 2.

is anyone begging monique to return to anything?

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95. "RE: where did you see that chris tucker got $2 mil for his special?"
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>is anyone begging monique to return to anything?

Was anyone begging for Chris Tucker's return after his career was all but dead and his stand up shows were being panned left and right?

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100. "To this day folks are still asking for Chris to be in another....."
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.....Friday sequel. He literally pointed that out in his comment. I can't tell you the last time I've heard anyone asking about a Monique project. I still see folks talking about Chris Tucker.



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98. "RE: where did you see that chris tucker got $2 mil for his special?"
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99. "lol ok man lol."
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97. "RE: why would they offer her $2 or $3 mil tho?"
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>fill in that blank. nobody in here has been able to list
>something concrete that she successfully headed up as the
>primary star to justify her getting paid more. everything is
>basically 'well she is really funny and these other people are
>making more'.



Mo's track record is known..But her issue is her agent sucks and she fought against the system in such a public way...

But let's keep it real. $500,000 for someone who has a sitcom (no matter what I think of it) in SYNDICATION, has an Oscar, an Emmy nomination and headlined that Queens of Comedy tour that had the best ratings for a special on Showtime the year it premiered, headlined her own theater tours at a time when women were not doing that shit is shaky at best...The fact that Wanda Sykes had the same issue adds another dimension to this...

I'm not buying Mo's "boycott" talk....That's misguided at best. But I do see her beef.... Saying that Mo'Nique should not get Chappelle/Rock money is one thing....

Questioning Mo'Nique's achievements as if she's some rookie bum off the street is quite another...

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112. "If Schumer can negotiate $11mil to trip over her laces or whatever"
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she does that folks find so funny, I'd argue that even $2m or $3m would have still left room for upward negotiation from Mo'Nique.

Otherwise, maybe Netflix is not even the right fit for her. Not when you have other Oscar-winning actresses like Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman out here breaking records with their negotiations for TV appearances.

And Monique speaks on the management thing in that interview, it's not all so cut-and-dry. It must be frustrating for she and her manager/husband to realize they're not taken as seriously in her
negotiations as her white management was.

I honestly just can't believe how hard people are banging against Mo'Nique. She's done a lot for the culture, as a comedienne.

It all points toward uglier trends in the black community, of a) undervaluing folks that don't have that crossover popularity, and b) undervaluing black women's contributions as a whole

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88. "depends on what some of the *not* Rock/Chappelle/Schumer comedians make"
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there's probably 100 other netflix comedy specials, and market value wise, she falls somewhere in that crowd.

if there's some comedian of similar popularity, or one hardly anyone has ever heard of and they got paid 2 million, she could maybe make a case that its bullshit.

half a million seems more than fair to me, but i don't know what the baseline is for netflix comedians who aren't gonna get billboards all over town


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102. "Do you think she deserves as much as Maron, Rogan, Ari Shaffir or Segura..."
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Cause ill bet good money whatever they were paid for the last ones were all based off the numbers they are doing on tours, podcasts, tv shows, etc.

All she seemed to come with was her current tour (nobody in this thread even knew she was doing for a so called “legend”) and movies from what a decade ago?

So before we go does she deserve as much as Amy, Rock and Dave does she even deserve as much as Jo Koy, Mulaney, Burr, Trevor Noah, D’Elia, Gaffigan, Regan, Norton, Norm, Patton, Bo Burnham, Christina P, DeRay, Birbiglia, Colin Quinn, Michael Che and the list goes on. Stand ups who are all crazy active in the game and doing shit outside of stand up that has numbers to show an audience will come check out the special. Shes not even near any of these comedians, she doesnt seem as active ad any of these comedians.


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134. "i don't know where she falls within that"
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But it would at least make more sense to operate somewhere within that tier than to simply complain the top paid netflix comedian makes this much. It seems she's going off Amy Schumer's playbook, but even Amy had to backtrack once she dropped Rock/Chappelle's names and clarify that she wasn't claiming to be on their level.

It's hard to say how much she's worth without knowing how much they're paying a Jim Norton, or a Colin Quinn etc.. and yeah most of the names you mentioned do more or less pop up regularly, but even in that sense, I don't think it necessarily needs to be based on how active she is, or what they get paid for other shit, as much as how much of a draw for viewers she is. Tucker was out of the public eye for a long time, but he's Chris Tucker. If Tucker got 2 mil, half a mil seems like a good pay day for her imo

I'm also not sure why people keep bringing up her Oscar like it matters in negotiating a comedy special



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197. "It 1000% matters how active you are"
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Theres very few exceptions to that rule like Rock, Chappelle because of their legacy in comedy.

Chris Tucker as well as we have all been waiting for the old Chris Tucker to come back, theres anticipation for that even tho thats never going to happen. His special is on there but the comedy world is over it at this point they know the Def Comedy Jam Chris Tucker is done.

You really can't compare any of those people to Monique that demand to see her like that is just not there. I bet you didnt even know she was still doing stand up till this whole ordeal came up. That goes for majority of this thread.

But even those exceptions to the rule are still very active. Chris and Dave always pop up at comedy rooms to work. They didnt just go away and not stay active.

These days these companies are all about numbers and leverage. In any industry in entertainment. Its not just talent. Its whats your audience and who can you prove you can bring to our platform if we collab. Thats it. It's a trade off.



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136. "^^^This is a really good question"
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>So before we go does she deserve as much as Amy, Rock and Dave
>does she even deserve as much as Jo Koy, Mulaney, Burr, Trevor
>Noah, D’Elia, Gaffigan, Regan, Norton, Norm, Patton, Bo
>Burnham, Christina P, DeRay, Birbiglia, Colin Quinn, Michael
>Che and the list goes on. Stand ups who are all crazy active
>in the game and doing shit outside of stand up that has
>numbers to show an audience will come check out the special.
>Shes not even near any of these comedians, she doesnt seem as
>active ad any of these comedians.
>

Putting herself up with Chris, Dave and Amy was a reach. Whether you look at talent, popularity, or work Mo'Nique doesn't really stand up to either of them. It would be interesting to see what the next tier of comedians made on their specials which, despite Mo'Nique's 'legendary' status, is kind of where she lands because she doesn't have the current work resume.

