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atruhead
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"Explain the Prince phenomenon to me"


  

          

sexual revolution? I get it
played every instrument and innovated the 80s with funk, pop, rock? cool
I respect the Linn drum
but how much of it is nostalgic value from people who were there? Im willing to wager 25-30%
my mom and two uncles swear by him
some people take it to extra weird levels (Parade and Around The World In A Day aren't timeless to me)

I like pretty much everything I've heard (my favorite material is on 1999, Purple Rain and Sign O The Times), but what am I missing that had the world going crazy?

no snark on my part, Im willing to be educated and I figured I'd ask here because Im not interested enough to read anyone's biography

  

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http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2016/04/anigif_enhan...
Nov 21st 2017
1
Maybe he's just not for you
Nov 21st 2017
2
I mean.. if the world recognizes someone’s greatness
Nov 21st 2017
4
your reading comprehension levels are amazingly poor
Nov 21st 2017
5
      Nigga I seen how you stand at hip hop shows
Nov 21st 2017
8
           so your only purpose is to stir bullshit?
Nov 21st 2017
13
                oh, this wasn’t thread to stir bullshit? You are serious?
Nov 21st 2017
19
yeah he's not for everybody.
Nov 21st 2017
53
had to be there **shrugs**
Nov 21st 2017
3
Im kind of asking how much of this stuff is timeless
Nov 21st 2017
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      RE: Im kind of asking how much of this stuff is timeless
Nov 21st 2017
45
I never *got* the Prince thing myself
Nov 21st 2017
7
What you mean by facade?
Nov 21st 2017
9
TBH, I've long wondered if he was asexual...
Nov 21st 2017
47
      Lol wut? Breh was "getting" plenty of sex
Nov 21st 2017
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      RE: TBH, I've long wondered if he was asexual...
Nov 22nd 2017
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lol
Nov 21st 2017
22
lol
Nov 21st 2017
10
Mods need to un-bann SoWhat so he and Legs can unite to battle
Nov 21st 2017
12
the power of Prince yo
Nov 21st 2017
14
Wait. SoWhat is banned?
Nov 21st 2017
28
      as far as anyone can gather...
Nov 21st 2017
34
      Tends to happen when you threaten to murder people here.
Nov 21st 2017
50
           lol
Nov 21st 2017
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           lol
Nov 22nd 2017
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sorry if you took anything I said as slander
Nov 21st 2017
15
lol not at all
Nov 21st 2017
38
Don't now act like the OP wasn't full of snark and lightweight diss.
Nov 21st 2017
51
      why are you so fucking weird?
Nov 21st 2017
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           The clinical term for this is "projecting" I believe.
Nov 22nd 2017
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                right? especially on OKP.
Nov 22nd 2017
80
i made the same post years ago. prince made a lot of amazing music
Nov 27th 2017
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      RE: i made the same post years ago. prince made a lot of amazing music
Nov 27th 2017
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You seem to acknowledge Stevie, but who else do you think has
Nov 21st 2017
11
my GOATs include Q-Tip, Roy Ayers, Pharrell and others
Nov 21st 2017
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      Great list of legends
Nov 21st 2017
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what do you all think is the ideal current age range for a person that
Nov 21st 2017
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i'd say thru 52ish
Nov 21st 2017
18
considering my pops is a mega prince stan at 61
Nov 21st 2017
29
      Exactly. For folks that are in their 50s and 60s....
Nov 26th 2017
125
I wish I could...
Nov 21st 2017
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I knew you were suspeck
Nov 21st 2017
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      Says the mofo that can’t spell
Nov 21st 2017
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           pretty sure he did that on purpose
Nov 21st 2017
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                I know he did
Nov 21st 2017
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I'm a fan and old enough to have grown up in that era but I still feel l...
Nov 21st 2017
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But you understand why right?
Nov 21st 2017
26
I can honestly say that I've been doing a tribute party for about 8 year...
Nov 21st 2017
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I mean...I can only speak for me...
Nov 21st 2017
30
My mixes, cuh. He has a lot of weird album cuts, but his strong songs
Nov 21st 2017
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When Doves Cry has no baseline
Nov 21st 2017
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were the Dirty Mind organs innovative?
Nov 21st 2017
36
Olberheim Synthesizer
Nov 21st 2017
37
he used an OB-X which was difficult due to no pitch wheel
Nov 21st 2017
39
^^^^^
Nov 21st 2017
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Ive never liked a whole project of his
Nov 21st 2017
40
Cool
Nov 21st 2017
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Suspeck
Nov 21st 2017
55
Sounds about right
Nov 21st 2017
60
not even 1999 and Purple Rain?
Nov 22nd 2017
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      lol, at least all these loud and wrong niggas are consistent
Dec 04th 2017
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I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this.
Nov 21st 2017
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...fade to black.....produced by Dick Wolf....
Nov 21st 2017
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LOL!!!
Nov 26th 2017
126
RE: I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this.
Nov 21st 2017
46
im stans of Tribe and Prince...which makes your post weird to me
Nov 21st 2017
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      Yeah, I don’t get it
Nov 21st 2017
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           it's pretty simple
Nov 21st 2017
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                Yeah. I don’t get it
Nov 22nd 2017
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                turn the sensitivity down
Nov 22nd 2017
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                     Makes no sense
Nov 22nd 2017
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                          im not going to say it makes no sense.....its weird
Nov 22nd 2017
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                               RE: im not going to say it makes no sense.....its weird
Nov 24th 2017
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                                    right? typing all those words
Nov 27th 2017
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the end
Nov 24th 2017
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You can't deny that run man
Nov 21st 2017
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those influenced produce shows like
Nov 21st 2017
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if you didnt grow up in the 80s when that nigga and MJ was killing and
Nov 21st 2017
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https://youtu.be/6SFNW5F8K9Y?t=3m23s
Nov 21st 2017
61
the live performances
Nov 21st 2017
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RE: Explain the Prince phenomenon to me
Nov 21st 2017
63
It's like explaining Jim Brown, Ali, Jordan...etc.
Nov 21st 2017
64
he made great music in multiple genres over multiple eras
Nov 22nd 2017
66
Explain the Pharrell phenomenon to me.
Nov 22nd 2017
70
lets not slander other artist for the sake of Prince
Nov 22nd 2017
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Hello, I'm Dr. Claw. I've been throwing the Neps in the bushes since 199...
Nov 22nd 2017
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oh, ok.. LMAO
Nov 22nd 2017
77
slander?
Nov 22nd 2017
76
Explain the QTip phenomenon to me.
Nov 22nd 2017
73
suprised nobody threw dilla under the boltbus yet.
Nov 22nd 2017
79
nah
Nov 22nd 2017
81
he changed Hip-Hop and dominated a whole era with minimal sampling
Nov 22nd 2017
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      bro, at least 5 ppl have done the same in here
Nov 24th 2017
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           except that wasnt what happened at all
Nov 25th 2017
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Start with dude's Super Bowl performance
Nov 22nd 2017
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post-NPG, i was indifferent on him until i saw him live...
Nov 22nd 2017
83
NPG is where I started moving on from his releases
Nov 22nd 2017
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I didn't get it until I saw him live
Nov 22nd 2017
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Prince's sound is the sound of the 80s.
Nov 22nd 2017
88
How to explain the greatness of Prince?
Nov 22nd 2017
90
^^^the type of replies I was looking for
Nov 23rd 2017
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      RE: ^^^the type of replies I was looking for
Nov 24th 2017
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He makes good music. Artists are very influenced and copy him. The End
Nov 22nd 2017
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Dave Grohl said it best...
Nov 22nd 2017
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Let’s look at this closely
Nov 23rd 2017
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      RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 23rd 2017
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      RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 24th 2017
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           RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 24th 2017
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                RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 25th 2017
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                     RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 26th 2017
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      I mean this is true but he was world class in all those instruments
Nov 23rd 2017
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      RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 23rd 2017
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      RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 23rd 2017
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      RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 24th 2017
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           RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 24th 2017
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           RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 25th 2017
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                Prince released 9 albums in the 80's (under his name), PLUS produced...
Nov 30th 2017
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                RE: Let’s look at this closely
Dec 01st 2017
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                     RE: Let’s look at this closely
Dec 04th 2017
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                          RE: Let’s look at this closely
Dec 04th 2017
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           Your argument is you are not impressed because he is not
Nov 30th 2017
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                right? dude is prolly top 5 in all those categories... he ain't shit
Dec 04th 2017
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      RE: Let’s look at this closely
Nov 24th 2017
100
           Get off the crack my dude
Nov 24th 2017
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                RE: Get off the crack my dude
Nov 24th 2017
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                Nah. Hip Bopper is in the minority. Most folks know what time it is
Nov 24th 2017
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                RE: Get off the crack my dude
Nov 25th 2017
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                     RE: Get off the crack my dude
Nov 25th 2017
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                     So I know nothing about Prince
Nov 26th 2017
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                          RE: So I know nothing about Prince
Nov 26th 2017
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                               RE: So I know nothing about Prince
Nov 26th 2017
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                                    RE: So I know nothing about Prince
Dec 01st 2017
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                     RE: Get off the crack my dude
Dec 01st 2017
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                          RE: Get off the crack my dude
Dec 04th 2017
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                you should do a better job of posting then
Nov 24th 2017
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                     Nah fool
Nov 25th 2017
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you really HAD to be there...you just too young
Nov 23rd 2017
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RE: you really HAD to be there...you just too young
Dec 01st 2017
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A combination of things
Nov 25th 2017
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thank you
Nov 26th 2017
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      In that case, he gave us the "Parental Advisory" label as well
Nov 26th 2017
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He was someone who embodied vulnerability and gave zero fucks
Nov 26th 2017
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I saw him play every instrument on stage except horns
Nov 30th 2017
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There was a guy from Pittsburgh who played horns for Prince
Nov 30th 2017
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      LOL....nigga played a show and then hit an elbow jumper??? I love it!!
Nov 30th 2017
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           bruh, he popped one from the elbow and then did a guitar solo
Nov 30th 2017
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                damn thats swag.
Nov 30th 2017
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if it wasn't for the 80's then I'd say he was just a more talented versi...
Dec 01st 2017
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RE: if it wasn't for the 80's then I'd say he was just a more talented v...
Dec 01st 2017
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besides the 80's when else was Prince Great? please do tell?
Dec 01st 2017
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      if he only put out albums every 4 years....
Dec 01st 2017
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      Prince was shot after 87 and most say after 88
Dec 02nd 2017
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           After like 8 good-great albums? Who cares?
Dec 02nd 2017
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                8 good to great is all subjective
Dec 03rd 2017
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                     Lol, “subjective”....yeah, go with that
Dec 03rd 2017
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      RE: besides the 80's when else was Prince Great? please do tell?
Dec 02nd 2017
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           RE: besides the 80's when else was Prince Great? please do tell?
Dec 03rd 2017
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Negro please
Dec 01st 2017
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after 88: Batman, GB, D&P, Gold, Symbol, TRC
Dec 02nd 2017
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      RE: after 88: Batman, GB, D&P, Gold, Symbol, TRC
Dec 02nd 2017
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      lets see i'll start with Batman to Diamonds and pearls anmd onward
Dec 03rd 2017
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           Man, I forgot how funny Maxxx was
Sep 26th 2020
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      he wasn't being sweated after 88 except the kool aid drinkers
Dec 03rd 2017
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           wrong..Batman, DP, and GP went no.1..thanks for playing
Dec 03rd 2017
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                RE: wrong..Batman, DP, and GP went no.1..thanks for playing
Dec 03rd 2017
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                     RE: wrong..Batman, DP, and GP went no.1..thanks for playing
Dec 03rd 2017
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Fuck off. Needs someone to explain songs like Controversy, Pop Life........
Dec 03rd 2017
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basically
Dec 04th 2017
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which one of you was this obsessed with me
Sep 24th 2020
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Lmao.. they put you on blast.
Sep 25th 2020
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*pulls up in this thread bumpin Girls & Boys*
Sep 25th 2020
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I still don't fully get it. I refuse to place him above Stevie
Sep 25th 2020
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If you've put this much work and effort into listening and
Sep 25th 2020
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WTFFFFFFFFFFF
Sep 26th 2020
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I'm in both of these lines
Sep 26th 2020
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delete this.
Sep 26th 2020
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      It’s crazy..
Sep 26th 2020
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      I stopped talking about it much on here years ago because
Sep 26th 2020
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           I get the Dilla thing more than Prince
Sep 26th 2020
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legsdiamond
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1. "http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2016/04/anigif_enhan..."
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http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2016/04/anigif_enhanced-30842-1417675720-1.gif

