blue collar working class white guy brand identity.
strong bipartisan appeal among moderates.
close association with popular previous dem president.
nostalgia bait for boomers and silents.

and a black woman.

book it.

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If he wasn't grieving the death of his son, he would have run and won the presidency. He's got that firebrand approach built for sparring with Trumps style in a debate.

Crazy Joe is one of the few dems that has the resume, integrity, and fighter instinct that is needed to defeat trump and win votes on both sides.

>If he wasn't grieving the death of his son, he would have run
>and won the presidency.

Like, you think Joe Budden, after his long career and the outgoing VEEP of a very popular administration, didn't want to be president?


He didn't run because it was Hilary's turn, dog. Cmon.

You really think Biden, Booker,etc didn't want to be president in 2016?? How convenient for Hilary.


And, I think Biden would have won. Especially with the right VEEP pick.


As far as the OP goes, I'll say it again and again, we shouldn't be thinking about 2020 until 2018 has come and gone. That's one of the problems with Dems- they only ponder sh!t every four years.

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No way he leaves potential votes in the table.

>As far as the OP goes, I'll say it again and again, we
>shouldn't be thinking about 2020 until 2018 has come and gone.
> That's one of the problems with Dems- they only ponder sh!t
>every four years.

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My point is this is like the 3rd thread this year about
fantasy candidates in 2020.

On one hand I get it’s not that serious. On the other hand, I worry
folks in the party, casual voters,etc aren’t focused enough on 2018-
not only is that first, but I’d argue it might be more important.

And yeah, I get nervous the Dems don’t learn from
mistakes. Getting defensive about them definitely doesn’t
help.

2016 showed they didn’t learn from 2004, etc.

we tend to only come out every 4 years and expect things to change. then we get manhandled in off-year, special, and midterm elections.

but after everything ive seen so far...ive got a lot of optimism for 2018. i see tons of people who never even really cared about politics talking about the midterms now.

dem candidates are getting campaign volunteers and raising money like crazy. last midterms...44 dem candidates passed the $100k mark. this cycle...144 dems passed that mark (and most of them by large margins).

dem/activist energy on the ground is crazy right now. elections across the country on nov 7 were a testament to that. dems running and winning at every level of government even in historically red areas.

in the past...a flawed candidate, the donna brazile situation, and shitty weather on election day would have depressed dem turnout in an off-year va election. but dems stayed focused and went out and voted like republicans lol. i think we are finally showing party discipline and maturing across the board as a group.

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I honestly think Trump tapped into a vein of white supremacy that was too deep to beat.

I think there would have been a lot less “never Biden”
votes on the left AND in the middle.

The “not Hilary” sentiment, no matter how misguided,
had an impact no doubt.

Obama’s high approval numbers transfer much better
to his VEEP than to...I’ll just say Hil.

just by being man (attacks clearly dont stick like they do to women).

and biden would no doubt have won imo.

mostly because i believe hillary would have won without russian/wikileaks disinfo, comey, and bernie carrying his vendetta all the way up to the convention (treats biden noticeably different).

biden wouldve cleared those slim margins in the rust belt (except ohio) just based on the better margins he posts with white/older voters.

he might have carried fl, nc, and az too because of those same groups.

trump didnt really unlock any hidden white wave of votes like a lot of people believe. he actually got less of the voter share than mitt romney (even got less raw total votes than romney in wi too).

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there's a reason Joe's campaigns never went very far before. Maybe being a gaffe machine isn't a problem in the age of Trump (in fact, maybe it'd make him compare favorably -- like he's an everyman who doesn't make your skin crawl), but I'm not sure I wanna test it.

The bigger concern is, he'll be 77 by election day. If he won, and was reelected, he'd be 85 by the end of his second term. He doesn't seem that old when you see him nowadays, but give him a few years and I fear it might become a liability.

Connections to Obama will be powerful currency in 2020, though, I predict. Sadly, I can't really think of many people who have those connections other than Hillary and Biden. Dick Durbin doesn't sound promising. Susan Rice? Eric Holder? They seem far-feched. I dunno.