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109. "at least $1mil so it would be $500thou after taxes, but what is"
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the talent payment model for nflix anyway with all its profits and alignments
more than half its content is unwatchable yet it will be a subscription
I will probably have for the rest of my life...

  

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110. "RE: So, what would have been a fair offer for Mo'Nique then?"
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Dog.. Mo'nique doesn't even have 200k twitter followers (she has 150k) 221k on IG

DL hughley has 416k on twitter for example (835k on IG).. C Rock has 5.4m (2.4m on IG)

The current tour she is on she is doing 500 cap. rooms. And you are comparing her to guys that can do 15-20k cap amphitheatres?

This isnt just about how funny.. she just doesn't have the footprint in todays world to command Dave & Chris $

Now if you compare her to say Iliza Shlesinger who has similar metrics.. if Netflix paid HER way more money for her special.. then you could 100% say its a problem.

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111. "If social media following is such an important metric, how was Nicole"
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Kidman able to negotiate a record-breaking $1,000,000 per episode from HBO with her measly 6 posts and <500,000k followers on IG??

https://www.instagram.com/nicolekidman


I mean I'm sure that sort of thing helps, but you guys read like you're going to every length possible to justify Mo'Nique being paid embarassingly less than her white peers.

And yes, I'll call Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon Mo'Nique's peers, if we're gonna talk about what Academy-Award winning actresses can command for TV work..

  

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114. "RE: If social media following is such an important metric, how was Nicol..."
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You should not conflate the two..

A comedy special is a one off event based on a single person (and only their bankability).. a movie or tv has a budget and you are negotiating within said budget.

I think that there are two issues... Monique isnt as hot AND her team is not built to negotiate the best deals in her favor.. her husband definitely has her best Interests at heart but he may not know how or who to play the game with out here...

Nicole Kidman is literally at ever awards show and always shot on red carpets.. her social media may not show it but no one would doubt in an older female demo she is iconic. you pulled her ig and that bitch is almost at half a mil and she started it earlier this month.

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116. "Fair enough, but still - even if we were to compare Mo'Nique's resume"
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to Schumer's, Rock's and Chappelle's...

she's been in the syndicated shows, she's been on tour, she's been in films, and she's won more awards than all of them.

There is definitely a dark side to why they sought her out and low-balled so dramatically. I really don't think it boils down to social media presence, alone.

I mean that Joanne the scammer dude has an IG following closest in number to Chris Rock, lol. I would expect Netflix to offer HIM $500k for a special. Not an Oscar-winning actress.


  

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121. "RE: Fair enough, but still - even if we were to compare Mo'Nique's resum..."
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The Oscar doesnt mean THAT much in the comedy space though... esp 7 years removed.

Monique has never been a hot commodity In the way that amy or dave or chris have been. She never hit that 10m a movie space or any of those crazy benchmarks (will smith, tom cruise 20m).

So when she is lukewarm her price is gonna be a lot less than other (more poppin in the past) folks lukewarm..

Kurtis blow is the man.. recognized amongst peers as having a hand in this 80s rap shit. But he will always command way less than Run DMC or Run or DmC solo... they reached that rarified air where they dont have to leave the house for less than a certain amount....

Monique aint hit that

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124. "Ok fine. According to you guys, resumes don't count. Awards don't"
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count.

Even still: The undervaluation Monique is speaking out against is directly correlated with that inability to command 8 figures.

The fact that we're talking about celebrities doesn't change the dynamics of how this sort of thing works.. Nobody goes, well female developers earn 30% less than their male counterparts for the same code as the justification. It's the problem.

That's the point of speaking up. That's why she's characterizing what happened with Netflix as an intersectional (gender, race) bias. That's why she's brought up other instances of entire black casts not earning what one white actor gets paid. This is what pay disparity looks like.

  

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118. "Not to mention Nicole Kidman been a superstar lol "
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a well respected actress. Of course she was able to command that kind of money to come to tv are kidding me. Yeah tv is up there with movies quality wise but moving from movies to tv and back per project is still a fairly new thing and is only going to happen more. Why you think it was a big deal for True Detective. Please stop putting monique in the same convo with these giants lol
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122. "And why do you think Mo'Nique is not also "well-respected"? Despite"
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winning an Academy Award for her role in a dramatic film, as those women did?

And do you think those other reasons may correlate with why a black actress like her may not be as visible on red carpets? (here's a thought, maybe she DOES walk those same red carpets but just isn't photographed/celebrated/named on best dressed lists..)

Furthermore, Reese and Nicole did not start off their series at that compensation level. Their deal made news because they were able to negotiate up from what they earned during the first year, which was ~$250k-$350k per episode.

Giants?? Please. Because of Legally Blonde (2001) and Eyes Wide Shut(1999)?

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126. "RE: And why do you think Mo'Nique is not also "well-respected"? Despite"
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She was a comedian turned actor... those are never as respected as a for real theatre kid turned actors...

In fact I think that is part of Chappelle's appeal in their circles.. besides being a wunderkind comedian he can talk their talk cuz of performing arts HS

I dont know what to tell you though if you think that 1 movie and an ok sitcom should make Monique super respected in the space...

Also if your previous comment was to fat shame or make a statement on race I bet that gabourey sidibe is shot on every carpet she is on.

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128. "If 1 movie and an ok sitcom are enough for Chappelle and Rock to "
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gain respect, than why not? (She's been in more than 1 movie, but whatever)

>
>I dont know what to tell you though if you think that 1 movie
>and an ok sitcom should make Monique super respected in the
>space...
>


Again, this is the hardest I've ever seen folks go to "justify" a pay gap, and it's just sad. Undervaluing black women and our contributions is normalized. The community has a long way to go.

  

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130. "Answer one question"
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In 2018, who is a bigger money draw? Amy or Monique? Not who do you like more, because I like Mo a whole lot more than Amy, but you have to be on that good shit to think Monique would sell out MSG by herself these days.