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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2. "Maybe he's just not for you"
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4. "I mean.. if the world recognizes someone’s greatness"
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and you can’t see it. What can someone tell you that will make you get it?

Just admit you lack soul and KIM.

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atruhead
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5. "your reading comprehension levels are amazingly poor"
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Tue Nov-21-17 04:07 PM by atruhead

  

          

lol @ me lacking soul compared to you

  

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8. "Nigga I seen how you stand at hip hop shows"
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No soul

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atruhead
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13. "so your only purpose is to stir bullshit?"
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19. "oh, this wasn’t thread to stir bullshit? You are serious? "
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My bad

You answered your own question. You like 1999, Purple Rain and SOTT.

I’m sure you don’t like everything Stevie released. Some of his newer stuff was straight gahbage. Same with Prince.


But Parade my nigga? That shit is awesome.


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53. "yeah he's not for everybody."
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No need to fight that battle. Some people aren't weird enough to get Prince like that. You seem close and sometimes it takes effort, like it took a while, but I appreciate his pre purple rain run so much more. This might change, but I am in the 1999 was his best album part of my life, and it's a good place. It took a funk education to get here, but that album... oh and thanks legs for standing up for parade. It will never leave my top three. If it makes your u feel better op, I still am am trying to get Miles Davis, perhaps one day.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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3. "had to be there **shrugs**"
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granted i was a kid...i seen the effect he had on my older cousin n em's age

he was their heartthrob and he pushed the envelope

oh...and he was a talented musician

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6. "Im kind of asking how much of this stuff is timeless"
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I wasnt alive for Stevie Wonder but I went back and his 70s run is up there with my favorite music of all time

  

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45. "RE: Im kind of asking how much of this stuff is timeless"
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I mean that's how Prince's 80s run is for me, some of best of all time. I kind of feel the same on Stevie as you do on Prince, totally understand the talent, impact and everything, just don't feel like listening to his stuff very often.


also, Prince was one of the greatest showman's of all time in concert, glad I got to see him a few times. He's one of few artists I will watch concerts of on dvd or youtube cuz he was just a tremendous live artist.

  

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7. "I never *got* the Prince thing myself"
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He has a few joints that go, but overall I find his material doesn't speak to me. And the sex angle always seemed like a facade to me.

  

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9. "What you mean by facade?"
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I mean I am not about to defend his sexiness but THAT part of his appeal definitely wasn't for us and the women seem to get it.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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47. "TBH, I've long wondered if he was asexual..."
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...and all of the sexuality in his music was him exploring something that he didn't "get" on some level.

  

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65. "Lol wut? Breh was "getting" plenty of sex "
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89. "RE: TBH, I've long wondered if he was asexual..."
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SMH....lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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22. "lol"
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10. "lol"
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the fact that one can even make this poast speaks volumes for the state of OKP

  

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12. "Mods need to un-bann SoWhat so he and Legs can unite to battle"
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this lack of appreciation of Prince fuckery.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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14. "the power of Prince yo"
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28. "Wait. SoWhat is banned?"
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:-/

  

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34. "as far as anyone can gather..."
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if there was a formal announcement, I missed it. Then again, there has never been one for anyone else. Mofos didn't even realize Case was "band" til he came back.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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50. "Tends to happen when you threaten to murder people here. "
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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52. "lol"
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78. "lol"
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15. "sorry if you took anything I said as slander"
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I clearly asked to be educated, not looked down upon

  

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38. "lol not at all"
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I was merely imagining the dumpster fire this poast would've caused in the days of yore.

  

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51. "Don't now act like the OP wasn't full of snark and lightweight diss. "
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>I clearly asked to be educated, not looked down upon


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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57. "why are you so fucking weird?"
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all that happened was I've been listening to Prince's discography and all of it isnt hitting me the way it hits his super fans. So knowing his demographic posts here, I asked for clarification on the hoopla, even acknowledging that maybe it was a moment in time where I had to be there

you're going to have to search hard to find "snark" or a "dis" to anyone

  

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74. "The clinical term for this is "projecting" I believe. "
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As if I am the only one who detected snark and perceived the OP as a LIGHTWEIGHT diss.

This was not a "school me on Prince" post. This was a Prince seems overrated post (whether you meant for it to come off as such or not).



>all that happened was I've been listening to Prince's
>discography and all of it isnt hitting me the way it hits his
>super fans. So knowing his demographic posts here, I asked for
>clarification on the hoopla, even acknowledging that maybe it
>was a moment in time where I had to be there
>
>you're going to have to search hard to find "snark" or a "dis"
>to anyone


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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80. "right? especially on OKP. "
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I could see if it was a confession type post but how the hell you not understanding why the whole world went purple when Prince died?

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129. "i made the same post years ago. prince made a lot of amazing music"
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he also made a lot of fluff

if you have to "be there" for the music to be good....

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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130. "RE: i made the same post years ago. prince made a lot of amazing music"
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>he also made a lot of fluff
>
>if you have to "be there" for the music to be good....


Yeah...I think people mean well when they say "you have to be there" regarding Prince.....But that's not the case either...

Prince's legacy as the most gifted, prolific musical talent of his era is pretty much entrenched. If some folks don't see his overall impact, different strokes....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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11. "You seem to acknowledge Stevie, but who else do you think has"
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otherworldly talent and genius-level creative output?

Might help to understand what it is you do appreciate.


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20. "my GOATs include Q-Tip, Roy Ayers, Pharrell and others"
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Im aware Q-Tip and Pharrell's generation live and die by Prince

Basically Im tasking myself with brushing up on one legend's catalog each month

my list so far is:

Fela Kuti
Miles Davis
James Brown
Jimi Hendrix
The Isley Brothers
Earth Wind & Fire
Prince
The Ohio Players
Chaka Khan
and eventually I'll dive into P-Funk and their offshoots

  

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27. "Great list of legends"
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It's funny because as much as I love Q-Tip and Pharrell, I see them maybe as being 1/10th as talented as Prince. That's not a diss to those two, just a testament to Prince. Prince could just do so many things so well.

With lesser artist like Q-Tip and Pharrell that usually do one thing really well. Then they try to branch out and try other stuff and then you seem the limits of their skills. Like imagine if Pharrell or Q-Tip in addition to being great producers were also arguably top 10 singers, or piano or guitar players? That's what Prince is.


Part of appreciation of any legend is to understand the musical landscape before they arrived, see the immediate impact that they have on music, and then see the lasting impact they have on music. I get it for Prince because I was there for that.

