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Sofian_Hadi
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""Trump, take your L" - UN General Assembly (Swipe)"


          

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/21/donald-trumps-decision-jerusalem-condemned-un-general-assembly/

Donald Trump's decision on Jerusalem condemned by UN general assembly despite US 'bullying' over vote of censure.

The United Nations general assembly has voted overwhelmingly to condemn Donald Trump's decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, in a rare emergency session of the global body.

The 193-nation general assembly approved the resolution by a massive margin, with 128 nations in favour, and nine against. There were 35 abstentions.

Mr Trump threatened on Wednesday to withhold aid to any country which defied the threats.

Mali withdrew their sponsorship of the resolution, in response to the US threats of retaliation.

But the majority of countries shrugged off the US bullying tactics and, throwing salt into the wounds in Washington, US allies including Saudi Arabia, the UAE and South Africa added their names at the last minute to the document condemning the decision.

The resolution was vetoed by the United States in the 15-member UN security council on Monday, but the US cannot veto a general assembly resolution.

Nikki Haley, US ambassador to the UN, used her speech ahead of the vote to emphasis that the United States is the single largest contributor to the UN and its agencies, and said that in return it expected support for its decision.

"The arguments have already been made. The decision was in accordance to US law dating back to 1995. The decision does not prejudge any final status agreement. The decision does nothing to harm peace efforts," she said.

"The United States will remember this day when it was singled out in the United Nations for the act of exercising our sovereignty.

"America will put our embassy in Jerusalem. It is what the American people want us to do.

"This vote will make a difference at how America looks at the UN, and how we look at countries who disrespect us at the UN."

But Riyad al-Maliki, foreign minister of the Palestinian Authority, told the assembly: "We meet today not due to any animosity towards the United States, but because of a decision that counts as an aggression.

"The decision will not affect the status of Jerusalem. Rather it affects the status of the United States as a mediator of peace."

He said they had ignored warnings about inflaming tensions, and described the decision as "illegal" and "provocative".

On the eve of the vote, Mrs Haley had sent a letter warning countries against voting to censure the US, and said that the US will be "taking names".

“The president will be watching this vote carefully and has requested I report back on those countries who voted against us. We will take note of each and every vote on this issue,” she wrote.

Mr al-Maliki picked up on her words on Thursday, telling the assembly: "History records names. It records names of those who voted for what was right."

The vote is non-binding, but carries political weight.

Only 10 such emergency sessions have been convened since 1950, and the last time was in 2009, to discuss occupied East Jerusalem and Palestinian territories.

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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

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What L? meaningless symbolic vote 45 could GAF about
Dec 21st 2017
1
You must not know anything about the Middle East
Dec 22nd 2017
11
They threatened countries across the board and no-one GAF
Dec 22nd 2017
12
      we're not doing a damm thing
Dec 22nd 2017
13
           Yes that would be a real L, since the US has veto power
Dec 22nd 2017
15
Saudi Arabia said hold up
Dec 21st 2017
2
this is embarassing.
Dec 21st 2017
3
nobody respects him
Dec 21st 2017
4
who mans is this? (c) rest of the world
Dec 21st 2017
7
And Canada, Australia, Argentina, Mexico, Czech Republic....
Dec 21st 2017
5
abstaining is not de facto support.
Dec 21st 2017
6
      Yeah, reports are that Canada was set to vote no
Dec 21st 2017
9
Oceania wildin
Dec 21st 2017
8
Imagine starting Tebow for four years....
Dec 21st 2017
10
lol @ this tweet
Dec 22nd 2017
14
The U.S. Wanted to Discuss Iran. Russia Brought Up Black Lives Matter. (...
Jan 06th 2018
16
putin burning us at both ends.
Jan 06th 2018
17

j.
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Thu Dec-21-17 01:43 PM

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1. "What L? meaningless symbolic vote 45 could GAF about"
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just like the other million and a half votes and resolutions against the israeli occupation
plus it takes years to move an embassy
45 might be out of office* before the move takes place






*If Dems don't fuck up as usual

  

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Sofian_Hadi
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Fri Dec-22-17 12:41 AM

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11. "You must not know anything about the Middle East"
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Everything about the middle east and conflict is based on symbolism

Trump's declaration was symbolism and this response by the UN is also symbolism.

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Ted Gee Seal
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Fri Dec-22-17 01:21 AM

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12. "They threatened countries across the board and no-one GAF"
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All this big talk about taking names and cutting off aid produced no consequential support for the US.

Maybe the US has got its pretext to cut off aid, but across the board countries didn't give a shit. That's an L.

Just IMO though.

  

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j.
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13. "we're not doing a damm thing"
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not cutting off aid or funds, no retaliation, nothing, nathan

A bunch of no-name Pacific islands and a couple of central american countries voted with the US and Israel.

We have ZERO leverage. All that huffing and puffing by 45 and Hailey is just that, empty words carried by the wind

UNGA votes are non-binding, basically on the pay-no-mind list

a real L would be a security council vote, which are binding

  

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Ted Gee Seal
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Fri Dec-22-17 02:45 PM

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15. "Yes that would be a real L, since the US has veto power"
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>a real L would be a security council vote, which are binding

But since they do, that's the reason why no-one opted for the security council vote.

Just IMO though.

  

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Lurkmode
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2. "Saudi Arabia said hold up"
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Signed on at the last min.