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138. "Of course Schumer did/probably would. That's not where I'm coming"
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from though. I think I fall more inline with.. Schumer has superhuman representation who got her more than I think she should have, and Mo'Nique is being undervalued and got low-balled. I would have expected them both to be negotiating in the 7-figure range, if that's the window female comediennes can land in nowadays. I believe there's some underlying gender/race/age-related bias as to why even that was not the case.

But I also don't think MSG's a fair metric because they have such egregiously different demographics. It's kind of like asking "Who would sell out MSG.. Cardi B or Erykah Badu?" And using that as the barometer for their career productivity.

Which is also why I proposed somewhere else in the thread that perhaps a Netflix special was never even a good fit for Mo'Nique. And her aversion to promotional activity definitely hurts her too, since that diminishes her leverage, negotiation-wise. In this day and age even if you have receipts.. you have to continuously remind folks or you lose credibility. People even questioned whether Beyonce could sing after that anthem incident, lol

  

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140. "I feel you, but I'm not using MSG as an indicator of overall career"
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I'm using it strictly to talk about draw. Netflix is throwing out these offers based on what they think they can earn off you at this moment in time. Mo is a more talented comic than Amy, Amy is a bigger draw, hence $$$$.

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137. "RE: If 1 movie and an ok sitcom are enough for Chappelle and Rock to "
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your trippin..

Chris and Dave have made groundbreaking and Iconic material...

There isnt one joke that you can name from a Monique stand up that has pierced the cultural zeitgeist like they have..

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139. "*kanye shrugs*"
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144. "Lion (2016) Kidman, Oscar nom for best supporting acctress"
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Wild (2014) was nominated for basically every award show for hef performance not to mention if you are going to try and go back to a movie that help get her fame to try and discredit her acting chops she won best actress in 2005 for Walk The Line. Kidman won the previous year for The Hour.

When cherry picking goes wrong. Please fall all the way back you dont want none with actual facts. I know you gone this far commited to Moniques dillusional theory of what her relevance in 2017 is but the facts dont line up and you have resorted to cherry picking old abd bad movies not to mention they have made tons of money for studios and have proven so over their career. Stop it you look fucking silly as fuck. Just say you like Monique and want to stick up for her even in her delusion of grandeur.


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146. ""Stop it you look fucking silly as fuck"..?? Wth do you think YOU are"
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to talk to me this way?

Last I checked this is a messageboard. I'm allowed to voice my perspective, especially on a topic like this, as a black woman.

I was about to inquire why you aren't equally outraged by the significant cherrypicking in this thread to discredit Mo'Nique (including in your very own response, as if Nicole and Reese are the only industry award nominees OR winners out of the 3 - a commonality I was quite clear in acknowledging repeatedly), but I'll pass. I don't entertain you misogynisto types when you start foaming at the mouth like this. Good bye.






>Wild (2014) was nominated for basically every award show for
>hef performance not to mention if you are going to try and go
>back to a movie that help get her fame to try and discredit
>her acting chops she won best actress in 2005 for Walk The
>Line. Kidman won the previous year for The Hour.
>
>When cherry picking goes wrong. Please fall all the way back
>you dont want none with actual facts. I know you gone this far
>commited to Moniques dillusional theory of what her relevance
>in 2017 is but the facts dont line up and you have resorted to
>cherry picking old abd bad movies not to mention they have
>made tons of money for studios and have proven so over their
>career. Stop it you look fucking silly as fuck. Just say you
>like Monique and want to stick up for her even in her delusion
>of grandeur.
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149. "That was OD as hell, good on you calling that moron out"
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>
>to talk to me this way?
>
>Last I checked this is a messageboard. I'm allowed to voice my
>perspective, especially on a topic like this, as a black
>woman.
>
>I was about to inquire why you aren't equally outraged by the
>significant cherrypicking in this thread to discredit Mo'Nique
>(including in your very own response, as if Nicole and Reese
>are the only industry award nominees OR winners out of the 3 -
>a commonality I was quite clear in acknowledging repeatedly),
>but I'll pass. I don't entertain you misogynisto types when
>you start foaming at the mouth like this. Good bye.
>


Stop it you look fucking silly as fuck. Just say you
>>like Monique and want to stick up for her even in her
>delusion
>>of grandeur.
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160. "Lmao oh feelings are hurt now on message board "
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If you are going to continually and blindly stick to a point rather than talk about what your real issues are on the subject just because you went this hard for it be prepared tfhe other side eventually to be done playing that game and calling you out on it with zero fucks.

Its a message board. It's the internet. We dont always play nice. It's not serious that shit was kid gloves. Grow a set get some thicker skin? *shrugs*


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199. "but, he wasn't the one you said it to, man..."
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so, you want the lady above that you DID say it to...to grow a pair?

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273. "Right? We want the last women on here to grow pairs now?"
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224. "Be sure to add him to the list of clowns to ignore."
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He is consistent, if nothing else.

  

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167. "She should get paid what the market can bear. "
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If 500k is too low for her, she should shop around to get more money.

Heck even she can't get a deal she can go the CK Louis route and create her own special and sell it directly to the public. I think CK Louis said he cleared about 250K after he got his special out there directly.

And I am not a libertarian free market person in general but Comedians are different from other entertainers like actors who need Hollywood to eat because they are one man/woman show and they can always fall back on touring or doing their own thing.

She wants to prove she is worth bigger bucks, go on the road and pack arenas.


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108. "I'm with Mo'Nique. I felt that Sway interview in my soul yall."
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For those saying Mo'Nique hasnt had any flagship content in years.. isn't that kind of a weak argument considering 'Chappelle's Show' ran for only 3 years back in the mid 2000s, followed by a couple DVDs of the same content and his Block Party? Furthermore, Chris Rock's 'I think I love my Wife' came out in '07, making it even older than Precious, and Chris Rock did not receive any award nominations for that film.