The way you feel about Prince is probably how I feel about the Rolling Stones.


>Im aware Q-Tip and Pharrell's generation live and die by
>Prince
>
>Basically Im tasking myself with brushing up on one legend's
>catalog each month
>
>my list so far is:
>
>Fela Kuti
>Miles Davis
>James Brown
>Jimi Hendrix
>The Isley Brothers
>Earth Wind & Fire
>Prince
>The Ohio Players
>Chaka Khan
>and eventually I'll dive into P-Funk and their offshoots


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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16. "what do you all think is the ideal current age range for a person that"
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"gets it".

they were there during most of the moments, they lived through the run.

what's the range? 38-48?

  

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18. "i'd say thru 52ish"
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basically Gen X

he is a symbol of gen x


like the Breakfast club, Madonna, and arcade games

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29. "considering my pops is a mega prince stan at 61"
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and pretty much everyone i know around his age is. lets gone head and bump that range up way way more.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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125. "Exactly. For folks that are in their 50s and 60s...."
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....Prince came out when they were in their teens and 20s. My mama was 24 going on 25 when Prince's first album dropped. She's now in her 60s. That age range definitely needs to be raised for Prince's demographic.



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17. "I wish I could..."
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but I can’t!!!!!

I never saw why a majority of folks got into him all like that.

Y’all can choose to debate all you want to, but y’all will come up short.

  

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21. "I knew you were suspeck"
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23. "Says the mofo that can’t spell"
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25. "pretty sure he did that on purpose"
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33. "I know he did "
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24. "I'm a fan and old enough to have grown up in that era but I still feel l..."
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a lot of the people are over the top with it especially right after he died there was a "Prince tribute" party every week and even now over a year later it seems like there's one at least once a month lol

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26. "But you understand why right?"
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It’s not like Prince was on his death bed.

I was never a huge MJ fan but I understood why he was the King.

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31. "I can honestly say that I've been doing a tribute party for about 8 year..."
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We gotta give these people their flowers man..




Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




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30. "I mean...I can only speak for me..."
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But to keep it short, alot of what he was doing was seriously unconventional...especially for a "black artist"

Nobody else was making music like him, and I enjoyed the challenge a new album brought.

Most of the time we ended up with classics...sometimes we didnt. But even on the records that I didnt like so much (Diamonds and Pearls), there were still gems like "Strollin'" and "Money Don't Matter Tonight".

I ant even gonna mention his live shows...but he was the best live performer* of his generation (in my opinion, so please miss me the Michael Jackson "entertainer" stuff).

He was just..not someone you could put in a box..he didnt do funk/r&b/soul/rock/pop...He did Prince music.




Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




http://soundcloud.com/rayandersonjr

  

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32. "My mixes, cuh. He has a lot of weird album cuts, but his strong songs"
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35. "When Doves Cry has no baseline"
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harmony singing on Saviour
high neck notes on Controversey
Outro on Purple Rain
Only two chords are played on Starfish and Coffee
Complexity of trying to play 3 Chains o’ Gold
Lyrical Density of Ronnie, Talk to Russia
Have you ever tried to read the lyrics to When Doves Cry just off a sheet of paper...try one day

And live performance

i could go on....thats just off the top of the dome

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
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36. "were the Dirty Mind organs innovative?"
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I would probably take a free course on his music

  

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37. "Olberheim Synthesizer"
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Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




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39. "he used an OB-X which was difficult due to no pitch wheel"
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its used levers...which he used like guitar *head explodes*
so yes it was innovative

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54. "^^^^^"
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40. "Ive never liked a whole project of his "
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41. "Cool"
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Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




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55. "Suspeck"
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60. "Sounds about right"
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87. "not even 1999 and Purple Rain?"
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163. "lol, at least all these loud and wrong niggas are consistent"
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smh

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42. "I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this."
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>but how much of it is nostalgic value from people who were
>there? Im willing to wager 25-30%

Nah. People (self included) were just as crazy about him before he died.

>some people take it to extra weird levels (Parade and Around
>The World In A Day aren't timeless to me)

Extra weird levels? That's the very definition of snark. Let's not be coy about it. That said, if the entire world -- irrespective of age, race, economics, culture -- is 'going crazy,' (your words) just accept that you don't get it and you might not ever which is totally fine. It doesn't make anyone weird because, you -- an outlier by your own admission -- don't get it. That actually makes *you* weird.

  

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43. "...fade to black.....produced by Dick Wolf...."
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Bottoms up....and the devil laughs..




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126. "LOL!!! "
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Since 1976

  

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46. "RE: I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this."
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>>but how much of it is nostalgic value from people who were
>>there? Im willing to wager 25-30%
>
>Nah. People (self included) were just as crazy about him
>before he died.

is there a possibility 70-75% of it was because of the music and the rest was some cultish thing I missed out on?

>>some people take it to extra weird levels (Parade and Around
>>The World In A Day aren't timeless to me)

>Extra weird levels? That's the very definition of snark. Let's
>not be coy about it.

I didnt mean it in a snarky way. I mean obsessing over the vaults, wearing Prince pins, swearing he never had a subpar song in his classic era, going to multiple concerts in the same week (all things my relatives have been guilty of), for me that's a different level of fandom

That said, if the entire world --
>irrespective of age, race, economics, culture -- is 'going
>crazy,' (your words) just accept that you don't get it and you
>might not ever which is totally fine.

going crazy just meant "in a frenzy", Im that way about A Tribe Called Quest and a few other acts and I'd gladly explain it to someone who was interested

again, my ear for music understands his music even if I cant fully grasp the context of when it was released. this post was more so asking where the frenzy stemmed from. apologies if I offended







  

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48. "im stans of Tribe and Prince...which makes your post weird to me"
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56. "Yeah, I don’t get it"
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If you stan for Tribe how can you ask how/why folk stan for Prince?

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58. "it's pretty simple"
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>If you stan for Tribe how can you ask how/why folk stan for
>Prince?

one artist was my coming of age music
one artist was before that

I never said "Prince is bad" or "I dont like Prince", I asked to be educated. apologies for thinking people we had normal functioning adults on here

  

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67. "Yeah. I don’t get it"
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asking to be educated on why folks stan for Prince when you stan for Tribe is just... weird.

Then you had the nerve to call some people extra weird for being stans is just... weird.

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68. "turn the sensitivity down"
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>one artist was my coming of age music
>one artist was before that

i still dont understand...the attention to detail in music Tribe had is the same that Prince had
im similar age to you
the parallels between Prince, Pharrell and Qtip (who are my holy trinity) are uncanny
and a step beyond that...the influence of Prince on the other two are frightening clear
i think growing up on Tribe may have desensitized you to Prince
I grew up on Tribe
I came to Prince really late (2006-07)
I could not believe what i had missed
it was almost like hearing dilla too late
iono

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
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69. "Makes no sense "
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71. "im not going to say it makes no sense.....its weird"
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first appearance of Tip was on a prince sample (Controversy)
4 bar count intro for Pharrell is a ode to prince (Starfish and Coffee)

i understand it a bit...but then dont which makes it weird
makes some sense

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106. "RE: im not going to say it makes no sense.....its weird"
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>first appearance of Tip was on a prince sample (Controversy)
>4 bar count intro for Pharrell is a ode to prince (Starfish
>and Coffee)
>
>i understand it a bit...but then dont which makes it weird
>makes some sense


It is indeed weird....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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131. "right? typing all those words "
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instead of just calling it weird.

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110. "the end"
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44. "You can't deny that run man"
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He had critical and cultural acclaim, pushed sexual boundries, a hit movie, and that nigga's hands were all over hits in the 80's that ain't have his name like The Time, Sheena Easton, The Bangles, Sinead O'Connor, etc.

In recent times its like the Neptunes's production/songwriting run.......while being top pop megastars themselves.


It took me a long time to come around (which is why I never saw him live even though i had hella chances to do so) but I always respected that run man. Its rare to have a number one pop songs, have music critics on ya dick (who usually abhor anything pop) AND live that classic larger then life rock star move.

His jersey goes in the rafters

  

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49. "those influenced produce shows like"
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Duat
http://sohorep.org/duat
and events
http://sohorep.org/feed-teach-in-event

a touchtone for many seeking acceptance then and now

esp. teens whose stories I can not tell but I did witness...

  

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59. "if you didnt grow up in the 80s when that nigga and MJ was killing and"
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you cant appreciate him now being you aint from that era. He just aint for you bruh.. dont question it, just accept it.

yupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyup

  

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61. "https://youtu.be/6SFNW5F8K9Y?t=3m23s"
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https://youtu.be/6SFNW5F8K9Y?t=3m23s


up there with legends. And he absolutely STUNTS on them.




Wasn't just that he played every instrument. He is up there as one of the GOAT guitarists.

  

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62. "the live performances"
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seeing him perform live in the 80s and 90s in his prime, was an event

when he came out it was post funk pre hip hop

so other than Rick James, he was the one that embodied the rock n roll bad boy rebel freedom spirit in the 80s, for black kids

for me though, i was a fan from the start and it was always just about the music,

dude

  

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63. "RE: Explain the Prince phenomenon to me"
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I love prince... so imma say that first..

In all honesty.. the 80s pop stannery is because of all the rivals around at rhe time..

Prince came the fuck outta nowhere to challenge the king of pop at almost every turn.

w/o MJ prince might not have the stannery...

But he figured out a way to represent everything Mike wasnt.. he colored outside the lines in a way that represented true freedom to many people.