I think it'll be a clean-slate year. Someone young, vital, new. Like an Obama of the 2020s. Kamala still seems like the obvious choice for top of the ticket.

Julian Castro will be too inexperienced
Ash Carter and Jeh Johnson are too unknown
Sally Jewell would have been an interesting one, but alas was born in London
Ken Salazar would be like nominating Gephardt

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but side-by-side with trump (with a political record to run against now)...and given who we specifically need to target in the rust belt...i cant think of a better candidate.

age would normally be a factor as well. but hearing him in comparison...i dont think anyone would even care. he could die after getting sworn in. we just need him to win the election then the vp can take over lol.

i think the mood of voters will be more of a desire for a return to normalcy than a desire to vault ahead into the future. thats a favorable landscape for uncle joe. hes a physical reminder of 'what was'.

as far as kamala...i dont think a black woman...and cali liberal...can win at the top of the ticket in this environment. but vp would be a great chance to get her primed for a run in the future.

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It can't be someone who already has an extremely unfavorable reputation with a large subset of the population. Especially one where you can make their recent history look shady.

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I wasn't trying to say they were possibilities. Just examples of the fact that there aren't any plausible candidates in the Obama sphere other than Biden and Clinton.

You called it!

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thats their talking point.

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every chance they get.

-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

painted her as a slave to wall street and big pharma.
the usual.

she might be their 3rd favorite target under clinton and booker.

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i hope kamala harris is on the ticket in 2020 though, ideally as pres

Joe has whipped it out unsolicited at some point in his life.


>i hope kamala harris is on the ticket in 2020 though, ideally
>as pres


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

(with young girls)

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and there will definitely be accusations about biden groping somebody

hopefully it tanks him in the primaries if he does decide to run

Damn this is a horrible idea.

http://tinyurl.com/y8t9p5k7

that would've made it easier to prosecute perps of police brutality &
the white guy that effectively called Anita Hill a liar by voting to confirm SCJ Thomas??...Absolutely tf not!

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When Trump gets re-elected over that ticket don't cry about it in 2021 and blame Bernie Bros

SMH...you've learned nothing.

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Most momentum may be behind Gabbard tho.

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personal anti-abortion *and* anti-lgbtq views. pro-assad (went behind dems back to meet with him...and spread his propaganda when she returned), refused to criticize trump (even met with him immediately after inauguration to get a job in his administration), not supporting an assault weapons ban, trashed the iran deal, attacking obama for not saying 'radical islamic terror' (sound familiar?), introduced an anti-muslim visa waiver elimination bill, etc.

she is basically a conservative masquerading as a progressive (and a lot of progressives are gullible enough to fall for shit like that...as we saw during the election with cassandra fairbanks). she supported bernie and progressives automatically made her their queen without doing any background checks on where she actually stands on many issues.

the alt right loves her. bannon is a fan.

i mean...any time you get a public endorsement from david duke...
https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/801705517727023104

her approval rating is underwater with her own state party because of the stunts she pulled. she would never make it out of a national dem primary.

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Just saying they are lining her up for the spot, for reasons you stated and others.

I'm done with the Themoceatic party tho.

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She's not afraid to be a Democrat, but is absolved of all of their stink. Supported Bernie, military experience, supports single payer and free college, POC woman.

She checks off a lot of boxes, BUT she also wants campaign finance reform, so Dems will probably sabotage her, but maybe she bucks and goes indie.

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in all them red ass states in da electoral map


his vp aint winnin them folks over. people dont want da same old same old.


plus he old as shit


i mean Bidens cool, funny, all dat

but nah

i say this wit love. cuz yall gon fuck around and get a mfucka re-elected

if you can name another possible dem candidate more popular than those two then i would like hear it.

saying a national party dem is unpopular in red states is like saying pork is unpopular at a mosque. not sure what point you were trying to make there.

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gonna beat trump?

my point is its more americans then yall think that dont fuck wit Obama n dem like that

aint none of them mfuckas finna vote for HIS VP

some state polls were off. and so were exit polls (which is extremely suspicious since they basically just ask you who you just voted for).

either way...you still havent suggested any other candidates.

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dems win a few state seats and suddenly 2020 a wrap

we aint got it like that yet