In contrast, only 8 black actresses have won Academy Awards, EVER. In almost a century. And Mo'Nique is one of those women. Then imagine, she was paid only $50,000 (!!!) for a movie which she won an Oscar/fifty-eleven industry awards for. There are OKPs who grossed more than Monique that year. She might have earned less than the guy holding the damn boom mic. Compared to the amount of money thrown around in that industry? That's insane.

She then referenced that 'Almost Christmas' movie that came out.. starring Danny Glover, Gabrielle Union, Kimberly Elise, Omar Epps, etc. Not a blockbuster hit, but still (we've seen with 'Precious' that doesn't matter anyway). She said they all earned a COMBINED SALARY of less than a million dollars (!!!) And these are not half ass black stars! These are established black celebrities in the entertainment industry being paid like this. Recall also that Gabrielle Union had to file a lawsuit against BET regarding her payment for Being Mary Jane.


Interesting, also, people questioning Mo'Nique's management. She speaks on management in the Sway interview, the differences she noticed between being represented by a black man (who's also her husband) in contrast to when she had white representation. She says the numbers were low then, just as they are now, but with white representation there was always this "we'll get you more on the next one" *finger gun* bs. Meanwhile her husband actually questions the low numbers and advocates (which is the actual job, no?); and according to their experience these companies never have justifications and resort to discrediting the black artists' relevance because throughout history, MANAGERS HAVE NOT BEEN RIGOROUSLY QUESTIONING THESE NUMBERS. They/wack-ass management have just been taking it. Which then maybe explains how these award-winning black actresses grind for decades (or few years, in Lupita's case), and go ghost after they win. They're probably like, waiting on these salary bumps that are supposed to come after winning an Oscar and slowly realizing.. "Oh, black actresses don't get that salary bump"...

All of this is some bullshit. Unequivocally. How can yall twist yourselves inside out to defend it?? I do regret that Mo'Nique went right for demanding boycott out the gate, because I think that sort of action tends/needs to sprout organically in this day and age. I also think the demographic that would most relate/care about where she's coming from probably skews slightly older than the Netflix demographic.

Perhaps a better approach would have been just to drop all of the truth bombs she dropped in that Sway interview and focus on publicizing that? Naming the names, the salary figures, the companies, all that. Timing would have worked in her favor considering the recent buzz about treatment of women in the entertainment industry, PLUS Reese Witherspoon and Nicole Kidman inking the biggest checks for women in TV history recently. Black women ARE routinely undercompensated across industries.

I don't even really watch TV/Netflix so I personally can't help Mo'nique out. But I definitely side with her here. And I think she's very brave for taking the fall to speak out.

Ugh. #endrant.

  

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115. "Chappelle left the game white-hot, with people salivating for scraps"
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>For those saying Mo'Nique hasnt had any flagship content in
>years.. isn't that kind of a weak argument considering
>'Chappelle's Show' ran for only 3 years back in the mid 2000s,
>followed by a couple DVDs of the same content and his Block
>Party? Furthermore, Chris Rock's 'I think I love my Wife' came
>out in '07, making it even older than Precious, and Chris Rock
>did not receive any award nominations for that film.

The circumstances of Dave's departure from the spotlight, in addition to the extremely high level of reverence for his work by an incredibly large number of people across all demographics, combined to make his return an event of rare proportion in comedy.

Chris's last comedy special was a huge deal on HBO and was very well received. He's a tier-1 icon with several memorable specials to his name, so, once again.... his return is viewed as an event.

These aren't gymnastics, just basic context clues that Monique can't match. Yes, she win that Oscar....and then got blackballed right after.its night and day

  

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117. "I disagree. "
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lol


edit: It's clear that Rock and Chapelle are damn near immortal beings among the (predominantly male) OKP demo, so I think it's best for any defense of Mo'Nique to not focus on trying to diminish their accomplishments. I'm not. I was merely pointing out that one could apply some of the criticisms made of Monique's content (mostly its age) to Rock and Chappelle.

  

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119. "Youcan disagree but you are wrong lol "
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It sounds like you are refusing to acknowledge the difference between facts and that you like her. Doesnt matter tho. If you were netflix running a business you wouldve made rh same decision, netflix is doing well for these reasons not because they are handing out free money. The bottom line is their bottom line. She doesnt hace the relevance or buzz to bring in the numbers that would make sense. She and her team should acknowledge that, take the money and show and prove OR take their business else where to show and prove and create their own leverage next time they approach a network. Its simple. Shes getting in her own way and its the story of her career since she had the platform.
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127. "What information did I reference that is not factual? Don't put words"
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in my mouth please, thanks.

Again, why this board is so eager to cosign a gross pay disparity is beyond me. It does not help black entertainers, or even black professionals in the long run at all.

I'm aware that Netflix was after their bottom line. Where I side with Mo'Nique is on the underlying sexist and racist reasons why a black woman with an equivalent, or in this case even longer, resume than her white or male counterparts should just "shut up and take" compensation 2%-5% (!!!!) of what those counterparts are paid.

Fuck that the long way. This situation is not unique to Mo'Nique, or even her industry.

  

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125. "Those criticisms don't apply, at all, and I noteId some of the glaring r..."
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Further, Monique got a lowball offer, but the offer she got has absolutely zero correlation to what Dave and Chris got.

And that's the point: she shouldn't have used them or Schumer in her argument for why hers was so low, unless she thought they were on equal footing.
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Further, Dave and Chris being "immortal" to a male, OKP audience is a drastic understatement, considering they DID get that big payday.

Also, you really can't disagree with me.on Dave. You can, but the facts support my take, not yours. He's been enigma since he left, and not just because he left behind a mountain of money. It's due to the level of material and popularity he had attained to be offered that money to begin with.

Mom's argument for more fails because she tried to tie her offer to two all-time greats and one who looked as though she was on a meteoric rise at the time.

Her argument should be based on whether she can drive enough veiwership to justify her price tag.

  

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120. "Dave didn't get a fat contract as soon as he came back."
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He started touring small venues and eventually bigger ones for a good while prior to Netflix's offers to him. He showed Netflix that he was still in demand. Monique should've taken the pay, showed out on her special, promoted it hard, and worked until she had the needed leverage to get more money.