In modern times similar arguements could be made that no 50 cent... no kanye.. no cheif keef.. no chance

People gotta pick teams.. he represented a lot

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64. "It's like explaining Jim Brown, Ali, Jordan...etc."
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Transformative athletes. Right now every third string running back in the NFL is stronger and faster than Jim Brown, but in is time Jim Brown was untouchable...so untouchable that the whole league had to step its game up. High school players can replicate Jordan's dunks now...but at the time Jordan dunking was amazing. People consider him the GOAT for his intangibles and his impact on the game.

Prince basically change popular music as we know it. I was in elementary school pre-Prince and pre-Hip-hop, so I remember how homogenous music was. Even the greats like Stevie or MJ were just exceptional versions of standard R&B and dance music. Prince and rap music hit about the same time and both took Black popular music in several different directions.

Prince's influence was undeniable. He changed the game. So yes part of it is nostaglia, but mostly it's respecting how important is talent was.

  

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66. "he made great music in multiple genres over multiple eras"
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while writing, playing every instrument, and giving killer performances. Plus, dude just bounced across genres in a way that we'll most likely never see again in a pop star. Dude is on the shortlist for greatest American musical artist, ever.

I think if you came of age in an era where hip-hop is your formative music (especially after 89 or so), Prince might be a tougher get for you. Unless you're a producer/beatmaker...cuz producers tend to have more sophisticated ears. His music generally ain't bottom-heavy/bass-led like post-hip-hop pop. That can be a barrier for some folks

  

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70. "Explain the Pharrell phenomenon to me."
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72. "lets not slander other artist for the sake of Prince"
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75. "Hello, I'm Dr. Claw. I've been throwing the Neps in the bushes since 199..."
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when "Superthug" was inexplicably a hit in the era of NYC faux-populism

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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77. "oh, ok.. LMAO"
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76. "slander? "
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I don't think that was his intention.

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73. "Explain the QTip phenomenon to me."
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79. "suprised nobody threw dilla under the boltbus yet."
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81. "nah"
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forget it. at most people on here shit on folks who prolly only appreciated Dilla AFTER he passed.

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85. "he changed Hip-Hop and dominated a whole era with minimal sampling"
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fully produced projects for The Clipse, Kelis, N.E.R.D and himself
big hits for pop stars, rap stars and everyone from Beenie Man to ODB
the Neptunes might be Hip-Hop's answer to Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

(see how I answered that without being snide and dismissive?)

  

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111. "bro, at least 5 ppl have done the same in here"
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they answered your question exactly like you answered Claws

yet when they did it you replied with, "but did I HAVE TO BE THERE, to understand this musical range, this genius, this talent..."


  

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113. "except that wasnt what happened at all"
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I've been pretty gracious for the well articulated answers

people trying to make the post into bullshit have been ignored or replied to in kind

  

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82. "Start with dude's Super Bowl performance"
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Dude was a SUPREME performer.

Also, he built up a mystique about himself during a 40 year period during which the veil was being lifted on just about every celebrity to the point where everyone's basically giving away their lives. Prince stories were always on the fringes and passed around, but never propagated by the man himself.

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83. "post-NPG, i was indifferent on him until i saw him live..."
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about four years ago when played with 3rdeyegirl. he had a ban on phones/cameras, so there wasn't any distractions. so organic. epic show.

but yeah, was really into the his new power generation stuff in the early 90's.

  

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84. "NPG is where I started moving on from his releases"
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I was disappointed with Diamonds and Pearls. Get Off was funky but it was around the time that rap was entering a golden era and Prince went from hating rap to having cheesy rap on some of his songs.

That run from the late 70’s thru the 80’s tho?

When Doves Cry dropped it changed everything.

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86. "I didn't get it until I saw him live "
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once the music hit and he started doing his thing, I was hooked. so much so that I saw him again a week later and was just as impressed.

he was a spectacular entertainer and surrounded himself with energetic and passionate people.

  

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88. "Prince's sound is the sound of the 80s."
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His whole vibe changed the look and sound of damn near every major artist in that decade.


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90. "How to explain the greatness of Prince? "
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I posted this a LOOOOOOONG time ago on the Lesson. It's a long ass read, but here ya go......


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If you are talking about the most complete/talented popular artist of all time....It's Prince by a mile....

Yes, it's been said time and time again (that he did a variety of things well)...But hey, it's true.....Sure, there were more expansive songwriters (Stevie, Dylan); better vocalist (70's and '80s MJ, Luther...); more impactful on black culture (James Brown); slightly more diverse producers (Quincy, '80s Jam & Lewis) and better musicians (Eddie Van Halen, Jimi, Miles, Coletrane ect...)

But Prince beats them all by being able to give a nod to all of their musical strengths....

You want to know why people say that Prince only had one great decade of music? That's because the decade he produced his best music in was so prolific and had never been seen before...

You need proof? Prince managed to have a string of great/landmark albums (Dirty Mind, 1999, PR, Parade, SOTT) that rival all of the greats (Beatles, Dylan, Miles, Stevie, Sly, Elton John, Marvin, Bowie..ect...) and then had the nerve to create his own musical universe where he could be a hardcore funk band (The Time); a censorship destroying menace (Vanity 6); a post jazz-funk troupe (Madhouse); a girly pop songwriter (The Bangles); a under-the-cut rock player-musician (Stevie Nick's "Stand Back")...and then for shits and giggles a dude who wrote songs for everyone from teen idols (Tevin Campbell) to church wailers (Patti Labelle)....

Again, it's the genre-jumping that is most impressive...Yes, Lionel did it with some of his songwrting (his country work with Kenny Rogers), but he wasn't as obsessed or prolific as Prince in terms of songwriting...

MJ's greatness was always in his groundbreaking success...In other words, MJ's music itself was rarely about challenging his listeners (I think "Stranger In Moscow" is that one song that goes beyond being a GREAT dance/pop hit); When we mostly talk about MJ's groundbreaking contributions it usually pertains to his videos which took music to a TOTALLY DIFFERENT PLACE and how he changed the whole dynamic of how albums could be sold and promoted to the mass public....MJ simply obliterated any ideas of a what a pop artist could be...He was bigger than Jesus (RIP John)

It's about the fact that MJ was able to crossover in such a unimaginable way and TOTALLY re-write the book on what a musical performer could be)

MJ'S OVERALL game-changing success is his true brilliance...He's the biggest musical act we will ever see...There's no other way to say it...

This is why Prince remains the most complete artist in popular music history...At certain points in his career, he has strived to make the serious, thought provoking musical statements on par with Dylan, Stevie, Smokey and Joni; offer the same stage performing greatness as JB; make fearless genre-crossing music that manages to become a sound all his own as Sly Stone was able to do; demonstrate some pillow talk and fuck your women like Marvin; showcase his rock god street cred in the wildman mode of Jimi and flex his musicianship and band leader skills like he was the twisted, stripped down, modern day pop star version of Duke Ellington; revel in the freedom of underground obscurity (Frank Zappa) and showcase the guts, ambition and will in his attempt to become the biggest pop star on the planet during the Purple Rain era just as MJ had did two years before with Thriller...

This^^^is some other shit....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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93. "^^^the type of replies I was looking for"
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thanks

  

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107. "RE: ^^^the type of replies I was looking for"
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>thanks



*tips cap*.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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91. "He makes good music. Artists are very influenced and copy him. The End"
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It's not that deep

  

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92. "Dave Grohl said it best..."
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"Prince is better than everyone at everything and everyone knows it..."

or something like that

  

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94. "Let’s look at this closely"
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>"Prince is better than everyone at everything and everyone
>knows it..."
>
>or something like that

On guitar: no way he’s seeing Jimi, Vaughn, Mc Laughlin just to name a few.

On bass: no way he’s seeing Pastorius, Clarke, or Miller to name a few.

On electric piano: no way he’s seeing Corea, Hancock, Charles, Stevie.

On drums: look he’s not touching Quest let alone anyone else I would name.

His NEWS album which was a jazz album isn’t even a top 100 jazz record.

  

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95. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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>>"Prince is better than everyone at everything and everyone
>>knows it..."
>>
>>or something like that
>
>On guitar: no way he’s seeing Jimi, Vaughn, Mc Laughlin
>just to name a few.
>
>On bass: no way he’s seeing Pastorius, Clarke, or Miller to
>name a few.
>
>On electric piano: no way he’s seeing Corea, Hancock,
>Charles, Stevie.
>
>On drums: look he’s not touching Quest let alone anyone
>else I would name.
>
>His NEWS album which was a jazz album isn’t even a top 100
>jazz record.

lol, ok, so he's not the best at any one thing, but no one has done as many things at a top level as Prince ever, musicianship, songwriting, performance, different genres, and he did it over and over again.

Plus I wouldn't compare him musicianship wise with jazz or classical musicians that's just another whole level and space.

But at his best on guitar i think he undeniably reached rock god yoda status.

dude

  

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102. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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>lol, ok, so he's not the best at any one thing, but no one has
>done as many things at a top level as Prince ever,
>musicianship, songwriting, performance, different genres, and
>he did it over and over again.
>

His songwriting ability is his best attribute.


>Plus I wouldn't compare him musicianship wise with jazz or
>classical musicians that's just another whole level and space.
>

Why not when we are discussing Prince the musician?


>
>But at his best on guitar i think he undeniably reached rock
>god yoda status.
>

Okay you are gonna put him on the level with Jimi, Stevie Ray, and Santana?

