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" "Nigger" -Spock, Tarantino making a Trek movie?"


  

          

Hard pass.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/4/16736356/star-trek-movie-quentin-tarantino-jj-abrams

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going to be the teleporter scene from the first Star Trek movie on loop
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I like to discuss this but could do without that word in the subject lik...
Dec 05th 2017
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the word dies when it's creators do
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Lmao
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How do you say nigger in Klingon?
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I heard in the new series they are super African looking
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      In the original serious they were more asian. Like Mongolian
Dec 05th 2017
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           I thought asians were the romulans or vulcans
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           You mean Worf, right?
Dec 06th 2017
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           Michael Dorn + Worf = DORF
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Definitely more interested than anything by Abrams
Dec 05th 2017
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Yeah, I am over the shitty action movies.
Dec 05th 2017
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To boldly say "nigger" where nobody has done before
Dec 05th 2017
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I mean -- if you had lived then youd have heard it a lot more
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Would you have?
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I agree with everything except the ahistorical part
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      Not a-historical in that it wasn't to be used
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           gotcha, yeah I don't know if it was that common either
Dec 06th 2017
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This guy
Dec 05th 2017
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Who said he is doing it from the Starfleet perspective?
Dec 05th 2017
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      Because Hollywood doesn't take that level of risk in blockbusters
Dec 05th 2017
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           You do it if you have a flailing franchise and QT wants to make
Dec 05th 2017
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           You're thinking franchise rejuvenation and longevity
Dec 05th 2017
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                You kind of all over the place and I am missing your point.
Dec 05th 2017
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                     That it'll be different, but not as different as you're proposing
Dec 05th 2017
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                          Got you. Let's wait and see.
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           I'd see that Brotherhood of Mutants movie lol
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THAT is classic OKP poast titling
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His pitch:
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LOL
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KLINGON MOTHAFUCKA DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
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https://media.giphy.com/media/k0He6inwBCmw8/giphy.gif
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      excellent .gif usage
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It will be rated R. (swipe)
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...sigh...
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how long before the first nigger joke? I say 5 minutes.
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      first 30 45 min in a holodeck (or similar type of simulator) scene
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lmao @ the thread title
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Atillah Moor
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1. "going to be the teleporter scene from the first Star Trek movie on loop"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro_QpDJX-Sk

  

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2. "I like to discuss this but could do without that word in the subject lik..."
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know what I'm sayin?


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Atillah Moor
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4. "the word dies when it's creators do "
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6. "Lmao"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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3. "How do you say nigger in Klingon?"
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Back in college a white girl taught herself to speak Klingon. Shit was hilarious. We spent half the class asking her how to say shit and she was grunting and snorting. People were like “why not learn Spanish or some shit you can use?”

She’s prolly a millionaire from selling Klingon audio books.

Anyway, are Klingons basicall niggers with no home training? The last movie felt kinda racist.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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7. "I heard in the new series they are super African looking"
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I think originally they were supposed to represent Latinos or maybe Muslims(?) but by the time of the first movie they are clearly more of a stand in for more African black and brown people

  

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8. "In the original serious they were more asian. Like Mongolian"
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Dorf brought the brother to it.

  

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Atillah Moor
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11. "I thought asians were the romulans or vulcans "
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in the series yes maybe more Mongolian? but by the first movie they were way more brown

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmp/themotionpicture0025.jpg

  

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32. "You mean Worf, right?"
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>Dorf brought the brother to it.

  

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33. "Michael Dorn + Worf = DORF"
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Wed Dec-06-17 01:31 PM by Original Juice

          

DORF

  

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5. "Definitely more interested than anything by Abrams"
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9. "Yeah, I am over the shitty action movies. "
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Sci-Fi is suppose to be thought-provoking.


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10. "To boldly say "nigger" where nobody has done before"
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I appreciate the man's ability to craft scenes and pacing, but fuck Quentin Tarantino.
I actually sat through the Hateful Eight and counted how many "niggers" I heard, I'm pretty sure it was over 50. *(60 according to this article http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gray-matters/article/Tarantino-and-the-n-word-Why-I-hated-The-6735878.php)

And putting aside the word, do we really think that man can tell a Star Trek story from a Starfleet or Federation perspective? All that man does it revenge and antihero plots.

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12. "I mean -- if you had lived then youd have heard it a lot more "
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than 60

  

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14. "Would you have?"
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Bastard, monkey, darkie, and many other derogatory terms were readily available around that time.
It's lazy writing and a favorite go to and likely a-historical considering it's Tarentino.

Also in the film one of the men is familiar with him, one is purporting to be a mexican, and one is purporting to be a british nobleman ... all of them use the term just as much if not more than the confederate in the flick.

I disagree with your statement.

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23. "I agree with everything except the ahistorical part "
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The film is set at the end of of the Civil War right? The word had not lost popularity by that time seeing as how M Twain was a big fan and wrote his works 20 years later and Agatha Christie (a brit) would use the word in a famous book title almost 70 years later in England.

I think that between 1856-1858 the word would have been commonly used among most. Especially whites.

This isn't defense of Tarantino

  

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26. "Not a-historical in that it wasn't to be used"
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But his hard lead in to make it as common as the word "the"

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27. "gotcha, yeah I don't know if it was that common either "
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but it wouldn't surprise me either

  

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15. "This guy"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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13. "Who said he is doing it from the Starfleet perspective?"
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I think the dopest new franchise would be to do a series where Starfleet and the federation are the bad guys.

Basically, Firefly set in the Starfleet universe.