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131. "This is a fair criticism, for sure. Though it does seem that Mo'Nique ha..."
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a thing about uncompensated promotional activity.. it's what lead to her fallout with Lionsgate/Lee Daniels/Tyler Perry etc, according to her interview (after only being paid $50,000 for her role, they kept pressuring her to do hardcore road time/promo for free)

She seems a bit fatigued/over the bullshit.. like I don't even think she would have had the heart to put in that legwork beforehand, as Dave did. So there is that.

That offer was still an insult though, lol. If they would've at least cracked 7 figures for her it wouldn't have come across as such a slap in the face. She probably would have still complained because of Schumer, but it wouldn't have been so 'shut up and take this, ho'

  

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142. "RE: This is a fair criticism, for sure. Though it does seem that Mo'Niqu..."
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We gotta be ALL the way real..

Monique IS justified in being angry or fed up (in general) she is the last BIg black female comic from 90s-00s.. and she was on a syndicated TV show AND she has an Oscar.. And she STILL HAS to compete everyday because thats not enough to clear the hurdle...

I don't think anyone in the thread is going to say black women dont have it 20x as hard as anyone else in any field..

But the reality is her place in the culture even with all the accolades is a larger systemic issue that netflix cant or shouldn't solve. Her numbers and her position in the game are all a result of that basic issue

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148. ":)"
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On this, we can agree. lol

  

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215. "right. I remember that time when he was doing 6 and 8 hour sets"
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123. "You are patient "
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No matter how much you prove they are wrong about Monique they keep changing it up.

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133. "Lol!"
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I'm bout to give up

  

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135. "I don't blame you. lol"
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Btw you hit the nail on the head with this

"Again, this is the hardest I've ever seen folks go to "justify" a pay gap, and it's just sad. Undervaluing black women and our contributions is normalized. The community has a long way to go."


Over a year ago another thread on this board about Black actors and actresses pay vs White actors and actresses. Just like clock work excuses were used and removed and then used again. You could count ratings, then you couldn't, then you use awards, then you couldn't.

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129. "You definitely posted this with your soul and not your brain"
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132. ":/"
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classy.

  

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204. "how many Mo'Nique jokes do you reference with friends?"
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I get the direction you are going with your post, but, Dave and Chris are comedic canon at this point. We're still talking about their jokes/witty observations.

Mo'Nique? I can't remember a single joke from her.

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285. "The most I can remember from Monique is that she is brash."
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That and that she would dog skinny chicks out. I can't remember anything witty and intelligent from her. I don't recall her for having more than in your face, broad humor. She may have some intelligent, witty material, but I can't remember any of it. Not so with Dave and Chris. I can easily remember bits from them.



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301. "I HATE SKINNY BITCHES!!! That shit will always be funny to me. "
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231. "This is fair and makes sense."
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I don't think she should get what Amy/Dave/Chris get, but they definitely should've come much, much better.

I, however, am so not here for her tactics. She really does herself a disservice and the validity of her points get lost.

  

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152. "i don’t support the way she’s been doing things..."
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while I can appreciate some of her skills, she’s never been that great in my opinion.
neither has Wanda.


  

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153. "I'm a fan but not when she does stuff like this"
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I understand being upset but asking folks to boycott Netflix?

For why?

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154. "I agree with you 100%"
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Just airing your grievances like this and asking for a boycott is not good business.

  

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157. "Schumer's not that great either...she's no funnier than Monique IMO"
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Even Schumer's show is hit or miss.

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158. "Any Schumer is trash but she white"
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and they love her AND some Black people really like her too.

I never got the hype.

Monique is funnier to ME but I’m Black and older so..

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159. "I’m not here to debate personal opinions...."
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just stating why i won’t support her. It’s an unfair play of the race card.

  

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169. "I don't think it's unfair...see post 162, it's fair"
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171. "Black folk now say other Black folk are using the race card? "
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when the fuck did this start?

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It’s Trin tho... she different.

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163. "Schumer is trash...Nique is dated"
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if they willing to kick out $11m's for trash
$5 M's for a dude with prolly the same size audience as Nique (Deray)
$20M's for those at the top of the game....
who knows how much to Chris Tucker and Kat

old girl and Wanda should have gotten a lil more based upon resume
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193. "that 5 mil keeps getting thrown around"
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but it hasn't been verified

i originally saw it posted as a joke

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200. "he posted it on her IG...i didn't hear it was a joke"
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161. "Such intellectual dishonesty in this post w/ Monique being a victim"
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She ain't a victim, she just doesn't have the negotiating power and draw to command more money. Skip over the fact that she got a 1/2 million offer for her very own special.

Meanwhile, there's some other artist out there really being screwed-over, but this noise makes it much harder to hear them.

  

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165. "right..."
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162. "I'm not boycotting...but I'm with Monique on this one"
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1-I'm sure if we pulled receipts, there's a few comics that don't have the pedigree and probably got similar deals or better from Netflix.

2-Chris Tucker. I don't care what he did in Rush Hour and Friday. His standup has sucked for yeeeeaaars and he was out the game outside of "Silver Linings Playbook" and (according to Murph, so, if true) got 2 mil from netflix in 2015 because...they liked Rush hour a lot?

3-She does have poor representation. Things shouldn't be handled this way and they could approach it better. I'm sure she's played a role in how things have gone but I'm sure 'America' has played a role in this too.

4-Netflix approached her...they should have been willing to negotiate. If she approached them, I'd say, they paid her what they thought she was worth.

5-There's a bunch of goal post moving going on in here. If you don't like her or her comedy cool, but let's stop acting like she isn't probably top 5 or hell top 3 black female comedians all-time based on pedigree. Name 4 who have accomplished more and are still active...Whoopie? Now, name 3 who do it with stand up. Exactly.

6-#5 is why I get where she says, if she takes this deal, it hurts all black female comedians after her. If they not gonna pay her on her pedigree...what could Tiffany Haddish expect?