  

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108. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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>>lol, ok, so he's not the best at any one thing, but no one
>has
>>done as many things at a top level as Prince ever,
>>musicianship, songwriting, performance, different genres,
>and
>>he did it over and over again.
>>
>
>His songwriting ability is his best attribute.
>
>
>>Plus I wouldn't compare him musicianship wise with jazz or
>>classical musicians that's just another whole level and
>space.
>>
>
>Why not when we are discussing Prince the musician?
>
>

Because he wasn’t a jazz musician, he had different goals.


>>
>>But at his best on guitar i think he undeniably reached rock
>>god yoda status.
>>
>
>Okay you are gonna put him on the level with Jimi, Stevie Ray,
>and Santana?

Santana yeah, but the other two were as great as it gets.

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115. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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He tried his hand and jazz too though, but okay we won’t compare him to jazz musicians I guess.

No way he can see Santana. He is close to being one of the greatest guitarists himself. He sure was playing just as good as Mc Laughlin was on Love Devotion Surrender.

  

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>He tried his hand and jazz too though, but okay we won’t
>compare him to jazz musicians I guess.
>
>No way he can see Santana. He is close to being one of the
>greatest guitarists himself. He sure was playing just as good
>as Mc Laughlin was on Love Devotion Surrender.

Yeah that’s true, maybe, but for me when we start talking about great musicians, there are different things I like about each one. Prince has cited Santana as one of his main guitar influences., so he’d probably say Santana was better

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If you are in the top 95th percentile of all time greats on various instruments that kinda makes you special does it not? They call that a 5 tool player in baseball. Prince wont hit the most home runs but wins games. He isnt breaking Ricky Henderson's stolen base record but he has execellent baserunning IQ and he advances runners. How are these baseball references going for you?

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98. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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Thu Nov-23-17 07:55 PM by murph71

          

>>"Prince is better than everyone at everything and everyone
>>knows it..."
>>
>>or something like that
>
>On guitar: no way he’s seeing Jimi, Vaughn, Mc Laughlin
>just to name a few.
>
>On bass: no way he’s seeing Pastorius, Clarke, or Miller to
>name a few.
>
>On electric piano: no way he’s seeing Corea, Hancock,
>Charles, Stevie.
>
>On drums: look he’s not touching Quest let alone anyone
>else I would name.
>
>His NEWS album which was a jazz album isn’t even a top 100
>jazz record.

The point might have went over your head. It's not whether Prince plays well as Jimi, etc....It's the fact that he is devastatingly good on ALL of those instruments....Hell, he probably is the most diverse guitar player of his era. Dude could play a Jimi joint note for note...then Santana....then folk acoustic...then James Brown licks.....He did whatever he wanted on guitar....

Bottom line...as someone else said, Prince was a world class talent in all of this instruments (his piano playing remains his most underrated skill...)

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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And if we got a full Piano and Microphone tour, the world would have seen another facet of him they never knew. It would have been the hottest tour of the year on all the Entertainment websites. *sigh* I'm getting sad again.
>
>Bottom line...as someone else said, Prince was a world class
>talent in all of this instruments (his piano playing remains
>his most underrated skill...)

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103. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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It didn’t go over my head. When people make the claim that he can play these instruments better than other musicians then that’s what I’m speaking to.

If an musician/artist is well versed on the guitar they can play multiple licks as well. You don’t think Santana could do the same thing?

What “era” are you saying that he’s the GOAT of?

  

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104. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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>It didn’t go over my head. When people make the claim that
>he can play these instruments better than other musicians then
>that’s what I’m speaking to.

No one, but the most Purple-est of heads has ever said that Prince was a more superior guitarist than Jimi, etc. They are merely saying that he was able to hold his own weight against the greats. He could play note for note with those guys....

Sounds like you are straw-manning it a bit....


>If an musician/artist is well versed on the guitar they can
>play multiple licks as well. You don’t think Santana could
>do the same thing?

No...I don't (and not Santana specifically). We all know that some guitarists play lead better than rhythm and vice versa. Also, in terms of playing various styles, I've heard Jimmy Page attempt to play James Brown style licks on Led Zep's "The Crunge"...It was OK...But there was no swing...No chicken grease....)

What made Prince special was that he jumped to the whitest of musical genres (On Dirty Mind he was doing the type of WHITE new wave synth driven rock and guitar riffs that the Cars or Missing Persons were playing...).

And then Prince could jump right back into a heavy FUNK song like "Head" like it was nothing. Most of his white rock peers could not do that. And most of black music peers were not trying to make a new wave rock song like "When You Were Mine..."

>What “era” are you saying that he’s the GOAT of?

The '80s. And again....This is not just about Prince being able to play a variety of instruments very well. I mean, Ray Parker Jr. usually played everything on his own albums and no one is calling HIM one of the GOATS. What made Prince so exceptional as a musician was that he could walk into the studio literally by himself and walk right out with a 1999 or Sign O The Times. It would be comparable to Stevie Wonder playing every instrument on Songs In The Key of Life. But Stevie wasn't as obsessed with doing it ALL on his own records. He recruited some of the best musicians of the day.

Prince, for more times better (than worse) wanted to prove how much of a bad ass he was on EVERYTHING......And he often did when it came to his recording output...

Basically, what I'm saying is Prince was all of his influences in one. He was the most talented "popular" musician of his era.

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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116. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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In the 80’s in which you say that Prince was the best of his era. What about MJ in the 80’s? I will say that as far as pop culture in the 80’s are concerned... Prince may have had the edge in musicianship. It is hard to say best of the 80’s because of MJ and the Thriller album pretty much dominated that time period along with his song We Are the World. Plus on top of all of the pop music of that era all of those artists had to deal with hip hop Run-D.M.C. and LL in particular. Later in the 80’s it was Public Enemy and NWA who were the highest in popularity. Also what about the Boss? Springsteen had a huge cult following during that time period.

Your thoughts and views on all of this?

  

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137. "Prince released 9 albums in the 80's (under his name), PLUS produced..."
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Full albums for The Time, Sheila E, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6 & Madhouse. He also starred in two feature films, and released a concert movie as well. Conversely, Michael Jackson released 2 albums during the entire decade.

>In the 80’s in which you say that Prince was the best of
>his era. What about MJ in the 80’s? I will say that as far
>as pop culture in the 80’s are concerned... Prince may have
>had the edge in musicianship. It is hard to say best of the
>80’s because of MJ and the Thriller album pretty much
>dominated that time period along with his song We Are the
>World. Plus on top of all of the pop music of that era all of
>those artists had to deal with hip hop Run-D.M.C. and LL in
>particular. Later in the 80’s it was Public Enemy and NWA
>who were the highest in popularity. Also what about the Boss?
> Springsteen had a huge cult following during that time
>period.
>
>Your thoughts and views on all of this?


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140. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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>In the 80’s in which you say that Prince was the best of
>his era. What about MJ in the 80’s? I will say that as far
>as pop culture in the 80’s are concerned... Prince may have
>had the edge in musicianship. It is hard to say best of the
>80’s because of MJ and the Thriller album pretty much
>dominated that time period along with his song We Are the
>World. Plus on top of all of the pop music of that era all of
>those artists had to deal with hip hop Run-D.M.C. and LL in
>particular. Later in the 80’s it was Public Enemy and NWA
>who were the highest in popularity. Also what about the Boss?
> Springsteen had a huge cult following during that time
>period.
>
>Your thoughts and views on all of this?


MJ was culturally more impactful than Prince....Mike was Coca Cola...Kids had Michael Jackson B-Day parties....This tends to happen when you play to the Mom and Pop crowd...Mike literally released an album narrating an ET album. He visited Ronald Reagan's White House. Even with his greatness (and MJ was GREAT...larger than life) Michael Jackson was viewed as very safe by '80s Conservative America...

Let's just say Prince wasn't about that shit...lol....He literally sparked explicit warning labels on records (Tipper Gore freaked out when she heard "Darling Nikki"....) ...Dude was cultural outlaw in high heels....

But......(BIG BUT).....

Musically? Prince owned the '80s....Over everyone from Bruce to Whitney to MJ, ect....

Folks can bring up record sales all they want. But the "Prince sound" (Minneapolis sound) dominated music and radio for much of the decade until New Jack Swing came through in the late '80s...No one was trying to "sound" like the Boss....But they were copying Prince's sound, groove, instrumentation, keyboard patches, etc....

There are too many artists to name....But if it wasn't Prince himself all over the radio it was everyone from Ready For The World to Kashif and Solar Records, Human League to Janet Jackson (who do you think schooled Jam & Lewis?) to Stevie Nicks ("Stand Back") to Duran Duran to even mid '80s Cure, late '80s Depeche Mode, etc....R&B music was so Prince-a-fied it became a running punchline as to whether or not Prince had his hand in the production.

MJ's influence "musically" was in his presentation. No one wasn't trying to "sound" like Thriller or Bad. But they were mimicking MJ's videos....

That's why Prince was such a force in the '80s. MJ was Disney...Grandma and the kids LOVED MJ...Prince was an x-rated film.....The fact that he had such an impact mainstream wise musically and culturally is a miracle....Dude was releasing solo albums at a furious path while at the same time writing and producing hits for other acts (The Time, Sheila E, Patti Labelle, Tevin Campbell, ect...) dropping movies, writing songs and playing on records for the likes of the Bangels and (again) Stevie Nicks...and getting his songs covered for massive hits by Sinead O'Connor....