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Reeq
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Thu Dec-21-17 01:56 PM

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3. "this is embarassing."
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trump threatened other countries to fall in line. and here is a list of the countries that fell in line:

guatemala
honduras
israel
marshall islands
micronesia
nauru
palau
togo

  

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4. "nobody respects him"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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Reeq
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7. "who mans is this? (c) rest of the world"
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5. "And Canada, Australia, Argentina, Mexico, Czech Republic...."
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And 28 others who abstained.

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Reeq
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6. "abstaining is not de facto support."
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i think canada actually wanted to support us but didnt wanna look like they were acquiescing to the threats. that doesnt apply to every other abstainer tho.

the fact that the majority of nato countries alone outright voted against us shows how weak and unrespected we are.

  

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stravinskian
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9. "Yeah, reports are that Canada was set to vote no "
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until Trump started making threats.

  

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8. "Oceania wildin"
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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Kira
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10. "Imagine starting Tebow for four years...."
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That is how I feel and a year hasn't passed yet. If people vote enough to get Repubs out of office it will be time to derail this agenda.

It feels weird being a position where no one respects America at all.

  

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Reeq
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14. "lol @ this tweet"
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https://twitter.com/tribranchvo/status/943989427415736320

  

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16. "The U.S. Wanted to Discuss Iran. Russia Brought Up Black Lives Matter. (..."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/world/middleeast/un-iran-protests-debate.html?_r=0

The U.S. Wanted to Discuss Iran. Russia Brought Up Black Lives Matter.
By MICHAEL SCHWIRTZJAN. 5, 2018

UNITED NATIONS — Efforts by the Trump administration to marshal a muscular international response to Iran’s crackdown on anti-government protesters appeared to backfire on Friday, as members of the United Nations Security Council instead used a special session called by the United States to lecture the American ambassador on the proper purpose of the body and to reaffirm support for the Iran nuclear agreement.

It was an afternoon of high diplomatic theater that began with a passionate denunciation of Iran’s “oppressive government” by the American ambassador, Nikki R. Haley, and ended with the Iranian ambassador delivering a lengthy history of popular revolt in the United States — from the violent demonstrations at the Democratic National Convention in 1968 to the Occupy Wall Street protests in 2011.

In the interim, Council members did, one by one, condemn the Iranian government’s response during more than a week of protests. As of Friday, more than 20 people had been killed and hundreds had been arrested. The authorities have blocked access to social media and have blamed foreign “enemies” for instigating the unrest, a common refrain at times of upheaval that in this case the government has provided no evidence to support.

In her remarks, Ms. Haley said that the United States would remain steadfastly behind the Iranian protesters.

“Let there be no doubt whatsoever,” she said, “the United States stands unapologetically with those in Iran who seek freedom for themselves.”

But there was evidence of a mini-revolt brewing within the Security Council chamber, not only among traditional adversaries like Russia and China, but also among close allies like France and Sweden. Many seemed to fear that the outspoken criticism by the Americans was simply a pretext to undermine the Iran nuclear deal, which President Trump has long desired to scrap.

It is not precisely clear what Ms. Haley hoped to achieve by convening the session on Friday, which was not previously scheduled. Until the meeting began at 3 p.m., it was not even certain whether Ms. Haley would be able to secure the votes needed to call the session to order.

But even before the session began, France’s ambassador, François Delattre, warned against “instrumentalization” of the protests “from the outside.”

Speaking before the Council, he went further.

“We must be wary of any attempt to exploit this crisis for personal ends, which would have a diametrically opposed outcome to that which is wished,” Mr. Delattre said.

The Russian ambassador, Vasily A. Nebenzya, was more blunt. He asked rhetorically why the Security Council had not taken up the issue of Black Lives Matter protests in Ferguson, Mo., which were at times also met with a violent police response.

“The real reason for convening today’s meeting is not an attempt to protect human rights or promote the interests of the Iranian people, but rather as a veiled attempt to use the current moment to continue to undermine” the Iranian deal, Mr. Nebenzya said.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly excoriated the deal, which was a signature diplomatic achievement of his predecessor, Barack Obama. In October, he refused to recertify the deal, though he left it to Congress to legislate changes to it. (None of the other world powers that signed the deal believes that renegotiation is possible.)

Later this month, Mr. Trump will again have to choose whether to continue to waive sanctions, as the deal requires, or chart a more confrontational approach that would further antagonize European allies.

Mr. Trump himself conflated the protests with the Iran nuclear deal this week, arguing that financial benefits received by the Iranian authorities as part of the accord had fueled the corruption that the country’s people were now protesting.

At the Security Council on Friday, most members insisted that these two issues were separate.

“It needs to be crystal clear to the international community that the situation in Iran does not belong on the agenda of the Security Council,” said Sacha Sergio Llorenty Solíz, the Bolivian ambassador.

Sweden’s representative, Irina Schoulgin Nyoni, concurred: “We have our reservations on the format and timing of this session.”

Such reticence to support the American position is the latest evidence of growing international resistance to the Trump administration’s foreign policy priorities, particularly at the United Nations. Last month, a large majority of United Nations members voted for a resolution denouncing the United States’ decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and move the American Embassy there.

Ms. Haley had to use her veto to block a similar resolution in the Security Council that was supported by every other member.

On Wednesday, the United States Mission to the United Nations held a cocktail reception for the nine countries that voted against the resolution in the General Assembly, which, aside from Israel, were Guatemala, Honduras, Togo, the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, Nauru and Palau.

In a video message played at the reception, Mr. Trump thanked the attendees for “standing with the United States.”

He said that the vote would “go down as a very important date,” and that their support was “noted and greatly appreciated.”

  

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Reeq
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17. "putin burning us at both ends."
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jesus christ we are an international joke right now.

  

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