7-Wanda Sykes just threw a bomb on the whole sitch by saying her offer was even lower. Is Margaret Cho still a big deal? What they paying Margaret? What are they paying John Mulaney? Sarah Silverman? What was Aziz getting on the first 2 specials (3rd makes sense)?

8-I could have been your cellmate is doing numbers probably and that's likely why they reached out:

https://www.womenincomedy.org/single-post/2016/1/9/Top-10-Female-StandUp-Comedy-Shows-to-CheckOut-on-Netflix

...not to mention...

9a-Her last Box office movie (late 2016) was the third highest grossing film she's been in: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=monique.htm And though that film wasn't that good IMO, SHE stole the whole show and was probably why anyone liked it. AND it was comedy...not drama.

9b-Schumer's last film: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=motherdaughter.htm

And Monique actually was only supposed to have 6 lines lol. Did more with much less.

10-Her lifetime movie gross is almost a quarter of a billion dollars

11-She still tours successfully

12-She got an Emmy nod for Bessie (2015). And has an Oscar under her belt.

Her offer should have started at 2 mil and been negotiable up to 4/5 mil.

I think the biggest issue here is marketing and representation. She needs better people in her corner but I in no way think she's wrong.

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168. "I agree with you, and I feel like most folks' outrage is at the whole "
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calling for a boycott...
And after watching the interview...it's even clearer that management might be her biggest issue. It's still a game out here...and you have to play the game...
Actually...you have to decide IF you want to:
A : Play the game.
B:Get out the game.
C:Change the game.

Only one of those options affords you the luxury of speaking your mind and going nuclear.... If you choose that option, then you gotta know that you pretty much have to start your own NEW game now.


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174. "Basically...and she seems happy to be independent"
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She's like old rappers now. They get good money doing it on their own and have the occasional mainstream flare up that keeps them wavy for a minute.

So being independent, I think she's going to speak her mind. I just think she chose a poor strategy.

Simply putting the info out there might have been better. Let people create their own conclusions and ask other black/female comedians to contribute (a la Wanda) so the public can see the discrimination.

Netflix said they don't rely on resume but then quoted resume for Rock, Chappelle and Schumer when asked why they got their offers. Called the latter legends.

Then netflix called her a legend as well. Huh? Then why weren't they willing to negotiate an offer THEY brought to HER?

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172. "if you were with her...you’d boycott lol"
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175. "lmao.. nah. I want her to get back in the game"
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but it's Netflix tho..

I don't like R Kelly but I fux with Your Body's Callin.. that shit hot. It's possible to support but not give in to ridiculous demands.

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178. "I support her stance, not her approach"
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As a woman, I'd think you'd see it the same.

If you've been at your company for 15 yrs, won awards, still putting up good numbers/performance and you see people who don't have the same track record getting more simply because they are younger or the right exec took a liking to them due to their race (not obvious but implied)...are you going to sit idly by and say "if I said anything, it'd be race baiting".

Only claim you'd have is your resume with the company which you know stacks up. If they told you 'resume doesn't matter' and then you asked why they favored the others and they listed those people's resume...wouldn't you feel like there was something else at play?

I dunno. I think for who Monique is in the grand scheme of things, $500K was a low ball introductory offer.

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182. "in your example..."
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I guess the difference is I wouldn’t leave the bosses office and ask folks to boycott. she not a pillar of the black community in my opinion.

I’m a woman
I’m black
but I don’t blindly support because of that...


  

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188. "Like I said, she's handling it all wrong but her stance is spot on"
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180. "pretty much"
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164. "Race card, playing the victim"
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Damn just when you think it can't get worse.

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177. "It cuts both ways"
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You can't say that race and gender didn't play a part in this decision.

You also can't say that basic business didn't play a part in this decision.

You can't have just one

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185. "Do you agree, she is playing the race card ?"
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>You can't say that race and gender didn't play a part in this
>decision.
>
>You also can't say that basic business didn't play a part in
>this decision.
>
>You can't have just one

Is that the race card ? Do you think reverse racism exist ?

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186. "the race card is some shit white folks use"
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the fuck is going on in here?

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189. "Exactly"
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191. "see that’s some monique shit... "
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bring others into it. why didn’t you ask me directly since I said it?

  

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195. "You talking to me or did you post in the wrong spot ?"
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Either way please elaborate on the race card.

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202. "I say it because of who she mentioned in her petition..."
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you can’t compare yourself to other black folks and then scream racism.

  

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208. "You can when her and Wanda are offered peanuts"
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compared to Schumer.

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214. "do a poll..."
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call up some of your niggas, ask how many would go to a Monique concert. Then poll your white friends...

numbers won’t lie Leg’s

the bottom line ain’t nobody paying Monique ass over $500,000, hear her complain about Oprah, Lee Daniels and Tyler Perry.




  

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233. "Ehh... the white people I know would definitely go see her in concert"
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They are the type to go see Katt Williams too.

Do you remember I’m from Pittsburgh? Home of the interracial dating scene?

Most wouldn’t watch Amy Schumer for free.

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276. "^^^^^"
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>call up some of your niggas, ask how many would go to a
>Monique concert. Then poll your white friends...
>
>numbers won’t lie Leg’s
>
>the bottom line ain’t nobody paying Monique ass over
>$500,000, hear her complain about Oprah, Lee Daniels and Tyler
>Perry.
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210. "Yes you can"
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Celebrities and Uncle Ruckus like sheriff Clarke are treated different than the majority of Black folk by the same system it doesn't mean it's not racism.

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213. "Especially when it comes to Black women in comedy"
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It’s like football fans who say an owner can’t be racist because he has Black football players.

Bullshit.

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232. "It's second time someone said it in this thread"
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Oprah rich so blacks good.

Nothing to see here, it's not racism.

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237. "Obama was president. Racism is over"
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Trin said Obama being elected was all the hope and change we needed as Black folk.