Nah.. man...it's no contest....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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164. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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>MJ was culturally more impactful than Prince....Mike was Coca
>Cola...Kids had Michael Jackson B-Day parties....This tends to
>happen when you play to the Mom and Pop crowd...Mike literally
>released an album narrating an ET album. He visited Ronald
>Reagan's White House. Even with his greatness (and MJ was
>GREAT...larger than life) Michael Jackson was viewed as very
>safe by '80s Conservative America...
>
>Let's just say Prince wasn't about that shit...lol....He
>literally sparked explicit warning labels on records (Tipper
>Gore freaked out when she heard "Darling Nikki"....) ...Dude
>was cultural outlaw in high heels....
>

True... Prince was trying to be different and not have the commercial success that MJ had, but in that I think that he lost out to MJ because of the impact that Mike had over everything during that time in music.

>But......(BIG BUT).....
>
>Musically? Prince owned the '80s....Over everyone from Bruce
>to Whitney to MJ, ect....
>
>Folks can bring up record sales all they want. But the "Prince
>sound" (Minneapolis sound) dominated music and radio for much
>of the decade until New Jack Swing came through in the late
>'80s...No one was trying to "sound" like the Boss....But they
>were copying Prince's sound, groove, instrumentation, keyboard
>patches, etc....
>

Don’t know if you can put Whitney in the class because while she dominated as a vocalist she didn’t have what MJ or Prince had in terms of influence.

Even though no one was trying to sound like the Boss... dude has a huge cult following. I never got into him, but the amount of people that do was very shocking to me.



>There are too many artists to name....But if it wasn't Prince
>himself all over the radio it was everyone from Ready For The
>World to Kashif and Solar Records, Human League to Janet
>Jackson (who do you think schooled Jam & Lewis?) to Stevie
>Nicks ("Stand Back") to Duran Duran to even mid '80s Cure,
>late '80s Depeche Mode, etc....R&B music was so Prince-a-fied
>it became a running punchline as to whether or not Prince had
>his hand in the production.
>

Right and he kept that on lock for the most part.

>MJ's influence "musically" was in his presentation. No one
>wasn't trying to "sound" like Thriller or Bad. But they were
>mimicking MJ's videos....
>

Not only that, but as far as dancing goes he had the same effect on artists that came after him that James Brown had on Mike.


>That's why Prince was such a force in the '80s. MJ was
>Disney...Grandma and the kids LOVED MJ...Prince was an x-rated
>film.....The fact that he had such an impact mainstream wise
>musically and culturally is a miracle....Dude was releasing
>solo albums at a furious path while at the same time writing
>and producing hits for other acts (The Time, Sheila E, Patti
>Labelle, Tevin Campbell, ect...) dropping movies, writing
>songs and playing on records for the likes of the Bangels and
>(again) Stevie Nicks...and getting his songs covered for
>massive hits by Sinead O'Connor....
>
>Nah.. man...it's no contest....

This is all true, but in terms of how he stacked up against hip hop as a whole what is your assessment of that. While Prince, MJ, Boss, Van Halen were all large... was anyone bigger than Run-D.M.C. or LL?

  

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166. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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>This is all true, but in terms of how he stacked up against
>hip hop as a whole what is your assessment of that. While
>Prince, MJ, Boss, Van Halen were all large... was anyone
>bigger than Run-D.M.C. or LL?


Prince wasn't worried about hip-hop until the early '90s. At the time of his prime '80s commercial run he viewed it as a nuance more than anything else (a mistake that would come back to bite him.) But yeah...Prince was still selling more records than hip-hop acts in the '80s and still had a bigger cultural impact...

The one hip-hop act that threatened Prince was NWA. And it was less about record sales and more about Eazy and the boys diminishing some of the danger that was part of the Prince mystique. But that's another conversation....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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134. "Your argument is you are not impressed because he is not"
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"literally the greatest" at every instrument or catergory.

You are stuck on our hyperbole but the point is the dude is GREAT at almost every role in music-making. Who else can you describe like that?



>It didn’t go over my head. When people make the claim that
>he can play these instruments better than other musicians then
>that’s what I’m speaking to.
>
>If an musician/artist is well versed on the guitar they can
>play multiple licks as well. You don’t think Santana could
>do the same thing?
>
>What “era” are you saying that he’s the GOAT of?


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167. "right? dude is prolly top 5 in all those categories... he ain't shit"
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100. "RE: Let’s look at this closely"
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>>"Prince is better than everyone at everything and everyone
>>knows it..."
>>
>>or something like that
>
>On guitar: no way he’s seeing Jimi, Vaughn, Mc Laughlin
>just to name a few.

yes, he is.

>On bass: no way he’s seeing Pastorius, Clarke, or Miller to
>name a few.

yes, he is.

>On electric piano: no way he’s seeing Corea, Hancock,
>Charles, Stevie.

yes, he is.

>On drums: look he’s not touching Quest let alone anyone
>else I would name.

yes, he is.

and the fact that you think you can just say so let's me know you haven't listened to much beyond the standards. i ain't saying he better, but not "touching" is a dead giveaway.

>His NEWS album which was a jazz album isn’t even a top 100
>jazz record.

who gives a fuck? he made a shits and giggles jazz fusion album that got a grammy nom. did bowie do that? did stevie?

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Nah.....Basa is pretty much right.

Your dismissive tone of Prince as a musician is indeed a dead giveaway...

Even world class musicians who are known for their specific greatness on their chosen instrument have given it up to Prince as a great instrumentalist....

But hey..I get it. Prince's charisma as a showman and performer had some folks thinking that he was just a great song and dance man....When the truth is he could do James Brown splits while he played the guitar rhythm to "Cold Sweat" like he was in the studio with Maceo and them....

If Prince was white a lot more people would have viewed him more than just a great performer or songwriter....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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118. "RE: Get off the crack my dude"
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>Nah.....Basa is pretty much right.
>
>Your dismissive tone of Prince as a musician is indeed a dead
>giveaway...
>

Here is where you guys are missing my point. Once again the argument is made that he can play all of these instruments better than everyone else. Prince can play, but not better than those guys. Guitar is his strongest instrument out of all that he plays.


>Even world class musicians who are known for their specific
>greatness on their chosen instrument have given it up to
>Prince as a great instrumentalist....
>
>But hey..I get it. Prince's charisma as a showman and
>performer had some folks thinking that he was just a great
>song and dance man....When the truth is he could do James
>Brown splits while he played the guitar rhythm to "Cold Sweat"
>like he was in the studio with Maceo and them....
>

I never viewed him as a song and dance man. As I have said in our other conversation. His songwriting ability is what has made him the artist that he was in pop culture. He wrote a lot of songs in that era for himself and others. Guitar was next in line in terms of musicianship.


>If Prince was white a lot more people would have viewed him
>more than just a great performer or songwriter....

I disagree with this. Plenty of people view him as a great artist and musician. That spans across all cultures.

  

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119. "RE: Get off the crack my dude"
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>>Nah.....Basa is pretty much right.
>>
>>Your dismissive tone of Prince as a musician is indeed a
>dead
>>giveaway...
>>
>
>Here is where you guys are missing my point. Once again the
>argument is made that he can play all of these instruments
>better than everyone else. Prince can play, but not better
>than those guys. Guitar is his strongest instrument out of
>all that he plays.
>
>
>>Even world class musicians who are known for their specific
>>greatness on their chosen instrument have given it up to
>>Prince as a great instrumentalist....
>>
>>But hey..I get it. Prince's charisma as a showman and
>>performer had some folks thinking that he was just a great
>>song and dance man....When the truth is he could do James
>>Brown splits while he played the guitar rhythm to "Cold
>Sweat"
>>like he was in the studio with Maceo and them....
>>
>
>I never viewed him as a song and dance man. As I have said in
>our other conversation. His songwriting ability is what has
>made him the artist that he was in pop culture. He wrote a
>lot of songs in that era for himself and others. Guitar was
>next in line in terms of musicianship.
>
>
>>If Prince was white a lot more people would have viewed him
>>more than just a great performer or songwriter....
>
>I disagree with this. Plenty of people view him as a great
>artist and musician. That spans across all cultures.



Nah...we good....U think Prince was just a neat songwriter....It's obvious u know very little about the man....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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120. "So I know nothing about Prince"
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because I said that songwriting is his greatest attribute?

Makes no sense... but whateva man

  

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124. "RE: So I know nothing about Prince"
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>because I said that songwriting is his greatest attribute?
>
>Makes no sense... but whateva man


I'm going to take the word of Prince's peers and heroes over yours, homie....

I mean....when everyone from Miles to Clapton to Stevie have praised Prince's musicianship then that's all that needs to be said.....

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127. "RE: So I know nothing about Prince"
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Prince’s songwriting has built careers for other artists.

Artists will say anything about each other so I take what they say with a grain of salt most of the time. It is just baffling that you seem to be downplaying Prince as a songwriter.

  

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141. "RE: So I know nothing about Prince"
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>Prince’s songwriting has built careers for other artists.
>
>Artists will say anything about each other so I take what they
>say with a grain of salt most of the time. It is just
>baffling that you seem to be downplaying Prince as a
>songwriter.


I'm not...Prince's songwriting prowess was epic...I'm just shocked that u continually downplay P's musicianship....

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144. "RE: Get off the crack my dude"
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>Here is where you guys are missing my point. Once again the
>argument is made that he can play all of these instruments
>better than everyone else.

No one made this argument^^^^ U did....

We have only said that Prince was world class in most of those instruments (guitar, bass, keys) and very good on some (drums)....And that's what separated him from his peers....

Here is a Twitter storm I posted inspired by this debate....Basically, underlines my point as to why some folks (usually the white Rockists) continue to downplay Prince's musicianship...