>I appreciate the man's ability to craft scenes and pacing,
>but fuck Quentin Tarantino.
>I actually sat through the Hateful Eight and counted how many
>"niggers" I heard, I'm pretty sure it was over 50. *(60
>according to this article
>http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gray-matters/article/Tarantino-and-the-n-word-Why-I-hated-The-6735878.php)
>
>And putting aside the word, do we really think that man can
>tell a Star Trek story from a Starfleet or Federation
>perspective? All that man does it revenge and antihero plots.
>


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16. "Because Hollywood doesn't take that level of risk in blockbusters"
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Would you see an X-Men movie from the perspective of the brotherhood of mutants?
Would you see an Avengers flick from the perspective of the C'Thari?
Hollywood needs its heroes to be the stars.
The closest thing you get to what you're proposing is this Venom flick which somehow won't include Spiderman and that's only being done to retain the rights to certain characters.

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17. "You do it if you have a flailing franchise and QT wants to make"
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your next movie based on his idea.

Just saying if it's a movie based on QT's idea, it's safe to say it will probably be a different take from what we have already seen.


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18. "You're thinking franchise rejuvenation and longevity"
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Not upcoming quarter and release dates.
In other words ... you're giving more consideration than Hollywood does to anything.
The Star Trek property made big noise on diversity and exclusivity and a new show, then moved that entire mess of a product to an app service that nobody has
Additionally they keep fucking up the timeline.

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19. "You kind of all over the place and I am missing your point. "
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Are you saying that QT is NOT going to do a different take from all the other movies in the franchise? Or the studio won't let him?


>Not upcoming quarter and release dates.
>In other words ... you're giving more consideration than
>Hollywood does to anything.
>The Star Trek property made big noise on diversity and
>exclusivity and a new show, then moved that entire mess of a
>product to an app service that nobody has
>Additionally they keep fucking up the timeline.
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21. "That it'll be different, but not as different as you're proposing"
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30. "Got you. Let's wait and see. "
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24. "I'd see that Brotherhood of Mutants movie lol"
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20. "THAT is classic OKP poast titling"
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well played

  

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22. "His pitch:"
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QT. Okay, so okay...from now on okay they are called Klingoniggers, Vulcaniggers, & Romulaniggers.

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25. "LOL "
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so wrong

  

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28. "KLINGON MOTHAFUCKA DO YOU SPEAK IT?!"
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29. "https://media.giphy.com/media/k0He6inwBCmw8/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/k0He6inwBCmw8/giphy.gif

  

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31. "excellent .gif usage"
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34. "It will be rated R. (swipe)"
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http://deadline.com/2017/12/quentin-tarantino-star-trek-r-rating-mark-l-smith-the-revenant-drew-pearce-lindsay-beer-jj-abrams-1202222161/

Quentin Tarantino’s ‘Star Trek’ Will Be R-Rated: ‘The Revenant’s Mark L. Smith Frontrunner Scribe

EXCLUSIVE: After Deadline this week revealed that Quentin Tarantino pitched a Star Trek film to JJ Abrams and Paramount, the whole thing is moving at warp speed. Tarantino met for hours in a writers room with Mark L. Smith, Lindsey Beer, and Drew Pearce. They kicked around ideas and one of them will get the job. I’m hearing the frontrunner is Smith, who wrote The Revenant. The film will most certainly go where no Star Trek has gone before: Tarantino has required it to be R rated, and Paramount and Abrams agreed to that condition. Most mega budget tent poles restrict the film to a PG-13 rating in an effort to maximize the audience. That was the reason that Guillermo Del Toro’s $150 million At The Mountains of Madness didn’t go forward at Universal, even though Tom Cruise was ready to star. The exception to this rule was Fox’s Deadpool, but that film started out with modest ambitions before it caught on and became the biggest R rated film ever.

Quentin Tarantino Hatches 'Star Trek' Movie Idea; Paramount, JJ Abrams To Assemble Writers Room
Mark L. Smith
REX/Shuttertock
That rating was crucially important to Tarantino, who hopes to direct this Star Trek and who has helmed R rated films his entire career. Imagine how this could open storytelling lanes, or even what the banter on the bridge of the Starship Enterprise might be, if you conjure up memories of the conversations between Samuel L. Jackson and John Travolta in Pulp Fiction, or the banter at the diner between robbers before the heist gone wrong that triggered the action in Reservoir Dogs.

Smith is best known for writing the Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu-directed The Revenant and subsequently overhauled Overlord, the WWII thriller that Abrams’ Bad Robot is producing for Paramount. Pearce’s script credits include Iron Man 3, Sherlock Holmes 3, Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation and the TV series Runaway TV; he just directed his script Hotel Artemis; Beer’s credits are mostly upcoming, and include the Doug Liman-directed Chaos Walking, as well as Godzilla Vs. Kong, Masters of the Universe, Barbarella and Dungeons and Dragons, all big scale stuff.

They will lock one of the three quickly (if there is a front runner, it might be Smith), and the film will be scripted based on Tarantino’s idea while Tarantino is filming his next film about the Manson summer of 1969, which got set at Sony and has I, Tonya‘s Margot Robbie poised to play Sharon Tate, and Cruise, Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt all having met with the filmmaker about roles.

  

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35. "...sigh..."
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37. "how long before the first nigger joke? I say 5 minutes. "
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first joke in the opening scene: "a spock and a nigger are flying a ship.."

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38. "first 30 45 min in a holodeck (or similar type of simulator) scene "
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36. "lmao @ the thread title"
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