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252. "Thurgood Marshall was on the Supreme Court . Racism ended back then"
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198. "Not what I was saying"
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As I have said a few times here, gender and race likely played a part in that initial lowball offer. But that wasn't by any stretch of the imagination the only reason the offer was lower than she expected. You have to look at both factors. If this was JUST about race and gender, fine. Call for your boycott. But it's not and never was

This is before you you factor in whether Mo'Nique was doing a bit much with her comparisons to other artists (contract and/or talentwise) or her assertion she's the most decorated comedian alive (unless she has an EGOT we don't know about).

So yes, she's fighting with one arm behind her back because of how the system is. Not her fault and she's right to be mad at that. But she seems to shoot herself in the foot by not having a good business case herself for what she can bring in and making comparisons she doesn't quite match up with. That part she can control.

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220. "You said it cuts both ways so I'm asking if"
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you believe Monique speaking out against racism is playing the race card ?

>As I have said a few times here, gender and race likely
>played a part in that initial lowball offer. But that wasn't
>by any stretch of the imagination the only reason the offer
>was lower than she expected. You have to look at both factors.
>If this was JUST about race and gender, fine. Call for your
>boycott. But it's not and never was
>

When you say race likely played a part in the lowball offer that's the same as saying a woman is kinda pregnant. Racism doesn't have to be only the reason, once you admit it is there, Netflix has no credibility on any of the other excuses they used to justify the lowball offer. How do you trust anything they say or did, if they are discriminating against Monique because she is a Black woman ?

>This is before you you factor in whether Mo'Nique was doing a
>bit much with her comparisons to other artists (contract
>and/or talentwise) or her assertion she's the most decorated
>comedian alive (unless she has an EGOT we don't know about).
>

How does any of that become bigger than Netflix using Monique's race and gender against her ? If she is doing too much or self sabotaging, then why don't you say racism played no part in it at all ?


>So yes, she's fighting with one arm behind her back because of
>how the system is. Not her fault and she's right to be mad at
>that. But she seems to shoot herself in the foot by not having
>a good business case herself for what she can bring in and
>making comparisons she doesn't quite match up with. That part
>she can control.

How can a good business case make a difference when system is the problem ? She is being judged before she presents her case. Are you saying she has to be the perfect comedian to get a fair offer ?

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249. "Answer me this. Was race and gender the only reason she got that offer?"
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If your stance is she got low balled only because she's a black female comedian, I understand your position. Wouldn't agree with it, but can accept your thinking.

If you believe that there are any other factors that came to play with that offer, than your stance looks a little shakier. I don't even think Mo'Nique believes it's all about race and gender, but also has to do with her supposed legendary status. Otherwise, why go on about being the most decorated comedian alive (which, come on, she's not)?

I don't think it's so cut and dry 'Netflix is racist/sexist'. I understand the offer made Mo'Nique feel some kind of way, and rightfully so. But the way everything is laid out isn't going to stop me watching Black Mirror and Ozark.

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261. "I don't believe it has to be the only reason."
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>If your stance is she got low balled only because she's a
>black female comedian, I understand your position. Wouldn't
>agree with it, but can accept your thinking.

Now that I answered you have an unanswered questions from my previous reply.

Do you believe Monique calling the lowball offer race bias, playing the race card ?

>If you believe that there are any other factors that came to
>play with that offer, than your stance looks a little shakier.
>I don't even think Mo'Nique believes it's all about race and
>gender, but also has to do with her supposed legendary status.
>Otherwise, why go on about being the most decorated comedian
>alive (which, come on, she's not)?
>

I disagree, saying that it is more than race and gender does not mean race and gender are not the main thing. My stance would still be strong. The reason I said you can't say race was "likely" a factor for the lowball offer, is based on the fact when you use "likely" you are downplaying the influence and impact of racism in the offer.

>I don't think it's so cut and dry 'Netflix is racist/sexist'.
>I understand the offer made Mo'Nique feel some kind of way,
>and rightfully so. But the way everything is laid out isn't
>going to stop me watching Black Mirror and Ozark.

I think it's hard to prove how important the other factors are when we don't have enough information on them. We have plenty of data on racism and pay inequality though. You didn't have to say it I know you will not stop watching Netflix.

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266. "Fair enough"
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>Do you believe Monique calling the lowball offer race bias,
>playing the race card ?

No, I don't think she's playing the race card


>
>I disagree, saying that it is more than race and gender does
>not mean race and gender are not the main thing. My stance
>would still be strong. The reason I said you can't say race
>was "likely" a factor for the lowball offer, is based on the
>fact when you use "likely" you are downplaying the influence
>and impact of racism in the offer.

I don't think race and gender were the main thing at all, nor am I downplaying it at any point. Just because I don't think race was the only or main factor in this doesn't mean I'm downplaying it one bit. But looking at Mo'Nique's own explanation and examples she gave, I don't think it was as much about race and gender as you do

>>I don't think it's so cut and dry 'Netflix is
>racist/sexist'.
>>I understand the offer made Mo'Nique feel some kind of way,
>>and rightfully so. But the way everything is laid out isn't
>>going to stop me watching Black Mirror and Ozark.


>I think it's hard to prove how important the other factors are
>when we don't have enough information on them. We have plenty
>of data on racism and pay inequality though. You didn't have
>to say it I know you will not stop watching Netflix.
>

You're right. We don't have all the info on who draws what in the comedy world. But we DO have info on the 3 comedians Mo'Nique brought up, and she doesn't have the draw of either of them. If she did, it would be easier to ride with the gender/race being the biggest issue. But she doesn't so there's that

Anybody that wants to rally behind Mo and drop their Netflix account, go for it. Nobody trying to spend your money or tell you you're wrong. But don't try looking down your nose or saying black people don't stay together for those that do keep their Netflix accounts

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274. "Indeed"
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>
>>Do you believe Monique calling the lowball offer race bias,
>>playing the race card ?
>
>No, I don't think she's playing the race card
>

We agree


>
>I don't think race and gender were the main thing at all, nor
>am I downplaying it at any point. Just because I don't think
>race was the only or main factor in this doesn't mean I'm
>downplaying it one bit. But looking at Mo'Nique's own
>explanation and examples she gave, I don't think it was as
>much about race and gender as you do
>

How can it be more about something besides race and gender if she mentions race and gender several times during the interview ?
She said “I am asking that you stand with me and boycott Netflix for gender bias and color bias ”


>
>You're right. We don't have all the info on who draws what in
>the comedy world. But we DO have info on the 3 comedians
>Mo'Nique brought up, and she doesn't have the draw of either
>of them. If she did, it would be easier to ride with the
>gender/race being the biggest issue. But she doesn't so
>there's that
>

Even if she doesn't have the draw of the 3 comedians that you mentioned, wrong is wrong. Race and gender bias is at the core.