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PRINCE THREAD: With 45 doing his very best to piss on everything remotely decent, life still goes on. So I have to get into a debate I recently had about Prince and musicianship. (1)

So...I was on a well known music nerd site. And the subject of why Prince was such a big deal came up. Cool discussion. But then someone had to take it there and say that Prince was not world class when it came to instrumentation. (2)
This was nothing new of course. For years, I've dealt with so called "serious" music heads and rockist claiming that Prince was not on the level of say Clapton, Page, etc...(3)

But this time other names popped up: That Prince wasn't on Stevie Wonder's level as a keyboardist. That he wasn't a world class bassist like Jaco...Or Bootsy...Or Larry....Or that he wasn't the caliber of drummer as (fill in the blank...). (4)

Most of this is straw man bullshit. Who except the most Purple Kool-Aid drinkers would say that Prince was on Hendrix's level as a guitarist??? (5)

And then it hit me: Prince has always been punished because he was such an exceptional showman....Because he was so over the top with his image and sexuality. (6)

There are two boxes that Prince is thrown in. "The Magic Negro" box. And the "Song & Dance Man" box. (7)

To most Rockists, P's otherworldly musical gifts are met with a shrug because after all, in the tradition of Stevie Wonder, Hendrix and Aretha Franklin, etc....His "gifts" r natural. Can't be intellectual or hard work. He was born with it. (8)

The Song & Dance Man contingent r the folks who believe that P was just a passable guitarist, keyboardist, bassist, etc. Some one whose legacy was built on just songwriting and performing. (9)

To say otherwise would be to admit that Prince was the most gifted complete artist of his era (which he is). So it's easier to say that he was simply a great entertainer. (10)

The crazy part? When you talk to most musicians like Clapton, Questlove, Santana, Stevie, Esperanza, Dave Grohl, Bruce Springsteen, etc...they all have Tall Tale stories about Prince showing his ass on (pick an instrument). (11)

When it comes down to it, Prince's greatness wasn't that he was better than Hendrix. Or Jimmy Page. Or Bootsy (bass), or Clyde Stubblefield (drums) or Stevie (on keyboards). It's the fact that he could hold his own with ALL of those folks, often times with stunning results. (12)

But it's easier going through life thinking of Prince as a horny show pony. Because the opposite would be admitting that he was better/more complete than McCartney, Lennon, Joni M., Bowie, MJ, M. Gaye, James Brown...and yes Hendrix (Jimi is GOD on that ax...But Prince checked more boxes).

That's a scary thought, isn't it? (13-END)

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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165. "RE: Get off the crack my dude"
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>"Prince is better than everyone at everything and everyone knows it..."

>or something like that

This is not an argument I made... it was in response to this!!!! He is a very good guitar and bass player... better on these instruments than anything else that he plays.

Yes in the pop realm this will separate him from the musicians in his era only.




>No one made this argument^^^^ U did....
>
>We have only said that Prince was world class in most of those
>instruments (guitar, bass, keys) and very good on some
>(drums)....And that's what separated him from his peers....
>
>Here is a Twitter storm I posted inspired by this
>debate....Basically, underlines my point as to why some folks
>(usually the white Rockists) continue to downplay Prince's
>musicianship...
>

  

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112. "you should do a better job of posting then"
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you really just shrugged your shoulders at a dude who could play all those instruments not well, but at a high level, and OTHER MUSICIANS say it too

and yes fool, if you really listening he up there with the guitar greats

and lets not talk about his bass lines

have a seat bruv

  

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117. "Nah fool"
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He is not up there with those guys that I mentioned.

Let’s stick to the original point. The comment is made that he plays these instruments better than your “favorite” artist. That is not a fact. That’s the point I was making.

The argument or statement that is made when other artists say that he good on the instruments at a high level and I get that. It almost like in the Jordan era when everyone would say MJ was the best even though they all beat him as he was coming up. That’s neither here nor there though. In the realm of pop music he can be mentioned as one of the best artists in that realm only though can you make that claim.

  

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96. "you really HAD to be there...you just too young"
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it really boiled down to...EVERYBODY loved mike...and grew up with him..but the "cool" people were prince heads...im talkin 82-84...after p rain..sure everybody was on prince...too...

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145. "RE: you really HAD to be there...you just too young"
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ALLL OFFFF THISSSSS!!!!!!

I was such a Prince head back in the day, I REFUSED to see MJ's Victory Tour even with free tickets. Wasn't interested. PRINCE was EVERYTHING. When Purple Rain premiered, I saw it 3 or 4 times that day.

If you talk with any top drawer musician, they will tell you how bad he was. They know.

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114. "A combination of things"
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The time he came out, the craft, the work ethic,dude wrote most of his own music , played the instruments and wrote the songs and that's not even mentioning the collection of legendary musicians and other artists he was working with; the persona the enigmatic, mysterious dude with a revolving door of hot women he always surrounded himself with on and off the stage; the style of music; the blend of funk, rock and soul was always gonna unify different type of listeners. He vindicated Black rock fans everywhere ( The Track Bambi off Prince self titled was my first time hearing a Black dude doing rock without sounding out of place. That's from 1979. Mike was still doing funk joints and disco), dude would have sharp rock riffs and hard rock percussion beats on one song and then would have a righteous soul ballad on the next without making the album sound weird. On the ( White) mainstream tip , they couldn't ignore the fact he was a rock star through and through. Songs like You were Mine from Controversy were as much rock as anything from The Bangles or Bon Jovi The crime to me is that he didn't hit a number 1 album until Purple Rain . My opinion is that if Prince career ended by Sign O times , he'd still be one the most influential artists of his generation. Nothing is for everyone bu for me he was the alternative I needed when I decided to listen to a different type of music than my parents who preferred Michael Jackson who to me was too safe and lacked edge.

time is money, money is time
so i keep 7 o'clock in the bank and gain interest in the hour of God
I'm saving to buy my freedom, God, grant me wings, I'm too fly not to fly _ Saul Williams

  

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121. "thank you"
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I understand the music for the most part, I was looking for greater context regarding society

  

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123. "In that case, he gave us the "Parental Advisory" label as well"
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or rather, Tipper Gore hearing the lyrics to
"Darling Nikki" led to the PA label.

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128. "He was someone who embodied vulnerability and gave zero fucks"
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In a time (the Reagan/Bush 700 club Pat Robertson years) where fake morality was pushed in America, this little light skinned effeminate looking dude from an uncool city sang brazenly about eating pussy, fucking all night and did so over tracks that were funky and ready for the disco.

He came out in purple drawers, a perm and thigh high boots...everything about his artistry was a fuck you to what we were being sold by square ass main street America.

Did he morph as time moved on? Yes. Did he have his corny moments? Yes. Could he rap to save his life? Fuck no. But to the end, he remained defiantly brave in trying to find new ways to shape his sound and his shows. That's why folks ride for him.

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132. "I saw him play every instrument on stage except horns"
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It was one of his late night Paisley Park gigs... and I had seen Prince the showman in concert, which was mind blowing by itself, but nobody and I mean nobody I can think of, could literally bend songs for 20-25 minutes, keep you engaged and play every instrument on the stage. He effortlessly moved from electric guitar, to acoustic guitar, to bass guitar, to keyboards, to percussion, to drums all the while literally "remixing" songs on the fly with his live band.

To this day, 95 percent of artists, plays the song the way they were taught it, and their entire band plays it note for note, the same time every time. Prince comes along and plays every song slightly different, almost every time. I guess the only "big" artists that you may be able to experience this with are Badu, Lauryn Hill, The Roots....

Going to live shows just to hear the song played the same way it is on the album works for most fans.. but going to see Prince live in the day, you may hear a whole hour of songs that hadn't been released yet or reinterpreted covers of artists your parents listened to.

THIS to me is what the "big deal" is about Prince. Music has been so devalued and desaturated to the point that many people believe "I can do that."... kinda like DJing... the technology has folks believing they can be a star because most of what is promoted as popular is absolute shit and CAN be done by others. There is no one releasing music right now that can do what Prince was doing, no one... Which is why he still stands above the rest. All of the above, while making an oscar nominated movie, influencing the fashion world, making people reevaluate their sexual, religious, and social identities, and doing all of this as a black man? C'mon son? So yes, part of it is "nostalgia" but it is based on the understanding of the world in which he did it in which is a very different world than today.

... long I know, but wanted to give you my $.02

  

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133. "There was a guy from Pittsburgh who played horns for Prince"
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and in an interview he asked if he was nervous in practice because Prince could play all the instruments. “Well, he couldn’t play horns”

I saw him in Pittsburgh during the Alphabet Street tour. He played everything but the horns and even hit a 15 ft jump shot after dribbling through his legs 3 time in heels like on the Chappell’s Show.

That’s what made that skit so awesome. Prince actually had a regulation basketball hoop on his stage and hit jumpers during the show.

I mean... who does that?

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135. "LOL....nigga played a show and then hit an elbow jumper??? I love it!!"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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136. "bruh, he popped one from the elbow and then did a guitar solo"
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I was already a fan but that was next level shit



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138. "damn thats swag."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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139. "if it wasn't for the 80's then I'd say he was just a more talented versi..."
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of Lenny Kravtiz. to Me Prince was Great in the 80's and that was it.

average in the 70's, below average in the 00's til the end
and just kinda there in the 90's.

He ain't timeless like Michael Jackson on a whole or Stevie Wonder or marvin gaye IMO.

He did so much at one time
and then it all came and went. he stayed a better live act than anything
and got better however as a artist he fell off
and badly.