>Anybody that wants to rally behind Mo and drop their Netflix
>account, go for it. Nobody trying to spend your money or tell
>you you're wrong. But don't try looking down your nose or
>saying black people don't stay together for those that do keep
>their Netflix accounts

If Blacks folk don't stand for something....

The majority is pushing back against Monique and her boycott anyway so I doubt the number of those looking down saying black people don't stick together is more than a handful.

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173. "while I aint' boycotting.. I still think Monique is funny as fuck"
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I'm black tho.. so there's that.

Also have to remember this place likes Girls, Schumer and damn near every other white comedian I ain't never heard of.

yall really saying race card tho? We calling Black folk out for using the race card in 2018? This some Hannity bullshit.

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179. "same.."
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183. "We thoroughly enjoyed Almost Christmas. I'd forgotten how much I "
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appreciated and enjoyed her.



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184. "yes, that shit was funny"
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I stand by everything I said tho, I think she should have taken it, smashed it out the park and used it as a vehicle to get back in the game.

That being said, if she is eating good I can't knock her sticking to her guns. I wouldn't ask for a boycott tho.

Most I would do is tell them why I refused their deal.

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192. "Yep"
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>I'm black tho.. so there's that.
>
>Also have to remember this place likes Girls, Schumer and damn
>near every other white comedian I ain't never heard of.


^^^^^ All true some went hard for Kylie Jenner, Louie CK, Bill Maher

>yall really saying race card tho? We calling Black folk out
>for using the race card in 2018? This some Hannity bullshit.

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194. "RE: while I aint' boycotting.. I still think Monique is funny as fuck"
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Ill be more concise with a comment I said above..

Netflix aint the problem.. America is..

Monique got the proper internal stats... but America will always value her less (cuz she is a black woman) in all avenues.. because that value is lower... Netflix looks at stats and says well the value/audience ain't there so.. this is what we got.

You can barely name 10 women that America would agree is funny (regardless of race) of those 10 women maybe 40% do stand up. Of those 4 maybe 1 can do arenas solo (and that's SUPER recent).

That name wont be Monique's though and for many she may not be in that top 10. Its not because of her work ethic and accolades though.. its simply because of how we value female comedians and then value black women.

I'm sure all that shit just weighs heavy on her.. but public spats and airing out business dealings aint gonna fix ANY of it.

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203. "Does her weight/looks play a part? "
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cause while I don’t think Amy is anything special I think most dudes are like “she chubby but cute”

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238. "RE: Does her weight/looks play a part? "
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Sure... prolly played in her favor though.. esp. for Funny people

also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPpsI8mWKmg <- this link is for content not just cuz Schumer

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275. "this...their marketshare is awful"
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it's not comediennes fault

but looking to netflix to fix that or make offers that fix that is odd to me

i like the attention on the issue in general but the methods and the lack of reflection on the business side is wild to me

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196. "smh"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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201. "She should get paid what the market will bear."
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If 500k is too low for her, she should shop around to get more money.

Heck even she can't get a deal she can go the CK Louis route and create her own special and sell it directly to the public. I think CK Louis said he cleared about 250K after he got his special out there directly.

And I am not a libertarian free market person in general but Comedians are different from other entertainers like actors who need Hollywood to eat because they are one man/woman show and they can always fall back on touring or doing their own thing.

CK Louis will chill for a year then he will quietly start touring again.



She wants to prove she is worth bigger bucks, go on the road and pack arenas.

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205. "Louis CK route? Smh"
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Y’all love that dude.

Plenty of Black comedians in her lane have gone indie and turned it into something. This is, Monique already had a show, has more than a few movies under her belt. It’s just she is Blac, big and caters to US.

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212. "So you don't want her to produce her own special and indepedently"
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distribute it to her paying fans?

Or you just stopped at the words CK Louis?


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226. "I’m saying Monique is already established. "
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and the model you provided has already been done.

It’s not like she walked up to Netflix in some slippers asking for a deal. They came to her but I think they tried to play her. Prolly trying to make back some of that Schumer money they lost

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216. "Netflix came to her, she didn't go to them. "
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223. "Ok. Not sure what that changes. "
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225. "It's not like she was actively out shopping a stand up special and is "
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desperate. She's just using this as an opportunity to shed light on more Hollywood B.S. I think that's the point folks are missing out on.
It's like if you aren't actively looking for a job, but a company comes to you and offers you 20% less than what you make now, and 70%less than what you KNOW you're worth...you gonna feel some kinda way. And if you have the platform, you probably gonna speak on it.


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206. "Bad fucking business skills. "
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I get it that she is disappointed

but, if she were smart about it she would realize that simply being featured on one of the biggest growing platforms will bring a lot of attention to her brand

and

were I in her position I would take that money, put out a really really solid special, tour (if shes not already touring), get another hour going and then work on getting a second special up and going for more money - netflix does not publish or reveal numbers but if she did a damn good job and the response is there I'm sure she would be able to get more money.


shes kinda not been relevant for some years, this could be an opportunity to get popping again.

she could have rolled the new relevance the special brought to do things like being featured on Blackish or other shows and get her career charging.
Features on shows to her own show to more comedy stuff to a higher paying special on netflix.

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209. "The Wanda Sykes offer kinda changes my opinion"
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still not a fan of asking for a boycott but I actually think Wanda is bigger and a cross over comedian. If she was offered less it’s obvious they don’t think Black women are worthy of real money.

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211. "Did Schumer get over? I heard her special wasn’t that good"
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