His musicianship was tight, however after the 80's he was a oldies but goodies act mainly.
folks kept waiting for him to return and in sadly so did he because lawd knows he tried every gimmick to comeback
and it just was never the same.

yeah had i not been there and just went off the last 25 years of his career i would have thought that aside from being more musical that he was about a tier above Lenny Kravtiz
and not much else.

he needed the early to mid 80's to secure his legacy.Ill give him his peak and prime
and he still wasn't touching Michael Jackson.

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142. "RE: if it wasn't for the 80's then I'd say he was just a more talented v..."
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>of Lenny Kravtiz. to Me Prince was Great in the 80's and
>that was it.


Man...I promised myself I would never get suckered in again....But this is some bullshit...lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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146. "besides the 80's when else was Prince Great? please do tell?"
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he was Punch line through the 90's

oldies but goodies act in the 00's onward

in the 70's a light to middleweight act.

Most folks around the way will tell you he was MIA from 88-16

aside from a being a Great Live act, nobody jocked his cornball albums.

the Black Album to many was his offical end.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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147. "if he only put out albums every 4 years...."
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he would’ve had great albums well into the 2000’s.

Reducing it to just “80s”....cmon. How about focusing on the amount of great material? Mike only put out TWO albums in the entire decade! Prince put out a great album damn near every year for awhile.

If you like Mike better, cool. But making it about longevity is ridiculous and doesn’t even make sense. Prince got as many “money tracks” as anybody.

  

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148. "Prince was shot after 87 and most say after 88"
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all the Purple Slurping needs to stop. should have would have and could have and even during his peak and Prime Little Richard who played a big role on Prince as a Artist and image maker made the remark about prince

Quote a Little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing.

Yeah Michael Jackson was Better than Prince and So was Rick James.


Michael Made two "Godfather" type of albums and had classics all during his career. in truth MJ never had to do another album after Thriller.

Prince was trying hard hard to recapture what he had in the 80's all during the 90's and part of the 00's. he was a great Live Act and a Hit and Miss Studio act past his Prime and Peak.

nobody was checking for no Prince albums that hard past 88. the Black Album was his Hope to re connect with R&B and it was never to be there again.

Babyface,Teddy Riley,etc.. moved down the highway as Prince was stuck trying to play catch up.

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150. "After like 8 good-great albums? Who cares?"
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Never mind the length of time, and focus on the amount of good music. It doesn’t matter that most of it came out in an 8 year period instead of a 20-30 year period. He was far more prolific in his prime than just about anyone else. Prince can go classic song for classic song or classic album for classic album with just about anybody.

  

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157. "8 good to great is all subjective"
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depends on what you view in your argument.

Prince was one of the most successful artists ever that is true, however I can say the same thing about alot of different acts.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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160. "Lol, “subjective”....yeah, go with that"
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149. "RE: besides the 80's when else was Prince Great? please do tell?"
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U keep saying the same bullshit...lol...It never changes...I'm not debating you over this....We all know that you are the mascot Prince troll....

Party on, dude....

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154. "RE: besides the 80's when else was Prince Great? please do tell?"
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like i said He had a run however it ain't like he had a stevie wonder run or hit that ball far and away like Michael jackson or was a dominant force with it like R.Kelly or hit the duet thing and solo versatility like Marvin Gaye.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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143. "Negro please"
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151. "after 88: Batman, GB, D&P, Gold, Symbol, TRC"
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dont be a ding dong

  

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152. "RE: after 88: Batman, GB, D&amp;amp;P, Gold, Symbol, TRC"
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>dont be a ding dong


Basically...

But those albums don't exist in Candyman's mind....

Candyman always talks about album sales, money hits and mattering....The irony is Prince from Batman to the Symbol album was on a commercial upswing....I mean, D&P was everywhere....All over radio....Huge tour....five million copies sold worldwide.

But all of a sudden, Candyman, who celebrates songs about sex in the kitchen and shit suddenly cares about critical art...Ha!

Fuck that dumb shit...lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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156. "lets see i'll start with Batman to Diamonds and pearls anmd onward"
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Batman after Lovesexy bombed dude over spent on that tour
and he knew and we all knew that a Sign of the times tour would have been the jump.

Lovesexy put him behind the red ball. and he was gonna actually take time off because him and warners weren't seeing no hits.

batman fell into his lap and lets be real even Chunky A could have been on that album and it would have sold.

that was a Pay off debt and get back in good graces project. Prince needed the bread and it worked and served its purpose.
smart business move. Money project and hits, however a no brainer.

Graffti bridge trying the Purple rain and parade/cherry Moon formula and it bombed. theives in the temple was a good song, however Prince was Pan Handling on that Broke Wanna Be Quincy Jones knockoff back on the Block Project. tevin Campbell Meets Michael jackson doind Soul to Soul?

Prince was chasing like a Dog for any and every Bone.

then Diamonds and pearls and he pandered hard for a hit there and it worked and he even Hired MJ's former manager Mafia Frank Delio for the muscle and prince had 5 top 40 hits. that was a hardcore attempt
at the loot and the respect again.

yeah he sold with a corny album,however Money don't matter 2 night was a cut. however Prince was desperate mood and trying to get back to the top.

Purple Kool aid drinkers act like Prince didn't like COmmerical success and all the perks and the good life.

Prince wanted his cake, the silverware, the napkins and the whole table to himself and yet wanted to be seen as the outsider looking in
and yet he wanted to be in front of that curtain as well.

then the Whole Symbol thing. Prince was trying One gimmick after another for a while.

P:rince is no different than any other successful artist because he wanted what he once had.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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174. "Man, I forgot how funny Maxxx was"
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>however Prince was Pan Handling on that Broke Wanna Be Quincy
>Jones knockoff back on the Block Project. tevin Campbell Meets
>Michael jackson doind Soul to Soul?


Agree or disagree, he used to crack me up.

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155. "he wasn't being sweated after 88 except the kool aid drinkers"
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even the people who played with him during his prime and peak hadn't paid much of his music much attention post 87. most folks will tell you Sign o the times" was the last solid boat ride and after that it was bumps and few glides.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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158. "wrong..Batman, DP, and GP went no.1..thanks for playing"
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159. "RE: wrong..Batman, DP, and GP went no.1..thanks for playing"
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He's the OKP version of a Trump voter...Facts don't mean shit...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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161. "RE: wrong..Batman, DP, and GP went no.1..thanks for playing"
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>He's the OKP version of a Trump voter...Facts don't mean
>shit...


that's why I said "ding dong" lol

  

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153. "Fuck off. Needs someone to explain songs like Controversy, Pop Life........"
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Someone please explain why Dirty Mind is a classic I don't get??? Get on that short yellow bus.

  

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162. "basically"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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168. "which one of you was this obsessed with me"
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https://twitter.com/nipsey/status/933719603573903360

anyway there's a vaulted New Years Eve 1987 show they just released

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_aAug_PpUM

and 63 unreleased songs drop tomorrow https://lnk.to/SOTT

P.S. I sat through the whole 70s-80s catalog right after initially making this post. I was never trolling or dissing the artist

  

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170. "Lmao.. they put you on blast. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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169. "*pulls up in this thread bumpin Girls & Boys*"
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I meaaaaaaan

«Convince me pizza is a great food; I get pepperoni and the chili flakes and the melted cheese, buuut»

I remember hearing Darling Nikki in my bed at night at 6-7 years old on my brothers Discman and headset and that shit changed everything. I even rode with Prince from there, through the Love Symbol album and Rave un2 etc

To me he’s the greatest just in terms of innovation, creativity and versatiliy. And thats because he ushered in the new era with the programmed drums and the synths and is the perfect bridge between the 20 years before 1980 and the 20+ years after., so thats sort of where I personally draw A line. Like, all music from early 80s on out belongs in category X while the preceeding decades are category Y

Prince was and is Pharrell and Andre 3000 and Stevie (and more)

  

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171. "I still don't fully get it. I refuse to place him above Stevie"
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But I appreciate him a lot more now.

Prince is maybe a top 20 artist of all time for me? Maybe 30? I'd have to list it out. For all the good shit he made, he made some unbearable shit too lol

I will say fan mixes (what up AllyAl!) helped me appreciate him a lot more than his albums...some of his albums are unlistenable

  

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172. "If you've put this much work and effort into listening and "
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digging into the Prince phenomenon, then however you feel is how you feel and there's not much else anyone can explain.

This is similar to how I feel about Dilla. I really like about 10 - 15 of his songs and am blah on all the rest. The way everyone here wailed when he died was just lost on me, apart from the loss of a young life itself. When I hear most of Dilla's songs I'm left with *Wack Flocka "oooKAAYYY"* gif.

  

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173. "WTFFFFFFFFFFF"
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175. "I'm in both of these lines"
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But I see you guys in those others lines and I'm happy for you.

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Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

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176. "delete this."
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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177. "It’s crazy.. "
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Only thing I agree with is Pooh poohing people who never rocked with him when he was alive and then jumping on the wagon and acting like he was a God after the fact.

My wife had a friend who never spoke on Dilla but after she started dating a DJ...
“Omg, have you heard Donuts”

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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178. "I stopped talking about it much on here years ago because"
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I accepted that this is "home territory" and a safe space for Dilla fans. But the same is true for Prince (whom I love), so I figured this would be the post the state it again after many years of not speaking on it.

  

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179. "I get the Dilla thing more than Prince"
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While I respect Dilla’s catalog I’ve heard way more people who love hip hop shrug at the Dilla stanning.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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